Can Dem Moderates Win Back Rural Voters? (w/ Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez) | The Next Level

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  • Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez pulled off a surprise win against Republican Joe Kent in the 2022 midterms, and since entering Congress has made a name for herself as a truly moderate Democrat.
    Tim asks her about progressives calling her a "Kyrsten Sinema wannabe" for her vote against student loan forgiveness, as well as the Democratic Party's struggles with working class, rural voters, and the congresswoman's prior career in auto repair.
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  • @shelleyw.7707
    @shelleyw.7707 Год назад +33

    It's great she is a part of the Democratic party. They need more of her. I agree with her and the issues of rural communities that can't be ignored and stereotyped.

  • @ELL289
    @ELL289 Год назад +20

    Thank you, Tim! Rep. Perez is forthright and smart, and seems to care about the right things.

  • @iamthatisnt
    @iamthatisnt Год назад +8

    Absolutely loved Rep. Glausenkamp Kemp. What a wonderfully genuine and honesthuman being. Washington state pumps out real people like this and I am here for it.

  • @markbantz9699
    @markbantz9699 Год назад +22

    Another problem,which you never touch on,is the loan system is corrupt!! I went to university in 1964 to 1973 and graduated with a debt of $200,000.00 in today’s dollars. It was a loan from the bank guaranteed by the US govt. at .5%. The first year I didn’t have enough money to make a payment so I didn’t have to make a payment for one year. I paid all of it back! OK I had a great job,but the point was the GOVT. was interested in me getting an education and being able to pay it back not some private institution trying to make money off stuents! Now it’s 6 %, no declaring bankruptcy,etc. The focus changed from trying to help people get educated to making money off susceptible people. This was just one of many things the govt. does better than private enterprise.

    • @JulieMeyer1
      @JulieMeyer1 Год назад +7

      All that but also many high interest government student loans. They are making money off of students too. Read Elizabeth Warren's study on what it takes to run a profitable student loan program. 2-3% interest. Not 6, 7, 8.25...%.

  • @Earlyman96
    @Earlyman96 Год назад +11

    That's my congressional representative! Glad to hear that even though we both subscribe to the umbrella of the Democrat party, she has thoughts and opinions that I disagree with. I non-sarcastically love that.

  • @thfpnw7103
    @thfpnw7103 Год назад +38

    I am very impressed by Rep Gluesenkamp Perez. She is the exact kind of Democratic candidates that we need in every swing district.

  • @Kamikamkam1222
    @Kamikamkam1222 Год назад +11

    This topic is so triggering for me. My son was going to be able to start fresh and now he won't.
    He works with autistic kids, he's a great young man, and will not be able to afford a home or a future for himself after all of his hard work.
    None of the recipients of student debt relief were petty rich kids.
    These are kids who qualified for Pell grants, does anybody have a concept of how poor we are?
    It sounds like she voted that way because of the opinion of her constituents, and that's fine, but be honest.

  • @sherrymchugh784
    @sherrymchugh784 Год назад +12

    She's impressive in her knowledge of rural issues, something I'm familiar with as I lived in a deep red New York county for over 30 years, and I recently heard my own son-in-law complain about the tractor issue. He raises equestrian hay as well as corn. While he did not attend college, he is so smart in business and farming matters. Plus he has great people skills. But, I'd take issue with the loan forgiveness vote. I understand her constituency largely not being college educated. But their young doctors are. I know because my daughter is an FMOB in a rural area, and it has been a real struggle to get loan forgiveness for treating pregnant women in an area where facilities are more like a third world country than the United States. The problem is compounding interest. She has actually paid more in interest than on her actual debt. That's extortion. And Joe Biden just fixed that for her.

  • @herme99
    @herme99 Год назад +7

    The student debt vote is interesting, as it's a reminder that voters have little tolerance for altruism. Is it not possible that student debt relief can be beneficial, and that MGPs own constituents might also benefit from other voters altruism?

    • @theaxe6198
      @theaxe6198 Год назад +1

      But the issue is that those in Perez’s district always feel last in line

    • @dtptcn
      @dtptcn Год назад

      Sure, but "altruism" towards corporations and billionaires is fine? (How do you think college tuition got that high?)
      But yeah Americans are all about money and individualism. Altruism is for losers.

