so true, especially these dumb europe servers, cuz i main pos4-5 i set them up good then go to gank other lanes and tell them, they dive solo and still die like tf??
1) Buy stats and regen to win trades and enable your carry 2) Always block their big camp and unblock your small camp 3) Trade with pos 4 if you are stronger. If not - harass their pos 3 4) Half pull 2-3 creeps on small camp if lane is pushed 5) 2:40 Prepare to get lotus 6) 5:00 Look for places where you can rotate and help your teammates 7) 5:40 Prepare to help get the power rune 8) 6:30 Prepare to go for enemy wisdom rune if you have a stun
Another tip that doesn't necessarily fit the "laning phase" but will get you a lot of mmr: STOP straight tp'ing after respawning. SAVE your TPs! You may not be fully aware how important this is, but seriously, it makes the game easier for you and your teammates. THINK for a moment. CHECK MAP: is any other lane at risk in the let's say 0 to 30 secs due to potential rotations? (specially when enemy cores reach lvl 6, dangerous runes, etc.) - IF yes, WALK back to YOUR lane. - IF you see HIGH risk at say offlane and you somehow figured out say mid lane is coming to gank, TP there already! - IF you are not sure what lane is at high risk AND you know you tp'ing back to your lane makes no difference, just WALK anywhere you see fit better, at least you have your TP ready. Basically, try to save your TP as much as you can. You may only insta tp back to your lane on very very early game.
For Me as a support player on low mmr your video helped me to think more about supporting and how to do it right thank you for your commenting and telling about what moves they do and for what !
another thing to note, the type of carry is also important, if your carry is a natural pusher such as naga or you pick a support warlock, i personally don’t recommend blocking their camp since your gonna need it yourself because thhe waves are always constantly gonna be pushed in
why would u want to push the lanes at the first place as warlock and naga? if u clear the waves so fast, enemy will have free waves. the idea is to reduce the offlane impact while ur farming
@@kiploism normally no one would want to push the lanes, but naga or walrock or jakiro will inevitably push the waves due to their abilities (maybe jakiro not if they use their skills without affecting the wave) but for naga its really inevitable, if she wants to harass enemies she will have to send illusions at them and hit the wave constantly to keep proc riptides, but regardless of that she is a hero that can clear jungle and a wave at the same time at minute 4 if she has a decent or a winning matchup. if her matchup is good you now harrasing the enemy and getting all the wave and also farming a jungle at the same time so yes you may be pushing the wave but also farming jungle at the same time while they are being harassed and only getting lane creeps sry for long reply but i had to explain all the details
@@kiploism and the solution to that is my main comment itself, don’t block the big camp because your gonna use it to kill your own wave or at least deny two of your creeps, the lane will restart to being close to ur tower and gonna harass and farm the wave witht procing riptides and rinse and repeat, im not a pro or immortal player but im sying all this because i am an advanced naga player myself
Came here as a warlock spammer, don't block the hard camp. Maybe at first but if it expires or they deward it it's fine. Let them pull and then fatal bonds the enemy to all the creeps and then upheaval. Watch offlane explode. Sure, your carry might have missed a wave but now the offlaner is dead or low HP and can't even touch a creep.
That’s why ench is favored by pro player, you can destroy early game with limited support item, you have free heal and every time the enemy try to pull, you just enchant the creep and farm them without spending 50 gold to prevent that
@@Personnoname114pros actually block their own hard camp against ench or they will get fucked. the time for ench to walk to another camp to get a creep is important
Love these! Would love one on playing the lane as a meele support, especially vs ranged heroes! I've always struggled laning/positioning in sitations like that
Will make sure to add that to the list Generally this one is either about 1) soaking pressure with heroes like undying or 2) if you play tusk, you want to use fog a lot and try to apply pressure with tag team or lvlup timings to get kills
I like this Dota how-to more than many others. It's short and straight to the point - IDK mf's out there thinking posting an entire 50 minute match is helpful (it's the equivalent of 'hey you wanna go be good? just watch me play'). Your video did something they also don't normally do; you provide insight as to why you do things and what goes through your mind. TY!
Thank you so much this is great! Staying active as pos 5 and helping other lanes is what I love about the new size of the map and the objectives. Would be great to know when to pull and how to do half pull. I tend to not pull so much as I prioritize harassing the enemy instead
Nice!! So easy to do and so to the point. Thanks for the tips - it's worth its weight in gold! I would love to see a short guide like this for every role :)
good job i searched a lot for play early lane@@KheZu . Maybe a single pull to push wave naturally min2. ward at 5-6 min top left of bountry rune to see roaming enemies woud complete this a bit more. Maybe when carry goes woods single pull to farm under tower for safety cause it will push wave but who cares you just want the gold xp safe under tower. When leave core eg axe with vanguard so you need leave him maybe. mm if catapults are in other lane you go push . Maybe just leaving commend here if anyone sees. I dont know what is missing im trying to figure it out.
Hey! I know this is an old video, but just wanted to drop my appreciation still. Very informative video, while still keeping it short and simple. Good memes too. Thanks!
