Brilliant work hyper. I’m working on off tanking vRG for the first time. Done the HM as dd but will train myself in the vet trials on my fresh necro tank.
SInce when do Tanks become "Group assist buffers"? This is a healers job. Not a tanks. The first 2 sets are pure "Heavy set for healers" in my opinion. It does nothing to aid the group as the tank role.
I use dragons appetite and tormentor. Just for duegeon runs literally hard to get the pug group going in deugeon finder cause some dlc duegeons literally players die to the easiest mechanics such as avoid aoe and seeing a delay aoe. I finished off most bosses especially castle thorn two times wasn’t hard mode but they gave me 130k gold for effort in end when the group can’t see the aoe light when the last boss does the bat swarm shit
Great video man! Short and concise, just the essential we need. Thanks! 🏆 Maybe you could do an additional one with the "must have monster sets"? I was thinking of using Magma/Saxhleel/Crimson for my new necro tank that I would use mostly in 4 men dungeons... any thoughts about that?
Hey buddy thanks for the video! Im currently trying to put a vet raid together (HM in the future). What would be the groups setup? Speaking of sets etc., I cant really find any videos to it. I dont really know which buffs are important and essential, also I dont know how to plan a raid with 2 bosses or 1 boss
@@Hyperioxes Sorry I saw your reply kind of late. Lets take vDSR for example. For the first boss, do you want to use 2 players using ZenKosh and 2 players using EC? Or on what buffs/penetration etc. are we generally looking for in a boss fight?
@@ZephioGaming No, you dont use Alkosh there, bring only one EC and Z'en, the best way we've found around penetration in this fight was having both tanks on Tremorscale and DDs adjusting to it by having a few light pieces and/or sets with penetration set bonuses like Tzogvin
@@Hyperioxes Interesting. It might be a good idea for a future video to give general full raid comp guides as a "general" for new trial runners or returning trial runners on what a good group composition should look like Generally speaking of course. Not to include special situation trials like vCR+3 that takes a mini 3rd tank
Is using a torugs pact infused ice staff with a Crushing enchant a decent substitute for crimson oath/ alkosh? I figured this might work at least until I get the the real sets.
Question from your DK tank build. If I don't have the Spaulder shoulder piece for the trash set. should i just run 2 piece magma? or just wear archdruid through out the entirety of the dungeon?
In my DK tank build I'm using Yolnahkriin on trash so 2-piece Magma wouldn't make sense since Minor Courage is already there, you can use Archdruid throughout entire dungeon
I have normal yol, PA, and run Spaulder of ruin. Is this a good set up to be a main tank in vetvtrial content or do you recommend something else. Thanks
I honestly thought Pearlescent Ward works more like 6% dmg mitigation per dead person when in trial so 11/12 twelve dead people=66% and 22%/dead person when in a four man group, cause like - why would you count yourself since the effect of the set wouldn't work anyways if you're dead, would it?
Im curious in 4 man if Tremorscale and Crimson would be best for pugs as you cant guarantee who’s wearing light pieces. Skinny Cheeks video says its a 17% increase to dps. would that outperform using TT and Yolna?
Yolna is about 3-4% DPS increase with TT maybe 8% for the burst time when it's active. So I would personally say yes. Also most medium DPS sets are a lot better than light. For example after running a few tests, I personally had better results with Relequen (medium) than Whorl (light) even on the 3M dummy and in vSS portals (so underpenning with relequen). This will vary from class to class and be affected by a few factors but overall medium is very often worth running even if you're underpenning as the DD.
