@@via_negativa6183 no denying but people better than you does not mean your bad at the game lol, when only 1 percent of people are better than you then it means your DAMN good at the game
I used to agree with you as a player who goes back and forth between bushin and TK. I’ve since realized that players who reach a certain higher rank begin to understand just how high of a skill ceiling there is. Having said that though the numbers don’t lie. No matter how bad you might think you are if you’re in the top 10% of players worldwide then you’re good. Especially if your not a one and doner or a rage quitter
People often say "There are like 3,000 moves in Tekken you need to know" but something no one ever mentions is that there are like 60 or 70 different properties a move can possibly have (I started tracking this on a spreadsheet). Obvious things like "-14 on block" but also far less obvious things like "Beats sidestep left", "Forces crouch on block", "Breaks wall", "Delayable", "High crushes", "Catches quick roll right", "Regains health", "Gives oponent grey health", "Pushes left on block", "Lower disadvantage in heat", and on and on and on. The height of Tekken is knowing your own main's moves' properties inside and out in order to be able to make good choices, but also knowing enough about your opponent's options, and what they are likely to play given: - Where you both are in relation to a wall - How much health you both have - What moves you have both been playing - What kind of movement patterns you like - Oki defense behavior - How characters "should" be played - How the fight is adapting It's an absolutely *enormous* amount of information to have to command, but also you have to command it dynamically, second by second. You literally need to know *hundreds of thousands* of pieces of information. I have been playing Tekken for almost 30 years, and I will destroy most "normies" effortlessly, but as a Raijin I am humbled, A LOT. I used to think i was good, but now I know I am fairly average.
That is wild...what character you use? I mained jin first week of launch t8 is my first full online experience and I just use RUclips and do more player match. I'm on Tenryu making a bid for purple ranks!! I been playing online fighters since 2010 and I do it the old school way 😂😂
@@johnbob5137 that is because Jin is in the top 3 of carried characters in T8. I'm not saying that to be a jerk, it is just the objective truth. f,f+2 is the best long range engager in the game. d2 is the best low in the game. He has the best heat smash in the game. He is safe on 97% of his movelist. He has disgusting oki options. He has parries, he had unblockable setups at the wall in heat. And more. He has everything
@patrickmurphy3601 that's exactly why I asked...I know jin is op af...he got Hella tools...the fact that he been on tekken for all these years and he is only blue ranks can sound like he is using a very low teir bottom 5character or he doesn't do rank as much at all🤣🤣 I kid you not I feel if I play tekken for a whole month straight I could see my self reaching blue ranks within that time frame.
@@johnbob5137 I'm in what some people are calling "Blue Rank 2.0", which is, once you get to Kishin, your prowess is high enough that you could be slotted with Tekken Kings and Tekken Emperors. And these people are *serious*. The sweatiest players. You make one mistake in a match and they will take advantage and lock you down until it's over. And so a lot of people suddenly delevel hard and fall back down to Fujin or even purple ranks. And you have to climb back up, fighting Tekken Kings. And you can actually feel the difference in blue ranks too, from Fujin to Raijin to Kishin, to Bushin. Anyway to answer you I play Xiaoyu. A lot of people might laugh and say HYP is broken (only in heat tho) and AOP is broken (guess what, if AOP is that broken go take her for a spin and use AOP every 5 seconds- you're not going to survive)... but here's the deal: there are no Xiaoyus in top 16 tournament play, or actually even top 32. Also with Xiaoyu, you need to know (and use) her entire movelist. With the exception of HYP in heat, she has no easy, abusable buttons. Compare with Jin, Dragunov, Feng, Alisa, Law, King... you can abuse 4 moves with each of these characters, not in heat, and you can get to blue
There are different levels of good. You can't say that anyone who is not at a tournament level is not good. If you're blue ranks, you are good at tekken. If you gold ranks, you're great at Tekken.
Ngl playing ranked is my way of learning my match ups and my character. After I play some matches since Idk my matches up that well, I just rewatch my replays to learn punishes. It really does feel like I’m doing homework learning Tekken😂
Mike is a student of the Ricky Bobby school of commentary. “If you ain’t first, YOU’RE LAST” Tekken God rank is for excellent Tekken players. there IS a middle ground between bad and excellent.
If you're top 95% and up, you're good at the gane plain and simple. If u can beat the majority of the playerbase, you're good at the game. You don't need to know every single string, punish, duckable string to be considered good at the game. Mike is confusing good with pro level. Theres a difference between good, great, and professional.
There's a difference between being better than bad players and actually being good. The pro level is way off from being good, but good is a stretch away from being competent in my opinion. I think a lot of people are competent but because majority of the online world is populated by less than good players it gives the illusion that they're actually good when they're just "better". Obviously I don't mean this in an offensive or elitist way against people, it's just my perception of the game.
This would be a lot easier if everyone specified the parameters of what they considered would be good. Whether it's in comparison to how much they have to learn about the game in general, in comparison to players that have "mastered" the game, how often can they beat the "average" player, how well they're able to adapt based off of the experience gathered, etc. Each player could easily have a different answer based off of all of these and more
Yeah I agree, you've got the right mindset for tekken. For me I reached Tekken King, and then just put the game down again, I dunno, it might be something with how it doesn't feel like im really deserving the wins I'm getting, even though I win like 30 matches and lose 3, I streaked so hard, but its mostly to do with, in tekken 7 I really wanted to be pro, and I faced the reality of what level of effort and dedication that takes, and honestly, maybe a month or two months into that sentiment, I quit the game. It was just not worth it, it wasn't a good dream to pursue, and IMO, if you're touching god of destruction rank... and you're not trying to go pro... unless you really love tekken so much that its your favourite source of recreation, you should just quit and use the dedication and energy you figured out you have on a goal that really matters. if you're putting in your 100% to getting better in tekken, its rude to say, and I apologise honestly, but real talk, quit and put that all into making a business, or into chasing your dreams. You know? because you'll look back on tekken in 10 years and think, oh that was fun, maybe I should do that again sometimes... You won't think of something like a business, serious relationship or anything life changing you put all that energy into on the same level. you won't think, oh that business venture was fun, it'll have likely been your stepping stone to becoming who you are now, and you'll tell yourself it was the best choice of your life. No amount of tekken will ever make you feel that way. God bless you all, don't worry, it's never too late in life, I mean it, and whatever you wanna do, just make sure you dont regret it in the future.
Well said. I definitely have a similar experience to you. Few years ago I played T7 for the first time and fell in love with it. I basically lost my life to it for a few months wanting to get as good as possible. Long story short I quit abruptly and put the game away. I realized there are just more important things to be focusing on. I picked Tekken 7 back up again almost a year ago now, and then T8 when it came out. I've basically been a pretty dedicated/addicted player since. I love this game and lately I've gone to a few locals and competed in a recent tournament (managed to win 2 matches). It's been an eye opener to see just how high the skill ceiling is in this game, and to see just how dedicated and good some players are. I'm friends on steam with A GOD player who consistently wins tournaments in my area and is an absolute beast. Thing is, he is ALWAYS playing. Like always, whenever I login into steam, he's online and playing Tekken 8. He averages a little over 50 hours of play time each week, that's a full time job and more. Although I used to want to get really good at this game, similar to you, I just don't think I'll look back on it and be that satisfied. As a result I've taken the game less seriously lately and have been focusing on other things. Whenever I play I float between Raijin to Bushin rank, and if in a years time I only improve a little bit or am just the same skill level, I'm fine with that.
Yeah, I'm only figuring that out in my mid 20s. Life hits you hard sometimes and it's too short to spend that much time on a video game, unless you are 100% confident that you can go pro and make money off it. I'm not talking about playing a couple hours a day in your free time, but rather playing like 40 hours a week (which most people around GoD rank have done at some point). It's not physically or mentally healthy and can really take its toll on you. At the end of the day, taking games too seriously is almost never worth it. In my eyes if you reach Tekken King-Tekken God in this game, that means you're about at the peak of what a casual player can do in Tekken. I made it to Kishin with Steve without labbing a single matchup, only playing on intuition, learning through playing, and adapting to my matches. I know this can only take me a couple of ranks further, but I accept that as a casual.
Just because there people play better then you does not mean you are not good. By that logic there can only be one truly good tekken player in the world. What critera do you have on "being good" in tekken? Game knowledge? There is not a single soul in this world that have all matchups figured out. Or knows the entirety of frame data. Or doing perfect punish every time. Nobody can truly say, that they have nothing to improve. Does that mean, they are not good? And also, there are people that have giant baggage of matchup knowledge, but dont have execution to be GoD. They work as coaches for tekken pros. Are they good or bad players for their matchup knowledge but lower rank and why pros rely on their coaching? Or is it a certain top% of playerbase? Well, tekken godhood is quite up there. It is good to have mentality to keep yourself on path of improvement, not to get blinded by your achievments. But it is also bad to gaslight yourself into believing you are just average at best at tekken god rank and absolutely devalue yourself as a player
I gave a percentage in the video on required match up knowledge to be considered good at this game in my opinion and I gave several explanations that answer your other questions. I don't see it as devaluing myself. I see it as a means to get much better and because I have a strong mentality, I will.
@@RealMikeHollow well, even if someone will fully explore every single matchup for a character it is still around 5% of all matchups. I dont see anyone being able to learn and consistantly apply 50% of matchups
@@dronnovik95 a lot of people can and I'm almost there. Knowing how to fight 50% of the roster just means half the characters. It's not unbelievable to think people can do that.
reached Tekken King tonight as Asuka player. It was rough. Gonna take a big pause from ranked. Not sure if I wanna keep trying since it is my first Tekken and it took me 268 hours (I feel like I could have reached Tekken King earlier if I had more confidence to play ranked more often) to reach Tekken King. I think it's a great result for someone who wasn't familiar with fighting games but I feel like I am gonna spend my time getting better and closing my weak points in quick maches. My tekken prowess went from like 193k to 220+k and I know it's gonna be even harder from now on. I am beating some people from Tekken Emperor and sometimes from Tekken God in quick matches but I feel like it's still not enough yet to feel comfy in Tekken King but it makes me happy that I can finally rival people from these ranks. I once fought against Tekken King when I was Shinruy in ranked, lol now after all this time I am finally there. P.S. I really like Tekken King logo much more then Tekken Emperor. Tekken God is even better but I doubt I can reach it... at least now ^^'
I'm not interested in being good at Tekken like I do Street Fighter and other games but I'm way more interested in being in the way of someone caring more than I do about ranking up from ranking up lol. Running into those people back to back absolutely kills my sides even if I win or lose. Just knowing they are on the otherside going off like LTG gives me life.
