What the Democratic Party Gets Wrong About Trump Voters
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2024
- We sat down with three of the five Democrats in Congress who won elections in Trump districts: Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (WA-3), Mary Peltola (AK), and Jared Golden (ME-2).
They told us what the Democratic party can learn from their victories: “I think we're not winning because we don't respect working people.”
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Does Golden not realize that kids from higher income and affluent families don't have to take out student loans? The lower income students and families are the ones who need the student debt relief the most. They've been lied to about how a college degree will get them a higher paying job.
Just considering the way Golden approached the question, maybethere was some doubt that relieving the people with the lowest debt was more likely going to reward more affluent loan holders, and not lower income students who probably have higher levels of college loan debt than 20k or less. I'm not agreeing with him, just considering that may be the perspective.
Not talking about X doesn't imply not being aware of X.
A college degree will get you a better job with benefits, especially if you're a woman. I'm a perfect example of that. Guys are encouraged to take jobs that chew them up and spit them out. Many of those type jobs don't even offer heath benefits.
It's true that you don't automatically get a better job, but in general, you do.
The right degree and an appropriate level of that type of degree will bring a higher income, often with benefits. For instance, a philosophy degree will likely not accomplish that, but a psychology degree at a master or doctorate level likely will. Similarly, a bachelor degree in nursing would provide a good income, though a masters would raise it.
How Democrat's can win.
How about not being Republican lite.
Represent the people not the Donor's.
The people do not want open borders. Allow states and localities to be able to deny residency to new comers.
Fr they are just republicans from 1996. They aren't actual democrat. They just put the hat on.
Bring back child labor to fill the job vacancies that the immigrants were taking.
Meat plants
Picking vegetables
Fast food restuants.
Janitorial work.
Sounds like Republican winning message!
@@nomogopnomogop2875All the jobs you just listed were done by Americans before chopped the wages in half. Open borders is a policy because the wealthy don't like to pay decent wages. By keeping those wages low, all workers earn less.
@@Steve-Richter NO ONE IS ADVOCATING FOR OPEN BORDERS despite us needing immigrants. You do know what will happen if they loosen child labor laws? - YOUR KIDS WORK INSTEAD OF SCHOOL AND YOU ADULTS ARE FIRED because kids get paid LESS and NO BENEFITS. STOP BEING IGNORANT OF OUR HISTORY.
I ran for a local office as a Democrat in WA in 2020. My experience was the exact same as Rep. Golden at 14:09. When I started, the very first thing they asked me to was around contacts and raising money. They set a plan for how much money I have to raise each week. No discussion about actually connecting with voters at first. It was really disheartening.
Should've run as Republican. At least you could've gotten a bigger piece of the pie!
Do you and Rep Golden think the Democratic Party pockets your fund raising? We know, generally, how much it takes to win a race unless you’re an absolutely extraordinary candidate or in an extraordinary situation.
It's just ridiculous. Thank you for sharing your story
The worst thing to happen to the Democrats was the Clintons
What folks hardly discuss with student loan forgiveness are the people who were first gen college students who had to drop out and are now burdened with debt and no degree. Many of the students who attend for profit colleges are from poorer backgrounds.
They don't care, these are fake progressives but are as much neoliberal as Pelosi and Biden.
Also, there was already restrictions and focus on who would get loan forgiveness based on income, and it was only under a certain amount that was forgiven (you were not getting your 100k+ loans forgiven).
I disagree with student loan forgiveness. I grew up poor, but refused to take out a loan to cover where Pell Grants didn't cover. I still didn't get my degree but I took classes that benefit my career. Everyone should pay what they owe. I am not obligated to pay their loans off.
Listen to Davos and hear Steve Schwarzman Blackstone he is buying up student loans to make a big profit on the misery of our people and now you knowwhy the politicans refuse to cancel and forgive them as they did for PPP government loans because Oligarchs need to hurt others for profit and the politicians are owned by them.
@@enigma___ The purpose is to not continue the suffering and increase the level of education of the public. These institutions shouldn't be operated on a for-profit motive anyway and the corporations that offer loans are predatory. Not every job path needs just a few classes in order to attain employment. There are some that absolutely need at least a bachelor's or even a master's. What do you do in those cases? A Pell Grant alone won't cover the costs, especially without the changes I mentioned above.
I like that it was brought up that child care and elder care should be an allowable campaign expense. It does point out that a working-class person could easily have those as a barrier to running.
Politics is all about sincerity. Once you learn to fake that, you’re on your way!
I'm sorry this comment is gold
Funny thing is, it's actually impossible to fake. All you can do is hide the insincerity behind a mask. It's possible to spot it but apparently hard for most.
@@OgdenM I think you are giving people too much credit. Many don't even think to check. A lot of times right-wingers a few steps into a conversation will tell you they don't trust either side (and they think this is an olive branch). They don't care if their people are trustworthy.
@@BunniRabbiThat's not a right winger. That's a centrist. Unless they are really right wing, but still hate both sides and want something better.
@itsover9008 If your definition for a right-winger would seem to preclude nearly all right-wingers, you are too far to the right.
Acknowledging emotions is true of many arguments. If someone is acting irrationally, you can’t expect rationality to work because that’s not the root cause of their issue in the first place.
There was a "political experts react" video where one of the liberals in the pod save america umbrella said something about inflation being down, and it was the most out of touch nonsense. Because they were talking economics, percentages. Nobody cares. I want my grocery prices to come back down. Much of them literally increased by 75% or more.
8% inflation going down to 3% does not FEEL good if my TV dinners still cost $5.50 instead of their former $3.00. (tv dinners and tater tots sustain me lol)
The catch-22 of this, is that it incentivizes people to continue acting emotionally as they expect you to keep catering to them. Also, sometimes emotions are just wrong
@@reed6514You don't seem to realize that the main reason for the rise in food prices are monopolies and price gouging. You claiming is because of liberals just shows how dishonest you are. How is it because of liberals?
@@numinous123 i didn't say it was because of liberals. I said that liberal talking heads are out of touch and that regular people like myself don't care what they're saying about inflation percentages. I care about the price of my groceries.
Though, since you mention it, the Democrats have not legislatively prevented or fixed monopolization or price gouging, so they do take some blame.
Emotions are human, @@justr6982. We are not Vulcans. Maybe we could be real about emotions, not have a 0 tolerance policy on feels. People who are told they are individuals, special and sovereign, need to be catered to. That's an over inflated sense of importance, not emotions in general
This is such a brilliant conversation. If possible, please have more of these "small/local politician" conversations. Real people on the ground that havent been gobbled up by the swamp and corrupted. Brilliant work!