  • @LiberalPatriot24
    @LiberalPatriot24 Год назад +15

    Great pod as always. Glad you had her she’s a interesting rep that before I’ve never heard of but now a new fav.

  • @cynthiahansen9395
    @cynthiahansen9395 Год назад +14

    Such a good segment! Wish we could have more reps like her.

    • @rikcoach1
      @rikcoach1 Год назад +1

      We can! Be knowledgeable, vote and get others to vote.

  • @kristinsewell1441
    @kristinsewell1441 Год назад +6

    "Tickled my Republican pickle" is a phrase I never want to hear again. Nightmare fuel.

  • @qamn23
    @qamn23 Год назад +17

    Marie, people need student load relief. Bad move to vote it down. Support the kids, the people, not the corporations and freaking banks. Enough. Banks received relief, it's time for students, they are the future. Plus, the money they don't spend on the load ,they will spend. So economy will be better and everyone will be better off.

    • @Spearca
      @Spearca Год назад +5

      A one-time waiver is not a real policy response, as it does nothing to mitigate the problem going forward. Allowing everybody - schools, banks, and future students - to think that additional future waivers are likely, is even worse, as it encourages schools to raise tuitions more, and students to accept those worse debts.

  • @LS-wn5cd
    @LS-wn5cd Год назад +12

    I would have liked for the Rep. to possibly address the collegiate football programs and how that has caused the educational institutions to erode. Athletics in general can be a plus for an institution, but it has gotten way out of control. I would also agree with some here that the loans need to go through the government vs the banks. Banks only have one thing in mind and it isn't student interest.

    • @Darbimac
      @Darbimac Год назад +1

      She lives in a district that is mostly timber, a paper mill (same basic thing), farming areas, and Vancouver WA. While I wouldn't swear to this, about half my extended family lives in her district and there are no D1 schools, and I can't even think of a D2 school.
      She isn't kidding about voting according to the needs of her district. If they keep her, that will be why.

    • @linguaphile42
      @linguaphile42 Год назад +2

      I really agree about the football programs and have been complaining about it for years. There can be no real progress until we separate sports and academics, IMO.

  • @teacher01ful
    @teacher01ful Год назад +7

    Thanks, Tim! I’m really enjoying your Sunday interviews! ❤🎉

  • @margaretromero5079
    @margaretromero5079 Год назад +5

    Wow outstanding interview! Thank you. We need More Rep Perez! I will be donating to her campaign!

  • @bjohnson1085
    @bjohnson1085 Год назад +2

    This is a corporate greed problem

  • @keylime2998
    @keylime2998 Год назад +4

    I like her honesty and focus on her community!

  • @AndreaEstepa
    @AndreaEstepa Год назад +10

    Public schools in many cities also don't have ac; people in cities who aren't rich also can't afford/access daycare. Let's look for issues that cross the urban-rural divide instead of acting as if there are no commonalities.

  • @frankstanton4114
    @frankstanton4114 Год назад +15

    Great discussion. I grew up in Ohio to working class parents. Perez sounds practical and normal. There are way too many overeducated, condescending staffers in DC Dem politics-blind to their privilege and weird lingo.

  • @alanbailey5621
    @alanbailey5621 Год назад +6

    What the Democrats need is plain English. "Invest in education and job training , you wont have to spend tax dollars for food stamps, rental assistance, child care, etc. etc.

  • @Sharonjones1981-yx
    @Sharonjones1981-yx Год назад +5

    No the entire country would benefit from student loan forgiveness not just Washington DC and that’s the Ohio governor fault why a school doesn’t have AC not Washington DC and she knows this. She is a Sinema want to be is correct I see it in her.

  • @chrischandler688
    @chrischandler688 Год назад +5

    Wow, very interesting and informative conversation ❤❤. Most urban folks are completely unaware of the rural issues. We need More of these types of issues to be addressed. 💪 JessPiper 💪.. Dirt Road Democrat and head of Blue Missouri.. is trying to explain and expose these types of issues too. ❤❤

  • @direwolf6234
    @direwolf6234 Год назад +4

    nice roof on the woodshed ...