I'd go with Tremorscale/TT/Olorime, I feel like with Tremor and Crimson you'd be providing very little to light armor DDs, but also I have no clue what type of armor is worn more frequently in pugs
I'm a dk only cp 390 I got turning tides and got nazaray shoulders, working on getting the helm but damn vsrr is hard and I'm still squishy idk what to do 😂
You can get decent Major Force uptime with 2 tanks and 2 healers on horn without Saxheel can’t you? I think the point of Saxheel Necro tank is that you can run a higher damage ult on your necro DD, or just run less necros. And also being able to use Shell / Barrier like you said.
im working on setting up a good dk necro warden and arcanist tanks just wondering are sax pearlescent and yolnahkrin usually only on the body im just wondering before i start reconstructing those sets and wouldnt want to spend transmutes twice
It's not required but it helps a lot so if you ever start having issues with surviving capping out your armor is the first step in improving your build
@@alexbrowne9566 lol I know this but at one point in the video he says alkosh can help you reach pen cap in trials where mora's is best (since you need 1 light to reach pen cap with alkosh). And I'm curious which trials he is referring to.
@@gocity9 For most trials, Kilt will be your best mythic. There are a few exceptions where Kilt doesn't work very well. Mostly trials where you take direct damage that removes Kilt stacks. For example Oaxiltso in vRG, Rakkhat in vMoL. Bow Breaker in vDSR. There probably are many others. I personally don't run Mora's too much so take it with a grain of sand. Someone else can maybe pitch in more. Another option could be if you're playing for example Nightblade or Khajiit and you are at crit damage cap already without Kilt, then Mora's would perform better. Also for short burst or quick fights where Kilt doesn't have much time to stack up. Especially trash fights or very fast and short boss fights / dungeons.
What would you suggest running on a Dungeon Tank Build Backbar? I have Tremorscale and Turning Tide body. Drakes Rush or PA Backbar? I mostly play with friends (2 DD's and 1 Healer) so the "use ult on cooldown" part can be easely communicated.
Tremorscale provides 8% of your armor as penetration so with 33k it'd provide 2640 pen. If you're using Puncturing Remedy and you're at cap without it, using Pierce Armor will proc both Puncturing Remedy and Tremorscale and with 39k armor you'll provide 3120 armor
I don't really understand why there is this interest and investement in consistently disparaging the tank club. You can make videos, push out information/ content without doing so. Its getting weird.
The reason is because he wastes a lot of time from people running suboptimal or straight up harmful stuff and asking him for advice. Telling people to stay away from tank club's stuff (for endgame specifically i mean) is a positive for him because its less work helping people in dms. And especially for newer players who want to get into endgame fast, having it be known that the tank club is not a very good source of reliable info saves them a lot of time (you really dont want your tank rolling up in 8x sturdy gear in vDSR HM prog group) A lot of ''bigger'' content creators say a lot of strange or suboptimal things for no reason, or just straight up wrong harmful information that will disatvantage their audience and often openly antagonize endgame players aswell (not tank club on this one tbf but it is a trend) to be honest tank club is one of the lesser offenders overall on this trend but he should still be called out.
It's not disparaging them, it's correcting misinformation. If Hyper was the one in the wrong, or if both parties were correct, then maybe you could call it disparaging, but considering Tank Club is often the most cited and most used provider of tank advice, incorrect information from them is disseminated much more widely than most. Therefore, it's in everyone's best interest if people with more game knowledge make these kinds of corrections.
@@luchtt Fair point but I swear its been 3 videos that I have watched, I shall assume that there are more and I don't see the necessity. As I said in my initial point, you can still provide correct and accurate information without the mention of tank club. There are so many content creators on RUclips who put out inaccurate information day in and day out and I rarely see them getting "called out".
Meta meta meta meta. Bla bla bla. There are multiple ways to get something done.. no need for both crimson oath and tremorscale. Just put your dps on 2 light. Wooptie doo all your dps just lost 2k damage. Wooowweww. However u have an extra set available. Seriously do u even know what meta means? Most effective TACTICS available. TACTICS, as in multiple.
This guide is now also on my website - hyperioxes.com/eso-tank-sets
Brilliant work hyper. I’m working on off tanking vRG for the first time. Done the HM as dd but will train myself in the vet trials on my fresh necro tank.
Nice one dude. Great to have a source of clarity when there are so many faulty assumptions out there.
