Can Dem Moderates Win Back Rural Voters? (w/ Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez) | The Next Level
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez pulled off a surprise win against Republican Joe Kent in the 2022 midterms, and since entering Congress has made a name for herself as a truly moderate Democrat.
Tim asks her about progressives calling her a "Kyrsten Sinema wannabe" for her vote against student loan forgiveness, as well as the Democratic Party's struggles with working class, rural voters, and the congresswoman's prior career in auto repair.
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It's great she is a part of the Democratic party. They need more of her. I agree with her and the issues of rural communities that can't be ignored and stereotyped.
Thank you, Tim! Rep. Perez is forthright and smart, and seems to care about the right things.
Absolutely loved Rep. Glausenkamp Kemp. What a wonderfully genuine and honesthuman being. Washington state pumps out real people like this and I am here for it.
Another problem,which you never touch on,is the loan system is corrupt!! I went to university in 1964 to 1973 and graduated with a debt of $200,000.00 in today’s dollars. It was a loan from the bank guaranteed by the US govt. at .5%. The first year I didn’t have enough money to make a payment so I didn’t have to make a payment for one year. I paid all of it back! OK I had a great job,but the point was the GOVT. was interested in me getting an education and being able to pay it back not some private institution trying to make money off stuents! Now it’s 6 %, no declaring bankruptcy,etc. The focus changed from trying to help people get educated to making money off susceptible people. This was just one of many things the govt. does better than private enterprise.
All that but also many high interest government student loans. They are making money off of students too. Read Elizabeth Warren's study on what it takes to run a profitable student loan program. 2-3% interest. Not 6, 7, 8.25...%.
That's my congressional representative! Glad to hear that even though we both subscribe to the umbrella of the Democrat party, she has thoughts and opinions that I disagree with. I non-sarcastically love that.
I am very impressed by Rep Gluesenkamp Perez. She is the exact kind of Democratic candidates that we need in every swing district.
This topic is so triggering for me. My son was going to be able to start fresh and now he won't.
He works with autistic kids, he's a great young man, and will not be able to afford a home or a future for himself after all of his hard work.
None of the recipients of student debt relief were petty rich kids.
These are kids who qualified for Pell grants, does anybody have a concept of how poor we are?
It sounds like she voted that way because of the opinion of her constituents, and that's fine, but be honest.
She's impressive in her knowledge of rural issues, something I'm familiar with as I lived in a deep red New York county for over 30 years, and I recently heard my own son-in-law complain about the tractor issue. He raises equestrian hay as well as corn. While he did not attend college, he is so smart in business and farming matters. Plus he has great people skills. But, I'd take issue with the loan forgiveness vote. I understand her constituency largely not being college educated. But their young doctors are. I know because my daughter is an FMOB in a rural area, and it has been a real struggle to get loan forgiveness for treating pregnant women in an area where facilities are more like a third world country than the United States. The problem is compounding interest. She has actually paid more in interest than on her actual debt. That's extortion. And Joe Biden just fixed that for her.
The student debt vote is interesting, as it's a reminder that voters have little tolerance for altruism. Is it not possible that student debt relief can be beneficial, and that MGPs own constituents might also benefit from other voters altruism?
But the issue is that those in Perez’s district always feel last in line
Sure, but "altruism" towards corporations and billionaires is fine? (How do you think college tuition got that high?)
But yeah Americans are all about money and individualism. Altruism is for losers.
Great pod as always. Glad you had her she’s a interesting rep that before I’ve never heard of but now a new fav.
Such a good segment! Wish we could have more reps like her.
We can! Be knowledgeable, vote and get others to vote.
"Tickled my Republican pickle" is a phrase I never want to hear again. Nightmare fuel.
Marie, people need student load relief. Bad move to vote it down. Support the kids, the people, not the corporations and freaking banks. Enough. Banks received relief, it's time for students, they are the future. Plus, the money they don't spend on the load ,they will spend. So economy will be better and everyone will be better off.
A one-time waiver is not a real policy response, as it does nothing to mitigate the problem going forward. Allowing everybody - schools, banks, and future students - to think that additional future waivers are likely, is even worse, as it encourages schools to raise tuitions more, and students to accept those worse debts.
I would have liked for the Rep. to possibly address the collegiate football programs and how that has caused the educational institutions to erode. Athletics in general can be a plus for an institution, but it has gotten way out of control. I would also agree with some here that the loans need to go through the government vs the banks. Banks only have one thing in mind and it isn't student interest.
