I remember being bored one afternoon scrolling through movies on Netflix and saw this and said "why not" I wasn't really looking for anything more than just a pass time. How naive I was this movie absorbed me I became just as obsessed as the people involved in finding the zodiac killer. Great movie.
Another fantastic video essay. Can we just take a second to appreciate how incredible David Shire's score for this movie is?! Thanks for using the theme in this video - now I totally need to rewatch the movie...
Dude, I subscribed to you the other day and this is my favourite movie of all time! Zodiac fascinates me the same way as a great book, you can pick up time and time again. I haven't met or heard another person say they've seen it, let alone enjoy it as I have!
Throughout the entire video I had that Neil Tyson quote in mind and then you ended it with the very quote . . . Props, man. Now I'm going to smoke a bowl and rewatch Zodiac for the 100th time.
You’re doing good work here brother. It’s easy to critique a film based on its flaws. I always love it when videos are made singing the praises of brilliant films, especially ones that often overlooked. Kudos, man.
Great video. This is definitely my favorite David Fincher movie and it's probably in my top ten all time favorite movies as well. I have seen it countless times now and still notice something new each time.
No idea why these have started showing up in my feed five years after coming out, and no idea how they still have so few views and likes. Just as good analysis and editing as any of the better-known movie theory channels. Great stuff. Sorry it never took off at the time.
You're right. Edward Norton (Fight Club) and Jodie Foster (Panic Room) are probably the most likeable characters of all of Fincher's protagonists, and that's pretty sad. I would include Ben Affleck but I hate Ben Affleck.
iCroissant: "I _would_ include Ben Affleck [🤔] but I _hate_ Ben Affleck [😡]." Surely the *greatest line* in the *_ENTIRETY_* of the whole comment section, generated in response to this video! _Kudos,_ iCroissant! _Kudos!!!👏👏👏☺️_
I've seen only FIght Club and Social Network so far, so I might very well be wrong thanks to missing *boatloads* of information, but... from the way he said "I think people are perverts", ...it didn't sound condescending, or... negative, it was more like amused, exploratory fascination.
I disagree with Benjamin Button. It's not about romance, it's about death, which is consistent with what he likes to touch on. It's not one of his best, but it's still certainly good.
+Jesus Josh was just highlighting the fact that Zodiac, being a far superior movie in terms of technical quality, received zero Academy Award nominations while Benjamin Button received 13.
Benjamin Button is Finchers most personal film. He made this after the death of his father and this was his way to not only grieve, but also honor his father memory.
2007: once no country for old men there will be blood the assassination of jesse james by the coward robert ford zodiac the film gods blessed this year...
Hey dude, I only just found these and I've been marathoning all of your "Movies I Love" film analyses and they're brilliant. Many of those films are also movies I love, and I found myself learning so much more about them and having an even deeper appreciation and richer understanding of them for having watched your videos. Thanks for making these man, they're top quality and highly enjoyable. Can't wait for more!
having been a sub for awhile and fincher being my favorite filmmaker, you hit a point in the first few minutes that's been in my mind about this film being the mark where he developed his own style. while not taking away from seven and fight club(which are near perfect), this film I feel is like his personal masterpiece for the simple reason that the case is never offically sovled, a perfectionist's nightmare/nagging insipiration. keep up the amazing work dude!
David Fincher, our modern day Kubrick. He's made many a masterpiece with only a few flawed films. I actually loved The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, but The Social Network or Zodiac are definitely his best films
Literally just came off watching this movie for the first time and I went to your channel because I thought you already made one for some reason... Thanks for the good timing and great video haha
you truly make some of the most interesting videos on here, i also love zodiac, had the pleasure of introducing it to my girlfriend a few months ago and although she enjoyed it, it frustrated the hell out of her! it is certainly in my top 10, maybe 5 of all time.
Impeccable analysis. I'll have to watch the film again and see if I can pick up anything new emotion wise. Zodiac has always been my favorite Fincher flick, and he's one of the top directors in terms of inspiration and storytelling admiration. Hopefully this video can be viewed by more people and Zodiac can be better understood has the brilliant piece of cinema that it is.
Great Insights man, Wanted to ask you how much time it will take to make these videos. Do you do some background research about the movies or just discuss things among your friends.