What is strange about Tekken 8 ranked system is how compressed it is. There is almost no range between blue ranks and then there is almost no range between Tekken God ranks. One always just floats around up and down and if you can get Tekken God you surely can get GoD if you just grind enough to get that streak. In T7 TGO was way harder.
the dunning-kruger effect is a well established thing, no reason it shouldn't apply to games, especially something knowledge dense like tekken. however, something about the dunning kruger effect that's less commonly mentioned is that it's also true that experts diminish their own knowledge and skills in light of their ability to see even the tiny flaws. the popular graph you'd look at shows experts as valuing their skills lower than beginners for this reason. here's where the perspective-shift takes place though - where do we put the line of good, exactly? I think my definition would be as follows: how fast can you see something that you haven't seen before, come up with a plan around it, and then execute that new plan. I would define that as the skill of fighting games, in it's entirety. if you want something more wholistic, tekken stats places the peak of the majority between red and purple, so you are probably 'good' at tekken relative to the majority at mighty ruler. It's important to recognize that an assessment of skill is better done by positives, rather than negatives. Even the best players in the world have flaws - and flaws are relative to your opponent. if I was placing it, I would say raijin makes you good at tekken. Reason being is that, taking tekken's ranked system into account and the way ranking up works, fujin seems like a big wall for people. after all, if god of destruction is the line for being good at tekken, where is someone who's slightly better than that? who's great? who's incredible? there's definitely a wider margin in GoD, I don't even need to play there to know because all competetive games have that trend. Still though, I think something like the above ranks probably serves us better as a way to define players who have a decent game plan and are doing more in tekken than just pushing buttons and praying. there's also probably leeway in what rank you'd call 'good', since some people get up the ranks by just cheesing their way there while others are building the real skills. I'm in eliminator, and I've washed someone in mighty ruler (crazy that the game's handed me purple and blue rank players in ranked but) because I was finding ways around their moves all game while they weren't doing the same. I'm sure their gameplan works against a lot of people, but at that point you're just gambling with extra steps. Obviously I'm not at that rank yet, and that's because the majority of those people are still better than me. But it's a great anecdote for just how wide the skill gap is within ranks in this game.
Im a Flame Ruler almost battle ruler. And im proud of this rank. Now i definitely have a long way to go and i know i don't have the knowledge as someone whos mych higher. But feel im just decent. It just depends on who im fighting and how they play.
As someone in your same spot bro i feel you. Last night i just tweaked from my god promo to bushin. Bro im ass in comparison to those who i have to actively compete against. My locals has Ltrain, Dtownsking, KjStyles, Azurebokeh, flowgod....look you get the idea. And i feel the same exact way as you. The ceiling got higher. But we got this and we aint gonna stop cuz we saw what it was like to fight that level. I compare myself to THAT. Not to where im at with some online rank. But i know thats where they got better too, so back to the grind.
Personally I think youre selling yourself short but I 100% understand where you are coming from. Even if you are good at a game, not accepting youre good enough means youll keep playing to improve and get even better, and especially in a fighting game you can always be better.
Hey man i dont know if you read comments on older videos but I just reached Tekken King with Hwoarang and really struggle against Feng. Do you do open lobbies from time to time?
Prowess matchmaking just took away any meaning the ranks might have ever had. Im not a great player, but I've been playing for over 2 decades and I love playing with a lot of different characters. That got my prowess real high so I exclusively play Tekken Gods and up, even tho skills wise I might be around Bushin/Tekken King.
Real I have a 190k prowess as a fujins when most fujins are about 150k-170k just that extra 20k prowess made me go against tekken king/tekken emperors 2nd characters at best it changes the game since they most likely know how to actually play defense
I only wish I was a Feng main because of his style. Introducing him in Tekken 5 was a great decision. I digress, I know what I gotta work on to move up: mobility (sidestepping), punishes, and grab breaks (that may always be an issue for me; I know people will figure out their opponent's battle style and change up constantly whether they're mashing or spamming or legit using all the capabilities of their main).
Tekken 8 rank is weird man, ive met emperror and supreme players that cant even do backdash properly, and only spam moves that are busted. But i also meet many players from rank bushin - supreme that are super good at tekken fundamentally, their movements and reaction speed are amazing. Like its weird..., same ranks but totally different level. How are we supposed to meassure our own skill if the rank doesnt match the players?
for me if you wanna know if your decent or good enough try playing quick match many players there are just casual but it checks your knowledge on throw breaks, block awareness or frame data
What gets really infuriating about T8 is how cheaters can masquerade themselves amongst great players because we all know Tekken is a very hard fighting game. They can use that to gaslight the community into thinking its "extremely rare" to run into them. Victor is still a super not fun character to deal with in game design imo. And thats what put me off from the game lately. Its already hard enough now theres straight up cheaters thrown into the equation?
What if I played rank twice(3 hours total) hit mighty ruler, I only have 3 dads, my friend bit me once when I was 8, and I really like that crispy cheese on the top of baked Mac n cheese?
I feel like I've been going through that luck of the draw streak with my Eddie for the longest, I'm about to be in the rulers, and it's been easy sailing for the most part, But I know that my movement is subpar, and Jangding showed me how safe my character could be so there's still so much improvement.
I'm a 115k prowess Lidia main (used to be Paul --max Garyu) and I've been really trying to not let rank get to me and know that I'll get there in time, but it's hard to see progress. I don't want to move like a jet but feels like sometimes you don't see it. I've been doing deathmatches with this Shinryu Jin I met online, and it's been nice, but I can't beat him consistently yet. I'm just afraid of staying in orange forever. I do have lots of fun with Lidia more than I ever did with Paul, so my matches are a bit more enjoyable, but it is still so frustrating. My defense is 48 and I try to block more, but yea...I know its one of my big problems along with sidestepping. I still end up not holding back at the right times or I eat a stupid snake edge and I'm in a combo or my opponent sees me turtling so they just go at me. Rough stuff...
I agree with you, I reached Raijin rank with Dragunov. There is definitely a skill gap with each rank but the gap is a mixture of skills. Played against people that I can tell the lab my character like crazy and that’s the only reason they won. And more likely plays with a few characters. I also played against people that can adapt to my character on the fly. And only uses one character. I personally adapt on the fly. Some of the best fights I’ve had is fighting someone that adapts to a fight too.
I gotta say, Mike, you mentioned that people were scared of Feng Wei at some point in an earlier video, and that massively improved my play against Feng. I was one of those people that was scared and would play differently against him prior, and now I try to go into every fight confident I can win not matter the character. That makes me stick to my gameplan. Thanks for pointing that out, it's helped my mental game immensely 🙏
Time: 6:02 ok fair enough, but could you give me a little clarification. When you say "Your not that good" what's your definition of 'Good'? Would it be more accurate to say great or really good? Not arguing or baiting, just curious. Thx
@@ericwhite1942 What I mean is, the scope of Tekkens skill is so large than saying you're good is a bit too loose and to broad without outlining a few things. People on here have said that if you're in the top 5% of players online then you're advanced, so they're using numbers to measure their skill whereas I'm looking at what the game offers and how much I'm utilizing of that regardless of where I sit amongst everyone else. Just because I'm in the top percentile of players in the world on ranked doesn't mean I'm good if majority of people are bad. By that logic, I'd just be the best of a bad bunch. If all of us are mashing 333333 with Eddy, one of us is going to do better than the rest so in theory they'd sit at the top but are they actually good? I'd say you're good if you can cover more than half of the key systems effectively as well as more than half the roster, but not so good that you can consistently beat strong players. It's a little difficult to quantify because of the games scope.
I got to Mighty Ruler with Devil Jin like a week ago then straight into a long vacation away from Tekken 8. I can't keep going with the ranked for a while else my mind would explode. But ever since the defense update and Feng getting nerf, I think I prefer fighting Feng to Reina, Victor, Xiao Yu, Alisa or Lars because once they press then I can almost do nothing except block until they start doing dumb things. King? Don't even wanna discuss about the character at this point, some of the player saying just break the throw then you did break their throw but they can't break throw themselves (this is at least what I have been seeing and experience myself). I just think this game still favor offensive playstyle too much while the balance in offense is not yet well spread out
I don’t know why but like I recently like a week or two ago reached kishin with devil Jin and I just don’t feel like I deserve it. The more I think about it kishin is such a high rank and I just wish a real pro player sees my style and tells me if I’m actually worthy of that rank
im beginner rank! i never really played online but i wanted to see if i could increase my skill level. literally no matches at beginner. none. no matches at all. if i increase the threshold, i get pinned against people with 7x the amount of points i have that have one macro combo that takes 75% of my health that i dont know how to deal with. how do you even play this game???