  • @dtptcn
    @dtptcn Год назад +1

    Progress in society never comes from rural areas.

  • @teak43
    @teak43 Год назад +8

    Of course she has Republicans on staff.

  • @ProcrastinatorsAnon
    @ProcrastinatorsAnon Год назад +15

    Glad Tim brought a different angle to the student loan debate. It constantly feels like moderates give substantive criticisms to insubstantial progressive "arguments." Feels like a strawman. I will also add that many with student debt don't hold degrees and there are also degree holders that are working class. If you're going to do the edu reform without loan forgiveness, at least discuss why we can't do both. (I understand there would be a lot of roadblocks to this, but what is the point of the surface level forgiveness vs reform spiel being repeated constantly?)

    • @mynameisalexandershamilton
      @mynameisalexandershamilton Год назад +4

      Yes! It’s this “either/or” mentality that gets me. Why can’t Dems govern for both educated/more urban voters and uneducated/more rural voters? Both the middle and working classes are struggling.

    • @ProcrastinatorsAnon
      @ProcrastinatorsAnon Год назад +6

      @@mynameisalexandershamilton Exactly! And the idea that existing Dem policy proposals wouldn't help rural voters is disingenuous. I agree with other commenters about issues overlapping between urban and rural communities, especially considering the ACs in schools example.
      The more I think about it, voting against bills because they wouldn't help her district is a fallacy. Shouldn't the question be whether it hurts them? If it's irrelevant to them but would help others, then why not vote for? It's so frustrating to see well-intentioned people fall into the same narrow minded traps over and over again.

    • @mynameisalexandershamilton
      @mynameisalexandershamilton Год назад +8

      @@ProcrastinatorsAnon exactly. I watched Tim Ryan make this same mistake when he ran for Ohio senate and spoke out again student debt relief. It’s great to want to expand your coalition and include blue-collar/union workers, but it’s also political suicide as a Democrat to alienate young, college-educated voters. I understand the branding of “blue dog.” It’s hard for a progressive to get elected in rural areas. But govern on behalf of the diverse coalition of voters who got you elected.

  • @miltonchambers8194
    @miltonchambers8194 Год назад +4

    I really enjoyed this, I look forward to following your pod

  • @onlykarlhenning
    @onlykarlhenning Год назад +5

    Great show, great guest!

  • @direwolf6234
    @direwolf6234 Год назад +6

    it's somewhat ironic .. most small towns had many 'family' businesses .. the grocery market drug store hardware store gas station office supplies etc etc .. and slowly they were 'replaced' by the big conglomerates as the locals including farmers abandoned their neighbors and downtowns to drive out of town to save a few bucks and then wondered why it now sucks ... and now those same 'family' farmers want to be saved and get some protections from the same forces that drove their towns to poverty that they wouldn't support in the past ... there is blood on everyone's hands ...

  • @mattfaustini
    @mattfaustini Год назад +4

    "Yeah, i mean, yeah" I'm sorry this is horrible. She voted yes on something she disagreed with because the "Senate" will fix it. Wow. It's not "fact-based thinking" yet she voted for it

    • @mynameisalexandershamilton
      @mynameisalexandershamilton Год назад +3

      I’m glad you also don’t find her that articulate. She is just doing a weird branding exercise for a Democrat.

    • @mattfaustini
      @mattfaustini Год назад +4

      @@mynameisalexandershamilton I just find it off putting the condescension she has towards college educated folks. It's just repackaged grievance politics, Also Tim didn't call her out on "working class" she wants to appeal to rural working class whites even at the expense of our working class urban base or the new college educated white dem vote

    • @mynameisalexandershamilton
      @mynameisalexandershamilton Год назад +5

      @@mattfaustini you said it. Dems should be the party of the middle AND working classes, broadly speaking. That’s the only way to be a “big tent” party.

