The Worst Loss In Crypto Just Happened...

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  • @RedsHitpostMedia
    @RedsHitpostMedia Год назад +1040

    Crypto Bros: "We dont want regulations government bad"
    Also Crypto Bros: "WHERES MY MONEY I GAVE TO A STRANGER GOVERNMENT PLEASE GET IT BACK!?"

    • @baraka629
      @baraka629 Год назад +162

      The point of crypto always was to give the control over currency back to the owner instead of a centralized institution like banks, if the end user replaces the banks with just another centralized institution which effectively controls all their money then they missed the point of the technology, they aren't using it as it was intended.

    • @gamersinacontainer
      @gamersinacontainer Год назад +77

      @@baraka629 Which is why people need to use their own judgement on where to send their money. And many people do not. Then they wonder why nobody will help them.

    • @baraka629
      @baraka629 Год назад

      @@gamersinacontainer yeah of course, there is no technology in the world that can protect stupid people from their stupidity.

    • @gamersinacontainer
      @gamersinacontainer Год назад +6

      @@baraka629 Indeed

    • @Jack_Woods
      @Jack_Woods Год назад +3

      People: Hey, Crypto seems pretty good potentially, we should just regulate some things to make sure people's money is secur-... 🙂
      CryptoBros: NO FUCK THE GOV, RULES ARE FOR CHUMPS! 😠
      People: Oh ok fuck you then 😐
      CryptoBros: You won't be laughing when you miss out on the EASY MONEY 🤑
      **Today**
      CryptoBros: WE GOT HACKED AGAIN WAAAAAA 😭

  • @chonky2129
    @chonky2129 Год назад +188

    From Wikipedia:
    "He is a fan of the video game League of Legends, and allegedly played the game while on a call attempting to secure an investment from Sequoia Capital. An article by the Financial Times characterized Bankman-Fried's "win ratios" in League of Legends as "average-to-bad"."
    Huge red flag.

    • @desperado3236
      @desperado3236 Год назад +39

      Id say the red flag is that he played league of legends.
      Since its a team game, having an average to bad ratio isnt exactly a good barometer of skill.

    • @Mario-us7ds
      @Mario-us7ds Год назад +2

      Everyone is "average-to-bad" in moba games

    • @reginaldmustardbacon5866
      @reginaldmustardbacon5866 Год назад +1

      @@Mario-us7ds nah thats only people in bronze. People in silver are average to good
      Hehehe tongue in cheek humor

    • @RedsHitpostMedia
      @RedsHitpostMedia Год назад +12

      "Your honor...LEAGUE OF LEGENDS"
      "GUILTY"

    • @SoundsOfSushi
      @SoundsOfSushi Год назад +1

      He’s a last hit support.

  • @divine_dan0177
    @divine_dan0177 Год назад +3046

    Crypto bros losing their money is literally the equivalent of a nine year old falling for a free Robux scam

    • @IamJay02
      @IamJay02 Год назад +16

      @@Dosplo Neither did crypto bros. Learn how to read.

    • @khalidhassan9423
      @khalidhassan9423 Год назад +117

      @@IamJay02 no one cares if you’re jay

    • @alex-qu7kb
      @alex-qu7kb Год назад +1

      @@IamJay02 i hate you jay

    • @caden3ds
      @caden3ds Год назад

      only the dumb crypto bros that invested in centralized crypto, decentralized chads are good

    • @bloopa64
      @bloopa64 Год назад +68

      @@khalidhassan9423 I’m pretty sure he’s actually Bob

  • @deathsyth8888
    @deathsyth8888 Год назад +1384

    "Don't worry, your crypto is safe with me. Bro, just trust me."
    - Someone you definitely shouldn't trust

    • @deadprivacy
      @deadprivacy Год назад +8

      Dont worry ,crypto is safe and good etc.
      Dont need much for a scam.
      Lol.

    • @johnalejandro6392
      @johnalejandro6392 Год назад +6

      "Just Rope Max bro"
      - Me telling to a Crypto Bro for cope

    • @TheGreatDanish
      @TheGreatDanish Год назад +6

      I dont know, he's the most generous billionare in the world. I think he's alright.

    • @balaclipa
      @balaclipa Год назад

      its AL-UH-ME-DAH

    • @OctoomyYTOfficial
      @OctoomyYTOfficial Год назад +3

      the only person you should trust with your crypto is yourself.

  • @tilted_axis9819
    @tilted_axis9819 Год назад +833

    My favorite part of this scandal is the web of interpersonal connections amongst those involved. The fact that Fried’s mom is part of a super pac and his aunt is part of the WEF, there’s just too much.
    Edit: Fuck, I didn’t even know anyone involved was Jewish when I wrote this.

    • @nunoribeiro7119
      @nunoribeiro7119 Год назад

      This would make alot of sense WEF wants to push for more regulations (this would be the perfect excuse) they dont want any crypto besides CBDCs they can control, if this slowly kills bitcoin we're all f*cked.

    • @omma911
      @omma911 Год назад +104

      Shalom

    • @terryhesticles7149
      @terryhesticles7149 Год назад +78

      Gods chosen people

    • @peterquill9543
      @peterquill9543 Год назад +99

      @@BakangPrivv An organization that donates to political causes. Bankman himself was the second highest donor to Democrats for the 2022 US mid terms with 40million, number one was George Soros. He also planned on donating a billion in 2024

    • @wing1864
      @wing1864 Год назад +24

      @@BakangPrivv the proper term is "Super PAC", just FYI if you wanted to look more into it

  • @patrickloureiro351
    @patrickloureiro351 Год назад +468

    "The Worst Loss In Crypto Just Happened."
    "The worst loss so far!"

    • @4.5th_impact
      @4.5th_impact Год назад +8

      Your name is Patrick loireiro

    • @ottorahn69
      @ottorahn69 Год назад +3

      And nothing of worth was lost

    • @Jordan-Ramses
      @Jordan-Ramses Год назад

      A fool and his money stay together forever. I'm pretty sure that is the saying.

  • @MissusAnon
    @MissusAnon Год назад +159

    The video game crash of 1983 made me reasonably see this coming because it applies everywhere: if the market is flooded with scammy bullshit that causes people to lose money and feel dissatisfied/angry, eventually that thing is going to crash. Video games were the hot thing people wanted to make money on back then, today it's crypto. Back at that time the market was rife with games and consoles that were so clunky or bad that it was like being scammed, and E.T. was the proverbial final straw in '83. You could say I was waiting for crypto's version of E.T. for Atari 2600 to happen, looks like it finally has. I'm not even really satisfied I was right, just sucks for all the regulars out there who lost their money.

