My 11 yearl old 100% OZ Canvas swag has never leaked from the floor or anywhere else even when submerged in 5 to 10 cm of water during storms. Have never understood the marketing hype of PVC floors. Thanks for sharing. Cheers
Me too. Apply it with the corner of a sponge, or use scissors to cut a pointy piece of sponge. Or simply use one of those sponge paint brushes you can buy. Done both tents and tarps with it. Never spending money on "fancy" small tubes of seam sealer again. When you look at the ingredients, it's just silicone anyway, at least the ones I've bought in the past. To make it look a bit tidier, you can mask off the seam you want to seal with painters tape before applying the silicon/ turps (it's called white spirit where I am. Mineral spirit is also a name for it in some parts).
and if you are new to it, do the inside as well as the outside for the best coverage. I used a syringe to do mine and treated it like a weld, using a circular motion to not only cover but push/force it into the holes.
Bloody champion! I've been dealing with a similar loose stitching issue for years, the stitch just needs to swell more to fill the hole! If all else fails, some silicone to help fill the hole! Passing on this awesome news to my wife right away!
New subscriber. How did youtube never recommend your channel to me...I follow US and UK channels as well as some other Aussie youtubers. Anyway...found you now. Looks like good info, well presented, no BS.
My inner 13yr old had a good laugh at the explanation. The 2 finger sent me over the edge. My next birthday is 50.....I shan't bother to attempt any sort of self improve at this stage in life.
Good work Alex - nailed it. Although I am all about premium, I still see a place for a cheap swag if that is what your budget allows for, as long as the cons are considered vs the price. 16 year old me would have loved a top notch swag, but my paper round budget didn't allow for it...would have been very happy with a $120 one albeit a bit leaky!! Factory Seam Sealing is costly, hence the addage you get what you pay for!
Yep, SeamGrip is the go to product for sealing pretty much anything that needs to be waterproof. It is also extremely strong, often stronger than the original material & the repair will remain good for decades. Just a tip on Seamgrip it uses moisture from the air to set off. This means that once it has been opened, the rest of the product will set off in the tube and likely be useless next time you want to it. However, there is a solution. Just pop the tube in a small Zip Lock bag then pop it in the freezer. Yes it will still eventually set off in there after several years.
Thx for the video. I used to ride a road bike, rain, hail or shine. I found Dubbin did wonders for my leathers but it torched the stitching. I ended up with a product called Renapur based on bees 🐝 wax. This was phenomenal. It kept my leathers looking fantastic and any water just beaded and rolled off. It was safe for stitching. You just rub it on with a sponge. That might work really nicely.
This is a great video and really informative. Keep up the good work. That seam sealer stuff looks like good a thing for any canvas seam that leaks Something else that might work i seen on toyota world runners channel where they mixed a tube of silicon with a couple of litres of acetone to re water proof an old fold over canvas camper, not sure if the canvas would still be able to breath afterwards but seemed to work of them.
you were right the first time it's not really a "fatal flaw" with pvc bucket floors. it's an issue with cheap construction. i've had touring tents with bucket floors that go one step further and have bucket floor to canvas strip then canvas strip to canvas wall the wall extending past the bucket floor close to ground level so water sheets off the only stitching exposed to rain is canvas to canvas and the tent has to be in 6" or more of water before the bucket floor could even leak at the stitching.
I have used this on the side awing covers ...use clear neutral silicone with shell-lite fuel ( white spirits) ..mix 1/4 cup of silicone add the shell-lite and stir until it's a nice fairly thin brush-able mix then apply i have not used this on swags but can't see it not working
Mix polyurethane adhesive/sealant (Adheseal everflex PU-240, 310ml, $12) with turpentine just thin enough to apply with a brush about 50/50. Better economy for large tents or multiple swags.
Great analysis 👍🏻 What about some adding some seam tape on the inside to keep the plain seem pointing up. That way the water should just slide right past.
Pretty much nailed it Alex!! Well done 🎉 And as we discussed, if your budget only allows for a cheap swag, then that’s the best swag for you as long as you allow for the pros and cons…actually that’s something that can be said about any product. Love ya work…keep it up!!
