Here’s a worldbuilding plothole I recently realized: if every champion-rank trainer has to complete the champion assessment to earn it, that means that the “Top” Champion has canonically lost to every other Champion trainer
And it's not even a test their strength kind of thing because Geeta herself says that she is not capable of holding back. I think that she is top champion just because the others are too young to take that responability
That's not a plot hole, it just means the "Top" is likely more than just a single battle. Certain real world tournaments are structured so that rankings are about numbers of wins, rather than simply beating the Xth seed team, for example. We know Nemona walks around using an intentionally low-powered team for the challenge; that would logically decrease her ranking over time, even if she did beat Geeta. And like the other commenter said, it's also likely that many Champions simply aren't interested in holding an official position.
In all honestly. In my first playtrough i thought greeta would have been a dragon type champion. Like lance, because recently all pokemon repeat themself. The story repeats, the monsters repeats or we are grown and realize how childish some look. Same for the futurestic one currently. Ok that one is just me. What i wanted is, i felt like she is a dragon type champion because of the sheer amount of dragons, Pseudo legendary pokemon you could catch in the game. I thought this time, we would get a champion with champion level monsters. And then somehow got the dissapointment of a challenge( before DLC. ) And canonically speaking. By manga! Each Champion never loses its title, they all stay champion. In one, i believe the MOM was also a champion, who won against Oak. Who canonically was also once a champion, as toross as his ace. And red beeig the 5 generation. (Forgot who is was champion before oak) And canonically gamewise, Lance became E4 memeber because he list to blue/green/ buttcheecks So its quite possible for each Top champion to be E4 member, this just means. The first E4 memeber was at one point either champion level or hit a wall and deffended his wall position. Like darktype gym guy in generation 3. In modern game, he would be now somewhere in spot 3 or 2. Because hoe darktype got better with each generation. (Edit) This whole pseudo legendary champion trainer. Was also more reasonable to me because of her Outfit, its purple. Purple is the color for all dragontype moves. All named trainers, specifally the gyms represents their pokemon theme with their outfit, with their job and behavior. Cinthia was this wise, mysterious person who helped us. Troy was this wise, mysterious person who helped us. Lance was this mysterious strong experience trainer, who helped us. And only then at one point in history, that theme if strong, experience trainer changed and it just became mysterious trainer that knows some stuff and helps with fashion style. Greeta had this gentleman look in purple. To me that one screamed dragontype.
I personally didn't see it as a plot hole bc I interpreted it as the first Geeta fight being more like the capstone course for the academy, and they expect graduates to be "champion-level", so she kind of softballs the fights so that students that have completed the other requirements and are at about the right level aren't held back. It makes more sense that way to me, especially with the kingambit that's in the correct place in the rematch. Basically like the Paldean academies being an expensive private school that doesn't have the best actual curriculum but they have a high graduation rate to encourage parents to enroll their kids.
Something I think would be fun is if Geeta led with a Palafin, then was coded to switch it into Glimmora on the first turn. Not only would this make for a brutally powerful ace Pokémon, but Glimmora would likely switch into an attack and get up toxic spikes. That alone would make the fight far more difficult.
Plus I feel like having the stereotypical superhero themed pokemon would make a ton of sense if she's seen as a "big good" figure by the regions people
Part of me just wonders if she's hold the position for now. Maybe she's planning on passing Top Champion off to Nemona or the MC once they graduate? She'll still be chairwoman of the league + school too... Only reason I think this is a possibility is how she speaks of Nemona and the MC. They can already do some champion duties, too.
To be fair, Nemona's the final boss of the league part of the story. Geeta was doomed to be unimpressive the moment it was decides that she wouldnt even be the final boss of that section of the game.
I just had a horrible vision of trying to do this with Lance in Gen 1. The problem is not beating the game, it's assembling the team. You have to catch and fully train 3 Dratini. With the slow growth rate. And unless you choose to start with a Dratini, your first team member is the level 10 Magikarp you buy before mount moon. So much pain.
Funny thing, if you go with his GSC team instead it becomes much easier: you start with charmander and have it kinda hard until misty, then you get magikarp/gyarados and can snowball easily through the rest of the game while catching a dratini in the safari zone and reviving an aerodactyl. For the other 2 dragonites, let's just say he got them later because he REALLY likes them lol
In other regions (other than Galar), gym leaders and other trainers don’t really talk about the champion, and when they do, they usually have good things to say. When they talk about Lance or Alder, they talk about them with reverence for their status and power. Trainers discuss Steven and Cynthia like they’re the coolest, most interesting people alive, and always in awe of their talent and dedication. The worst anyone has to say about them is when an elite 4 member mentions their frustration at always being a step behind. And in Galar, where the champion is the only thing anybody ever talks about, they all treat Leon like Lebron James, Elvis, and Jesus rolled into one. But Geeta? People talk about Geeta all the time, and it’s almost always negative. The only person who ever says anything nice about her is Nemona, who has a positive attitude toward everything.
@@zamaskowany12Kalos league was levels upon this one,, and then do we want to compare Mega Gardevoir with Glimmora, speaking about aces? They are not even close, beside personal tastes. Is Diantha better AS A CHARACTER? No, absolutely not
@@zamaskowany12diantha at least was an interesting character. Unlike most champions Diantha is very casual about it and even mentions it like it's a hobby which is interesting compared to most champions who make it their entire lives. She's also pretty chill and the fact that she's an actress is pretty interesting. I like that she's a classy lady who is very talented and doesn't bother or pester me with random chores and talking to me randomly like Cynthia or Lance. And Nemona is different in her pestering because at least she's nice and silly and is more of my friend than my rival. Also like Diantha has a really good team unlike Geeta. The reason why Diantha was so easy was because the leveling curve was absolutely insane where you could be levels above everyone without rare candy or anything bc of the experience share as well as the fact that the fairy type is absolutely broken, especially in its introduction games.
Well that more related to glimora being her ace, and the terastalise gimick. This mean glimora cant be sent in till she has no pokemon left (aside from phasing moves maybe). So she can give her quote as she terastalise her final pokemon.
@@XenithShadow huh, didn't know Cynthias doesn't have an ace pokemon, since she sends them out in whatever order. Even tho she is famous for her Garchomp and her design suggests Lucario might have been meant as her ace... But yea, sarcasm asside, there is no reason to not send out Glimmora first and either Terastralize it immedeatly or do a Terrastralize on Kingambit as the last pokemon. While Geeta's team isn't the strongest, if her battle AI (I count the order in which pokemon are send out as well under this, cause that is pretty much down to the AI) where better and she could use some potions, like many other champs. She would pose a considerably bigger threat.
@@hamdepaf6686 Cynthea does have an ace, its just that only BDSP actually make her use it as a traditional ace instead of using it correctly which is your Ace will pull the duties it is most capable of and is your widest threat on the team. playing Pokemon Infinite Fusions with a fully engineered team helps a ton with understanding how Aces work.
@@XenithShadow This is a weaksauce argument. I kinda feel that a trainer who supposedly is "incapable of holding back" wouldn't just leave their ace for last... they'd break it out and show they mean business, straight up. Surely.
Nemona feels more like a champion compared to Geeta. What's more, apparently Nemona completely wiped the floor with Geeta, and without going all out. How are top champions determined in Paldea?
You pass a test instead of actually being strong. Champion rank is the Pokémon world version of participation trophies. Let’s be real here most people who reach champion rank in game won’t hold a candle to someone like Cynthia
I think how champions work differ between regions. Like in Kanto and Galar, there is one champion who acts as the strongest trainer in the region. In Paldea, Champion is a title given to anyone who beats the gym challenge. The ultimate champion does not change when defeated.
@@MortalOrder So if you have multiple champions, how is an Ultimate champion crowned? And why wouldn't they lose the "ultimate" part of their title upon losing?
@@grigori9061 Pretty sure paldea's absolute best would get bodied by damn near any other actual champion and if we're including volo in this it's overkill
The main problem why Geeta was so disappointing was less her difficulty and more her presentation. She doesn't feel like the one above all and more like the top among many. Previous champs like Cynthia or Leon were the final goal, the Master to dethrone, while Geeta was merely one more of many obstacles to overcome.
Yup. In fact, let's not even compare her to Cynthia. Even towards Alder, a Champion who *CANONICALLY LOST* before you even fight him, Geeta still pales in comparison. Alder was a presence throughout the story and he always made sure to give training advice and life advice to those he meets. Even when he lost to N, he still won the philosophical battle. Hell, the reason he lost to begin with was because he was already past his prime, his original partner died and N was just straight-up using a Legendary. And when you *DO* fight Alder, it feels less like a final boss fight and more of a friendly scrap between a cool old man and an upcoming successor, which ironically hits harder for me. As for Geeta, her presence in the game is borderline nonexistent, her employees don't like her at all (especially poor Larry, being forced to pull double-duty as Elite Four and Gym Leader), her battle prowess is pathetic and she looks like Prom Night Spongebob with the lanky legs and her yee-yee ass haircut. And in the end, she amounted as nothing more than an ingredient since the true final boss has had data of various Paldean Champions in its databanks.
I just realized something: Of course Geeta's team isn't built to defeat the current gym challenge. All of the gyms got changed like a year and a half ago, likely after she was also the Top Champion. The only people she's had to fight before in her own regions league was her Elite Four, since she personally recruited all of them.
She fights gym leaders every now and then though. And it is important to mention that she is hardcore Chairwoman - she requires everyone to be top notch, which is probably also the reason why she is weak in comparison to them.
Also realize that her team beats Nemona aka the Victory Road aka becoming a Champion. So yes, Geeta can become a champion. This video's conclusion itself is gaslighting you.
I think she became the Champion the same way that Professor Kukui from Alola did: by default, since he helped organize the league and find eligible trainers.
She has a middling team at best, that gogoat and avalugg really need to be replaced with something that isn't total trash. Like arboliva and cetitan or baxcalibur respectively
By the way, the reason you were having so much trouble finding Pawniard in the Orthworm area is because it spawns next to rivers. Not sure why, it just does.
The problem is, Paldea is a region without a lot of really strong trainers. They seem to still be early on in their pokemon league, with the Elite 4 having to be roped into doing the job. The whole pokemon league serves as a test for trainers to become champion ranked (not champion), potentially because Geeta needs to find capable trainers to become a new Elite 4 and a real champion. I mean most trainers give up before their 6th badge, and Larry has to do double duty between gym leader and elite 4 member. Even the gym leaders mostly all have day jobs. I feel like the future of Paldea is an entirely new elite 4 and champion for a league that isn't in the early stages. (Which paldea appears to be) Probably with Nemona as champion (Player character is like Red, and just retires). With Eri, Larry and I'm not sure who else as the rest of the Elite 4, and one of Team Star taking over Larry's gym. (Allowing the poor man to take it easy) Geeta's team is fine (though I'd probably replace Avalugg), but the problem is her order. Kingambit should be last, and Glimmora should be second. (Espathra still first to counter setup with Opportunist.)