First thing I had to say as a response to this video is that it caters only to people in the higher skill bracket. If you commit so much gold to supporting in lower brackets, you're going to find yourself losing in every single game, with a few exceptions. The reason for this is that pos 1 and 2 in higher skill brackets can take full advantage of rotations and pulls to pull ahead of their opponent laners. Every advantage created will result in a positive outcome. However, I can guarantee that if a WR went mid in the lower skill brackets, did exactly what Sneyking did, DP would not have died because the follow-up from Invoker and NP would've been non-existent. This is simply because they lack the presence of mind and/skill of players in a higher bracket. You would've achieved nearly nothing, your pos 1 would've died after being left alone for over 30 secs and you would now be at a gold and exp disadvantage against the opponent pos 3 and 4. All advice isn't good advice for everyone and it's prudent to consider all factors before trying to inculcate something new. Dependance on your pos 1 and 2 should increase proportionately with MMR.
i dont fully understand your first point if you use so much gold on supporting its not good for you? These starting items are nearly the best for every lane, no matter what your carry does. You should always look to who you can help most, but with this attitude youre not going to get very far i think ideally you want to give yourself the best possible chance to win any game 👍 Its not just your carry who can take Advantage of a won lane, you can too. Try it!
main point for me being, this video is for any mmr 😅 but you can skip some of the points if you think they are less likely to work, hope the other ones are useful though
@@KheZu It's quite tedious to have to explain something so obvious but it displays what was already clearly apparent in your videos. You don't seem to understand factors beyond what you see in a skill bracket of players who are practiced and efficient. Most of your tips are largely useless in the lower skill brackets. If Dota 2 was such a simple game as to the extent your subpar intelligence can comprehend, everyone in every skill bracket who used your strategy would win their lane, which is a statistical impossibility. Carries are not always good, and you will lose the game against a support that chose to make items like Rod of Atos or Aether Lens over spending it all on support items. They understand that carries in their skill bracket are nowhere near capable enough to carry 4 other people, a concept outside of your capability of understanding. You seem to think of Dota as an ideal world where every pos 1 and 2 will do nothing wrong, which is incredibly stupid. Learn to see things more than what they are at face value. You won't go very far otherwise.
This is a very solid advice. I'm currently on an 11 game winning streak just by abusing this trick. I go into games just dedicated to not let the enemy offlane get the hard camp. Just keep blocking the camp until minute 5 mark where most of the time my pos 1 is ready to jungle and just dip in an out of lane to catch creepwave
Amazing. I've been loving venge in pos5 recently. Her early stats are actually insane so you can trade favourably or even kill most pos4 supps in many cases. Armor reduction from her W helps to harrass any tanky offlaners like Axe. You have stun that can help turn fights if they dive tower bot. And once your carry has a bit of farm & is setup in lane, go roam and get kills with stun in other lanes. If executed properly you can win safe lane for your carry giving them a great start and have a positive impact on offlane as well. 2/3 lanes in good position should set you up to take mid game and eventually win. To scale the hero into mid & late game, look at what your team needs. Move speed? Build drums into boots of bearing. Saves? Build solar crest. Up against tanky heroes? Build urn into vessel and shred HP. If all else fails, build hurricane pike into aghs and become a right clicking core with 2 lives 😂 Honestly she's so versatile I love it.
Venge is a great hero rn, all spells are good, good stats and good trading + As you said good itemization tempo with drums/vlads scaling with aghs counter tempo with vessel also remember Rosh
Amazing content KheZu, we all really appreciate it! Could you make a video explaining how to play the midgame as a support? I'm good at following your tips in the laning phase and I win most of my lanes, but I feel completely lost in the midgame. I feel like I always make the wrong decision. For example - If I smoke with my mid/offlaner, we get wiped more often than not.
I already have a little bit of a followup ready for the future. Before uploading , since it will take a long time, ill try to give you quick advice Generally you can 2 modes in Dota which keep fluctuating back and forth Agressive and defensive You are skywrath/snapfire/grim, most of the time u wanna play agro and help get kills with your mid or offlaner if they are ready. inbetween cooldowns you can play defensive and protect your cores or place wards If you are a hero like SD/venge/warlock and there are no agro plays currently, look to enable your cores by helping them farm (break smokes, stack) untill theres a timing and go back to mode 1 (agro)
I only play pos 5 and most of the time playing solo. Saw this video when im still in Legends bracket. Tried to do things you said. Although not 100% in each game..but it helps a lot. Now im in divine bracket. Thanks man. 👍
You could also touch the topics of how better to use your resources on lane, on how to trade with pos 4 and when. How not to waste your spells sometimes, since that opens a window for enemy duo to kill you or your carry. Which items you priorities buying first minutes of laning etc. Great vid regardless
would love to see a video on how to position yourself in lane as melee support and other combinations of ranged-melee enemies. this was great but its a vacuum of ranged 5 vs melee 3
Best basic build for pos5 is for me: 1 set of tangoes, 2 sentries, stick, 2 branches and faerie fire. But there are couple of rules I figure out way, way too late in my dota life (6k games played). 1. 95% of games you dont need mana regen item from start of the game. You have full mana pool, and you have one spell, so you can't burn it all in 1-2 minutes in the game. 1st courier trip can handle it. 2. use your courier asap. Right after bounty runes you have extra approx 100-150 gold to play with. If you use it right away you have adventage 3. harrass is priority no.1 like 95% of the time. you can pull, you can last hit far away creep, but you MUST harras and trade hits. 4. Never underestimate additional regen. Don't try to save money on it. Get tangos, salve, clarity, mango in time, not when you are out and have like 20% of HP. 5. Infused Raindrop is BiS in 90% games as pos5 in early game. It gives you like 5-6 extra stenght worth of HP (bracer) in fight. And mana regen of sages mask. It is retarded how good it is.