I got a southern cross canvas swag ( high end aussie made) my pvc bottom isn’t even a bucket. It just flat and living in vic i do a lot of camping in the rain its never leaked on me
I was gifted the same swag. Did the same process of seasoning it as you did, with the same results. So I went to anaconda and purchased their “canvas re-seasoning” product. I painted it onto all seams, seals or anywhere that a needle would be used in manufacturing. To date (used 5 times with twice in heavy weather), it has stayed water proof. Will recheck mine again after watching your vid. Appreciate your review !
I was given a swag, that someone used in the rain and then packed it in the plastic bag it came in, went home and didn’t air it out. The whole thing was mould. I washed the whole thing, inside n out with vinegar, hosed it out, dried it, THEN I painted the entire exterior canvas, seems etc with a canvas rewaterproofing product. This stuff looks a bit like woodworking glue, but gums up any hole, seem and I even went over the zips with no problem.
Silicone and Mineral spirits, thins it down nicely and you can waterproof a ton of other items while you are at it... As for applicators you can get the syringes with a fine tip and have at it.
I was told not to get a pvc swag in the shop. Not because of rain but condensation. Swag placement is important. I used to put a tarp out or get a stretcher if it's bad.
Easy fix a garage bag a bottle of shellite a tube of silicone, mix the shellite and silicone in the garage bag until all dissolved and use a paint brush to apply it
Hmmm I believe that was a Kings swag. I think that’s part of the problem. They have a good warrant, so I would get your money back and get a good one. I’ve had 2 swags over 30 years. Darche swags are great in my opinion. I only upgrade for more space. My original one is still going after 32 years. i passed it onto my nephew.l
3:08 Thats the limit of my primary school sex education discussions in. The 80’s. The issue is the stitching is not cotton. Most stitching is nylon. Nylon doesn’t swell like cotton in canvas..therefore you have to seam seal all those regions. OR be a real bloke and sleep in a hammock under a fly sheet.
I bought a sar major swag . Did the hose crap over and over . Well it rains and leaks and becomes a swimming pool . I took it back they didnt give a fuk that it ruined things i had in my swag aswel as the matress . Just buy a tent . Fuk these crap expensive swags . Never had a tent leak on me before . My swag now just sits in the garage decomposing .
I don’t understand the appeal of a swag ! They take up so much room and gets worse if you need one for each child in tow. Only thing I can think of that attracts men to them is the romance of canvas bit like women and white linen clothing on tropical islands
My 11 yearl old 100% OZ Canvas swag has never leaked from the floor or anywhere else even when submerged in 5 to 10 cm of water during storms. Have never understood the marketing hype of PVC floors. Thanks for sharing. Cheers
Great vid
I use silicone dissolved in turps painted on
Works a treat 👍
Me too. Apply it with the corner of a sponge, or use scissors to cut a pointy piece of sponge. Or simply use one of those sponge paint brushes you can buy. Done both tents and tarps with it. Never spending money on "fancy" small tubes of seam sealer again. When you look at the ingredients, it's just silicone anyway, at least the ones I've bought in the past. To make it look a bit tidier, you can mask off the seam you want to seal with painters tape before applying the silicon/ turps (it's called white spirit where I am. Mineral spirit is also a name for it in some parts).
and if you are new to it, do the inside as well as the outside for the best coverage. I used a syringe to do mine and treated it like a weld, using a circular motion to not only cover but push/force it into the holes.
Bloody champion!
I've been dealing with a similar loose stitching issue for years, the stitch just needs to swell more to fill the hole!
If all else fails, some silicone to help fill the hole!
Passing on this awesome news to my wife right away!
So glad you decided to create videos again.
New subscriber. How did youtube never recommend your channel to me...I follow US and UK channels as well as some other Aussie youtubers.
Anyway...found you now.
Looks like good info, well presented, no BS.
My inner 13yr old had a good laugh at the explanation. The 2 finger sent me over the edge.
My next birthday is 50.....I shan't bother to attempt any sort of self improve at this stage in life.
Fatal?
🤦♀️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Budding necrophiliac.
