The gun I didn't know I needed...
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2023
- After getting beaten by this small calibre at Casa de Campo, I have been watching out for one I want.
All of the over and unders I would be happy enough with are outside of my budget, so I had to think outside the box!
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Nobody really takes the .410 seriously in the US so it's pretty cool seeing some content for it on RUclips. Thanks.
because the ammo costs more then 50bmg...
I would say that's only true of the "influencers." With the introduction of TSS, you're seeing a lot more hunters gravitating to the .410. The bigger issue is, lead shot has been broadly banned for bird hunting, and steel shot in the .410 simply isn't effective. So when it comes to hunting with the .410, the choice is essentially bismuth or TSS, both of which are more expensive than steel in 12 or 20 gauge.
@@newscoulomb3705 No, I'm speaking from growing up in the rural south. At least for the past 30ish years I've never known anyone to own or use a .410 for anything. The only mention of it I can recall is one or two very old men saying something along the lines of ".410s are for experts." Long before the RUclips influencer stuff.
@@mabs9503 Okay, so your experience is very different than mine. Around here, they are very common as youth shotguns and all-purpose (trap, varmint, upland) guns. The 12s and 20s were always the waterfowl guns, but you'd be hard pressed to find a hunter who didn't at least have a .410 growing up.
@@newscoulomb3705 The go-to for a youth shotgun or a shotgun for a lady who doesn't feel comfortable with a 12ga is a 20ga. The only person I knew who had a .410 had one of those "pilot survival guns" and he treated it like a novelty/collector item.
It took me 50 years to realize I wasn't good enough to shoot a 410. Sold the two 410's I owned and all reloading equipment. Now - the 28 gauge - ahhh, a totally different story!
They can have it. I bought a 20 o/u.👍
A couple of my mates are pointing me at 28s...
Fell in love with 28 gauge, myself.
That much difference between .410 and 28 gauge?
I wanted a 28 gauge all along, this spring I came across the right deal.
My brother-in-law in Scotland was given a very short shotgun as a gift from a tenant. Scotland Yard came the next day to pick it up as evidence. The tenant’s son had robbed a bank. Incredibly they gave my brother the rifle back after the case was closed.
based
Rifle?
@@JoeKurr5
Or shotgun?
Scotland, always more based than the British.
@sunsinger970
Scotland Yard is in London. It's the Metropolitan police HQ.
Edit...And Scotland is in Great Britain. 😂
There's been a canada wide shortage on 410 ammunition for the past 3 years and we finally got some in stock this past Monday. Hands down the most popular shell for grouse hunting in northwestern ontario. Great video!
Same problem down East, cant find them..
Matt True Canadiens need to take Canada back from the Liberals. The same way that True Americans need to take America back from the Leftist
Wow, Grouse with a .410, you guys are good! I hope you have a fun and prosperous hunting season!
Can't find them in the usa
When you do find them, they put a 12 gauge hole in your pocket@@BorneSolidBoom
Jonny says "Thats beautiful, well made and under £1000" Jonny means: it had gold accents on it 🤣🤣🤣
In the US you can get a break action shotgun for about $100
@@coopboulton where cause I want one
@@breckenadam2076GUN BROKER
@@coopboultonlol try £50 in the UK. Old side by sides are generally unwanted. At an auction you could possibly 2 for £50 lol
@@beeboop1726 shotguns are still pretty popular in the US.. Most guns are popular in the US lol.
410 is usually the 2nd gun American kids get. Their first is .22lr. 410 is good for small game. Rabbits, squirrels etc and with 410 slugs deer. A lot of us have defensive handgun/ revolvers that have some very interesting 410 defensive loads
Slight modification - used to be. Hard to find a 410 that's not "tactical" with a thumb hole stock or camo-ed with a picatinny rail.
@@ronaldjohnson1474 My local Rural King had a couple of the .410 Mossberg 500 pumps. Mossberg even makes their little 510 Mini in .410.
Henry might make their single shot in .410, but since H&R / NEF shut down, you don’t really see the basic .410 singles much anymore.
@@ronaldjohnson1474 can still find em if you look online. Plus plenty of companies combine the two and make over under 22lr/410 combo guns
@@ronaldjohnson1474My lgs has plenty of non tactical .410. Singles, doubles, over-under, lever action, and even a dual caliber.
