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My name is Eric and I travel with my cat, “Jax” in a 2012 Coachmen Mirada 32BH Class A Motorhome on a Ford Super Duty truck chassis. (V10 Triton) We travel about 35 miles a day chasing 70 degrees year-round since 2010. I travel with a 2009 Honda CMX 250 on the back of my RV on a Titan Ramp 600lb carrier. Bike goes 78mph and gets 70mpg. Here is my gear & some popular questions answered:
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I worked for a company that made TP. We called the cheap single ply TP John Wayne TP, because it wouldn't take cr@p off of anybody.
YES! 😂
This was one of my dad's favorite "dad jokes" he told us as kids in the 80s. It was a tad longer, and the setup was someone shopping for TP at their local store (K-mart, Walmart, Target, etc), and there were too many TP options. Something like that.
Anyway, I wish I could remember the whole thing. I'll ask my dad today, who's over 70 now. I bet he'll get a kick out of me asking!
It's also one of the biggest marketing mindfucks. Sure it's cheaper, but you have to use twice as much, so no savings at all. That and it's more likely to tear when using it, and nobody wants that shit...
The only thing is with the regular Scott's you end up using more because it's not enough to clean yourself decently so you end up haveing to double it up
Very true. Scott 1000 is single ply.
That's the problem with the cheap stuff...you have to use more
Scotts isn't cheap toilet tissue. Yes, it is 1 ply and you may need more. However, the Angel Soft is 2 ply. So 6 sheets is like 12. If you double up on Scotts you'd still be using the same amount as the AS. Like Eric said, it is about personal preference. I grew up on Scotts and prefer it. I get a Walmart brand that is generic Scotts for 1/2 the price and like it better, but when that is out, Scotts is the next choice. I can't stand Angel Soft and thick TP.
The best bargain is walmart's septic rolls
@@IssuesWithMyTissues - Yeah, I'm surprised that so many, including Eric, failed to notice that the first Scott's TP was single ply. I prefer Scotts single ply, as it doesn't flake apart when wiping the behind like the angel soft usually does. Wiping with single ply (even if you really bundle it up while wiping) will leave less TP residue on your behind than softer tissues.
Holding tank chemicals also matter, they assist with breaking things up.
And there is nothing like Happy Campers Odor Free Holding Tank treatment :-)
@@Fundytrail nothing that i have is better than HAPPY CAMPER that i have used.
Still needs enough liquid for it to work right.
Last night, I dumped a bucket of sudsy dish water into my toilet, thinking that would help clean it up. Today, I swear I can faintly smell the not so good smell. Did my Dawn neutralize my chemical treatment, I wonder?
@@GarriAnn no...it is likely breaking loose all the sludgy buildup that most chemicals won't. Especially if it is a 5th wheel tank, they have longer tanks that can sag in the middle and still hold quite a bit of "stuff" even though you drained the tank.
that's what I love about your channel lol we never know what we will be talking about we go from Lake, to video games to tp lol lol love it
I am a hard core backwoods hick, yet we have Bidet's on every toilet in the house. Literally the greatest thing in life since sliced bread. It's one of the few things I miss when we are away. Now both the wife and I bring a travel bidet with us everywhere we go, and back to bliss no matter were we might be. You just need a couple squares of TP to dry off.
Love my bidet, how did I ever go so long without one?
I know it sounds like a pain in the butt. But after you drain the tank. Add 5 gallons of water to the tank before use.
Full time here for 13 yrs, Angel Soft is what we use.
Never have had a problem.
As soon as I finish emptying my black tanks, I use the proper ratio of “Happy Camper” in the tank ans I add 5 gallons of water to the holding tank. Better to have too much water! Good video Eric.
Eric maybe you could rig up your GoPro in the holding tank. Drive around a bit and see how it breaks up. Maybe sell the GoPro later.
I’m number two!!!😅
Okay, had to laugh 😀😁😃😆
iam number one after drinking a few beers so get back too work number 2 :) keep the warp toilets going number 2
Eric you forgot the most popular brand "Costco Kirkland" they say it is septic safe and I have been using it on a septic system for 10 +year no problems
It’s what I use. Lasts for about a year on the road full time.
I find it interesting that you didn't mention digestive enzymes that you can get at most r.v. stores to help keep solids broke down. It of course relies on the proper amount of liquids being in the tank. Would be interested in hearing your thoughts about these products.
I agree. Should test with enzymes
We use Happy Camper powder. We put in the grey and black tanks each time we dump our tanks. We tried lots of other products in our tanks until we found Happy Camper. We feel it works best.