Clear and concise Lesson, I want to know more about supports please, what build we need to do or what item is the best for every hero suport. Thanks😊😊😊❤
The level of play in different countries is different. In Russia, the 5th position buys one blue ward to unward the small camp, and block the big one with himself, then stack the small one at the second minute, pull the big one to the side to block it again. At the third minute, pull and collect a full pack
It's a little funny the shadow demon support, played by a pro, bought boots of speed first item (5:05) since the first seconds of clip starts with telling us how bad it is to do that. xd
Great tips. Now for reasons why some of this might not work: 1. Your carry trades and CSs poorly, so he's never ahead of the enemy offlaner even in a good lane. 2. Your carry needlessly walks out of position while you are half pulling, and dies. 3. The enemy p4 and p3 contest the lotus pool, killing you in the process if they have the right tools for it. 4. The enemy p4 also saw a youtube video and is working as hard at unblocking his camp and blocking yours. You get no half-pulls off. He's usually stronger and more mobile than you, and therefore is a constant threat when you move to the deep side where the camps are. 5. Minute 5 arrives and somehow the other 2 lanes have either been feeding kills or playing passive, so when you look around the map you see nowhere your assistance brings an advantage. 6. You managed to steal the enemy wisdom rune. Even more, you were not contested as the enemy p4 didn't arrive in time for the rune. Ironically your carry died under his own tower to a p3 + p4 dive after he ate a couple spells between minutes 6 and 7, and had not purchased any extra regen past the starting set of tangos. Your carry pings you aggressively. 7. The enemy p3 is now ahead on XP, possibly bordering on level 6. Your carry tps back into the lane (which is now a dead lane) and dies again to the p3 ultimate; despite the fact that you were beside him, trying to save him from his own misplay - or perhaps 'because' you were beside him, emboldening your carry who didn't calculate the risks involved in tping back into the dead lane instead of moving to the jungle (which he ends up doing after this second death anyway, but first he has to waste 2 minutes without farm or xp, and he has to tilt, and he has to ping you aggressively and hang the game on your 'mistakes'). The lower the bracket, the more your team will hold you back, especially when you rack up on game knowledge like this video provides. So, I like these tips, but there's only one universal tip for support players across all brackets below Divine: pick a hero that scales. Do your job, play your role, but make sure when the game goes past 30 minutes (as it invariably does) you still pose a threat.
I think you have some decent points, but dota is about how good YOU are, not your opponents (of course its a mixture of both) but the way youre writing, you make it sound like you have no way of doing anything IF the enemy pos 4 plays perfect. You need to play the situation. If you cant contest the lotus pool, then you cant and thats fine. just because the 4 is stronger doesnt mean he can always unblock the camp. Maybe you can push the wave? Walk over at :55 and place a new sentry Sometimes your other cores are bad, and thats totally fine, just find ways on YOUR OWN to have more impact game by game. Dont play through your weak heroes, play through your strong heroes Thanks for your long comment, I hope some of my points can help! ✌️
Video is great Only thing I sort of disagreed with was the hard stance against wind lace. I think in certain matchups it’s worth the early buy, particularly pubs where the opponents are often unhinged and less predictable as a result.
This is a great video! Just wanted to know if getting the wisdom rune is that much of a hindrance for the enemy if they end up killing you after you get it? That’s xp and gold for them after all
Danke für deinen Content KheZu. Bitte weiter so, kurz auf den Punkt gebracht und sehr informativ. Ich spiele selbst im 3 -4K Bereich und weis eigentlich alles was du eben erklärt hast. Aber manchmal laufen Spiele in diesem Bracket einfach total out of Order und ab und zu ist es dann schwierig diszipliniert zu sein, aber ich arbeite daran. Könntest du bitte mal ein Video übers warden machen? Und ich meine nicht early Game, das hast du ja schon gezeigt, sondern eher Richtung mid und End Game und in welchen Situationen was sinnvoll ist. Ich sehe viele Spieler die permanent Standard wards setzen die dann sofort wieder weg sind oder an den falschen Positionen wo sie die auch schon im early game schon hatten. Danke und Grüße aus Deutschland 🇩🇪
very helpful, makes me think what can and what should i do as pos 5, btw always played pos 1, so i actually understand what i want to see from my pos 5.