    • @Rabiiid
      @Rabiiid Год назад +10

      I invested in crypto like 2yrs ago and lost around 100usd which was enough for me to stop. Hahah

    • @sporkionsuz-beero4744
      @sporkionsuz-beero4744 Год назад +2

      I was thinking the exact same thing. Assets that are valued stupidly got crashed through economy.

    • @zhain0
      @zhain0 Год назад

      @@Rabiiid i changed my mind and decided not to buy £1000 worth when they came out lmfao

    • @RyukyuStyle
      @RyukyuStyle Год назад +2

      video games are way more of a scam now then back then lol.... now a days you pay like $60, and you dont even get the full games and at worst its unplayable because its full of bugs. everything is moving to a pay to win model, which is slowly pricing out less fortunate people and most of all kids.

    • @Th3Professor
      @Th3Professor Год назад

      @@Rabiiid funny - if you had just bought and held, you'd probably be up on your investment by now. Instead you got greedy.
      Sounds like your problem is lack of patience. You didn't "invest", you gambled. Sounds like you cared too much about a poor 100USD, in which case you should probably not be "investing".

  • @jaymaledic5730
    @jaymaledic5730 Год назад +567

    Somehow, someway, the dig-deeper 'investigators' of these scandals stopped digging once they knew where the money has gone and who's involved.

    • @alaeriia01
      @alaeriia01 Год назад +74

      Hush money will do that.

    • @cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245
      @cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245 Год назад +41

      Stay woke, man. Let this be known. Spread the words and make everyone look into this evil

    • @kristanricketts5028
      @kristanricketts5028 Год назад +59

      @@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245 came here hoping to see something to this effect. Don't eat ze bugz

    • @KrissyMeow
      @KrissyMeow Год назад

      This. DMC/Ukraine made out like bandits.

    • @Bootchair
      @Bootchair Год назад +13

      Yeah. Because it throws a wrench any big boy pockets.

  • @retpal2302
    @retpal2302 Год назад +32

    Imagine being involved in paying off tons of politicians and also traced back to the WEF, then say "we were hacked."👻🤡

  • @diegomedina9637
    @diegomedina9637 Год назад +147

    It's like a weekly event at this point

    • @diegomedina9637
      @diegomedina9637 Год назад +12

      @YeaMan No it's not.

    • @Th3Professor
      @Th3Professor Год назад

      please it's like y'all only discovered in 2020 that crypto is a thing and sometimes some money gets lost...
      Welcome to crypto, where people have gotten both filthy rich and desperately poor since 2010 or so.. MtGox? BitConnect? Every bull run has its streak of black swans.
      Meanwhile, early cryptobros are still up a few ten thousand percent on their investment.

    • @wheredaboof6492
      @wheredaboof6492 Год назад +1

      @YeaMan I can't wait until you stop being so cringe mr bot owner 😂

    • @anthonymetcalf660
      @anthonymetcalf660 Год назад

      I can't tell if I have seen this thread or not but if not this is deja vu

    • @diegomedina9637
      @diegomedina9637 Год назад +1

      @@anthonymetcalf660 Well... Probably, since this has been happening like once a week now.

  • @mcmk6588
    @mcmk6588 Год назад +406

    FTX CEO posted a weird string of tweets that spelled what happened over the course of the day. funny enough he was also deleting tweets during the same time period (keeping the numbers stable to lower chances of suspicion). I am guessing this would happen over the span of hours to keep the bots from seeing what was going on with the CEO's account.

    • @slobiden.2593
      @slobiden.2593 Год назад +4

      Explain it in more detail. I don’t get what his goal was

    • @uwuifyingransomware
      @uwuifyingransomware Год назад +47

      @@slobiden.2593 I think the goal is to keep the same number of tweets overall so it doesn't look like they're being deleted. So for every tweet he deletes he needs to make a new one

    • @michaelwerkov3438
      @michaelwerkov3438 Год назад +10

      Does he not think people have his whole tweet list saved

    • @vivisimonvi
      @vivisimonvi Год назад +20

      @@uwuifyingransomware What an absolute weasel. I hope he serves many years behind PITA prison.

    • @___DRIP___
      @___DRIP___ Год назад

      @@slobiden.2593 His goal was to fool the bots that scrape tweets. As soon as the number of tweets changes the bot will scrape tweets and archive them. So he’s deleting incriminating tweets, while adding single letter tweets at the exact same time. So the next time the bot checks, the amount of tweets hasn’t changed so it won’t attempt to back them up again. Unfortunately for him not all bots use that same system so it did nothing

  • @recneps1230
    @recneps1230 Год назад +278

    Meta, twitter, and the crypto market all burning in real time, simultaneously might be one of the greatest things to happen on the internet.
    Savor the moment boys

    • @ageoflove1980
      @ageoflove1980 Год назад +29

      Add Telsa stock to that

    • @boxeswithfoxes
      @boxeswithfoxes Год назад +16

      @@ageoflove1980 now we need youtube and especially twitch to be in the mix so they can learn how to listen to their community too

    • @nojuanatall3281
      @nojuanatall3281 Год назад +12

      WB, HBO, DC... the list goes on and on.

    • @lazylonewolf
      @lazylonewolf Год назад +20

      Finally, the Internet is healing

    • @doctorspook4414
      @doctorspook4414 Год назад

      And Amazon! 😆
      Bezos is about to lay off 10,000 of his own workforce as people are buying less and less crap with Biden's inflation.
      And their $1 billion disaster that was lord of the rings shenanigans.
      And M$ stealing a massive chunk out of AWS' thunder with their own Azure cloud services.

  • @ItsWillLee
    @ItsWillLee Год назад +41

    Ontario Teachers Pension Plan "invested" 95 million into FTX, I thought holy sh×× that's gonna be bad...only to find out it was only 0.05% of their holdings - quick calculations tell me OTPP has a value of $190 Billion!😳

  • @osier769
    @osier769 Год назад +42

    I appreciate the Cryptosphere's efforts to continue to provide comedic relief on days like this, many lol's have been had. 😂

  • @karastired
    @karastired Год назад +186

    I was a little kid when the fallout of Enron happened and I'm not saying it's exactly the same, but it reminds me a lot of when this happened. Just awful for actual people who lost a lot of money because they believed what was being sold to them

    • @adrianfleming3437
      @adrianfleming3437 Год назад +5

      Man I was a near adult when that went down I remember the whole late 90s tech bubble and all the fallout from it. My country was lucky we didn't get a recession from it or the GFC.

