It's amazing how Elon Musk managed to turn his life around in the years since this was recorded, and is now a paragon of virtue in our community. Yep, he's not at all a far, far bigger catastrofuck of a human being today.
Its not even comparable, really. Its insane how many people he fooled into thinking he might be the smartest man alive. His time at twitter showed how much of a fraud he is.
Man this episode is such a time capsule. What a wild time when we didn't know Elon's opinion of every single political issue, and couldn't escape knowing that.
I mean, if you know anything about his leadership style, his history with capital, his opinion on labour and labour rights, then you know that no matter how much he might pretend to be progressive or politically neutral, he is in fact just another fascist; if they hate workers, then they hate everyone else who isn't in power. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be the CEO of multiple billion dollar companies and not run them like an autocrat. Smugface from Nvidia understands that, Bezos understands that and Jobs damn near reinvented it.
Here's my thing about Musk's life growing up- he may say he hates his dad, or the way things were in S. Africa, but a a grown man he certainly doesn't act like someone who hates those things. Documented facts about how he treats his spouses and children. Documented facts about how he treats his workers. Documented fats about the kinds of rules he wants for society, whether he's building his own or trying to change this one. All those show him to be just like his dad and just like someone really fond for the white ruling class days of S. Africa. Sure some thing about his life sucked and some people treated him like shit. But instead of growing past it, he's taken 'hurt people hurt people' to industrial levels.
As a white S.African, here is a secret about the vast majority of people who look and sound like me: they desperately want Apartheid back. But they know people don't like that so they 13/50 discussions and are often "hard on crime". Since the majority of criminals are black because a majority of the population is black, they get to hide behind being tough on crime when really what they mean is "k*ffers are criminals and they belong in prisons". They are the kings of very discrete dog whistles.
so insane listening to this one in the future knowing he’s gone full alt right at this point. I keep waiting for them to mention his daughter who disowned him, or his attempt at running twitter, or literally anything else he’s done over the past three years. I always knew he wasn’t legitimately working for the good of people but if you’d asked me at the point this originally aired if he’d end up being one of today’s most powerful fascists, I don’t think I’d have been able to predict the extent to which he spiraled
@@mmm-mmm altright is kind of an outdated term at this point tbh, but it’s called that because the views they have used to be a lot more fringe within the right wing. I’d say people with altright views are definitely the majority of the right nowadays, but even a decade ago most of their fellow conservatives thought they were crazy + going way too far
Aren't like 98% of the allegations against Flynn proven to have been made up entirely or incredibly altered facts of the events? Like, the woman who claimed he raped her also said she was madly in love with him and couldn't believe he chose her out of all people. And his biographer just straight made up shit because he 'had a gut feeling it was true.'
my god....revisit this episode now....hilarious that you back then compared the elon breakdown to the kanye breakdown, and they should keep it off twitter. I guess the writing was on the wall
Common Sense Skeptic did a thing about the stairs incident - what Elon left out what that he didn't just "bump into the guy" in the cafeteria. Apparently the guy's father had recently died (edit: apparently it was a suicide! /edit) and Elon made a joke about it. And *that's* why they went after him. That doesn't excuse what happened to him... but it wasn't just some random bullying as he makes it out to be.
Carefully cultivated BS. One thing Muck did do well is cultivate his own image to promote his companies - the Edison strategy. The image of the lone genius inventor still has cultural power.
Honestly I actually really enjoyed the fact that Sofiya wouldn't let things lie and would poke holes in the kind of narratives that get pushed for these dorks. I admire that, I can't say I'm a strong enough person to do that amongst people I consider my friends (but I do have my limits).
I've only just recently been recommended to your channel, but I have to say that I am really loving the depth of the content and the even-handedness of dealing with these truly terrible people.
I think when he was asked to describe his version of socialism once, he described a world where resources are allocated, but, for the benefit of everyone, the greatest slices of pie should go to those already wealthy/successful so they can still be in charge of leading everyone else with their successfulness and wealth and... capital. So......... a type of capitalism in which they're absolved of all guilt for owning too much because someone OFFICIALLY picked them to be the best, smartest boys.
That's not an accurate description of what he said. The actual quote was: "By the way, I am actually a socialist. Just not the kind that shifts resources from most productive to least productive, pretending to do good, while actually causing harm. True socialism seeks greatest good for all." Of course, his politics has changed dramatically over the past several years so I doubt he'd say that any more. And the main thing I'm sure he was referring to was his (outspoken) support for Universal Basic Income.
The story I heard on why Elon got pushed down the stairs was that he was mocking one of the kids because his father had just died by suicide. It was an interview with Errol talking about it. *edited for accuracy
it was elon making a joke about the other kid's father committing suicide but c'mon dude. you could use google on the device you're using, instead of commenting "citation needed" like a dipshit
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 Yes, Elon was pushed down the stairs, and we have the world of multiple people. What we don't have is the word of any people, except "Andrew Westfall 65 at RUclips", that it was because "he was mocking one of the kids because his mother had just died." Hence: [Citation needed]. The proper answer to a [citation needed] request is: to give a citation. If you can't: It's made-up internet BS.
I dont think you can equate Elon hating South Africa with hating apartheid. He has no trouble behaving, speaking, and tweeting in a way that shows he thinks he owns people. And his contempt for those he considers beneath him is breathtaking.
I am of a similar age to Elon. People of our age didn't get assessed for autism unless we were beating our heads on the ground and playing with trains and dinosaurs. I had my tonsils and adenoids removed partially because they thought I was hard of hearing. I would just go off and zone out randomly. The sad thing is I was hard of hearing and autistic, but because of my hearing issues the autism was missed. I was bullied. I had weird levels of genius about some things, and was stupid about others. I could read at a college level, yet I couldn't learn to tell time. As an autistic person I can tell you that Elon is definitely on the spectrum. He is probably more on the spectrum than I am because I learned how to socialize almost to a "normal" level. Now don't get me wrong, I am not proud of Elon being an autistic person. Most of us are awesome, but when we are bad we are really really shitty people. I have an older brother who is Asperger Syndrome, mentally gifted, very very weird. He is also a true psychopath. You can be a psychopath and have autism. I think Elon is a psychopath. He devalues other people's lives.