Must say listening to these 3 was enjoyable no matter what side the fence you are on
They do hit the nail in the head that the arrogance of the democratic party is a big liability.
Case in point, the way the media and people close to the party voter shamed people when they didn’t turn out for Hilary.
I am in sales and if the customer buys from someone else or is leaning for a competitor, the worst thing you can do insult them.
Exactly. The DNC acted like anyone that had questions or reservations about Hilary was a stupid, dare I say it, deplorable🤣🤣. My GF and I were watching the debate where she called anyone not "with" her a deplorable. We just looked at each other and said almost at the same time, "she just lost the election". Coming off as arrogant and entitled really doesn't make people live you. The democrats started this with Obama. If you asked any questions about his policies you were a racist. What the heck? And they still haven't learned. I'm voting for, and volunteering for RFK Jr. Biden is an ok president, but he is too old, simple as that. I believe RFK Jr will push the policies for us blue collar workers that the democrats abandoned.
What you're saying is true, but are they oblivious to the 4 years we had of the Insulter-in-Chief. Honestly, Republican politicians have just become hypocrites.
Shocker ppl don't like to be insulted for who they vote for. Who would have thought it
@@B_Bodziak Trump was a clown no doubt. The argument can go both ways, if you have to rely on voter shaming, you lost.
@@jamiepaulzine6725 Should be common sense.
Bottom-up democracy, for both government and businesses, will truly reflect the will of the people.
At least/at minimum businesses, as in businesses to or into co-ops.
What Media gets wrong about The Narrative™. The Left has to understand the middle. Liberals need to understand Trump voters. Notice how the folks to the right don't have to reciprocate. No one to the right of you is expected to reach out and listen to you. Liberals don't need to respect progressives. Trump voters don't need to respect liberals. The further right on the political spectrum you are, the more the media expects everyone else to cater to you. Why is that..?
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Full disclosure; I *suck* at meeting people where they are. I'm glad other people can do that. Maybe if we didn't spend 3/4 of a trillion dollars being the world police, then we could afford nice things. I hand out my opinion about where we should be going. Folks can meet me when they are ready to catch up. I have to ask, just how much respect do people need? Personally, I'm not that special, a neutral amount will do. It is so easy to control an individual, especially if they need to be catered to, courted, their vote a prize to be won. I don't need my rep to talk to me personally. Solidarity is an easy word to say but a more difficult thing to do. Be nice if it wasn't "all about me". Be nice if we prized cooperation. Be nice if we stopped waiting for someone to rescue us, and didn't expect markets to solve our problems. Sadly, we're each chasing paper, making profits, and our communities suffer. However, in my not so humble opinion, work is nothing special. We should not be racing each other to the bottom so we can brag about how long, hard, and often our ass can take a pounding. To paraphrase Bill Clinton, "It's the Oligarchy, Stupid!" Our priorities should be cooperation, community, and caring for each other. Cash and capitalism can be secondary. No one is coming to save us. We're going to have to do it ourselves
I feel the same way. In fact, I think catering to Trumpers only empowers them. They are delusional, selfish, intellectually lazy, immature babies who will settle for nothing less than getting their way. You have to stand up to these kinds of bullies, not cater to them.
Damn Straight!
"The Left has to understand the Middle." 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I stopped reading right there. The Dems ARE the middle, actually they skew center right. Even Bernie Sanders is only CENTER in the real world (ie the world that isn't brainwashed into believing that US politics are the be all, end all when it comes to the political-economic spectrum). I'm laughing to stop from crying because I am so d*mn tired of being told that two parties that are barely different aside from identity politics issues are just SOOOOOOOOOO different types a real choice. Biden's foreign policy is getting closer and closer to Bush's, Dems in the house just overwhelmingly voted for tax cuts for businesses, but, yeah, sure, they are "left" because they want gay people to be able to exist in peace and abortion to be legal, yeah, sure. 🙄
I get that a lot, @@TheBLGL, folks assume they know what I'm talking about, don't understand completely, then conclude I'm wrong. Of course the Dems are center right and Bernie is barely left. However, I'm talking about the narrative in the US media, not reality. When I say, "The Left has to understand the middle" I mean dems *are* the middle, of the USA, not the world. White leftists always want to make politics global, but all the elections are not global. There are no internationals in the USA. Great job invoking the circular firing squad because your identity is the default in your world. Why do I never hear whining about identity politics from anyone not straight and white..?
Well said.
Suggested Democratic formula: Bread and butter issues, Unions, homes, health. A sense that someone is watching out for them. Skip the grandstanding and "dog whistle" issues and things that are too esoteric that have no major effect on day to day life.
the problem is, a lot of those "estoeric issues" have a very tangible effect on your day-to-day life.
@@donalny precisely. But the world is complex so people love simple answers
Quality of Life issues mean different things to different people. Republicans prey on voter fears.
@@donalny You can still break down those issues into biscuits and gravy language. You can teach math with crayons and someone who doesn't like math may learn more that way. (I'm the dumb at math, crayon kid)
Are you including queer rights as too esoteric to effect daily life? Or are you saying something else. Because if you mean ditch minorities then they can ditch my vote too lmao. If there's another interpretation I'm missing then I'd love to hear your perspective though!!! I'm just a little confused by what you're trying to say
I loved this discussion. It hit all the right points. Unfortunately, when I am with a Trump supporter, they do not want to discuss things. They say they want to agree to disagree. Even though, I don't have any idea what we are disagreeing about.
Those Trump supporters do not want to have their ideas challenged or examined, but that’s what needed to unite us
Speak for yourself. I am a Trump supporter & not only do I like to discuss other party's viewpoints & ideas, but the majority of Trump supporters I know & listen to on podcasts chomp at the bit for discussion.
@@mattylolajohnson5 Exactly. Tucker Carlson had an excellent show on Fox that welcomed the chance to hear from democrats. But democrat policy makers avoided the show and the activist courts reached judgements which cause Tucker to be taken off the air.
@@mattylolajohnson5 I was speaking for myself. As former military, Alaskan, and poll worker, I wish I could understand what their perception is. My brother blasted me two days after the 2020 election and went on for 20 minutes about how it was stolen and how his side wouldn't riot like my side did. I am seriously concerned about my brother's health and have to censor my vocabulary for fear of setting him off. Many people assume I am a registered Democrat, but there is no (D) by my name. I miss good old-fashioned discussion/debate. I am getting tired of getting yelled at by Trump supporters for existing.