I think her team does a poor job showcasing paldea for the most part. Most champions don't have native teams (looking at leon with charizard as an ace) but the only pokemon she uses that I think represents the region well are kingambit and Glimmora. Imo replace gogoat and avalugg with a ceruledge/armarouge and a goldengho and suddenly she's a lot more imposing.
I don't think the gym leaders having jobs is an indication of the region's early history. BW Gym leaders all famously do things outside battling/leading trainers and enforcing the law
Isn't Nemona canonically the strongest champion in Paldea? Geeta admitted that even when Nemona battled her for the Champion Rank (and won) that Nemona wasn't going all out.
Not necessarily. We dont know who else passed the test. There coulda been a lot more, though that does mean that nemona is the best champion we know about. I feel like arven and penny could also become champion trainers if they wanted to.
@Gabriel Carrasco ok? The player character was the only person tasked with taking team star down. Every other chamion only beat whichever gym leaders there were at the time and the elite four. I dont know how thats relevent to whether or not there was another champion still alive that could beat nemona?
It's implied that there are multiple people of Champion Rank (Arven and Penny are both stated to be Champion Rank Trainers, if not in title then in skill.) Galar doesn't have just one set Champion unlike other regions, being a champion is a Rank that anyone can achieve by clearing the Gym Circuit and then going on to challenge and defeat the Elite 4 + Geeta.
I’m convinced the only reason that Paldea has the weird Champion System that it does, is because if it had a Traditional one, Geeta would lose the throne so fast. I’m half convinced she’s somehow responsible for this Whack Champion System, and secretly bribed her way in.
I hope that Geeta will get a third fight where she reveals that the team that she used was just a team who was maked only for "weak" trainers like us and Nemona and then she fights us with a better team (and using Glimmora first), and before the fight she should say:"Now I will show you why i'm the TOP Champion." During the fight she would mock us by saying how she wasn't even remotly trying with her original team
Would be very contradictory though, as she straight up says she cant hold back in battle during the champion fight. Think we just have to accept she is by far the worst champion and move on
There's always been a little theory that gym leaders are using regulation teams rather than their own personal preferred teams which has been implied to various degrees throughout the generations, especially during rematches and such. Trainers like Nemona and Larry in this game are directly shown to have different teams for different purposes, so I really think it'd make sense if Geeta is attempting to make challenging the league a little more accessible by nerfing herself a little. If she's acting just as much "Chairwoman of the school" as she is of the League, it'd kinda make sense for her to set up a situation where trainers can think "wait, why don't you lead with Glimmora and save Kingambit for last?" and feel clever for figuring that out. Not that it doesn't make for underwhelming gameplay :p On the other hand, her own battle experience is mainly against students and her own Elite 4, right? Nemona's whole thing is that she needs more challenging battles to help her grow as a trainer. She wants you to beat her to give her a new goalpost to strive for and someone to share it with at the same time. Conversely, Geeta hasn't really been battling trainers on her own level either. From her perspective, her skills aren't really being challenged because challengers are here to test their own skills more than anything. So there's a significant skill gap between her and the people who beat her, as well. She's hit a skill ceiling but she's not making the effort to raise that ceiling because she WANTS people to surpass her, her stated goal is to make the League stronger rather than herself as a trainer. It would have been fun if she had a post-game "let me show you my REAL power" moment too, though.
It’s outright confirmed in gen 4 where you can rematch the gym leaders of Sinnoh, Johto, and Kanto in the various games and they’ll have far stronger teams. The Pokemon World Tournament in B/W 2 also shows every gym leader up to that point in the series with stronger teams champions as well but the canonicity of the PWT extra rounds are a touch debatable.
@@triforceofcourage100Not to mention in B/W2 Cheren actually states that he wished he got to use his actual team when you beat him. Most regions, save Galar, most definitely have Gym Leaders adjust accordingly to the badges a trainer has when they are challenged. It would make no sense for someone from Lavender Town to go all the way to Pewter to challenge Brock, or someone from Lilycove travelling across Hoenn to battle Roxanne first. This is contrasted with Galar where the Pokemon League challenge is treated more as a Nation Cup thing with the League sponsoring hotel accommodations so that trainers can battle the Gym Leaders in pre-set orders, especially with all of them having to go through Kabu as the 3rd gym leader (as opposed to someone from Ballonlea starting with Opal, heading down to Milo and maybe going for Nessa instead of Kabu first.) And, yes, agree on the rematch - those teams are what are considered the gym leader's actual strongest 'mons. It'd be downright illegal for Roxanne to fight you with her Lv. 47 Aerodactyl if you don't even have badges and your starter is only at Lv. 12.
To answer that last question, I thought out of everyone in the game it would be Geeta who would have trained a Gholdengo. I was so shocked when I beat her and didn't see a Gholdengo. Leon had Aegislash so I just assumed Geeta must have a Gholdengo on her team and no. So Gholdengo would be my choice.
You know, these results shouldn't come as a surprise. The degree to which Geeta fail, though, that is suprising. No wonder she likes to ask others to assess the gym circuit in her place. As someone who doesn't play Pokemon, I really like the addition of the text clarifying the various moves effects. It really helps keep track of what's going on.
Maybe it's because of the limited options you find at the start of the game and the level caps she evolve them at, she would probably just sweep the earlier Gym Leaders teams with her overleveled team like a legendary spammer.
Two things I noticed during this run that kinda make it difficult to put an official answer to if she could become champion or not: 1. The gym leaders were not the same prior to our character's adventure. For example, Ms. Tyme being a gym leader. That would definitely affect the experience of her gym run. 2. Titans and Team Star wouldn't have been something she'd have to deal with. Anything related to these fights should not count against her, as these aspects are unique to our specific journey and time period. Great video though and I enjoyed the thought process a lot!
A concept for changing Geeta's Team, with a little explanation for each pokemon. Just a silly little set of ideas. Keep Glimmora, but make that be the pokemon that she starts the battle with, for obvious reasons. She wants to be the top she'll need to abuse that toxicity. Make her carry either a Ceruledge or an Armarouge. Ceruledge if you play Scarlet, Armarouge if you play Violet, that way if the player has one, she has the other. She could probably keep Gogoat, but personally I feel Arboliva is the better option, if only to keep showing off the new pokemon of gen 9. May just say keep Avalugg since it's such a weird, and kind of dumb and out there pick, it'd also be kind of unexpected at the same time from someone called the top champion, while also showing off how strong Avalugg could be. Gholdengo may be a good choice for her team, since chances are there were players that ignored Gimmighoul when first playing the game and it'd be like a "whoa what is THAT thing?" feel to it. Make Kingambit her ace, that way she can be like "Behold, the pokemon that stands atop all others", suddenly that pokemon is a lot scarier.
Glimmora is her ace for what we can assume are some vague story reasons with Glimmora's ties to Area Zero. If that never gets expanded on I will be angry cause it would seem like such a bad decision on all fronts then
Making Kingambit her ace instead of Glimmora is such a no-brainer it's surprising Gamefreak didn't do that. Hell, they could've even made it shiny - it fits her colors and is a lot more memorable!
@@RezzSubs It's too hard for the actual children who play this game. King Gambit jusy sweeping your whole team is way worse than any other champion ever.
So, the supposed reason Geeta's ace is Glimmora owes to the Elite Four and Champion matching up types with the Titan Pokémon. Ground, Steel, Flying, and Dragon are covered by the Elite Four, so Geeta needed an ace that would be a Rock-type to match up with the remaining Titan.
I've always believed that besides making Glimmora her lead she could probably change her Avalugg or Veluza to either a Cyclizar or an Orthworm for Shed Tail support, while changing the rest of the team to be more based on setting up and sweeping. Giving her a speed boost calm mind stored power Espathra would probably snowball insanely fast for the average person if they don't have a Dark type (and even then it can have Dazzling Gleam). Besides that Gogoat with Bulk Up and recovery moves would become a problem in in-game battles, or the already surprisingly bulky to non-fighting type attacks Kingambit with Swords Dance. It's probably the thing that feels the worst about this team; the way with just a few changes she would go from "absolute garbage of a team" to "most likely lose the first time you see her because you don't know what she's going to do"
I wish she used a Ceruledge, but just for the game variety overall. And Veluza is such trash with that low speed stat. Would Palafin make her too hard?
The fact even Vasko got so many Ls for this just kinda prooves Geeta's team is undesireable, especially in the order it is in. The moment he put Glimmet in first, he wins against Kofu. Edit: Diantha's team stands out in that it features kalos-native pokemon mostly, and includes a mega evolution. Geeta uses non-native Paldea pokemon, that, also generally are fairly unpopulair amongst the community. Veluza does not have a great rep, either. In story, Diantha also has more aignificance, whereas Geeta just kind of feels like a bump to get over. Lastly, I think Geeta also gets a bad rep due to how she's written out. Nearly all of the gym leaders and E4 seem to be unhappy about here in some way, which makes the community disregard her more. Only Nemona seems to look up to Geeta. The rest really just don't want to even want her around, from my understanding. To get back on Diantha rq; many speak if her as a great trainer, in contrast to Geeta.
Diantha isn't a bad champion for a weak team, she's a bad champion because she just doesn't show up in the story enough people people to care about her. Blue is your rival throughout the journey, Lance shows up and takes down team rocket with you, Steven is outside of the pokemon league doing his research, Cynthia runs into you multiple times throughout the region and in platinum helps you out in the distortion world, Alder and Iris both show up a couple of times in their games with Alder even being a major stepping stone for N, Then we get to Diantha who is just a movie star and that's about all we learn about her from XY.
@@morphstarchangeling8024 Diantha's team is bad for a lot of reasons. It's a pastiche of the ace's of others. It's the only trainer to Mega in this game besides the tutorial and Lysandre and the Pokémon of choice isn't native to Kalos. Goodra is completely overlooked in her team. Aurorus is just straight up not good. I would like her to have a pure Kalosian team of non-repeats but that's impossible. Honestly? I would make her team consist of Furfrou (surprisingly physically bulky, basically 120 Def because of ability, and being only week to fighting, it would be likely to bait Physical moves; proceed to punish with STAB Giga Impact that could be even worse with held items) no one would see it coming on their first playthrough; Goodra with Hydration and Rain Dance and Toxicroak could be a great follow up for coverage in the rain if it has Dry Skin; she can keep the Gardevoir but it wouldn't be her Mega or her ace, and tbqh it wouldn't be bad if it was switched for a Gothitelle, as good and less overused; Klefki would probably be a very good first 'mon as a setter. Her ace would absolutely should be a Mega Diancie. "But Mega Diancie wasn't a thing until ORAS and Diancie is a Mythical" it simply shouldn't have been. Make it a rare evolution method for a 1/1000 Carbink or something as its lore is. Gen 6 already had Volcanion and Hoopa and the very next gen would introduce Magearna which serves almost the same purpose. Nothing of valor would be lost if it wasn't Mythical and was instead some pseudo pseudo-legendary thing like Volcarona. Besides, she does have more moments. She is acquainted to both Lysandre and Sycamore and she does talk to them both about team Flare. It's just that she does nothing about it.