    • @Sonichero151
      @Sonichero151 Год назад +14

      When you are at the edge of becoming a cold dead corpse in an alley because you can't survive in this economy..... people will turn to desperate measures

    • @badcampa2641
      @badcampa2641 Год назад

      Enron fraud paid for 911 which then cancelled the investigation

    • @Yea___
      @Yea___ Год назад +1

      @@Sonichero151 in this economy?

    • @longjohn526
      @longjohn526 Год назад +1

      I would compare this more to Bernie Madoff

  • @Dominion69420
    @Dominion69420 Год назад +46

    3:50 The user identified by KrakenFX appears to have actually been apart of FTX crisis response and NOT the hacker-just thought I should clarify, as there seems to be overall confusion between what was down by the hacker and what was done by Crisis response/management

  • @evillecaston
    @evillecaston Год назад +32

    Cryptobros: "We're not like other money!"
    Also cryptobros: (blindly trusting exchanges that are "too big to fail")

  • @coryyoung7544
    @coryyoung7544 Год назад +30

    There was also some guy who burned a 10 million dollar painting to sell nfts of it.
    The Mexican art institute is looking for double the price in fines and like 10 years in prison or so.
    How stupid can people get.

    • @nojuanatall3281
      @nojuanatall3281 Год назад

      This is year 2 of Bidens possible 8 year term. Just wait. 2030 is gonna be lit.

    • @Synthetic_geth
      @Synthetic_geth Год назад +2

      And that's just the beginning

    • @JustAnotherNamelessGuy
      @JustAnotherNamelessGuy Год назад +10

      @@nojuanatall3281 wtf does Biden have to do with any of that?

    • @-._.-KRiS-._.-
      @-._.-KRiS-._.- Год назад

      @@nojuanatall3281 Biden isn't going to win a 2nd term. He may not even choose to run again.

    • @Tangarisu
      @Tangarisu Год назад

      @@nojuanatall3281 agenda 2031

  • @vivisimonvi
    @vivisimonvi Год назад +30

    "This man will be made an example out of by the federal agencies."
    I f*cking hope you're right.

  • @curedham2963
    @curedham2963 Год назад +237

    This goes A LOT deeper than what it seems.

    • @deadprivacy
      @deadprivacy Год назад +8

      Lol...ftx is now proven a scam.
      But i still love crypto..
      Lolololol.

    • @folkenberger
      @folkenberger Год назад +42

      Despite wanting to feel bad for the crypto bros i just cant, i really just want to see their faces when they realized crypto aint landing on moon

    • @deadprivacy
      @deadprivacy Год назад

      @JERRY tm ???
      Would t touch crypto with yours..
      Bitcoin is washed drug amd human trafficking currency , why you think the banks love it?
      Its also total crap, outdated and not even fit for its original purpose,
      Which has moved elsewhere in crypto.
      A lot of people have lost a lot of money.
      Im not one of them..

    • @xylophone7594
      @xylophone7594 Год назад +33

      @JERRY tm was about to say the same thing. Cryptards time and time again show us how stupid investing in crypto really is. It’s like a gambling addiction at this point.

    • @Tytusmin
      @Tytusmin Год назад +15

      Deeper than simply talking on a panel with Tony Blair and Klaus Schwab I assume🚩

  • @streptococo4735
    @streptococo4735 Год назад +14

    When you realize where this money went, and you know they wont be held accountable, suddenly everyone stays silent...

    • @Tangarisu
      @Tangarisu Год назад +1

      You have to.
      They own the world.

    • @danielaponte4054
      @danielaponte4054 Год назад

      The diference between SBF and Bernie Madoff is that Madoff didn't "donate" millions to both political parties

  • @retroatx
    @retroatx Год назад +13

    I'm pretty sure the "delete the apps" tweet was hoping people would delete the app while forgetting to backup their recovery info.

    • @retroatx
      @retroatx Год назад

      Pass off ya wanker. Sit on your telegram scam and spin

    • @SoySadgeSauce
      @SoySadgeSauce Год назад

      That's actually so smart wtf

  • @Haileycartero
    @Haileycartero Год назад +225

    It can’t get any worse than this…
    *crypto community* hold my beer

    • @Pandaxtor
      @Pandaxtor Год назад +10

      What is worse is that guy is a huge supporter of the environmentalist movement but he is involved in crypto...

    • @blackneos940
      @blackneos940 Год назад +2

      You mean beer NFT. ;)

    • @blackneos940
      @blackneos940 Год назад +5

      It's non-fungi.

    • @lightningRatPack
      @lightningRatPack Год назад

      No its good, people that missed getting into bitcoin when it was $50 in 2016. They will have another chance soon.

    • @4.5th_impact
      @4.5th_impact Год назад +2

      Your name is Hailey

  • @dabombmanater
    @dabombmanater Год назад +11

    Being an ex crypto bro is the weirdest feelings I have no idea how 2 months ago I thought the world was going to gladly adopt a currency system where stuff can cost 20% more of less depending on the day

    • @ankitaharwal5886
      @ankitaharwal5886 Год назад +3

      Yeah, it seems wierd to see from far away. I still have some ada but not much. Not a crypto guy anymore

    • @-._.-KRiS-._.-
      @-._.-KRiS-._.- Год назад +1

      Until landlords start accepting crypto for rent in Boise, Idaho the world is not going to gladly adopt a new currency system. Idaho will be the very last state to legalize marijuana, mark my words.