Common Tank Club L
Wow straight to the point! Love it! Much better than that tank club nab.
Oh a top 5 addon video would be cool, not the standard but like a quirky addon stuff for like synergy timing or specific fights idk
Very based Mr Hyper 😎 tastiest polish foods video next?
Wow is it the real fizz??
Dont silvercat will list ketchup on pizza ☠️☠️☠️☠️
Really really good video, us new guys need all the tanking advice we can get.
SInce when do Tanks become "Group assist buffers"? This is a healers job. Not a tanks. The first 2 sets are pure "Heavy set for healers" in my opinion. It does nothing to aid the group as the tank role.
I use dragons appetite and tormentor. Just for duegeon runs literally hard to get the pug group going in deugeon finder cause some dlc duegeons literally players die to the easiest mechanics such as avoid aoe and seeing a delay aoe. I finished off most bosses especially castle thorn two times wasn’t hard mode but they gave me 130k gold for effort in end when the group can’t see the aoe light when the last boss does the bat swarm shit
Great video man! Short and concise, just the essential we need. Thanks! 🏆
Maybe you could do an additional one with the "must have monster sets"?
I was thinking of using Magma/Saxhleel/Crimson for my new necro tank that I would use mostly in 4 men dungeons... any thoughts about that?
I will make a monster set one. Magma/Saxhleel/Crimson sounds good
awesome videos dude
keep it up
Nice video 👍
Superb, mate. Clear, accurate and interesting. Keep up the great work. 👍
I'd love to learn some trials if anyone but can't find a good group to help. I'm on Xbox
Tank club is correct, as there is a pen cap on all bosses. Most other buff sets will increase the damage more then the pen from tremorscale alone
Probably could have included elfbane in very situational as it’s been used in a few trials scenarios
he knows he pioneered it
I'll talk about Elfbane in upcoming video
Drake's Rush for dungeon run is great as well, major heroism can do wonders for the group.
@@Dolbic. same with Arkasis
Ahh the Daily Tankclub roast Video 📸
Where's Leeching and Winter's Respite?? Xynode said they were good 😟😡
Not seeing plague doctor either...
@@XYZ_55 very true
because xynode doesn't know anything
Can you bring gear lists, and explanations to your website?
Are u going to be making a templar tank guide just out of curiosity?
Yep
Hey, is there any known good set up for no-death in vet dungeons? Or should i just go with normal meta set ups
I use normal setups, I know some ppl use Saxhleel and spam Barriers to make it easier
Hey buddy thanks for the video! Im currently trying to put a vet raid together (HM in the future). What would be the groups setup? Speaking of sets etc., I cant really find any videos to it. I dont really know which buffs are important and essential, also I dont know how to plan a raid with 2 bosses or 1 boss
Hey, can you specify which trial?
@@Hyperioxes Sorry I saw your reply kind of late. Lets take vDSR for example. For the first boss, do you want to use 2 players using ZenKosh and 2 players using EC? Or on what buffs/penetration etc. are we generally looking for in a boss fight?
@@ZephioGaming No, you dont use Alkosh there, bring only one EC and Z'en, the best way we've found around penetration in this fight was having both tanks on Tremorscale and DDs adjusting to it by having a few light pieces and/or sets with penetration set bonuses like Tzogvin
@@Hyperioxes Interesting. It might be a good idea for a future video to give general full raid comp guides as a "general" for new trial runners or returning trial runners on what a good group composition should look like
Generally speaking of course. Not to include special situation trials like vCR+3 that takes a mini 3rd tank
I tried to put MK on a tank once. Pretty sure he still hates me :)
Is using a torugs pact infused ice staff with a Crushing enchant a decent substitute for crimson oath/ alkosh? I figured this might work at least until I get the the real sets.
It's much less than Crimson Oath/Alkosh but there's nothing better until you get these and you gotta start somewhere
Question from your DK tank build. If I don't have the Spaulder shoulder piece for the trash set. should i just run 2 piece magma? or just wear archdruid through out
the entirety of the dungeon?