@@Studeb There is this misnomer that people with autism lack empathy. We show empathy in a different way, but many of us are even more empathetic than average. Some of us have something called "synthesia", meaning we have literal empathetic pain by being around people in pain. This is how I discovered I am highly likely to be autistic. It isn't some wuwu psychic thing. It is a condition where your body develops the symptoms of people you care about. Just thought I would mention that most autistic people are highly caring even if we do not understand certain emotions. Some of us can't get angry, or lack the ability to be romantic, etc, but that doesn't mean we completely lack emotion, or compassion for feelings we can't share.
@@karenholmes6565 I think everybody has some level of autism, at least I see some very lower level signs in myself. I have met very autistic people who seem very selfish, I consider this to be something different from typical psychopathy, but it still results in me not wanting to be anywhere near these people.
@@Studeb There is nothing wrong or ableist to decide that a certain person is not your vibe. It is another to describe all autistic people as "selfish". I can imagine some of us get hyper focused on our special interests and that would be off putting. Here is the thing though, autism at its root is a sensory and communication disorder. Autistic people are not innately selfish. I find most allistic people to be some level of narcissistic, they reason from emotion. They can be extremely hierarchical. They often bully. The snobbery among allistics is pretty gross. Not all allistic people are like this, but a good many are.
Contrary to you, I don't think he is on the spectrum. I think he is self-diagnosed and in truth has a wholly different condition. The story about him being bullied is, like everything he says about himself, a distorted account, it was actually him who bullied another person who hit back. He is not asocial, not in the way people on the spectrum are. He has an almost pathological need for adulation & praise. He also said himself that he has a great fear of being alone, and that's why he had so many divorces and quick re-marriages - that's not the kind of relationships people on the spectrum would or could have.
Thank you for saying out loud that knowing how to engage wealthy people with corporate experience and connections opens doors. That has been a defining feature of my path through life as one without that set of keys, and I didn't understand that while the defining was happening.
Yeah a group of Italians in Africa in the late 70s or early 80s in desperate need of a plane were willing to pay around 8 times what it would cost new and owned part of an emerald mine just across the border from Rhodesia they wanted to get rid of. I am sure everything was legit.
That part about Kingston has me laughing. To this day, Queens/Kingstown is considered the party school and party city for our Universities/colleges. That tracks and has lasted over thirty yrs
The episode that brought me finally to Behind The Bastards, after Elon's 2024 cabinet position announcement. Great show, will definitely be listening to the backlog!
2012 - Disney buys Lucanfilm for $4 billion (and immediately proceed to destroy it), 2022 - Creepy Musk buys TWITter for $44 billion - 44 BILLION - 11 times more than the Disney Purchase, thus making him, eh, 11 times SMARTER, yeah? Oh wait - he also immediately proceeded to destroy it. KNOB!
The story about his dad letting him go to the computer class and then finding him at the front talking to everyone gives me "Young Jesus in the temple" vibes.
But is he really a career obsessed workaholic? It looks to me like he f*s around on twitter all day. I counted them once and he sent over 90 tweets in one day, I don't have time to do that with one job.
From 2017 to 2022, Musk posted on twitter about 10,000 times. Which works out to about 6 posts a day. Ok, that doesn't sound like a lot... but that's just original posts, that number doesn't include retweets, "likes", or replies, which he does far more frequently than original posts; nor does it include time spent reading, formulating posts/responses, and surfing, which, let's be honest, you can't really quantify but it all presumably happens. And this rate of posting hasn't changed significantly since his acquisition of the company in late 2022. If he's the CEO of 4-5 companies... kinda seems like he doesn't actually do much for hose corporations. Especially where, as mentioned, he acquired twitter in late 2022 and seems to be spending an inordinate amount of time dealing with the mess he created there (as I type this, he is threatening to put Twitter behind a paywall, which obviously is a really good idea that couldn't possibly backfire).
@@TheDarthbinky I was counting both original tweets and replies, I didn't look at likes. It's hard to figure out where he finds the time when he's running three companies and wants people to think he's a real-life Tony Stark.
@@lisadioguardi5742I agree with you, I was just using numbers provided by Common Sense Skeptic, another youtuber who takes great joy in debunking Musk's nonsense. That 6 posts a day was just an average; presumably he goes WAY over that on some days and there may be days where he doesn't post anything. Your numbers are probably right for that timeframe you looked. Oh yeah, I was rewatching a CSS vid earlier and he pointed out that Musk also does a lot of publicity stuff. He's constantly doing interviews, tedtalks, and those promotional things, like that one where he had a "dancing robot" that was just a guy in a terrible robot costume or the ones where he lies about the stuff he's about to come out with and then never comes out with it but his cultists want to jerk him off anyway. That's more time spent away from his jobs as CEO.
Important note about how he benefited from grandpappys citizenship is that Canada doesnt let autistic people immigrate here, and it is extremely likely that he was only able to come because of the familial connection. (Speaking as an autistic Canadian, this is a deeply screwed up situation, particularly given that the claimed purpose is to limit the burden on our support systems, and yet it is exceedingly difficult even for someone born here to get access to those supports)
I believe Elon was traumatized at very early childhood, which led to him dissociating and being misdiagnosed with some other disorder around hearing and attention. It took me a lot of therapy to reach a point where I didn't dissociate. What happens is time freezes, your whole body clenches, and you become catatonic. Sometimes it happens while you are doing something, so your body kind of just keeps doing whatever repetitive pattern you were doing that doesn't require cognition, while your consciousness is sifting through memories to consolidate them. With very early childhood trauma, we don't retain much of the raw sensory input as memory, we just absorb it as a strong emotional response. Therefore, we grow up never knowing we were traumatized at very early childhood. We just grow up with these intense feelings and confusion around it all. Given how bad Elon's father was, there is no doubt that something traumatic happened either to him or around him at an age when he didn't properly consolidate the memory.