We don't have an RV but we have a 60 year old home and we switched to Cascades Pro toilet paper that we buy online in 40 something rolls quantities. It dissolves beautifully and we've never had to have a company come snake out our line in the 3 years since we switched. It's not as soft as some, but it's not uncomfortable and it's just another thing we don't have to worry about in homeownership.
I question why I am intrigued by this!? Keep on keeping on Eric ☺️
Classic Nomadic Fanatic! The reason I watch is the right amounts of complaining, sarcasm and fun. Keep up the great work Eric!
We use Costco banded toilet paper in our RV. I added a additional sewer gate valve on the very end prior to attaching the hose. I dump the black tank. Then I close that valve in front of the hose and open the gray water tank and black tanks together. Water flows from the gray tank into the back tank until equalized. Then I close the gray tank and open the additional valve. This allows some gray water in the black tank to rinse out the black tank. Then drain the remaining gray water out.
You can't be serious. 22 Minutes of this?
Just an FYI, we use Scott in our RV and Happy Camper power for treatment. We just bought a pack of 12 rolls, 1000 sheets each roll for $9.87 @ Walmart so the price per sheet is .00082 per sheet.😉😎🤗
Or .82 cents per roll.
Great topic-we have had a plug up in the past. We were in an RV park & set up for long term Used PVC to connect to sewer & left both gray & black water valves open. Older RV only had one sewer valve-so we left it open. Well it didn't take long till there was a blockage. What a nightmare!! I 've also known people who simply refuse to put paper in the toilet period. Used a lined garbage can for paper Ha-enough poo poo talk
Well done Eric . We have been buying the RV paper for ours . Not very comfy to use to start with . LOL We are switching to what we use at the house . Angle Soft . The only thing I have seen in videos is that the ( NON ) RV paper will hang up on the tank sensors and you can't check the levels . Our sensors don't work anyway . LOL Dump the tank every three days for the two of us and done !
Great useful info. We also use Rid x a toilet enzyme that breaks up solids. 20 years on the road and no toilet problems.
I use that at basecamp... never thought of putting some in the black tank! nice.
I have also heard that you can pour a bag of ice down the toilet and drive around and it may help to free clogs around the tank sensors.
Charming guy here. Simply because of preference. As long as package says septic safe I’m good. Now for something a little different. I’m a bidet sort of guy. I like the clean it provides. Before I changed out my toilet to one with a conventional seat so I could mount a real bidet, I did something else. I got a 1 1/2 gal garden sprayer and with the help of a blow dryer, heated and reshaped the wand. I’ve got a bidet of sorts that worked great and cut down on TP usage. Just me.
Dude, Zoë and I have been watching you for YEARS. This is one of thee most helpful videos to date, IMO. I was literally thinking I would pee outside most of the time when in BLM, to keep from filling the tank too fast. But never thought about liquid to solid ratio, and how critical that is. Seriously, very helpful.
I know this sounds gross but in order to not fill up the black tank too fast We put the tp in dog poop bags when boon docking.
to truly test how they drain out, drill a hole in the bottom of those plastic containers.....pouring out over the top doesn't give a realistic draining.
Nice test, one thing though, when we where traveling it was mainly number 2 we try to do most often in public toilet!
That 12,000 sheet package of Scott's costs $132 according to my math. 12,000 x 1.1 = 13,200/100= $132.
Yes, you should test with your black tank additive. I use Happy Camper, works great and im happy!
2 ply means 2 squares together to make one square. It is literally twice the TP compared to a single ply. So your Angel soft sample actually had 12 squares worth of paper in it. Hence the larger wad and greater weight!
We like regular ol Charmin TP. We used Angel soft at home for 20 years or more, but made the switch to Charmin after using some at a relatives house. Less finger breaks with Charmin compared to Angel soft. We use Charmin in our class A diesel pusher and it has worked just fine! Great video Eric! Keep it up!
4:10 “it’s all about comfort in the end”. Very realistic to have spilled while adding the water to your sample toilet. Guys should always sit especially in an rv.
no... i can't respect a man that sits to pee. haha unless it's due to a disability or something.
@@TheBeaverDen It’s a stinky splash problem.
@@rvboondocker2559 my husband has no issues with ringing the toilet, even after several beers... No issues...
We have been RVing for over 25 years, have always used regular toilet paper and toilet chemical treatments, and NEVER had a problem
How would the test have done if you had left the TP in the tank for several days. Most don’t empty everyday, we empty about once per week.