@@jpcsdutra XY has 0, count them 0 Kalos native Pokemon with a Mega and ORAS added one and its a Mythical which Game Freak won't put on a Champ team. Diantha is also modeled after a Gardevoir so if she's not using it as her ass her entire look needs to change. O agree that Aurorus isn't good, but the rest of her team is fine for the most part. Hawlucha needs Unburden and an Item, Tyrantrum needs Rock Head to go with that Head Smash and the rest of her team is fine as far as Game Freak difficulty goes, this just that XY level scaling was bad. Bump her levels a bit and she's perfectly workable. Geeta... Geeta I need to replace half of her team.
Fun fact but I tested out Geeta’s team on Showdown and all her pokemon seemed fine the problem is she should have started with her Toxic Debris mon and kept Kingambit last cus of its ability
Glimorra is fine, but it must be a lead, Esperanth (or whatever its called) is apparently great but its move list for her is terrible and Kinggambit is a solid beatstick. The other 3 suck. Gogoat is maybe, *maybe* workable if it gets Milk Drink to be a tank but Avalugg and the fish are just bad. She should have had a Baxcalibur and one of the Tauros variants.
@@hawkticus_history_corner I think Palafin and maybe Gholdengo would be better or just Palafin if she switches it out to show its power and since Hasse uses Baxcalibur champions tend to not use psuedo legendaries if an elite 4 member uses them cus it fits their type specialty
@@HarveeFriend I wouldn't use Gholdengo on account of the thing being obnoxious, kinda the same with Palafin really, probably overwhelming for casuals. Dodongo may be a better replacement
@@hawkticus_history_corner true but I mean GF did make the elite 4 in bdsp competitive so i don’t think they care about the casuals anymore Or maybe they do as they got rid of set mode and only ILCA don’t since they are the ones who made bdsp but still
@@HarveeFriend Except that wasn't GF, that was a different studio, who I am convinced where shackled by unreasonable time and various stupid demands which is why BDSP wasn't a Platinum based remake. And the the fact that the E4 has sensible stat spreads and items is part of that. And getting rid of Set mode is one of the dumbest things they've ever done alongside the XP share changes. Just utterly pointless removal of features
One thing I realised the first time I played the game was that most of her pokemons could be found in Area Zero. Lore wise, this could mean that she learned about the pokemon natives to Area Zero and either got there or catched them because of this.
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All this makes me truly wonder if the team she fights us with is the actual team she uses normally or just the team she uses for the assessment and thus the only team we ever see her with.
You know, a lot of people keep giving Geeta flack for her Pokemon choice and lineup, but I have a theory as to why it is what it is. During her pre-battle speech Geeta notes she has a trait that is unbecoming of being a chairwoman: she is unable to hold back during battles. As such, it's possible Geeta at least does her best to handicap herself before the heat of battle by making these deliberate choices. Who knows? Maybe you're the first test subject for Geeta to handicap herself by making less tactical choices. Furthermore, as someone else also theorized, we only ever battle Geeta to earn a Champion Rank, not title. It's not like Sun and Moon where we fight for and later on defend our position of Champion. Instead, we're being tested by the Elite Four and Champion Chairwoman to see if we're good enough to claim the rank of Champion, not to be the Champion and take over the position
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic I disagree. I rechallenged the gymleaders with semi random teams consisting of no type overlaps and no delibate advantages, capped at lvl 55 - no inbattle items. In terms of training I obviously held back, but I had to go full out during the battles. The only one that gave me a hard time was Kofu and his horrifying Clawitzer. Even had to break the items rule for that one. It was a trainwreck. 😂
@@Locormus2 You can perform well within your means, but at the end of the day that ceiling is still there. It’s like wearing weighted training clothes=> it doesn’t matter how used to it you are or how well you fight in them… you aren’t truly “going all out” until they come off. A limitation is a limitation. You capped yourself to begin with, no matter how hard you tried; end of story.
Honestly, I kinda respect her more after this. She took a team, not of super strong pokemon, but of ones she liked, fought, lost, trained harder, and overcame in order to become champion.
I thought she deliberately uses a weak team because of her inability to hold back, it makes sense that she uses a team barely above the champion benchmark to test new champions.
If I were to design Geeta's team, I would give her: 1. Glimmora - I think it would be cool if she lead with her ace unlike previous Champions. I know most Champion teams don't have held items, but an Eject Button would probably benefit it. That way, it gets more time to shine later while (hopefully) activating its Ability. I think it would also be interesting if an NPC used the Terastal phenomenon early instead. It's Tera Type would remain Rock. 2. Gogoat - Gogoat is a cool Pokémon with decent stats. I also think it is one of Geeta's better team members in her actual team. 3. Kingambit - Kingambit would be her last Pokémon due to its Ability. If Geeta had used Kingambit later on, it definitely would have been more troublesome. If possible, it should be given a Focus Sash to prevent it from immediately being knocked out by a Fighting-type move. 4. Gothitelle - This Pokémon better fits the theme I was aiming for than Espathra. Also, I don't know why, but Gothitelle seems like it fits Geeta's aesthetics. 5. Gholdengo - I think at least one NPC Trainer should have used Gholdengo so players can at least have it registered in their Dex. I also see Geeta being patient enough to collect 999 coins. 6. Dragonite - I think every Champion, excluding Blue, Wallace, and Alder, should have a Pseudo-Legendary. I would have liked to give Geeta Baxcalibur, but it doesn't fit the theme I was going for. I will explain later on. Dragonite is a tough Pokémon I can see Geeta being patient enough to train. Also, I think Dragonite's warm and nurturing characteristics counter Geeta's somewhat cool personality (cool as in cold). This isn't exactly the order I would suggest. I mainly arranged the team by the order I think Geeta would catch them on her journey. Glimmora would definitely lead the battle while Kingambit ends it. I chose these Pokémon because they all have the letter G in their names. A majority of Geeta's team already had this in common, so I just went with it. I'm not sure if it's much better, but at least it has one less weakness that half of her team shares.
I've been missing out on a lot of these runs, but this one I had to watch eventually. Geeta looked super promising, it really sucks how she ended up so weak. At least we got Nemona as the better fight afterwards. (Also ngl: this video actually makes me think it would have been pretty cool to have Clavell as a top champion as well. I am not saying that he needs to be the definitive champion, just having him as a former top champion or something would have been very cool.)
I would change her team. 1.Glimmora - Toxic debris Power gem Sludge bomb Energy ball Reflect 2. Garganacl - Purifying Salt Salt cure Fire punch Explosion Protect 3. Espartha - Speed Boost Lumina crash Dazzling gleam Roost Light screen / Calm Mind 4. Cyclizar - Regenerator Dragon Claw Iron head U-turn Shift gear 5. Gholdengo Make it rain Nasty plot Shadow ball Thunderbolt 6. Kingambit - Supreme Overload Kowtow cleave Zen headbutt Tera blast (water) Acrobatics / Dig I think that those mons, in that order with those moves and abilities would make her a respectable challange. The goal wasn't to go complete tryhard. I only wanted to use Paldean pokemon. And I know there's some slight overlap but I don't it's too detrimental. She's still not on Cynthia's level, but I could respect this as a champion's team. Also no Bax cuz the elite 4 already showed him off.
Can I just say I absolutely love your production values? Things like using the selfie feature, all your own transitions, stuff like that really elevates a video!
I like to think the Pokemon League realized that 10 year olds kept becoming champion for 20 minutes, then giving up the rank, so just said "f**k it" and let all of them be champion.
So to improve Greeta's team all we really need to do is make glimora here first sent out and make kinggambit here ace and teach it sucker punch now you have toxic spikes for the whole battle and a supreme overload kinggambit that teras into a dark type with stab sucker punch and now is not 4x weak to fighting type moves
Glimmora could still be the ace. We have precedent for this in Guzma, who always lead with his ace, Golisopod. An ace just has to be your crucial lynchpin. It doesn't always need to be last.
@@bentowers3614 This is a really good take. After rematching Cynthia in Diamond a year or so ago I realized that one issue with there being a gimmick every generation is that characters always send out their aces last to utilize it, but in older games they would send out their ace in the middle of the battle if it was a reasonable response to the player's Pokemon
So basically, this challenge is impossible. Because you either need to overlevel or transfer her main which I do not count as solutions because they aren't reliable enough. Wow, her team sucks that much and I haven't even played the game yet
Arven was definetly difficult for me and I lot the first time (my first loss that playthrough) but Penny's was easy because I am much more knowledgeable on the Eeveelutions so it was easy to figure out the right pokemon to wreck each of her pokemon. Also her AI tended to try the same move that didn't work, like she was trying to set something up but kept failing. It was at least more interesting a situation than Geeta. Was so worried about her team and was shocked at how bad I was destroying the champion. Oddly also didn't have a bad time with Nemona either, to the point I never even terastalized for her, Arven was my biggest threat in the base game.
Geeta’s ultimate team: 1. Glimmora, send it out to set up spikes and toxic debris. Moves: spikes, dazzling gleam, power gem and sludge bomb. 2. Grimmsnarl, ability: prankster. Moves: light screen, reflect, spirit break and false surrender. 3. Gothitelle, ability: competitive. Moves: psychic, fake tears, thunderbolt and mirror coat. 4. Gholdengo ( like Cynthia’s spiritomb but way harder to find.) moves: make it rain, shadow ball, recover and confuse ray. 5. The starter strong against yours. - Meowscarada: with flower trick, knock off, play rough and thunder punch. - Skeledirge: torch song, shadow ball, earth power and overheat. - Quaquaval: aqua step, close combat, feather dance and ice spinner. 6. Her actual ace: Kingambit with supreme overlord. With ghost tera type. Known moves: terra blast, kowtow cleave, retaliate and iron head. I tried giving Geeta a team with the pokemon that fit her character design the best.