Wow I really want them to revisit this episode. When I first started listening to it I thought it was only 5 months old (the RUclips post date) but the half hearted semi defense of maybe he didn’t deserve an episode at the beginning and other sympathetic comments throughout made this very hard to listen to (it’s obvious he was having major trouble dropping his fanboy opinions of Elon at that time still in 2020 and I would hope that has changed) made me realize this had to be an archive episode so I checked the description. Still the Kanye comparison was apt and the writing was on the wall in 2020 and I just want to hear updated opinions now that he’s gone full mask off Nazi, all his degrees are fake, he’s been sicking people on the trans community, most of the abusive childhood and bullying was fake (Elon was the bully in most cases and that beating they mentioned came after Elon was bullying them and they fought back - we now know he just wanted this backstory of a bullied misunderstood genius), and he has been courting MAGA Republicans and helping Russia in their war against Ukraine. And that’s a very incomplete list.
SpaceX would still be making good progress without him being involved. It might have been doing better had he just thrown a lot of money at it, and then done NOTHING. So the best I can say about his involvement with it, is that he didn't drive it too far into the ground for it to survive.
The sympathy here seems a little weird to me, because probably every other single bastard this podcast has ever talked about had shitty childhoods, some much worse than Musk and they don't get this level of empathy, it kinda sour the episode for me.
I think my takeaway would be that this is a positive new development in their practice. This is only my second video of theirs, other than Scott Adams, who definitely didn't have that kind of childhood, so I can't really speak from experience. But as a whole, I like this approach, because people often are morally complex like that and I think the sympathy is a good reminder that we could've been bastards too if we grew up like that.
@@sageoftruth I understand that people are morally complex, but it's is annoying to me when it's done conditionally, in this same episode they talk about how horrible Sadam Russein was, a person who had a much, much, much, shittier childhood than Musk.
@bluester7177 Well and the slight defense of Erol owning an emerald mine. "Well we don't know how he came to own half of it" Does it matter how he got it when it's easy to summarize what he did with it either way?
Hmm you know, maybe I’m overthinking this, but given the general time period when Elon’s dad would’ve been buying that emerald mine… Granted, Zambia itself was never occupied by the fascists… But my spider senses are tingling fr… The Italian fascists DID occupy significant parts of Africa- Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, and Libya- & imposed genocidal ethnic cleansing & ethno-supremacist colonialism in large swaths of this territory which is very reminiscent of what South Africa was known for… That probably would’ve been the reason Italians would be there at all (especially given that they owned an emerald mine- these weren’t tourists). And South Africa wasn’t the only other white supremacist apartheid state in Africa, besides the fascist-occupied regions of North/Eastern Africa… There was also Rhodesia, which started out as an apartheid state within South Africa, iirc, but because it’s own thing. Now, post-independence & the end of apartheid, you’ll find former Rhodesia on the map as the contemporary country of Zimbabwe… Well, Rhodesia was/Zimbabwe is directly between South Africa & Zambia… So, taking his story to have some element of truth… You have Italians in Africa (red flag- in that era it’s not unlikely that they were there as a result of the fascist military conquest & genocidal colonization of the aforementioned Northern/Eastern African countries)… And they own emerald mines in Zambia, the smallish country immediately neighboring Rhodesia, which neighbors South Africa… And (I don’t know what the timeline looks like, but) probably somewhere around the time when the Italian occupation was ending & leaving Africa, they sold this emerald mine to another likely white supremacist family in another apartheid state, which they presumably believed would persist even as their occupation faded (since South Africa wasn’t an Italian fascist colony)… I’m going to have to look into the dates, see if I can piece together a timeline… But given the nature of this apartheid/ethnonationalist/fascist colonial network across Africa, it is rather striking, isn’t it? That Italians are involved, in this continent, in this period, alongside white South African apartheidists; that they sold the mine, in a country adjacent to Rhodesia, to a South African family who left Canada because of… Basically what fascists would consider “degeneracy” & chose to move to apartheid South Africa of all the countries on Earth… I’m seeing an awful lot of smoke for there NOT to be a fire in there somewhere…
Oh of course he's tied to The Scoop. We aren't really a better country, we just have better PR Edit: my parents used to hide my books so I'd play with toys, according to them.
The whole "no allegations of abuse" really aged like milk after the shit his trans daughter has said about him in response to lies he's said about her on TV.
IMO problem with Musk is he might not be the worst person in his childhood and at the same time he qualifies as the Bastard in flying colors at the same time which compounds with reality distortion effect
Michael Jackson comes to mind. The man had /serious/ issues, up to and including the not-proven-in-court-but-probably-true pedophilia. But given his upbringing of physical and emotional abuse, it's no surprise that he was so fucked-up. If he hadn't also become super-rich, he would probably have ended up in prison. But you know how it goes... a poor man with psychiatric problems is a dangerous criminal, a rich man with the same is an eccentric.
Honestly, no matter how bad someone is, it is out of their hands at some point. Either their environment made them bad or they were born bad. There are no other options. Either way, you don't actually get to choose who you become
He was actually the abuser (in the story about him being tossed down the stairs... that happened because he made fun of a kid's recently deceased parent), and he's probably lying about being neurodivergent as a cover for his sociopathic behavior.
Nope, I don't think you can compare the two. Draco grew out of his asshole horrible ways and Musk has not. He's a racist, misogynystic, oppressive person, that apparently is a bad father.
i gathered that but what has he done/said. honestly i would like to know. i used to listen to him before the 16 election. has he gone off on some dilbertesque meltdown?@@hardlyworking_
I can somewhat relate to the guest whomst I have forgotten the name of. When I was a small ween, I had to have grommets shoved in my ear canals due to fluid build up making me deaf for quite a bit relatively and unable to speak for a bit. I now just have to clean my ear canals quite often, because them mfs fill up with wax and are huge. Like getting noise-cancelling to work with ear buds is a pain, and I can hear and feel pressure changes when going up and down elevations when in a car or train. Hearing is kinda cool tho, so I wouldn't object if I was given a time machine and the ability to change the outcome of my life.