    • @KR811
      @KR811 Год назад

      @@-._.-KRiS-._.- The Feds will legalize it before potato-brained Idaho gets with the program. Even Alabama is ahead of Idaho in legalization smh

  • @SmoltingWassie
    @SmoltingWassie Год назад +10

    “Most crypto companies are secretly insolvent” - SBF, a few months ago. He gave everyone a vague heads up tbf

    • @matthewyoho5422
      @matthewyoho5422 Год назад +1

      The industry as a whole has been bankrupt since around May, they're just all desperately spinning plates trying to keep from having to admit that, hoping that number starts going up again and the retail dollars they need for those numbers to actually mean anything tangible start flowing back into the system; all those Superbowl ads FTX and the other exchanges were running were signs of desperation, not success - the stream of retail dollars had actually dried up mid-2021, towards the peak, which is why you started seeing miners suddenly stop selling and start borrowing against those tokens.
      Bitcoin miners didn't all suddenly turn from ruthless businessmen into moon-bro hodlers, they just knew that there wasn't enough actual cash - the thing that despite what the crypto-zealots say, is at the end of the day the only thing that all but the most profoundly delusional of them ever actually want - for them to sell it at those prices, and if they tried they would completely tank the market: the number on the charts wasn't the result of people paying real money for those tokens, it was all trading tokens for other tokens that "say" they're worth dollars (but if you tried to cash them out, would not be, because the cash was simply not there to do that).
      So yeah, this is just further evidence that SBF wasn't a smart enough grifter to "not say the quiet parts out loud".

  • @xx_HI_xx7
    @xx_HI_xx7 Год назад +36

    What's crazy is people think that they own anything digital.

    • @yungpablo6663
      @yungpablo6663 Год назад +4

      there is a difference between holding your crypto on an exchange vs in a wallet. On a exchange like FTX you are correct you technically do not own the assets yourself. But if you have a actual wallet like Metamask or Ledger you do actually own them so you are inncorrect.

    • @ageoflove1980
      @ageoflove1980 Год назад +3

      What crazy is that people think you get free money by clicking on a button.

    • @xx_HI_xx7
      @xx_HI_xx7 Год назад +11

      @@yungpablo6663 I'm still right. If you can't hold it in your hands it's imaginary. This applies to everything including the money in you bank account. Nothing will stop those that run your digital life from taking what you think you own. But I'm glad you have a creative imagination. 😉

    • @Mario-us7ds
      @Mario-us7ds Год назад +2

      @@xx_HI_xx7 That's a non-argument, everything in modern society is based on some kind of trust system due to informatization. It's not like billionaires have actual pools of money like Scrooge McDuck. Most of the world's money doesn't exist physically

    • @xx_HI_xx7
      @xx_HI_xx7 Год назад +11

      @@Mario-us7ds and there lies the problem. Not saying it's a system that doesn't work now, but it's a system that can't work forever due to the fact there are people who own these digital spaces that aren't you.

  • @vivisimonvi
    @vivisimonvi Год назад +15

    It's peak comedy when Larry David is the only real winner in this entire debacle. He got paid a sponsorship without endorsing the actual product (going against it in fact).

    • @Tsukino1011
      @Tsukino1011 Год назад

      Fr W old man

    • @KR811
      @KR811 Год назад

      It only works if Larry never promoted FTX elsewhere positively. If he always thought it was bs, Larry finessed FTX and lawsuits at the same time lmao

  • @goofyahh7044
    @goofyahh7044 Год назад +5

    This is like the fourth or fifth “biggest crypto loss” this year.

  • @benjaminh1034
    @benjaminh1034 Год назад +28

    Is the technology that amazing though? I keep asking the fundamental question: how does crypto benefit me today? Like what’s my day today utility by using crypto? People like to compare blockchain to the internet but I was around for the internet in the 90s. It was amazing and the utility was not some hazy promise to be reaped in the future. My family was ordering stuff online, we were in chat rooms, and there was porn. It’s difficult to state how incredible that last one was. No more borrowing from a friend who got a magazine from an older brother. Compared to crypto, QR codes have had far more of a benefit in my life. It’s an interesting tech, but it feels like a rather bad solution for a problem that already has really good solutions.

    • @Fusseliko
      @Fusseliko Год назад +8

      Crypto has a Dotcom Bubble thing going on. It's the hype new thing in an Industry that's infamous for hype new things that turn out to not be as revolutionary as everyone pretended after the fact. The reason it's gotten so big is because there's shittons of money being spent to advertise it; the whales need to bring people into crypto so they can exchange their coins for a currency they can actually use; fiat. We'll see what actual use this technology offers once the hype has died down, but at this point it's hard to say what that will be. Suffice it to say it's not ready to be used as a currency.

    • @ltk20352
      @ltk20352 Год назад +8

      "There was porn" tshirt now confirmed. Better investment than crypto.

    • @ffffuchs
      @ffffuchs Год назад +5

      @@Fusseliko crypto's rise coincided with lot of low interest or downright free money on the market that wasn't risk-averse since literally everything made money no matter what you invested in from 2012 to 2020.

    • @Th3Professor
      @Th3Professor Год назад +2

      that's fantastic.
      And just like you understood the (future) utility of the internet (because yeah back in the 90s, you were totally thinking of grabbing your full sized touch screen phone, navigating the internet by touch at wireless speeds that were pure sci fi back then, to look at a list of restaurants to order take out food from, ordering and paying in one seamless experience, before you sit down in the sofa and select something to watch on that same phone before casting it to your TV ) back then, some people see the promise of decentralized blockchain technology now.
      Your personal incredulity or lack of creativity is thankfully not the yardstick by which we as a species decide which developments to pursue.

    • @MasterGhostf
      @MasterGhostf Год назад

      Your right. Personally, I equate Crypto like many other tech like CD"s it took 10 years for CD's to be common after the tech came out. Personally, I don't see crypto as useful as money. The problem is regulation and if its regulated it loses its special status. Dollars, euros, yen, and pounds work far better for what people need. While crypto really only benefits the seedy underbelly of the world; the scammers and the criminals. The blockchain tech is useful in applications outside of economics and finance. But, crypto currency I agree doesn't benefit anyone on a local level. I see crypto being very useful in security, games, software, and other user applications.

  • @MrArgus11111
    @MrArgus11111 Год назад +45

    The minute crypto starts being regulated crypto will start to die out. I'm not sure what outcome crypto proponents expected from all of this.

    • @zafool4997
      @zafool4997 Год назад

      shush bot
      Go back to sleep in your hive.

    • @Yuuki_Asuna
      @Yuuki_Asuna Год назад

      It's like they really believed the government would allow a currency not regulated, how stupid is that, crypto people are too naive

    • @MisterVercetti
      @MisterVercetti Год назад

      Crypto's value lies entirely in its anonymity, which makes it perfect for carrying out criminal transactions on the dark web. When you invest in crypto, you're literally investing in crime. The day the veil of anonymity is lifted, and crypto wallets can be traced back to their owners, is the day crypto's value hits zero dollars and zero cents.

