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  • @joshwondra9821
    @joshwondra9821 Год назад +352

    Arminians in that book is in reference to a particular kind of Protestantism, named afer a dead guy named Arminius. It has nothing whoatsoever to do with Armenia, the Armenian people, or the orthodox church of Armenia.

    • @willhennessy864
      @willhennessy864 Год назад +126

      I'm glad you said it, that was driving me nuts. But, considering how much of this book is just bellyaching about "the Jews," I suppose I can't really blame the podcasters for thinking the author was just like, "hey, let's throw another ethnic group in there; you know, for flavor."

    • @joshwondra9821
      @joshwondra9821 Год назад +55

      @@willhennessy864 I’m just surprised he missed that, because the host and I both grew up in rural, southern Baptist, Texas, and hating the hell out of arminians is practically tradition

    • @hrwise89
      @hrwise89 Год назад +37

      I myself made that mistake once when I saw the Louis Theroux doc on the Westboro Baptist church. I was, oddly enough watching with an Armenian friend. The preacher dude started going OFF on Arminians, and I looked at my friend and said something like "Dude wtf! He's talking shit about your people!" And he looked confused for a sec before hitting me back with "He's saying ArmInians, dumbass." And then I looked up Arminians on Wikipedia, lol.
      I would say, assuming it is a typo rather than looking further into it is a bit more egregious of an error, but yeah.

    • @joshwondra9821
      @joshwondra9821 Год назад +8

      @@hrwise89 is that doc worth checking out? It seems like it might make a good hate-watch

    • @hrwise89
      @hrwise89 Год назад +9

      @@joshwondra9821 for sure, I'd say. I don't know if you've seen other Louis Theroux stuff, but he's really good overall, and that one is no exception. I knew OF Westboro before but not their beliefs and their real story before. They are very fucked up. Good interviews with members who have left or been kicked out.

  • @gailcbull
    @gailcbull Год назад +232

    Dan Olson from the RUclips channel Folding Ideas did a really solid breakdown of flat earth beliefs and why the shape of the earth is the least important part of what they believe. It explains everything you came across in that book.

    • @mookinbabysealfurmittens
      @mookinbabysealfurmittens Год назад +36

      OHHH yes! _In Search of Flat Earth_ was brilliant!

    • @markrobinowitz8473
      @markrobinowitz8473 Год назад +20

      @@mookinbabysealfurmittens Sounds like an edgy discussion.

    • @mookinbabysealfurmittens
      @mookinbabysealfurmittens 11 месяцев назад +16

      @@markrobinowitz8473 He's disproving flat earthers. What edgy?

    • @lilyeves892
      @lilyeves892 10 месяцев назад +9

      ​@@markrobinowitz8473that joke made my day 😂

    • @suzbone
      @suzbone 8 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@mookinbabysealfurmittens wooooosh ❤❤❤

  • @bstylesv1
    @bstylesv1 10 месяцев назад +44

    "Ancient guy in Egypt worked it out."
    Eratosthenes!! :D one of my favorite ancient Greeks

    • @swimbutsu2927
      @swimbutsu2927 6 месяцев назад

      But these disgusting liars said he calculated the circumference of the earth 3,000 years ago! Everyone knows that Eratosthenes lived around 2,300 years ago! Therefore, the Jews are conspiring to hide the flat earth!!

  • @Josieemon
    @Josieemon 8 месяцев назад +41

    I love how this book is ostensibly about the flat earth but 9/10 times when you turn to a random page it’s just some unhinged antisemitic rant with the conclusion of each of these rants being “these people are telling you the earth is round.”

  • @mikehjt
    @mikehjt Год назад +91

    Karl Marx did send Darwin a copy of 'Das Kapital', having been very impressed by 'On the Origin of Species'. Darwin did not read Marx's book, which is still in Darwin's library at Down House which is now a museum. In those days, publishers generally didn't cut the edges of the folded pages in a book, leaving it to owners to cut between each page. Darwin's copy does not have the pages cut, so he could not have read it. BTW, Marx's pal Friederick Engels was one of the first to propose that humans had evolved upright stance before large brains. For a very long time, the consensus was that big brains evolved first and upright stance only later, on the basis the 'highest races' were distinguished from the others by being smarter. Engels viewing labour as having primacy over capital got it right, as we now know.

    • @TheDarthbinky
      @TheDarthbinky Год назад +24

      In the mid-1800s, Marx wasn't quite the monster he's portrayed as today. He was barely on anyone's radar until he got involved with the First International in the 1860s-70s. There wasn't 150+ years of propaganda portraying him (and socialism/communism in general) as evil incarnate yet. So Darwin potentially having read Marx (whether he actually did or not) isn't particularly controversial. He was just one of many writers at the time, and not particularly well-known.

    • @DStecks
      @DStecks Год назад +16

      @@TheDarthbinky Also Darwin's ideas, and especially the interpretation of them that came to be called "Darwinism", are steeped in capitalist thought. People had proposed the basic concepts of evolution before Darwin, and arguably it was only his framing of it, which presents nature as working like capitalism, that resulted in its widespread popularity.

    • @HollowGolem
      @HollowGolem 9 месяцев назад +8

      @@DStecks Right, he's especially indebted to Malthus, who basically paved the way for natural selection by talking about populations competing over scarces resources in an explicitly capitalistic context.

    • @petebondurant58
      @petebondurant58 7 месяцев назад

      @TheDarthbinky
      Communism is widely regarded as evil, because communism IS evil. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot are bloody examples of this.