It's interesting to consider what Geeta's road to becoming top champion would have actually looked like. Obviously on her way to the top she never had to battle Turo/Sada and probably not the Team Star leaders, who were likely just still students at the academy or hadn't even enrolled yet, or all these "villains" would've been shut down prior to the player ever embarking on their Pokemon journey. She also would have faced Thyme and not Rhyme, or maybe there were other gym leaders altogether. While she is definitely the weakest champion from our perspective, perhaps in her youth things were so different that she actually did quite well. That said, this was such a fun video!
One simple change to Geetas team and she becomes unstoppable. Use an ability patch on her espathra and teach her Stored Power, calm mind and dazzling gleam. Then she sweeps through the entire game on her own. That's what I did on mine when I realized she had speedboost
I had a lot of trouble with Geeta on my playthrough. Granted, I was a good 5-10 levels below her team, but that was the same with every trainer I fought. Her Kingambit is a real pain to get through, and if you don't have a good Pokemon ready for her Glimmora it can take your down with its surprisingly high Special Attack stat. Larry's still the real champ in my eyes. Huge difficulty spike. As for weakest Champion, nobody will ever be worse than Diantha. If I could beat her first try blind with only four Pokemon on my team (Crustle, Ludicolo, Garbodor, and Stunfisk), I don't think she can even be counted as a Champion.
Geeta: you are no champion…you are… Cynthia: DEATH. And I don’t mean that metaphorically or rhetorically or poetically or theoretically or any other fancy way. I’m death. Straight up…and I’ve come for you, Geeta.
if I were to rework geetas team using only paldean pokemon id have them be in this order: 1palafin with an instant switch out to glimmora 2glimmora 3armrouge/ceruledge depending on the game 4garganacle 5baxcalibur 6kingambit with a ghost terra type or a steel terra type if it has to be one of the two original types. *this* would be a challenging and memorable team
So, interesting tidbit, Geeta's shoddy team was intentional. She's holding back. You can rematch her in Indigo Disk, and she leads with her Glimmora there, saving Kingambit for last. She also uses Chesnaught and Dragapult, instead of Gogoat and Veluza.
Her team was an assessment. You see her actual team in Indigo Disk. Everything, with hindsight, can be seen as playing her part for the whole champion assessment and a red herring for Nemona's fight
Glimmora Lead with Stealth Rock Armarouge (Scarlet Exclusive and way stronger than Espathra) Water Tauros (Violet Exclusive, stops her from getting swept by literally any Skeledirge) Gholdengo (the Paldean equivalent of Cynthia's Spiritomb) Arboliva (overall just really strong and symbolizes victory, adds the primary type core to her team) Kingambit with Sucker Punch and Tera Dark, to get the 1.5x boost from Supreme Overlord, and then the additional 1.5x dark type boost from added Tera stab to kill what's left of your team (will probably get walled by Tinkaton)
@@Gunther69420 if you really want to get into this, armarouge with the standard HP investment e4 Pokemon get can live a shadow ball from Skeledirge, a Night Slash from Meowscarada, and an Aqua Step from Quaquaval, and also stops Skeledirge from setting up Torch Songs Oh and if that wasn't enough it removes fighting types so Kingambit can Tera Dark Sucker Punch its way through whatever is left of your team after you deal with the other threats on her team Espathra stops Skeledirge with Opportunist but doesn't have nearly enough bulk or longevity to actually make it a threatening long term Pokemon, nor does base game Geeta have any special attackers aside from Glimmora (who always comes out last) to take advantage of the Lumina Crash drops
@@Gunther69420 in singles though Espathra clears, Speed Boost Stored Power is really cool Armarouge is just better in the context of the team I drafted specifically to make Geeta actually harder (and makes a Fire Water Grass core)
I feel like the Velusa could be subbed for a lead paladin to stop the type overlap, and the avelug and gogoat (yes I know it kinda carried this run) could be swapped for cetitan and arboliva/ toadscruel respectively to give her more paldean Pokémon. She would end with a different Tera Kingambit like in the dlc with supreme overlord
I keep hearing how her employees hate her and all that, and I’m just wondering: are we playing the same game? Geeta’s employees have the same gripes about their supervisor that everyone I have ever worked with have had, specifically around supervisors that they like. Geeta is really focused around improvement and making the region better for the students involved, but outside of personality clashes and pushing people to improve Geeta sounds like a fantastic supervisor.
I will say this, I think Geeta is severely underpowered for a Champion solely because she's not only NOT the final fight in the game, but also not the final fight in the storyline she is a pat of. Nemona is the final fight for the Victory Road path which makes sense why her team is a bit more difficult than Geeta's in my opinion. And seeing how they rectified the team in the Blueberry Academy DLC, I genuinely think they purposefully nerfed her a bit more compared to other "champion" trainers as Nemona was meant to be the true champion battle at the end of the main story. This is just what I thought of
“No… No! I was actually hoping to super sweep everything in the game so I can prove all the Geeta doubter wrong!” As much as I like your takes on challenges and the story of your runs… something in that voice, the comments on the video, and the way you determined the answer to if she could… I have to press X to doubt on that one…
Uhm.. Pawniard is available in the same SouthernProvince area as Skiddo. Southern Province Area 5. There's no reason to believe she didn't have a Pawniard, when she has a Skiddo and Flittle from that area.
Lance also has 3 pseudo legendaries on his team (= difficult to find and catch, not usually available early game) and 2 other pokemon only obtainable post-game. This is not the case for Geeta
Leon was pretty tough, if unbalanced type wise depending on what starter you chose. Nessa... was also a character in Sword and Shield. Seriously though, great video.
Geeta, Paldea's Champion, initially disappointed trainers with her lackluster presentation. However, imagine the thrill if she revealed a new strategy in her third battle. With her formidable Glimmora leading the charge, toxic spikes would spread while she confidently declared, "Now, I'll show you why I'm the unrivaled Champion!" This unexpected twist would inject excitement and reaffirm Geeta's status as the pinnacle of strength in Paldea.
6:52 I explored Most of the Map using the Teleporting Trainer Exploit to get out to the Main World and I can bluntly tell you that only the Ocean and most High Cliffs are barred to use. I was able to enter ALL Towns and Gyms on Foot without access to the Ride Pokemon and unlocked those Fast Travel Points in Most Watchtowers. Only Veluza was barred to you before you get the Surf Ability unless you get a very lucky spawn when you are near the Water.
if i could remake geeta's team, i would give her several psudo legendary pokemon as well as make her team have connections to paldea's past, area zero and the paradoxes: -glimmora: good for hazards, stays due to being her ingame "ace" -volcarona: strong bug type, foreshadow slither wing and iron moth -hydreigon: pseudo legendary, foreshadow iron jugulis -salamence: pseudo legendary, foreshadow roaring moon -gholdengo: very rare and powerful, the coins are part of paldea's histoty -tyranitar (ace, tera rock): pseudo legendary, foreshadow iron thorns... is the ace because every other teratype has a specialist in paldea
I totally agree on Geeta being the worst but I have no idea how strong Diantha actually is since I played the insane version of the Eternal X hack where she only used legendaries.
For me, Diantha would fare better against Lance. Goodra, Amauros and Mega Gardevoir are good counters for a Dragon expert. I agree that Diantha is easy but atleast you can see in her team why she's a Champion. Geeta tho...I dunno.
Diantha is pretty damn weak, but her Goodra and Mega Gardevoir are so strong that when I run the numbers, Diantha is actually favoured to win. Edit: This is in spite of some pretty lousy matchups against Geeta's Espathra and Kingambit, btw.
Geeta is the top champion not because she has a strong team, but because she somehow didn't immediately give up with an ass one. Also yes Gogoat is extremely underrated
_”Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win with the Pokémon they love best.”_ -Karen (Johto Elite Four)
The only Pokémon I've seen get stuck in Larry's floor are -tinkaton -toxapex -pawniard First was from rtgames run,second my violet run,and now here.maybe it picks a Mon this happens to? But why only one in each team?
Here’s a worldbuilding plothole I recently realized: if every champion-rank trainer has to complete the champion assessment to earn it, that means that the “Top” Champion has canonically lost to every other Champion trainer
I guess that’s why she sucks
And it's not even a test their strength kind of thing because Geeta herself says that she is not capable of holding back. I think that she is top champion just because the others are too young to take that responability
That's not a plot hole, it just means the "Top" is likely more than just a single battle.
Certain real world tournaments are structured so that rankings are about numbers of wins, rather than simply beating the Xth seed team, for example. We know Nemona walks around using an intentionally low-powered team for the challenge; that would logically decrease her ranking over time, even if she did beat Geeta.
And like the other commenter said, it's also likely that many Champions simply aren't interested in holding an official position.
In all honestly. In my first playtrough i thought greeta would have been a dragon type champion. Like lance, because recently all pokemon repeat themself. The story repeats, the monsters repeats or we are grown and realize how childish some look.
Same for the futurestic one currently.
Ok that one is just me.
What i wanted is, i felt like she is a dragon type champion because of the sheer amount of dragons, Pseudo legendary pokemon you could catch in the game.
I thought this time, we would get a champion with champion level monsters.
And then somehow got the dissapointment of a challenge( before DLC. )
And canonically speaking. By manga!
Each Champion never loses its title, they all stay champion.
In one, i believe the MOM was also a champion, who won against Oak.
Who canonically was also once a champion, as toross as his ace.
And red beeig the 5 generation.
(Forgot who is was champion before oak)
And canonically gamewise,
Lance became E4 memeber because he list to blue/green/ buttcheecks
So its quite possible for each Top champion to be E4 member, this just means. The first E4 memeber was at one point either champion level or hit a wall and deffended his wall position.
Like darktype gym guy in generation 3.
In modern game, he would be now somewhere in spot 3 or 2. Because hoe darktype got better with each generation.
(Edit) This whole pseudo legendary champion trainer. Was also more reasonable to me because of her Outfit, its purple.
Purple is the color for all dragontype moves. All named trainers, specifally the gyms represents their pokemon theme with their outfit, with their job and behavior.
Cinthia was this wise, mysterious person who helped us.
Troy was this wise, mysterious person who helped us.
Lance was this mysterious strong experience trainer, who helped us.
And only then at one point in history, that theme if strong, experience trainer changed and it just became mysterious trainer that knows some stuff and helps with fashion style.
Greeta had this gentleman look in purple. To me that one screamed dragontype.
I personally didn't see it as a plot hole bc I interpreted it as the first Geeta fight being more like the capstone course for the academy, and they expect graduates to be "champion-level", so she kind of softballs the fights so that students that have completed the other requirements and are at about the right level aren't held back. It makes more sense that way to me, especially with the kingambit that's in the correct place in the rematch. Basically like the Paldean academies being an expensive private school that doesn't have the best actual curriculum but they have a high graduation rate to encourage parents to enroll their kids.