This is always a fascinating conversation to me, because it’s always based on perspective. The less you know, the more impressive other players look, because you don’t know what you don’t know. The more you know, the higher the bar gets set for what is respectable play. I’ve been in martial artist and a musician, my whole life, and this perspective issue always comes up. It’s a world of difference between the jiujiteiro that celebrates passing their opponent’s guard, and the one that gets worried that it might be a trap lol. Just because there is so much further for you to go, does not mean that you are not on the higher end of the skill curve as it relates to the full spectrum of players, from absolute novice to professional. That being said, I’ll always appreciate someone having humility out of respect for the long road ahead of them, rather than ego trip over the miles behind them. It’s a good quality in a man, regardless of the discipline. Great video, as always, man ✌🏼
I hit Raijin and I play a match once a day and most I have won and I lost one time to ppl who are lower ranks. I think Raijin imo is a good rank but there are gaps in my skill and mental state. I don’t know what rank I want to reach since I really like raijin so maybe I’ll stick to quick match
My rank: Beginner my friends rank: Garyu I only play him so what you say about people knowing the way you play is a constant thing for me, there's a lot of backwards and forwards near losses/near wins when we play, If i were to play ranked I'd probably get Destroyer rank in a few days, I just don't want to waste my time going from win,win,win,win,win,loss to win,win,loss,win,loss and so on. I enjoy Tekken for what i've learned playing it over the past 10 years, I've been down that road with MK11 and placed 8th in Belong UK 2021 without ever being Elder God Rank, I know that it leads to a lot of stress and sleepless nights when your expected to constantly be at your best. put simply: ranks don't mean nothing, they're a shiny sticker to show your friends,family and people online.
hey mike, have you ever given your opinion on hit box/leverless controllers in a tournament setting and your stance on whether or not its fair and all that? i'd like to hear your thoughts on this. would make for an interesting video i think
3:18 Bro how do you know me so well? I got bodied and demoted from shinryu to eliminator and sold the game in anger. Bought it back, learnt it properly and now I’m Tenryu. Focusing on learning more than winning
I stopped at Mighty Ruler with my main Zafina. I got to close to ranking up to flame ruler like 10 times but I’ve since stopped playing the game. I would say I was pretty good at the game especially when considering I’ve been playing Tekken for years. Imo. If you ask me, Purple ranks is when you can call yourself good. Took forever to get to that rank. So that’s why I see it that way. But like you said, that’s just me.
If you quit, you are not good, sorry mate. Purple ranks doesn't mean you are good it means you have just started to scratch the surface of what tekken is, I go as far to think that all ranks below purple are basically not playing tekken at all.
@@via_negativa6183 you don’t get to decide that. It’s not like there’s a rule book to this that specifically says “if you quit, you suck” so stop acting like that’s how it is. I stopped playing because I felt like it. I’m not the type of guy to just play one game. I have other stuff to play and other stuff going on. So me not consciously deciding to not play for a bit means I sucked at the game and gave up? Yea…right…
Big disagree. This is my first Tekken and I got to purple ranks with just a little grind and dedication. I play the game super casually and managed to get there, that doesn't mean I'm good. Not when there are levels upon levels beyond what I've reached, both in terms of literal ranks and skill. Average =/= good.
It's my first Tekken and I'm Raijin now. Played about 550 hours, and I feel like I just started to learn how to play the game and see which mistakes I made at Fujin. Now at Raijin it seems like matchup knowledge and pattern recognition matter more than ever. I had 0 idea what I was doing when I was at purple tbh.
We understand that "good" is a very subjective term, and if you feel like you still have a lot to learn at Tekken God (which you obviously do) then that's fair. The problem is that Arslen Ash could come on and say he still has a lot to learn and he would be correct, this doesn't make Arslan an "ok" Tekken player. The problem Mike is that your argument is based on how you "feel" about your tekken performance, which, unfortunately, is completely irrelevant. The only thing that really matters for judging how good someone is are the numbers, for Arslan we have how many times he has won tournaments, so we objectively know he's a good player. For the average Tekken player we don't have tournaments, but we do have percentiles, and honestly being in the top 10% (~Raijin) or top 5% (~Tekken King) is pretty dam good, and most people from other types of sports would agree with these numbers. I'm not saying these types of players have mastered everything about their character and the game, maybe they haven't mastered anything at all (cuz they're an alias main) but the point is they have certainly put in the time and should receive some level of accolades for their grind. I think calling them good tekken players is fair, maybe you want to call people past Emporer "really good" perhaps we should call people past Supreme semi-pro, maybe none of these words mean anything. But the point is that you have the right to consider yourself or other players good if the numbers back it up and you do not have the right to pretend you are bad if the numbers suggest otherwise. The Tekken community has a lot of what I like to call "Reverse Elitism" where everyone good at Tekken pretends they suck at it, intentionally or unintentionally scareing new players away and making the game astronomically more toxic than with regular elitism. So it needs to stop, you cannot call yourself "Ok" at tekken if you are TG in the face of anyone but a better player than you, or you will, objectively" look like as ass hole, there is no avoiding that. So let's just tone it down and be respectful to those who are better than us, and those who are worse than us, because we have all put in the time and deserve different levels of praise, but no one deserves elitism and being shamed, directly or indirectly.
Why should someones individual progress effect how you feel about yourself? If he said he isn't good then that's his personal journey no matter how good he may be to us. Comparing yourself with others will only bring yourself down. You need to learn to enjoy the your personal process.
Completely disagree and if you're scared off at a game because of someone else's perspective on its skill ceiling then you probably shouldn't be playing video games all together, if I'm being honest. Arslan Ash would never say he's not good but he would probably say there's a ton of room for improvement which we hear pro players say all the time and it's true. With that logic, it's easy to understand why Tekken is so complex. I get why people think they're good and it's because they're using numbers to measure that rather than looking at the grand scheme of things. If you just base it on where people sit IN RANKED then you're going to start thinking youre good rather than thinking, "I'm better than these guys but that doesn't mean I'm good". There's much to be explored and understood on this game and it's not toxic to be aware of that and point it out. Nobodys pretending, it's just my opinion. I disagree with yours but I wouldn't say that you're pretending to be good. I just think you and a lot of other people over estimate yourselves and put too much stock in ranked.
I think this problem often stems from "Good", "Bad", etc are very imprecise terms and quite subjective and therefore people have very different ideas about what being good means better than the vast majority of players = good is something a lot of people think which isn't a bad one but many people also say knowing the game/sport/skill inside and out to near maximum level of depth is the threshold which also makes sense Skill is also something very very difficult to measure and tekken's ranked system is designed to intentionally have some level of inaccuracy as it's also designed to serve as a "fun" progression system. I'm at Kishin with my main(Lars) and I think I got a rank or 2 in me before I get stuck (could be wrong, only way to find out is to play more) but when people ask me do i think I'm good I tend to say something like "good-ish but nothing special" which I think is a fair assessment I personally think saying "everyone below Tekken god is bad" is a bit disingenuous and i don't think you can split players into good, bad and ok, it's a sliding scale. I think that when you say "X player/rank is good/bad" it's always worth specifying from which perspective. From the pov of the total tekken player-base and averages, you can say that I'm 'good' cause statistically I, and anyone at my rank or there about is more capable than the vast majority of the player-base but from the perspective of how good at the game it's possible to get, I'm not really all that good and neither are my fellow blue rank dwellers.
when you climb up that high up the ladder maybe its just kinda hard to release that like theres like 2.5 million people under you and they would probably not find it crazy to call you really good at tekken up there. (admittatly like half of them never bothered to learn to block and dropped the game after a week" but like there obviously alot perspective with the term because "good at tekken" can mean alot of things to alot of diffrent ranks. theres always someone above you
i mostly agree im in the blue ranks currently and i still get my ass handed to me i still have so much to learn with all these characters its all about your knowledge on the characters knowing when to punish and counter there is a lot to consider although if your better than like 90% of players it shows a lot but not enough when it comes to being good at tekken
From a casual point of view, you're wrong for the reasons people have mentioned in the other comments, from a competitors point of view (someone who wants to reach his limits on his Tekken journey) you're spot on. Tekken's ranks are something I hugely respect, they can truly show your current skill or problems. In games like SF6, KOF XV, GBVS or GG:Strive you can achieve the max rank (or floor lol) by grindding to a point that the max rank might not feel as special, in Tekken that's literally impossible to achieve if you don't keep improving at a steady pace, so you might find someone who is in a journey like you who just got to a yellow rank with 300 matches, or someone who is stuck in those ranks with 3000 matches. The skill ceiling is so high in Tekken that you can argue that being a Tekken God of Destruction does not even guarantee that you would do good on a competitive tournament
I’m a casual player, I just made Raijin without really trying. I have an unconventional skill, the more exciting the fight the more my skills come out the more boring the fight well, I lose.
I'm a scrub, and I can definitely agree that their are players who know how to play against Nina and they kinda just wipe me. Usually I can condition people into my setups but these players know exactly when to counter and cut off like half of my gameplan. At that point I actively try to play differently, but it only works 25% of the time I'd say. Usually will lose the set even if I steal one.
Ignoring definitions related to morality, I would say Mike's skill level in Tekken fits most definitions of the word GOOD. His experiences with previous Tekken, and other fighting games is a strange thing to bring up as it, in no way, change the definition of the word.
For the being “better” than 98% of the player base people means your “good” people. There is a difference between being a being in a top percentile of the proficient and being in the top percentile of the world in a specific forum(online ranked) that includes all levels of players . With the pool so vast, it is quite possible that the pool you faced to achieve a certain ranked: 1. Never included the best of the best 2. You lost to the best of the best but beat enough weak,average, slightly weaker than you , slightly better than you players to achieve it So I would say good, is someone who can always achieve the same outcome despite the variables. Which is typically the pro players that reach the highest rank with ease Not those who reached it once, from a few good and/or lucky (spread out) ranked sessions, and are sitting on the rank puffing their chest out about a 2% percentile , feeling like they are on equal footing with actually good players Loose it and get it back,Grab another character/secondary account and get it back in the same or quicker timeframe. If you can’t, you are not good…you are simply competent enough to capitalize on luck
I find that at different levels people play with a different style. Blues were hard to get through for me, because ppl are trying to think more, but also still have that yolo button mash early game panic tendency as well.
I’m hard stuck at bushin. Been spending the last month in quick match to learn match ups and avoid further knowledge checks from characters I rarely run into.
I agree with your definition of good because the skill ceiling is high. A lot of people are trying to say that being better than x% of people makes you good but that only makes you a better player but it doesn't mean you are good at said game. The reason I feel this way is because I Skateboard and being better than 90-95% of people who skate means that you probably won't lose a game of skate (like h-o-r-s-e for basketball but for skateboarding) at your local skatepark but it doesn't mean you are good. There is too much to learn to call yourself good just off of "being better than others" esp when a LARGE majority of those people haven't put in much time to practicing if at all.
I’m at god of destruction with Jin got my howrang and drag to tekken god and tekken king with kazuya I’ve practiced a lot but I think I’m average to slightly above average
Believe it or not, I think Feng is a very fun character to fight against, along with Leo, Steve, Reina, Paul, Bryan and Law. Those characters I always complete the set (against the others, depends on my mood). I´m a King player and currently between Battle Ruler and Fujin. I believe the blue ranks in T8 are like the red ranks in T7, and I´m at the point where I must learn more about the opponent´s character and try different stuff in order to get higher.