  • @mjinba07
    @mjinba07 Год назад +2

    Rep. Gluesenkamp Perez points out that oversized corporate interests have been squeezing the life out of farmers and rural communities for decades, their near sighted pursuit of profit has even started hamstringing our military, (and btw, a lot of our service men and women come from rural communities), funding for even primary education has been decimated, and the value of rural culture is completely lost on the college educated urban elite.
    In other words, people are not being properly served, especially rural people. And efforts to call attention to this are met with condescending, double talking politicians who won't answer questions and don't anticipate being held accountable.
    Is it any wonder that many rural people are finally so fed up and jaded that their only answer seems to be retreating to a MAGA fantasy and just burning it all down.

    • @hw-rg7gn
      @hw-rg7gn Год назад +1

      Well, it was Democrats who made Medicare accessible, extended broadband, and passed the infrastructure bill. When Republicans are elected, they shut down rural hospitals and limit civil rights. My criticisms of the Democratic party don't blind me to the horrors of GOP leadership.

    • @danielbackley9301
      @danielbackley9301 Год назад

      And yet how many of them voted for the very politicians that made this happen? In other words the GOP and the blue dog Dems like Clinton who sold the country and the working MIDDLE CLASS down the river to please their DONOR CLASS.

  • @stevie754
    @stevie754 Год назад +4

    What an attractive politician, not you Tim, sorry, but rather Rep. Perez. Re college: if your job is one that a 2, 4, 6 year degree or certificate is required, that should be a Tax Write-off. Also, if you are current with re-payments, defer interest charges, not accruing added cost, and if all principle is paid off with no late or missing payments, interest should be waived. This would be for people in or out of a 'degree required position'.
    Put in some limited safety/emergency exemptions for verifiable late payments for thing like health, job change, birth, etc..
    My work here is done.

  • @lisalivingston6473
    @lisalivingston6473 Год назад

    I'd not heard of Rep. Perez before this interview, but I appreciate her commonsense approach to politics. She is the first congresswoman I've heard of that recruits staff from both sides of the aisle. It shows strength to be open to dissenting views. I hope to hear more from her and less from the Tuppervilles and MTGs in Washington, DC.
    I disagreed with President Biden's push for student loan forgiveness. No one should be forced to pay the personal debts of others. I feel for those who fall down the financial hole of student loan debt. But, there are so many other ways to get a college education. I, personally, took advantage of employers' tuition reimbursement programs. I chipped away at taking college courses while working. I finally made a decision to enroll in an accelerated degree completion program. I funded it by taking a low-interest second mortgage through my credit union. I paid off the debt over the course of a few years. People refinance loans all the time, but no one can refinance student loan debt. How shameful that it has become a winning business model for the banks that deal in these types of loans.

    • @AMunoz-rh9cz
      @AMunoz-rh9cz Год назад +1

      Another way to view student loan debt is as an investment in the future of the nation as a whole in the exact same manner that all public school is… time was when universal education was not seen as a right. An addition to college debt can be a requirement that your first two years in the field be in underserved areas.
      Look at the difference in what could be done for workers in the Rust Belt, Appalachia where previous jobs are dependent on single, dwindling resources or types of factories. Give these people a future that helps the economy at large at the same time.

    • @lisalivingston6473
      @lisalivingston6473 Год назад +1

      @@AMunoz-rh9cz Good point, but I'd also like to see better funding of public K-12 schools.

  • @dancahill9585
    @dancahill9585 Год назад +14

    Of course, the reality is that rural areas are grossly overrepresented due to gerrymandering and the electoral college. The truth is Rural voters are more likely to vote for Social Outrage issue than Right to Repair or other issues. You look at the districts sending the Marjorie Taylor Greenes and Lauren Boeberts to Congress, and they are the heavily rural districts.

    • @imperialmotoring3789
      @imperialmotoring3789 Год назад

      Your misunderstanding of the electoral college is hilarious, but also pathetic.
      You must need me to pay your student loan, right kid?
      Why do you want to take away my rights?

    • @THATBOISHAD
      @THATBOISHAD Год назад +2

      ​@@imperialmotoring3789
      Electoral college is irrelevant. Every issue that takes place in rural areas is multiplied by 1000 in urban areas. Hence WHEN THE MAJORITY SUCCEEDS, so does the minority.