I love the review of a great (and somewhat overlooked) movie. One thing you didn't mention was Robert Downey Jr's performance, which I though was fantastic. He's since gotten a lot of accolades for completely owning the Iron Man persona but Zodiac was a very impressive dramatic role that I loved throughout the entire movie.
I remember walking out of a movie, seeing a poster for Zodiac, seeing Fincher was the director, and I decided then and there I was watching the next showing, college classes be damned.
Ok I just discovered your channel about an hour ago and I already love it, your content is quality and your analysis is on point, you deserve a lot more subscribers !
I love Zodiac. I can watch it every time it's on. So underrated IMO. Hey, have you seen the movie Sleepers? I think you would like it, just by looking at your movie taste, which is very good btw.
What do you guys think about the animal crackers and Dave Toschi? I noticed that throughout the entire film, he relies on his partner to provide the crackers, or when they talk shop at a diner, he either eats his partner's food or makes him pay for it. The only time he throws down is at the end of the story, when Graysmith gives him the whole exposition at their last meeting at the diner.
I found your review pretty interesting. It makes me want to see the film. The only thing is, does David Fincher want to be the next Erich Von Stroheim ? 70+ retakes of a scene seems to me to be excessive. I think you can use the emotional spontaneity that comes from earlier takes. The only justifying thing I can think of is that he wanted to wear the actors down, because their characters were worn down (and, I don't agree with that). But, if he tried this with actors like Brando, Sinatra, or Nicholson - They would leave the set after 3 takes.
This was made 6 years ago, and after two years of continually watching people around us die from a virus, the most popular Netflix show is Dahmer. God damn it.
Funny that your main series about sharing love for movies other people might not have love for themselves is the one with spoilers. Not criticising, just saying. Brilliant movie, and tip top video. Thanks
It's hard to talk in-depth about a movie without getting into the minutiae of the plot (sometimes). I never intend for anyone to watch these without having seen the movie first.
+John Barnett Animation I have videos on The Social Network and Fight Club! (Head to vimeo for the Fight Club one; that's a long-standing copyright issue with RUclips)
I disagree on the "no one but Fincher" part at 1:00. I'd say the look from those screen shots could be from other movies. Those are just nice shots from the movies. What makes Fincher Fincher, really, is more the movement of his camera and the nihilistic themes he brings to his movies.
I love this Movie! For me it's the best David Fincher Film! (Well i have to say that I am really intrested in the Zodiac Killer Stroy/True Crime) So I'm going to susbricbe to you!
Zodiac is my favorite Fincher film but I disagree with you about Benjamin Button. The biggest criticism is that it is too similar to Forrest Gump. And while it does have similar themes, I think it is a great movie.
While I agree that Zodiac is a very uber Fincher movie. Nobody could have directed Se7en but David Fincher. Every single frame has so much attention to detail and so many creative and inventive shots that only he could have done it. Let's say the director of American History X has a crack at it, there would be too much medium zoom shots, incoherent action, and zero creativity in angles, etc, etc.
I honestly find the newer David Fincher movies; Social Network, Gone Girl, Dragon Tattoo to be void of the great Fincher qualities apart from very superficial stuff like lighting and filters. They are bland in comparison to the attention to detail that is in Se7en. Zodiac was like Fincher's last effort at making creative choices with the camera and in it's display, the use of stark yellows for example. Everything else has been bland to look at, empty/not lived in in comparison to Se7en and overally grey in it's display.
disagree, fight club has a more unique look/style than zodiac by a mile... in fact, i was shocked by yours statement.... to me zodiac always looked like a shot for tv movie
+Starfire media -chris I uploaded it last night, but it took too long and I fell asleep. RUclips picks your default thumbnail, and you can't change the thumbnail until after it's uploaded (which I just did).
Or was it hoax letters, to keep media interest in the case going? It should have made him a suspect, or helped the real killer get away, but the film skirted over it.
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I remember being bored one afternoon scrolling through movies on Netflix and saw this and said "why not" I wasn't really looking for anything more than just a pass time. How naive I was this movie absorbed me I became just as obsessed as the people involved in finding the zodiac killer. Great movie.
this is actually my favorite film of finchers. With social network being an extremely close second.
+Adriano Vazquez +1 for your avatar. Thats my favorite poster of all time. I'm all about that Bass.