    • @craiggaulzetti2255
      @craiggaulzetti2255 4 месяца назад +1

      No. Darwin’s theory of evolution owes its origin to Hegel just like Marx’s theories. Prior to Hegel’s notion of the dialectic- the notion of change, of progression as opposed to stasis or cyclical change wasn’t really philosophical construct. The idea of change and motion and antagonisms creating and destroying and “evolving” is a 17-18th century concept. The whole idea of fundamental change- be it evolution, class struggle, or even Freudian notions of psychoanalysis and real development of human psyche all owes the fact that it can even be considered to Hegel’s introduction of the concepts of the dialectic and praxis. Prior to this human thought was informed by notions of the eternal, cyclic change (if any change) and the repetitive patterns of history, biology, and any other human experience.

  • @kevinkorenke3569
    @kevinkorenke3569 Год назад +51

    20:54 the best part of that filmed experiment is that was the fallback after their initial attempt failed. They dropped $10k on a measuring device that proves we rotate at something like 15 degrees/hr. That device proved the flat earthers wrong and they fell back on the loght experiment, still wrong.

  • @seelcudoom1
    @seelcudoom1 Год назад +88

    fun fact: while Egregore is not a monster in the dnd monster manual, it IS one in its spiritual sequel pathfinder, egregores are an actual concept in mysticism, basically think a tulpa(or a jojo stand) but manifested from a group instead of a single individual

    • @foofaloop
      @foofaloop Год назад +8

      cant believe Made in Heaven was the Egregore

    • @louisvictor3473
      @louisvictor3473 Год назад +2

      How is pathfinder DnD's spiritual successor when DnD is still a thing? At most it is an offshoot, the "spiritual successor" and indeed successor to DnD is just the latest version of DnD which is still active.

    • @seelcudoom1
      @seelcudoom1 Год назад +11

      @@louisvictor3473 no thats a normal sequel, a spiritual successor doesent actually require the original end (spin offs are still sequals after all) though in this ase it was designed specifically as 3.5s successor

    • @louisvictor3473
      @louisvictor3473 Год назад +2

      @@seelcudoom1 You described an offshoot, champ.

    • @seelcudoom1
      @seelcudoom1 Год назад +2

      @@louisvictor3473 ya and an offshoot of a game is a sequel, thus an offshoot thats not an official continuation is a spiritual sequel

  • @Hexphile
    @Hexphile 11 месяцев назад +36

    Would love to see the flat earthers and the hollow earthers debate, winner gets their own history channel show.

    • @DoveAlexa
      @DoveAlexa 10 месяцев назад +7

      Why not make that debate the series?

    • @mahtimonni97
      @mahtimonni97 6 месяцев назад +6

      Compromise: the earth is the lid of a massive barrel! In the barrel live lizards and ghouls and probably the og grand cyclops!

    • @--enyo--
      @--enyo-- 12 дней назад

      I think they both already have their own shows.

  • @warmachine5835
    @warmachine5835 Год назад +41

    36 minutes in, Cody's brain audibly snaps.

    • @warmachine5835
      @warmachine5835 Год назад +2

      "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" hoooo boy it's been a minute, but hoooooo boy, y'all should do a Matt Bracken one of these days.

  • @gregmark1688
    @gregmark1688 Год назад +81

    Here's a tiny lie in there that most people wouldn't catch: it's not possible that they changed the hatch on the Apollo 1 capsule "that morning". That thing was deeply integrated into the capsule, and would have taken months to change from inward-opening to outward. That's probably why NASA didn't change the hatch design even after the astronauts told them they didn't like it. Also, I don't know about the report that supposedly went missing, but there certainly were very long, detailed reports that covered many, many mistakes NASA had made that led to the deaths of those men. If they were trying to hide anything, they failed miserably. (My dad was there that morning, and the bottom of the rocket, waiting to go inspect the capsule after the test, is how come I know more about it, I should humble brag ... I mean, add.)

    • @cmfort2696
      @cmfort2696 2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you for speaking with such authority that we all take as fact.

    • @gregmark1688
      @gregmark1688 2 месяца назад +1

      @@cmfort2696 Anything anybody says is always just like, their opinion, man.
      I assume everybody else knows this, so I don't waste time saying "This is just my opinion, but ..." because, ofc it's just my opinion. Some way you would rather that me from nearly a year ago should have phrased my comment?

  • @solbradguy7628
    @solbradguy7628 Год назад +112

    The "scales falling from your eyes" bit at the beginning from the back of the book is most likely a biblical reference to an event where Jesus healed a blind man. Jesus mixed mud with his spit I believe, dipped his finger in that, touched the man's eyes, and scales fell from his eyes. His blindness was then cured and he could see. So that was probably trying to say that we've all been blind before realizing these truths about the flat earth or whatever. Probably nothing to do with lizard people, though I wouldn't be surprised if the author believes in that too.

    • @portmantologist
      @portmantologist Год назад +7

      I'm curious if the "scales" referred to in the original story were cataracts.

    • @critormiss6084
      @critormiss6084 Год назад +22

      It's from the Bible, but this is the wrong bit. Jesus healed the blind man but no scales fell from his eyes.
      Much later, after the Resurrection, Christianity is spreading, Paul (at this point very fervently Jewish) is going around inquisiting Christians. Jesus appears to him, tells him to cut it out, and strikes him blind. This convinces Paul that maybe he should rethink his theology and he goes to the house of a certain Christian lad whom Jesus tells to heal Paul and trust him.
      The guy then heals Paul, and "something like fish scales" falls from his eyes.