Electric cars: slave labor mining for lithium and using astronomical amounts of fresh water not as bad as drilling for oil, a fuel source which also runs the power plants that provide electricity to the charging stations for electric cars. Damn. Capitalism is enmeshed with fossil fuels. Even the supposedly eco friendly EVs. Almost like Capitalism is the problem....
@@gwynbleidd1917 oh? You think slave labor, labor camps and forcing poor people to work for "the common good" is a problem specific to capitalism, do you?
@@issecret1 did I say that those things are all specific to capitalism and only happen under it??? Or are you strawmanning because someone said something bad about your beloved socioeconomic system in which you aren't even a capitalist yourself lol
It's telling that you deleted your initial comment. Because yes, that's what your initial comment implied. That theose are properties of capitalism and happen because of it. You accuse me of strawmen while you delete your own from your comment. Because you know if you let it stand before my comment, people will see my "strawman" was exactly what you said
You dont think that naming a child Æ X-12 would have serious effects on their quality of life and social development? Or do you think that child should be allowed to suffer that fate because the government shouldnt interfere with how parents raise their children? There's no registry of names you have to pick from, this isnt a YA dystopian novel. Sometimes, oftentimes, people arent responsible enough to raise a kid, and often those who are the most outspoken about noone being able to tell them how to raise their kids are doing the worst job of it.
IT takes whomping privilege to PRESUME so far as to cold call influential strangers to ask for their personal time and attention, to say nothing of funds to buy lunch from wherever such people deem acceptably luxurious.
It's amazing how Elon Musk managed to turn his life around in the years since this was recorded, and is now a paragon of virtue in our community. Yep, he's not at all a far, far bigger catastrofuck of a human being today.
LOL
I'm now in love with that term. Thank you very much.
Its not even comparable, really. Its insane how many people he fooled into thinking he might be the smartest man alive. His time at twitter showed how much of a fraud he is.
i like how future-proofed this statement is.
Hahahahhahahah, ahhhhhhh, now this is hilarious
Man this episode is such a time capsule. What a wild time when we didn't know Elon's opinion of every single political issue, and couldn't escape knowing that.
I mean, if you know anything about his leadership style, his history with capital, his opinion on labour and labour rights, then you know that no matter how much he might pretend to be progressive or politically neutral, he is in fact just another fascist; if they hate workers, then they hate everyone else who isn't in power. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be the CEO of multiple billion dollar companies and not run them like an autocrat.
Smugface from Nvidia understands that, Bezos understands that and Jobs damn near reinvented it.
@julianmcmillan2867 indeed.
Man... November 2024, this is just plain frightening.
The guy's a lunatic.
Here's my thing about Musk's life growing up- he may say he hates his dad, or the way things were in S. Africa, but a a grown man he certainly doesn't act like someone who hates those things. Documented facts about how he treats his spouses and children. Documented facts about how he treats his workers. Documented fats about the kinds of rules he wants for society, whether he's building his own or trying to change this one. All those show him to be just like his dad and just like someone really fond for the white ruling class days of S. Africa. Sure some thing about his life sucked and some people treated him like shit. But instead of growing past it, he's taken 'hurt people hurt people' to industrial levels.
As a white S.African, here is a secret about the vast majority of people who look and sound like me: they desperately want Apartheid back. But they know people don't like that so they 13/50 discussions and are often "hard on crime". Since the majority of criminals are black because a majority of the population is black, they get to hide behind being tough on crime when really what they mean is "k*ffers are criminals and they belong in prisons". They are the kings of very discrete dog whistles.
so insane listening to this one in the future knowing he’s gone full alt right at this point. I keep waiting for them to mention his daughter who disowned him, or his attempt at running twitter, or literally anything else he’s done over the past three years. I always knew he wasn’t legitimately working for the good of people but if you’d asked me at the point this originally aired if he’d end up being one of today’s most powerful fascists, I don’t think I’d have been able to predict the extent to which he spiraled
what exactly is the 'alt' in altright?
@@mmm-mmm altright is kind of an outdated term at this point tbh, but it’s called that because the views they have used to be a lot more fringe within the right wing. I’d say people with altright views are definitely the majority of the right nowadays, but even a decade ago most of their fellow conservatives thought they were crazy + going way too far
@@sir-dame-sander ok, thanks for the answer. just couldn't figure out what was "alternative"... maybe they should start using the term "loony right".
On behalf of the International Order of Errols, Errol Musk is the Canonically worst Errol. And that's saying a lot when Errol Flynn is in the mix.
Aren't like 98% of the allegations against Flynn proven to have been made up entirely or incredibly altered facts of the events? Like, the woman who claimed he raped her also said she was madly in love with him and couldn't believe he chose her out of all people. And his biographer just straight made up shit because he 'had a gut feeling it was true.'
my god....revisit this episode now....hilarious that you back then compared the elon breakdown to the kanye breakdown, and they should keep it off twitter. I guess the writing was on the wall
Revisit it now to learn that under Musk's watch, Twitter has actually increased censorship at the request of dictatorships.
Begging for a revisit lol
Common Sense Skeptic did a thing about the stairs incident - what Elon left out what that he didn't just "bump into the guy" in the cafeteria. Apparently the guy's father had recently died (edit: apparently it was a suicide! /edit) and Elon made a joke about it. And *that's* why they went after him.
That doesn't excuse what happened to him... but it wasn't just some random bullying as he makes it out to be.
_He_ was the bully.
And Musk's dad was like "ok, fair enough, he deserved it" IIRC!