I honestly think that if you can't consider yourself good when you are better than 95% of players, that you are being slightly disrespectful to the 95% below you. Basically, just because you can still get better (even a lot better) doesn't mean you aren't already good at the game.
Youre right, you play at the level thats right at the precipice of where top level legacy players usually float about. The kind of players that have had top level players to spar with the entirety of their lives
Any comments on 6arikan being banned on both tekken 8 and mk1? That should make for a good video. Also took you long enough to get tekken god rank lol.
There’s literally a ghost system in game. “Battle against your opponents n find what you could’ve done better” NGL all I got from this video is “MFs are sensitive, n get mad over everything. Maybe I’m wrong, but jus seems like ppl needa stfu n go but ghost battle modes. Goku didn’t die 9 times for this type of thinking …
I think your rank speaks differently to each player. I’m fairly casual. I attend a local event when I can, but will never be an actual competitive player. Being able to move up in ranks tells me I am getting better. Getting better is all I care about. I’ll never be “good” at Tekken, just better than I was the week before. All that being said, I think the point system needs an overhaul.
As Kishin I am a good decent player (includes Bushin) Tk and TE are Really Great Players Experts Tg, Tgs and GoD are Top Best Pros I am aiming for Bushin But My final aim is TK As a Jun Main My Jin is Also a Tenryu Prowess is hell matchmaking I am like 186 000 Just my opinion
I don't know if Im good or bad what I can say is Im a work in Progress because this is my second Tekken game but the first time I really wanted to get good.I don't know if im good for one reason Im still figuring out new moves.I wish Kazuya or Lars had this problem or Jin maybe.
I got TGO in T7 on PS4 and TGP like 15 times on Steam during the end of T7. I cannot get past Tekken God in T8. I think it has to do with the amount of players we have now in T8. They’re are so many people playing so of course they’re going to be a lot more players that are better than you. In Tekken, the better you get, the higher ceiling gets. You can beat 19 guys out of 20 but when you do face that one guy who is completely better than you, you see how far back you are. I agree. Tekken God is dancing the line of being good at Tekken.
Ngl i agree to extent. But i think like a good player atleast someone whos purple is 1 willing to take defeats, learn and find ways around rather than blaming an unbalanced character. My mate got to fuj with Raven cuz nobody cares about the character or his match up so it was free W for him till then. Loads have an unintended exploit to carry the player. Alisa stance, nothing you can do to block chip and chip in tekken 8 is not balanced. Victor grab bug. Raven and Zafy nobody cares about so you lose if you know nothing. The list goes on. I love how people be like not listening to a feng main. Only people who play mediocre characters or Bryan/Jin/Kaz players cuz theyre "honest" get to be listened to.
I think the Tekken 8 rank system is a bit flawed. What I mean is, it's more beneficial to derank and then win the next promotion match, because you get a nice amount of buffer points, whenever you rank up. Not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, but there are a couple things I don't agree with in the rank system. In the upper ranks, you start losing more than you're gaining, which I don't think should work like that, but whatever. I don't really care that much about it, in all honesty. And yes, one of the reasons I main Reina is because she's hot. You got me there, Mike.
Me personally, I think you can START to consider yourself as decent when you hit Tekken King only because of how shambolic blue ranks can be for various reasons.
Once you got past the purple ranks in T7, you’d start to run into “real” players. These are the players that sidestep, have good movement, great whiff punish opportunities, punish things that aren’t just launch punishes, know matchups, etc. Idk when you run into these players in T8 because I I don’t play often lol. I’m still in Red ranks I think.
Tekken hardest game. Agree, being TG as well with too many failed TGS promos, i will only say im above average/intermediate. There are monsters in the high ranks that just have you second guessing whether you've even started learning the game lmao. Ceiling so damn high
@@Crimsongz when I say fighting games I mean ALL.... Like can a Tekken player respect a GOOD multiversus player? Can Storm or Xenoverse player tell a Soul Caliber player how good they are without the SC player feeling like the Zeno player overplayed their skills.
I might be overcomplicating this, but to say you ( not literally YOU) are good or bad at Tekken would be underselling the complexity of Tekken. You can be the best Eddy in the world, but lose whenever you get caught in a King grapple string. But you might also may destroy every Nina you see. People have strengths and weaknesses. On the other hand tho, I think being good lies in your understanding of Tekken and how to play. If you understand Tekken, then those perceived weaknesses will be easier to overcome. As opposed to a person who gets mixed, and instead of looking for punishes and labbing, they mash armor moves and get mixed even further. (Me, sometimes lol) But I also agree. Simply put? There are levels to this sh!t lol
Nah, you’re good at the game in the general sense. You may not be “super advanced” or “expert” etc but it sounds like as you’ve gotten better at the game you’ve realized how high the ceiling actually is compared to what you’re doing as a player. It’s a healthy mindset to have as a player to constantly see your inconsistencies, problems, and room for improvement. Then tie that to people you come across who are leagues better than you. But that doesn’t change the fact that you’re overall, yes, generally speaking you’re good at the game. And I’m not really pointing to rank here. If rank were removed entirely I’d still call you a generally good player. Again, not a raging savant, not a pro level player, not some advanced player, not some expert, but just a “generally good player”
I've beaten legit pro players in ranked, I think I have some credibility as a player. I've beaten Soul Calibur pro Kayane who was playing Xiaoyu, I've beaten Fergus (I'm sure he needs no introduction), and I was able to get 1 match off Chickenmaru (He was my toughest opponent), oh I also fought against KingJae and LMG MoB. This was all during ranked match.
i think this assessment is narrow minded and misleading. Alot of factors go into how well a player performs and ranks do not do a good job of accurately displaying that. Quite a few characters can net easy wins and be hard or even unfair to deal with (T8 Dragunov is a good example of this) Certain characters are inherently harder to play than others. (Kazuya is a prime example here). So having a fujin Nina is worlds apart from having a fujin kaz. The kazuya has to be in a different league just to compete in those ranks where as the nina can simply mash the same dumb stuff without a thought and do just fine. Regions also play a part in ranked progress. America is a much easier region to play in and this is backed up by the experience of a few pro players when comparing to say korean or middle eastern servers. a red rank in the states might only be a yellow ranker if they moved and started over the next day in korea for example. not to mention cheaters and boosters. their rank not only means nothing at all, but it also skews statistics and also diminishes the meaning of ranks for anyone who encounters them and takes their points. essentially another form of boosting. also some players sit at ranks they do not belong. i have known God level players who sat at green or red ranks with no intention of ever going back into ranked simply because they didnt enjoy the experience for whatever reason. and yet they consistently ran through lobies and mopped the floor with even the highest players that came in to challenge them. Ultimately the ranking system does an ok job at best when defining the skill of a player, but it is nowhere near perfect or accurate. so to take those rank labels and judge people on those solely without knowing anything about the individual is foolish and meaningless.
I play tekken 8 in the middle east region and compared to America, these guys are real monsters at the game. I play Raven well I did, Zafina main now and I get absolutely wrecked in the game. It's hard to play online especially trying to get my Zafina up to my rank of Battle Ruler where my Raven currently is right now. The players are stronger and have super strong movement. It's like a different tekken here.
Mike it’s tekken. You could tell someone happy birthday and they will say your comment has too many plus frames.
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Not only that but it tracks both right and left
😂😂ok this is the comment 😂
Not safe on block
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😂 * full arena standing ovation of clapping*
i still think being better than 98% of the player base makes you good at a game, just sayin.
being good, does not mean being perfect with punishes/movement etc.
Being better than 98 percent would make you better than good .
Did you think before you typed that? Because they would be bad compared to the 2% at the top. @@Shadowking117x
Yeah I agree with this.. Buuuuut there huge difference in this game being in the top 2 percent vs being in the top. 1 percent...
@@via_negativa6183 no denying but people better than you does not mean your bad at the game lol, when only 1 percent of people are better than you then it means your DAMN good at the game
I used to agree with you as a player who goes back and forth between bushin and TK. I’ve since realized that players who reach a certain higher rank begin to understand just how high of a skill ceiling there is. Having said that though the numbers don’t lie. No matter how bad you might think you are if you’re in the top 10% of players worldwide then you’re good. Especially if your not a one and doner or a rage quitter
People often say "There are like 3,000 moves in Tekken you need to know" but something no one ever mentions is that there are like 60 or 70 different properties a move can possibly have (I started tracking this on a spreadsheet). Obvious things like "-14 on block" but also far less obvious things like "Beats sidestep left", "Forces crouch on block", "Breaks wall", "Delayable", "High crushes", "Catches quick roll right", "Regains health", "Gives oponent grey health", "Pushes left on block", "Lower disadvantage in heat", and on and on and on.
The height of Tekken is knowing your own main's moves' properties inside and out in order to be able to make good choices, but also knowing enough about your opponent's options, and what they are likely to play given:
- Where you both are in relation to a wall
- How much health you both have
- What moves you have both been playing
- What kind of movement patterns you like
- Oki defense behavior
- How characters "should" be played
- How the fight is adapting
It's an absolutely *enormous* amount of information to have to command, but also you have to command it dynamically, second by second. You literally need to know *hundreds of thousands* of pieces of information.
I have been playing Tekken for almost 30 years, and I will destroy most "normies" effortlessly, but as a Raijin I am humbled, A LOT. I used to think i was good, but now I know I am fairly average.
That is wild...what character you use? I mained jin first week of launch t8 is my first full online experience and I just use RUclips and do more player match. I'm on Tenryu making a bid for purple ranks!! I been playing online fighters since 2010 and I do it the old school way 😂😂
@@johnbob5137 that is because Jin is in the top 3 of carried characters in T8. I'm not saying that to be a jerk, it is just the objective truth. f,f+2 is the best long range engager in the game. d2 is the best low in the game. He has the best heat smash in the game. He is safe on 97% of his movelist. He has disgusting oki options. He has parries, he had unblockable setups at the wall in heat. And more. He has everything
@patrickmurphy3601 that's exactly why I asked...I know jin is op af...he got Hella tools...the fact that he been on tekken for all these years and he is only blue ranks can sound like he is using a very low teir bottom 5character or he doesn't do rank as much at all🤣🤣
I kid you not I feel if I play tekken for a whole month straight I could see my self reaching blue ranks within that time frame.