In my DK tank build I'm using Yolnahkriin on trash so 2-piece Magma wouldn't make sense since Minor Courage is already there, you can use Archdruid throughout entire dungeon
I have normal yol, PA, and run Spaulder of ruin. Is this a good set up to be a main tank in vetvtrial content or do you recommend something else. Thanks
Saw an answer lower. Assuming I wear yol already would you make PW front bar and yol backbar? Thanks
You can't one bar PW, you have to double bar PW and backbar Yolna
I honestly thought Pearlescent Ward works more like 6% dmg mitigation per dead person when in trial so 11/12 twelve dead people=66% and 22%/dead person when in a four man group, cause like - why would you count yourself since the effect of the set wouldn't work anyways if you're dead, would it?
It does work when you're dead
@@Hyperioxes that's really good to know, thank you :o
How much dmg boost does it give wirh full trials groupe? 170?
Im curious in 4 man if Tremorscale and Crimson would be best for pugs as you cant guarantee who’s wearing light pieces. Skinny Cheeks video says its a 17% increase to dps. would that outperform using TT and Yolna?
Came here to ask basically this exact question lol
Yolna is about 3-4% DPS increase with TT maybe 8% for the burst time when it's active. So I would personally say yes. Also most medium DPS sets are a lot better than light. For example after running a few tests, I personally had better results with Relequen (medium) than Whorl (light) even on the 3M dummy and in vSS portals (so underpenning with relequen). This will vary from class to class and be affected by a few factors but overall medium is very often worth running even if you're underpenning as the DD.
I'd go with Tremorscale/TT/Olorime, I feel like with Tremor and Crimson you'd be providing very little to light armor DDs, but also I have no clue what type of armor is worn more frequently in pugs
If i run without armor cap and im using crimson oath just doing pug vet dungeons on an alt, is it more viable to use something other than tremorscale?
Spaulder of Ruin or Archdruid should be better but it's not a big deal
Out of curiosity assuming all sets are available what is the most optimal setup for a main tank and off tank in trials??
Situational)
It's very situational but most universal would be Yolna/PW on MT and Sax/PA on OT
I'm a dk only cp 390 I got turning tides and got nazaray shoulders, working on getting the helm but damn vsrr is hard and I'm still squishy idk what to do 😂
You can get decent Major Force uptime with 2 tanks and 2 healers on horn without Saxheel can’t you?
I think the point of Saxheel Necro tank is that you can run a higher damage ult on your necro DD, or just run less necros. And also being able to use Shell / Barrier like you said.
You'll still get better uptime with Sax Colo and 2 Horns
Yall remember when ebon set was a thing? Good times lol
How do you use crimson oath. Back bar or body ?
im working on setting up a good dk necro warden and arcanist tanks just wondering are sax pearlescent and yolnahkrin usually only on the body im just wondering before i start reconstructing those sets and wouldnt want to spend transmutes twice
Pearlescent is usually on body as you'll always have to double bar it, Sax and Yolna can be used on either body or jewelry+weapons
Is it required for main tank to cap resistances (33000) for vet trials?
It's not required but it helps a lot so if you ever start having issues with surviving capping out your armor is the first step in improving your build
What would generally be the best tank sets for a dungeon group running 1T 3dd if the 3dd are heavy attack builds in all medium gear
I am currently wearing turning tide, drakes rush and nazaray or engine guardian if I’m struggling.
Tremorscale + Crimson Oath + (Olorime or Turning Tide) would be my guess but I don't know much about heavy attack builds
What trials/situations would you say mora's whispers is best worn in?
It's not a tank mythic
@@alexbrowne9566 lol I know this but at one point in the video he says alkosh can help you reach pen cap in trials where mora's is best (since you need 1 light to reach pen cap with alkosh). And I'm curious which trials he is referring to.