Something I think would be fun is if Geeta led with a Palafin, then was coded to switch it into Glimmora on the first turn. Not only would this make for a brutally powerful ace Pokémon, but Glimmora would likely switch into an attack and get up toxic spikes. That alone would make the fight far more difficult.
This is exactly what I was thinking too!
Give her arcues
That's literally two of the suggestions that deadbedspread made on his short
@@rayyaninspookymonth1630 Yeah because it's the two most obvious changes.
Plus I feel like having the stereotypical superhero themed pokemon would make a ton of sense if she's seen as a "big good" figure by the regions people
With Geeta's team and treatment of her employees how the hell did she get this position? At least Nemona feels like a powerful trainer unlike Geeta
She’s the Chairwoman she probably just put herself on the Top because she could
@@owenbridgers That makes so much sense, she used her position as head of the academy and basically bought her way to the top.
SHE DOESN’T TREAT HER EMPLOYEES BAD, LIKE OVERWORKING LARRY, HE’S GOTTA MAKE MONEY SOMEHOW.
Part of me just wonders if she's hold the position for now. Maybe she's planning on passing Top Champion off to Nemona or the MC once they graduate? She'll still be chairwoman of the league + school too...
Only reason I think this is a possibility is how she speaks of Nemona and the MC. They can already do some champion duties, too.
To be fair, Nemona's the final boss of the league part of the story. Geeta was doomed to be unimpressive the moment it was decides that she wouldnt even be the final boss of that section of the game.
I just had a horrible vision of trying to do this with Lance in Gen 1. The problem is not beating the game, it's assembling the team. You have to catch and fully train 3 Dratini. With the slow growth rate. And unless you choose to start with a Dratini, your first team member is the level 10 Magikarp you buy before mount moon.
So much pain.
Ikr?
Funny thing, if you go with his GSC team instead it becomes much easier: you start with charmander and have it kinda hard until misty, then you get magikarp/gyarados and can snowball easily through the rest of the game while catching a dratini in the safari zone and reviving an aerodactyl. For the other 2 dragonites, let's just say he got them later because he REALLY likes them lol
Sure, but as soon as your karp hits 20 you're set for the rest of the game.
Lance is a known hacker *looks at Level 40 Dragonite*
it's obvious he caught those Dragonites in the wild
@StormTheOnigiri
To be fair you can catch a level 9 salamance...
In other regions (other than Galar), gym leaders and other trainers don’t really talk about the champion, and when they do, they usually have good things to say. When they talk about Lance or Alder, they talk about them with reverence for their status and power. Trainers discuss Steven and Cynthia like they’re the coolest, most interesting people alive, and always in awe of their talent and dedication. The worst anyone has to say about them is when an elite 4 member mentions their frustration at always being a step behind. And in Galar, where the champion is the only thing anybody ever talks about, they all treat Leon like Lebron James, Elvis, and Jesus rolled into one. But Geeta? People talk about Geeta all the time, and it’s almost always negative. The only person who ever says anything nice about her is Nemona, who has a positive attitude toward everything.
Lance, Steven, Cynthia, Alder, and Leon are also simply interesting as characters while Geeta isn't.
@@floatingf8783 I like how everyone forgot about Diantha who's just as bad as Geeta
@@zamaskowany12Kalos league was levels upon this one,, and then do we want to compare Mega Gardevoir with Glimmora, speaking about aces? They are not even close, beside personal tastes. Is Diantha better AS A CHARACTER? No, absolutely not
Her theme is also ICONIC @@phoxess
@@zamaskowany12diantha at least was an interesting character. Unlike most champions Diantha is very casual about it and even mentions it like it's a hobby which is interesting compared to most champions who make it their entire lives. She's also pretty chill and the fact that she's an actress is pretty interesting. I like that she's a classy lady who is very talented and doesn't bother or pester me with random chores and talking to me randomly like Cynthia or Lance. And Nemona is different in her pestering because at least she's nice and silly and is more of my friend than my rival.
Also like Diantha has a really good team unlike Geeta. The reason why Diantha was so easy was because the leveling curve was absolutely insane where you could be levels above everyone without rare candy or anything bc of the experience share as well as the fact that the fairy type is absolutely broken, especially in its introduction games.
Thing is geeta’s team isn’t bad it’s just what order her pokemon are in. literally has a setup mon as her last pokemon
Well that more related to glimora being her ace, and the terastalise gimick. This mean glimora cant be sent in till she has no pokemon left (aside from phasing moves maybe). So she can give her quote as she terastalise her final pokemon.
@@XenithShadow huh, didn't know Cynthias doesn't have an ace pokemon, since she sends them out in whatever order. Even tho she is famous for her Garchomp and her design suggests Lucario might have been meant as her ace...
But yea, sarcasm asside, there is no reason to not send out Glimmora first and either Terastralize it immedeatly or do a Terrastralize on Kingambit as the last pokemon.
While Geeta's team isn't the strongest, if her battle AI (I count the order in which pokemon are send out as well under this, cause that is pretty much down to the AI) where better and she could use some potions, like many other champs. She would pose a considerably bigger threat.
@@hamdepaf6686 Cynthea does have an ace, its just that only BDSP actually make her use it as a traditional ace instead of using it correctly which is your Ace will pull the duties it is most capable of and is your widest threat on the team. playing Pokemon Infinite Fusions with a fully engineered team helps a ton with understanding how Aces work.
@@F14thunderhawk you clearly didn't understand my sarcasm...
@@XenithShadow This is a weaksauce argument. I kinda feel that a trainer who supposedly is "incapable of holding back" wouldn't just leave their ace for last... they'd break it out and show they mean business, straight up. Surely.
Nemona feels more like a champion compared to Geeta. What's more, apparently Nemona completely wiped the floor with Geeta, and without going all out.
How are top champions determined in Paldea?
You pass a test instead of actually being strong. Champion rank is the Pokémon world version of participation trophies. Let’s be real here most people who reach champion rank in game won’t hold a candle to someone like Cynthia
I think how champions work differ between regions. Like in Kanto and Galar, there is one champion who acts as the strongest trainer in the region. In Paldea, Champion is a title given to anyone who beats the gym challenge. The ultimate champion does not change when defeated.
@@MortalOrder So if you have multiple champions, how is an Ultimate champion crowned? And why wouldn't they lose the "ultimate" part of their title upon losing?
@@raerohan4241 Geeta runs everything, so that’s why she has the title
@@grigori9061 Pretty sure paldea's absolute best would get bodied by damn near any other actual champion and if we're including volo in this it's overkill
I love how in the Iono battle, one of your pokemon learned a new move which saved the entire battle, this is such a Pokémon cliche and I love it
The main problem why Geeta was so disappointing was less her difficulty and more her presentation. She doesn't feel like the one above all and more like the top among many. Previous champs like Cynthia or Leon were the final goal, the Master to dethrone, while Geeta was merely one more of many obstacles to overcome.
I think they set it up for nemona to be that person though and I'm okay with that lol
Yup. In fact, let's not even compare her to Cynthia. Even towards Alder, a Champion who *CANONICALLY LOST* before you even fight him, Geeta still pales in comparison.
Alder was a presence throughout the story and he always made sure to give training advice and life advice to those he meets. Even when he lost to N, he still won the philosophical battle. Hell, the reason he lost to begin with was because he was already past his prime, his original partner died and N was just straight-up using a Legendary. And when you *DO* fight Alder, it feels less like a final boss fight and more of a friendly scrap between a cool old man and an upcoming successor, which ironically hits harder for me.
As for Geeta, her presence in the game is borderline nonexistent, her employees don't like her at all (especially poor Larry, being forced to pull double-duty as Elite Four and Gym Leader), her battle prowess is pathetic and she looks like Prom Night Spongebob with the lanky legs and her yee-yee ass haircut. And in the end, she amounted as nothing more than an ingredient since the true final boss has had data of various Paldean Champions in its databanks.
@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 Even though Alder lost before you fight him, he was still pretty cool.
Leon especially. He was literally called “the unbeatable Champion”
Speaking of Galar my hardest opponent was Old lady as bede called her Opal
I just realized something: Of course Geeta's team isn't built to defeat the current gym challenge. All of the gyms got changed like a year and a half ago, likely after she was also the Top Champion. The only people she's had to fight before in her own regions league was her Elite Four, since she personally recruited all of them.
Yeah but she lost bad to Larry, you think that Larry wouldn’t use Normal types back when Geeta recruited him?
She fights gym leaders every now and then though. And it is important to mention that she is hardcore Chairwoman - she requires everyone to be top notch, which is probably also the reason why she is weak in comparison to them.
Also realize that her team beats Nemona aka the Victory Road aka becoming a Champion. So yes, Geeta can become a champion. This video's conclusion itself is gaslighting you.
Stop fanboy
@@haidynwendlandt2479 That's why she forced him to use flying types.
Geeta saying “I am utterly incapable”
is hilarious, especially because of being added text 🤣😂
She wasn’t wrong though 😂😂
I think she became the Champion the same way that Professor Kukui from Alola did: by default, since he helped organize the league and find eligible trainers.
Geeta: has a good team
Also geeta: didn’t use it right
she has an ok team and uses it as poorly as is physically possible.without also outright training the pokemon wrong
She has a middling team at best, that gogoat and avalugg really need to be replaced with something that isn't total trash. Like arboliva and cetitan or baxcalibur respectively
@@joaogomes9405arboliva would be really problematic convining the toxic spikes and the grass field, I wish It happens
What about simply making kingambit her ace and the last Mon and she should lead with glimmora
Get rid of goat then yeah
By the way, the reason you were having so much trouble finding Pawniard in the Orthworm area is because it spawns next to rivers. Not sure why, it just does.
According to the Gen V Pokédex, it's because they use rocks from the river to sharpen their blades.
@@selectivepontification8766 oh, nice, lore reasons 🙂
I'm not sure why he didn't start out with getting a Pawniard from South Province Area 5. That's not even an off-limits area prior to Gym1.
there are no "off limits areas" its an open world game
@@Locormus2
The problem is, Paldea is a region without a lot of really strong trainers. They seem to still be early on in their pokemon league, with the Elite 4 having to be roped into doing the job. The whole pokemon league serves as a test for trainers to become champion ranked (not champion), potentially because Geeta needs to find capable trainers to become a new Elite 4 and a real champion. I mean most trainers give up before their 6th badge, and Larry has to do double duty between gym leader and elite 4 member. Even the gym leaders mostly all have day jobs.
I feel like the future of Paldea is an entirely new elite 4 and champion for a league that isn't in the early stages. (Which paldea appears to be) Probably with Nemona as champion (Player character is like Red, and just retires). With Eri, Larry and I'm not sure who else as the rest of the Elite 4, and one of Team Star taking over Larry's gym. (Allowing the poor man to take it easy)
Geeta's team is fine (though I'd probably replace Avalugg), but the problem is her order. Kingambit should be last, and Glimmora should be second. (Espathra still first to counter setup with Opportunist.)