@@Steve-Richter I heard that some people decided it wasn't worth going on FOX (well before Trump) because guests were given strict guidelines they had to stay within. I remember one person saying, his whole viewpoint was outside the guidelines, so what was the point of appearing? For me, I couldn't understand why all the hosts were so angry, as far back as 2008.
It's frustrating for me having spent going on a decade to finish my degree without the supports that a lot of my peers had, while working and struggling as a working class person, only to not receive that kind of empathy from either side. I don't get student loan relief and I don't get PPP "loans". It feels like anytime this conversation happens, it only revolves around the ones who made it through comfortably and easily, and never around the people that "bargain" didn't work out for.
You should be proud of yourself for your accomplishment and what you achieved. Others didn't see that path or thought since the loans were being pushed, it was their path, idk. Its unfortunate for all that our colleges and universities are not affordable for anyone interested in going. IMO, it's primarily due to capitalism gone too far to make money off of people seeking to improve their lives.
@@BearKat9 I appreciate that.
Right now, I haven't accomplished much. I'm almost 30, with a lot of debt and I'm 40 credits away from a degree I'm not sure I'll be able to afford to finish, but I just try to deal with what's in front of me first.
I just wish when people talk about people who go to college, it isn't only about the people making six figures at 23. There's a whole segment of the population who weren't "defrauded" in the terms of the Biden administration's debt relief, but still have to navigate a secondary education system that isn't designed for them to succeed in so many ways.
Not only do I think those people deserve some amount of empathy, it's also important to consider that while more people in the trades is valuable, we do still need more engineers, more doctors, more chemists, more physicists, more critical thinkers going into the next century to remain competitive.
We need everyone to have what they need to get a decent job. Took me 23 years to get my BS degree. I do not regret the effort and money it took. I believe we should support student loan relief. I worked in construction and later in government meeting intelligent, caring people of all types. Labor deserves respect and supportive representation to make America strong. Anti trust legislation would help.
This is amazing and feels like a fantastic insight into politics and the issues we all face to enjoy a fulfilling society for us all.
Two of the three ran in districts with Ranked Choice Voting. Both parties hate this method because it helps to get moderate people elected without regard to wealth and the palms it will grease.
I love that Mary, Marie, and Jared still see the humanity in the people around them. Despite the party politics that has been ingrained in our system. ^.^
"They told us what the Democratic Party can learn from their victories-when asked to comment, Democratic Party leadership responded, 'ew no lmao'"
I like this interviewer, they actually let the interviewed speak and finish making their point before moving on.
It's a shame the student loan issue was met with such misunderstanding in this interview. We need to cancel all student loans.
but if you cancel student loans what to do for those who responsibly paid back their loans? You have to pay those good people for their on time loan payments.
Absolutely not forgiven! I paid mine off at hardship. And think of it this way? People that had no opportunity at higher education and work factory or food service are enraged that their taxes are taken to pay other people's bills. I would be fine with interest free loans as long as a person pays a percentage of their income, 10-15% perhaps? And hey while we are at it. How about we fix higher education so that this doesn't happen again.
For the people who've paid their loans and want other people to pay theirs, why?
What you went through was terrible and completely unnecessary. Your education shouldn't cost you what it did. But why would you want someone else to go through that? Did it being the victim of someone else's greed make you a better person?
@@Steve-RichterI've been poorer than most, and I still paid mine off. There is nothing wrong with giving people money to get educated, it's what makes the world better, and it's what our grandparents had
I understand that student loans suck for a lot of people, but student loans are mostly owned by high-earning individuals (individuals who make more than 50k). most analysis shows that student loan forgiveness would be the most regressive form of welfare that the united state has ever instituted because most of it goes to the top 60% of earners.
I understand that everyone feels pinched, and student loans do suck. but giving money to the top just doesn't make any sense.
As an Alaskan constituent of Mary Peltola, who voted for her, we DEMAND that she call for a ceasefire! She also voted for the Willow Project, a MASSIVE oil project that the indigenous people of Nuiqsut BEGGED her not to support. She is a liberal in progressive clothing, she has disappointed many of us up here. We need to hold her, and the rest of them accountable!
Mary Peltola is a progressive just cause they don’t stick to all progressive policies doesn’t stop making them one.
Given Alaskas modern history she is a progressive (progressive doesn’t mean democratic socialist either)
Maybe you’re just wrong on those issues
@rabidgoon maybe they're just correct on those issues
@rabidgoon
Historically most people are wrong on the issues in their moment, and the minority is correct. So people diaagreeing with you broadly or politicians not agreeing with your position, is not a good metric for right or wrong
If you are talking about the ceasefire with Gaza, that may not be possible. A ceasefire requires both sides to be held to account. Neither Hamas nor Gaza are recognized as "countries", and cannot be held accountable. Netenyahu isn't as sophisticated as those who were in charge during/after the 1972 Olympic kidnappings. They got rid of the offending parties quietly. His method is barbaric and inhumane. As far as the oil project, hopefully she voted on it because it is difficult to access. I remember an oil lease that ran out because, even though they figured out where the oil was, there wasn't a US ship big enough to transport the drill that was needed to access it.
If we had more representatives like these, polarization would disappear quickly.
These representatives are rare and their wins are rare too. 45% of the people in Mary's district thought Sarah Palin was a better choice.
@blasphimus agreed. As they explain, I think the lack of support by the party establishment is the main obstacle. Politics are too driven by money, especially since the Citizens United ruling.
These sort of political approaches are great - it would certainly be helpful if Democrats actually acknowledged and addressed the frustration of those being drawn to the Republican party. It is pretty obvious that their strategy this year will be to pound abortion rights into the ground as it seems to be a winning but still polarizing position when they should also be aggressively addressing many other important bread and butter issues exactly as your panel suggests.
BOTH parties seem to have lost whatever integrity they might once have had, playing to polls, pimping for campaign funding....... they have been around so long, both parties are corrupt at their core. We desperately need new blood in both parties (or easier access for 3rd and 4th parties), it is very telling that the Democrat and Republican party leaders are offering us 2 old white men, both well beyond their prime.