    • @wanderinghistorian
      @wanderinghistorian Год назад +2

      @@critormiss6084 I tip my hat to you good sir or madam for your Biblical literacy! Bravo!

    • @wanderinghistorian
      @wanderinghistorian Год назад +3

      @@portmantologist Fun fact, if you read the Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts (also by Luke) you can tell that Luke was a physician because he gives additional details on the healings Jesus and His apostles did. I mean it's the ancient world so don't expect Taber's but he DOES give some anatomical details.

    • @Altimaden
      @Altimaden Год назад

      rubbing spit mud in peoples eyes?? that is just downright disgusting

  • @noxthemc7717
    @noxthemc7717 Год назад +38

    Ah, Christianity and conspiracy theories... two awful tastes that taste worse together

    • @BaronVonQuiply
      @BaronVonQuiply Год назад +3

      _"More Tramadol and Vegemite? I'll call the waiter over."_

    • @FakeSchrodingersCat
      @FakeSchrodingersCat 5 месяцев назад

      This isn't even Christianity. Half of this was declared heresy 2000 years ago. It reads more like if Himmler had been obsessed with Gnosticism rather then Germanic pagans.

    • @c4tl4dy76
      @c4tl4dy76 4 месяца назад

      To be fair, almost all religions prime people for falling into conspiracy theories because they all require a level of tolerance for cognitive dissonance and faith in the illogical.

  • @GlenGarcia1961
    @GlenGarcia1961 Год назад +14

    54:16 This reminds me of the Rifftrax short "Is Corn Grass?" They ask the question at the beginning, but they never get around to answering it. Hello? Flat Earth? Scales from the eyes? You know? LOL.

    • @BaronVonQuiply
      @BaronVonQuiply Год назад +2

      I assume you know the answer, but if anyone doesn't, corn is indeed a grass.
      Which means if you smoke weed through a corncob pipe...

  • @AutumnJazz90
    @AutumnJazz90 Год назад +44

    Arminian refers, in a nutshell, to the theological position of human free will, named for Dutch theologian Jacobus Arminius, taken by some Christians in opposition to Calvinism, or hard determinism. It has nothing to do with the region. Cheers.

  • @MultiTrollface999
    @MultiTrollface999 5 месяцев назад +6

    hearing the mention of planes not working hits hard now. lmao

  • @benjaminmatheny6683
    @benjaminmatheny6683 Год назад +17

    Nice to have a relatively light-hearted episode.

  • @sophia-helenemeesdetricht1957
    @sophia-helenemeesdetricht1957 Год назад +21

    55:22 - I think, at the core of it, they have sublimated a desire for self-actualization into a hero complex. And because capitalist society has very little use for heroes and in fact any hero not carefully managed could become a _people's_ hero, almost none of these chuds are going to be heroes because that's how the world works. The age of heroes is dead. Or, more accurately, never existed. Since their frustrated hero complex can't be reconciled with the pale, gray reality of our complex world, where such things as heroes are ostentatious and mostly unwanted, they create another in which they _can_ be a hero. Which again, is an abstracted form of self-actualization.
    Society as it exists today has taken so much from us, and some people will do anything to avoid facing the truth.

    • @suzbone
      @suzbone Год назад +4

      Really interesting analysis

    • @inimitableminimalist
      @inimitableminimalist 25 дней назад +2

      "In such a perspective everybody is educated to become a hero. In every mythology the hero is an exceptional being, but in Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death." Umberto Eco

  • @Bluecho4
    @Bluecho4 Год назад +26

    That the book drives directly into the realm of fantasy (and esotericism) is not surprising. Over a long enough timeline, all conspiracy theories must endow the conspiracy with supernatural power to fill the mounting logical gaps in the theory. "They" need to be so powerful to maintain the lie, they functionally become gods. All conspiracy theories trend towards a form of Gnosticism, where the god of the physical world is malicious and deceitful and all-powerful.

  • @packman2321
    @packman2321 Год назад +18

    To my understanding one of the methods of figuring out the world was round is as simple as 'Watch a ship travel over the horizon and bend slightly while doing so' while another is 'draw a large triangle and accurately measure the angles' (though I think that one requires a triangle between cities, so I don't know in practice whether that was something anyone did, or if it's just presented as an example to demonstrate that the greeks had access to technology (the triangle) which made working this out simple.

    • @louisvictor3473
      @louisvictor3473 Год назад +5

      Yep, that is pretty much it. It was an observation, and then eventually a nerd did the numbers (which was basically just some clever use of basic trigonometry, ihis cleverness was in putting some observations together to figure out he could set up a primary school trigonometry class problem to figure out the circumference). The technology the guy had access to was people to pace out the distance between two cities, some hear say about how a shadow looks out in the other city, a shadow, and his brain.

    • @CharlieNoodles
      @CharlieNoodles Год назад +6

      Eratosthenes wasn’t trying to prove the Earth was round, it was already common knowledge that the earth wasn’t flat. He wanted to figure out the size of the earth. The Greeks had deduced the Earth was a sphere from many different observations. Ships on the horizon was one, but a better one was lunar eclipses. They realised it was the earths shadow being cast on the moon and the shadow was always perfectly round. Only shape that always casts a round shadow is a sphere.
      That being said triangles do prove the earth is round due to spherical excess. The internal angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees except on a rounded surface where the angles add up to more than 180 degrees. Surveys that have been done all show this spherical excess. There’s some pretty good vids on RUclips that explain it.