I think her team does a poor job showcasing paldea for the most part. Most champions don't have native teams (looking at leon with charizard as an ace) but the only pokemon she uses that I think represents the region well are kingambit and Glimmora. Imo replace gogoat and avalugg with a ceruledge/armarouge and a goldengho and suddenly she's a lot more imposing.
I think we're going to get S/V sequels, and I really look forward to a more developed Paldea.
I don't think the gym leaders having jobs is an indication of the region's early history. BW Gym leaders all famously do things outside battling/leading trainers and enforcing the law
I think the second dlc might involve the new establishment of a proper elite 4 and champion, with the whole tournament tournament thing
i think Larry commented that he prefers using Normal Types, so unless he becomes a Normall Type Elite 4, he's probably sticking around Medali.
Isn't Nemona canonically the strongest champion in Paldea? Geeta admitted that even when Nemona battled her for the Champion Rank (and won) that Nemona wasn't going all out.
That what i have been saying too. Geeta can't be worst champion if she is not champion.
Not necessarily. We dont know who else passed the test. There coulda been a lot more, though that does mean that nemona is the best champion we know about. I feel like arven and penny could also become champion trainers if they wanted to.
@@jamtone4492 I struggled with the fighting member of team star because I didn't have a counter.
@Gabriel Carrasco ok?
The player character was the only person tasked with taking team star down. Every other chamion only beat whichever gym leaders there were at the time and the elite four.
I dont know how thats relevent to whether or not there was another champion still alive that could beat nemona?
It's implied that there are multiple people of Champion Rank (Arven and Penny are both stated to be Champion Rank Trainers, if not in title then in skill.) Galar doesn't have just one set Champion unlike other regions, being a champion is a Rank that anyone can achieve by clearing the Gym Circuit and then going on to challenge and defeat the Elite 4 + Geeta.
I mean like i assume Geeta is the Top Champ cause she’s the Chairwomen so, she just put herself in that place
True😂😂😂😂
@@xionmemoria I like to imagine she is just 4 Pokémon under her coat so plural
That makes more sense than her actually being champion through actual merit
@@hitmanscat5865 Four cyclizar in an overcoat.
Paldea is as Corrupt as the real Spain?
I’m convinced the only reason that Paldea has the weird Champion System that it does, is because if it had a Traditional one, Geeta would lose the throne so fast. I’m half convinced she’s somehow responsible for this Whack Champion System, and secretly bribed her way in.
She did it bribe her way in she made the dang system
Making a System that benefits you above everyone else is just rigging it with extra steps.
I hope that Geeta will get a third fight where she reveals that the team that she used was just a team who was maked only for "weak" trainers like us and Nemona and then she fights us with a better team (and using Glimmora first), and before the fight she should say:"Now I will show you why i'm the TOP Champion."
During the fight she would mock us by saying how she wasn't even remotly trying with her original team
Unlikely to happen. Geeta is just terrible at her job
You know that would make a lot of sense.
Keep the gogoat on it though. I like that she uses a gogoat :)
Would be very contradictory though, as she straight up says she cant hold back in battle during the champion fight. Think we just have to accept she is by far the worst champion and move on
@@Thecloaker_ I like how the champion uses this fairly not-strong Pokémon in their team but gogoat just suuuuuuucks sooooo hardddd.
There's always been a little theory that gym leaders are using regulation teams rather than their own personal preferred teams which has been implied to various degrees throughout the generations, especially during rematches and such. Trainers like Nemona and Larry in this game are directly shown to have different teams for different purposes, so I really think it'd make sense if Geeta is attempting to make challenging the league a little more accessible by nerfing herself a little. If she's acting just as much "Chairwoman of the school" as she is of the League, it'd kinda make sense for her to set up a situation where trainers can think "wait, why don't you lead with Glimmora and save Kingambit for last?" and feel clever for figuring that out. Not that it doesn't make for underwhelming gameplay :p
On the other hand, her own battle experience is mainly against students and her own Elite 4, right? Nemona's whole thing is that she needs more challenging battles to help her grow as a trainer. She wants you to beat her to give her a new goalpost to strive for and someone to share it with at the same time.
Conversely, Geeta hasn't really been battling trainers on her own level either. From her perspective, her skills aren't really being challenged because challengers are here to test their own skills more than anything. So there's a significant skill gap between her and the people who beat her, as well. She's hit a skill ceiling but she's not making the effort to raise that ceiling because she WANTS people to surpass her, her stated goal is to make the League stronger rather than herself as a trainer.
It would have been fun if she had a post-game "let me show you my REAL power" moment too, though.
It’s outright confirmed in gen 4 where you can rematch the gym leaders of Sinnoh, Johto, and Kanto in the various games and they’ll have far stronger teams. The Pokemon World Tournament in B/W 2 also shows every gym leader up to that point in the series with stronger teams champions as well but the canonicity of the PWT extra rounds are a touch debatable.
@@triforceofcourage100Not to mention in B/W2 Cheren actually states that he wished he got to use his actual team when you beat him. Most regions, save Galar, most definitely have Gym Leaders adjust accordingly to the badges a trainer has when they are challenged. It would make no sense for someone from Lavender Town to go all the way to Pewter to challenge Brock, or someone from Lilycove travelling across Hoenn to battle Roxanne first. This is contrasted with Galar where the Pokemon League challenge is treated more as a Nation Cup thing with the League sponsoring hotel accommodations so that trainers can battle the Gym Leaders in pre-set orders, especially with all of them having to go through Kabu as the 3rd gym leader (as opposed to someone from Ballonlea starting with Opal, heading down to Milo and maybe going for Nessa instead of Kabu first.)
And, yes, agree on the rematch - those teams are what are considered the gym leader's actual strongest 'mons. It'd be downright illegal for Roxanne to fight you with her Lv. 47 Aerodactyl if you don't even have badges and your starter is only at Lv. 12.
*Lillie flash back to Nessa lesson Number* You’re team order is important… If you have your ace and really want to go all out use it properly too.
To answer that last question, I thought out of everyone in the game it would be Geeta who would have trained a Gholdengo. I was so shocked when I beat her and didn't see a Gholdengo. Leon had Aegislash so I just assumed Geeta must have a Gholdengo on her team and no. So Gholdengo would be my choice.
Gholdengo even helps the poison strat by blocking hazard removal.
You know, these results shouldn't come as a surprise. The degree to which Geeta fail, though, that is suprising. No wonder she likes to ask others to assess the gym circuit in her place.
As someone who doesn't play Pokemon, I really like the addition of the text clarifying the various moves effects. It really helps keep track of what's going on.
Yeah most of the gym leaders would crush her for REAL.
There are a tonne of great romhacks out there for free, you really should try one if you ever have the time.
Maybe it's because of the limited options you find at the start of the game and the level caps she evolve them at, she would probably just sweep the earlier Gym Leaders teams with her overleveled team like a legendary spammer.
Yeah the test doesn't really prove much, Espathra is one of the best non-legendary competitive mons but Flittle sucks ass.
@@python1972 IMPULSE Espathra is busted. Regular one is very mediocre.
Two things I noticed during this run that kinda make it difficult to put an official answer to if she could become champion or not:
1. The gym leaders were not the same prior to our character's adventure. For example, Ms. Tyme being a gym leader. That would definitely affect the experience of her gym run.
2. Titans and Team Star wouldn't have been something she'd have to deal with. Anything related to these fights should not count against her, as these aspects are unique to our specific journey and time period.
Great video though and I enjoyed the thought process a lot!
A concept for changing Geeta's Team, with a little explanation for each pokemon. Just a silly little set of ideas.
Keep Glimmora, but make that be the pokemon that she starts the battle with, for obvious reasons. She wants to be the top she'll need to abuse that toxicity.
Make her carry either a Ceruledge or an Armarouge. Ceruledge if you play Scarlet, Armarouge if you play Violet, that way if the player has one, she has the other.
She could probably keep Gogoat, but personally I feel Arboliva is the better option, if only to keep showing off the new pokemon of gen 9.
May just say keep Avalugg since it's such a weird, and kind of dumb and out there pick, it'd also be kind of unexpected at the same time from someone called the top champion, while also showing off how strong Avalugg could be.
Gholdengo may be a good choice for her team, since chances are there were players that ignored Gimmighoul when first playing the game and it'd be like a "whoa what is THAT thing?" feel to it.
Make Kingambit her ace, that way she can be like "Behold, the pokemon that stands atop all others", suddenly that pokemon is a lot scarier.
Glimmora is her ace for what we can assume are some vague story reasons with Glimmora's ties to Area Zero. If that never gets expanded on I will be angry cause it would seem like such a bad decision on all fronts then
@@shyguyrocks1Her Ace is her worst utilized mon oof.
Making Kingambit her ace instead of Glimmora is such a no-brainer it's surprising Gamefreak didn't do that. Hell, they could've even made it shiny - it fits her colors and is a lot more memorable!
@@RezzSubs It's too hard for the actual children who play this game. King Gambit jusy sweeping your whole team is way worse than any other champion ever.
@@rollfaceonkeyboard Worse than a Mega-Metagross, the perfect EV's and IV's Garchomp or an eight Pokemon battle?
So, the supposed reason Geeta's ace is Glimmora owes to the Elite Four and Champion matching up types with the Titan Pokémon. Ground, Steel, Flying, and Dragon are covered by the Elite Four, so Geeta needed an ace that would be a Rock-type to match up with the remaining Titan.
But Great Tusk isn’t a steel type
@ZakanaHachihaCBC the donphans are both ground so his logic makes sense and also orthoworm is just steel
So we’re not supposed to change the ace, but only the supporting Pokémon
I've always believed that besides making Glimmora her lead she could probably change her Avalugg or Veluza to either a Cyclizar or an Orthworm for Shed Tail support, while changing the rest of the team to be more based on setting up and sweeping. Giving her a speed boost calm mind stored power Espathra would probably snowball insanely fast for the average person if they don't have a Dark type (and even then it can have Dazzling Gleam). Besides that Gogoat with Bulk Up and recovery moves would become a problem in in-game battles, or the already surprisingly bulky to non-fighting type attacks Kingambit with Swords Dance.
It's probably the thing that feels the worst about this team; the way with just a few changes she would go from "absolute garbage of a team" to "most likely lose the first time you see her because you don't know what she's going to do"
But avalug is cool
I wish she used a Ceruledge, but just for the game variety overall. And Veluza is such trash with that low speed stat. Would Palafin make her too hard?