Amazing video once again, man you doing great! Please show us how to play as Pos 4 in regards to knowing what the enemy Pos 5 (as shown here) would do! ty
Another tip (which applies mostly only for low mmr) Harass the shit out of them. They don’t think about buying regen so even if you have less dmg on your hero you can fully fuck them out of lane without even having to pull any creeps spam harass abilities, get clarities or mangos to spam them out of lane in lvl 2-3 You also let your pos 1 get last hits and push creeps into enemy tower when enemies are out of lane and the opponents will have less xp and farm. Also put a ward down behind their t1 for easy to spot kill potential if they’re trash buying regen or waiting for couriers. You can now snipe couriers or get free kills as they usually wait with almost 0hp near lane Also best supports in low mmr: Techies (they don’t hit mines) Ogre magi (hand of midas if you see your offlaner sucks). Abbadon/Io/Oracle for the same reason. Almost no one in low mmr thinks of prio targets in a fight, which means oracle/Io and abbadon can save almost anything freely and spam cast behind. Disruptor, enemies don’t play around glimpse that well and their positioning usually sucks. Worst supports in low mmr: Lich, he needs good players to utilize frost shield, Jakiro- he needs something and someone good to synergize macropyre with. Mirana, they will not utilize her ult properly.
It was just yesterday that I suckwd so much in the game and wanted to take a break from it. Thanks for getting me back to the addiction. 😂 Support here😮
Dude i love your videos! Can you please do a tutorian on last hitting creeps and farming fast. What to do and not to do. Also can you teach us the dagger toss enemies to team mates and dagger skewer
What do u think about stacking the easy camp and just killing the whole wave? I usually half pull if the enemy lane is strong but if its weak i just try to stack and deny the entire wave
I play Dota for more then ten years now, and this is the first learning video I was able to watch and learn from excluding Jenkins of course. Please never stop? Love your videos so much, you are missing from this platform so hard! Cannot wait to show my wife so she can improve as well as she digest even harder these "learning" 6 day 3 hour 16 minute long analyzis videos
Mr. Khezu, can you make a video with compilation of "lost lanes/games" and what to do in those situations, in other terms "comeback story" ? Thank you in advance, Im enjoying your educational videos
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reality: You leave your carry on the lane to help elsewhere, your carry immediately dies
typical sea moments and then says "end" if they die lol
AHAHAHAH that's so true, that makes me cry😂
Make pull before leave your carry and he'll be fine under tower 🤓
so true, especially these dumb europe servers, cuz i main pos4-5 i set them up good then go to gank other lanes and tell them, they dive solo and still die like tf??
@@unknownsource1485 You still make SEA server jokes? When it is proven this things happen all around other servers ..
1) Buy stats and regen to win trades and enable your carry
2) Always block their big camp and unblock your small camp
3) Trade with pos 4 if you are stronger. If not - harass their pos 3
4) Half pull 2-3 creeps on small camp if lane is pushed
5) 2:40 Prepare to get lotus
6) 5:00 Look for places where you can rotate and help your teammates
7) 5:40 Prepare to help get the power rune
8) 6:30 Prepare to go for enemy wisdom rune if you have a stun
Perfect, now I can finally have a chance of winning when I get pos5 when I queue all roles.
KEKW
@@KheZu why no more videos
Clear, concise and not overwhelming
As someone who recently switched to support main, these are the things I'm trying to work and improve on
Another tip that doesn't necessarily fit the "laning phase" but will get you a lot of mmr:
STOP straight tp'ing after respawning. SAVE your TPs! You may not be fully aware how important this is, but seriously, it makes the game easier for you and your teammates.
THINK for a moment. CHECK MAP: is any other lane at risk in the let's say 0 to 30 secs due to potential rotations? (specially when enemy cores reach lvl 6, dangerous runes, etc.)
- IF yes, WALK back to YOUR lane.
- IF you see HIGH risk at say offlane and you somehow figured out say mid lane is coming to gank, TP there already!
- IF you are not sure what lane is at high risk AND you know you tp'ing back to your lane makes no difference, just WALK anywhere you see fit better, at least you have your TP ready.
Basically, try to save your TP as much as you can. You may only insta tp back to your lane on very very early game.
@@luishurtado2170the half pull is really where i'm struggling at. I always end up pulling the entire wave
For Me as a support player on low mmr your video helped me to think more about supporting and how to do it right thank you for your commenting and telling about what moves they do and for what !
another thing to note, the type of carry is also important, if your carry is a natural pusher such as naga or you pick a support warlock, i personally don’t recommend blocking their camp since your gonna need it yourself because thhe waves are always constantly gonna be pushed in
why would u want to push the lanes at the first place as warlock and naga? if u clear the waves so fast, enemy will have free waves. the idea is to reduce the offlane impact while ur farming
@@kiploism normally no one would want to push the lanes, but naga or walrock or jakiro will inevitably push the waves due to their abilities (maybe jakiro not if they use their skills without affecting the wave) but for naga its really inevitable, if she wants to harass enemies she will have to send illusions at them and hit the wave constantly to keep proc riptides, but regardless of that she is a hero that can clear jungle and a wave at the same time at minute 4 if she has a decent or a winning matchup. if her matchup is good you now harrasing the enemy and getting all the wave and also farming a jungle at the same time so yes you may be pushing the wave but also farming jungle at the same time while they are being harassed and only getting lane creeps
sry for long reply but i had to explain all the details
@@3arooshy465 the offlane still gonna fat if u give free waves
@@kiploism and the solution to that is my main comment itself, don’t block the big camp because your gonna use it to kill your own wave or at least deny two of your creeps, the lane will restart to being close to ur tower and gonna harass and farm the wave witht procing riptides and rinse and repeat, im not a pro or immortal player but im sying all this because i am an advanced naga player myself
Came here as a warlock spammer, don't block the hard camp. Maybe at first but if it expires or they deward it it's fine. Let them pull and then fatal bonds the enemy to all the creeps and then upheaval. Watch offlane explode. Sure, your carry might have missed a wave but now the offlaner is dead or low HP and can't even touch a creep.
