If you play through the Battle Tree, you learn that Annabel does remember being the Salon Madian. She mentions that being in the Battle Tree feels nostalgic.
Fun Fact: the Mohn and Lusamine Story was Concluded in Pokemon Journeys show where he was found in the crown tundra by lusamine gladion and lily and they help him gain his memory back after him falling thru a wormhole trying to save a shiny Nihilego
It was also concluded in USUM, but it’s more bittersweet in that game. Mohn happens to visit Aether Paradise and Lusamine is shocked to see him, but she realizes he’s not the same man anymore thanks to his memory loss, so she plays it cool and wishes him well, because she doesn’t want to burden him with her family’s troubles now that he’s formed a new life for himself.
That would be cool but headcanon aside the pokemon company and game freak wouldn't have spent so much time promoting rein and akari as all new protagonists if they were just dawn or lucas and wouldn't really put effort into giving them new names either in fact I saw somewhere else that the said the similarities to dawn and lucas were intentional but while they my look the same Dawn and lucas they are not even say they may be related but not directly so no they are not dawn or lucas and ingo is from a space time rift and rei or akari are summoned by arceus not a wormhole so similar symptoms but not the same and lastly it's all for gameplay reasons that this is the case rei and akari looking like dawn and lucas the memory problems ingo being there the two ancestors to Cynthia the characters who are ancestors to other characters from other games
I always thought Volo traveled from the past, as he knows a lot about lore and his clothes look ancient. If this is true, both Cogita and Cynthia would be his descendants.
Finally, someone who recognizes the official and fandom definitions of Fallers don’t align. While Fallers can be considered space time travelers, not all space time travelers are Fallers.
My guess is willing travel is more controlled and doesn't strain the traveler's mind and body since Nebby opens and maintains the portal The memory loss fallers likely had to travel from freak accident portals which probably put stress on them mentally
My theory about Volo is that he was originally from a time more close to Cogita's early life and he stayed in the distortion world so long because people don't age in there
All the characters who didn't lose their memories seemed to have travelled through with the Help of a Pokemon who travels through dimensions regularly. Either Cosmeom/Cosmog, Lunala/Solgaleo
Anabel being a Faller implies you can travel between universes this way, as she uses some of her Emerald Pokemon and also her Emerald theme when you battle her, so she is not the Anabel of the Mega timeline, she's the Anabel of the Emerald timeline, Zinnia alludes to the different timelines, one with the Ultimate Weapon and Mega Evolution, and one without. Going off of this, Faller Looker likely is not XY/SM Looker, but rather Platinum/Gen 5 Looker. Which means the Mega verse has two Anabels and two Lookers, but SM Looker is not a Faller apparently, so he is not ORAS Looker. Faller Looker is probably kept in protective custody and Faller Anabel probably operates in complete secrecy so that the Anabel that runs the Battle Tower doesn't find out she has a clone lol
@@shelbybayer200 the term you’re looking for is universes, not dimensions. And I already said that. People just refer to alternate universes as different timelines because of how differently events unfold from one to the other.
@@shelbybayer200 Ultra Space itself is a dimension but it can pull people into and out of parallel universes. The Anabel you see in Sun and Moon is the Anabel from Emerald, and those two games take place in different universes. Anabel is not from Ultra Space, she just hopped between universes via an Ultra Wormhole/trip through Ultra Space.
If we get another faller, i hope it's Platinums frontier brain Dahlia or Darach, Dahlia was a fun character and Darach being a faller would explain his disappearance from Caitlin's side in BW, plus he would fit in Kalos, being a butler
OR, Amarys from SV could be the faller, remember Khu stating that a member of the BB elite 4 is a big hint at the game that comes after the SV DLC, in this case, PLZA? Or it could be someone from the anime like Goh or Chloe.
The Ultra Recon squad say that there is a proper way to travel through an Ultra Wormhole and that Fallers who lost their memory could have done it wrong, whatever that means.
As for annabel, keep in mind emerald/oras take place concurrently with Firered/leafgreen, while gen 7 takes place almost 20 years later according to porygon's pokedex (porygon was made 20 years ago and porygon was still a fairly new pokemon in gen 1, hence why no trainers have one in game). So if annabel was, say, 15 when she fell, then she'd be in her early-mid 30s in sun/moon. So the ages check out for her.