  • @CosmoNautica22
    @CosmoNautica22 Год назад +14

    Shout out to Eratosthenes

  • @packman2321
    @packman2321 Год назад +16

    I'm going to assume that we're dealing with early Zoastrian logic with the planets and they're just demons chained to the stars (They're a big globe with rings because that's what demons look like apparently)

  • @disclaimer5911
    @disclaimer5911 Год назад +16

    Jews jews jews ...
    Who wrote this crazy shit Kanye west?

    • @SgtKaneGunlock
      @SgtKaneGunlock Год назад

      good one

    • @alucard347
      @alucard347 Год назад +9

      Who's this Kanye west dude?
      Is he related to yedolf by chance?

    • @BaronVonQuiply
      @BaronVonQuiply Год назад +2

      @@alucard347 Yung Hitty, I think they called him.

    • @CliffSedge-nu5fv
      @CliffSedge-nu5fv 10 месяцев назад +4

      If Kanye were literate he might write a book like this.

  • @Chaosqueenngami
    @Chaosqueenngami 2 месяца назад +3

    3:51 I think it’s called a blurb.

  • @ChrisCaskiemrgilder
    @ChrisCaskiemrgilder Год назад +6

    The whole "boiled pig anuses" thing took me back to my youth, watching Amy Poehler on the Upright Citizen's Brigade TV show. "OH NO PIG ANUSES" . . .
    Thank you for that!

  • @andrewdunn8778
    @andrewdunn8778 Год назад +32

    As someone who had never heard of Arminian Christianity, as soon as Robert Evans said "it's not even spelled right!" I kind of rolled my eyes and thought, oh okay so they're probably not talking about Armenians then?
    To be fair, i made a similar mistake myself years ago; some antisemite was talking Christian theology at me, and he said "arianism" (as in nontrinitarianism) but I didn't know what that meant and mistakenly assumed he was referring to aryanism, the racial concept.

    • @mookinbabysealfurmittens
      @mookinbabysealfurmittens Год назад +2

      There _is_ Armenian Christianity, though. The Armenian Church is absolutely a thing. They're pretty orthodox, from what I recall. (My memory is terrible; that's the extent of my recollection.)

    • @FakeSchrodingersCat
      @FakeSchrodingersCat Год назад +4

      @@mookinbabysealfurmittens Sure but Arminianism is a branch of Calvinism and had a lot of influence in most North American evangelical denominations. The Arminian are also the target of a lot of old European conspiracy theories while the Armenians are only really the target of Turkish conspiracy theories.

    • @mookinbabysealfurmittens
      @mookinbabysealfurmittens Год назад

      @@FakeSchrodingersCat I just said that the Armenian Church is a thing. And that it's nothing to do with the "arminian" thing, which I didn't know about and don't really care cos it seems like conspiracy bollocks. Cheers, though.

    • @What-lt3lj
      @What-lt3lj Год назад +1

      ​@@FakeSchrodingersCatarminianism is NOT a branch of calvinism. In fact, it could be described as the anti-calvinism.

    • @FakeSchrodingersCat
      @FakeSchrodingersCat Год назад +3

      @@What-lt3lj You are right, I overstated the connection. It was a direct reaction to the rise of Calvinism and rejection of predestination.
      Though I would argue that just like Lutheranism was an offshoot of Catholicism viewed as a reformation correcting errors in doctrine, Arminianism's framing of their beliefs specifically as a rejection of Calvinist ideas of predestination is a valid link. Outside of that disagreement they share a lot of common theology.

  • @NarffetWerlz
    @NarffetWerlz 9 месяцев назад +12

    I thought Egregore was a demon from Shin Megami Tensei usually vulnerable to lightning. So the next time you see someone egregoring, try casting some Zio on them.

    • @wumbojet
      @wumbojet 5 месяцев назад +2

      I mean, with very pointed exceptions, all smt demons are actual characters from mythology, pop culture, urban legends or religions

  • @chrysshart
    @chrysshart 9 месяцев назад +11

    It's humorous to me that the text of the book ends on page 616 since that's the actual "number of the Beast". I wonder if somebody did that on purpose as a joke?

  • @markrobinowitz8473
    @markrobinowitz8473 Год назад +2

    I hope you weren't sober when you read these excerpts. Reminds me of a fun evening when a friend showed me his copy of the Book of Mormon and we read random sections (not sober). And "Egregore" reminds me of a character from Winnie the Pooh.

    • @DoveAlexa
      @DoveAlexa 10 месяцев назад

      Do NOT take a drink everytime you read 'and they muttered', you will die. Or 'and it came to pass'

  • @wanderinghistorian
    @wanderinghistorian Год назад +6

    Arminians refers not to the country or people of Armenia but followers of the teacher Arminius, a Biblical theologian. Arminianism is in opposition to Calvinism taught by (among many) John Calvin during the Reformation. In very broad terms, Arminians believe that humans must place their faith in Jesus and God of their own free will and volition, whereas Calvinists believe that humans inherently resist God's offer of salvation because of sin and that only through an act of grace on God's part can the human being perceive it's sin and need for Jesus and therefore come to Him in faith. Free will vs. determinism, essentially.