It finally happened the pros have discovered the patented siractionslacks half pull
🥸 slacks god
What are saying, he's a toxic annoying woman-like nerd too? :(
SLACKS WHEN NEW VIDEO
Genuinely one of the most useful guides I've seen. Please do more like this for the other positions!
will do!
@@KheZu Hell yeah, can’t wait!
"there is no excuse". Meanwhile me ench level 3 with a big creep: i missed the part where that is my problem
@abdurrahim618 sometimes too far to walk there
If it's not your problem don't worry about it.. avoid the player gl next... That's just how it is...
That’s why ench is favored by pro player, you can destroy early game with limited support item, you have free heal and every time the enemy try to pull, you just enchant the creep and farm them without spending 50 gold to prevent that
@@Personnoname114pros actually block their own hard camp against ench or they will get fucked. the time for ench to walk to another camp to get a creep is important
The content is getting better and better, keep it up man!
saw this video... tried to do every thing as mentioned... our team lost in 25 mins.
on how many games tho? just 1?^^
You must not have done it then
This video was so frickin useful. How I've not known the proper lane position is beyond me. Thank you Khezu!
Wow. Never understood what should I do as pos five. the way you just explained it is pure value.
Your critical analysis and ability to highlight the takeaways is godlike. Thank you for this clean-and-pristine quality content
appreciate your comment
Clear and concise lesson 👌
Okay, I knew a lot of this already, but HALF-PULLING seems like a genuinely valid tactic. Thanks for putting stuff out like this!
Love these! Would love one on playing the lane as a meele support, especially vs ranged heroes! I've always struggled laning/positioning in sitations like that
Will make sure to add that to the list
Generally this one is either about 1) soaking pressure with heroes like undying or 2) if you play tusk, you want to use fog a lot and try to apply pressure with tag team or lvlup timings to get kills
Really helpful tips. Some are pure basics but we forget these little things that make all the difference.
I loved this video. It's just pure Khezu: friendly, straight to the point, ready to follow... Thanks khezu
Sneyking such a pro, at level 3 his Crystal Maiden becomes a Windranger
The best educational content out there rn, thanks bro
Man, your guides are on another top-tier level. Keep it up, my dude!
Thank you!
This is the best channel to have concise and easily applicable dota knowledge imo, thanks khezu.
This is straight up the best and most concise pos 5 guide I've ever seen. Nice 👍
I learned a lot more in this 6-min video than all those games I was on. Lol. Good stuff!
I like this Dota how-to more than many others. It's short and straight to the point - IDK mf's out there thinking posting an entire 50 minute match is helpful (it's the equivalent of 'hey you wanna go be good? just watch me play'). Your video did something they also don't normally do; you provide insight as to why you do things and what goes through your mind. TY!
Thank you so much this is great! Staying active as pos 5 and helping other lanes is what I love about the new size of the map and the objectives.
Would be great to know when to pull and how to do half pull. I tend to not pull so much as I prioritize harassing the enemy instead
Nice!! So easy to do and so to the point. Thanks for the tips - it's worth its weight in gold! I would love to see a short guide like this for every role :)
Will look to do that asap!
good job i searched a lot for play early lane@@KheZu . Maybe a single pull to push wave naturally min2. ward at 5-6 min top left of bountry rune to see roaming enemies woud complete this a bit more. Maybe when carry goes woods single pull to farm under tower for safety cause it will push wave but who cares you just want the gold xp safe under tower. When leave core eg axe with vanguard so you need leave him maybe. mm if catapults are in other lane you go push . Maybe just leaving commend here if anyone sees. I dont know what is missing im trying to figure it out.
Easiest subscribe of my life. Looking forward to more of your content, KheZu!
Thank you!
Hope to see you at dreamleague@@KheZu
Hey! I know this is an old video, but just wanted to drop my appreciation still. Very informative video, while still keeping it short and simple. Good memes too. Thanks!
This is perfect as I practice pos5 and maining support.
First thing I had to say as a response to this video is that it caters only to people in the higher skill bracket. If you commit so much gold to supporting in lower brackets, you're going to find yourself losing in every single game, with a few exceptions. The reason for this is that pos 1 and 2 in higher skill brackets can take full advantage of rotations and pulls to pull ahead of their opponent laners. Every advantage created will result in a positive outcome.
However, I can guarantee that if a WR went mid in the lower skill brackets, did exactly what Sneyking did, DP would not have died because the follow-up from Invoker and NP would've been non-existent. This is simply because they lack the presence of mind and/skill of players in a higher bracket. You would've achieved nearly nothing, your pos 1 would've died after being left alone for over 30 secs and you would now be at a gold and exp disadvantage against the opponent pos 3 and 4.