The original JP Gen 1 dex entry, as well as the Firered dex entry which is a direct translation of it, supports Porygon being a very recent invention in Gen 1.
@@christiancinnabars1402 yep, it's literally a "luxury pokemon" that no one can afford during gen 1 due to how new it is - think any new advancement in technology or a new dog or cat breed. Rich people are the only ones who can afford it at first, and then as more porygons are made and bred (something not well researched until after gens 2/4 - 3 years later) the affordability of owning the novelty pokemon increases and it becomes something you see people carrying around & in the wild... no doubt released by trainers who got tired of taking care of it.
Gonna be honest, i more think looker went through a hoopa ring and got dropped into the ocean. I mean think about it, hitting the water at the right amount of speed can rattle the brain and probably knock out some memories as well as consciousness.. maybe got saved by some nice lanturnes or wailmers.
Also with how legends arceus distortion was working to be honest, i rather want to think that arceus pulled the player into the past was because we needed to get pulled to stop the feuding between dialga and palkia since the two butting heads would cause distortions in time and after we catch the two there is still aftershock from their feuding still happening.
My theory was a powerful object or something can counter the effects For example z power ring is proply Tera orb (terapagos's light version) Upgraded mega keystone And dmax band could work too tho may require a gmax or even emax (this one is less likely) Tho adamant orb or whatever in my HC should also counter Maybe having victini on your party too
Oh my god I've been BRAINROTTING about this FOR YEARS. I have TOO MUCH to say!!!! I heavily agree with jaernihiltheus7817 over the timeline because yes!! That's a perfectly valid timeline of events! Besides that, she was said to have been traveling in Ultra Space for a while so I have no idea how long it has truly been for her. Poor lady. And she indeed kept all of her Pokemon, even her legendaries. She used Raikou, Latios, and Entei in the Battle Tree along with a pokemon she never used in Emerald nor the SM Story: Lucario. Also, her stater Pokemon is officially her Snorlax! Super cute! Kept him safe despite falling through wormholes! AND about Faller: Fallers are an /International Police/ only stated title. This is something only Interpol is using, and specifically for those who have passed through Wormholes. We have yet to see if Interpol would state others as Fallers like Ingo and Rei... But it's highly likely. AND FINALLY Looker. He is enigmatic at the moment and he has not brought up anything about his past. To be honest, this is all just my personal theory, but I just like to think that ORAS Looker is a much younger Looker and it's the start of the timeline. I also do have it where he is an Ultra Wormhole Faller, but this is all speculation and just my headcanon of events. It's not canon, but I guess I just take it as implied due to Looker basically hinting at the devs wanting to try out something for their next game. ** Also Anabel in the anime with the crush thing: it was super forced and she's not even the same personality NOR has the same Pokemon. It's also explicit that Anabel in Pokemon Masters doesn't have psychic powers due to her saying 'Even though I cannot talk to [my Pokemon].' The writers literally stated in an interview posted by Pokebeach that they swapped girls out because they were "eye candy" for younger male viewers SO... I don't care about what the hell the anime did, nor does the anime itself since she never came back. Those two are not the same character and shouldn't ever be compared as such because eugh cmon, let's not revolve her life around Ash okay?
@@lumiosepost Oh no I have one more tid bit someone please shut me up: So about Ultra Wormhole Fallers in particular- Ultra Recon Squad, Willow, Lusamine, Guzma, and You and Lillie all go through them without loss of memory. Willow in Pokemon Go somehow kind of explains this if you can believe it. He states that his memories were beginning to blur together until a warm light, like the sun or the moon, kept his mind from blurring into an incoherent mess. From there, I theorize that Solgaleo and Lunala's powers, and Cosmog, keep the mind from experiencing memory loss. It can also be inferred that the longer you spend in Ultra Space is what causes this memory loss, which in reality could be memories blurring together until they're unable to be understood. Perhaps Ultra Space is a hall of alternate timelines and realities that experiencing all reality at once causes the brain to not understand what is correct? That's just speculation, unfortunately. And if Looker was a Faller, where is his ultra energy? Mm... I guess never never denies nor confirms his state so I just assume he is not happy about his Faller status and doesn't talk about it. Shrug. EXHALE sorry. That's all I have to say for now.