We already have, and better ones, like AOC and Cori Bush etc, who are indeed for the working class, but they dont have the money to get their message and name out there, corporate capture of elections is the biggest problem for actual peoples candidates to win, if you have not super PAC with corporations flooding your campaing with money, you are basically invisible to the electorate, and that is deliberate.
You mean, white appeasing representatives ? Pretty easy for most trump supporters to listen to you if you look like them and don’t challenge their prejudices
Keep in mind that our corporate media, for whatever reason, is not into reporting Biden’s many successes.
Why do people want cheap goods? Maybe because their wages haven't kept up???
Exactly! I care about knowing my food is safe and pure, but increasingly that just means growing more and more stuff myself.
What Rep Golden was saying about food labels is extremely accurate.
80% of politics is about money. In over 4 decades manufacfuring has been exported to the world's cheapest sources of production together with the capital, investment and technology. Corporate money has corrupted politics.
Why is it that only people in finance, "consulting" and fund raising get to live comfortably. What do they produce? Its ridiculous just how much cache are given to these individuals.
Nothing. They don't produce anything. Besides corruption, what keeps a carpenter or engineer from running is funding, willingness to speak up, and education. Have you met the average blue collar worker?
To be fair, I've never met a consultant who isn't struggling either 😂
The fact is they produce what all business needs and that is access to capital and ideas to be profitable. Unprofitable business fail short and simple. A carpentor frames a house because the builder has a contract with a buyer who has money from financiers. Those financiers are a business just like every other in the chain. Also the idea that all others dont live comfortably is absurd.
I like that the interviewer pushed them on student loans
So, how does turning the country into a dictatorship and clown show solve their problems?
It doesn’t. But “it owns the libs”
It makes them feel more "in control" 🙃
Vote all dems out
This should really be the whole conversation. So many of my friends don't even vote because they don't believe it's possible for an elected official to actually represent their interests. I hope these folks are able to continue to remind themselves about the writing class struggle and where they came from and hopefully push for a more perfect union for all of us.
Thank you for posting this. I will support whoever is more effective in helping everyone have all the resources they need to thrive, starting with the most vulnerable.
"I think we can't win because we don't respect working people." - This is definitely a big part of it. Many if not most in the rural south don't feel respected at all by the democratic party. Many feel straight up ignored while suffering significant poverty that would require leaving their homes, their families, to even have a chance of fixing.
I agree. It’s sad tho that the majority of states where people feel ignored and left behind are run by the Republican Party. They literally refuse federal money that could help the citizens in their states afford healthcare, improve schools, set up job training, assist with day care costs, etc.
It’s like folks don’t understand how badly they’re being lied to by the very people they voted for (if they voted at all).
It all starts locally.
The working poor vote against their own best interests. Keep electing the same, do-nothing Republicans and expect relief that never comes.
The first thing that you do is be honest then do the right things that benefit all the people then work to get it done
Why is it never “what the right needs to learn”.
Do we not know enough about these people already?
If you think that you are in a bubble. There are a lot of dumb people on both sides and those voices are the loudest. "An empty vessel sounds much."
Traitor vs not a traitor
social security vs no social security
Woman's rights vs no right to choose
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Again that’s what Democrats say but when it comes to action not much different
I’m by no means a republican but don’t you remember Obamas 08 campaign hope and change nothing really did change once he won
@@robbyrodriguez7099 That's not so. The economy was in FREEFALL FCS !!! WHY DON'T YOU REMEMBER THAT !!!
@@robbyrodriguez7099 Sorry robby but you're uninformed the repubs haven't accomplished anything and if you look it up on x social security works / they are currently as in today trying to make cuts to social security look it up as indicated again on social security works
@@robbyrodriguez7099 Just today the gop is trying to make cuts to S.S. today
The number of jobs in America that do not require a university degree are shrinking whilst the cost of degrees goes up and the return on that investment goes down. But tell us Mr. Golden, how it is the students fault...
No, Ms Perez, people don't sign up for student debt willingly. More and more they have to get ANY job. And they are sold a bill of goods by the very universities they are getting in debt to.
And comparing level of wealth is inaccurate as well. For one, when we are talking about retired people, we are talking about people who went to uni when it was much cheaper, got jobs when they paid better, and a significant percentage of the people you are comparing have generational wealth. When that is solved for in today's world, it is a different story
Trump supporters want to feel heard ad feel left out. Part of that feeling is directed negatively towards marginalized people who are getting heard a little bit more after decades or centuries of being treated poorly.
How do these three deal with that, I wonder
Anti-trust is a huge issue. Since Reagan was in office, everything has consolidated over and over. The lack of competition has created higher prices!!
How to explain Amazon? Very low prices, super quick delivery - yet they are the only company providing that service.
And lower wages. As for Amazon, are you kidding me. Once they have put any competition out of business on a product they stop undercutting and then you find out what monopoly means.
@@Steve-Richter Amazon has long had a policy where anyone who sells a product on their store is not allowed to sell the same product anywhere else for less than the price on Amazon or they get banned from selling on the platform. Think about it for a minute and you might realize why that's incredibly anti-competitive. It means buyers will notice that anything available on Amazon will always be the best price there, so they stop bothering to shop anywhere else, and eventually all the other storefronts go out of business. Amazon operated at a loss for years at a time because their goal was to dominate the market through unfair practices so they could eat everyone's wallets later.
@@Onihikage The reality is that in an economy with weak antitrust enforcement this is exactly the "correct" approach, and if amazon didn't do it someone else would have. Unfortunately, I hear very little talk on fixing this issue, albeit the little talk there is comes more from the dem side.
AMAZING. High intelligence. Winners. Authentic. Love this. Thank you. What we need more of!!
We need 3 basic things affordable housing food health insurance
Housing, food, healthcare, jobs, and access to education.
Yes and I did forget that education so important and not to put you in the poor house
@ninga1154 like housing, healthcare, and food costs, out-of-control education costs have not-so-logical reasons for becoming so expensive.
We need people to be able to afford to get through medical school without drowning in debt if they don't end up working in the highest-paid medical fields. That's just one example of an essential field that does require extensive higher education.
Or did you want your doctors to go back to literally draining your blood to treat a head cold like they did back in the day before figured out that tiny living organisms we now call viruses were the culprit?
@@aperocknroll88 why do you list jobs in that? its just a means to get the other items in that list - the point is that the others are needed... jobs are just one way to get them - and honestly... they should not be required for baseline survival
if society does not have enough work to keep everyone employed... why should the people who dont get work be shorted on survival needs?