@@diamondinmyeye6160 but... avalug is cool
Dont disrespect veluza
@@kariemacmackin5915 but ice is a shit defensive typing, have avalugg tera steel, then it's good
The fact even Vasko got so many Ls for this just kinda prooves Geeta's team is undesireable, especially in the order it is in. The moment he put Glimmet in first, he wins against Kofu.
Edit: Diantha's team stands out in that it features kalos-native pokemon mostly, and includes a mega evolution. Geeta uses non-native Paldea pokemon, that, also generally are fairly unpopulair amongst the community. Veluza does not have a great rep, either.
In story, Diantha also has more aignificance, whereas Geeta just kind of feels like a bump to get over.
Lastly, I think Geeta also gets a bad rep due to how she's written out. Nearly all of the gym leaders and E4 seem to be unhappy about here in some way, which makes the community disregard her more. Only Nemona seems to look up to Geeta. The rest really just don't want to even want her around, from my understanding.
To get back on Diantha rq; many speak if her as a great trainer, in contrast to Geeta.
Diantha isn't a bad champion for a weak team, she's a bad champion because she just doesn't show up in the story enough people people to care about her. Blue is your rival throughout the journey, Lance shows up and takes down team rocket with you, Steven is outside of the pokemon league doing his research, Cynthia runs into you multiple times throughout the region and in platinum helps you out in the distortion world, Alder and Iris both show up a couple of times in their games with Alder even being a major stepping stone for N, Then we get to Diantha who is just a movie star and that's about all we learn about her from XY.
I assure you any team with a Tyrantrun will be memorable
I think Diantha showed up literally once in the story
@@morphstarchangeling8024 Diantha's team is bad for a lot of reasons. It's a pastiche of the ace's of others. It's the only trainer to Mega in this game besides the tutorial and Lysandre and the Pokémon of choice isn't native to Kalos. Goodra is completely overlooked in her team. Aurorus is just straight up not good. I would like her to have a pure Kalosian team of non-repeats but that's impossible.
Honestly? I would make her team consist of Furfrou (surprisingly physically bulky, basically 120 Def because of ability, and being only week to fighting, it would be likely to bait Physical moves; proceed to punish with STAB Giga Impact that could be even worse with held items) no one would see it coming on their first playthrough; Goodra with Hydration and Rain Dance and Toxicroak could be a great follow up for coverage in the rain if it has Dry Skin; she can keep the Gardevoir but it wouldn't be her Mega or her ace, and tbqh it wouldn't be bad if it was switched for a Gothitelle, as good and less overused; Klefki would probably be a very good first 'mon as a setter. Her ace would absolutely should be a Mega Diancie.
"But Mega Diancie wasn't a thing until ORAS and Diancie is a Mythical" it simply shouldn't have been. Make it a rare evolution method for a 1/1000 Carbink or something as its lore is. Gen 6 already had Volcanion and Hoopa and the very next gen would introduce Magearna which serves almost the same purpose. Nothing of valor would be lost if it wasn't Mythical and was instead some pseudo pseudo-legendary thing like Volcarona.
Besides, she does have more moments. She is acquainted to both Lysandre and Sycamore and she does talk to them both about team Flare. It's just that she does nothing about it.
@@jpcsdutra XY has 0, count them 0 Kalos native Pokemon with a Mega and ORAS added one and its a Mythical which Game Freak won't put on a Champ team.
Diantha is also modeled after a Gardevoir so if she's not using it as her ass her entire look needs to change.
O agree that Aurorus isn't good, but the rest of her team is fine for the most part. Hawlucha needs Unburden and an Item, Tyrantrum needs Rock Head to go with that Head Smash and the rest of her team is fine as far as Game Freak difficulty goes, this just that XY level scaling was bad. Bump her levels a bit and she's perfectly workable.
Geeta... Geeta I need to replace half of her team.
Fun fact but I tested out Geeta’s team on Showdown and all her pokemon seemed fine the problem is she should have started with her Toxic Debris mon and kept Kingambit last cus of its ability
Glimorra is fine, but it must be a lead, Esperanth (or whatever its called) is apparently great but its move list for her is terrible and Kinggambit is a solid beatstick.
The other 3 suck. Gogoat is maybe, *maybe* workable if it gets Milk Drink to be a tank but Avalugg and the fish are just bad. She should have had a Baxcalibur and one of the Tauros variants.
@@hawkticus_history_corner I think Palafin and maybe Gholdengo would be better or just Palafin if she switches it out to show its power and since Hasse uses Baxcalibur champions tend to not use psuedo legendaries if an elite 4 member uses them cus it fits their type specialty
@@HarveeFriend I wouldn't use Gholdengo on account of the thing being obnoxious, kinda the same with Palafin really, probably overwhelming for casuals.
Dodongo may be a better replacement
@@hawkticus_history_corner true but I mean GF did make the elite 4 in bdsp competitive so i don’t think they care about the casuals anymore
Or maybe they do as they got rid of set mode and only ILCA don’t since they are the ones who made bdsp but still
@@HarveeFriend Except that wasn't GF, that was a different studio, who I am convinced where shackled by unreasonable time and various stupid demands which is why BDSP wasn't a Platinum based remake. And the the fact that the E4 has sensible stat spreads and items is part of that.
And getting rid of Set mode is one of the dumbest things they've ever done alongside the XP share changes. Just utterly pointless removal of features
One thing I realised the first time I played the game was that most of her pokemons could be found in Area Zero. Lore wise, this could mean that she learned about the pokemon natives to Area Zero and either got there or catched them because of this.
And their unevolved forms are absolutely nowhere else in Paldea….. oh hang on.
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All this makes me truly wonder if the team she fights us with is the actual team she uses normally or just the team she uses for the assessment and thus the only team we ever see her with.
You know, a lot of people keep giving Geeta flack for her Pokemon choice and lineup, but I have a theory as to why it is what it is. During her pre-battle speech Geeta notes she has a trait that is unbecoming of being a chairwoman: she is unable to hold back during battles. As such, it's possible Geeta at least does her best to handicap herself before the heat of battle by making these deliberate choices. Who knows? Maybe you're the first test subject for Geeta to handicap herself by making less tactical choices.
Furthermore, as someone else also theorized, we only ever battle Geeta to earn a Champion Rank, not title. It's not like Sun and Moon where we fight for and later on defend our position of Champion. Instead, we're being tested by the Elite Four and Champion Chairwoman to see if we're good enough to claim the rank of Champion, not to be the Champion and take over the position
Giving yourself a handicap *is* “holding back.”
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic I disagree. I rechallenged the gymleaders with semi random teams consisting of no type overlaps and no delibate advantages, capped at lvl 55 - no inbattle items. In terms of training I obviously held back, but I had to go full out during the battles. The only one that gave me a hard time was Kofu and his horrifying Clawitzer. Even had to break the items rule for that one. It was a trainwreck. 😂
@@Locormus2
You can perform well within your means, but at the end of the day that ceiling is still there.
It’s like wearing weighted training clothes=> it doesn’t matter how used to it you are or how well you fight in them… you aren’t truly “going all out” until they come off.
A limitation is a limitation.
You capped yourself to begin with, no matter how hard you tried; end of story.
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic Fair enough, but it does feel subjective in the moment.
Cope bruh
Maybe it’s just me, but Geeta feels like more of head-empty character than most, she just uses big words but none of it means anything 😂
Honestly, I kinda respect her more after this. She took a team, not of super strong pokemon, but of ones she liked, fought, lost, trained harder, and overcame in order to become champion.
Well, a lot of the Pokémon she uses are good, she is just completely awful at using them
she's just awful at using them
That’s what’s so frustrating: That’s great! That’s nice! But she doesn’t use them to their full advantage to make up for it. :(
Karen would be proud and furious
🤢🤮she’s terrible
Looks like Game Freak listened for once, and gave her intelligence for battle.
Young Geeta: "I challenge you me from the future"
Old Geeta: "I accept your challenge, younger me!"
Before Eri a FUGHTING TYPE SPECIALIST you evolved your bisharp into a kingambit with is a DARK STEEL TYPE which is QUAD WEAK TO FIGHTING
Bisharp is already 4 times weak to fight so where is the problem?
@@magolorthegreat809 wait bisharp was already dark steel huh I thought it was just steel
@@jellyhamsters6197 Yes, Bisharp is Dark/Steel, so was quad weak regardless of evolution
I thought she deliberately uses a weak team because of her inability to hold back, it makes sense that she uses a team barely above the champion benchmark to test new champions.
I’m glad they fixed her strategy and sort of her team on Indigo Disk. Way more challenging and fun battle!
Plot twist: Geeta's original team left her because they werent payed enough food, and it happened right before you start your adventure
If I were to design Geeta's team, I would give her:
1. Glimmora - I think it would be cool if she lead with her ace unlike previous Champions. I know most Champion teams don't have held items, but an Eject Button would probably benefit it. That way, it gets more time to shine later while (hopefully) activating its Ability. I think it would also be interesting if an NPC used the Terastal phenomenon early instead. It's Tera Type would remain Rock.
2. Gogoat - Gogoat is a cool Pokémon with decent stats. I also think it is one of Geeta's better team members in her actual team.
3. Kingambit - Kingambit would be her last Pokémon due to its Ability. If Geeta had used Kingambit later on, it definitely would have been more troublesome. If possible, it should be given a Focus Sash to prevent it from immediately being knocked out by a Fighting-type move.
4. Gothitelle - This Pokémon better fits the theme I was aiming for than Espathra. Also, I don't know why, but Gothitelle seems like it fits Geeta's aesthetics.
5. Gholdengo - I think at least one NPC Trainer should have used Gholdengo so players can at least have it registered in their Dex. I also see Geeta being patient enough to collect 999 coins.
6. Dragonite - I think every Champion, excluding Blue, Wallace, and Alder, should have a Pseudo-Legendary. I would have liked to give Geeta Baxcalibur, but it doesn't fit the theme I was going for. I will explain later on. Dragonite is a tough Pokémon I can see Geeta being patient enough to train. Also, I think Dragonite's warm and nurturing characteristics counter Geeta's somewhat cool personality (cool as in cold).
This isn't exactly the order I would suggest. I mainly arranged the team by the order I think Geeta would catch them on her journey. Glimmora would definitely lead the battle while Kingambit ends it. I chose these Pokémon because they all have the letter G in their names. A majority of Geeta's team already had this in common, so I just went with it. I'm not sure if it's much better, but at least it has one less weakness that half of her team shares.
I agree that every champion should have a pseudo legendary, it just feels right since they're supposedly meant to be the best of the best
I think Geeta's team is supposed to represent each environment in Paldea, so Bax could work.
Him constantly calling Skiddo "Skiddoo" hurt my soul
I've been missing out on a lot of these runs, but this one I had to watch eventually. Geeta looked super promising, it really sucks how she ended up so weak. At least we got Nemona as the better fight afterwards.