This time when I got an Eric notification, I did not grab a snack before clicking
I like to call the Scots single ply TP "John Wayne" TP... it is rough and tough and doesn't take crap off of anyone.
Charmin?
Gotta take into account for holding tank chemicals they help also. Also think about every time you flush and it drops onto the last times use and so on and so on. Plus it will sit in there for about two or more weeks before dumped. So with all this going on I'm sure over time all choices will break up. But for a hour long test situation i know what one will work for me. Thanks Eric.
I guess you could take into account. I don't use any. Never have. It's another gimmick as I've never had an issue with regular use.
This would make a good science fair project.
Hey Eric, not sure how you did the math on the tp. We use the Scott RV for the past 2.5 years. It's $8 for an 8 pack @ Walmart. 231sheets per roll works out to $0.004/sheet. Anyways, we haven't had a problem with it at all although your test results are interesting! During the pandemic we bought the no-name walmart stuff and it was fine. We also bought Scott 1000. That stuff is pure garbage. I would only but that again if it was the only thing left in the store.
How come I found this interesting ,you Eric were made for advertising I enjoyed this video .😂😂😂
Scott TP is single ply & Angel Soft is double ply. I prefer Angel Soft too. I am not an RVer though.
Agreat video that most people wouldn't want to do. No matter how many days I canp, I always fill up the black water tank with water before I go to the dump station. Plus my T paper always goes to the waste can.
“in the end”......hahaha. Cracked me up.
Glad wasn't only one that caught that.🤣🤣
My preference: Bidet Nozzle! Butt PowerWash, leaves you and the bowl clean!
Biden nozzle?
@@RobertSmith-tq6mf That works only so well, gets lost along the way and might fall into the bowl. Likely to have a 'Brokeback' experience with that as you are gonna get violated one way or another.
We’ve been using Angel Soft in our various RVs for years. Never had an issue. But we always add water to an empty tank first. Then add water to the bowl before a #2, flush afterwards, add more water to the bowl, wipe, then flush again. When we empty the black tank, it flows fast due to the water to solid ratio. This is also not a septic tank. Solids won’t have time to break down. No anaerobic action going on. Extra liquids are needed to move the chunks!
You don’t know how thankful I am for this video.
Great video Eric. Also another issue by not having enough water in the tank is the sensors getting "stuff" attached to them. Keep up the great work. 👍
I have been using Angel Soft as a full timer for three years also and am quite satisfied with the performance and problem free.
I would add more water a day before drain day to help thin the tank out.
When it's time to "scrub" my tank I buy 2 bags of ice and pour them into the tank and drive rougher than usual so the ice gets up the walls and scrubs the bottom of the tank.
Then go drain the tank and freaked out at what was left behind!
Yes, you can buy chemicals but ice is cheaper!!
Hey! You did a video, oh what? 2 years ago that you were going to go do an RV living show for TV.
What happened? Major production companies couldn't keep up with you? Lol.
And I'm now back in Springfield, MO.
Phoenix is nice but way to expensive!!
But I'm cometely retired! After laying my freightliner and trailer on its side I called it quits!
Let's see if I can make real retirement work!!
Blue skies and safe journey's!
Good test even for my ho.e septic
Erik where the water builds up put a 5 gal bucket in the ground with holes in top. With gravel stone on top. Then take a PVC pipe off the side just below ground at top of bucket an devert down side of house. As bucket fills the water will push out.
Dude! Way to do your homework!
Excellent consumer advice!
Thanks!
Holding Tank chemical choice also makes a difference Great Video Eric👍
We are NEVER going to buy the Scott "rapid dissolving" RV tp again!! This was a great video! Thanks Eric!!!
I added a black tank rinse to my tank it was about $25 and very easy to install, it allows you to put water in the tank before you start using it. It works amazing it's just a nozzle that sprays water in different directions and if your hooked up at a campground you can let it rinse the entire tank out for as long as you need.
Watching when you were in a black van. This may be the most informative of any of your videos.
how can a black tank be dry? you flush using water right ?
Wow. I never knew that taking a dump and wiping the ol bung hole would be so technical. Thanks for your expertise!
Fit RV did this about a year ago. Before pandemic. They did the test similar to you and got the same results. The pandemic hit so I had to buy would never was available but I’m now switching from my sticks and bricks house to the angel soft because it looks better for both. Thanks for doing the test again.
My favorite tolit paper that I won't hardly do without is Charmin with Aloe and E (in the green package). I use it in the rv but out of worry that it would clog the tank I put it in a trash can next to the toilet that gets empted regularly.