@SharienGaming because, for most people, having a job, even one or two days a week is helpful in combating things like feeling isolated or low self-worth. Most people want to do something productive. The amount of time may vary from person to person and you can't deny the fact that companies are throwing "Now Hiring" signs and not doing much hiring at all meanwhile higher-ups are complaining that no one wants to work when the opposite is true. A lot of jobs have also become automated or outsourced to whatever place will allow lower pay.
Been hearing a lot about ppl angry that forgivable student loans are somehow not fair - wah wah wah - its like I walked ten miles to school in the snow ...uphill
And barefoot.
Consider that both parties have steadily shifted to the right over time.
They say they wanna help their generation but vote against it. No wins allowed.
I live in Washington's 3rd district, and I voted for our current representative soely to oust the republican incumbent who never did anything that seemed to benefit me or my belief, so far up to this point, this is the most that I've heard from or about my current representative.
Problem with voting just to get rid of Red is that you just got the same thing but with a different hat on but you can say you voted Democrat. She's not, though. She got that sinemaitis.
And you won't until she starts dialing for dollars and brings a pile of "donations" into The Party.
Government through bribery is not a good system.
I wish NC had these 3 fair, open-minded representatives. NC is gerrymandered by a super majority legislature. The legislature think they had the right to gerrymander the state. Thus, I feel disenfranchised.
Y'all voted for it. Since 2008 N.Carolina has drifted right. No excuses
@stevenhenry5267 I didn't vote Republican & there are many Democrats in NC. NC is a purple state.
@@Missy-Missy1111 till Dems don't start winning statewide races in north Carolina to win back the supreme court Majority, nothing will change
@@stevenhenry5267 Bullshit! I didn't vote for any of that, voted for quite the opposite in fact. So did a large portion of the people. The gerrymandering is out of control, has been for a long time. Left leaning candidates can win the popular vote here, but still lose the election die to the way the districts are set up.
@malik250988 unfortunately true, but it's an uphill battle against gerrymandering.
I loved listening to this chat. Such good ideas and genuine discussion :)
Frankly liberals are concerned about the political question, while workers are worried about the social question. So many liberals don't understand that the things most important to them aren't the most important things to the working class, who want to know they can have shelter, have food on the table, have security.
If corporations would be kicked out of having any contact with government, government would function fine.
Have you tried vetting that opinion at all?
@@BunniRabbi It could not be any worse than what we have now!
@@murraymadness4674 I guess that's a no, because obviously it could be.
Take the corporations out of government and your cellphone stops working. Your fire department shuts down. Your kids don't get school lunch. Your ambulances shut down. Your roads stop getting paved. Your tax returns don't disburse. You really have to have no idea at all about how these systems work if you think you could take corporations out of government. Really, your complaint isn't even the one you're voicing.
@@BunniRabbi Have you tried considering that capitalism and democracy are antithetical to each other?
@@redsilversnake Yes, for 9 weeks, as part of an exploratory council. We found the claim to be vacuous. It felt like spending a lot of time verifying the obvious.
This video should be seen by every working republican voter.
Just watched still don't trust them but aren't as insane as the rest of the dem party but that's the nicest I'll be
Rep Perez voted against student loan forgiveness; not pro worker
The President should not be allowed to ignore the law and grant financial relief to favored voting blocks.
I paid my loan off by working a PT job for 5 years. But I'm a white straight male so I'm evil and don't count right?
Ridiculous nonsense.
Good for her. Loan forgiveness for college-educated professionals making way above the median while working class get nothing is ridiculous and locks more blue collar folks out of the housing market. College-educated people make more money, have more savings, live longer, etc; the one advantage folks without a degree have is that we have less debt.
So you think that forcing blue collar truck drivers, janitors, and other "non educated" people to pay for the college tuition/room and board of English majors, and Art history majors is being "pro worker"??? Maybe you should reevaluate your definition of "worker."
I constantly mistake them for misinformed. They’re not. They’re willfully ignorant and proud of it.
Differently informed and pushing back.
Both sides are very ignorant. What blows my
Mind is that both sides are a bunch of sheep and fall right into the govt trap 100%. They want us both fighting with eachother. Stop and pay atention to everything. Look at it all objectively. Everything has to do with divide and conquer.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Angry trolls looking for an easy excuse scapegoat for their own failures.
Willfully idiots and proud of it
"Democrats argue facts" Lmao, all they argue is feelings.
Exactly it's all feelings for them
Are you kidding all MAGA does is cry about culture issues.
Democrats must actually listen to their voters and potential voters. Then, they must act on solutions that affect their voters' challenges.
Overturn Citizens United.
I wish once--JUST ONCE--the MAGA crowd/the right would go to the effort to reach out and understand US *in good faith*.
Understand what? How do you explain the democrat open borders policy? What about the refusal to prosecute shop lifting - which has cause countless retail stores to shutdown in Black communities.
@@Steve-RichterThank you for saying that. We have a sitting POTUS that's been commiting treason for nearly 4 years w/ just the border invasion alone, per our U.S. Constitution. Yet, he still continues to do so without ANY legal charges made against him. We had 8 months of the summer of love (aka George Floyd riots) wherein a plethora of local supermarkets & stores were looted, damaged & burned down so the black residents no longer can get their groceries anymore unless they have a car & gas to get to the next town's stores. You also had 25 people killed within that period from Antifa & BLM criminals. If anyone was arrested, the Democrats raised money for their bail & let loose to do more damage & loss of life. The damage amount was historical per property insurance companies.
@@mattylolajohnson5 Exactly. Antifa was a terrible force in the country during the Trump years. Many deadly riots. Then Biden takes office and Antifa is never heard from again. Kind of like the democrat party sponsored them, told Antifa to riot, then told them to stand down.
@@mattylolajohnson5if the republicans wanted the border shut why didn't they vote yes to fund the extra border patrol agents that Biden wanted? Or even better, how about we arrest and prosecute the owners if the businesses that hire illegal workers? Your echo chamber is lying to you
@@Steve-Richteryou're a great example of the MAGA mindset. You come in with the assumption there us nothing you can understand from us that would make sense.
Thanks for proving the point
This was amazing video! Gives me hope for the next generation we all can see what money in politics has done to this country. Time for a huge change!
Hear what he said? He is for workers, not consumers or shareholders.
