I feel like painting my face blue, making a longsword out of stuff around the house to throw while shouting FREEEDDOOMMM!! Righteous pod Jocko sir. Thank ya.
Your opening letter reads...? Some if the most powerful and moving content on RUclips. I love coming back to the podcast to find you got a book lined up... No one does better reads..
This is a really dark subject. People who are extremely intelligent that have absolutely no common sense whatsoever. On the other hand, the Japanese "holdouts" did their best to avoid suicide.
@Crude Wildfire I meant Hiroo Onoda. He ended up living for 30 years on an island, almost to the end of Vietnam War. Apparently, the paleo diet was right for him.
Jocko, you should cover the Yugoslavian War, where a small nation Croatia back in 1991 fought for its independency and defended its teritory fighting a conventional war in modern times in south-eastern Europe not so long ago (back in the daaayz!), Croatians stood there ALONE and without any direct interventions of foreign military forces. The controverse major military operation Storm was the last major battle of the Croatian War of Independence and a major factor in the outcome of the Bosnian War (also known after the biggest genocide on the European soil after WW2, genocide in a town Srebrenica ). The operation Storm itself followed an unsuccessful UN peacekeeping mission and diplomatic efforts to settle the conflict. Controverse is because from the military point of view it was a masterpiece by itself designed by Croatians to free the great portion of land that was held by Serb forces. The operation Storm is still being taught in various military academies across the world. Politically speaking Croatians were accused of ethnically cleansing by occupying forces...very thin line. Complicated story but worth to cover.
Great analysis of a powerful historical document. This topic is significant and I appreciate all the time and effort put into this conversation. On several occasions during the conversation you were caught up in considering the impact of this document on you as individuals and lost sight of the broader impact. The significance of this document lies in the fact that it was written to control the perceptions and ideals of society. Our United States is founded with a separation between church and state in order to prevent this form of tyranny. A moral guideline implemented on an individual basis may develop a healthy society, yet the same morality forcefully implemented from top down will have the opposite effect. Bryan Eldred
Dan Carlin's Supernova in East I & II is phenomenal supplement/addition to this. Who my kidding, anyone HERE is in The Game and already listened to it.
Amazing episode! I was stationed in Yokosuka from 2006-2008. I would highly recommend visiting the Chiran Peace Museum for Kamikaze Pilots in Kagoshima. It blew my mind and really challenged my thinking about the war. Those young boys were forced to write those letters in praise of Japan and The Emperor. The familial stuff is all real, though. At the museum they have hundreds of the original letters, planes used in the Kamikaze attacks they pulled out of the Pacific, and film footage of the war that Americans have never seen unless you go there. The Japanese had planes that flew along side the Kamikaze, filming the attacks.
Kudos to Jocko for pointing out that the letters are "sickening" at 5:30. It takes a wiser mind to not glorify this history. I respect how Jocko points this out, as it is sad for kids to beleive that they are subjects, if not bombs, of a King while parents can do nothing but send their sons away.
I was surprised Jocko didn’t point out that this was such a great document.... that the Japanese totally disregarded. To the point of doing the complete opposite. Every good point the document brought up they did the complete opposite. Except due pointlessly for the empower, they did that...
A buddy of jocko from jujitsu land who does the videography i think. To me he's the kind of 'chill' that keeps jocko connected to less disciplined slobs like myself. Or something like that. He isn't ex military.
I'd be asking "Ay, Jock, w-why are you talking with that knife in your hand? You think you're a badass or sumthing? Talking to me like you're fucking Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now, ain'tcha? What, are you going to carve a wooden spear or some shit like that? Drop that shit!"
The thing to me that sounds off about this particular cultural doctrine is how it seems each person is born with a heavy debt yoked to them. People don't decide to be born their parents decide to have them and immediately saddle them with the burden of honoring and supporting their parents and serving the empire. It doesn't seem clear when or if they're allowed to be their own independent person and at what point. So are they just born to be a higher form of service animal to the empire and their parents? That's a criminal waste of latent talents and human potential.