@@johnbob5137 I'm in what some people are calling "Blue Rank 2.0", which is, once you get to Kishin, your prowess is high enough that you could be slotted with Tekken Kings and Tekken Emperors. And these people are *serious*. The sweatiest players. You make one mistake in a match and they will take advantage and lock you down until it's over.
And so a lot of people suddenly delevel hard and fall back down to Fujin or even purple ranks. And you have to climb back up, fighting Tekken Kings. And you can actually feel the difference in blue ranks too, from Fujin to Raijin to Kishin, to Bushin.
Anyway to answer you I play Xiaoyu. A lot of people might laugh and say HYP is broken (only in heat tho) and AOP is broken (guess what, if AOP is that broken go take her for a spin and use AOP every 5 seconds- you're not going to survive)... but here's the deal: there are no Xiaoyus in top 16 tournament play, or actually even top 32.
Also with Xiaoyu, you need to know (and use) her entire movelist. With the exception of HYP in heat, she has no easy, abusable buttons. Compare with Jin, Dragunov, Feng, Alisa, Law, King... you can abuse 4 moves with each of these characters, not in heat, and you can get to blue
There are different levels of good. You can't say that anyone who is not at a tournament level is not good. If you're blue ranks, you are good at tekken. If you gold ranks, you're great at Tekken.
Dude, your display pic almost made me throw my damn phone 😂🗿
Ngl playing ranked is my way of learning my match ups and my character. After I play some matches since Idk my matches up that well, I just rewatch my replays to learn punishes. It really does feel like I’m doing homework learning Tekken😂
Mike is a student of the Ricky Bobby school of commentary.
“If you ain’t first, YOU’RE LAST”
Tekken God rank is for excellent Tekken players. there IS a middle ground between bad and excellent.
That's how I've always seen things. There is no second place, just the first loser 😂
"I'm looking at you, Reina players"
What did he mean by that, reinabros?
I meant Reina players are always h*rny on the timeline and need to relax 😂
*crouches and does annoying kick*
@@citrusblast4372and gets caught by jabs 😢
Feng Wei Detected.Rank Rejected
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Damn straight
Wait feng is much better than Drag, Jin, Yoshi, Nina, Alisa?
@@jdizzle1779besides Nina you can turn your brain off with the other characters
If you're top 95% and up, you're good at the gane plain and simple. If u can beat the majority of the playerbase, you're good at the game. You don't need to know every single string, punish, duckable string to be considered good at the game. Mike is confusing good with pro level. Theres a difference between good, great, and professional.
There's a difference between being better than bad players and actually being good. The pro level is way off from being good, but good is a stretch away from being competent in my opinion. I think a lot of people are competent but because majority of the online world is populated by less than good players it gives the illusion that they're actually good when they're just "better". Obviously I don't mean this in an offensive or elitist way against people, it's just my perception of the game.
This would be a lot easier if everyone specified the parameters of what they considered would be good. Whether it's in comparison to how much they have to learn about the game in general, in comparison to players that have "mastered" the game, how often can they beat the "average" player, how well they're able to adapt based off of the experience gathered, etc. Each player could easily have a different answer based off of all of these and more
Yeah I agree, you've got the right mindset for tekken.
For me I reached Tekken King, and then just put the game down again, I dunno, it might be something with how it doesn't feel like im really deserving the wins I'm getting, even though I win like 30 matches and lose 3, I streaked so hard, but its mostly to do with, in tekken 7 I really wanted to be pro, and I faced the reality of what level of effort and dedication that takes, and honestly, maybe a month or two months into that sentiment, I quit the game. It was just not worth it, it wasn't a good dream to pursue, and IMO, if you're touching god of destruction rank... and you're not trying to go pro... unless you really love tekken so much that its your favourite source of recreation, you should just quit and use the dedication and energy you figured out you have on a goal that really matters. if you're putting in your 100% to getting better in tekken, its rude to say, and I apologise honestly, but real talk, quit and put that all into making a business, or into chasing your dreams. You know? because you'll look back on tekken in 10 years and think, oh that was fun, maybe I should do that again sometimes... You won't think of something like a business, serious relationship or anything life changing you put all that energy into on the same level. you won't think, oh that business venture was fun, it'll have likely been your stepping stone to becoming who you are now, and you'll tell yourself it was the best choice of your life.
No amount of tekken will ever make you feel that way.
God bless you all, don't worry, it's never too late in life, I mean it, and whatever you wanna do, just make sure you dont regret it in the future.
Well said. I definitely have a similar experience to you.
Few years ago I played T7 for the first time and fell in love with it. I basically lost my life to it for a few months wanting to get as good as possible. Long story short I quit abruptly and put the game away. I realized there are just more important things to be focusing on.
I picked Tekken 7 back up again almost a year ago now, and then T8 when it came out. I've basically been a pretty dedicated/addicted player since.
I love this game and lately I've gone to a few locals and competed in a recent tournament (managed to win 2 matches). It's been an eye opener to see just how high the skill ceiling is in this game, and to see just how dedicated and good some players are. I'm friends on steam with A GOD player who consistently wins tournaments in my area and is an absolute beast. Thing is, he is ALWAYS playing. Like always, whenever I login into steam, he's online and playing Tekken 8. He averages a little over 50 hours of play time each week, that's a full time job and more.
Although I used to want to get really good at this game, similar to you, I just don't think I'll look back on it and be that satisfied. As a result I've taken the game less seriously lately and have been focusing on other things.
Whenever I play I float between Raijin to Bushin rank, and if in a years time I only improve a little bit or am just the same skill level, I'm fine with that.
Yeah, I'm only figuring that out in my mid 20s. Life hits you hard sometimes and it's too short to spend that much time on a video game, unless you are 100% confident that you can go pro and make money off it. I'm not talking about playing a couple hours a day in your free time, but rather playing like 40 hours a week (which most people around GoD rank have done at some point). It's not physically or mentally healthy and can really take its toll on you.
At the end of the day, taking games too seriously is almost never worth it. In my eyes if you reach Tekken King-Tekken God in this game, that means you're about at the peak of what a casual player can do in Tekken. I made it to Kishin with Steve without labbing a single matchup, only playing on intuition, learning through playing, and adapting to my matches. I know this can only take me a couple of ranks further, but I accept that as a casual.
I’m not listening to a feng main
Who do u play?
@@PamPamO lee
But he’s says he admits to being carried by Feng
Still clicked the video lol
Sounds like someone lost promotion matches to Feng 🙃
Just because there people play better then you does not mean you are not good. By that logic there can only be one truly good tekken player in the world.
What critera do you have on "being good" in tekken? Game knowledge? There is not a single soul in this world that have all matchups figured out. Or knows the entirety of frame data. Or doing perfect punish every time. Nobody can truly say, that they have nothing to improve. Does that mean, they are not good? And also, there are people that have giant baggage of matchup knowledge, but dont have execution to be GoD. They work as coaches for tekken pros. Are they good or bad players for their matchup knowledge but lower rank and why pros rely on their coaching?
Or is it a certain top% of playerbase? Well, tekken godhood is quite up there.
It is good to have mentality to keep yourself on path of improvement, not to get blinded by your achievments. But it is also bad to gaslight yourself into believing you are just average at best at tekken god rank and absolutely devalue yourself as a player
I gave a percentage in the video on required match up knowledge to be considered good at this game in my opinion and I gave several explanations that answer your other questions.
I don't see it as devaluing myself. I see it as a means to get much better and because I have a strong mentality, I will.
@@RealMikeHollow well, even if someone will fully explore every single matchup for a character it is still around 5% of all matchups. I dont see anyone being able to learn and consistantly apply 50% of matchups
@@dronnovik95 a lot of people can and I'm almost there. Knowing how to fight 50% of the roster just means half the characters. It's not unbelievable to think people can do that.
reached Tekken King tonight as Asuka player. It was rough. Gonna take a big pause from ranked. Not sure if I wanna keep trying since it is my first Tekken and it took me 268 hours (I feel like I could have reached Tekken King earlier if I had more confidence to play ranked more often) to reach Tekken King. I think it's a great result for someone who wasn't familiar with fighting games but I feel like I am gonna spend my time getting better and closing my weak points in quick maches. My tekken prowess went from like 193k to 220+k and I know it's gonna be even harder from now on. I am beating some people from Tekken Emperor and sometimes from Tekken God in quick matches but I feel like it's still not enough yet to feel comfy in Tekken King but it makes me happy that I can finally rival people from these ranks. I once fought against Tekken King when I was Shinruy in ranked, lol now after all this time I am finally there.
P.S. I really like Tekken King logo much more then Tekken Emperor. Tekken God is even better but I doubt I can reach it... at least now ^^'
I'm not interested in being good at Tekken like I do Street Fighter and other games but I'm way more interested in being in the way of someone caring more than I do about ranking up from ranking up lol.
Running into those people back to back absolutely kills my sides even if I win or lose. Just knowing they are on the otherside going off like LTG gives me life.