Very well done buddy, reviews is certainly your niche, thanks for sharing ❤
Good work Alex - nailed it. Although I am all about premium, I still see a place for a cheap swag if that is what your budget allows for, as long as the cons are considered vs the price. 16 year old me would have loved a top notch swag, but my paper round budget didn't allow for it...would have been very happy with a $120 one albeit a bit leaky!! Factory Seam Sealing is costly, hence the addage you get what you pay for!
Yep, SeamGrip is the go to product for sealing pretty much anything that needs to be waterproof. It is also extremely strong, often stronger than the original material & the repair will remain good for decades. Just a tip on Seamgrip it uses moisture from the air to set off. This means that once it has been opened, the rest of the product will set off in the tube and likely be useless next time you want to it. However, there is a solution. Just pop the tube in a small Zip Lock bag then pop it in the freezer. Yes it will still eventually set off in there after several years.
Well done. You're good at this. Thanks Alex
i had the same issue with my swag, really turned me off it. Be good to hear your opinion on the different stretchers
Thx for the video.
I used to ride a road bike, rain, hail or shine.
I found Dubbin did wonders for my leathers but it torched the stitching.
I ended up with a product called Renapur based on bees 🐝 wax.
This was phenomenal. It kept my leathers looking fantastic and any water just beaded and rolled off. It was safe for stitching.
You just rub it on with a sponge.
That might work really nicely.
Extremely helpful video, and well structured thanks mate 👍
3:20 Well, looks like I'm off to find a tool that makes gifs... 😂 Awesome work mate as always mate.
This is a great video and really informative.
Keep up the good work.
That seam sealer stuff looks like good a thing for any canvas seam that leaks
Something else that might work i seen on toyota world runners channel where they mixed a tube of silicon with a couple of litres of acetone to re water proof an old fold over canvas camper, not sure if the canvas would still be able to breath afterwards but seemed to work of them.
From what I've heard that brand of swag used to be manufactured with the flat seam, but at some point they started using the plain seams.
you were right the first time it's not really a "fatal flaw" with pvc bucket floors. it's an issue with cheap construction. i've had touring tents with bucket floors that go one step further and have bucket floor to canvas strip then canvas strip to canvas wall the wall extending past the bucket floor close to ground level so water sheets off the only stitching exposed to rain is canvas to canvas and the tent has to be in 6" or more of water before the bucket floor could even leak at the stitching.
Great explainer Alex, you're excellent at it.
I have used this on the side awing covers ...use clear neutral silicone with shell-lite fuel ( white spirits) ..mix 1/4 cup of silicone add the shell-lite and stir until it's a nice fairly thin brush-able mix then apply i have not used this on swags but can't see it not working
Mix polyurethane adhesive/sealant (Adheseal everflex PU-240, 310ml, $12) with turpentine just thin enough to apply with a brush about 50/50. Better economy for large tents or multiple swags.
Great analysis 👍🏻
What about some adding some seam tape on the inside to keep the plain seem pointing up. That way the water should just slide right past.
Great solution. Thanks❤
Wonder if something like will work on my camper trailer with an old school canvas top not the rip stop stuff
3.55 did harry make you do that?
I am pretty sure Alex came up with it!! Maybe harry can learn a thing or two from this!!!
The demonstration wouldn't have worked if Harry were involved. Not enough fingers to properly illustrate the issue.
@@Camping_reviews 😅😅
Pretty much nailed it Alex!! Well done 🎉
And as we discussed, if your budget only allows for a cheap swag, then that’s the best swag for you as long as you allow for the pros and cons…actually that’s something that can be said about any product. Love ya work…keep it up!!
We do the same but with no hands
I got a southern cross canvas swag ( high end aussie made) my pvc bottom isn’t even a bucket. It just flat and living in vic i do a lot of camping in the rain its never leaked on me
Fantastic review and fix, well done
Thanks a good way to fix a old problem.
I was gifted the same swag. Did the same process of seasoning it as you did, with the same results. So I went to anaconda and purchased their “canvas re-seasoning” product. I painted it onto all seams, seals or anywhere that a needle would be used in manufacturing. To date (used 5 times with twice in heavy weather), it has stayed water proof.