    • @VinnyUnion
      @VinnyUnion Год назад +2

      I think it was all stupid. For nerds. To make quick bucks. That is all.

    • @trax72
      @trax72 Год назад +3

      Crypto dying will be the best possible thing that can happen.

  • @drysoup3017
    @drysoup3017 Год назад +7

    Me who hasn't gotten into crypto yet:
    *"Oh no! Anyways..."*

  • @BlueEyedVibeChecker
    @BlueEyedVibeChecker Год назад +21

    As someone who used to stop buying scratchcards the second I one even £1 more than I started with, and was trained to hate gambling by all the loathsome Casino Zones in Sonic games from a young age, I was never worried about falling for a scam like gambling or crypto lmao

    • @andyparkinson1996
      @andyparkinson1996 Год назад +4

      Those damn casino levels, sonic heroes had my favourite casino levels tho

    • @BlueEyedVibeChecker
      @BlueEyedVibeChecker Год назад

      @@andyparkinson1996 Are you a masochist? Lmao

  • @MuppetHell
    @MuppetHell Год назад +3

    I don't understand any of this from a tech standpoint but watching muta explain all of it and the Why part is fun

  • @easyBob100
    @easyBob100 Год назад +4

    You should look into his family....and their connections.

  • @merphul
    @merphul Год назад +3

    "There is no backdoor"
    Guy Who Completely Has Never Lied - SBF

  • @Shannon_Vlogs
    @Shannon_Vlogs Год назад +1

    Wow. Thanks for covering this, always appreciate your insight!

  • @spacepanda420
    @spacepanda420 Год назад +78

    I sincerely appreciate your videos and warnings about cryptocurrency I was really close to dumping a lot of money into crypto and I'm glad you talked me out of it. And also shout out to coffee Zilla for being a real one as well I love his channel as well y'all should collab again soon!

    • @MrRhysReviews
      @MrRhysReviews Год назад +14

      @YeaMan No one cares dude 😒

    • @GokuSolosAnime
      @GokuSolosAnime Год назад

      U obviously shouldn’t invest in shitcoins but ur a fool if u don’t have any money in btc and eth

    • @bennbutters2578
      @bennbutters2578 Год назад +18

      @YeaMan does your music tell me about crypto bros right after Sonic? Doubt it.

    • @Bensor999
      @Bensor999 Год назад +9

      crypto itself is not bad. its the individuals like SBF that give it a bad name. the code behind it didnt fail and will take a long time to regain its losses, but its been through this stuff before like with mount gox. right now its a very early adoption phase and is basically a wild west

    • @josecastro-qn5op
      @josecastro-qn5op Год назад +9

      Pretty sure both have mentioned they have money on crypto. But they don’t disclose which ones since they know their viewers will blindly buy into it just because they are in it

  • @nicholas5468
    @nicholas5468 Год назад +44

    I mean in hindsight, this was bound to happen, if not FTX then some other crypo exchange company.

    • @synergygaming65
      @synergygaming65 Год назад

      Quadriga more or less did the same thing a few years ago and fucking idiots fell for this one too. SBF didn't fake his death but he might as well have.

    • @Th3Professor
      @Th3Professor Год назад +1

      Until they all die, because centralized exchanges are against the very spirit of satoshi's whitepaper

    • @jaymaledic5730
      @jaymaledic5730 Год назад +3

      You're missing the point here. FTX was not established to be a real crypto exchange. It had one and only function, and I can assume you know what that is, right?

  • @redwolf92
    @redwolf92 Год назад +3

    my guy openly admitted that its a ponzi scheme, yet these crypto coomers still tier 3 simp him and gave him all their life saving.

  • @mr.horseshoe2301
    @mr.horseshoe2301 Год назад +22

    Cousin was a huge crypto bro that lost everything recently. Really humbled him after boasting how wealthy he was the last couple of years. He tried to rope me into this scam but I refused.

    • @HighNoone
      @HighNoone Год назад +1

      Love to see an arrogant prick get what's been coming to him.

    • @user-xl5kd6il6c
      @user-xl5kd6il6c Год назад +2

      A CEO stealing money has nothing to do with crypto being bad or a scam. Did you even watch the video?

  • @millertime7891
    @millertime7891 Год назад +48

    The most important part of the FTX story is the money laundering for a political party. It’s funny how that usually gets left out of the conversation

    • @z_rock8391
      @z_rock8391 Год назад +7

      I was about to say that but you beat me too it lol

    • @ariyune7007
      @ariyune7007 Год назад +11

      *for a particular political party

    • @luckydragonwolf
      @luckydragonwolf Год назад +1

      the what

    • @igooog
      @igooog Год назад +5

      @@luckydragonwolf FTX facilitated a massive money laundering operation between the current US executive branch, Ukraine and SBF himself.

    • @cartilagehead
      @cartilagehead Год назад +6

      FTX was donating to pro-deregulation politicians on both sides of the aisle. SBF was the one donating to right wing/“centrist” Dems so that’s getting a lot of press from certain partisan news outlets, but one of the other FTX dudes was pretty much matching those donations to the GOP.

  • @alrizzuto
    @alrizzuto Год назад +1

    seeing coffieezilla saying 2) Jail just made me laugh

  • @snake_pot
    @snake_pot Год назад +1

    “Hack” lmao. Just a freak occurrence, yep totally

  • @Piggynatorgaming
    @Piggynatorgaming Год назад +7

    You should do a video on the new vr headset that the creator of Oculus made that explodes when you die in a game lmao

  • @MarjaMariachi
    @MarjaMariachi Год назад +1

    15:10 My boy Coffeezilla chiming in on SBF's numbered posts!
    SBF: 1) Yap yap yap, etc.
    Fredo: 1) What
    Coffeezilla: 2) Jail
    LOLOLOL!!!

  • @speedycounihan
    @speedycounihan Год назад +25

    Thank you for explaining this situation in ways that we can understand. This whole situation will hopefully be the beginning of the end for the extremely unregulated world of cryptocurrency.

    • @unknowncommenter6698
      @unknowncommenter6698 Год назад +3

      Wait you can donate with comments? And that shit isn't even prioritised over free comments? Damn

    • @speedycounihan
      @speedycounihan Год назад

      @@unknowncommenter6698 yes, you can donate to your favorite RUclipsrs. You just have to hit the thanks option.