  • @BaronVonQuiply
    @BaronVonQuiply Год назад +3

    53:36 Phosphorus can be hard to come by in some soils and it is one of the 3 major plant nutrients.
    Battlefields where the dead are buried on location have concentrations of calcium phosphate, calcium being another essential nutrient and alkaline metal capable of liming soil.
    I'm not saying that the very people who spread the blood libel myth were likely eating bread grown with the bones of dead soldiers, but I might be lying about that first part of this sentence.

  • @JustAGuy-q1n
    @JustAGuy-q1n 11 дней назад +1

    I've read a few accounts of the Perimeter Defense (AKA: "Dead Hand") system and there's a lot of disagreement between them, which you'd expect of a secret nuclear defense project in the waning days of the USSR. One version holds that it was proposed to Soviet military command, who turned it down in disgust. Another states that it was approved and built, mainly to mollify hard-liners who wanted to launch a preemptive attack on the US in response to the "Star Wars" initiative. There's versions of the story insisting everything between.

  • @auraclesong7208
    @auraclesong7208 Год назад +6

    What a wild book. Damn.

  • @dmbindallas
    @dmbindallas 4 месяца назад +4

    Oh for f’s sake. Darwin wasn’t an atheist. He was closer to a deist

    • @vonriel1822
      @vonriel1822 28 дней назад

      Yeah, pretty much every European scholar of note prior to the 1900s was a person of some kind of faith. Not only is atheism as a concept somewhat new to the West, but the whole science-vs-religion nonsense is iirc a manufactured culture war that started in the early 1900s.

  • @tjjones621
    @tjjones621 Год назад +6

    Flatearth map reward now at $70,675,239 ANTARCTICA IS NOW OPTIONAL! All flatearthers use the exact same map of Earth for directions so, I just want to know.... WHAT'S THE FREEKEN HOLD UP DUDES?! Seriously, what's the delay? Still not enough money??? [Seriously, where’s the map?]

  • @chim-choo-ree
    @chim-choo-ree Месяц назад +1

    I'm a communist, for a while now, and I've never heard of Egregor. Maybe that's just a manifestation of the Communist Order's lack of confidence in my potential. 🤷‍♂

  • @LMvonLebkuchen
    @LMvonLebkuchen 6 месяцев назад +1

    39:21 "Fauna and flora prove the earth is flat"
    Well, Merriweather says it's bullsht and she was always my favorite.

  • @butHomeisNowhere___
    @butHomeisNowhere___ 3 месяца назад +1

    Hey guys, egregor here

  • @nerag7459
    @nerag7459 9 дней назад

    "Hey baby, wanna come over to my place and see my Egregore?"

  • @Blunderbuss09
    @Blunderbuss09 Год назад +4

    11:30 - This whole idea is really well exemplified by the fact that the Earth is in what's called the 'Goldilocks Zone', a perfect expression of being medium. Not too hot, not too cold, just right. :)

  • @Eruidraith
    @Eruidraith Год назад +6

    Arminians are a reference to Jacobus Arminius, y'all. He was a theologian who developed a variation of Calvinist ideas called Arminianism after himself. It's not a reference to Armenia or Armenians. It ain't even spelled the same way.

  • @Jonnyg325
    @Jonnyg325 Месяц назад +1

    Poor Cody, he sounds like he's losing his mind

  • @hillside21
    @hillside21 Год назад +3

    I support Darless Godwinism

  • @louisvictor3473
    @louisvictor3473 Год назад +8

    I find their mention of relatively very telling. Here is a thing, the roundness of earth has pretty much fuck all to do with relativity. Heck, it barely has to do with physics. It is an observation, be it from the pictures taken from space, or from observing how things work and doing some basic primary school mathematical derivation (which is literally what the guy from 300 BCE used, it is really simple trigonometry - cleverly applied to reality, but still really simple). Heck, classical/newtonian mechanics could be proven wrong, congrats we now would have no clue why it is round them... still wouldn't change that it is round, because that is above all an observation, not a conclusion derived from physics equations and theory. In short, they mentioning it as if it matters just reinforces they've 0 idea wtf they're talking about.

    • @BaronVonQuiply
      @BaronVonQuiply Год назад +1

      A similar thing occurs with people who argue against evolution without comprehending that the explanation came about thousands of years after the observation that it happens, and thus it doesn't matter who said what when, we still evolved.

    • @LoneWolf343
      @LoneWolf343 4 месяца назад +2

      Relativity really pisses authoritarians off because it calls into question their idea of how the universe works.

  • @babyface3396
    @babyface3396 3 месяца назад

    The agregor(sp?) part sounds like the plot of ffxiv

  • @mikeitkulof
    @mikeitkulof Месяц назад

    The 'egregor' thing probably comes from the golem myth.

  • @FoxMacLeod2501
    @FoxMacLeod2501 Год назад +1

    At 37, yet to hear it once in all audio media, **this** show has given me _2_ mentions of skinks - _so far!_ - and leaves me with a sense of well-directed anticipation of further skink speak in some of the ~400 extant episodes, plus the future releases this new fan and subscriber is excited to experience!
    Oh and I think it's fine that Johnston and Stoll are allowed to hang out, too, I guess. Their show is okay and stuff JK Y'ALL - I AM ECSTATIC TO HEAR SOME MOAR OF THE SOME MORE-ONS I ALREADY LOVE SO MUCH!