Knowing what we now know about him, a LOT of those stories about the computer rocket-building geek sound like complete bs
Carefully cultivated BS. One thing Muck did do well is cultivate his own image to promote his companies - the Edison strategy. The image of the lone genius inventor still has cultural power.
He wouldn't be able to build a Lego rocket
You can literally play his 1984 game "Blastar" online today.
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 and what relevance does that have to anything?
@@TheDarthbinkyhe was human and did at least some things I guess
Honestly I actually really enjoyed the fact that Sofiya wouldn't let things lie and would poke holes in the kind of narratives that get pushed for these dorks. I admire that, I can't say I'm a strong enough person to do that amongst people I consider my friends (but I do have my limits).
New to the podcast and instantly clicked "Subscribe" on "I want to make sure everyone is giving him shit for the proper reasons". Eff-ing loved it.
I've only just recently been recommended to your channel, but I have to say that I am really loving the depth of the content and the even-handedness of dealing with these truly terrible people.
It's so interesting to listen to this in context of everything that happened between 2020 when this was recorded, and now.
All the melting down on twitter since, yeah, but also the mention of it being a good thing dodging military service in Ukraine for her cousin
I think when he was asked to describe his version of socialism once, he described a world where resources are allocated, but, for the benefit of everyone, the greatest slices of pie should go to those already wealthy/successful so they can still be in charge of leading everyone else with their successfulness and wealth and... capital. So......... a type of capitalism in which they're absolved of all guilt for owning too much because someone OFFICIALLY picked them to be the best, smartest boys.
That's not an accurate description of what he said. The actual quote was: "By the way, I am actually a socialist. Just not the kind that shifts resources from most productive to least productive, pretending to do good, while actually causing harm. True socialism seeks greatest good for all."
Of course, his politics has changed dramatically over the past several years so I doubt he'd say that any more. And the main thing I'm sure he was referring to was his (outspoken) support for Universal Basic Income.
So business as usual?
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 Sounds like a pretty good description of what he said, then.
Rich trust fund kid 'sink or swim' is like they do a gymnastic routine on the floor while everyone else has the do the same on the balance beam.
And for some of us, they wrap it in barbed wire!
The story I heard on why Elon got pushed down the stairs was that he was mocking one of the kids because his father had just died by suicide. It was an interview with Errol talking about it.
*edited for accuracy
[Citation needed]
it was elon making a joke about the other kid's father committing suicide but c'mon dude. you could use google on the device you're using, instead of commenting "citation needed" like a dipshit
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 At this point we have literally *nobody's* word on this except for "AndrewWestfall65 at RUclips".
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 Yes, Elon was pushed down the stairs, and we have the world of multiple people.
What we don't have is the word of any people, except "Andrew Westfall 65 at RUclips", that it was because "he was mocking one of the kids because his mother had just died."
Hence: [Citation needed].
The proper answer to a [citation needed] request is: to give a citation.
If you can't: It's made-up internet BS.
We do have word though. We have Errol's word. Stop ignoring the fact that several people here have said that.
I dont think you can equate Elon hating South Africa with hating apartheid. He has no trouble behaving, speaking, and tweeting in a way that shows he thinks he owns people. And his contempt for those he considers beneath him is breathtaking.
I am of a similar age to Elon. People of our age didn't get assessed for autism unless we were beating our heads on the ground and playing with trains and dinosaurs. I had my tonsils and adenoids removed partially because they thought I was hard of hearing. I would just go off and zone out randomly. The sad thing is I was hard of hearing and autistic, but because of my hearing issues the autism was missed. I was bullied. I had weird levels of genius about some things, and was stupid about others. I could read at a college level, yet I couldn't learn to tell time. As an autistic person I can tell you that Elon is definitely on the spectrum. He is probably more on the spectrum than I am because I learned how to socialize almost to a "normal" level. Now don't get me wrong, I am not proud of Elon being an autistic person. Most of us are awesome, but when we are bad we are really really shitty people. I have an older brother who is Asperger Syndrome, mentally gifted, very very weird. He is also a true psychopath. You can be a psychopath and have autism. I think Elon is a psychopath. He devalues other people's lives.
Good point. Also blaming autism when he gets caught for something dumb or evil he did is a very psychopathing thing to do.
@@Studeb There is this misnomer that people with autism lack empathy. We show empathy in a different way, but many of us are even more empathetic than average. Some of us have something called "synthesia", meaning we have literal empathetic pain by being around people in pain. This is how I discovered I am highly likely to be autistic. It isn't some wuwu psychic thing. It is a condition where your body develops the symptoms of people you care about. Just thought I would mention that most autistic people are highly caring even if we do not understand certain emotions. Some of us can't get angry, or lack the ability to be romantic, etc, but that doesn't mean we completely lack emotion, or compassion for feelings we can't share.
@@karenholmes6565 I think everybody has some level of autism, at least I see some very lower level signs in myself. I have met very autistic people who seem very selfish, I consider this to be something different from typical psychopathy, but it still results in me not wanting to be anywhere near these people.
@@Studeb There is nothing wrong or ableist to decide that a certain person is not your vibe. It is another to describe all autistic people as "selfish". I can imagine some of us get hyper focused on our special interests and that would be off putting. Here is the thing though, autism at its root is a sensory and communication disorder. Autistic people are not innately selfish.
I find most allistic people to be some level of narcissistic, they reason from emotion. They can be extremely hierarchical. They often bully. The snobbery among allistics is pretty gross. Not all allistic people are like this, but a good many are.
Contrary to you, I don't think he is on the spectrum. I think he is self-diagnosed and in truth has a wholly different condition. The story about him being bullied is, like everything he says about himself, a distorted account, it was actually him who bullied another person who hit back.
He is not asocial, not in the way people on the spectrum are. He has an almost pathological need for adulation & praise. He also said himself that he has a great fear of being alone, and that's why he had so many divorces and quick re-marriages - that's not the kind of relationships people on the spectrum would or could have.