    • @user-xl5kd6il6c
      @user-xl5kd6il6c Год назад +1

      Fuck regulations, what do you want regulations for? what exactly are you arguing for?

  • @asimovborg6394
    @asimovborg6394 Год назад +1

    "The bank man stole all of our money!"
    You just can't make this shit up.

  • @ashleyjohansson230
    @ashleyjohansson230 Год назад +49

    This made me stand up from my chair and start clapping.

    • @godspeed-is-taken
      @godspeed-is-taken Год назад +12

      Calm down Adam sessler

    • @zuriel4783
      @zuriel4783 Год назад

      You sound mentally unstable lol

    • @brandon6093
      @brandon6093 Год назад +4

      @@godspeed-is-taken beat me to it

    • @Hinokassaudifan1
      @Hinokassaudifan1 Год назад

      Were you paralyzed by chance and stood up by the sheer joy?

    • @utopes
      @utopes Год назад +1

      I did the same

  • @ramuhathunder2177
    @ramuhathunder2177 Год назад +20

    How does someone lose something that never existed in the first place.

    • @Gawillamon
      @Gawillamon Год назад

      You mean just like regular money?

    • @IwinMahWay
      @IwinMahWay Год назад +1

      Decentralized Schizophrenia is a real thing.

    • @Gawillamon
      @Gawillamon Год назад

      @@IwinMahWay A real thing that someone came up with/invented, just like crypto.

  • @josephammon715
    @josephammon715 Год назад +24

    In spite of the fluctuation in crypto, I still thank you for the level-headed financial advice. I started crypto investment with $4,345 and since following you for few weeks now, I’ve gotten $18,539 in my portfolio
    Thanks so much Mrs Cynthia M. Levi

    • @tanyalynn9089
      @tanyalynn9089 Год назад

      I’m new at this, how can I reach your broker?

    • @deenadoyle3011
      @deenadoyle3011 Год назад

      It's refreshing to see lots of positive comments about Cynthia. I recently had the opportunity to use her services and since then, everything has gone very smoothly. It's amazing how accurate their market analysis is, and how good and understanding they are towards beginners. She'll even go to an extent of building up a suitable strategy plan that fits your investment size.

    • @josephammon715
      @josephammon715 Год назад

      you can communicate with her on TELEGRAM with the username below.

    • @josephammon715
      @josephammon715 Год назад +2

      investwithCynthia💯

    • @tanyalynn9089
      @tanyalynn9089 Год назад

      @@josephammon715 Thank you

  • @gregorycarter1940
    @gregorycarter1940 Год назад +10

    They already had a back door to filter to another company I'm sure they had a fall out plan in place

    • @matthewyoho5422
      @matthewyoho5422 Год назад

      You're talking about someone who happily explained on a financial podcast that actual grown-ups listen to that DeFi's main "feature" works by just being a Ponzi scheme here, as if that wasn't a damning indictment of the entire crypto industry: SBF wasn't some Machiavellian genius planner who had every contingency works out, he was a dumbass who was bumbling his way along, while people who *should* know better lauded him as this eccentric boy wonder and "the next J.P. Morgan".
      The "hack" is largely considered to be the work of an inexperienced insider, who had privileged access to pull it off but didn't really know what they were doing, based on how they went about it and the mistakes they made (draining accounts in ways that then left them unable to pay transaction fees and whatnot), not some well planned out contingency.

  • @joec9540
    @joec9540 Год назад +6

    This subject is tied to a lot of democrats and they tend to disappear thier problems. Could be a dangerous topic to cover thanks for doing so.

  • @NaZtRdAmUs
    @NaZtRdAmUs Год назад +1

    FTX be like "nah we really got hacked I swear"...

  • @randomness4989
    @randomness4989 Год назад +15

    I would like to point out that alot of american politician actually "invested" into FTX, supossedly so we might be looking into a deeper rabbit hole

    • @ric270
      @ric270 Год назад +14

      And the CEO of ftx is the second largest donor to the democrat party

    • @hope-cat4894
      @hope-cat4894 Год назад +5

      @TheManFromAuntie Apparently some are claiming there are Ukraine ties too. This rabbit hole is going all the way to Albuquerque with Bugs Bunny! 😳 🐇

    • @joshwilson6388
      @joshwilson6388 Год назад +3

      @TheManFromAuntie Upper Echelon Gaming has a very good video detailing many of the known, verifiable facts including political donations and insider connections

    • @ffffuchs
      @ffffuchs Год назад +2

      @@hope-cat4894 yeah, lot of bogus claims based entirely on contrarian attitude.

    • @brobocops
      @brobocops Год назад +1

      @@ric270 And Ukraine was heavily invested in FTX....while being sent billions from the Biden admin....hmm

  • @TheFinagle
    @TheFinagle Год назад +6

    You really need to start adding "so far . . . " if 'the worst loss in crypto ever' is going to continue to be an every other week event.

  • @CodenameDoubleL7
    @CodenameDoubleL7 Год назад +3

    You need to look into that Nawfel guy. He was a rug puller and has tried to completely scrub any trace of it. The big exchanges want regulations brought in to legalize their shady practices. This is the catalyst that they need.

  • @pixelator5312
    @pixelator5312 Год назад

    "sheen, this is the seventh week in a row you've shown the worst crypto loss in class"

  • @ILoveBluePeople
    @ILoveBluePeople Год назад +9

    That guy got the wrong person...
    There were two people in the system at the time... The hacker and the IT guy trying to stop it.
    The IT guy got flagged now and that tweet makes it look bad for him lol

  • @archaicsoul4597
    @archaicsoul4597 Год назад

    “Well… I can’t end stupidity but no point in limiting my range of content either”
    -Muta 2022

  • @antthegord9411
    @antthegord9411 Год назад +3

    The adult equivelant of falling for the free armor trimming scam in runescape. (rip to my fellow bros and sis's who did the same)
    At least I didn't lose anything worth real life money though, and I got to learn that lesson early on.

  • @meitsme372
    @meitsme372 Год назад

    This has the making of a Hollyweird blockbuster written all over it; the Bahamas, sex, money, scandal: it's got it all!

  • @corynthius8860
    @corynthius8860 Год назад +3

    Genuinley hope this event permanetly bleeds out crypto bros. So many people have been scammed now its unreal

  • @Memehoardercatwoofdogmeow
    @Memehoardercatwoofdogmeow Год назад +2

    Me, who doesn't invest in crypto: dang, thats crazy.