    • @dancahill9585
      @dancahill9585 Год назад

      @@imperialmotoring3789 You're the one who clearly doesn't know shit about the electoral college. For instance, a shithole rural state like Wyoming has under 600K people and 3 electoral votes, so thats around 200K people per electoral vote. California on the other hand has 39 million people and 55 electoral votes. So that's over 700K people per electoral vote.
      So while uneducated people like yourself are woefully ignorant of how the electoral system works, it's pretty clear to people with working brains who understand the system works know that the electoral college grossly overrepresents the rural vote. Under the principle of one man, one vote, California should have about 3.5 times as many votes to have the same electoral representation as Wyoming.

    • @imperialmotoring3789
      @imperialmotoring3789 Год назад

      @@THATBOISHAD The electoral college makes it so none of us are irrelevant. You accidentally made sense and said something correct!
      The USA is a Constitutional Republic, not a tyranny of the majority democracy.
      I live in Chicago by the way, where the electoral college makes me succeed as a minority here in Chicago, when I am drowning in a majority of democrats.
      I'm sure rural areas do not have the crime and influx of illegals like I do here.

    • @James-hd4ms
      @James-hd4ms Год назад +3

      Rurals are vastly over represented in the senate.

  • @GrootsieTheDog
    @GrootsieTheDog Год назад +4

    SOFTBALL interview. She got a pretty nice 60,000 loan for her biz. And after she ran a campaign on paying your fair share of taxes, she failed to pay 6000.00 in back taxes. She also couldn't vote qgainst Santos' expulsion. And she thinks asssult weapons are A OK. "discrete set of people" ??? So should we call people who use tractors and throw saws a descrete set of people?

    • @jenniferziegenfuss3719
      @jenniferziegenfuss3719 Год назад

      Absoutely. Yeah, it's TOTALLY a softball interview. What you brought up should be brought up EVERY time someone interviews her. She's a cheat and a liar....a Democrat in name only....and only there in office to help herself and not her district. If she really was, she would be for the $20k forgiveness for borrowers who make at most $75k/year. Ya know....average working folk she says she holds so dear.
      She's straight up a con artist sweet talking like Sinema. Watch her get on board with hedge funders in the next year.

  • @adamswift1107
    @adamswift1107 Год назад +4

    Good episode but the harping on student loan forgiveness is a bit much. Not everyone needs to go to college but it shouldn't be for moneyed elites only. As we pulled back on investment in higher education (for decades) people too on more debt. Also, Perez has gotten very close with the Chamber of Commerce, which is a bigger demerit than anything re student loans or rural communities. She also voted for the GOP's anti abortion anti LGBTQ defense bill which was....pulls down glasses...indefensible.

  • @Krpfan
    @Krpfan Год назад +2

    Excellent conversation.

  • @JAGRAFX
    @JAGRAFX Год назад +2

    Good morning all from Spring Valley, California.

  • @rikcoach1
    @rikcoach1 Год назад +1

    My cousins dog’s name was Larry when he lived on Skamania Landing in Skamania. We called him Lawrence of Skamania

    • @rikcoach1
      @rikcoach1 Год назад

      My guess is most of the audience here is too young to know about the movie Lawrence of Arabia. Wasted joke on youth

  • @moeytoo
    @moeytoo Год назад +2

    Tim, I loved your question about who she admires or maybe tries to model herself after.

  • @johnbrandimore9011
    @johnbrandimore9011 Год назад +4

    So the way to reach rural people is to promise that the government will help them. BUT MAINLY that you will cut off urban poor people from help. Got it. Why don't us urban folk reach out to them more?

    • @ggss5717
      @ggss5717 Год назад

      You're right. But look at this way. Biden only won by 45k votes. These elections are extremely tight. Every percentage helps. Can Dems win back rural america? No. Can we win over a few of them? Yes. And that's what we need to prevent fascism.

    • @theaxe6198
      @theaxe6198 Год назад

      Where did that come from?