Thank you for saying out loud that knowing how to engage wealthy people with corporate experience and connections opens doors. That has been a defining feature of my path through life as one without that set of keys, and I didn't understand that while the defining was happening.
I refuse to call him anything but his full name: Elongated Muskrat. XD
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Your team could to 1000 episodes on this guy and I would listen to all of them.
Yeah a group of Italians in Africa in the late 70s or early 80s in desperate need of a plane were willing to pay around 8 times what it would cost new and owned part of an emerald mine just across the border from Rhodesia they wanted to get rid of. I am sure everything was legit.
I live in the bay and it’s CRAZY how much good will Elon has squandered.
How are your electronics not destroyed?
damn watching this from the future makes me really appreciate sofyia's anti-musk energy
That part about Kingston has me laughing. To this day, Queens/Kingstown is considered the party school and party city for our Universities/colleges. That tracks and has lasted over thirty yrs
Who’s here after Trump’s re-election, with Elon taking oligarch control of our government??
The episode that brought me finally to Behind The Bastards, after Elon's 2024 cabinet position announcement. Great show, will definitely be listening to the backlog!
Might need to do an update on the ol Muskareeno there, with all the ways he's gone even more off the deep end since 2020 lmao
2012 - Disney buys Lucanfilm for $4 billion (and immediately proceed to destroy it),
2022 - Creepy Musk buys TWITter for $44 billion - 44 BILLION - 11 times more than the Disney Purchase, thus making him, eh, 11 times SMARTER, yeah? Oh wait - he also immediately proceeded to destroy it. KNOB!
Which is why I don't think the 'wokeness' is the reason Disney sucks. I think it's just terminal corpo brain. As Musk demonstrates.
damn, hearing how similar Musk was to me as a child really makes me wonder if I'm also an asshole
Ashlee Vance is a guy, not a girl.
Yeah, I feel like this is important in a few places. A lot of his takes would probably not be a woman's take on the same situation.
Listening to this in 2023 is a trip.
The story about his dad letting him go to the computer class and then finding him at the front talking to everyone gives me "Young Jesus in the temple" vibes.
But is he really a career obsessed workaholic? It looks to me like he f*s around on twitter all day. I counted them once and he sent over 90 tweets in one day, I don't have time to do that with one job.
From 2017 to 2022, Musk posted on twitter about 10,000 times. Which works out to about 6 posts a day. Ok, that doesn't sound like a lot... but that's just original posts, that number doesn't include retweets, "likes", or replies, which he does far more frequently than original posts; nor does it include time spent reading, formulating posts/responses, and surfing, which, let's be honest, you can't really quantify but it all presumably happens. And this rate of posting hasn't changed significantly since his acquisition of the company in late 2022.
If he's the CEO of 4-5 companies... kinda seems like he doesn't actually do much for hose corporations. Especially where, as mentioned, he acquired twitter in late 2022 and seems to be spending an inordinate amount of time dealing with the mess he created there (as I type this, he is threatening to put Twitter behind a paywall, which obviously is a really good idea that couldn't possibly backfire).
Oh he also spends a lot of time - by his own admission - playing video games. I know for a fact he played Elden Ring last year.
@@TheDarthbinky I was counting both original tweets and replies, I didn't look at likes. It's hard to figure out where he finds the time when he's running three companies and wants people to think he's a real-life Tony Stark.
@@lisadioguardi5742I agree with you, I was just using numbers provided by Common Sense Skeptic, another youtuber who takes great joy in debunking Musk's nonsense. That 6 posts a day was just an average; presumably he goes WAY over that on some days and there may be days where he doesn't post anything. Your numbers are probably right for that timeframe you looked.
Oh yeah, I was rewatching a CSS vid earlier and he pointed out that Musk also does a lot of publicity stuff. He's constantly doing interviews, tedtalks, and those promotional things, like that one where he had a "dancing robot" that was just a guy in a terrible robot costume or the ones where he lies about the stuff he's about to come out with and then never comes out with it but his cultists want to jerk him off anyway.
That's more time spent away from his jobs as CEO.
12:55 I think he's a "Socialist" of the National kind.
A socialist in the "socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor" sense
At last! Thanks Robert.
This aged well 🤣
"These goods and services respect consent." I'm dying.
Important note about how he benefited from grandpappys citizenship is that Canada doesnt let autistic people immigrate here, and it is extremely likely that he was only able to come because of the familial connection. (Speaking as an autistic Canadian, this is a deeply screwed up situation, particularly given that the claimed purpose is to limit the burden on our support systems, and yet it is exceedingly difficult even for someone born here to get access to those supports)
Wait, what? That's awful! How do they even screen for that? Lots of autistic people don't even know they are.
That is BS
I believe Elon was traumatized at very early childhood, which led to him dissociating and being misdiagnosed with some other disorder around hearing and attention. It took me a lot of therapy to reach a point where I didn't dissociate. What happens is time freezes, your whole body clenches, and you become catatonic. Sometimes it happens while you are doing something, so your body kind of just keeps doing whatever repetitive pattern you were doing that doesn't require cognition, while your consciousness is sifting through memories to consolidate them. With very early childhood trauma, we don't retain much of the raw sensory input as memory, we just absorb it as a strong emotional response. Therefore, we grow up never knowing we were traumatized at very early childhood. We just grow up with these intense feelings and confusion around it all. Given how bad Elon's father was, there is no doubt that something traumatic happened either to him or around him at an age when he didn't properly consolidate the memory.
It seems to me that musk is just trying to get his lies straight.
He's alive. That's the right reason. He's alive.
Wow I really want them to revisit this episode. When I first started listening to it I thought it was only 5 months old (the RUclips post date) but the half hearted semi defense of maybe he didn’t deserve an episode at the beginning and other sympathetic comments throughout made this very hard to listen to (it’s obvious he was having major trouble dropping his fanboy opinions of Elon at that time still in 2020 and I would hope that has changed) made me realize this had to be an archive episode so I checked the description.