Some of us had both…a .22 out of the top barrel with .410 underneath. 😂
Some great points made across the board in this video. From the viewpoint of a US shooter, .410 and 28 gauge are all you really need for "bird" shooting. For my part, small bores are the best trainer for experienced shooters. Shooting 12 gauge in 8+ pound guns make me develop bad habits like shooting only from the waist up and not utilizing the rest of my body for consistent, smooth shots. I tend to use the method Josh adapted of insert behind and swing through with help from my legs to swing rather than just pushing with my arms. My vote; make it fit you and guard it with your life. It will give you great pleasure for the rest of your life.
I started hunting with my brothers Rossi .410 side by side as a kid and shot ducks every bit as good as my buddies with their12 gauge pumps! I finally got my own 12 gauge and my brother sold his .410. I have been looking for another .410 like his for the last 40 years, someday I will get lucky!
I am one of those Americans recommending the .410. It works for me on all game birds. I use Federal TSS shot for turkey and pheasants, otherwise nothing special. I think it will grow on you. Congrats on getting a fine gun at a great price.
We use them on halibut and salmon sharks up here in AK. It can be just too exciting to have a live one of those on board and unhappy😁
@@JD-tn5lz bruh you shoot them before you gaff them?
Single shot 410 and a 22 were minimum required equipment for a country boy when I grew up ( Canada in the 70s) lol
Same here in California (real California anyway).
Nice you can get 410 ammo. Here in Canada they are virtually non existent and if you do find some they want $50 per box!!!😢
here in Greece my 410 ammo 9euros per box
Same here in the states. 410 isn't easy to find
It's upwards of almost $2 a shell in my area of the US.
You are lucky you can find that😅
I purchased a 28 gauge and loading supplies instead of a 410 here in canada. Similar reasons to own with small size and recoil. Very fun and addictive
Great to see Jonny getting excited over shooting the 410, As a confirmed fan myself and organiser of "The British Open 410 Championship" I expect to see Jonny at next years event.
I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you get a level of buzz hitting things with a 410 that you just don't get with a 12 bore.
The British open 410 champs!? As a brand new 410 owner…..Please tell me more!!
ruclips.net/video/0kIbK_HGbxA/видео.html
Why do you think that is?
Hi Bobby,
The British Open 410 Championship. A festival of this fantastic little calibre. Held this year at the fabulous E J Churchill SG on August Bank holiday Monday 26th. Details and booking will be publicised shortly.
See you there.
Richard
@@richardgray4369 Yess!!!! Thankyou very much!!
I will make sure I’m there! Where abouts will it be posted?
I grew up with a 410.....you learn to shoot
Hats off if you could shoot one well and astonishment that as a kid you could afford the shells to learn.
@@agunther08they used to be super cheap…. Like almost .22 kind of cheap.
@@agunther08 When I started shooting a .410, my shells were around $2.30 a box for the "good stuff". It has been quite awhile ago!!
Thanks for a wonderful video! I shoot my .410 now for all my shooting. It’s truly big thrill when you connect with a 50+ yard shot with this little gun. I not a great shot, but I’m a lucky shot. My grandfather told me many years ago, it’s better to be lucky all the time, than be good/great once in a while! What’s amazing to me is some of the second barrel shots I make at wobble trap. Unfortunately they are smoked hits, usually two or three pieces. Not bad for 50-60 yard targets. My favor load now is my hand load of 5/8oz. of 7 1/2’s in a 3” shell.
A wonderful new episode, thank you Mr. Carter! There are several enjoyable RUclips videos featuring .410 enthusiasts from Italy, enjoying walked-up woodcock shooting, over English setters in Ireland and Scotland, and they are very effective with their .410 side-by-sides. If you have the opportunity to do some walked-up for partridge or woodcock, that should make for another great TGS chapter. My wife and I do quite a lot of walked-up game shooting stateside over our English setter, and our AyA #4 boxlock ejector small bore guns have never let us down - affordable, reliable, effective, handsome, wonderfully crafted, nicely balanced and light weight - guns we can carry for long periods with little fatigue. Be careful: small bore guns easily become an addiction . . .
.410 was my son’s first deer gun, at 7 years old. I still have it here.