Okay one final thing for real: Looker did not use Faller Jane Doe or Anabel to attract Ultra Beasts, though he did use the protagonist. Interpol did not tell Looker and Nanu about Faller Jane Doe being bait, which is something they're both upset about. Anabel joined Interpol herself and chose the UB mission herself because she wants to help UBs, but Looker, wanting to protect Anabel, uses the protagonist to distract the UBs from getting too aggressive with Anabel. which is bad but i dont care i'll give my life for her lol. Plus the protagonist is the protagonist and is protected by Solgaleo or Lunala at that point, so there's no danger for them at all since the legendaries can possibly quell UB aggression.
Of note, in a recent Pokemon Go Event Giovanni of team Go Rocket (Which I'm pretty sure is an alternate universe version of the normal Rocket) has also fallen through an ultra wormhole... I think. I may be remembering it wrong, he may have just slipped into a space/time distortion created by the Origin Palkia/Dialga along with Willow (who keeps falling in portals). I may have misremembered it as an ultra wormhole because Rhi (an go original Ultra Recon Squad member) was involved.
Also of note on the whole Go characters memory loss thing, Willow actually entered the portal willingly I believe. He saw a portal to another dimension, went 'For Science!' and jumped in if I recall correctly. Same with Giovanni, as after you 'rescue' him he reveals that it was part of his plan to go missing in the portal and have Team Rocket work with you to find him so that after you inevitably stop the legendary pokemon's rampage he and his team would be close on hand to steal it from you. Kinda funny that Giovanni is starting to recognize that the pattern of legendary pokemon rampages being stopped by random kids but he still isn't able to beat them himself.
Could one also argue that Cogita was a faller too? Or maybe she had some way of living much longer given that some of her dialogue implies that she’s lived a lot longer than the average life span. Your theory about Volo being a faller may also have more credence given that both Cogita and Volo are implied to be an ancestor to Cynthia yet they don’t ever interact as if they were related.
I hated there have been no follow ups. Pun intended. But creators also said they like to leave things open ended because that's part of their inspiration
Fallers are called Fallers because they fell into an Ultra Wormhole. They didn’t willingly enter and thus the adverse effects. Iirc Looker all but says that in the post game of SM.
Yes and no. The one you play as is sent from another time, so that one can’t be Dawn and Lucas’ ancestor. But the one you don’t play as is from the time of Hisui, so that one is intended to be
I Iike to think that this soft retcon of "ultra wormholes can just be everywhere/when" means that the East Coast of Cinnibar Island glitch in gen 1 is basically canon right? Just spit out Pokemon randomly, defying spacetime. Also MissingNo is tooootally an UB candidate. (maybe a weird stakataka haha)
Nihilego can produce a strong neurotoxin (that may produce memory loss, or make humans easier to control). 🦑🐙 Via the effect of the neurotoxin, Nihilego can also make people become violent when controlling them. Nihilego also feeds on people and pokemon, like a parasite.
Tuesday June 25th, 2024 FUN FACT............ Eventhough Anabel and Looker were in the Sun and Moon(including Ultra) games, they never appeared in the Sun and Moon series.
See I think volo is from an ancient past just by his clothing. Just gives those vibes to me. I definitely agree volo is not from that time where we see him
You what adds to volo being a time traveler, everyone else who has an ancestor in PLA only has one lookalike. Cynthia has 2 Is Volo Cynthia’s descendant from the future or an ancestor from a different time?
Fallers are definitely interesting and i wonder if we'll get one in Legends ZA. An Legends Alola game would be so cool especially if it takes place in Ultra Space and we learn more about that. Hey do you think Ultra beasts and the light trio travel to other planets beyond earth?
There was A theory that Ash at some point became A Faller cause his Greninja appears in Sun and Moon and there is an Email that basically says he sent his Greninja to the player and you know Ash dose not exist in the games only Red dose
I think Volo is from the distant past, he knows about all three of the God Trio, Arceus, the tablets, and he even knew about the Giratina statue which was destroyed, almost as if he knew what those ruins were like in their hay day. Plus those are roman/greek inspired ruins which match his aesthetic perfectly in his “final form.” Its as if he was waiting to reveal his true nature at the end.
@@lumiosepostOh, its an international brand, iirc its TK Maxx in europe? They're just being silly because they want to Dynamax their retail experience
Pokémon Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum deserve more respect than they deserve. They can be remade with the Let's Go graphics with extra fun gameplay features.