Bit of an assumption to make. I don't think anyone goes off like LTG 😂
What is strange about Tekken 8 ranked system is how compressed it is. There is almost no range between blue ranks and then there is almost no range between Tekken God ranks. One always just floats around up and down and if you can get Tekken God you surely can get GoD if you just grind enough to get that streak. In T7 TGO was way harder.
the dunning-kruger effect is a well established thing, no reason it shouldn't apply to games, especially something knowledge dense like tekken. however, something about the dunning kruger effect that's less commonly mentioned is that it's also true that experts diminish their own knowledge and skills in light of their ability to see even the tiny flaws. the popular graph you'd look at shows experts as valuing their skills lower than beginners for this reason.
here's where the perspective-shift takes place though - where do we put the line of good, exactly? I think my definition would be as follows:
how fast can you see something that you haven't seen before, come up with a plan around it, and then execute that new plan. I would define that as the skill of fighting games, in it's entirety.
if you want something more wholistic, tekken stats places the peak of the majority between red and purple, so you are probably 'good' at tekken relative to the majority at mighty ruler. It's important to recognize that an assessment of skill is better done by positives, rather than negatives. Even the best players in the world have flaws - and flaws are relative to your opponent. if I was placing it, I would say raijin makes you good at tekken. Reason being is that, taking tekken's ranked system into account and the way ranking up works, fujin seems like a big wall for people.
after all, if god of destruction is the line for being good at tekken, where is someone who's slightly better than that? who's great? who's incredible?
there's definitely a wider margin in GoD, I don't even need to play there to know because all competetive games have that trend. Still though, I think something like the above ranks probably serves us better as a way to define players who have a decent game plan and are doing more in tekken than just pushing buttons and praying.
there's also probably leeway in what rank you'd call 'good', since some people get up the ranks by just cheesing their way there while others are building the real skills. I'm in eliminator, and I've washed someone in mighty ruler (crazy that the game's handed me purple and blue rank players in ranked but) because I was finding ways around their moves all game while they weren't doing the same. I'm sure their gameplan works against a lot of people, but at that point you're just gambling with extra steps. Obviously I'm not at that rank yet, and that's because the majority of those people are still better than me. But it's a great anecdote for just how wide the skill gap is within ranks in this game.
Im a Flame Ruler almost battle ruler. And im proud of this rank. Now i definitely have a long way to go and i know i don't have the knowledge as someone whos mych higher. But feel im just decent. It just depends on who im fighting and how they play.
As someone in your same spot bro i feel you. Last night i just tweaked from my god promo to bushin.
Bro im ass in comparison to those who i have to actively compete against. My locals has Ltrain, Dtownsking, KjStyles, Azurebokeh, flowgod....look you get the idea. And i feel the same exact way as you. The ceiling got higher. But we got this and we aint gonna stop cuz we saw what it was like to fight that level.
I compare myself to THAT. Not to where im at with some online rank. But i know thats where they got better too, so back to the grind.
Personally I think youre selling yourself short but I 100% understand where you are coming from. Even if you are good at a game, not accepting youre good enough means youll keep playing to improve and get even better, and especially in a fighting game you can always be better.
Hey man i dont know if you read comments on older videos but I just reached Tekken King with Hwoarang and really struggle against Feng. Do you do open lobbies from time to time?
@@BlueRose28975 hey bro. There will be a stream today in the next hour or so where I'll have an open lobby for everyone.
@@RealMikeHollow Awesome how long for roughly
I tend to have tight schedules but I might be able to check it out
I usually stream for like 8 hours on Sunday with the community.
Prowess matchmaking just took away any meaning the ranks might have ever had. Im not a great player, but I've been playing for over 2 decades and I love playing with a lot of different characters. That got my prowess real high so I exclusively play Tekken Gods and up, even tho skills wise I might be around Bushin/Tekken King.
Real I have a 190k prowess as a fujins when most fujins are about 150k-170k just that extra 20k prowess made me go against tekken king/tekken emperors 2nd characters at best it changes the game since they most likely know how to actually play defense
@@DylenizI only play Hwo and a Ganryu Drag and I'm 185k in fujin. With 159k usually you are in purpples.
I only wish I was a Feng main because of his style. Introducing him in Tekken 5 was a great decision. I digress, I know what I gotta work on to move up: mobility (sidestepping), punishes, and grab breaks (that may always be an issue for me; I know people will figure out their opponent's battle style and change up constantly whether they're mashing or spamming or legit using all the capabilities of their main).
Tekken 8 rank is weird man, ive met emperror and supreme players that cant even do backdash properly, and only spam moves that are busted. But i also meet many players from rank bushin - supreme that are super good at tekken fundamentally, their movements and reaction speed are amazing.
Like its weird..., same ranks but totally different level. How are we supposed to meassure our own skill if the rank doesnt match the players?
for me if you wanna know if your decent or good enough try playing quick match many players there are just casual but it checks your knowledge on throw breaks, block awareness or frame data
What gets really infuriating about T8 is how cheaters can masquerade themselves amongst great players because we all know Tekken is a very hard fighting game. They can use that to gaslight the community into thinking its "extremely rare" to run into them. Victor is still a super not fun character to deal with in game design imo.
And thats what put me off from the game lately.
Its already hard enough now theres straight up cheaters thrown into the equation?
What if I played rank twice(3 hours total) hit mighty ruler, I only have 3 dads, my friend bit me once when I was 8, and I really like that crispy cheese on the top of baked Mac n cheese?
THE FUCKING TRUTH BROTHER.
You may have a spot in The Wyatt Sicks, brother.
How I view rank is once you get to Tekken Emperor, it just tells you how many hours you spent on ranked. That's how see it at least,
I feel like I've been going through that luck of the draw streak with my Eddie for the longest, I'm about to be in the rulers, and it's been easy sailing for the most part, But I know that my movement is subpar, and Jangding showed me how safe my character could be so there's still so much improvement.
I'm a 115k prowess Lidia main (used to be Paul --max Garyu) and I've been really trying to not let rank get to me and know that I'll get there in time, but it's hard to see progress. I don't want to move like a jet but feels like sometimes you don't see it.
I've been doing deathmatches with this Shinryu Jin I met online, and it's been nice, but I can't beat him consistently yet. I'm just afraid of staying in orange forever. I do have lots of fun with Lidia more than I ever did with Paul, so my matches are a bit more enjoyable, but it is still so frustrating.
My defense is 48 and I try to block more, but yea...I know its one of my big problems along with sidestepping. I still end up not holding back at the right times or I eat a stupid snake edge and I'm in a combo or my opponent sees me turtling so they just go at me. Rough stuff...
I agree with you, I reached Raijin rank with Dragunov. There is definitely a skill gap with each rank but the gap is a mixture of skills.
Played against people that I can tell the lab my character like crazy and that’s the only reason they won. And more likely plays with a few characters.
I also played against people that can adapt to my character on the fly. And only uses one character.
I personally adapt on the fly.
Some of the best fights I’ve had is fighting someone that adapts to a fight too.
If your mad at what mike said. You should channel that anger like sasuke and use it to get stronger….
I gotta say, Mike, you mentioned that people were scared of Feng Wei at some point in an earlier video, and that massively improved my play against Feng.
I was one of those people that was scared and would play differently against him prior, and now I try to go into every fight confident I can win not matter the character. That makes me stick to my gameplan. Thanks for pointing that out, it's helped my mental game immensely 🙏
No problem, brother. Happy to help ☝🏾
Time: 6:02 ok fair enough, but could you give me a little clarification. When you say "Your not that good" what's your definition of 'Good'? Would it be more accurate to say great or really good? Not arguing or baiting, just curious. Thx
@@ericwhite1942 What I mean is, the scope of Tekkens skill is so large than saying you're good is a bit too loose and to broad without outlining a few things. People on here have said that if you're in the top 5% of players online then you're advanced, so they're using numbers to measure their skill whereas I'm looking at what the game offers and how much I'm utilizing of that regardless of where I sit amongst everyone else. Just because I'm in the top percentile of players in the world on ranked doesn't mean I'm good if majority of people are bad. By that logic, I'd just be the best of a bad bunch. If all of us are mashing 333333 with Eddy, one of us is going to do better than the rest so in theory they'd sit at the top but are they actually good?
I'd say you're good if you can cover more than half of the key systems effectively as well as more than half the roster, but not so good that you can consistently beat strong players. It's a little difficult to quantify because of the games scope.
I got to Mighty Ruler with Devil Jin like a week ago then straight into a long vacation away from Tekken 8. I can't keep going with the ranked for a while else my mind would explode. But ever since the defense update and Feng getting nerf, I think I prefer fighting Feng to Reina, Victor, Xiao Yu, Alisa or Lars because once they press then I can almost do nothing except block until they start doing dumb things. King? Don't even wanna discuss about the character at this point, some of the player saying just break the throw then you did break their throw but they can't break throw themselves (this is at least what I have been seeing and experience myself). I just think this game still favor offensive playstyle too much while the balance in offense is not yet well spread out
Yep that thumbnail sums up just about everything I feel about the game.
I don’t know why but like I recently like a week or two ago reached kishin with devil Jin and I just don’t feel like I deserve it. The more I think about it kishin is such a high rank and I just wish a real pro player sees my style and tells me if I’m actually worthy of that rank
Keep fighting and you'll find out soon if you're meant to be up there or if you're gonna be getting sent back. Either way, well done ☝🏾
im beginner rank! i never really played online but i wanted to see if i could increase my skill level. literally no matches at beginner. none. no matches at all. if i increase the threshold, i get pinned against people with 7x the amount of points i have that have one macro combo that takes 75% of my health that i dont know how to deal with.
how do you even play this game???
This is always a fascinating conversation to me, because it’s always based on perspective. The less you know, the more impressive other players look, because you don’t know what you don’t know. The more you know, the higher the bar gets set for what is respectable play. I’ve been in martial artist and a musician, my whole life, and this perspective issue always comes up. It’s a world of difference between the jiujiteiro that celebrates passing their opponent’s guard, and the one that gets worried that it might be a trap lol. Just because there is so much further for you to go, does not mean that you are not on the higher end of the skill curve as it relates to the full spectrum of players, from absolute novice to professional. That being said, I’ll always appreciate someone having humility out of respect for the long road ahead of them, rather than ego trip over the miles behind them. It’s a good quality in a man, regardless of the discipline. Great video, as always, man ✌🏼
what are tekken emperor law doing on a minus moves with no optimal combo along the match lmaoo
Probably got to Emperor at the beginning of the games life span and then never played ranked again.
I hit Raijin and I play a match once a day and most I have won and I lost one time to ppl who are lower ranks. I think Raijin imo is a good rank but there are gaps in my skill and mental state. I don’t know what rank I want to reach since I really like raijin so maybe I’ll stick to quick match
My rank: Beginner
my friends rank: Garyu
I only play him so what you say about people knowing the way you play is a constant thing for me, there's a lot of backwards and forwards near losses/near wins when we play, If i were to play ranked I'd probably get Destroyer rank in a few days, I just don't want to waste my time going from win,win,win,win,win,loss to win,win,loss,win,loss and so on. I enjoy Tekken for what i've learned playing it over the past 10 years, I've been down that road with MK11 and placed 8th in Belong UK 2021 without ever being Elder God Rank, I know that it leads to a lot of stress and sleepless nights when your expected to constantly be at your best.
put simply: ranks don't mean nothing, they're a shiny sticker to show your friends,family and people online.