Still the Kanye comparison was apt and the writing was on the wall in 2020 and I just want to hear updated opinions now that he’s gone full mask off Nazi, all his degrees are fake, he’s been sicking people on the trans community, most of the abusive childhood and bullying was fake (Elon was the bully in most cases and that beating they mentioned came after Elon was bullying them and they fought back - we now know he just wanted this backstory of a bullied misunderstood genius), and he has been courting MAGA Republicans and helping Russia in their war against Ukraine. And that’s a very incomplete list.
Ikr? There's so much more material to work with in an episode now
Thank You:) Informative Color Commentary that actually is vividly colored for a change.❤🧡💛💚💙💜 You guys Fucking Kick Arse!!
Damn this really needs an update
SpaceX would still be making good progress without him being involved. It might have been doing better had he just thrown a lot of money at it, and then done NOTHING. So the best I can say about his involvement with it, is that he didn't drive it too far into the ground for it to survive.
If you're driving a rocket company into the ground, all you need to do is turn it upside down because someone assembled it wrong
If only he had the money to get some therapy for his issues... 😶
Update when?
The sympathy here seems a little weird to me, because probably every other single bastard this podcast has ever talked about had shitty childhoods, some much worse than Musk and they don't get this level of empathy, it kinda sour the episode for me.
I think my takeaway would be that this is a positive new development in their practice. This is only my second video of theirs, other than Scott Adams, who definitely didn't have that kind of childhood, so I can't really speak from experience. But as a whole, I like this approach, because people often are morally complex like that and I think the sympathy is a good reminder that we could've been bastards too if we grew up like that.
@@sageoftruth I understand that people are morally complex, but it's is annoying to me when it's done conditionally, in this same episode they talk about how horrible Sadam Russein was, a person who had a much, much, much, shittier childhood than Musk.
@bluester7177 Well and the slight defense of Erol owning an emerald mine.
"Well we don't know how he came to own half of it"
Does it matter how he got it when it's easy to summarize what he did with it either way?
Don't worrh, he turned out fine
1:06:49 This was pre -Raytheon as a sponsor? Because that would have been a great 'Knife missile" plug
I enjoyed the video! Thanks so much!
All hail the Algorithm.
Gonna need a part 3 now lol
It's wild listening to this in the future after the twitter debacle
This is way better post 2024 election
"She wanted to be Sylvia and Ted".
That's not a red flag?
Is she still alive?
yeah...
Its been a year and this episode already needs a lot of updates. Maybe start regular Musk update series.
4 years later and now he's an unelected official weighing in on house budgetary negotiations
The update to this will be interesting now he's gone full open Dork Maga or whatever he calls it
Errol Musk is maybe the only person on Earth whose version of events should NOT be given more credence than Elon's.
Hmm you know, maybe I’m overthinking this, but given the general time period when Elon’s dad would’ve been buying that emerald mine… Granted, Zambia itself was never occupied by the fascists… But my spider senses are tingling fr…
The Italian fascists DID occupy significant parts of Africa- Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, and Libya- & imposed genocidal ethnic cleansing & ethno-supremacist colonialism in large swaths of this territory which is very reminiscent of what South Africa was known for… That probably would’ve been the reason Italians would be there at all (especially given that they owned an emerald mine- these weren’t tourists). And South Africa wasn’t the only other white supremacist apartheid state in Africa, besides the fascist-occupied regions of North/Eastern Africa… There was also Rhodesia, which started out as an apartheid state within South Africa, iirc, but because it’s own thing. Now, post-independence & the end of apartheid, you’ll find former Rhodesia on the map as the contemporary country of Zimbabwe… Well, Rhodesia was/Zimbabwe is directly between South Africa & Zambia…
So, taking his story to have some element of truth… You have Italians in Africa (red flag- in that era it’s not unlikely that they were there as a result of the fascist military conquest & genocidal colonization of the aforementioned Northern/Eastern African countries)… And they own emerald mines in Zambia, the smallish country immediately neighboring Rhodesia, which neighbors South Africa… And (I don’t know what the timeline looks like, but) probably somewhere around the time when the Italian occupation was ending & leaving Africa, they sold this emerald mine to another likely white supremacist family in another apartheid state, which they presumably believed would persist even as their occupation faded (since South Africa wasn’t an Italian fascist colony)…
I’m going to have to look into the dates, see if I can piece together a timeline… But given the nature of this apartheid/ethnonationalist/fascist colonial network across Africa, it is rather striking, isn’t it? That Italians are involved, in this continent, in this period, alongside white South African apartheidists; that they sold the mine, in a country adjacent to Rhodesia, to a South African family who left Canada because of… Basically what fascists would consider “degeneracy” & chose to move to apartheid South Africa of all the countries on Earth… I’m seeing an awful lot of smoke for there NOT to be a fire in there somewhere…
Ah, someone who would be gone if only the SEC did their job.
OMG, someone else who called Jeff Bezos Bee-zos. I thought it was just me
We don’t need Elon musk for any of the things Musky boy had taken credit for
Oh of course he's tied to The Scoop.
We aren't really a better country, we just have better PR
Edit: my parents used to hide my books so I'd play with toys, according to them.
Oh....oh this isn't aging well
The whole "no allegations of abuse" really aged like milk after the shit his trans daughter has said about him in response to lies he's said about her on TV.
That's... Not what aging like milk means though.
@blakemorris2753 That's exactly what that means.
@@MrGksarathy no, that's where you are wrong
@@MrGksarathy it's precisely where you went wrong, which is why I made and make the claim that you misused the phrase
Privilege. It exists. But, talking to a banker? No. You can learn that by watching television and reading books.
31:32 A👏🏽D👏🏽H👏🏽D👏🏽
yea so this is gonna need a part 3
Can’t wait to hear about “Jamie Loftus/hammers”!!!!
IMO problem with Musk is he might not be the worst person in his childhood and at the same time he qualifies as the Bastard in flying colors at the same time which compounds with reality distortion effect
He's like the kid who wasn’t invited to the party but came anyway and shat in the pool just to get a reaction.