Legends Arceus player characters go by the name Rei and Akari according to bulbapedia. They are not named Dawn and Lucas. So either they came from a Sinnoh region where they were never named Lucas an Dawn or they go by a different name in the Hisui era to avoid creating issues in the time line or something. I am aware bulbapedia is not an official source though even though it has mostly accurate information.
Technically, That's Koki and Hikari. Lucas and Dawn are the English translation. Rei and Akari likely ARE Koki and Hikari, just from another Timeline. Or they are slightly altered Copies made by Arceus. Or they are the Children of Koki and Hikari.... interestingly, all except Rei have a name that has the meaning of Light. Koki means Bright light, Hikari is Light, Akari is Moon/Star Light, and the odd one out, Rei is Beautiful, or with different Kanji, Spirit/Soul. Light VS Darkness seems to be a big theme in the Sinnoh and Hisui games.
Technically, That's Koki and Hikari. Lucas and Dawn are the English translation. Rei and Akari likely ARE Koki and Hikari, just from another Timeline. Or they are slightly altered Copies made by Arceus. Or they are the Children of Koki and Hikari.... Interestingly, except for Rei, which has the meaning of Beautiful OR Spirit/Soul, depending on kanji, the others have some connection to Light. Big Light VS Darkness stuff going on in Sinnoh.
@@matthewrowlett1564 Even in Japanese they have different names, confirming them to not be the same persons. Lucas - Kouki Dawn - Hikari Rei - Teru Akari - Shō They still remember their names, and they aren't the ones from the Gen4 games, confirming they aren't the same persons. The most likely thing is that they are just descendants (childs, grandchilds, wtv) of the Gen4 protagonist, since we know that they use similar traits to show when characters are related. And it's literally one of the most prominent features of the game, the new characters being ancestors of the ones we see in the "modern day" games.
@@lumiosepost The protagonists have designated canon names tho, just like how most of them have specific canon mons (some even entire teams) even tho ingame you can chose wtv you want. Naming them is just for your personal experience, it isn't part of the lore.
And again player characters ain't dawn or lucas so of course they wouldn't have their pokemon from the same time as dawn and lucas yes possibly related yes same people as akari and Rei nope ingo is the same though
It's highly implied that at least when selected as the player character, Rei/Akari are actually Lucas/Dawn who are a few years older, and the clothing from another region just means they travel around, the same way Ash does in the anime or Red does in the games, and they were taken from those time periods while on vacation or whatever and sent to Hisui. Now when not selected as the player character, Rei/Akari are probably just an ancestor of Dawn/Lucas, in other words the game is you journeying around Hisui with your great great grandparent lol
Rei and Akari aren't Dawn or Lucas they're more likely look alikes or something Maybe they're the child of Lucas or Dawn But, they can't be Dawn or Lucas as the use different canon names entirely. And most importantly, the supposed "Diamond and Pearl" protag room isn't even the same They're entirely different people
If you play through the Battle Tree, you learn that Annabel does remember being the Salon Madian. She mentions that being in the Battle Tree feels nostalgic.
Fun Fact: the Mohn and Lusamine Story was Concluded in Pokemon Journeys show where he was found in the crown tundra by lusamine gladion and lily and they help him gain his memory back after him falling thru a wormhole trying to save a shiny Nihilego
I just watched that episode, it was the nihilego that saved him, he was apparently just unconscious the whole time
It was also concluded in USUM, but it’s more bittersweet in that game. Mohn happens to visit Aether Paradise and Lusamine is shocked to see him, but she realizes he’s not the same man anymore thanks to his memory loss, so she plays it cool and wishes him well, because she doesn’t want to burden him with her family’s troubles now that he’s formed a new life for himself.
That's only canon to the anime
I headcanon that Rei, the Legends Arceus protagonist, is Lucas, but is not the protagonist of Sinnoh, Dawn is. Lucas is the professors assistant
Oooh, interesting! So from the universe where Dawn is the protagonist? ^^
Edit: Oh wait, I just saw that you write that, yeah XD Ooh, interesting
That would be cool but headcanon aside the pokemon company and game freak wouldn't have spent so much time promoting rein and akari as all new protagonists if they were just dawn or lucas and wouldn't really put effort into giving them new names either in fact I saw somewhere else that the said the similarities to dawn and lucas were intentional but while they my look the same Dawn and lucas they are not even say they may be related but not directly so no they are not dawn or lucas and ingo is from a space time rift and rei or akari are summoned by arceus not a wormhole so similar symptoms but not the same and lastly it's all for gameplay reasons that this is the case rei and akari looking like dawn and lucas the memory problems ingo being there the two ancestors to Cynthia the characters who are ancestors to other characters from other games
All these 10 year olds running around with time gods and space breaking Pokémon, it’s no wonder the borders of reality are falling apart.