My first was an o/u 28 guage my grandfather gave me when I was 8 years old. I also still have that, in fact I had it professionally refurbished by a local gunsmith/engraver. Both are now souvenirs.
Yes, have a725 /410 32” Sporting and a Parker in 410…fun fun
In the former American colony, the .410 ammunition has been hard to get target and game loads for quite a few years now.
28ga is a good alternative. Huge variation in loads too - very versatile, but cartridges are spendy.
Great video Jonny. I was at Barbury on Friday, I can picture myself shooting the same targets with my new side by side.
A few years ago I had a fairly large shoot in Cambridgeshire. Every year I invited a team of guns that I knew could shoot on a 410 day. We were all amazed at the height and quality of cock pheasants that were clean killed. The pickers up were very surprised at the lack of wounded birds. The demand to be invited was intense, a marvellous little gun, enjoy it to the full it will surprise you.
My first shotgun at 12 years of age in 1961 was a Cooey single shot .410 with ejector, best shotgun that I ever had.
A .410 shell called "High Pheasants"?! Is that British humor?! 😂
I love .410s. Grew up shooting a bolt action and loved it 💖 I think the huge smile on Jonnys face is because it’s a SxS 😂 I brought my first SxS on Saturday - an AYA Yeoman and every time I pick it up I grin from ear to ear 👍 Looking forward to the Beaters Day video, hopefully next Sunday as it’s October 1st 😉
I bought a Beretta Silver Pigeon about a year ago and love it. I agree, I find the 3 inch cartridges better than the 2.5 inch ones.
I grew up using a 410 single shot in Iowa. Phesants, rabbits, squirrels. The good old days
I load my 2.5 inch hulls with 9 shot or 8.5's at most. Very dense pattern compared to 7.5's and breaks clays fine.
410 great caliber owned several over the years one of which was truly spectacular and a side by side to boot..
I picked up an AYA #3 in 28ga last year at the December Holts auction. Yes, they're great fun. Mine was in very good condition, other than the horrible spray lacquer finish they used in the '70's. I bought it for my daughter, but it'll be a few years before she's ready for it. In the mean time, I'm using it with some stick on pad's for drop and a leather pad for length
I buy guns "for my daughter" all the time...the two of them are 16 and 20. One day they'll be old enough to shoot them.
It's about time you woke up and realized how much fun the 410 is to shoot. I shoot 4 gun Skeet here in the States and purchased a 30 inch Silver Pigeon III Sporting in a 2 barrel 28/410 set in 2021. It's proven to be the smartest gun purchase I have ever made. The fit is 100% spot on perfect and the 410 is the least expensive shot shell you can reload. I will also note that it's 6 1/2 lbs. weight with a slight forward balance provides the perfect balance between Responsiveness and Stability. Note, it features a EELL wood upgrade which does add about 1/2 lbs to the gun. I liked the first so much that a month ago I purchased a duplicate just to have a spare in the event the #1 gun had an issue. I'll also note that mine is a gun that you shoot like it were a 12 gauge, nothing at all special needed in the technique to shoot it well. BTW, next time you visit the US you may want to stop in at Joel Etchen Guns in Ligonier, PA. He normally keeps a selection of 20/28 and 28/410 Silver Pigeon III's in stock. Note, he stocks both Field and Sporting versions and all these guns have EELL wood upgrades so they are a bit expensive.
Back before the Covid days I exclusively shot .410 out of a Remington 870 wingmaster that I got as a child. Now in the US it’s extremely rare to find now so now the 28 gets all the play.
The .410 was always known as the "Shed Gun" here in Australia. Great to have between you and a (protected, deadly) snake. Point and shoot. Not my fault the snake got in the way of my target.....
Killed many a water moc, coral snake, and rattlesnake in Missouri with 410s.
We don't need excuses or alibis here😁
Deadly snakes are protected in Australia? 🤔🤓🍻
@@alsaunders7805 All native animals are protected here. Even the ones that are deemed as a pest by farmers and graziers. Pigs, goats, rabbits and the like are classified as feral. Good luck getting a gun license here though.... Lots of rules.