Hey Eric, just wanted to say thank you for all the vids; you've been keeping me company while I'm in lockdown :)
Advice- dont get dehydrated- drink a lot of water. Love these experiments, hope you do more of them!
I didn’t like the Scotts Quick dissolve toilet paper I was using campa-soft RV toilet paper because it had six rolls and soft compared to Scott’s four rolls but now I’ll Switch to angel soft 👍
The basic Wal-Mart brand is a hold over when many stores were marketing to customers that wanted generic paper products.
.64 cents for soft rolls is a good value.
We use Costco's Kirkland brand at home, in our beach house, our boat and in the RV. 8 yrs and never a clog in any. We drove I-40 once and thought every screw was going to vibrate out our RV. There is some motion in those tanks! HUGS~Donna
Living On A Dime did a very comprehensive study on tp a year or so ago. They proved that Scott's was NOT the most economical tp like most people thought.
Been using "Quilted Northern" for years w/o issues!!!🧻🚽👍
Hey Eric and Jax 🤙🏼
We also use Angel Soft even though we have a composting toilet.
On the whole, i think Scott's feels the best!
I like the house vids and the RV vids. It's a good shift back and forth and the channel has great yin and yang right now.
As I am waiting on my van this is really helpful in understanding the black tank!
TMI coming at you but as a female, I use Scott for reasons other than it's comfort ability and RV tanks. The other "quilted" TP brands leave awful fuzzies. For example, here is a test for you... shave your face, then the next day when you have a little stubble, dab a little water on your cheeks and then try to wipe it off with your quilted TP. It's HORRIBLE! haha Scott is smooth and leaves no fuzzies. I guess if you keep nice thick bushes around your porch, then quilted is good, but if you shave that shit down, it's a no go.
I've used Scott TP for 34 yrs!!! My hunny has never gotten sore from the TP! However, my S-in-law hates my TP! In 20 yrs we never needed to pump our septic system using this TP until the county made a law that it had to be done every 3 yrs. I'll get the s-in-l a roll of Angel Soft for his future visits. Hope you had fun doing this one!!
I had a few clogs early but none now. Water and #1 are you friend and solve the clog issues if you have one. I use the Costco Kirkland brand and have had great success with that one. If I plan to stay for say a month at at time I even fill the black tank with 3-5 min of water since I know I won’t be moving to help the break up, that way it empties better.
I have a septic tank at my house and I have been guilty of peeing outside (I live in a secluded area) to save on well water. Now I know I shouldn't do that. BTW Charmin Extra Soft has been my brand for years.
You needn't worry about that, flushing toilet is a lot of water plus sink water and even laundry water. Plenty of water to solids ratio 🤙🏼
@@JonnyDIY Thanks
This is a sore spot of argument in my house. I know too much tmi but I like the Scott’s and others in my house...like you, enjoy the fluffy stuff. When we go on a trip we buy the pricy RV paper which I hate and others in my family refuse to use. They have delicate tushies..lol I am kinda glad you did this experiment. Now I can bring my sandpaper and be happy. lol
What I want to see is a video or discussion that actually does this demonstration using actual bodily waste. I bet the chemical compounds in those substances also have a lot to do with how the paper performs. Also maybe actually drive around for a bit and maybe let the paper sit for two days to simulate sitting for the duration of a weekend trip.
I do like your version of the test though. The amount of fluids does affect the draining.
Install a bidet. Once you do, the whole experience changes forever.
ERIC, AND YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I ALWAYS SQUEEZE THE CHARMIN👍👍👍👍🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🤣🤣👍🪠🪠🪠
You forgot the tank treatment, that helps to break down the paper.
A lot of Folks don't use the treatment tablets . We do but just to keep down the stink I guess ? If you live full time I don't think it is needed . Eric , we need another video for this ! LOL Happy RVing David !
When you’re in warmer climates ours really gets a bit stinky if we don’t use treatment. Which is most of the time!
The biggest mistake RV newbies do on a regular basis is to think they can leave the valves open when fully hooked up in an RV park. That creates the infamous "solids" pyramid at the bottom of the black tank (the ultimate bad ratio between liquids and solids ;). A good rule is to never try to empty the black tank if it's below 50%. And while you in theory "could" leave the gray tank valve open when hooked up in an RV park, it's also not the best idea, because you want to use the gray tank to flush out the hose after a black tank dump (that's another rule, always dump the black first, then the gray, never the other way around! ;).
Some tv's have a built in flush like mine. Plus our tank is on the other side of the RV don't forget your breakdown additive.