Child abuse sucks because it forces you to be slightly sympathetic towards assholes. That's probably the worst thing about it, tbh.
you and i live in different worlds. i've always thought traumatized/dead children would be the worst thing about child abuse :/
@@technopoptart - Yeah, I might not have been entirely serious about that.
@@FTZPLTC my bad, it is hard to place the vibe on written stuff and plenty of people would say this in ernest
Michael Jackson comes to mind. The man had /serious/ issues, up to and including the not-proven-in-court-but-probably-true pedophilia. But given his upbringing of physical and emotional abuse, it's no surprise that he was so fucked-up.
If he hadn't also become super-rich, he would probably have ended up in prison. But you know how it goes... a poor man with psychiatric problems is a dangerous criminal, a rich man with the same is an eccentric.
Honestly, no matter how bad someone is, it is out of their hands at some point. Either their environment made them bad or they were born bad. There are no other options. Either way, you don't actually get to choose who you become
1:04:19
*Big belly laugh*
🤣😂😫
Elon seems to have learned all the wrong lessons(or just didn't learn any) about being an abused neurodivergent.
He was actually the abuser (in the story about him being tossed down the stairs... that happened because he made fun of a kid's recently deceased parent), and he's probably lying about being neurodivergent as a cover for his sociopathic behavior.
Elon spacing out is actually just seizures and that explains his devolving mind
So Elon is basically Draco Malfoy. Very hateable, and then you see how his dad and his dad's friends treat 'em.
Nope, I don't think you can compare the two. Draco grew out of his asshole horrible ways and Musk has not. He's a racist, misogynystic, oppressive person, that apparently is a bad father.
That is insulting to Draco!
Waaaay too much benefit of the doubt is given Elon here. Wow
All this was before Elon bought Twitter too. 😂
And rebranded as X!
pre twitter buying elon deep dive ,,, its wild to hear anyone with a non decisive opinion abt muskrat
The "internship" was paid for by his dad.
I'm late to this, enjoying the podcast ... but I would like to point out one small thing ... Ashlee Vance ... is a man ... 🤣
....then there was TFG, who threatened his kindergarten teacher with hid dad's clout and threw rocks at the neighbor toddler in his crib.
A lot can happen in a year. You could do a whole new episode from just the last couple months. Leon is the moron genius
The "moron genius" is a beautiful and accurate moniker, well said.
"do you think I'm insane"
The blandest breed, yes
Whats wrong with nate silver? Why does robert not like him?
because he sucks
i gathered that but what has he done/said. honestly i would like to know. i used to listen to him before the 16 election. has he gone off on some dilbertesque meltdown?@@hardlyworking_
Yeah but what about what Elon contributed to Cadillacs and dinosaurs? But honestly I heard his coding is shit and stuff he wrote just didn't work.
I can somewhat relate to the guest whomst I have forgotten the name of. When I was a small ween, I had to have grommets shoved in my ear canals due to fluid build up making me deaf for quite a bit relatively and unable to speak for a bit. I now just have to clean my ear canals quite often, because them mfs fill up with wax and are huge. Like getting noise-cancelling to work with ear buds is a pain, and I can hear and feel pressure changes when going up and down elevations when in a car or train.
Hearing is kinda cool tho, so I wouldn't object if I was given a time machine and the ability to change the outcome of my life.
I didn't know Sophie lived in Odessa. I almost died there at age 4. Odessa sucks almost as bad as Musk.
God bless bad fathers. World wouldn't be the same without them.
That's disgusting.
@@bethanychatman9531 truth often is.
Elon Musk is a scammer and I’d want to snipe the short position, the only thing to look out is when the public perspective is changing.
Spacing out occasionally is associated with a number of neurological disorders, but seems to be common in certain heritable epilepsies.
I thought this was behind the bastards not an elon musk puff piece. Sheesh.
sympathetic or simpathetic
Electric cars: not a distraction from effecient transport and municiple design solutions.
Electric cars: slave labor mining for lithium and using astronomical amounts of fresh water not as bad as drilling for oil, a fuel source which also runs the power plants that provide electricity to the charging stations for electric cars.
Damn. Capitalism is enmeshed with fossil fuels. Even the supposedly eco friendly EVs.
Almost like Capitalism is the problem....
@@gwynbleidd1917 oh? You think slave labor, labor camps and forcing poor people to work for "the common good" is a problem specific to capitalism, do you?
@@issecret1 did I say that those things are all specific to capitalism and only happen under it??? Or are you strawmanning because someone said something bad about your beloved socioeconomic system in which you aren't even a capitalist yourself lol
@@gwynbleidd1917 what's your alternative to capitalism? What I'm trying to tell you is that those are not properties specific to capitalism, child
It's telling that you deleted your initial comment. Because yes, that's what your initial comment implied. That theose are properties of capitalism and happen because of it. You accuse me of strawmen while you delete your own from your comment. Because you know if you let it stand before my comment, people will see my "strawman" was exactly what you said
The waffling in this is legendary
I like this show, but anyone okay with the goverment being able to tell someone what their childs name can be is a little off.
You might not like this show then
Lol weird take.
US allows child brides and child labor, from the same side that disagrees with limits on what names should look like
You dont think that naming a child Æ X-12 would have serious effects on their quality of life and social development? Or do you think that child should be allowed to suffer that fate because the government shouldnt interfere with how parents raise their children? There's no registry of names you have to pick from, this isnt a YA dystopian novel. Sometimes, oftentimes, people arent responsible enough to raise a kid, and often those who are the most outspoken about noone being able to tell them how to raise their kids are doing the worst job of it.
IT takes whomping privilege to PRESUME so far as to cold call influential strangers to ask for their personal time and attention, to say nothing of funds to buy lunch from wherever such people deem acceptably luxurious.
You people have nothing better to do.
Honestly I hella thought Covid was gonna be a nothingburger for a decent while