Yeah can’t shoot a rabbit or a fox in a national park or reserve even though they are a pest animals,the government much prefers the “ humane” control of pests with 1080 poison ,which causes the animals to haemorrhage out of their eyes and ears and can take 3 days to die
Have an LC Smith ..410 with 28 inch barrels and double triggers choked mod/full manufactured in 1947. It’s all original with case colors and untouched screws. Paid too much for it but it’s worth quite a bit to a collector I suppose. Great fun and great little gun.
Ive got a AYA no3 .410 if bought it about year ago. They are so much fun to shoot.
Everyone wants to have a look and talk to you when you turn up with something a buy different at the clay shoot.
Respect is earned. Earn it you do #TGSoutdoors. I love my little Bretton bolt action 410. It's full length silenced and quieter than my .22 lr. Roost shooting near the stables it's just the job.
In mid-December 1955 I was gifted a Stevens Model 39a .410 shotgun for my birthday. It was my first personal firearm. I took a lot of game using 3" shells from that gun and still have it to this day.
Since purchasing a .410 and a pair of 28ga guns, I will never go back to 12 or 20ga for clay sports or hunting. So much more fun and very rarely feel like I wished for more gun.
I love the classic look and feel of a side by side shotgun. Add that it is in .410 bore, and it's absolute fun.😊
A fun video that I enjoyed. I will watch it again to ferret out what language Josh is speaking. For much of the video I thought I was listening to the broadcast of a Premiership football game being narrated in the style of an announcer from Mexico. Good fun none the less.
Had moderated 410’s over the years and did ok with them in a hide ( by my standards ) but on a whim I bought a Yildiz o/u from TGS a few weeks ago - I’m smitten! My first outing on skeet was more fun than I’d had in ages and I by my own standards I did surprisingly well but I think that was psychology - I didn’t overthink things, just “see it, shoot it” and it worked a treat. I’ve just got to get hold of enough cartridges I can use at my clay ground - 7’s are the limit in terms of shot size. I used the Hull 11gm load 7’s and Fiocchi 19gm 71/2’s and while I did better with the 19gm the 11gm were more fun to shoot in this little gun and were noticeably quieter and they’ll be the ones I use at the farm on fields where noise is an issue.
Bought the exact same gun a few year’s ago but with a longer stock absolutely love it
Our families 410 was a marvellous Topper from around 1959/1960...very good balance and very well made 👍 👏
The Topper Jr here! Lots of shells fired, lots of bluejays & crows sleeping as a lad.
A beautiful gun from AYA. The 410 caliber is definitely getting more attention. My 75 year old clay-shooting friend uses the 410 exclusively. Have fun!
Most of the attention it is getting from me is, it costs me three times as much to shoot my .410 than my 12g.
I have a Hatfield single shot 410. It was so inexpensive it's laughable but for the money unbelievable. It shoots beautifully, slim, well made, accurate, light weight, and a wide selection of ammo for multiple uses, bird, hog, deer, clays, home defense. Can a $99 dollar shotgun actually be called elegant???? Good times to all.
I had a lovely little AyA Number 4 in .410. Couldn't hit a thing with it so got it on the pattern plate and found it shot way off to one side. The gun was near mint but I had to say good bye to it. The little 28 bore version of the same gun I have is superb.
Excellent segment! Except now you have me researching side by side 410's. I have a Beretta 682S barrel set that has all the gauges. I have shot at least one pretty good round with 410, but I usually just laugh at myself a lot when I shoot that size. Its the only way to cope. :)
Just spent the weekend hunting with some friends and we are all ha old 410s. I rocked a Savage 24, and there was a Mossberg 500 and a mossberg 183! All shot great!
Seeing a guy grin from ear to ear over a shotgun says it all!! I love sxs’s and have one in 20 gauge. I totally get the grin factor!! Absolutely fantastic
i have the 20 ga AYA i have had it a number of years and i love it great video thanks
I acquired my .410, a Henry single shot, a few years back as a lightweight turkey gun. With Apex Ninja TSS 9.5s, it throws a killing pattern to at least 40 yards, a dozen or more hits in the head and neck with the factory Turkey choke (by Briley BTW). With a Skeet tube, it shoots Brenneke slugs like a rifle, two-inch three-shot groups at 50 yards, with a sight of course. I had it d&t for optics and have used a red dot and a small prism sight. Right now, it’s bare, because I shoot it at 5-stand when I can get shells. They are, as you said, hard to find, and expensive when you do, at least $14 a box. Great fun on the clays, and since I can call the targets I want, those 35 yards and under, I do pretty well with it. Not quite ready to drop big bucks on a double, but I’m getting closer. Fortunately, the Henrys generally have nice walnut at least, and the ejector is almost a weapon itself; really tosses them!