  • @dakinayantv3245
    @dakinayantv3245 6 месяцев назад

    Maybe they think the flat earth is held up by an infinite column of turtles.😅

  • @zainmudassir2964
    @zainmudassir2964 6 месяцев назад +1

    Wow good expose of flat earth conspiracy

  • @commandantcarpenter
    @commandantcarpenter 4 месяца назад +1

    and yet, somehow, i am not surprised.

  • @OsirisLord
    @OsirisLord 6 месяцев назад +2

    You're Cody no one is saying humans came from apes because humans are apes. Apes are the branch of Old World primates who don't possess prehensile tails and includes chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, urangutans, and hominids of which Homo sapiens is the only surviving species.

  • @bigatomicsloth3369
    @bigatomicsloth3369 4 месяца назад +1

    Egregor is used in the Desriny franchise. Lol

  • @jamesbowditch3241
    @jamesbowditch3241 9 месяцев назад

    The egregore came up to me, tears in its eyes and said...

  • @judithbradford9130
    @judithbradford9130 Год назад +4

    don't forget the flat earth grifters who know it's horseshit

  • @LauriesLegacy
    @LauriesLegacy 2 месяца назад

    Am I the only one that wonders if maybe Katy has, like, a murder room in her basement or a sex-dungeon or maybe just eats a lot of THC gummies?
    Who can consistently come across as that bubbly and cute? o.O

    • @sparkycjs
      @sparkycjs 2 месяца назад

      Ted should have married her!

  •  7 дней назад

    Arminians =/= Armenians.
    (...)
    Canada and Norway are in no way medium.

  • @FlameDarkfire
    @FlameDarkfire Год назад

    IMMEDIATELY DEMONITIZED

  • @evilsdouble
    @evilsdouble 11 месяцев назад

    Where is gorbo

  • @dudeist_priest
    @dudeist_priest Месяц назад

    ABS is always be SKANKIN. Robert has let down the ska community

  • @petehjr1
    @petehjr1 3 месяца назад

    Surprise!

  • @THEHAR0LD
    @THEHAR0LD 7 месяцев назад +1

    Aside from everything else (and that is a big aside) doesn't the Torah also describe the earth as being flat with the firmament and all that, and that's part of the same books that got reused in the Bible?

  • @hunterapena
    @hunterapena Год назад

    I'd like to imagine that the author meant if we stopped hating jewish folk, they will disappear.

  • @VooshSpokesman
    @VooshSpokesman 7 месяцев назад +2

    Love from a SirSic and Vaush fan!

  • @kingofsting19
    @kingofsting19 5 месяцев назад

    The Greek guy who did the calculations 3000 was, as some have already pointed out, Eratosthenes of Cyrene, and the way he did it was measuring the distance between two cities along the same line of meridian (Alexandria and Syene), the angle of the light of the sun through a sun rod located at these cities, and the time it took for the sun's position relative to ours to complete this cycle, then basically extrapolated out the number of meridians there would need to exist for there to be enough land for the day/night cycle to be as it was.
    Sorta like a 3D equivalent of finding out how big a whole pizza might have been from the span of a single slice and how many bites it'd take you to finish. Inexact, but not inaccurate.

  • @detritusofseattle
    @detritusofseattle 4 месяца назад

    An aggregor is a kind of thoughtform that takes on a life of its own. Thoughtforms are mental objects that a person or a group has meditated on and focused a lot of psychic energy towards. They usually have some sort of mystical purpose or symbolic/ritual importance. They can be literal objects or characters. The point is to use them as a kind of focus point for a particular end.
    Aggregors are basically that, but writ large, so large that no one actually controls them anymore. They are self-sustaining as long as people know about them.
    I find it amusing that he thinks that the Juice worship one, but that he doesn't realize his God is one too. All gods are- most likely. Humans created thoughtforms as a means of trying to manipulate nature. They made offerings, gave prayers to these entities. Over time, faith in them grew so strong that they took on a life of their own. Thoughtfotms that failed to do that faded away, forgotten. There's been millions of them throughout history.

  • @dmbindallas
    @dmbindallas 4 месяца назад +1

    Correction: A) Jehovah is a made up word. The reformation leaders didn’t know Hebrew very well and mistranslated Adonaii (Lord or master) into German, which is where the j comes from.
    B) sorry Cody with the showdy, Jehovah isn’t really a Latin word. Sort of forced into Latin

    • @LillianWard-mw4qe
      @LillianWard-mw4qe 3 месяца назад +1

      Pretty sure it’s a quote from Last Crusade.

    • @sparkycjs
      @sparkycjs 2 месяца назад

      It's YHWH iirc which means just "I am"

  • @pssurvivor
    @pssurvivor 8 месяцев назад +2

    why do american people assume engineers are especially smart? Is it because higher ed is expensive, hence exclusive, in the US? I'm Indian. Here if you spit in any direction, you're bound to end up assaulting 5 different types of engineers

    • @sullendragon8900
      @sullendragon8900 8 месяцев назад

      Hmm, maybe it's just because in the US we have a high proportion of people who do non-stem jobs? I really don't know. But engineers take a lot of math classes, usually do math in their jobs (I assume), and it's got more practical application than things like teaching or theoretical physics (and that practical application tends to be associated with common sense, so we think of them as having two kinds of intelligence.) That's just a quick theory with absolutely no research, though!