I always thought Volo traveled from the past, as he knows a lot about lore and his clothes look ancient. If this is true, both Cogita and Cynthia would be his descendants.
Finally, someone who recognizes the official and fandom definitions of Fallers don’t align. While Fallers can be considered space time travelers, not all space time travelers are Fallers.
My guess is willing travel is more controlled and doesn't strain the traveler's mind and body since Nebby opens and maintains the portal
The memory loss fallers likely had to travel from freak accident portals which probably put stress on them mentally
My theory about Volo is that he was originally from a time more close to Cogita's early life and he stayed in the distortion world so long because people don't age in there
All the characters who didn't lose their memories seemed to have travelled through with the Help of a Pokemon who travels through dimensions regularly. Either Cosmeom/Cosmog, Lunala/Solgaleo
Imagine Anabel lost some of her Pokemon while falling thru the wormhole and they ended up in a universe that didn’t have Pokemon. 😭
This universe please. I will give that Snorlax a good home.
Actually in pokemon master's they show that Rei and akari and Lucas and down are different people.
Anabel being a Faller implies you can travel between universes this way, as she uses some of her Emerald Pokemon and also her Emerald theme when you battle her, so she is not the Anabel of the Mega timeline, she's the Anabel of the Emerald timeline, Zinnia alludes to the different timelines, one with the Ultimate Weapon and Mega Evolution, and one without. Going off of this, Faller Looker likely is not XY/SM Looker, but rather Platinum/Gen 5 Looker. Which means the Mega verse has two Anabels and two Lookers, but SM Looker is not a Faller apparently, so he is not ORAS Looker. Faller Looker is probably kept in protective custody and Faller Anabel probably operates in complete secrecy so that the Anabel that runs the Battle Tower doesn't find out she has a clone lol
Not timelines
Dimensions
@@shelbybayer200 the term you’re looking for is universes, not dimensions. And I already said that. People just refer to alternate universes as different timelines because of how differently events unfold from one to the other.
@@Borchert97
No, I do mean Dimensions
As that's what the Ultra Space areas are Canonically referred to they're tied to DIMENSIONAL travel
@@shelbybayer200 Ultra Space itself is a dimension but it can pull people into and out of parallel universes. The Anabel you see in Sun and Moon is the Anabel from Emerald, and those two games take place in different universes. Anabel is not from Ultra Space, she just hopped between universes via an Ultra Wormhole/trip through Ultra Space.
@@Borchert97
Ultra Wormholes deal with Dimension travel in general
If we get another faller, i hope it's Platinums frontier brain Dahlia or Darach, Dahlia was a fun character and Darach being a faller would explain his disappearance from Caitlin's side in BW, plus he would fit in Kalos, being a butler
Actually in BW2, Caitlin says that Darach very recently traveled to Unova to clean up the villa for her before you visit. So odds are he's still fine.
OR, Amarys from SV could be the faller, remember Khu stating that a member of the BB elite 4 is a big hint at the game that comes after the SV DLC, in this case, PLZA?
Or it could be someone from the anime like Goh or Chloe.
The Ultra Recon squad say that there is a proper way to travel through an Ultra Wormhole and that Fallers who lost their memory could have done it wrong, whatever that means.
As for annabel, keep in mind emerald/oras take place concurrently with Firered/leafgreen, while gen 7 takes place almost 20 years later according to porygon's pokedex (porygon was made 20 years ago and porygon was still a fairly new pokemon in gen 1, hence why no trainers have one in game).
So if annabel was, say, 15 when she fell, then she'd be in her early-mid 30s in sun/moon. So the ages check out for her.
The original JP Gen 1 dex entry, as well as the Firered dex entry which is a direct translation of it, supports Porygon being a very recent invention in Gen 1.
@@christiancinnabars1402 yep, it's literally a "luxury pokemon" that no one can afford during gen 1 due to how new it is - think any new advancement in technology or a new dog or cat breed. Rich people are the only ones who can afford it at first, and then as more porygons are made and bred (something not well researched until after gens 2/4 - 3 years later) the affordability of owning the novelty pokemon increases and it becomes something you see people carrying around & in the wild... no doubt released by trainers who got tired of taking care of it.