All advice isn't good advice for everyone and it's prudent to consider all factors before trying to inculcate something new. Dependance on your pos 1 and 2 should increase proportionately with MMR.
i dont fully understand your first point
if you use so much gold on supporting its not good for you?
These starting items are nearly the best for every lane, no matter what your carry does.
You should always look to who you can help most, but with this attitude youre not going to get very far
i think ideally you want to give yourself the best possible chance to win any game 👍
Its not just your carry who can take Advantage of a won lane, you can too. Try it!
main point for me being, this video is for any mmr 😅
but you can skip some of the points if you think they are less likely to work, hope the other ones are useful though
@@KheZu It's quite tedious to have to explain something so obvious but it displays what was already clearly apparent in your videos.
You don't seem to understand factors beyond what you see in a skill bracket of players who are practiced and efficient. Most of your tips are largely useless in the lower skill brackets. If Dota 2 was such a simple game as to the extent your subpar intelligence can comprehend, everyone in every skill bracket who used your strategy would win their lane, which is a statistical impossibility.
Carries are not always good, and you will lose the game against a support that chose to make items like Rod of Atos or Aether Lens over spending it all on support items. They understand that carries in their skill bracket are nowhere near capable enough to carry 4 other people, a concept outside of your capability of understanding. You seem to think of Dota as an ideal world where every pos 1 and 2 will do nothing wrong, which is incredibly stupid.
Learn to see things more than what they are at face value. You won't go very far otherwise.
Thank you Man! This Video with other Pos 5 videos help me out a lot
Someone I admire very much, you could call him a dota intellectual -- a titan--, once said "NEVER LEAVE LANE ON 5!!!".
Im new, does that mean at 5 min or as a position 5?
@@AlexJ-sv4ic pos 5
This is a very solid advice. I'm currently on an 11 game winning streak just by abusing this trick. I go into games just dedicated to not let the enemy offlane get the hard camp. Just keep blocking the camp until minute 5 mark where most of the time my pos 1 is ready to jungle and just dip in an out of lane to catch creepwave
Amazing. I've been loving venge in pos5 recently. Her early stats are actually insane so you can trade favourably or even kill most pos4 supps in many cases. Armor reduction from her W helps to harrass any tanky offlaners like Axe. You have stun that can help turn fights if they dive tower bot. And once your carry has a bit of farm & is setup in lane, go roam and get kills with stun in other lanes.
If executed properly you can win safe lane for your carry giving them a great start and have a positive impact on offlane as well. 2/3 lanes in good position should set you up to take mid game and eventually win.
To scale the hero into mid & late game, look at what your team needs. Move speed? Build drums into boots of bearing. Saves? Build solar crest. Up against tanky heroes? Build urn into vessel and shred HP.
If all else fails, build hurricane pike into aghs and become a right clicking core with 2 lives 😂
Honestly she's so versatile I love it.
Venge is a great hero rn, all spells are good, good stats and good trading
+ As you said good itemization
tempo with drums/vlads
scaling with aghs
counter tempo with vessel
also remember Rosh
Amazing content KheZu, we all really appreciate it! Could you make a video explaining how to play the midgame as a support? I'm good at following your tips in the laning phase and I win most of my lanes, but I feel completely lost in the midgame. I feel like I always make the wrong decision. For example - If I smoke with my mid/offlaner, we get wiped more often than not.
I already have a little bit of a followup ready for the future.
Before uploading , since it will take a long time, ill try to give you quick advice
Generally you can 2 modes in Dota which keep fluctuating back and forth
Agressive and defensive
You are skywrath/snapfire/grim, most of the time u wanna play agro and help get kills with your mid or offlaner if they are ready. inbetween cooldowns you can play defensive and protect your cores or place wards
If you are a hero like SD/venge/warlock and there are no agro plays currently, look to enable your cores by helping them farm (break smokes, stack) untill theres a timing and go back to mode 1 (agro)
more support episodes likes this would be awesome, thank you
will do!
Thanks bro, whoever can play pos 5, is a a really good at pos 1 / 2 ❤
True
I do both pos1 and 5
I only play pos 5 and most of the time playing solo. Saw this video when im still in Legends bracket. Tried to do things you said. Although not 100% in each game..but it helps a lot. Now im in divine bracket. Thanks man. 👍
You could also touch the topics of how better to use your resources on lane, on how to trade with pos 4 and when. How not to waste your spells sometimes, since that opens a window for enemy duo to kill you or your carry. Which items you priorities buying first minutes of laning etc. Great vid regardless
would love to see a video on how to position yourself in lane as melee support and other combinations of ranged-melee enemies. this was great but its a vacuum of ranged 5 vs melee 3
Would love more content on supports: how to play after min 7?)
pretty helpfull, especially part about timings and pull - half-pull, thanks
Bro amazing content! Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
Quality Content! The video is short but includes all the important tips. That's what I was looking for. 👌
Best basic build for pos5 is for me: 1 set of tangoes, 2 sentries, stick, 2 branches and faerie fire. But there are couple of rules I figure out way, way too late in my dota life (6k games played).