Speaking for MGP- and lord I'm so happy she won; You're giving way too much credit to "wow we really appealed to the blue collar center left" jargon and not enough responsibility to "she thrives in a very blue state with reasonable republicans(lol) that would never vote for trump and are alienated by their party"
The west side is blue, the east side is deep, deep red. I live in a county where 68% of the 2020 vote went to Trump (I’m not one of them.) The neighboring counties were over 80%. And it will likely be higher this year. Everyone I work with is Republican and very few are reasonable when it comes to politics. Most of them would vote for Joe Kent over MGP any day of the week.
This is true and it is also true that Joe Kent was a just god awful candidate and if the republicans had nominated anybody even remotely sane they would have won easily.
I'm an Alaskan who voted for Mary. I am much further left than any Democrat but its good to see at least some representation resisting the slow slide to the right.
The left is a joke btw
Something that you hear in the trades quite a bit is people in colleges getting frivolous degrees, reflecting on the statement about "graphic designers." Why do you think kids do that? Are they just lazy, or do they see that tradesmen ruin their bodies, typically, by the time of retirement? I have a coworker now that took the first desk job he could leaving the field because he wanted to be healthy when he retired.
I think a lot of people who "do labor," equate the legitimacy of their labor with suffering, but why? If the building got raised but it was so smooth that no one had to strain a muscle, is the building any less up?
I think we need to focus on the ways we can preserve the bodies of tradesmen, and the thing is that there are technologies, like pro-press and victaulic grooved fittings, that make it so much easier on the body to get the work done. The problem is that people use this as an excuse to pay people less. Because you're not suffering as much, you're not "earning the money." Nevertheless, the building is still raised.
But like this is the same problem we had with the Cotton Gin. Eli Whitney wanted it to make the lives of cotton workers easier, but it did the opposite, exploding production and giving capital holders another way to exploit their workers (at that time slaves? I don't remember). that dynamic seems endemic, that anything done to save the body will be turned to hurt it more, in the trades.
Maybe that's why everyone wants to be a graphic designer, eh? Maybe people would go into the trades if they actually believed it would be a pleasant job where they can build a skill and it won't ruin their body. is that really such a silly thing to expect?
I'm confused when at 5:42 the representative says that Democrats have it wrong by relying on facts. Then they kind of touch on how people are feeling and emotions but nothing is clear as to how to shift from logical thinking based on factual information while addressing the emotions of people that don't believe in factual information. It kind of seems like they're just saying, "Blow smoke up their ass." Can someone provide me some clarification on this?
I think it's similar to the whole "don't go into big theory talk, keep things very grounded in specific, real life examples." I'm having that conversation a lot with my parents these days, where I can get them to agree that all these different aspects of capitalism are seriously messed up -- corporations gaining effective monopolies over basic necessities is bad, corporations having control of the government is bad, corporations being able to blatantly break laws because it only costs them a fee a fraction of their profits is bad, people being trapped in wage slavery is bad, people not having a livable wage is bad, consumerist culture is making people miserable (which is bad), people having more control over their lives is good, more democratic workplaces like worker-owned companies are good -- they agree with all of these points, some of them enthusiastically so, but as soon as I say "capitalism" I've lost them. They've got so much conditioning telling them "free market good, unions and socialism bad," that you really have to lead them by the hand to each specific issue you want social protections or corporate regulations on to keep from spooking them. And then, yeah, they often enthusiastically agree. I was raised to be anti-consumerist, anti-wage-slavery by people who are now surprised I'm critical of capitalism T-T
ALL THE EVIDENCE IS IN. Neither d nor r, actually represent the people anymore. NOT AT ALL. Only money has a voice anymore.
I’m an electrician and the student loan debt relief completely wiped out all the debt from the trade school I went to. That program helped me out.
Ya, it's called stuffing the ballot 😅😅😅
Less democratic turnout is sign of a weakening left? Or a strengthening one? I side with the latter.
Exactly! The right has no problem coalescing around a candidate. The left is like herding high functioning autistic cats.
Weakening I would say. It's delusional to think removing yourself from government process will improve your chances of getting what you want. Perfect example will be Trump and his ability to push abti-leftust policies and help further break down of policies, laws, and protections leftist like
It's fascinating how many of these fall under some iteration of a century old slogan. "Peace, Land, Bread"
I mean, it's not like the slogan is bad
Someone in congress actually talking about the right to repair? Got my vote
Thanks for the great interview. All three of these folks really seem to be grounded in what their constituents want. Keep up the good work.
Raise the wages for everyone!! You can see where Zuckerburg, Musk, Bezos, and many other billionaires have increased their wealth from 2009 to today. Average Americans are still making $7.25/hr since 2009!! And not only that. Because politicians like to kick down on minimum wage workers, the mainstream don't see that their wages are being suppressed as well!! Income inequality is one of the biggest drivers to why so many people both on the left and the right are dissatisfied with America today!
“But that’s Socialism!”
I tell ya, the next presidential term, 15 years after the $7.25 wage was set, needs to get it to $10-$12 Fed. minimum wage. I'd say that would make for something successful that all people will notice.
I was watching a Noam Chomsky interview the other day in which he casually mentioned that a wealth transfer of $50 trillion had taken place from the bottom 90% to the top 10% since Reagan. I think people need to remember that wealth doesn't come out of thin air and that when Bezos or Musk break records for net worth, that money is coming from somewhere
@@CalamityJay-ez2mq that wealth transfer of $50 trillion is from wage theft and wage suppression corporations have been stealing from the American worker! Reagan is the one president I blame for all the economic pain Americans are facing today. From making secondary education super expensive, to destroying the unions, and much more.
@@SuperAH1985 economists are saying it should be $26/hr today since American workers have been the most productive in decades! Here in Florida, we'd voted in a measure back in 2020 to raise the minimum wage to $10/hr. And then $1 every November until it hits $15 in 2026. I know it's not much but, its something. Louisiana in comparison is raising their minimum wage every year until it hits $15 in 2030!! I don't know about anyone living in Louisiana but, I'd get the hell out of there ASAP! They don't value their workers over there!
We need the Dems to make a left turn. I think the party has gone too far right in trying to get centrists. Dems who run on progressive issues win
I think Jamie McLeod Skinner is an excellent example of how that is not true.
No, they don't win, because they get opposed by their own party.
@@Apostate1970only there's federally, regionally and locally elected ones.
So.
Yeah.
I'm guessing you're anti fact, too.
Keep going far left and you'll keep losing except in shitty run dem cities
Same here I achieved to make what my Father made in the 90's and my earnings buy less than half. American dream dying = crime rising.