Also to note that Rira would say "boku" when talking about herself, but not in Generation 7. Her Emerald clothes still suit her as a female character.
Aye! glad you made this video - good info and good feelings about this lorebit
Gonna be honest, i more think looker went through a hoopa ring and got dropped into the ocean. I mean think about it, hitting the water at the right amount of speed can rattle the brain and probably knock out some memories as well as consciousness.. maybe got saved by some nice lanturnes or wailmers.
Also with how legends arceus distortion was working to be honest, i rather want to think that arceus pulled the player into the past was because we needed to get pulled to stop the feuding between dialga and palkia since the two butting heads would cause distortions in time and after we catch the two there is still aftershock from their feuding still happening.
My theory was a powerful object or something can counter the effects
For example z power ring is proply
Tera orb (terapagos's light version)
Upgraded mega keystone
And dmax band could work too tho may require a gmax or even emax (this one is less likely)
Tho adamant orb or whatever in my HC should also counter
Maybe having victini on your party too
Oh my god I've been BRAINROTTING about this FOR YEARS. I have TOO MUCH to say!!!!
I heavily agree with jaernihiltheus7817 over the timeline because yes!! That's a perfectly valid timeline of events! Besides that, she was said to have been traveling in Ultra Space for a while so I have no idea how long it has truly been for her. Poor lady.
And she indeed kept all of her Pokemon, even her legendaries. She used Raikou, Latios, and Entei in the Battle Tree along with a pokemon she never used in Emerald nor the SM Story: Lucario. Also, her stater Pokemon is officially her Snorlax! Super cute! Kept him safe despite falling through wormholes!
AND about Faller: Fallers are an /International Police/ only stated title. This is something only Interpol is using, and specifically for those who have passed through Wormholes. We have yet to see if Interpol would state others as Fallers like Ingo and Rei... But it's highly likely.
AND FINALLY Looker. He is enigmatic at the moment and he has not brought up anything about his past. To be honest, this is all just my personal theory, but I just like to think that ORAS Looker is a much younger Looker and it's the start of the timeline. I also do have it where he is an Ultra Wormhole Faller, but this is all speculation and just my headcanon of events. It's not canon, but I guess I just take it as implied due to Looker basically hinting at the devs wanting to try out something for their next game.
** Also Anabel in the anime with the crush thing: it was super forced and she's not even the same personality NOR has the same Pokemon. It's also explicit that Anabel in Pokemon Masters doesn't have psychic powers due to her saying 'Even though I cannot talk to [my Pokemon].' The writers literally stated in an interview posted by Pokebeach that they swapped girls out because they were "eye candy" for younger male viewers SO... I don't care about what the hell the anime did, nor does the anime itself since she never came back. Those two are not the same character and shouldn't ever be compared as such because eugh cmon, let's not revolve her life around Ash okay?
PLEASE DO!
@@lumiosepost IM SO SORRY FOR THE SUPER LONG COMMENT BUT... CHECK NOW I EDITED IT WITH ALL MY BRAINROT
@@lumiosepost Oh no I have one more tid bit someone please shut me up:
So about Ultra Wormhole Fallers in particular- Ultra Recon Squad, Willow, Lusamine, Guzma, and You and Lillie all go through them without loss of memory. Willow in Pokemon Go somehow kind of explains this if you can believe it. He states that his memories were beginning to blur together until a warm light, like the sun or the moon, kept his mind from blurring into an incoherent mess. From there, I theorize that Solgaleo and Lunala's powers, and Cosmog, keep the mind from experiencing memory loss.
It can also be inferred that the longer you spend in Ultra Space is what causes this memory loss, which in reality could be memories blurring together until they're unable to be understood. Perhaps Ultra Space is a hall of alternate timelines and realities that experiencing all reality at once causes the brain to not understand what is correct? That's just speculation, unfortunately.
And if Looker was a Faller, where is his ultra energy? Mm... I guess never never denies nor confirms his state so I just assume he is not happy about his Faller status and doesn't talk about it. Shrug.
EXHALE sorry. That's all I have to say for now.