1. 95% of games you dont need mana regen item from start of the game. You have full mana pool, and you have one spell, so you can't burn it all in 1-2 minutes in the game. 1st courier trip can handle it.
2. use your courier asap. Right after bounty runes you have extra approx 100-150 gold to play with. If you use it right away you have adventage
3. harrass is priority no.1 like 95% of the time. you can pull, you can last hit far away creep, but you MUST harras and trade hits.
4. Never underestimate additional regen. Don't try to save money on it. Get tangos, salve, clarity, mango in time, not when you are out and have like 20% of HP.
5. Infused Raindrop is BiS in 90% games as pos5 in early game. It gives you like 5-6 extra stenght worth of HP (bracer) in fight. And mana regen of sages mask. It is retarded how good it is.
This was so good. You a goat, KheZu :D
Clear and concise Lesson, I want to know more about supports please, what build we need to do or what item is the best for every hero suport. Thanks😊😊😊❤
Мегахарош, лучший гайд на ютубе на данное время, спасибо)
That was awesome, getting back at dota, contents like this helps a lot
Bro this clip was awesome ty .please bring more of these ❤❤
Actually I was looking for a guide like to this from a pro player, good content 😮
3:10 "You are getting more Gold & Experience"
My brain:
GOLDEN EXPERIENCE, JOJO REFERENCE 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 💯💯
Thank you! Been struggling to gain MMR here in Guardian rank 😅 this is a big help!
The level of play in different countries is different.
In Russia, the 5th position buys one blue ward to unward the small camp, and block the big one with himself, then stack the small one at the second minute, pull the big one to the side to block it again. At the third minute, pull and collect a full pack
damn, that was quick and very informative, we need more like this, thank you!
This is the best 5 pos tutorial, that I’ve ever seen!
It's a little funny the shadow demon support, played by a pro, bought boots of speed first item (5:05) since the first seconds of clip starts with telling us how bad it is to do that. xd
Incredible guide. Thank you so much. Could you explain what to do after minute seven as well?
Will be a follow up video on this topic soon!
Great tips.
Now for reasons why some of this might not work:
1. Your carry trades and CSs poorly, so he's never ahead of the enemy offlaner even in a good lane.
2. Your carry needlessly walks out of position while you are half pulling, and dies.
3. The enemy p4 and p3 contest the lotus pool, killing you in the process if they have the right tools for it.
4. The enemy p4 also saw a youtube video and is working as hard at unblocking his camp and blocking yours. You get no half-pulls off. He's usually stronger and more mobile than you, and therefore is a constant threat when you move to the deep side where the camps are.
5. Minute 5 arrives and somehow the other 2 lanes have either been feeding kills or playing passive, so when you look around the map you see nowhere your assistance brings an advantage.
6. You managed to steal the enemy wisdom rune. Even more, you were not contested as the enemy p4 didn't arrive in time for the rune. Ironically your carry died under his own tower to a p3 + p4 dive after he ate a couple spells between minutes 6 and 7, and had not purchased any extra regen past the starting set of tangos. Your carry pings you aggressively.
7. The enemy p3 is now ahead on XP, possibly bordering on level 6. Your carry tps back into the lane (which is now a dead lane) and dies again to the p3 ultimate; despite the fact that you were beside him, trying to save him from his own misplay - or perhaps 'because' you were beside him, emboldening your carry who didn't calculate the risks involved in tping back into the dead lane instead of moving to the jungle (which he ends up doing after this second death anyway, but first he has to waste 2 minutes without farm or xp, and he has to tilt, and he has to ping you aggressively and hang the game on your 'mistakes').
The lower the bracket, the more your team will hold you back, especially when you rack up on game knowledge like this video provides.
So, I like these tips, but there's only one universal tip for support players across all brackets below Divine: pick a hero that scales. Do your job, play your role, but make sure when the game goes past 30 minutes (as it invariably does) you still pose a threat.
I think you have some decent points, but dota is about how good YOU are, not your opponents (of course its a mixture of both)
but the way youre writing, you make it sound like you have no way of doing anything IF the enemy pos 4 plays perfect.
You need to play the situation. If you cant contest the lotus pool, then you cant and thats fine.
just because the 4 is stronger doesnt mean he can always unblock the camp.
Maybe you can push the wave? Walk over at :55 and place a new sentry
Sometimes your other cores are bad, and thats totally fine, just find ways on YOUR OWN to have more impact game by game.
Dont play through your weak heroes, play through your strong heroes
Thanks for your long comment, I hope some of my points can help! ✌️
Thnak you so fkng much!!!! these are the tips & guide we newbies need to improve in the game!!!
Video is great
Only thing I sort of disagreed with was the hard stance against wind lace. I think in certain matchups it’s worth the early buy, particularly pubs where the opponents are often unhinged and less predictable as a result.