Another fantastic video essay.
Can we just take a second to appreciate how incredible David Shire's score for this movie is?! Thanks for using the theme in this video - now I totally need to rewatch the movie...
I actually didn't realize how good the score is until I was making this video. It's subtle but so effective. Love the trumpet bits.
YESSS! Zodiac is so underrated.
Dude, I subscribed to you the other day and this is my favourite movie of all time! Zodiac fascinates me the same way as a great book, you can pick up time and time again.
I haven't met or heard another person say they've seen it, let alone enjoy it as I have!
Great video essay. If you liked Zodiac, I highly recommend Bong Joon-ho's "Memories of Murder." It most DEFINITELY influenced Fincher for Zodiac.
I preferred Memories of a Murderer much better than Zodiac.
My all time favorite Fincher film. Thank you for taking the time to talk about it, keep doing what your doing.
Throughout the entire video I had that Neil Tyson quote in mind and then you ended it with the very quote . . . Props, man. Now I'm going to smoke a bowl and rewatch Zodiac for the 100th time.
as one does
You’re doing good work here brother. It’s easy to critique a film based on its flaws. I always love it when videos are made singing the praises of brilliant films, especially ones that often overlooked. Kudos, man.
Great video. This is definitely my favorite David Fincher movie and it's probably in my top ten all time favorite movies as well. I have seen it countless times now and still notice something new each time.
No idea why these have started showing up in my feed five years after coming out, and no idea how they still have so few views and likes. Just as good analysis and editing as any of the better-known movie theory channels. Great stuff. Sorry it never took off at the time.
I am really glad to see another favorite of mine presented by you. Waking up to see this kind of video really makes my morning! Well done.
You're right.
Edward Norton (Fight Club) and Jodie Foster (Panic Room) are probably the most likeable characters of all of Fincher's protagonists, and that's pretty sad.
I would include Ben Affleck but I hate Ben Affleck.
iCroissant: "I _would_ include Ben Affleck [🤔] but I _hate_ Ben Affleck [😡]."
Surely the *greatest line* in the *_ENTIRETY_* of the whole comment section, generated in response to this video!
_Kudos,_ iCroissant! _Kudos!!!👏👏👏☺️_
I've seen only FIght Club and Social Network so far, so I might very well be wrong thanks to missing *boatloads* of information, but... from the way he said "I think people are perverts", ...it didn't sound condescending, or... negative, it was more like amused, exploratory fascination.
I disagree with Benjamin Button. It's not about romance, it's about death, which is consistent with what he likes to touch on. It's not one of his best, but it's still certainly good.
+Jesus Josh was just highlighting the fact that Zodiac, being a far superior movie in terms of technical quality, received zero Academy Award nominations while Benjamin Button received 13.
Benjamin Button is Finchers most personal film. He made this after the death of his father and this was his way to not only grieve, but also honor his father memory.
2007:
once
no country for old men
there will be blood
the assassination of jesse james by the coward robert ford
zodiac
the film gods blessed this year...
Very good analysis of Fincher and the Zodiac. I really like the connections of Fincher and his works. I never noticed it before.
Well done!
There is a lot of CGI in "the social Network", actually i could not believe how much.Great channel!!
I LOVE these videos man, thank you for your hard work!
Hey dude, I only just found these and I've been marathoning all of your "Movies I Love" film analyses and they're brilliant. Many of those films are also movies I love, and I found myself learning so much more about them and having an even deeper appreciation and richer understanding of them for having watched your videos. Thanks for making these man, they're top quality and highly enjoyable. Can't wait for more!
The video thumbnail is from Gone Girl btw
EDIT: He changed it
I think he knows
+Bernado Garay he didn't want to glorify the killer
having been a sub for awhile and fincher being my favorite filmmaker, you hit a point in the first few minutes that's been in my mind about this film being the mark where he developed his own style. while not taking away from seven and fight club(which are near perfect), this film I feel is like his personal masterpiece for the simple reason that the case is never offically sovled, a perfectionist's nightmare/nagging insipiration. keep up the amazing work dude!
Good review, the editing has really improved from the earlier videos.
David Fincher, our modern day Kubrick. He's made many a masterpiece with only a few flawed films. I actually loved The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, but The Social Network or Zodiac are definitely his best films
I am so glad you made this video on Zodiac, love your vids!
