The 3 Best heroes to learn each role!
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Игры
Position 5: Jakiro, Crystal Maiden, Ogre Magi
Position 4: Hoodwink, Tusk, Earthshaker
Posiiton 3: Legion Commander, Lycan, Necrophos
Position 2: Leshrac, Tiny, Any 3 Spirits (Ember recommended)
Position 1: Wraith King, Luna, Terrorblade
TB 2 learn pos 1? Whaaaa?
Timestamps
01:05 - Safe lane support (Position 5)
04:32 - Hard lane support (Position 4)
06:43 - Offlane (Position 3)
10:28 - Midlane (Position 2)
13:10 - Carry (Position 1)
thanks :)
Valve should add you as the next agility hero :). Thanks to both BSJ for making this incredible piece of content and you. ❤️❤️
Take my like good sir
You forgot about role 6: jungler
Teach us about team compositions.
By that I mean everything hahahah :
* Generic team compositions and how they behave. How to form such a composition in the draft ? How to identify the team comp while in the draft / How to counter the enemy picks (this was covered in your video from before).
* For what to look in the draft (so for each role you have an option which playstyle we lack/I need to cover and. So 3 or more playstyles , of course more but you get the general idea).
* How does the team's timing strength depend based from the picked composition or carry & support synergy.
Thank you
An underrated hero for the 4/5 position no matter the patch has got to be Shadow Shaman for me. The hero can teach you so much in that position such as positioning, target focus/cc, tower pushing, roshan timings, ratting, space making etc. He has everything that you could want as a support really and is pretty easy to start spamming at little risk. Ive played 100 games of shaman straight and he is easily my favorite hero of all time to play in any patch or position.
What's shadow shaman. I only know techies...
BSJ called picking SS 5 as "griefing" in a recent video, so I don't think he'd pick him as an example lol
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What is your rank?
@@Cain_69 legend 3
Shadow Shaman has my highest winrate. I love how hard he hits with right-clicks in the laning stage. And the healing from Shackles is a really nice little buff.
Amazing content! I've been playing dota for years, never going over the 4k threshhold. Been thinking about getting a bit tryhard and push back to that 4k line, mainly playing pos 5-3. Thanks a lot!
wait this isnt jenkins
pos5-4 playing them well require super high iq. it's frustrating to know that you aren't doing well while you are playing. the skill cap for those roles are so high and that's why I always avoid playing them. to avoid my own frustration.
pos3: sk, seer, tide, axe, mars. i feel like I can do every flex there is with especially sand king and dark seer.
pos2: the opponent is VERY likely to be more skilled than me so it's best to avoid playing that.
pos1: luna, pl, naix, ursa, jugg. can play sacrificial, can get greedy, can play the objective, can jack off in jungle. can always call to end the game, can always play for the next fight
Oh wow. I always play pos4-5 because I felt that 3,2 and 1 have the most impact through the game and I'm not confident and don't want to flunk those roles.
Bear in mind I'm just a noob so getting a nice play with bane is enough to give me a taste of heaven
@@tfk2328 Pos 4-5 have very little resources, so their plays have a lot less room for mistakes. You die 5+ times midgame and you basically can't even enter a fight anymore cause you will die from enemy glancing at you. And if you take more farm to catch up in exp and get those items for survivabilty you might grief your cores especially if your team is restricted in space to farm already
At core role you basically need to learn a hero (same depth as support) and learn to not waste time when u could be farming. Also to not fuck up first 5-10 minutes of lasthitting and after that it just the same dota
Very informative. You so good man!
I just got back to playing dota 2 and I am shocked at all of the changes.
I'd love a more detailed guide of any of the supports. Thanks for the great video!
I haven't played in 8 years. Just getting back to the game now because I have more free time IRL. These videos are coming at the perfect time for me. Thanks for helping the new players.
Just please don’t start playing ranked.
@@milklover28308 years? He’s gonna have to play 100 hours unranked to unlock it anyway. Just relax. Even if he did play ranked and get in your game you just need to focus on yourself. It’s not your team that’s holding you back bro
@@jonathanlawrence6868 holding back from what? most people dont play ranked to become pros. They play it to get more or less evenly matched teams with may be slowly improving as a bonus.
Congrats on the win against Arkosh. Super fun to follow u guys play!
have they qualified? forgot to watch lol
@@purpleenthusiast5814 not yet, today they play upper bracket semis and they need top 2 to qualify
@@xdelbarrio will they stream it and when?