  • @kurt1618
    @kurt1618 Год назад +1

    Thanks, Tim, great guest

  • @LisaPhillips4494
    @LisaPhillips4494 Год назад +2

    GREAT SHOW GUYS/GALS❤🎉❤🎉

  • @gerishufelberger2897
    @gerishufelberger2897 Год назад +1

    Really enjoyed this podcast. The congresswoman was extremely interesting and enlightening. Please have more young democrats like her.

  • @Buasop
    @Buasop Год назад +5

    Can rural voters not be cultist traitors?

  • @KathyDennis-fy3bg
    @KathyDennis-fy3bg Год назад +2

    Great interview!

  • @James-hd4ms
    @James-hd4ms Год назад +5

    There are no good reasons to log old growth forests. Spotted owls endangered species protection was a means to saving the small percentage of remaining intact forests.

    • @danielbackley9301
      @danielbackley9301 Год назад +1

      Actually other than for the Sequoias you would be wrong as the old growth trees for the most part have stopped growing which means they have stopped taking in the carbon dioxide and other forms of pollution that we need trees to help control. Also the absence of logging mean the absence of repropagation of the forest as well as an increased likely hood of out of control wildfire. Old growth trees if not cut merely stand till they die rot and fall down.

    • @James-hd4ms
      @James-hd4ms Год назад

      @@danielbackley9301 bullshit

  • @theaxe6198
    @theaxe6198 Год назад +4

    I agree with Rep Perez that we need to have more diversity in DC, including in educational backgrounds and experiences. I’ve met plenty of very intelligent people who never went to college

  • @matsal3211
    @matsal3211 Год назад +2

    can you guys please do republicans??? can you interview Larry lazor he was an amazinf moderate-liberal republican in CT

  • @Sharonjones1981-yx
    @Sharonjones1981-yx Год назад +2

    She sounds just like sinema also

    • @thfpnw7103
      @thfpnw7103 Год назад +3

      I disagree. Sinema is friends with hedge fund folks and Marie bends towards small business owners and workaday folks. Also, Marie has much more rural and right-winged voters than statewide Arizona. Agree with her or not, Marie is the most the Dems can get for WA-03.

  • @mmanesh6713
    @mmanesh6713 Год назад

    Good call on changing the tile of the clip!

  • @Sharonjones1981-yx
    @Sharonjones1981-yx Год назад +1

    By Pardison is not going to college. What are you talking about?

  • @MTMyTails
    @MTMyTails Год назад +1

    I don't think Tim has a clue what a Gambler 500 is...

  • @rikcoach1
    @rikcoach1 Год назад

    Journalism has the same Ivy League college problem

  • @TerryMcKennaFineArt
    @TerryMcKennaFineArt Год назад +2

    Great interview. She is no Kristen Sinema. I may disagree but she really is a worth encouraging so that Dems can find a way to open up rural America to Democrats.

  • @Sharonjones1981-yx
    @Sharonjones1981-yx Год назад +1

    She will switch parties I see

  • @StonedIn0z
    @StonedIn0z Год назад

    Come on Tim i have never held a license or owned a car and i can do both those things, got to have some car skills in this world....

  • @waspwrap1235
    @waspwrap1235 4 месяца назад +1

    0:56 tf???

  • @susanmiller3633
    @susanmiller3633 Год назад

    Wow

  • @JAGRAFX
    @JAGRAFX Год назад

    From those intelligent voters who generated "The Spotted Owl Fiasco" as a serious political issue many years ago.

    • @joeshoe6184
      @joeshoe6184 Год назад

      You know it's corporate greed that destroyed the logging and by extension the salmon industries in the Northwest right? Raw log exports to Asia cost the logging industry waaaaaaay more jobs than the spotted owl.
      Look up the MAXXAM and it's hostile takeover of Pacific Lumber if you want to educate yourself.

  • @gregjankowski2115
    @gregjankowski2115 Год назад +1

    She is a real normal person which is great!

  • @Reldas
    @Reldas Год назад +1

    I'm in love 2 minutes in lol. 😍🏳️‍🌈

  • @imperialmotoring3789
    @imperialmotoring3789 Год назад +2

    I do not like that the people on this video clip did not announce their pronouns.

  • @wendylafolle
    @wendylafolle Год назад +6

    She's great! Thanks, Tim. I really appreciate what you do.