She lives in a district that is mostly timber, a paper mill (same basic thing), farming areas, and Vancouver WA. While I wouldn't swear to this, about half my extended family lives in her district and there are no D1 schools, and I can't even think of a D2 school.
She isn't kidding about voting according to the needs of her district. If they keep her, that will be why.
I really agree about the football programs and have been complaining about it for years. There can be no real progress until we separate sports and academics, IMO.
Thanks, Tim! I’m really enjoying your Sunday interviews! ❤🎉
Wow outstanding interview! Thank you. We need More Rep Perez! I will be donating to her campaign!
This is a corporate greed problem
I like her honesty and focus on her community!
Public schools in many cities also don't have ac; people in cities who aren't rich also can't afford/access daycare. Let's look for issues that cross the urban-rural divide instead of acting as if there are no commonalities.
Great discussion. I grew up in Ohio to working class parents. Perez sounds practical and normal. There are way too many overeducated, condescending staffers in DC Dem politics-blind to their privilege and weird lingo.
What the Democrats need is plain English. "Invest in education and job training , you wont have to spend tax dollars for food stamps, rental assistance, child care, etc. etc.
Yup!
No the entire country would benefit from student loan forgiveness not just Washington DC and that’s the Ohio governor fault why a school doesn’t have AC not Washington DC and she knows this. She is a Sinema want to be is correct I see it in her.
Wow, very interesting and informative conversation ❤❤. Most urban folks are completely unaware of the rural issues. We need More of these types of issues to be addressed. 💪 JessPiper 💪.. Dirt Road Democrat and head of Blue Missouri.. is trying to explain and expose these types of issues too. ❤❤
nice roof on the woodshed ...
Progress in society never comes from rural areas.
Of course she has Republicans on staff.
Glad Tim brought a different angle to the student loan debate. It constantly feels like moderates give substantive criticisms to insubstantial progressive "arguments." Feels like a strawman. I will also add that many with student debt don't hold degrees and there are also degree holders that are working class. If you're going to do the edu reform without loan forgiveness, at least discuss why we can't do both. (I understand there would be a lot of roadblocks to this, but what is the point of the surface level forgiveness vs reform spiel being repeated constantly?)
Yes! It’s this “either/or” mentality that gets me. Why can’t Dems govern for both educated/more urban voters and uneducated/more rural voters? Both the middle and working classes are struggling.
@@mynameisalexandershamilton Exactly! And the idea that existing Dem policy proposals wouldn't help rural voters is disingenuous. I agree with other commenters about issues overlapping between urban and rural communities, especially considering the ACs in schools example.
The more I think about it, voting against bills because they wouldn't help her district is a fallacy. Shouldn't the question be whether it hurts them? If it's irrelevant to them but would help others, then why not vote for? It's so frustrating to see well-intentioned people fall into the same narrow minded traps over and over again.
@@ProcrastinatorsAnon exactly. I watched Tim Ryan make this same mistake when he ran for Ohio senate and spoke out again student debt relief. It’s great to want to expand your coalition and include blue-collar/union workers, but it’s also political suicide as a Democrat to alienate young, college-educated voters. I understand the branding of “blue dog.” It’s hard for a progressive to get elected in rural areas. But govern on behalf of the diverse coalition of voters who got you elected.
I really enjoyed this, I look forward to following your pod
Great show, great guest!
it's somewhat ironic .. most small towns had many 'family' businesses .. the grocery market drug store hardware store gas station office supplies etc etc .. and slowly they were 'replaced' by the big conglomerates as the locals including farmers abandoned their neighbors and downtowns to drive out of town to save a few bucks and then wondered why it now sucks ... and now those same 'family' farmers want to be saved and get some protections from the same forces that drove their towns to poverty that they wouldn't support in the past ... there is blood on everyone's hands ...
Very well put!
"Yeah, i mean, yeah" I'm sorry this is horrible. She voted yes on something she disagreed with because the "Senate" will fix it. Wow. It's not "fact-based thinking" yet she voted for it
I’m glad you also don’t find her that articulate. She is just doing a weird branding exercise for a Democrat.
@@mynameisalexandershamilton I just find it off putting the condescension she has towards college educated folks. It's just repackaged grievance politics, Also Tim didn't call her out on "working class" she wants to appeal to rural working class whites even at the expense of our working class urban base or the new college educated white dem vote
@@mattfaustini you said it. Dems should be the party of the middle AND working classes, broadly speaking. That’s the only way to be a “big tent” party.