@@ggezlolxd yesterday they didnt stream, and I watched a bit of BSJ stream after and he said they think they play better without streaming so I think they wont stream their perspectives today
Their games will still be streamed by a caster Im pretty sure, I think fear was actually streaming yesterday games and slacks too but that was more for the arkosh vs ex-arkosh thing
For the time of the games Im not sure, I would check liquidpedia or reddit which I think has a post with the times
@@xdelbarrio thank you 💙
Thanks BSJ this is sick I’ve wanted this for some time my supports are close enough some are different but now I feel more comfortable dabbling with carry
Hi i decided to switch from LoL to Dota 2 and your videos are very helpful ! Thanks for your awesome job man !. A lot have changed in dota 2 since that video, is this list still relevant ? Especially for pos 2 and pos 1 ?
dear bsj thank you so much for the every single piece of educational content you make sense it helps new and old players alike in a lot of different ways
please keep up the amazing work . and thank you so much for your efforts ^_^
I just started playing DotA a month ago, I switched over from League after 10 years. I feel like I've been doing pretty good because of my moba experience but there's a lot I still need to learn. I'm currently playing all the heroes I haven't played yet A-Z so I can have a basic understanding of what they all do. Would you be interested in a coaching session? I think it would be good content to see how well a 10 year League veteran can do in DotA as a new player.
Fell like pos 3 is missing the "well I suck at laning but we get them in the midgame" big teamfight heroes that teach u to play around ultimates
Also I feel like jugg should be on the carry list cause jugg is the single. most forgiving hero for New players.
Big fan... Learned a lottttt from you
I ain't never heard nobody pronounce "magi" like that
really?
@@Nesot yeah, it's pronounced "MAH-jy" the plural of "magus"
I call him Ogre McGee as a goof, but I agree Majai is a weird pronunciation
I pronounce maggi
@@GadBoDag well he calls himself mahjai so yeah
Would love to see a guide on visage!
so these are not to be confused with "top 3 best heroes for each role this patch" but overall good to have in hero pool and for teaching you dota concepts
Gotta love the way BSJ pronounces Ogre Magi lmao
That leshrac smoke clip was nuts.
Please make an Ember guide!
For offlane i would have put someone in there who is a tank. whether it be BB, Cent, Mars or Tide. All pretty straight forward.
I think Sf is still underrated tbh in mid lane. Usually before sf really had issues with scaling later into the game cuz he had no mobility. But rn his lvl 25 talent (attack damage +raze) just makes it waay more viable especially with arcane blink. Yes I'm archon and not some divine/immo player. But for those who want to gain MMR through mid lane then play sf. Having a 15 win streak with the hero.
Just build threads Lance/sb(depends if ur crushing) bkb silver/daedelus(depending on line up) arcane blink. U get arcane blink by the time u get 25. Then u get a hex. Blow people up. Literally 2 razes kill supports.
Disclaimer: this build is only for people below divine skill level.
What helped me to learn about roles is to play one hero in all five positions and adapt itemization/skillbuild accordingly. For me it's VS, but I guess there are some others out there that could work as well.
I think very few heroes would work as well as VS if you gotta take them to all five positions.
recipe for a disaster :) try cm as a carry and get ready to lose a game :)
died 7 times in the first 12minutes of my last game as Naga ...but once i had manta and travel boots i pretty much pushed lanes to victory .Was being flamed by my pos3 and mid full time , with reason we won but i ended the game with 0k 7d 13a and 980xpm 800gmp....i still need to understand how to not die on naga tbh 😐
I'm not sure about Tusk for low level pos 4. Maybe it's good for teaching the fundamentals, but expect to lose a lot. Honestly, at low levels I think pos 4 should just be a tankier pos 5 with some split push. Tree or shadow shaman maybe.
Agreed
Agreed. Pos 4 at low levels is basically just a pos 5 who buys fewer wards
I think out of the roamer melee 4's tiny is the easiest but it's probably different for everyone
Bsj could you make a guide on ember spirit?
I really enjoyed your videos, thanks for helping me be a better dota2 player and increase my MMR.
Great list but surprised not to see any teamfight / initiator archetype 3s in the list e.g. Mars or Axe. Not only are they fun to play, I'd say that's a pretty important skill for offlaners who are learning the game.
Isn't Legion just that?