You have to be asleep to dream
This is a great discussion. I hope more people see this.
She straight faced said, "Feels matter not facts".
To the average voter, yeah.
Yea you will never convince people with facts. We live in a post-fact world where it's all feels over reals and you can post-modernly construct your personal truth. It doesn't help that modern media and technology have created a race to the bottom environment you can live in a perfect information bubble with talking heads confirming every bias while allowing you to tune out all contradictory information.
I have seen conservative family subsist entirely on a diet of OAN and Newsmax while using their smart TV functions to "fast forward" past anyone they disagree with already. It is functionally impossible to even get a contradictory message across the screen, much less argued. The equivalent of plugging ears and going "lalallalalla."
Yeah, it's been demonstrated time and time again. You cannot use statistics to reason someone out of a position they arrived at through emotion. It's part of the reason Dems often come across as arrogant and disconnected. They are more concerned with being correct than actually understanding the people they are trying to persuade
And she’s got a point. You can throw all the statistics you want at someone about how good the economy is and how inflation is down but if that person can’t afford their groceries , none of the data matters to them.
@@ayebing That still isn't a feeling, but calling out the news for manipulation of verbiage and cherry picking data from one aspect of the economy to say it's "good". Facts still point that wages are stagnant and the wealthy are still hording money instead of circulating the economy through wage increases which encourages spending across the spectrum; increasing the circulation of the economy makes it actually good, not just the stock market.
Homie said feelings don't care about your facts 😂
Like I get appealing to the emotions of your constituents but people need to learn that facts are important too.
Gotta fund education first...
Only they don't need to learn that.
Hear me out.
You can't MAKE them care. There's no magic button or argument from fact that obligates them to care.
YOU (the candidate, party or leader) are the one OBLIGATED to convince, inspire, or manipulate them into caring.
Facts only do that to an incredibly small portion of the human population. Left or right (and less so on the right.)
If you want to win, you need to accept the kind of game you need to play to win and play accordingly.
More of this please!
I wish Matt Cartwright was there because his district is just like theirs but he manages to be friendlier to the left than any of these representatives.
I agree that something must be done about predatory student loans but If the university lies to students about the value of a degree, then we should pass laws to seize the university's endowment. Imagine that I take out a loan for a used car that turns out to be a dud, should the government pay the loan? Or would you support my effort to take the car dealer to court and have them pay for it? In this example if the government decides to "forgive" the bad car loan then the dealer (university) simply continues to sell bad cars (degrees), and collects a check from the government when they are proven worthless. The only people hurt are the tax payers who pay for the government's "forgiven" loans. The only people who benefit are the corrupt car dealers (universities). If you force janitors, and truck drivers to pay for the false advertisements of universities they will turn to the political party which does not do so.
Taxes would not pay for debt forgiveness. Universities get government money. The government should want their constituents educated. Should not be a competition.
@@dogeared100 Correct, the Universities and banks were paid long ago when the loans were issued. No tax payers would be paying for the forgiveness, the Government would just get less revenue since they aren't getting it off the interest of the loans. It's basically like if you borrowed money from a loan shark, you got your money to pay off who you needed to pay off, but if the loan shark gets a heart and decides to forgive you having to pay him back, no one else is paying for it, he just gets less money when you don't have to pay him anymore.
I wonder when more perfect union starts to push socialist candidates and not just spicy more "labor friendly" democrats (that totally won't just become normal dems after 2 terms).
Well, mpu IS a capitalist organization, so..
I wouldn't hold my breath.
I would focus on other areas of struggle.
Mpu will go as far as SocDem, and that's it. Keep the baby, throw out the bath water.
@@KP-uc1ez Ah, yes. Which is why they platformed JT from Second Thought, famous Capitalist RUclipsr, lol.
@roy4173 they've platformed several lefties!
Liberalism loves coopting socialist sentiments whenever advantageous. I would have to watch the video again, but JT sure didn't call for ending capitalism in that one, did he?..
As a socialist I find it pretty terrible to spit in the face of progress just because it is not ideal. There is a mountain of difference between today's labor friendly Democrats and the average Democrat even just 10 years ago. If you want to build a better more equal society that is going to start by getting these labor friendly Democrats elected rather than the Kyrsten Sinemas of this world. Frankly whether they call themselves socialist or not is pretty insignificant compared to revitalizing the labor movement which would be the bedrock of any socialist movement. A few socialist representatives aren't going to come first, a strong labor movement that votes for them will.
@kevley26 I think the revitalization of the labor movement is a key insight.
But I think you're being a little unfair to the commenter, however, given some of your language, eg "spit in the face."
There is no need for a moral judgment of the person due to a fair criticism.
There's also NO substantial difference between the SocDems and RadLibs of today, and those of, say, 1912 Russia, or late 1800s Germany a la Bernstein.
One can recognize the positive role a progressive organization can play for the movement, while distinguishing between liberal reform and radical change - there's a wealth of historical examples demonstrating the long-run impotence of MERE reformism, and its tendency to deradicalize people, maintain the overarching status quo. Better social services would be nice, but when will western internationals cease the violent superexploitation of the global south? Even Scandinavia refuses to comment..
So, that's it. Dude pointed out that mpu is restrained by their material interests in their messaging. And that's true. If dude said that their messaging was useless, I would have disagreed as well.
People respond to solving problems. There are many microlevel, community efforts that solve problems or at least make a dent in them, but these efforts are not widely celebrated or covered. Fear and worry, the creation of panic, are the bread and butter of most media outlets and political operatives. They are sensational in the moment but not satisfying in the long run. That lack of satisfaction, coupled with fear and panic, are what lead to apathy and hopelessness. Much of what these panelists were describing was oriented to problem solving and I think that is why they resonate with their constituents.
Great interview. Thank you.
Excellent conversation from all, also great to see Faiz again.
I just wish Dems would stop centering in on messaging when it’s the actions that matter. Better messaging is important but never more important than voters’ experiences to the contrary of that message.
Dems should message support for reproductive rights but actual energy must also be spent to codify those rights rather than dangling them like a carrot every election cycle.
It's not like they haven't tried codifying reproductive rights since the rug was pulled on the previous status quo by SCOTUS... You make it sound like Dems are the ones deliberately manipulating the issue with no intent of solving the problem created by right-wing extremists.
It's not that we love Trump so much. It's that we don't want our country controlled by traitors. Trump is the only choice we have whom we can trust to restore American values.