  • @tetrafuse3096
    @tetrafuse3096 Год назад +3

    Any loss in Cropto is always ALWAYS a W

  • @NickDoddTV
    @NickDoddTV Год назад

    I love it when Muta gets unhinged.

  • @majicdude88
    @majicdude88 Год назад +6

    FTX pulled a convoluted exit scam.

  • @1234_Flux
    @1234_Flux Год назад +2

    Gold can only be hacked with a pickaxe 😂

  • @seanjis007
    @seanjis007 Год назад +5

    I saw a few days ago FTX filed for bankruptcy

  • @richardlincoln886
    @richardlincoln886 Год назад +2

    End of the day: Banking = trusting someone somewhere. Choose: a country and its financial controls, or some anonymous software developers saying 'trust me'

  • @WinterBoots15
    @WinterBoots15 Год назад +4

    At this point it either will get regulated or stay in this space of easy to scam. It being regulated literally is the reason people will just avoid it.

  • @p_a873
    @p_a873 Год назад +10

    It baffles me how crypto bros still don't understand that deleting a tweet is not gonna change a thing

    • @blackneos940
      @blackneos940 Год назад

      You have like maybe 15, 20 seconds tops before people see it and screenshot it. But remember, screenshotting doesn't mean you *own* it. ;)

    • @h3meraWZ
      @h3meraWZ Год назад +1

      Man i would be pissed loosing my money to a guy that thinks deleting a tweet would erase the evidence.
      At least show some skill when scamming me 😄

  • @youtubestudiosucks978
    @youtubestudiosucks978 Год назад +5

    Who else gained an ad for crypto currency?

  • @antiRuka
    @antiRuka Год назад +1

    There is a lot of nepotism going on and I think this couldn't have happened without it.

  • @argnator
    @argnator Год назад +4

    At least Top Confidentially Listen Independent Non-Organizational Donors got their money.
    In unrelated news, there are amnesty papers being written up along with an invitation for Bankman-Fried to join the Federal Reserve as the head of a new Crypto Enforcement group.

    • @Jadty
      @Jadty Год назад

      👃🏼🤔

  • @virtualworldsbyloff
    @virtualworldsbyloff Год назад +1

    Rugpull, call it a Hack, than go enjoy your brand new Yacht, lol...

  • @MCH721
    @MCH721 Год назад +7

    what a time to be alive!

  • @manuelcarlosluna4601
    @manuelcarlosluna4601 Год назад +2

    co-workers intimate relationships always kill a company, a ticking time bomb indeed he self sabotaged himself brah🗿

  • @hobojoegaming19
    @hobojoegaming19 Год назад +3

    Isnt the act of mineing crypto the equivalent of printing (even possibly counterfeit) money?

    • @___DRIP___
      @___DRIP___ Год назад

      Kind of. It’s like creating an entirely new currency and a bunch of speculators betting that they can make money off it if it takes off. FOMO causes people to back a coin simply because of the future possible gains

  • @Tiberon098
    @Tiberon098 Год назад +1

    As the great Jeremy Clarkson once said: “Oh no; anyway.”

  • @Rdac0
    @Rdac0 Год назад +4

    I'm 2 minutes in but I gotta ask: If crypto is decentralised why would the fall of 1 company affect it whatsoever?

    • @danielaponte4054
      @danielaponte4054 Год назад

      Because Crypto depends on the trust of investors
      Specially for being a digital asset

  • @davel4030
    @davel4030 Год назад

    I'm just watching all this like "where's the popcorn?"

  • @Jolis_Parsec
    @Jolis_Parsec Год назад +4

    Are we all just gonna ignore that his middle name is “Bankman”? That seems doubly ironic given how much money he’s helped folks lose recently, just sayin’. 😏

  • @CubicIronPyrite
    @CubicIronPyrite Год назад

    "Ha ha!" -That Simpsons guy

  • @JustChillinOnThe5thFloor
    @JustChillinOnThe5thFloor Год назад +10

    With all the news coming out everyday like possible FTX killing Luna and other tokens/exchanges, and worst/best of all Gary the head of SEC having ties to SBF.

    • @jackfry2786
      @jackfry2786 Год назад +1

      Meh, ftx might have killed some cryptos, but Luna was a scam from the start, no matter what ftx did. The found has obviously been stealing a ton of money lmao

    • @matthewyoho5422
      @matthewyoho5422 Год назад

      Terra was a worthless token backed by actual nothing, that Do Kwon claimed was "worth a dollar" because it would be arbitraged via an algorithm against his other worthless token, Luna, that had value "because he said it did", such that Terra's price would always be about $1.
      It was a tautological scheme with no actual cash anywhere in the equation, that wasn't even pretending as if there was cash in the equation... and people fell for it anyways, because making "stable" money appear from thin air that's neither stable nor money isn't even a novel scheme in that space, and crypto is a clown world where logic and common sense gets chucked straight out the window.
      Luna collapsed because Do Kwon is a grifter, who peddled a scam he knew damn well was a scam while he was peddling it; the man is currently trying to gaslight the world into thinking he's not on the run or wanted by Interpol, he's a pathological liar.

  • @zerrierslizer1
    @zerrierslizer1 Год назад

    Kraken COS: we know the identity of the user.
    the people: who is it?
    Kraken COS: a person.
    everyone: ......

  • @ssdemon96
    @ssdemon96 Год назад +21

    This is why I chose Coinbase because they fall under the US laws. And I never keep my cryptocurrency on an exchange. I transfer them to a software wallet with the bonus of keeping offline address keys on a hardware wallet. I make sure to keep my funds on a wallet of my own. I'd rather use cryptocurrency then a CBDC tokens that the fed controls. I will build my portfolio over time as a backup to fiat currency. I knew something was up with FTX from the very beginning I'm glad I never bought from them. I will only make sure that the exchange I use will be complying with US laws. I'm glad Coinbase at the moment follows the regulations. But yeah I will never keep my crypto on an exchange, just too risky. If anyone buys crypto use a software wallet I beg you and if you can also buy a hardware wallet for extra protection.

    • @t0m_mcc
      @t0m_mcc Год назад +1

      Check out local bitcoin.