Inlove with your works
what about snowball carry heroes like CK and Ursa?
this is a really excellent video!
Is the intro music by sweeps?
Tide? Big ult boii that is almost guaranteed to get it off. Great for beginners to the role or game
Wow! awesome video fartsj haha Pls do a carry guide for Terrorblade plsss
What weapon are those on terror blade?
Hey BSJ, how does ogre clear creep waves?
The background for this video is my wallpaper and I got really confused for a bit
I have tried Ember Spirit for about 30games now. I just cannot make this hero work
how did u get that map look?
What about Ursa for pos 1 & Slardar for pos 3?
As a relatively new player myself I would never recommend Lycan or Legion to new players. Lycan's micro and Legion's large amount of active use items make them fairly difficult for new players. For experienced players learning the role, sure.
As a Pango Spammer, I can understand why he isn't here, but I would have loved to see him mentioned for 2, 3 or 4
thanks Wagamama
I find Dark Seer best Jungler for a while now
Dear BSJ, are these hero suggestions still relevant with the new map changes introduced recently?
Oh geR MAJay
thank you
How do u play TB in these patches? I find him almost unplayable. The lane is strong, but into mid to late game, all his damage ability is the 50 damage from the metamorph. And that's all, he doesnt have blink either. Sunder cant do shit to BKB and lotus. This hero must play actively and win early to mid game.
hmm no utility aura builders in pos3 like tide
Going by this video, Spiritbreaker should be the strongest mid pick of all time.
Never leave lane on 5
This should be Dota2 bible.
Pos5/4 in archon to legend
Hide in base when games starting hard
And blaming core to die alot while trying to farm
wow Necrophos is really a risky choice, i'd always rather go viper
I think your last two recommendations for pos 2 are bad. tiny and the spirits get harassed out of lane too easily and have too many bad matchups. sure they can pop off, but it requires too much skill imo. they are also ganker heroes, which means you can to rely on your allies to some degree, and if you miss or mess up ganks you can straight out lose your lane to a hero (like lesh) that just farmed and pushed your t1 down. You also need a good balance of ganking movements and farming to make these heroes work.
It would be redundant, but honestly i would recommend necro to a new mid player, for the same reasons he is good as pos 3. Many common pos 3's are actually more reliable for pos 2, compared to the flimsy, high skill spirits. strength heroes especially can make the lane much more forgiving e.g. DK and his endless regen. Reminder: this is in the context of suggestions to a new player, of course tiny and the spirits are amazing heroes for the role, depending on the situation.
nice video sir
why does razor and riki belongs to "Get out of my games"? 😅
check explanation in bsj Hero Tier list video from yesterday
riki support is broken
had time to watch the entire video before i got a game :(
I feel like micro-ing illusion hero’s is the big step for most players in this game. I haven’t tried any of them, because they frankly seem way more difficult to take advantage of than a “normal” hero. I look forward to the day I master Naga (or even attempt) as being able to split push like that is OBVIOUSLY the most powerful thing in a game like this. One day I’ll understand how to control multiple illusions 😊
Show the items you are talking about.
I don’t know man Ogre usage in lower ranks are kinda hit or miss. Most ogre support, if I don’t play him, kinda misuses him and resorts to farming and becoming a core rather than being a pure support.
One could say he Lycan him alot, I'll see myself out.
Since you were hovering over it, I wish you recommended Ember Spirit pos 4 over maelstrom Hoodwink
Go for wex Invoker 4, suuuuuure
I bet this was really helpful but I’m a moron and am still lost as can be
why u call my boi ogre majai 😆
I disagree with mid sf and invoker should be on it cuz miracle plays it and miracle it’s he best dota player in the world kuro is holding him back if nigma didn’t have kuro nigma would of won all the tis from ti9
ogre majay!!!!
Ogre my guy
ogre majai enjoyer here
M’Ogre (tips Fluffy Hat)
Fart fart fart
Bad language
omg do not advertise necro3, you dont even know how badly low mmr goes with those offlane necro, naked radi first builds :(
what I love: play "unloved" heroes like SD,. very often ppl are not used to playing against them regularly - and especially with Q you can surprise over eager carries quite a bit
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Who is BSJ's DOTA waifu? Can anyone guess? hehe...😉
yeah no, i gues ill stick to the new pokemon unite lol to much stuff
missed opportunity 'what im likin about lycan'