Okay one final thing for real: Looker did not use Faller Jane Doe or Anabel to attract Ultra Beasts, though he did use the protagonist. Interpol did not tell Looker and Nanu about Faller Jane Doe being bait, which is something they're both upset about. Anabel joined Interpol herself and chose the UB mission herself because she wants to help UBs, but Looker, wanting to protect Anabel, uses the protagonist to distract the UBs from getting too aggressive with Anabel. which is bad but i dont care i'll give my life for her lol. Plus the protagonist is the protagonist and is protected by Solgaleo or Lunala at that point, so there's no danger for them at all since the legendaries can possibly quell UB aggression.
Of note, in a recent Pokemon Go Event Giovanni of team Go Rocket (Which I'm pretty sure is an alternate universe version of the normal Rocket) has also fallen through an ultra wormhole...
I think. I may be remembering it wrong, he may have just slipped into a space/time distortion created by the Origin Palkia/Dialga along with Willow (who keeps falling in portals). I may have misremembered it as an ultra wormhole because Rhi (an go original Ultra Recon Squad member) was involved.
Also of note on the whole Go characters memory loss thing, Willow actually entered the portal willingly I believe. He saw a portal to another dimension, went 'For Science!' and jumped in if I recall correctly. Same with Giovanni, as after you 'rescue' him he reveals that it was part of his plan to go missing in the portal and have Team Rocket work with you to find him so that after you inevitably stop the legendary pokemon's rampage he and his team would be close on hand to steal it from you. Kinda funny that Giovanni is starting to recognize that the pattern of legendary pokemon rampages being stopped by random kids but he still isn't able to beat them himself.
Could one also argue that Cogita was a faller too? Or maybe she had some way of living much longer given that some of her dialogue implies that she’s lived a lot longer than the average life span. Your theory about Volo being a faller may also have more credence given that both Cogita and Volo are implied to be an ancestor to Cynthia yet they don’t ever interact as if they were related.
I hated there have been no follow ups. Pun intended. But creators also said they like to leave things open ended because that's part of their inspiration
Fallers are called Fallers because they fell into an Ultra Wormhole. They didn’t willingly enter and thus the adverse effects.
Iirc Looker all but says that in the post game of SM.
Nah, it’s stated it is anyone who goes through a wormhole. Even willingly
wait, aren't the PL:A MCs the Ancestors of Lucas & Dawn?
Yes and no. The one you play as is sent from another time, so that one can’t be Dawn and Lucas’ ancestor. But the one you don’t play as is from the time of Hisui, so that one is intended to be
I Iike to think that this soft retcon of "ultra wormholes can just be everywhere/when" means that the East Coast of Cinnibar Island glitch in gen 1 is basically canon right?
Just spit out Pokemon randomly, defying spacetime.
Also MissingNo is tooootally an UB candidate. (maybe a weird stakataka haha)
Bruhhhhh I actually really love this idea lol
I need this canon, RIGHT NOW. This is too perfect not to write into the games.
Nihilego can produce a strong neurotoxin (that may produce memory loss, or make humans easier to control). 🦑🐙 Via the effect of the neurotoxin, Nihilego can also make people become violent when controlling them. Nihilego also feeds on people and pokemon, like a parasite.
Tuesday June 25th, 2024
FUN FACT............
Eventhough Anabel and Looker were in the Sun and Moon(including Ultra) games, they never appeared in the Sun and Moon series.
See I think volo is from an ancient past just by his clothing. Just gives those vibes to me. I definitely agree volo is not from that time where we see him
That bolo guys hat looks like arceus head lol
I wouldn't want to remember Lusamine was my wife either.
And that alone makes you stand out from 80% of the community 😂
You what adds to volo being a time traveler, everyone else who has an ancestor in PLA only has one lookalike.
Cynthia has 2
Is Volo Cynthia’s descendant from the future or an ancestor from a different time?
Fallers are definitely interesting and i wonder if we'll get one in Legends ZA. An Legends Alola game would be so cool especially if it takes place in Ultra Space and we learn more about that. Hey do you think Ultra beasts and the light trio travel to other planets beyond earth?
There was A theory that Ash at some point became A Faller cause his Greninja appears in Sun and Moon and there is an Email that basically says he sent his Greninja to the player and you know Ash dose not exist in the games only Red dose
I love Anabel so much
Lol, that shirt rant was good.
Imports exist, just like the Psycho Soda based on ramune being available in regions based outside of Japanese regions.
so we agree that Time Space Rifts and Ultra Wormholes are the same thing, right?