8:50 couple of close-to-source articles on Japanese WWII kamikazes - www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/619508.html - www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/05/15/national/taiwanese-kamikaze-looks-back/#.XOcifKN_VIk
Jocko mentioned how the code required them to give up their individuality for the sake of the collective, and it dawned on me the dichotomy of being both an individual AND simultaneously apart of something greater. These days you hear a lot about "we are all one" or collective consciousness, and I get it. It sounds cool, but when they say that there are no differences or separations between us? That's when logically it falls on itself because the fact is that we're all unique individuals. Does that mean we can't come together? Not at all. It's naive to believe that differences will prevent us from being unified. The way I see it, we can come together in spite of them. TLDR; I agree with Jocko saying you can be an individual and apart of a collective at the same time.
Good episode! For final thoughts, I believe America won by other means, especially 1.) Americans were attacked and are willing to fight back. 2.) through better mass production of weapons/equipment. Comparing cultural motivation of the combatant is hard enough since any nation/state that don't (fully-) follow freedom-based/democracy systems are capable of being superpowers by effectively producing good modern soldiers and in conquering lands (i.e. Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, USSR, Russian Federation). Perhaps in an alternate history, the Axis powers would've won WWII or that USSR is #1 but gladly not in this timeline! I do believe each combatant can fight better when their motivation aligns with the motivation of others, especially in respect with the culture of the country where the combatant is represented; the American soldier who grew up in Democracy/Freedom-based systems is as effective as the Imperial Japanese soldier who grew up with Dharmic/Confucian/Imperial-based systems.
ww2 japanese kamikazes used meth and maybe also something like ecstacy or mdma. Americans, British, and the Germans also used meth or amphetamine en masse. Montgomery personally ensured that troops were supplied with speed pills in preparation for his unstoppable assault at El Alamein. Finnish used masses of heroin (my personal favourite) and also meth. (more heroin was used per capita in Finland than anywhere else in the world.) The Russians, wodka.
'Medal Winner Links His Bravery to Marijuana A Medal of Honor winner says he was “stoned” on marijuana the night he fought off two waves of Vietcong soldiers and won America's highest military honor. “It was the only time I ever went into combat stoned,” Peter Lemon, 21 years old, said in Tawas City during an interview with The Detroit Free Press.
What Jocko says here about Kamikaze attacks being ineffective is false. They were the best tactic the Japanese had, this excellent video explains why despite the low success rate, it was better than the alternatives: ruclips.net/video/QqwDvxLVZII/видео.html Essentially US anti-air defense was so good, and Japanese losses so high, that they had far *fewer* losses with kamikaze tactics than with attacks where pilots aimed to survive.
Finally caught up! Started 2 years ago with #1. Jocko and Echo thank you for the path!
Lol, thought I was being slow. Took me about 8 months.
I feel like painting my face blue, making a longsword out of stuff around the house to throw while shouting FREEEDDOOMMM!!
Righteous pod Jocko sir. Thank ya.
Your opening letter reads...? Some if the most powerful and moving content on RUclips. I love coming back to the podcast to find you got a book lined up... No one does better reads..
This is a really dark subject. People who are extremely intelligent that have absolutely no common sense whatsoever. On the other hand, the Japanese "holdouts" did their best to avoid suicide.
@Crude Wildfire I meant Hiroo Onoda. He ended up living for 30 years on an island, almost to the end of Vietnam War. Apparently, the paleo diet was right for him.
Love when you have all the vets on. Watch them all. Thank you all for your service
Jocko, you should cover the Yugoslavian War, where a small nation Croatia back in 1991 fought for its independency and defended its teritory fighting a conventional war in modern times in south-eastern Europe not so long ago (back in the daaayz!), Croatians stood there ALONE and without any direct interventions of foreign military forces. The controverse major military operation Storm was the last major battle of the Croatian War of Independence and a major factor in the outcome of the Bosnian War (also known after the biggest genocide on the European soil after WW2, genocide in a town Srebrenica ). The operation Storm itself followed an unsuccessful UN peacekeeping mission and diplomatic efforts to settle the conflict. Controverse is because from the military point of view it was a masterpiece by itself designed by Croatians to free the great portion of land that was held by Serb forces. The operation Storm is still being taught in various military academies across the world. Politically speaking Croatians were accused of ethnically cleansing by occupying forces...very thin line. Complicated story but worth to cover.
A business that incorporates reading so many books, learning and teaching is so awesome!
Great analysis of a powerful historical document. This topic is significant and I appreciate all the time and effort put into this conversation.