Rep. Gluesenkamp Perez points out that oversized corporate interests have been squeezing the life out of farmers and rural communities for decades, their near sighted pursuit of profit has even started hamstringing our military, (and btw, a lot of our service men and women come from rural communities), funding for even primary education has been decimated, and the value of rural culture is completely lost on the college educated urban elite.
In other words, people are not being properly served, especially rural people. And efforts to call attention to this are met with condescending, double talking politicians who won't answer questions and don't anticipate being held accountable.
Is it any wonder that many rural people are finally so fed up and jaded that their only answer seems to be retreating to a MAGA fantasy and just burning it all down.
Well, it was Democrats who made Medicare accessible, extended broadband, and passed the infrastructure bill. When Republicans are elected, they shut down rural hospitals and limit civil rights. My criticisms of the Democratic party don't blind me to the horrors of GOP leadership.
And yet how many of them voted for the very politicians that made this happen? In other words the GOP and the blue dog Dems like Clinton who sold the country and the working MIDDLE CLASS down the river to please their DONOR CLASS.
What an attractive politician, not you Tim, sorry, but rather Rep. Perez. Re college: if your job is one that a 2, 4, 6 year degree or certificate is required, that should be a Tax Write-off. Also, if you are current with re-payments, defer interest charges, not accruing added cost, and if all principle is paid off with no late or missing payments, interest should be waived. This would be for people in or out of a 'degree required position'.
Put in some limited safety/emergency exemptions for verifiable late payments for thing like health, job change, birth, etc..
My work here is done.
I'd not heard of Rep. Perez before this interview, but I appreciate her commonsense approach to politics. She is the first congresswoman I've heard of that recruits staff from both sides of the aisle. It shows strength to be open to dissenting views. I hope to hear more from her and less from the Tuppervilles and MTGs in Washington, DC.
I disagreed with President Biden's push for student loan forgiveness. No one should be forced to pay the personal debts of others. I feel for those who fall down the financial hole of student loan debt. But, there are so many other ways to get a college education. I, personally, took advantage of employers' tuition reimbursement programs. I chipped away at taking college courses while working. I finally made a decision to enroll in an accelerated degree completion program. I funded it by taking a low-interest second mortgage through my credit union. I paid off the debt over the course of a few years. People refinance loans all the time, but no one can refinance student loan debt. How shameful that it has become a winning business model for the banks that deal in these types of loans.
Another way to view student loan debt is as an investment in the future of the nation as a whole in the exact same manner that all public school is… time was when universal education was not seen as a right. An addition to college debt can be a requirement that your first two years in the field be in underserved areas.
Look at the difference in what could be done for workers in the Rust Belt, Appalachia where previous jobs are dependent on single, dwindling resources or types of factories. Give these people a future that helps the economy at large at the same time.
@@AMunoz-rh9cz Good point, but I'd also like to see better funding of public K-12 schools.
Of course, the reality is that rural areas are grossly overrepresented due to gerrymandering and the electoral college. The truth is Rural voters are more likely to vote for Social Outrage issue than Right to Repair or other issues. You look at the districts sending the Marjorie Taylor Greenes and Lauren Boeberts to Congress, and they are the heavily rural districts.
Your misunderstanding of the electoral college is hilarious, but also pathetic.
You must need me to pay your student loan, right kid?
Why do you want to take away my rights?
@@imperialmotoring3789
Electoral college is irrelevant. Every issue that takes place in rural areas is multiplied by 1000 in urban areas. Hence WHEN THE MAJORITY SUCCEEDS, so does the minority.
@@imperialmotoring3789 You're the one who clearly doesn't know shit about the electoral college. For instance, a shithole rural state like Wyoming has under 600K people and 3 electoral votes, so thats around 200K people per electoral vote. California on the other hand has 39 million people and 55 electoral votes. So that's over 700K people per electoral vote.
So while uneducated people like yourself are woefully ignorant of how the electoral system works, it's pretty clear to people with working brains who understand the system works know that the electoral college grossly overrepresents the rural vote. Under the principle of one man, one vote, California should have about 3.5 times as many votes to have the same electoral representation as Wyoming.
@@THATBOISHAD The electoral college makes it so none of us are irrelevant. You accidentally made sense and said something correct!
The USA is a Constitutional Republic, not a tyranny of the majority democracy.
I live in Chicago by the way, where the electoral college makes me succeed as a minority here in Chicago, when I am drowning in a majority of democrats.