    • @Zeiss120
      @Zeiss120 Год назад

      Its just data right? When I started and got my 1/xxth of a Bitcoin pie I put that on my hard wallet, after transferring it from my soft wallet account.
      So when the hype train ran off course during 2019~2021, I was going to jump on but I looked at some of these newer wallets and ... wtf? Why are you limiting me to 50 coins can only be stored on this USB device... like wut?

    • @Th3Professor
      @Th3Professor Год назад

      ​@@Zeiss120 coins aren't stored on the device...
      Neither are "wallets" - you can uninstall and reinstall apps on your hw wallet freely to access different wallets on different blockchains, you don't lose that data.
      Those devices have very limited memory...
      Clearly you do not understand this whole thing very well.

    • @Zeiss120
      @Zeiss120 Год назад

      @@Th3Professor I get the limited memory part, but no some hardware wallets will not allow you to change "software."
      And what do you mean
      "coins aren't stored on the device...
      Neither are "wallets" "
      Whats the point of a wallet if it isn't "stored" on it?
      So thos BitCoins that people had on their cold storage offline wallet, that ended up at the dumpster did not have the coins on them?
      Explain.

    • @tamucru4604
      @tamucru4604 Год назад +2

      @@Zeiss120 A hardware wallet is just a multi factor authentication device for various crypto wallets that stores the password offline essentially. In no scenario is crypto stored “in” the wallet in the way you’re saying.
      Blockchain is just a ledger or book keeping track of who sends and receives which cryptocurrencies, and how much.
      Your wallet address is your “profile” on that blockchain. This blockchain is cross referenced with your “profile” to see how much of each crypto you have.
      So, it’s not in you’re wallet per se, it’s on the blockchain and associated to a wallet address that you happen to use a hardware wallet to multi-factor authenticate (or “sign”) transactions on.
      Since you need this hardware wallet to sign/approve transactions, you CANNOT access the crypto associated with the “software” wallet to cash out or send elsewhere if you lose access to the physical hardware wallet.
      Software on hardware wallets just create a wallet to that respective cryptocurrency. The hardware wallet itself, again, is just used to sign transactions across those many wallets.
      Some hardware wallets don’t have “software”, but can be used with 3rd-party “software” wallets like MetaMask to sign transactions on those respective “software” wallets.

  • @emperorxenu519
    @emperorxenu519 Год назад

    One of these days cryptobros like Muta will realize there is no "cool technology" just a trash data structure and pixie dust

  • @fleedledeedle666
    @fleedledeedle666 Год назад +3

    "Crypto Bros once again lose money"
    Damn that sucks! Anyway...

    • @SamaelMoneyStein
      @SamaelMoneyStein Год назад

      666 ? Hmmm 🤔

    • @SamaelMoneyStein
      @SamaelMoneyStein Год назад

      Of course you would be against crypto you hate the fact of poor people having a financial chance in this world...

    • @fleedledeedle666
      @fleedledeedle666 Год назад

      @@SamaelMoneyStein lmao sick reach bro.👌

  • @badcampa2641
    @badcampa2641 Год назад

    'Krishna's butterbowl' has blown my mind

  • @tristic
    @tristic Год назад +13

    Maybe someday this tech can be used properly...

    • @whispr_2ME
      @whispr_2ME Год назад +2

      I would argue it already is.
      People will always find some way to scam someone or make a buck; this doesn't define the tech as a whole.
      I'd maybe compare it to telecoms in that so many scam calls go out every day, while so many people opt to text instead of talk on the phone that scam calls might make up considerable percentage of how the technology is used. We don't say that telecoms as a technology isn't being used correctly as a result of those bad actors though.

  • @4P0CA1YP5E
    @4P0CA1YP5E Год назад +1

    There is no backdoor in the FTX accounting systems.
    There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

  • @polarcoda
    @polarcoda Год назад +4

    That mousepad has been through the worst of all these shananigans 😢

  • @chilbiyito
    @chilbiyito Год назад +1

    I recommend everyone to watch Upper Echelon's video on the subject of FTX it goes in depth about the whole thing

  • @_jellyfish
    @_jellyfish Год назад +5

    when I saw the title I thought it was about Bitcoin dying or something. 💀 im sad this actually happens though.

    • @garystinten9339
      @garystinten9339 Год назад +4

      Don't be surprised if Bitcoin really becomes dubious and slowly starts to lose value.. or binance is the next to go.

    • @yungpablo6663
      @yungpablo6663 Год назад

      @@garystinten9339 you are saying this based on what? complete speculation I assume. If you did even a sliver of research you would realize Binance is the least likely to implode out of all the current big exchanges.

    • @noname-gp6hk
      @noname-gp6hk Год назад

      @@yungpablo6663 they all falling left and right. Errybody thought the others were pillars of value or they wouldn't have gone under. Apparently aint none of this shit worth dick.

    • @yungpablo6663
      @yungpablo6663 Год назад

      @@noname-gp6hk idk if this is English my brother

  • @quantumbogdonoff7591
    @quantumbogdonoff7591 Год назад

    At least Larry David was smart enough to only do a commercial if he could outright call it trash, looks like a comedy genius now

  • @britasha1194
    @britasha1194 Год назад +8

    Independent currency: good if you can trust it.
    Digital currency in the hands of the government: ... no thanks, I'd rather not live in another CCP

  • @alexdenommee3219
    @alexdenommee3219 Год назад

    Entirely off topic, but I love the recommended 8 day old video in the top right corner: "Twitter is falling apart", It's basically hypergolic at this point, anything musk touches within Twitter is just going full combustion, immediately.

  • @ffffuchs
    @ffffuchs Год назад +88

    The interesting part is, it barely moved crypto prices (the main ones anyway), since FTX wasn't actually trading crypto just liabilities for most part.

    • @Toastybees
      @Toastybees Год назад +24

      Copium.

    • @tyingbigknots2470
      @tyingbigknots2470 Год назад +39

      @@Toastybees Pointing out an irregularity is not copium lmao

    • @netcat22
      @netcat22 Год назад +2

      copium

    • @ffffuchs
      @ffffuchs Год назад +17

      @@Toastybees im not invested in crypto ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @caden3ds
      @caden3ds Год назад

      @@Toastybees Least dumb crypto hater

  • @agrape2887
    @agrape2887 Год назад +9

    The biggest rug-pull of all time

  • @Lazzil
    @Lazzil Год назад

    "How is it that they got hacked at the same time?"
    HACKERMAN!