Great video, as per usual. Thanks.
I have a webley and Scott 410 and I love it, it's a great bit of fun and I brought it from barbury as well.
I have a over and under 410 and I shoot it all the time. I love shooting it and and hunt with it so I think you'll have a long time and have fun with it
Aye up mate we were patterning some guns yesterday my friend had a .410 so we said why not so at 40 yds it pattern really well I think it surprised us all cheers for another great vid bud
I have a early T/C Contender in 45LC/410. Great fun little pistol and a fine hiking gun.
99% I shoot 12ga but when at tournaments in Thailand we mostly got also side challenges, a 25 sporting layout with 3 pegs for side by side etc… I enjoy 28ga and 410 a lot as well every time.
Hope .410 shells are easier to find on your side of the pond than they are here. I've been looking for some #4's or #6's to buy for almost a year now with no luck in the U.S. It's like all our ammo manufacturers totally forgot they make shells in .410 gauge. You know it's bad when 16ga shells are easier to find than .410 shells.
its why i bought a 16ga tons of it from sport south and RSR (distributers for dealers) bought like 15 cases of game loads plus a case of slugs and buck shot for my model 12 in 16 i found at a yard sale for $100
I learnt to shoot using a 410 when I was a kid. Used no.5 shot, for clay and field. Just a beautiful wee gun, and great ammo.
I don't think I could understand a single word these guys said . I feel like I need a English interpreter for English. 😂
I have a 20 gauge with 410 bore Briley ultralight full length custom tubes and a cost effective option compared to getting a dedicated 410 shotgun. A lot of people buy a 12 gauge and get tube set for 20, 28, and 410 and shoot everything with one gun. In my case I shoot over and unders in 12 gauge and a 20/28 barrel set with the 410 bore tube in 20 barrels. Would like to see reviews on tube sets. My pals with 12 gauge and 410 tubes noticed a considerable difference in 20 gauge with 410 tubes in the smaller frame 20.
I had a lovely little franchetti 410 . It folded in half and was easy to carry while fencing, hedging , myriad things. Some rabbits , pheasies, fell down on front ofme and had to be warmed up in the oven 🤔
I remember hunting squirrels when I was a kid with a side by side 410. So much fun to shoot.
That is a dreamy gun finding anything nice for that price is hard i’ve been looking for something like that for a while.
This is a great video. As an American, your accents, and the content in general, is spot on. I love .410 I have even taken to reloading it. $1000 pounds seems like a lot for that, I can buy decent over unders used in .410 for around $600 USD- however, we do have better gun laws and better supply (usually). Though you are right, .410 ammo can be hard to find and expensive at times
I have a Browning 425 with 30” barrels and it’s a very addictive gun ! If you can get some Winchester AA’s Super Sports in 410 over there it’s an absolute game changer. They are the ONLY 410 shells that I shoot.
You just sold me on the AYA #4. Now I've got to find one.
I still own an old savage bolt action 410. The problem is I can’t find ammo. I wanted to reload but I couldn’t find primers or hulls.
One of my favorite calibers. I love my.410
I love the 410. In December I'm going to buy another 410, Beretta 2 barrel set, 28 and 410.
I had a ruger 410 semi when I lived in Texas loved dove hunting with my retrievers
The .410 is my ALL TIME favorite gauge
Ammo certainly not cheap! 😮
As a kid I was lucky enough to have a dad who loves firearms. We had a couple of .410 variations. Really fun firearm for a kid. Rabbits, foxes etc, just perfect.
I think that will stay in your cabinet, as you enthuse over it, how often you shoot it should be the bet/question!😂 Have to say, I love taking my .410 out once in a while, as it’s just pure joy as there is no expectation to hit anything so I’m happy when I do. Now contemplating getting a couple of slabs of 18g size 8 and doing the .410 champs next year.
410's were real common here in Australia back in the old days, they were primarily a house gun used by the lady of the house on deadly snakes like the Eastern Brown.
I had 12 bores, but I always loved my bolt action 410...just liked the size of cartridge too.. Would be nice to see the shot pattern at different ranges...