Literally just came off watching this movie for the first time and I went to your channel because I thought you already made one for some reason... Thanks for the good timing and great video haha
you truly make some of the most interesting videos on here, i also love zodiac, had the pleasure of introducing it to my girlfriend a few months ago and although she enjoyed it, it frustrated the hell out of her! it is certainly in my top 10, maybe 5 of all time.
Impeccable analysis. I'll have to watch the film again and see if I can pick up anything new emotion wise. Zodiac has always been my favorite Fincher flick, and he's one of the top directors in terms of inspiration and storytelling admiration. Hopefully this video can be viewed by more people and Zodiac can be better understood has the brilliant piece of cinema that it is.
Great Insights man, Wanted to ask you how much time it will take to make these videos. Do you do some background research about the movies or just discuss things among your friends.
Glad you're back, man!!!
I love the review of a great (and somewhat overlooked) movie. One thing you didn't mention was Robert Downey Jr's performance, which I though was fantastic. He's since gotten a lot of accolades for completely owning the Iron Man persona but Zodiac was a very impressive dramatic role that I loved throughout the entire movie.
I remember walking out of a movie, seeing a poster for Zodiac, seeing Fincher was the director, and I decided then and there I was watching the next showing, college classes be damned.
Awesome analysis buddy...
Just keep em comin more frequently.. I LOVE YOUR CHOICES
Good video, the constant dinging was horrible though. One of Fincher's best for sure.
I looooove your work :D I guess you have a reason for not including Alien3 in the mash up of similarities in the movies?
Ok I just discovered your channel about an hour ago and I already love it, your content is quality and your analysis is on point, you deserve a lot more subscribers !
Personally I think Fincher did find his vision in Fight Club, it looks Fincher-esque and is very stylistically potent, still.
Great job, dude! Fantastic analysis.
This movie stayed with me for days after I saw it. Such a masterpiece. I'm a big fan of fincher also
fantastic video ! just saw this theme other day. this is my second favorite Fincher film only because of my obsessive love of fight club.
I love Zodiac. I can watch it every time it's on. So underrated IMO. Hey, have you seen the movie Sleepers? I think you would like it, just by looking at your movie taste, which is very good btw.
Welcome back 👍🏽👍🏽
This was a great analysis.
David Fincher is a true cinematic genius.
What do you guys think about the animal crackers and Dave Toschi? I noticed that throughout the entire film, he relies on his partner to provide the crackers, or when they talk shop at a diner, he either eats his partner's food or makes him pay for it.
The only time he throws down is at the end of the story, when Graysmith gives him the whole exposition at their last meeting at the diner.
I love this movie! so happy for this video.
great video man! I appreciate what you do and am happy you love this movie as much as I do
Great vids! I'd love to see some 60s
You should do like a "Top 10 Movies of the 2000s" Video
i absolutely adore this series
YEEEHAA new video. Love it. Love the film
Wow great analysis I guess i'm rematching it soon then.
You know, I'm not gonna lie, and I'm probably going to get ball-whipped for this...but Curious Case is my second favorite Fincher film lol
I think this is my favourite david fincher film
I found your review pretty interesting. It makes me want to see the film. The only thing is, does David Fincher want to be the next Erich Von Stroheim ? 70+ retakes of a scene seems to me to be excessive. I think you can use the emotional spontaneity that comes from earlier takes. The only justifying thing I can think of is that he wanted to wear the actors down, because their characters were worn down (and, I don't agree with that). But, if he tried this with actors like Brando, Sinatra, or Nicholson - They would leave the set after 3 takes.
This was made 6 years ago, and after two years of continually watching people around us die from a virus, the most popular Netflix show is Dahmer. God damn it.
Love me some Fincher. Nice vid.
Great analysis of a great film
damn, I love Zodiac but was hoping for Gone Girl cause of the thumbnail. Next video maybe?
Goddamn Ted Cruz.
Funny that your main series about sharing love for movies other people might not have love for themselves is the one with spoilers. Not criticising, just saying.
Brilliant movie, and tip top video. Thanks
+NDfor SPDadsdas I'm not sure if anything in Zodiac counts as a spoiler since the case itself is well known as being unsolved.