Hello Nomadic Fanatic 👋
If your RV is equipped with a black tank flush connection, flush the tank for several minutes after each dump and close the dump valve JUST BEFORE turning off the water supply to the flush connection. This will automatically help with that liquid/solids ratio which Eric is so very spot on about.
This was a great video Eric. We use the Camco RV Toilet Paper and have for years. I would add we are not full-timers so it’s expensive but not so much when we only go out one or two weekends a month, Spring Break, two weeks in summer, a week at Thanksgiving, and a week at Christmas but we’ve never had a problem. You are spot on about the liquids. We usually put extra water in the black before we flush, then use the black tank flush also. Great info!
don't forget one ply has half the TP that 2 ply has i.e. 1 PLY one sheet ... two ply two sheets ... so 6 sheets vs 12 sheets. Plus I do have a wand however there is and exterior hose connection to spray the inside the holding tank to clean it out... I think there is a pressure fitting inside the tank. Great show Eric.
Great video. Well thought out. We are looking into a bidet to bypass TP all together.
Very biased with the fork test lol. The angel soft you only picked at with the tip of the fork which made it tear more easily instead of scooping it up with the entire fork the way you did with the scotts dissolve :P
Each boat that has any number of people living onboard has to either hold their sewage in a tank until they can reach a dock and discharge to the marina dock (like an RV at a sewage dump) OR the boat has a small sewage treatment plant onboard (towboats, tugboats, cruise ships, other large vessels). When using a sewage treatment plant, use any toilet paper BUT Charmin. Charmin has bits of cloth mixed in with the paper. The cloth clogs up the masserater and thus disables the sewage treatment plant. Every other piece of TP is pure paper and disolves/breaks up quickly. The sewage plants must be fed bacterial “bugs” every two weeks and keep chlorine between the plant holding tank ank the overboard discharge port.
The solution to a clogged up/caked up black tank is: 20LBS of ice cubes followed by a two hour drive around town with lots of stops, starts, and 90 degree turns, & then to a dump to dump everything out!
Great vid on terlit paper... ran out and found your vid. All makes sense....so... I'm going with my favorite as of now Scotts(until I try the Angle soft) . Can't stand the thin, twirl it around your hand, expensive camping world toilet paper.
I do put a good layer of water in the black before use...so I think I'll be good !
Thanks
KJ LI NY
Interesting video Eric, thanks.
We missed Jax on this one!
Safe travels!
i don't like the feel of the "soft" toilet papers. i like a bit of friction down there. like scratching an itch. cheapest one on sale for me.
Been a rv owner for 11yrs and never have I had a blockage but I have friends that won’t even go #2 in their rv because of the fear of clogs! I do use a enzyme and I buy the cheapest tp we can find. On a side note I’ve worked for 23yrs for a municipal sewer dept in Illinois and yes you are 100% correct, water and plenty of it is your friend when it comes to not having black tank issues! Good info!
I use a Sears catalog.
I agree the main thing to do is keep a lot of liquid in the black holding tank. I use Costco's Kirkland toilet paper, and it works fine. A big mistake a lot of people make is when they are at a campground with full hookups is to leave the black tank valve open. If you do that the solids stay, and the liquids go down the drain. Then when you want to empty the tank there is no liquid to make the solids flow. Keep the valve closed, and build up the fluids for a good flush when you drain the tank.
This "test" tells me you don't use chemicals for the 11years you've been doing this. Not only do chemicals have deodorizers, they also have enzymes which break up solids like turds and paper. Try that test again with a black tank treatment.
We normally use the Kirkland brand TP, no issues in 6 years of RVing. I do remember watching a video years ago about the proper care and use of your RV black tank. Adding a whole bowl full of water to the tank after #2 was highly advised.
Would the tank additives that are used for odor play a part with regards to dissolving?
Don’t forget! If you have a lot of girls in the RV, you will have a lot of toilet paper in your tank. Girls have to wipe after they pee and they tend to use a lot of toilet paper. Our system with a septic system and all girls was to put pee paper in the trash can and burn it with the burn trash in the country. We put our used toilet paper in the trash can in the RV now just to conserve. Oh! And I also have an RV with a nature’s head composting toilet. I put all my paper in the trash. Way better compost mixture and you can go a month between dumping it 👌🏽
I always flush twice to ensure I have enough water in the black tank. I also ad Happy Camper to my tank.
Good rainy morning to you too! Though, it's sunny and beautiful here in Boulder! Stay dry dude!
great info thanks