8:05 I'm glad you mentioned that because this is something I'm seeing in this gameplay and is kinda triggering me😅
Your take on your progress is realistic and I agree.
hey mike, have you ever given your opinion on hit box/leverless controllers in a tournament setting and your stance on whether or not its fair and all that? i'd like to hear your thoughts on this. would make for an interesting video i think
I may have done before but I can always revisit it and do it again ☝🏾
@@RealMikeHollow thanks for considering
3:18 Bro how do you know me so well? I got bodied and demoted from shinryu to eliminator and sold the game in anger. Bought it back, learnt it properly and now I’m Tenryu. Focusing on learning more than winning
Well done for coming back ☝🏾
I stopped at Mighty Ruler with my main Zafina. I got to close to ranking up to flame ruler like 10 times but I’ve since stopped playing the game. I would say I was pretty good at the game especially when considering I’ve been playing Tekken for years. Imo.
If you ask me, Purple ranks is when you can call yourself good. Took forever to get to that rank. So that’s why I see it that way. But like you said, that’s just me.
If you quit, you are not good, sorry mate. Purple ranks doesn't mean you are good it means you have just started to scratch the surface of what tekken is, I go as far to think that all ranks below purple are basically not playing tekken at all.
@@via_negativa6183 you don’t get to decide that. It’s not like there’s a rule book to this that specifically says “if you quit, you suck” so stop acting like that’s how it is. I stopped playing because I felt like it. I’m not the type of guy to just play one game. I have other stuff to play and other stuff going on. So me not consciously deciding to not play for a bit means I sucked at the game and gave up?
Yea…right…
@@via_negativa6183 that's a super weird take, stopping doing something doesn't change the skill level you had when you were doing it.
Big disagree. This is my first Tekken and I got to purple ranks with just a little grind and dedication. I play the game super casually and managed to get there, that doesn't mean I'm good. Not when there are levels upon levels beyond what I've reached, both in terms of literal ranks and skill. Average =/= good.
It's my first Tekken and I'm Raijin now. Played about 550 hours, and I feel like I just started to learn how to play the game and see which mistakes I made at Fujin. Now at Raijin it seems like matchup knowledge and pattern recognition matter more than ever. I had 0 idea what I was doing when I was at purple tbh.
I was trash when I first started Tekken but I can confidently say after completing my grueling training arc I'm still trash at the game.
A real one 😂😂😂
We understand that "good" is a very subjective term, and if you feel like you still have a lot to learn at Tekken God (which you obviously do) then that's fair. The problem is that Arslen Ash could come on and say he still has a lot to learn and he would be correct, this doesn't make Arslan an "ok" Tekken player. The problem Mike is that your argument is based on how you "feel" about your tekken performance, which, unfortunately, is completely irrelevant. The only thing that really matters for judging how good someone is are the numbers, for Arslan we have how many times he has won tournaments, so we objectively know he's a good player. For the average Tekken player we don't have tournaments, but we do have percentiles, and honestly being in the top 10% (~Raijin) or top 5% (~Tekken King) is pretty dam good, and most people from other types of sports would agree with these numbers. I'm not saying these types of players have mastered everything about their character and the game, maybe they haven't mastered anything at all (cuz they're an alias main) but the point is they have certainly put in the time and should receive some level of accolades for their grind. I think calling them good tekken players is fair, maybe you want to call people past Emporer "really good" perhaps we should call people past Supreme semi-pro, maybe none of these words mean anything. But the point is that you have the right to consider yourself or other players good if the numbers back it up and you do not have the right to pretend you are bad if the numbers suggest otherwise. The Tekken community has a lot of what I like to call "Reverse Elitism" where everyone good at Tekken pretends they suck at it, intentionally or unintentionally scareing new players away and making the game astronomically more toxic than with regular elitism. So it needs to stop, you cannot call yourself "Ok" at tekken if you are TG in the face of anyone but a better player than you, or you will, objectively" look like as ass hole, there is no avoiding that. So let's just tone it down and be respectful to those who are better than us, and those who are worse than us, because we have all put in the time and deserve different levels of praise, but no one deserves elitism and being shamed, directly or indirectly.
Why should someones individual progress effect how you feel about yourself? If he said he isn't good then that's his personal journey no matter how good he may be to us. Comparing yourself with others will only bring yourself down. You need to learn to enjoy the your personal process.
Completely disagree and if you're scared off at a game because of someone else's perspective on its skill ceiling then you probably shouldn't be playing video games all together, if I'm being honest. Arslan Ash would never say he's not good but he would probably say there's a ton of room for improvement which we hear pro players say all the time and it's true. With that logic, it's easy to understand why Tekken is so complex. I get why people think they're good and it's because they're using numbers to measure that rather than looking at the grand scheme of things. If you just base it on where people sit IN RANKED then you're going to start thinking youre good rather than thinking, "I'm better than these guys but that doesn't mean I'm good". There's much to be explored and understood on this game and it's not toxic to be aware of that and point it out. Nobodys pretending, it's just my opinion. I disagree with yours but I wouldn't say that you're pretending to be good. I just think you and a lot of other people over estimate yourselves and put too much stock in ranked.
this was a reality check, you can be fujin rank and beat TK players. Skill varies but def helps to stay grounded as you climb for sure
Plot twist: *_everybody fucking sucks_*
He gets it.
I think this problem often stems from "Good", "Bad", etc are very imprecise terms and quite subjective and therefore people have very different ideas about what being good means
better than the vast majority of players = good is something a lot of people think which isn't a bad one
but many people also say
knowing the game/sport/skill inside and out to near maximum level of depth is the threshold which also makes sense
Skill is also something very very difficult to measure and tekken's ranked system is designed to intentionally have some level of inaccuracy as it's also designed to serve as a "fun" progression system.
I'm at Kishin with my main(Lars) and I think I got a rank or 2 in me before I get stuck (could be wrong, only way to find out is to play more) but when people ask me do i think I'm good I tend to say something like "good-ish but nothing special" which I think is a fair assessment
I personally think saying "everyone below Tekken god is bad" is a bit disingenuous and i don't think you can split players into good, bad and ok, it's a sliding scale.
I think that when you say "X player/rank is good/bad" it's always worth specifying from which perspective.
From the pov of the total tekken player-base and averages, you can say that I'm 'good' cause statistically I, and anyone at my rank or there about is more capable than the vast majority of the player-base but from the perspective of how good at the game it's possible to get, I'm not really all that good and neither are my fellow blue rank dwellers.
Got to Tekken King with Steve and boy my room feels like a sauna it was a struggle
What up Tekken King? I sitting here listening to you breakdown the ranks and I guess Tekken King rank just means experienced player.
Adapting to people with weird play styles is such a struggle. It just takes experience.
when you climb up that high up the ladder maybe its just kinda hard to release that like theres like 2.5 million people under you and they would probably not find it crazy to call you really good at tekken up there. (admittatly like half of them never bothered to learn to block and dropped the game after a week" but like there obviously alot perspective with the term because "good at tekken" can mean alot of things to alot of diffrent ranks. theres always someone above you
i mostly agree im in the blue ranks currently and i still get my ass handed to me i still have so much to learn with all these characters its all about your knowledge on the characters knowing when to punish and counter there is a lot to consider although if your better than like 90% of players it shows a lot but not enough when it comes to being good at tekken
From a casual point of view, you're wrong for the reasons people have mentioned in the other comments, from a competitors point of view (someone who wants to reach his limits on his Tekken journey) you're spot on.
Tekken's ranks are something I hugely respect, they can truly show your current skill or problems. In games like SF6, KOF XV, GBVS or GG:Strive you can achieve the max rank (or floor lol) by grindding to a point that the max rank might not feel as special, in Tekken that's literally impossible to achieve if you don't keep improving at a steady pace, so you might find someone who is in a journey like you who just got to a yellow rank with 300 matches, or someone who is stuck in those ranks with 3000 matches.
The skill ceiling is so high in Tekken that you can argue that being a Tekken God of Destruction does not even guarantee that you would do good on a competitive tournament
I’m Jin Main and I’m Kishin, but I need more advice to beat stronger players, you know about Jin?
I'm not too sure about Jin tbh bro, but come by to the Stream and I'm sure someone can help you or join the discord - discord.com/invite/sNy3AfYR
I’m a casual player, I just made Raijin without really trying. I have an unconventional skill, the more exciting the fight the more my skills come out the more boring the fight well, I lose.
I'm a scrub, and I can definitely agree that their are players who know how to play against Nina and they kinda just wipe me. Usually I can condition people into my setups but these players know exactly when to counter and cut off like half of my gameplan. At that point I actively try to play differently, but it only works 25% of the time I'd say. Usually will lose the set even if I steal one.
Ignoring definitions related to morality, I would say Mike's skill level in Tekken fits most definitions of the word GOOD. His experiences with previous Tekken, and other fighting games is a strange thing to bring up as it, in no way, change the definition of the word.
Every time I watch your videos like this, I swear I just face you to see😂
For the being “better” than 98% of the player base people means your “good” people.
There is a difference between being a being in a top percentile of the proficient and being in the top percentile of the world in a specific forum(online ranked) that includes all levels of players . With the pool so vast, it is quite possible that the pool you faced to achieve a certain ranked:
1. Never included the best of the best
2. You lost to the best of the best but beat enough weak,average, slightly weaker than you , slightly better than you players to achieve it
So I would say good, is someone who can always achieve the same outcome despite the variables. Which is typically the pro players that reach the highest rank with ease
Not those who reached it once, from a few good and/or lucky (spread out) ranked sessions, and are sitting on the rank puffing their chest out about a 2% percentile , feeling like they are on equal footing with actually good players
Loose it and get it back,Grab another character/secondary account and get it back in the same or quicker timeframe. If you can’t, you are not good…you are simply competent enough to capitalize on luck
I find that at different levels people play with a different style. Blues were hard to get through for me, because ppl are trying to think more, but also still have that yolo button mash early game panic tendency as well.