On several occasions during the conversation you were caught up in considering the impact of this document on you as individuals and lost sight of the broader impact.
The significance of this document lies in the fact that it was written to control the perceptions and ideals of society.
Our United States is founded with a separation between church and state in order to prevent this form of tyranny.
A moral guideline implemented on an individual basis may develop a healthy society, yet the same morality forcefully implemented from top down will have the opposite effect.
Bryan Eldred
Echo Charles showing much improvement these last podcasts.
How so
I was just talking to a friend about the "flexibility of loyalty" and modes of obedience. Good upload.
Dan Carlin's Supernova in East I & II is phenomenal supplement/addition to this. Who my kidding, anyone HERE is in The Game and already listened to it.
Just listened to supernova 6 yesterday then this one. Great pair of podcasts.
Amazing episode! I was stationed in Yokosuka from 2006-2008. I would highly recommend visiting the Chiran Peace Museum for Kamikaze Pilots in Kagoshima. It blew my mind and really challenged my thinking about the war. Those young boys were forced to write those letters in praise of Japan and The Emperor. The familial stuff is all real, though. At the museum they have hundreds of the original letters, planes used in the Kamikaze attacks they pulled out of the Pacific, and film footage of the war that Americans have never seen unless you go there. The Japanese had planes that flew along side the Kamikaze, filming the attacks.
This is Brilliant ! Thank you Gentlemen. This is most helpful. I took notes, and noted your supplements.
You should get Josh Bridges, Chad Williams, Shawn Ryan, Jonathan B. Allen, or John Danaher on
Jocko: What happens to Rock n Roll bands?
Echo: ... their valor gets sapped???
Check. 42:55
A trick : you can watch movies at Flixzone. Me and my gf have been using them for watching all kinds of movies recently.
@Khari Ezekiel Definitely, been using flixzone for since december myself :)
@Khari Ezekiel Yea, I have been using flixzone for years myself :D
@Khari Ezekiel Yup, I've been using Flixzone for since november myself =)
@Khari Ezekiel Yea, I've been watching on flixzone for since december myself :D
Dang. Echo looks jacked.
"Luxury saps valour"
*gang gang*
Amazing podcasts.. these are treasures.
Echo indeed looks JACKED!!!!!!
Yeah.. That was my first thought as well. I hadnt seen the youtube for a while because i was i was listening to the podcast.
Thanks again Echo and Jocko.
Excellent - can’t wait to go through this.
Good evening, Echo.
DGB120 Good evening.
Man I love your videos, you have helped me in ways I can't even post about on social media, thank you Jocko and Echo
Jocks reminds me of a brick wall but a smart and intellectual brick wall
Great solid conclusion Jocko. You are the man!
*me listening on 3x speed when Jocko starts trying to talk fast*
SPEED IT UP LETS GOOOOOO
1:22:05 Cool quote :D seems true ;)
Hey Jocko and Echo! If you aren't familiar with Cary Kolat you should check him out. It would be a great podcast if you could get him on the show
Kudos to Jocko for pointing out that the letters are "sickening" at 5:30.
It takes a wiser mind to not glorify this history.
I respect how Jocko points this out, as it is sad for kids to beleive that they are subjects, if not bombs, of a King while parents can do nothing but send their sons away.
"We're not doing that in A-MER-I-CA" gang gang
Man that closing was epic. Not matter what goes on with our borders, from sea to shining sea nothing can defeat that American spirit, indeed.
I was surprised Jocko didn’t point out that this was such a great document.... that the Japanese totally disregarded. To the point of doing the complete opposite. Every good point the document brought up they did the complete opposite. Except due pointlessly for the empower, they did that...
Hey I'm new to Jocko's podcast, can anyone fill me in on who Echo Charles is?
A buddy of jocko from jujitsu land who does the videography i think. To me he's the kind of 'chill' that keeps jocko connected to less disciplined slobs like myself. Or something like that. He isn't ex military.
@@nequals151 lol thanks bro, I appreciate the response
Echo Charles is jaaaaacked!
Holy shit look at this absolute unit
Be a rebel. Obey more than your friends.
You cant be a rebel if you obey!! NEVER OBEY!