@@gocity9 For most trials, Kilt will be your best mythic. There are a few exceptions where Kilt doesn't work very well. Mostly trials where you take direct damage that removes Kilt stacks. For example Oaxiltso in vRG, Rakkhat in vMoL. Bow Breaker in vDSR. There probably are many others. I personally don't run Mora's too much so take it with a grain of sand. Someone else can maybe pitch in more.
Another option could be if you're playing for example Nightblade or Khajiit and you are at crit damage cap already without Kilt, then Mora's would perform better.
Also for short burst or quick fights where Kilt doesn't have much time to stack up. Especially trash fights or very fast and short boss fights / dungeons.
What would you suggest running on a Dungeon Tank Build Backbar? I have Tremorscale and Turning Tide body. Drakes Rush or PA Backbar? I mostly play with friends (2 DD's and 1 Healer) so the "use ult on cooldown" part can be easely communicated.
PA
what are must have sets?
What about tormentor set?
How much pen does tremorscale provide when the tank has capped resistances?
Tremorscale provides 8% of your armor as penetration so with 33k it'd provide 2640 pen. If you're using Puncturing Remedy and you're at cap without it, using Pierce Armor will proc both Puncturing Remedy and Tremorscale and with 39k armor you'll provide 3120 armor
whoa, after that your advice about traits (reiforced vs sturdy) starting to play with much brighter colours (hope English have same idiom)
This is a very late comment but how relevant is this video for U41?
Yolnahkriin isn't relevant anymore because of Arcanists, everything else stays the same, there are no good new sets
@@Hyperioxes Thanks for the insight! Love your content btw it's always good to see a Top tier tank giving actual good information!
¿Chest motif name ?
The one in the video is Black Drake Clanwrap Jerkin, the one in thumbnail is Ebonsteel Knight Cuirass
A little harsh vs another content creator no? It's possible to disagree with someone without being super rude...
wtfrick no elfbane? 🕵️
Please make a vid about one bar tank builds!
Buut hyper.. what about lEEcHiNG pLAtE
I don't really understand why there is this interest and investement in consistently disparaging the tank club. You can make videos, push out information/ content without doing so. Its getting weird.
Perhaps you don't have all the details of the situation?
The reason is because he wastes a lot of time from people running suboptimal or straight up harmful stuff and asking him for advice. Telling people to stay away from tank club's stuff (for endgame specifically i mean) is a positive for him because its less work helping people in dms. And especially for newer players who want to get into endgame fast, having it be known that the tank club is not a very good source of reliable info saves them a lot of time (you really dont want your tank rolling up in 8x sturdy gear in vDSR HM prog group)
A lot of ''bigger'' content creators say a lot of strange or suboptimal things for no reason, or just straight up wrong harmful information that will disatvantage their audience and often openly antagonize endgame players aswell (not tank club on this one tbf but it is a trend)
to be honest tank club is one of the lesser offenders overall on this trend but he should still be called out.
It's not disparaging them, it's correcting misinformation. If Hyper was the one in the wrong, or if both parties were correct, then maybe you could call it disparaging, but considering Tank Club is often the most cited and most used provider of tank advice, incorrect information from them is disseminated much more widely than most.
Therefore, it's in everyone's best interest if people with more game knowledge make these kinds of corrections.
@@luchtt Fair point but I swear its been 3 videos that I have watched, I shall assume that there are more and I don't see the necessity. As I said in my initial point, you can still provide correct and accurate information without the mention of tank club. There are so many content creators on RUclips who put out inaccurate information day in and day out and I rarely see them getting "called out".
@@Eloquence00 Using a different synonym doesn't change my point. Ultimately its pinning the tank club in a bad light. Its almost moral grandstanding.
Meta meta meta meta. Bla bla bla.
There are multiple ways to get something done.. no need for both crimson oath and tremorscale. Just put your dps on 2 light. Wooptie doo all your dps just lost 2k damage. Wooowweww. However u have an extra set available.
Seriously do u even know what meta means? Most effective TACTICS available. TACTICS, as in multiple.
it's tactic as in singular you dumbo
My question is . What should I use on my tank if I have in my group dd with ocensol ring