Incredible level of content my guy 🤌
thank you! 🥹
This type of content really helps! Thanks
This is a great video! Just wanted to know if getting the wisdom rune is that much of a hindrance for the enemy if they end up killing you after you get it? That’s xp and gold for them after all
Danke für deinen Content KheZu. Bitte weiter so, kurz auf den Punkt gebracht und sehr informativ. Ich spiele selbst im 3 -4K Bereich und weis eigentlich alles was du eben erklärt hast. Aber manchmal laufen Spiele in diesem Bracket einfach total out of Order und ab und zu ist es dann schwierig diszipliniert zu sein, aber ich arbeite daran. Könntest du bitte mal ein Video übers warden machen? Und ich meine nicht early Game, das hast du ja schon gezeigt, sondern eher Richtung mid und End Game und in welchen Situationen was sinnvoll ist. Ich sehe viele Spieler die permanent Standard wards setzen die dann sofort wieder weg sind oder an den falschen Positionen wo sie die auch schon im early game schon hatten. Danke und Grüße aus Deutschland 🇩🇪
yes yes yes we need tons of pos 5 contents mr khezu pls
haven't even watched yet and GOD BLESS YOU KHEZU!!
very helpful, makes me think what can and what should i do as pos 5, btw always played pos 1, so i actually understand what i want to see from my pos 5.
Im a new player, and this video made my experience so much better, thanks for it
REALLY helpful! thanks! would love to know more about mid game pos 4 n 5
It couldn't be better explained, thank you
this channel deserve more views and subs
🥹
Hey Khezu, I’m your fan when i have played HoN since 2017. And now still your fan. Love you 😘
good old hon days 🥹🥹
thank you my friend 🥰
Straightforward and insightful. Loving the guides!
The purchase from Snake is really very cool. I have everything the same, but in addition to 3 trees I also take tango and mango
Amazing video once again, man you doing great! Please show us how to play as Pos 4 in regards to knowing what the enemy Pos 5 (as shown here) would do! ty
ty! Will try
Another tip (which applies mostly only for low mmr) Harass the shit out of them. They don’t think about buying regen so even if you have less dmg on your hero you can fully fuck them out of lane without even having to pull any creeps spam harass abilities, get clarities or mangos to spam them out of lane in lvl 2-3
You also let your pos 1 get last hits and push creeps into enemy tower when enemies are out of lane and the opponents will have less xp and farm.
Also put a ward down behind their t1 for easy to spot kill potential if they’re trash buying regen or waiting for couriers. You can now snipe couriers or get free kills as they usually wait with almost 0hp near lane
Also best supports in low mmr: Techies (they don’t hit mines) Ogre magi (hand of midas if you see your offlaner sucks). Abbadon/Io/Oracle for the same reason. Almost no one in low mmr thinks of prio targets in a fight, which means oracle/Io and abbadon can save almost anything freely and spam cast behind.
Disruptor, enemies don’t play around glimpse that well and their positioning usually sucks.
Worst supports in low mmr: Lich, he needs good players to utilize frost shield, Jakiro- he needs something and someone good to synergize macropyre with. Mirana, they will not utilize her ult properly.
This is such a good breakdown for me. Thank you
Great content! I'm happy to have found this and now subscribed!
This is actual great content! I wonder what's the right timing to do a half pull on radiant. I almost always can't pull it off.
straight to the point, good speech, very2 good. as non English expert, I can understand all you said
Great comment, thank you!
Thank you very informative! Would love tips for pos 3 & 4 🎉
Hopefully i can stepped up my game with the tips. Very useful and informative. Thanks man
I would love more of this kinda of content
Hello! 3.5k mmr here 😅
Ever since I watched this I’ve played 16 games as pos5, I won 11 of them.
Thanks for the tip mate
It was just yesterday that I suckwd so much in the game and wanted to take a break from it. Thanks for getting me back to the addiction.
😂
Support here😮
I just started playing dota 2 and I understand none of anything that was said in this video :D Good video I like it!
Khezu is the best teacher we have
very helpful haha these are what i had a vague idea that i should do but not a clear idea.
Great guide Khezu, as always!
Dude i love your videos!
Can you please do a tutorian on last hitting creeps and farming fast. What to do and not to do.
Also can you teach us the dagger toss enemies to team mates and dagger skewer
Thank you!
Yes, one of the next videos for now is about last hitting
(I will try to do the rest in the future)
Love your approach and how you make videos. Would love a mid analysis (pls let it be an earth spirit replay)
Thank you! Its coming
(But not earth spirit 😅)
What do u think about stacking the easy camp and just killing the whole wave? I usually half pull if the enemy lane is strong but if its weak i just try to stack and deny the entire wave
stacking S tier play if you can
Thats a Big Brain play
great content as always khezu!
Ty! Keep these coming!
I play Dota for more then ten years now, and this is the first learning video I was able to watch and learn from excluding Jenkins of course. Please never stop? Love your videos so much, you are missing from this platform so hard! Cannot wait to show my wife so she can improve as well as she digest even harder these "learning" 6 day 3 hour 16 minute long analyzis videos
Very helpful for me as suffering support player 😊❤
Mr. Khezu, can you make a video with compilation of "lost lanes/games" and what to do in those situations, in other terms "comeback story" ? Thank you in advance, Im enjoying your educational videos
This should be required watching during queues for all roles. Like no joke, Valve should be teaching players this at this point.