    • @LoneWolf343
      @LoneWolf343 4 месяца назад +1

      That's a very long and complicated topic. The quick and dirty answer is American culture has this faux-meritocratic idea that if you have a job that involves a lot of book-learning and that pays well (the money part is important; academics aren't seen as being as special,) then you clearly must be very smart. This feeds the ego of some--some not most-- members of the trade classes who try to wave their credentials around to mark themselves as an authority in fields they have no training in. This is especially bad with the military when someone joins up for a two-year-tour of palette-pushing, officially becomes a "vet," and believe that somehow qualifies them to be experts on politics.

    • @cjtherou4427
      @cjtherou4427 2 месяца назад

      Because engineers and most stem lords here act like self important snobs. They think they are part of the group that builds society and so are the most important people, which leads to big headedness in a hyper individualistic nation like America. There are many other issues that play into it too, like education being paywalled as you mentioned. The average American reads at a third grade level.

  • @cmfort2696
    @cmfort2696 2 месяца назад +1

    Yes,
    Thank you wikipedia

  • @sd-ch2cq
    @sd-ch2cq 7 месяцев назад

    So to be clear: the arminians are named after a dude called 'Jakob Hermanszoon' who was being fancy with his last name.

  • @sampagano205
    @sampagano205 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wasnt Marx the guy who sent darwin a copy of Capital? Im pretty sure thats how it happened, because marx was a huge darwin fanboy.

  • @mattday2656
    @mattday2656 Год назад

    who does't have kuniform Das Kapital? geez, lol.

  • @cmfort2696
    @cmfort2696 2 месяца назад +1

    In other words
    The flat earth society is disinfo
    Purposefully
    You just got sidetracked
    We'll see who laughs last

  • @richsackett3423
    @richsackett3423 Год назад

    Followers of Armin. Duh.

  • @otsoko66
    @otsoko66 Год назад

    pretty impressive when the people making fun of a flat-earther book know even less than the writers of the book. This one was too painful to listen to.

    • @louisvictor3473
      @louisvictor3473 Год назад +11

      Oh my, do share your "wisdom". I will be making a buttload of popcorn for when I read it.

    • @suzbone
      @suzbone Год назад +2

      Please, _do_ go on lololololol 🤡 🔔 😂

  • @mssuxmyass
    @mssuxmyass Год назад +8

    I usually don't comment as I'm listening, but I must disagree with Cody, we're not done evolving until we are extinct. edited after watching... ya'll can have Aragorn, because I'm stealing "that's classic Marx.".

  • @russianbot8576
    @russianbot8576 Год назад +20

    tbf a lot of names in d&d and fantasy take some sounds from [ancient] hebrew names. egregor is from the book of enoch, and is a word used a lot in the occult.
    but anti-semites often conflate occultism and kabbalah, so colour me unsurprised.

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 Год назад +1

      I think technically the kaballah might be occult, but from a jewish conservative sect thing thats not what we usually would call occult. ok its maybe more obscure mysticism but close enough.
      ot that allthat ancient names arent everywhere in popculture no matter from where

    • @DaBoweh
      @DaBoweh Год назад

      I'm not sure if they appear in any old obscure dnd books but the Egregore _is_ a cr10 aberration in a pathfinder bestiary. Not just a borrowed word either, the PF Egregore is a being created by the collective consciousness of an evil cult, which results in a 'cult mind,' basically a hive mind, which grants bonuses to the cult members which created it. Some real c'thulu shit, and also the kind of entry you can build an entire campaign around.

  • @jessaminehaak8253
    @jessaminehaak8253 6 месяцев назад +9

    People really slept on Cody's "in the Latin alphabet, Jehovah starts with an i" reference XD

  • @MylesLocken
    @MylesLocken 4 месяца назад +9

    "I had a dungeon master once. He was a young earth creationist."😅😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @phaIIicaIIyimpaired
    @phaIIicaIIyimpaired 4 месяца назад +15

    'The flat earth society has members all around the globe' 🎉

  • @rileyfaelan
    @rileyfaelan Год назад +11

    (13:29) I can't get over the flat-earthers not defining _rulers of the Earth_ as some sort of divine drafting instruments.

  • @GlenGarcia1961
    @GlenGarcia1961 Год назад +10

    What if we're Gawd's toadstool?! (Gasp!) What if,... we're Gawd's,... squatty potty?!

    • @DoveAlexa
      @DoveAlexa 10 месяцев назад +1

      If god had a squatty potty maybe he'd be more chill and stop turning people into salt for looking at things funny

    • @sullendragon8900
      @sullendragon8900 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@DoveAlexa god was just a baby then, who amongst us hasn't turned somebody into salt when they were a toddler, or killed 99.9% of the planet in a fit of teen angst?

  • @TheRedskins822
    @TheRedskins822 5 месяцев назад +4

    I’ve been listening to this guy on podcast apps for 3 years now, first time listening to it on RUclips, and Robert looks nothing like I expected. To be honest I don’t know what I was expecting… Love the pod

  • @firefox5926
    @firefox5926 Год назад +4

    8:13 rather bold of them to assume they know what god looks like .. maybe he looks like a ape they dont knnow :P

    • @louisvictor3473
      @louisvictor3473 Год назад +3

      I refuse to acknolwege God looks like Bush.

    • @firefox5926
      @firefox5926 Год назад +1

      @@louisvictor3473 lmao

    • @BaronVonQuiply
      @BaronVonQuiply Год назад

      I happen to like South Park's portrayal of that god as a weird deformed dwarf hippo thing that is entirely unlike anything we're led to expect because while I don't think there are any gods, it seems reasonable to suspect that if one did exist, we could easily be very wrong about it in very basic ways.
      That said, if "God made Man in his own image" then god is clearly a monkey and statistically about 10% gay.