It's hard to talk in-depth about a movie without getting into the minutiae of the plot (sometimes). I never intend for anyone to watch these without having seen the movie first.
Yeah, I had read up about Zodiac a little before watching the movie myself so I get what you mean. But yeah, was just an observation.
+Movies I Love (and so can you) |||| and please don't change that, it's hard enough to review a movie without spoiling anything, let alone dissect it.
I've seen this one at least 7-10 times
I adore your essays. More Fincher pls
+John Barnett Animation I have videos on The Social Network and Fight Club! (Head to vimeo for the Fight Club one; that's a long-standing copyright issue with RUclips)
Awesome! I actually found your channel through The Social Network one, but didn't know about the Fight Club video. Thanks so much!
this movie is nothing short of a CLASSIC.........GREAT REVIEW..........FUCKING AWSOME!!
Which movie do you think is better, Zodiac or The Social Network?
We gotta hang out man. We seem to love all the same films.
3:00 Robert Downey Jr. is the TF2 sniper :o
*Ding *Ding *Ding
I want The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo 2 !!!
Where are my Drangons !!
Do a Gone Girl one next
I disagree on the "no one but Fincher" part at 1:00. I'd say the look from those screen shots could be from other movies. Those are just nice shots from the movies. What makes Fincher Fincher, really, is more the movement of his camera and the nihilistic themes he brings to his movies.
Dinging was harsh on the ears, please refrain from doing that.
the cover of your video is from gone girl
I love this Movie! For me it's the best David Fincher Film! (Well i have to say that I am really intrested in the Zodiac Killer Stroy/True Crime) So I'm going to susbricbe to you!
I never would have noticed that I became Robert during the film. I never realized why the movie was unjointed and dissonant.
Zodiac is my favorite Fincher film but I disagree with you about Benjamin Button. The biggest criticism is that it is too similar to Forrest Gump. And while it does have similar themes, I think it is a great movie.
While I agree that Zodiac is a very uber Fincher movie. Nobody could have directed Se7en but David Fincher. Every single frame has so much attention to detail and so many creative and inventive shots that only he could have done it. Let's say the director of American History X has a crack at it, there would be too much medium zoom shots, incoherent action, and zero creativity in angles, etc, etc.
i think social network is his best film
Fight club
Haha i love fight club obviously but aaron sorkins writing plus finchers directing equals amazing
What's the background music
I honestly find the newer David Fincher movies; Social Network, Gone Girl, Dragon Tattoo to be void of the great Fincher qualities apart from very superficial stuff like lighting and filters. They are bland in comparison to the attention to detail that is in Se7en. Zodiac was like Fincher's last effort at making creative choices with the camera and in it's display, the use of stark yellows for example. Everything else has been bland to look at, empty/not lived in in comparison to Se7en and overally grey in it's display.
Great video
Fincher did say people are perverts
The Social Network- a true crime story
True Story
Wait he did house of cards?
He directed the first two episodes (which, taken together, feel very complete, like a feature). He's been a producer on HoC ever since.
+Movies I Love (and so can you) Oh nice.
I wouldn't classify fincher protagonists as unlike able, more like severely flawed
would you ever considering making a video on kiss kiss bang bang?
This video is almost as ambitious as the movie itself.
disagree, fight club has a more unique look/style than zodiac by a mile... in fact, i was shocked by yours statement.... to me zodiac always looked like a shot for tv movie
The dings were obnoxious
You are obsessed with Fincher
why do you have a gone girl thumbnail.
Most fincher-iest of thumbnails.
haha possibly
+Starfire media -chris I uploaded it last night, but it took too long and I fell asleep. RUclips picks your default thumbnail, and you can't change the thumbnail until after it's uploaded (which I just did).
Movies I Love (and so can you) haha oh yes I'm familiar with that feature: however, nice video anyway.
Wow, you trashed Gone Girl good there.
Why does everybody hate Benjamin Button I like that movie hahaha
hahhaaah great1!
Wish I didn't go deaf during the start of the video
I'd consider nick dunne likable
gone girl is a lifetime original movie
Bad film.
How come mark ruffallo was left off the hook so lightly for making hoax calls?
+Kommissar Murphy He was making hoax calls?
Or was it hoax letters, to keep media interest in the case going?
It should have made him a suspect, or helped the real killer get away, but the film skirted over it.