@@neverobey1477 YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME I'M GOING TO OBEY SO HARD
Eddie Price nice
I'd be asking "Ay, Jock, w-why are you talking with that knife in your hand? You think you're a badass or sumthing? Talking to me like you're fucking Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now, ain'tcha? What, are you going to carve a wooden spear or some shit like that? Drop that shit!"
The thing to me that sounds off about this particular cultural doctrine is how it seems each person is born with a heavy debt yoked to them. People don't decide to be born their parents decide to have them and immediately saddle them with the burden of honoring and supporting their parents and serving the empire. It doesn't seem clear when or if they're allowed to be their own independent person and at what point.
So are they just born to be a higher form of service animal to the empire and their parents? That's a criminal waste of latent talents and human potential.
8:50 couple of close-to-source articles on Japanese WWII kamikazes
- www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/619508.html
- www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/05/15/national/taiwanese-kamikaze-looks-back/#.XOcifKN_VIk
Good evening, comment section.
Jocko mentioned how the code required them to give up their individuality for the sake of the collective, and it dawned on me the dichotomy of being both an individual AND simultaneously apart of something greater.
These days you hear a lot about "we are all one" or collective consciousness, and I get it. It sounds cool, but when they say that there are no differences or separations between us? That's when logically it falls on itself because the fact is that we're all unique individuals. Does that mean we can't come together? Not at all. It's naive to believe that differences will prevent us from being unified. The way I see it, we can come together in spite of them.
TLDR; I agree with Jocko saying you can be an individual and apart of a collective at the same time.
🙏🏼
what Podcast mic is used, it's so bassy
Good episode! For final thoughts, I believe America won by other means, especially 1.) Americans were attacked and are willing to fight back. 2.) through better mass production of weapons/equipment. Comparing cultural motivation of the combatant is hard enough since any nation/state that don't (fully-) follow freedom-based/democracy systems are capable of being superpowers by effectively producing good modern soldiers and in conquering lands (i.e. Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, USSR, Russian Federation). Perhaps in an alternate history, the Axis powers would've won WWII or that USSR is #1 but gladly not in this timeline! I do believe each combatant can fight better when their motivation aligns with the motivation of others, especially in respect with the culture of the country where the combatant is represented; the American soldier who grew up in Democracy/Freedom-based systems is as effective as the Imperial Japanese soldier who grew up with Dharmic/Confucian/Imperial-based systems.
39:57 Calling out Theo Von, gang gang. Luxury saps valor.
MAKE MUAY THAI SHORTS!!!!!
48 laws of power
Bro, if Cosco had jocko Mölk or other good stuff, I buy them by the pack:)
Ciso Perez Dude you can order them online by the truck load, pallet, or single packages.
Thanks broski
ww2
japanese kamikazes used meth and maybe also something like ecstacy or mdma.
Americans, British, and the Germans also used meth or amphetamine en masse.
Montgomery personally ensured that troops were supplied with speed pills in preparation for his unstoppable assault at El Alamein.
Finnish used masses of heroin (my personal favourite) and also meth.
(more heroin was used per capita in Finland than anywhere else in the world.)
The Russians, wodka.
matt burnett I was waiting for Jocko to mention the meth usage
Interesting.
'Medal Winner Links His Bravery to Marijuana
A Medal of Honor winner says he was “stoned” on marijuana the night he fought off two waves of Vietcong soldiers and won America's highest military honor.
“It was the only time I ever went into combat stoned,” Peter Lemon, 21 years old, said in Tawas City during an interview with The Detroit Free Press.
What Jocko says here about Kamikaze attacks being ineffective is false. They were the best tactic the Japanese had, this excellent video explains why despite the low success rate, it was better than the alternatives: ruclips.net/video/QqwDvxLVZII/видео.html
Essentially US anti-air defense was so good, and Japanese losses so high, that they had far *fewer* losses with kamikaze tactics than with attacks where pilots aimed to survive.
Jocko, kamikazes were more effective than any conventional attacks Japanese would have tempted.
Jaco eats nails and drinks diesel fuel for breakfast he's a wild man.
No, it's Mölk and Discipline.
@@officialyoutubecommentator4357 it's just a joke I was saying the man is a badass.
@@watchdog2266 For sure he is.
I'm 32, male, never had a girl in my life. Its not a good idea. I might be kinda broken now 😕