This was fantastic, very practical discussions
We need more interviews like these from honest politicians who represents the interests of common people
As a Dem since Reagan, fervent anti-Trump/MAGA/GOP, I see only a few Dem lawmakers/candidates who know how the corporate system sticks a knife in all but the rich. We need 1) healthcare, 2) basic economic support for families, 3) education assistance, 4) unionized jobs.
Vote ❤
5:35 - Facts & numbers being offensive pretty much sums up the Republican platform in a nutshell. I mean who cares about reality right?
You beat me to it. Trumpsters don't want to be called stupid, but in the same breath the politician said you "can't talk facts" to them without validating feelings. Yeah, ok.
Sums up both. Anti-intellectualism doesn't pick sides. On one side, ya got climate denial, religious nationalism, and censorship. On the other, a lack of scientific support of claims made by the trans and related communities, anti-GMO, and more censorship. The list goes on for both from there as people prefer idealism and flattering philosophy over mundane reality.
I think her point was that arguments disconnected from feelings and emotions are ineffective. Facts matter, but only if you can show people why they should personally care about them.
It's not that. facts do matter, but you have to actually persuade someone to care about those facts. Being right doesn't mean you don't need to put in work to convincing people, that's the biggest mistake people have been making about discussion online.
yall really need a sound guy to adjust the mic volumes. even if you can't equalise/normalise the recording volumes, you can boost/diminish each channel to manually get them closer.
clearly the interviewer's volume is too soft/inconsistent, while marie's could be upped a notch or two. mary and jared sound perfect; but because the other two sound soft, it makes them seem too loud (especially if someone turns up the volume to hear the other 2).
The company I worked for got 300 thousand in PPP loans and laid everyone off anyway. The owner used that money to buy a bucket truck
When Trump was President he would tweet about literally everything he was doing on a day to day basis. Yes, he would say some crazy stuff that some didn't agree with, however at least Americans knew exactly what was going on. He would tweet about every meeting he had, then told you what was on the table then he would give his opinion on it and then tell us what would happen next. People never appreciate that until they got radio silence from Biden and now have no idea what is going on or what the Biden administration thought and planned to do next.
Then you're not paying attention. And Trump tweeted useless shit....nothing that helped the common worker.
Almost everything Trump said was lies, he is a con-man and a lazy buffoon.
They won by being moderates. They really are leaning right. #studentLoans
Great work. Thank you.
What does it mean to have "access" and "freedom" to necessities, and why in the 21st century is this still an issue politicians think they can solve? Just give this a think for a bit. Every election year it's highstakes, "we have to save the country ."
Sympathize... up to what point? How much sympathy can you have for a trump supporter who continues too fail at using a minimum off critical thought when consider who he is.
*of
*considering
@@alvallac2171 thank you, but your point? You had a chance to play Grammar teacher. Now, actually add something to the discussion. I get the urge to play tidbit editor in situations where I may disagree with the poster. If you're not going to post anything of substance, take several seats and do what you're instinct led you to do in the first place... Absolutely nothing.
None. You don't need to sympathize with them at all.
However there is a valid strategic concern to attacking the other parties base of power there, and drawing support away.
There's strategic and tactical reasons to support bleeding off supporters and winning local, state and federal seats in as many numbers as possible to consistently keep the other party on the back foot.
@@Jay-ho9io I feel you, but I've known golden for almost 15 years and the ideals he held years back greatly contrast the neoliberal mush he supports now. I understand politics have to be played, but I went to college in Lewiston (Golden's) district and with all due respect, in the grand scheme of things IMO the platitudes thrown out by Golden won't cut it. Putting a panel of this rep demo together as a concept was admirable but fell short of providing any worthwhile info.
Dems don't use common sense to see joe has full blown dementia and is corrupt as f
Dems spend to much time talking about the improved economy and how happy and grateful we should be and people feel they're being spoken down to. It's bull, when we feel a big difference in our pockets we'll believe things are improving. When we see the elite (private and business and corporate) being made to pay $$ on their wealth (anything is better than what they are paying now) we'll feel its getting fairer. When we see immunity for law enforcement we'll believe we can have a better way forward. I can go on but the Dems have got to stop the political talk of decades past. As soon as we hear it we know we're being stooged. It's how pab45 got such a big hold - he speaks to his people in their own language, on topics that people actually care about. Just don't do the blarney and try to pull the wool over people's eyes like he does.
Dems are the ones who pull the wool over your eyes and tell u it's great when it ain't etc
"dont care about the middle?"...there is no middle. Its the rich and the poor. Thats it.
What a great conversation 👏
I vote liberal , but i am a registered independent.
I see how some of the things on the left dont appeal to conservatives and vice versa. But the basic wants of all voters want the same things.
I have had the same experiences with the dem party. I wanted to run for office here in va and i was told i dont know enough people that have money and i wouldnt appeal to people because i work construction, and going to school to get an electrical license. But because i didn't know enough people, i wasn't given the opportunity to even try.
I live in republican coal country. I know i have a better chance than most to win around here.
It says anyone can be president, but that's not true. If you dont have money, you can't do anything. Both parties are the same in that aspect.
The United States is technically an "oligarchy", just not as blatantly as Russia. Big corporations give money to both parties so that they do the bidding of said corporations. The United States government hasn't been for the people since arguably Nixon, although Reagan moreso. Someone like you would appeal to most people, but you're not gonna get any "big" financial support because ideas that would benefit most people wouldn't benefit the ruling class (billionaires, 0.01%, etc). I would advise you to start a grassroot movement because you'll get support for sure, it'll just take longer for it to reach as much people because you'll be fighting against the corporate ran media industry owned by the ruling class. The United States desperately needs people like you and I wish you good luck in your goals.
@@TokyoBalletRepriseBlatantly? Or internal bias? Remember you can’t say your side has problems for all the world to hear. Point is, it is an oligarchy, but problems aren’t going to be domestically admitted. The corrupt entities fund the news.
audio issue lol
Took a minute, but it's working now.
Also, I like your name! Lol
This video should have at least 500K more likes.
Fantastic video, fantastic discussion. Thank you Representatives Perez, Peltola, and Golden, ya'll stay real
Absolutely, they all seem well grounded and genuine. The disconnect somewhere is the extremists in the party that make them look insane,
Audio? Audio not working on mobile. TV seems to be working fine.
I’m on mobile and it’s fine
@@johnbellissimo7594 working on mobile for me now. Wonder what happened there?