  • @fentin480
    @fentin480 Год назад +5

    Listening to this was great fun, loved the pod!

  • @joshinthewoods
    @joshinthewoods 11 месяцев назад +3

    Cody needs to grow up. I love God's feet.

  • @Murcuryzgirl
    @Murcuryzgirl 6 месяцев назад +2

    For the record, the way said Egyptian guy measured the circumference of the Earth was by measuring the distance between two towns and using the pength of shadows to compute the angular difference to the sun between the two places. Note that you can do that approximately correctly even without knowing the distance to the sun because it is so distant that light rays from the sun arrive very very nearly parallel.

  • @CynthiaMcG
    @CynthiaMcG 2 месяца назад +1

    MTG bedside reading confirmed.

  • @aronwright388
    @aronwright388 День назад

    The bit on the back of the book is called the blurb.

  • @--enyo--
    @--enyo-- 12 дней назад

    Hollow Earth Expedition is actually a fun pulpy exploration TTRPG. So at least we got that from that crazy idea.

  • @Spencerdoken
    @Spencerdoken 19 дней назад

    "Classic Karl Marx. He's like the Hamburglar."
    Gotta one of my favorite Robert quotes.

  • @50043211
    @50043211 3 месяца назад

    Nobody expects the Armenians!

  • @Jonnyg325
    @Jonnyg325 Месяц назад

    Poor Cody, he sounds like he's losing his mind

  • @sampagano205
    @sampagano205 11 месяцев назад +1

    I desperately want to know how flora and fauna proves the earth is flat.

  • @robertborland5083
    @robertborland5083 Год назад +2

    People have already commented about this, but I wanted to give a bit of a summary of Arminianism, perhaps to get into the weeds a bit into the minutia of Christian theology. The sect was named after the guy who made the doctrine Jacobus Arminus/Jakob Hermanszoon, and has no relation to the Armenian Apostolic Church. (The second syllable "min" rhymes with "bin" not "lean".) Many of these views revolve around Christian ideas of salvation from sin or "soteriology". To understand it, it is good to start not with Arminianism itself but with Calvinism. This might seem odd, but I do it because Arminianism was made as a direct opposition and response to Calvinism, so knowing it makes it easier to understand what Arminians argue for.
    Calvinist traditions are frequently described with the acronym TULIP to describe salvation from sin through sovereign grace of God:
    - Total depravity: People cannot fully redeem ourselves by our own free will, only God can through His grace.
    - Unconditional election: Some people have been chosen to be redeemed independent of any qualities they may have.
    - Limited atonement: Only some people get redeemed. Not everyone.
    - Irresistible grace: The elect may reflect these values or convert to them.
    - Perseverance of the saints: The elect are often drawn to God's grace in the end.
    ("Saints" in this context is just a description of those with faith in Christianity.)
    The opposing Arminian perspective's "Five Articles of Remonstrance" put emphasis on individual free will:
    - Total depravity: While people cannot fully redeem ourselves and need God's grace, it is up to the individual to accept it.
    - Conditional election: Being redeemed is contingent on believing in Christianity.
    - Unlimited atonement: Anyone who believes in Christ gets salvation.
    - Prevenient grace: God's grace is provided to everyone but people can resist it.
    - Conditional preservation of the saints: The elect are drawn to God's grace once the decision is made on the condition that they still have faith.
    A lot of mental power in the Medieval and Reformation periods in Christian areas was being devoted to untangling the Trinitarian Doctrine and word issues like this one. It is still a bit suspicious that the flat-earth book goes full-bore into an attack on Arminianism, especially considering the relevance to the subject at hand seems to be tangential at best. What relevance would squabbles between Dutch theologians regarding the specifics of Christian soteriology have in a discussion about re-writing the laws of physics?

  • @TopLob
    @TopLob 2 месяца назад +2

    The Greatest Story Ever Told = Christofascist
    The Greatest Story Never Told = Fascist
    The Greatest Lie Ever Told = Flat earth fascist
    The Greatest Lie Ever Sold = Christofascist
    They're not very creative.

  • @Ubi_Qui
    @Ubi_Qui Год назад +3

    Just recently started noticing the likes and am astonished.

  • @yoya.
    @yoya. Год назад +1

    Arminians as in arminian free will not Armenians as in people from Armenia.

  • @markmaurer6370
    @markmaurer6370 Год назад

    11:21 That's just Hedonism, That's not liberation. Right now, science is telling us. This is the only place in the universe that things happen.... So your choices matter profoundly. Because in all the universe, you are the only one who can make conscience changes.

    • @sampagano205
      @sampagano205 11 месяцев назад

      Epicurianism is good.

    • @CliffSedge-nu5fv
      @CliffSedge-nu5fv 10 месяцев назад

      False.

    • @markmaurer6370
      @markmaurer6370 10 месяцев назад

      @@CliffSedge-nu5fv I'm sorry there's no God... your parents really should have prepared you for that reality

    • @origami_dream
      @origami_dream 2 месяца назад

      *conscious
      *everything else

  • @johnflynn2109
    @johnflynn2109 3 месяца назад

    Idk this podcast is alright. The podders seem to be on a high horse talking of God. I mean its gotta feel good thinking your so great and thinking your a smart person because you speak. I just checked this out because it was recommended to me by a friend.

  • @SounduSleep
    @SounduSleep 4 часа назад +1

    its not surprising at all