Will recheck mine again after watching your vid. Appreciate your review !
Oh forgot to mention. I used the product both on the outside and the inside of the swag.
I was given a swag, that someone used in the rain and then packed it in the plastic bag it came in, went home and didn’t air it out.
The whole thing was mould.
I washed the whole thing, inside n out with vinegar, hosed it out, dried it, THEN I painted the entire exterior canvas, seems etc with a canvas rewaterproofing product.
This stuff looks a bit like woodworking glue, but gums up any hole, seem and I even went over the zips with no problem.
Silicone and Mineral spirits, thins it down nicely and you can waterproof a ton of other items while you are at it...
As for applicators you can get the syringes with a fine tip and have at it.
That was hot☝️👌
I was told not to get a pvc swag in the shop. Not because of rain but condensation. Swag placement is important. I used to put a tarp out or get a stretcher if it's bad.
Great video and funny as 😂
I was watching this with the sound down and I thought you were talking about animal husbandry while camping
Well.. that was an R-rated emotional roller coaster ❤ Keep up the great work handsome 👉🕳️👈
Easy fix a garage bag a bottle of shellite a tube of silicone, mix the shellite and silicone in the garage bag until all dissolved and use a paint brush to apply it
I'm looking at all the 'hang points' (trees) behind him and thinking how much I love my Hammock.
I am too scared to ask what brand the swag is. I would love to steer clear of it anyway.
Swags are great for anyone under 45 ... I've now got a proper tent and stretchers !
I seal my seams right out of the box, we've got an old cheap festival tent, that hasn't leaked yet.
Well that's single daddy delux for yah!! 😅
Yup! I just get angrier the longer I look at it 🤣
Sellys kwick grip $10 at bunnings works well also.
Can’t beat good quality stitching…
Hmmm I believe that was a Kings swag. I think that’s part of the problem. They have a good warrant, so I would get your money back and get a good one. I’ve had 2 swags over 30 years. Darche swags are great in my opinion. I only upgrade for more space. My original one is still going after 32 years. i passed it onto my nephew.l
Weld PVC not stitch.. yep, seam seal the PVC if it must be stitched..
Lapped seams are so much better than a paintbrush entry hole..
Ripper episode 👍
Good to be able to solve the problem but the problem should not exist in the first place. Very poor manufacturing standards.
Ah that's what they're talking about when they say it was like throwing a Hotdog down a hallway 🤔 Swag stitching 🤦♂️😁
3:08 Thats the limit of my primary school sex education discussions in. The 80’s. The issue is the stitching is not cotton. Most stitching is nylon. Nylon doesn’t swell like cotton in canvas..therefore you have to seam seal all those regions. OR be a real bloke and sleep in a hammock under a fly sheet.
How lazy. They could have added seam tape to this average design and got away with it for 95% of use cases
That's what she said 🚬👽🦘🇦🇺
Seasoning 👉👌🎉
I bought a sar major swag . Did the hose crap over and over . Well it rains and leaks and becomes a swimming pool . I took it back they didnt give a fuk that it ruined things i had in my swag aswel as the matress . Just buy a tent . Fuk these crap expensive swags . Never had a tent leak on me before . My swag now just sits in the garage decomposing .
So “ weathering” is BS 💩 ARB need to be made aware of this as they stand by the fact there awnings need weathering when new.
UHU glue in a tube.
Burn it. You’d be better off with a tarp than that shite.
That is probably what I'd love to do with it when I'm done, but I'd hate for the damn thing to live on in my lungs 😆
When a swag is a pretend tent (like most modern ‘swags’ are), just buy a tent.
I don’t understand the appeal of a swag ! They take up so much room and gets worse if you need one for each child in tow.
Only thing I can think of that attracts men to them is the romance of canvas bit like women and white linen clothing on tropical islands
This is why I soak my new swags in the bathtub full of water, as opposed to just spraying a hose on it. Makes a massive difference to seasoning.
Don't have to be a genius to know it's a cheap Kings Chinese piece of crap!
That's not a SWAG that's a TENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!