Yes and no. I would say that an ultra wormhole is a time space rift but a time space rift is not an ultra wormhole
I think Volo is from the distant past, he knows about all three of the God Trio, Arceus, the tablets, and he even knew about the Giratina statue which was destroyed, almost as if he knew what those ruins were like in their hay day. Plus those are roman/greek inspired ruins which match his aesthetic perfectly in his “final form.” Its as if he was waiting to reveal his true nature at the end.
Mohn is pronounced like "John," but with an "M," I believe
So like pronounced like “Mon” then?
@lumiosepost Indeed. I looked up an anime clip just to double-check.
What’s a TJ? And why’s it Max?
Must be an American thing 😂
@@lumiosepostOh, its an international brand, iirc its TK Maxx in europe?
They're just being silly because they want to Dynamax their retail experience
Pokémon Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum deserve more respect than they deserve. They can be remade with the Let's Go graphics with extra fun gameplay features.
enough with that. They are not going to be remade and that is a fact.
@@JamiePokemonTrainer Nice try. Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum are already popular among Pokémon fans.
Cool
Lumiose Post do you know of leaker Midori yet
I have seen stuff about them now yeah!
Legends Arceus player characters go by the name Rei and Akari according to bulbapedia. They are not named Dawn and Lucas. So either they came from a Sinnoh region where they were never named Lucas an Dawn or they go by a different name in the Hisui era to avoid creating issues in the time line or something. I am aware bulbapedia is not an official source though even though it has mostly accurate information.
The protagonists from LA are *not* the protagonists from Gen4
DPPt/BDSP's protagonist are named Lucas/Dawn
LA's are called Rei/Akari
LA’s side characters are named Akari/Rei, but a protagonist at the end of the day are whatever we name them
Technically, That's Koki and Hikari. Lucas and Dawn are the English translation.
Rei and Akari likely ARE Koki and Hikari, just from another Timeline. Or they are slightly altered Copies made by Arceus. Or they are the Children of Koki and Hikari.... interestingly, all except Rei have a name that has the meaning of Light. Koki means Bright light, Hikari is Light, Akari is Moon/Star Light, and the odd one out, Rei is Beautiful, or with different Kanji, Spirit/Soul.
Light VS Darkness seems to be a big theme in the Sinnoh and Hisui games.
Technically, That's Koki and Hikari. Lucas and Dawn are the English translation.
Rei and Akari likely ARE Koki and Hikari, just from another Timeline. Or they are slightly altered Copies made by Arceus. Or they are the Children of Koki and Hikari....
Interestingly, except for Rei, which has the meaning of Beautiful OR Spirit/Soul, depending on kanji, the others have some connection to Light.
Big Light VS Darkness stuff going on in Sinnoh.
@@matthewrowlett1564
Even in Japanese they have different names, confirming them to not be the same persons.
Lucas - Kouki
Dawn - Hikari
Rei - Teru
Akari - Shō
They still remember their names, and they aren't the ones from the Gen4 games, confirming they aren't the same persons.
The most likely thing is that they are just descendants (childs, grandchilds, wtv) of the Gen4 protagonist, since we know that they use similar traits to show when characters are related. And it's literally one of the most prominent features of the game, the new characters being ancestors of the ones we see in the "modern day" games.
@@lumiosepost
The protagonists have designated canon names tho, just like how most of them have specific canon mons (some even entire teams) even tho ingame you can chose wtv you want.
Naming them is just for your personal experience, it isn't part of the lore.
And again player characters ain't dawn or lucas so of course they wouldn't have their pokemon from the same time as dawn and lucas yes possibly related yes same people as akari and Rei nope ingo is the same though
The LA player characters can just be people who happen to look like Kouki or Hikari, but they are not them.
It's highly implied that at least when selected as the player character, Rei/Akari are actually Lucas/Dawn who are a few years older, and the clothing from another region just means they travel around, the same way Ash does in the anime or Red does in the games, and they were taken from those time periods while on vacation or whatever and sent to Hisui. Now when not selected as the player character, Rei/Akari are probably just an ancestor of Dawn/Lucas, in other words the game is you journeying around Hisui with your great great grandparent lol
Rei and Akari aren't Dawn or Lucas they're more likely look alikes or something
Maybe they're the child of Lucas or Dawn
But, they can't be Dawn or Lucas as the use different canon names entirely.
And most importantly, the supposed "Diamond and Pearl" protag room isn't even the same
They're entirely different people