I’m hard stuck at bushin. Been spending the last month in quick match to learn match ups and avoid further knowledge checks from characters I rarely run into.
If you made it so far then maybe yes
I agree with your definition of good because the skill ceiling is high. A lot of people are trying to say that being better than x% of people makes you good but that only makes you a better player but it doesn't mean you are good at said game. The reason I feel this way is because I Skateboard and being better than 90-95% of people who skate means that you probably won't lose a game of skate (like h-o-r-s-e for basketball but for skateboarding) at your local skatepark but it doesn't mean you are good. There is too much to learn to call yourself good just off of "being better than others" esp when a LARGE majority of those people haven't put in much time to practicing if at all.
Very well said.
I’m in vanquisher and I still feel like I fit into your description for beginners to cavalry lol
Stay strong, brother. You'll get there 🗿
I’m at god of destruction with Jin got my howrang and drag to tekken god and tekken king with kazuya I’ve practiced a lot but I think I’m average to slightly above average
Believe it or not, I think Feng is a very fun character to fight against, along with Leo, Steve, Reina, Paul, Bryan and Law. Those characters I always complete the set (against the others, depends on my mood).
I´m a King player and currently between Battle Ruler and Fujin. I believe the blue ranks in T8 are like the red ranks in T7, and I´m at the point where I must learn more about the opponent´s character and try different stuff in order to get higher.
I honestly think that if you can't consider yourself good when you are better than 95% of players, that you are being slightly disrespectful to the 95% below you. Basically, just because you can still get better (even a lot better) doesn't mean you aren't already good at the game.
Youre right, you play at the level thats right at the precipice of where top level legacy players usually float about. The kind of players that have had top level players to spar with the entirety of their lives
I am unranked, therefore I am good...
At avoiding playing Tekken.
I have been hardstuck garyu with kazuya to the point where i quit the game for months. Still proud of myself😭
Keep going, brother. You'll go beyond! ☝🏾
This my first tekken and I’m rajin with feng I’m valid? I use 12 characters tho
You're a Feng main. That's valid 🗿
Nah forreal as a tekken god supreme my leg literally twitches when I see a low coming 😂
Any comments on 6arikan being banned on both tekken 8 and mk1? That should make for a good video. Also took you long enough to get tekken god rank lol.
There’s literally a ghost system in game. “Battle against your opponents n find what you could’ve done better” NGL all I got from this video is “MFs are sensitive, n get mad over everything. Maybe I’m wrong, but jus seems like ppl needa stfu n go but ghost battle modes. Goku didn’t die 9 times for this type of thinking …
Die 9 times, Zenkai boost 10 🗿
@@RealMikeHollow ESACLY 😭😭😭
I think your rank speaks differently to each player. I’m fairly casual. I attend a local event when I can, but will never be an actual competitive player. Being able to move up in ranks tells me I am getting better. Getting better is all I care about. I’ll never be “good” at Tekken, just better than I was the week before. All that being said, I think the point system needs an overhaul.
As Kishin
I am a good decent player (includes Bushin)
Tk and TE are
Really Great Players Experts
Tg, Tgs and GoD are
Top Best Pros
I am aiming for Bushin
But
My final aim is TK
As a Jun Main
My Jin is Also a Tenryu
Prowess is hell matchmaking
I am like 186 000
Just my opinion
Great Video this is very Helpful 😊
I don't know if Im good or bad what I can say is Im a work in Progress because this is my second Tekken game but the first time I really wanted to get good.I don't know if im good for one reason Im still figuring out new moves.I wish Kazuya or Lars had this problem or Jin maybe.
I got TGO in T7 on PS4 and TGP like 15 times on Steam during the end of T7. I cannot get past Tekken God in T8.
I think it has to do with the amount of players we have now in T8. They’re are so many people playing so of course they’re going to be a lot more players that are better than you.
In Tekken, the better you get, the higher ceiling gets. You can beat 19 guys out of 20 but when you do face that one guy who is completely better than you, you see how far back you are.
I agree. Tekken God is dancing the line of being good at Tekken.
Am tekken god on boths my pc and ps5 Account and I still think am horrible at tekken 8
Ngl i agree to extent. But i think like a good player atleast someone whos purple is 1 willing to take defeats, learn and find ways around rather than blaming an unbalanced character. My mate got to fuj with Raven cuz nobody cares about the character or his match up so it was free W for him till then.
Loads have an unintended exploit to carry the player. Alisa stance, nothing you can do to block chip and chip in tekken 8 is not balanced. Victor grab bug. Raven and Zafy nobody cares about so you lose if you know nothing. The list goes on.
I love how people be like not listening to a feng main. Only people who play mediocre characters or Bryan/Jin/Kaz players cuz theyre "honest" get to be listened to.
They're probably traumatized by back Kenpo and facing the reality of their inadequacies as a player 😂
I'm a steve main. I love fighting feng.
It’s not a good matchup for Steve tho and I main him with Bryan 😂
I think the Tekken 8 rank system is a bit flawed. What I mean is, it's more beneficial to derank and then win the next promotion match, because you get a nice amount of buffer points, whenever you rank up. Not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, but there are a couple things I don't agree with in the rank system. In the upper ranks, you start losing more than you're gaining, which I don't think should work like that, but whatever. I don't really care that much about it, in all honesty.
And yes, one of the reasons I main Reina is because she's hot. You got me there, Mike.
A man of culture has appeared 🗿
Me personally, I think you can START to consider yourself as decent when you hit Tekken King only because of how shambolic blue ranks can be for various reasons.
Once you got past the purple ranks in T7, you’d start to run into “real” players.
These are the players that sidestep, have good movement, great whiff punish opportunities, punish things that aren’t just launch punishes, know matchups, etc.
Idk when you run into these players in T8 because I I don’t play often lol. I’m still in Red ranks I think.
You don’t run into them🤣
Peaked at Garyu With Dragnouv. Never played a Tekken game until 8
Respect
Tekken hardest game. Agree, being TG as well with too many failed TGS promos, i will only say im above average/intermediate.
There are monsters in the high ranks that just have you second guessing whether you've even started learning the game lmao. Ceiling so damn high
I been wondering whats the definite fighting game that sets players aside from others
TEKKEN
Tekken 6 for me. Older games had less comeback mechanics so to me were more honest but I'm old
@@Crimsongz when I say fighting games I mean ALL.... Like can a Tekken player respect a GOOD multiversus player? Can Storm or Xenoverse player tell a Soul Caliber player how good they are without the SC player feeling like the Zeno player overplayed their skills.
I'm not good at any fighting games including Tekken. But I still play nonetheless because I enjoy playing it.
I might be overcomplicating this, but to say you ( not literally YOU) are good or bad at Tekken would be underselling the complexity of Tekken. You can be the best Eddy in the world, but lose whenever you get caught in a King grapple string. But you might also may destroy every Nina you see. People have strengths and weaknesses. On the other hand tho, I think being good lies in your understanding of Tekken and how to play. If you understand Tekken, then those perceived weaknesses will be easier to overcome. As opposed to a person who gets mixed, and instead of looking for punishes and labbing, they mash armor moves and get mixed even further. (Me, sometimes lol)
But I also agree. Simply put? There are levels to this sh!t lol
Nah, you’re good at the game in the general sense. You may not be “super advanced” or “expert” etc but it sounds like as you’ve gotten better at the game you’ve realized how high the ceiling actually is compared to what you’re doing as a player.
It’s a healthy mindset to have as a player to constantly see your inconsistencies, problems, and room for improvement. Then tie that to people you come across who are leagues better than you. But that doesn’t change the fact that you’re overall, yes, generally speaking you’re good at the game.
And I’m not really pointing to rank here. If rank were removed entirely I’d still call you a generally good player. Again, not a raging savant, not a pro level player, not some advanced player, not some expert, but just a “generally good player”
I've beaten legit pro players in ranked, I think I have some credibility as a player. I've beaten Soul Calibur pro Kayane who was playing Xiaoyu, I've beaten Fergus (I'm sure he needs no introduction), and I was able to get 1 match off Chickenmaru (He was my toughest opponent), oh I also fought against KingJae and LMG MoB. This was all during ranked match.
Mike please don’t downplay me for playing Jin. I literally have to sugarcoat it because I can’t do electrics
😂😂 learn those electrics! That's the fun in the character.
Anyone who's better than me is good and anyone who's not is bad. I am the equalizer
i think this assessment is narrow minded and misleading. Alot of factors go into how well a player performs and ranks do not do a good job of accurately displaying that.
Quite a few characters can net easy wins and be hard or even unfair to deal with (T8 Dragunov is a good example of this)
Certain characters are inherently harder to play than others. (Kazuya is a prime example here). So having a fujin Nina is worlds apart from having a fujin kaz. The kazuya has to be in a different league just to compete in those ranks where as the nina can simply mash the same dumb stuff without a thought and do just fine.
Regions also play a part in ranked progress. America is a much easier region to play in and this is backed up by the experience of a few pro players when comparing to say korean or middle eastern servers. a red rank in the states might only be a yellow ranker if they moved and started over the next day in korea for example.
not to mention cheaters and boosters. their rank not only means nothing at all, but it also skews statistics and also diminishes the meaning of ranks for anyone who encounters them and takes their points. essentially another form of boosting.
also some players sit at ranks they do not belong. i have known God level players who sat at green or red ranks with no intention of ever going back into ranked simply because they didnt enjoy the experience for whatever reason. and yet they consistently ran through lobies and mopped the floor with even the highest players that came in to challenge them.
Ultimately the ranking system does an ok job at best when defining the skill of a player, but it is nowhere near perfect or accurate. so to take those rank labels and judge people on those solely without knowing anything about the individual is foolish and meaningless.
I play tekken 8 in the middle east region and compared to America, these guys are real monsters at the game.
I play Raven well I did, Zafina main now and I get absolutely wrecked in the game. It's hard to play online especially trying to get my Zafina up to my rank of Battle Ruler where my Raven currently is right now. The players are stronger and have super strong movement. It's like a different tekken here.