I'm sure rural areas do not have the crime and influx of illegals like I do here.
Rurals are vastly over represented in the senate.
SOFTBALL interview. She got a pretty nice 60,000 loan for her biz. And after she ran a campaign on paying your fair share of taxes, she failed to pay 6000.00 in back taxes. She also couldn't vote qgainst Santos' expulsion. And she thinks asssult weapons are A OK. "discrete set of people" ??? So should we call people who use tractors and throw saws a descrete set of people?
Absoutely. Yeah, it's TOTALLY a softball interview. What you brought up should be brought up EVERY time someone interviews her. She's a cheat and a liar....a Democrat in name only....and only there in office to help herself and not her district. If she really was, she would be for the $20k forgiveness for borrowers who make at most $75k/year. Ya know....average working folk she says she holds so dear.
She's straight up a con artist sweet talking like Sinema. Watch her get on board with hedge funders in the next year.
Good episode but the harping on student loan forgiveness is a bit much. Not everyone needs to go to college but it shouldn't be for moneyed elites only. As we pulled back on investment in higher education (for decades) people too on more debt. Also, Perez has gotten very close with the Chamber of Commerce, which is a bigger demerit than anything re student loans or rural communities. She also voted for the GOP's anti abortion anti LGBTQ defense bill which was....pulls down glasses...indefensible.
Excellent conversation.
Good morning all from Spring Valley, California.
My cousins dog’s name was Larry when he lived on Skamania Landing in Skamania. We called him Lawrence of Skamania
My guess is most of the audience here is too young to know about the movie Lawrence of Arabia. Wasted joke on youth
Tim, I loved your question about who she admires or maybe tries to model herself after.
So the way to reach rural people is to promise that the government will help them. BUT MAINLY that you will cut off urban poor people from help. Got it. Why don't us urban folk reach out to them more?
You're right. But look at this way. Biden only won by 45k votes. These elections are extremely tight. Every percentage helps. Can Dems win back rural america? No. Can we win over a few of them? Yes. And that's what we need to prevent fascism.
Where did that come from?
Thanks, Tim, great guest
GREAT SHOW GUYS/GALS❤🎉❤🎉
Really enjoyed this podcast. The congresswoman was extremely interesting and enlightening. Please have more young democrats like her.
Can rural voters not be cultist traitors?
Great interview!
There are no good reasons to log old growth forests. Spotted owls endangered species protection was a means to saving the small percentage of remaining intact forests.
Actually other than for the Sequoias you would be wrong as the old growth trees for the most part have stopped growing which means they have stopped taking in the carbon dioxide and other forms of pollution that we need trees to help control. Also the absence of logging mean the absence of repropagation of the forest as well as an increased likely hood of out of control wildfire. Old growth trees if not cut merely stand till they die rot and fall down.
@@danielbackley9301 bullshit
I agree with Rep Perez that we need to have more diversity in DC, including in educational backgrounds and experiences. I’ve met plenty of very intelligent people who never went to college
can you guys please do republicans??? can you interview Larry lazor he was an amazinf moderate-liberal republican in CT
She sounds just like sinema also
I disagree. Sinema is friends with hedge fund folks and Marie bends towards small business owners and workaday folks. Also, Marie has much more rural and right-winged voters than statewide Arizona. Agree with her or not, Marie is the most the Dems can get for WA-03.
Good call on changing the tile of the clip!
By Pardison is not going to college. What are you talking about?
I don't think Tim has a clue what a Gambler 500 is...
True!
I know what a Rambler was but even I'm confused on this one.
Journalism has the same Ivy League college problem
Great interview. She is no Kristen Sinema. I may disagree but she really is a worth encouraging so that Dems can find a way to open up rural America to Democrats.
She will switch parties I see
Come on Tim i have never held a license or owned a car and i can do both those things, got to have some car skills in this world....
0:56 tf???
Wow
From those intelligent voters who generated "The Spotted Owl Fiasco" as a serious political issue many years ago.
You know it's corporate greed that destroyed the logging and by extension the salmon industries in the Northwest right? Raw log exports to Asia cost the logging industry waaaaaaay more jobs than the spotted owl.
Look up the MAXXAM and it's hostile takeover of Pacific Lumber if you want to educate yourself.
She is a real normal person which is great!
I'm in love 2 minutes in lol. 😍🏳️🌈
I do not like that the people on this video clip did not announce their pronouns.
LMAO
She's great! Thanks, Tim. I really appreciate what you do.