I used to shoot a friends SxS AYA .410 and it was surprisingly good , wanted a .410 of my own ever since but like you say decent one's are decent money.
It needs a Silvers pad 👍.
Whereas an old Webley...🤣
Can’t find any four-ten ammo except birdshot.
I have a 410 pump, good gun for close grouse and squirrels and little else. I have it's matching serial number in 20 gauge so they're a set. They're both fun to shoot but for any serious shooting I shoot one of my 12 gauge shotty's.
When I was a kid, I started with a single shot .410 dove hunting and couldn’t upgrade until I hit a bag limit with it. A lot of sad rides home from the dove field.
my first gun was a single shot iver Johnson 410 when i was 8,im 45 now and even though i have 20s and 12s that little 410 is still the one i grab 80 percent of the time
You know there are inexpensive semiauto 410 guns. You are correct we grow up hunting with them. I love them, they’re time machines that take you back to childhood for a brief moment.
My first shotgun was an H&R Topper .410. The problem came when I went to the hardware store to buy a box of 25 Shells of either 2.5" or 3" and then looked a the boxes of 20 gauge, or 12 gauge with a price that was within a dollar. Thus the only way a .410 makes sense is to reload.
That's a beautifully made shotgun. I didnt have the best success when I was given the single barrel as my first shotgun. I was deadly on squirrels but doves were frustrating at best. When my daughter reached the age and responsibility to begin hunting with me I found a youth model single in 20 gauge that shes handling fine.
WOW! I want one.
Bought a beautiful case hardened Huglu over and under for £450 at the Game Fair 2 years ago and it is awesome!!!!!
I owed 165 .410’s so I know them pretty well. My gun of choice was the Winchester Model 42. You can see my collection on here if you go to Winchester Model 42 collectors. It was on TV too.
My .410 is a No. 1 mk 3 Enfield converted to a single shot shotgun in India. Rechambered to 3" .410 by the importer. Need to get another .410 repeater after my oldest daughter moved out and took the old Stevens bolt action repeater with her.
I hunt with a 410 a good bit. And I find 7-1/2's throw a better pattern for the distance that a 410 can fill.
My papaw used to use the .410 and his hunting buddies would always rib him about it since they all used 12ga. But he was outshooting them.
I started with a four ten bolt action terrific wee gun ❤
Definitely a nice looking little gun!!
mossberg 500 hushpower, i find that bit extra weight out the front make the difference at slowing down the swing, you do get some funny looks walking round the clay ground with it over your shoulder tho 😆
Fantastic for grouse. Taken dozens myself. Works great for Turkey as well, contrary to popular opinion. Wingshooting? Gonna be tough, at least for me.
very nice. I just got a chiappa triple crown 410
I love my sabatti 410 over/under
I have the moss berg pump 410 with a suppressor its and awesome gun and great on the wood pigeon
I watch all your videos and I know you have been to the USA. I am wondering why I haven’t seen you shoot a round of skeet or trap . I would also like to suggest maybe shooting a tubed gun (410,28,and 20) . Look at the NSSA it is all over the world and very competitive. I am hooked now for 20 years.
I've had 410s for years but have always been frustrated by the lack of choice when it comes to loads. My gun is chambered for 2 1/2-inch cartridges but all the main manufacturers offer nothing smaller than No.6 shot. I regard the 410 as a short-range weapon and would really appreciate using No.9 shot to give a denser, more even pattern, with fewer gaping holes in it. I know - I should load my own but, like Johnny, I don't have the patience for it!
Winchester offers 7.5 and 9 shot
Thanks for that. I'll see if my local dealer can get hold of some@@johnvradenburg192
Several years ago I was hunting quail with a Turkish .410 at a private plantation in South Carolina. The owner, who was a long time friend, said I wasn’t getting “good” kills. I shot back - “They’re going down aren’t they.” Finally, a quail got out about 40 yards over a stand of pines, pulled the trigger and rolled it up. I turned around and just shrugged and said “Was that a “good” kill?” The fact is on bird - kill bird with whatever gauge you’re shooting.
I shoot my .410 more than any of my other guns now on clays and pigeon. Cartridge selection is very important and so is patterning them. I still shoot game with my 20 but would love to take the .410 out on a full game day