(Also ngl: this video actually makes me think it would have been pretty cool to have Clavell as a top champion as well. I am not saying that he needs to be the definitive champion, just having him as a former top champion or something would have been very cool.)
I would change her team.
1.Glimmora - Toxic debris
Power gem
Sludge bomb
Energy ball
Reflect
2. Garganacl - Purifying Salt
Salt cure
Fire punch
Explosion
Protect
3. Espartha - Speed Boost
Lumina crash
Dazzling gleam
Roost
Light screen / Calm Mind
4. Cyclizar - Regenerator
Dragon Claw
Iron head
U-turn
Shift gear
5. Gholdengo
Make it rain
Nasty plot
Shadow ball
Thunderbolt
6. Kingambit - Supreme Overload
Kowtow cleave
Zen headbutt
Tera blast (water)
Acrobatics / Dig
I think that those mons, in that order with those moves and abilities would make her a respectable challange.
The goal wasn't to go complete tryhard. I only wanted to use Paldean pokemon. And I know there's some slight overlap but I don't it's too detrimental. She's still not on Cynthia's level, but I could respect this as a champion's team. Also no Bax cuz the elite 4 already showed him off.
Can I just say I absolutely love your production values? Things like using the selfie feature, all your own transitions, stuff like that really elevates a video!
I like to think the Pokemon League realized that 10 year olds kept becoming champion for 20 minutes, then giving up the rank, so just said "f**k it" and let all of them be champion.
Time to redo this with Geeta's Updated Supreboss Champion team
So to improve Greeta's team all we really need to do is make glimora here first sent out and make kinggambit here ace and teach it sucker punch now you have toxic spikes for the whole battle and a supreme overload kinggambit that teras into a dark type with stab sucker punch and now is not 4x weak to fighting type moves
Glimmora could still be the ace. We have precedent for this in Guzma, who always lead with his ace, Golisopod. An ace just has to be your crucial lynchpin. It doesn't always need to be last.
@@bentowers3614 This is a really good take. After rematching Cynthia in Diamond a year or so ago I realized that one issue with there being a gimmick every generation is that characters always send out their aces last to utilize it, but in older games they would send out their ace in the middle of the battle if it was a reasonable response to the player's Pokemon
Next challenge: Could Sada/Turo ever become professor?
Looks like you may have to make another video after her rematch in the dlc.
I feel like Geeta is a nepotism baby and only inherited the rank. She's trying her best tho.
21:56 - THATS major damage ?? 😂
It was like a sixth of its health, MAX lol
The fact we even have to ask this question is hilarious on its own.
So basically, this challenge is impossible. Because you either need to overlevel or transfer her main which I do not count as solutions because they aren't reliable enough. Wow, her team sucks that much and I haven't even played the game yet
Arven and Penny’s final arc fights were honestly more of a threat than Geeta
I agree with arvens, but pennys is too easy and I honestly see clavell as more of a final challenge for that story
Penny was an even bigger disappointment tbh
But Clavell was definitely on the harder end on things, which I liked
Arven was definetly difficult for me and I lot the first time (my first loss that playthrough) but Penny's was easy because I am much more knowledgeable on the Eeveelutions so it was easy to figure out the right pokemon to wreck each of her pokemon. Also her AI tended to try the same move that didn't work, like she was trying to set something up but kept failing. It was at least more interesting a situation than Geeta. Was so worried about her team and was shocked at how bad I was destroying the champion. Oddly also didn't have a bad time with Nemona either, to the point I never even terastalized for her, Arven was my biggest threat in the base game.
Geeta’s ultimate team:
1. Glimmora, send it out to set up spikes and toxic debris. Moves: spikes, dazzling gleam, power gem and sludge bomb.
2. Grimmsnarl, ability: prankster. Moves: light screen, reflect, spirit break and false surrender.
3. Gothitelle, ability: competitive. Moves: psychic, fake tears, thunderbolt and mirror coat.
4. Gholdengo ( like Cynthia’s spiritomb but way harder to find.) moves: make it rain, shadow ball, recover and confuse ray.
5. The starter strong against yours.
- Meowscarada: with flower trick, knock off, play rough and thunder punch.
- Skeledirge: torch song, shadow ball, earth power and overheat.
- Quaquaval: aqua step, close combat, feather dance and ice spinner.
6. Her actual ace: Kingambit with supreme overlord. With ghost tera type. Known moves: terra blast, kowtow cleave, retaliate and iron head.
I tried giving Geeta a team with the pokemon that fit her character design the best.
It's interesting to consider what Geeta's road to becoming top champion would have actually looked like. Obviously on her way to the top she never had to battle Turo/Sada and probably not the Team Star leaders, who were likely just still students at the academy or hadn't even enrolled yet, or all these "villains" would've been shut down prior to the player ever embarking on their Pokemon journey. She also would have faced Thyme and not Rhyme, or maybe there were other gym leaders altogether. While she is definitely the weakest champion from our perspective, perhaps in her youth things were so different that she actually did quite well. That said, this was such a fun video!
Oh man captain Astronaut that's a cameo I didn't expect!
One simple change to Geetas team and she becomes unstoppable. Use an ability patch on her espathra and teach her Stored Power, calm mind and dazzling gleam. Then she sweeps through the entire game on her own. That's what I did on mine when I realized she had speedboost
Wait... The bug gym has a trainer?
I just punted the olive over the gates instead of going around so I had no clue
I beat playing as Geeta gave you so much anxiety. It surely did for me just now! Great video as always!
Geeta was a joke to battle. Nemona was more of a challenge than Geeta could ever pray to be.
I had a lot of trouble with Geeta on my playthrough. Granted, I was a good 5-10 levels below her team, but that was the same with every trainer I fought. Her Kingambit is a real pain to get through, and if you don't have a good Pokemon ready for her Glimmora it can take your down with its surprisingly high Special Attack stat.
Larry's still the real champ in my eyes. Huge difficulty spike.
As for weakest Champion, nobody will ever be worse than Diantha. If I could beat her first try blind with only four Pokemon on my team (Crustle, Ludicolo, Garbodor, and Stunfisk), I don't think she can even be counted as a Champion.
I mean she was pretty easy I one shot all Geetas Pokémon
How to make Geeta good: Palafin.
Geeta: you are no champion…you are…
Cynthia: DEATH. And I don’t mean that metaphorically or rhetorically or poetically or theoretically or any other fancy way. I’m death. Straight up…and I’ve come for you, Geeta.
Yeap
if I were to rework geetas team using only paldean pokemon id have them be in this order:
1palafin with an instant switch out to glimmora
2glimmora
3armrouge/ceruledge depending on the game
4garganacle
5baxcalibur
6kingambit with a ghost terra type or a steel terra type if it has to be one of the two original types.
*this* would be a challenging and memorable team
So, interesting tidbit, Geeta's shoddy team was intentional. She's holding back. You can rematch her in Indigo Disk, and she leads with her Glimmora there, saving Kingambit for last. She also uses Chesnaught and Dragapult, instead of Gogoat and Veluza.
her revised team from indigo disk added Chesnaught and dragapult removing Gogoat and Veluza
I've learned that gogoat is THE goat
Her team was an assessment. You see her actual team in Indigo Disk. Everything, with hindsight, can be seen as playing her part for the whole champion assessment and a red herring for Nemona's fight
Glimmora Lead with Stealth Rock
Armarouge (Scarlet Exclusive and way stronger than Espathra)
Water Tauros (Violet Exclusive, stops her from getting swept by literally any Skeledirge)
Gholdengo (the Paldean equivalent of Cynthia's Spiritomb)
Arboliva (overall just really strong and symbolizes victory, adds the primary type core to her team)
Kingambit with Sucker Punch and Tera Dark, to get the 1.5x boost from Supreme Overlord, and then the additional 1.5x dark type boost from added Tera stab to kill what's left of your team (will probably get walled by Tinkaton)
There is no way that you unironically said that Armarouge is better...
@@Gunther69420 if you really want to get into this, armarouge with the standard HP investment e4 Pokemon get can live a shadow ball from Skeledirge, a Night Slash from Meowscarada, and an Aqua Step from Quaquaval, and also stops Skeledirge from setting up Torch Songs
Oh and if that wasn't enough it removes fighting types so Kingambit can Tera Dark Sucker Punch its way through whatever is left of your team after you deal with the other threats on her team
Espathra stops Skeledirge with Opportunist but doesn't have nearly enough bulk or longevity to actually make it a threatening long term Pokemon, nor does base game Geeta have any special attackers aside from Glimmora (who always comes out last) to take advantage of the Lumina Crash drops
@@Gunther69420 in singles though Espathra clears, Speed Boost Stored Power is really cool
Armarouge is just better in the context of the team I drafted specifically to make Geeta actually harder (and makes a Fire Water Grass core)
I feel like the Velusa could be subbed for a lead paladin to stop the type overlap, and the avelug and gogoat (yes I know it kinda carried this run) could be swapped for cetitan and arboliva/ toadscruel respectively to give her more paldean Pokémon. She would end with a different Tera Kingambit like in the dlc with supreme overlord
You know The Professors basically were obsessed with Area 0 since Arven was a kid, sooo there is a chance real Geeta never thought them.
Wait she was the champion?! I thought she was just the secretary we had to get past...
I keep hearing how her employees hate her and all that, and I’m just wondering: are we playing the same game? Geeta’s employees have the same gripes about their supervisor that everyone I have ever worked with have had, specifically around supervisors that they like. Geeta is really focused around improvement and making the region better for the students involved, but outside of personality clashes and pushing people to improve Geeta sounds like a fantastic supervisor.
I will say this, I think Geeta is severely underpowered for a Champion solely because she's not only NOT the final fight in the game, but also not the final fight in the storyline she is a pat of. Nemona is the final fight for the Victory Road path which makes sense why her team is a bit more difficult than Geeta's in my opinion. And seeing how they rectified the team in the Blueberry Academy DLC, I genuinely think they purposefully nerfed her a bit more compared to other "champion" trainers as Nemona was meant to be the true champion battle at the end of the main story. This is just what I thought of
“No… No! I was actually hoping to super sweep everything in the game so I can prove all the Geeta doubter wrong!”
As much as I like your takes on challenges and the story of your runs… something in that voice, the comments on the video, and the way you determined the answer to if she could… I have to press X to doubt on that one…
Uhm.. Pawniard is available in the same SouthernProvince area as Skiddo. Southern Province Area 5. There's no reason to believe she didn't have a Pawniard, when she has a Skiddo and Flittle from that area.
With these rules. Lance would have an even awful time as he would only have magikarp for most badges.
Lance also has 3 pseudo legendaries on his team (= difficult to find and catch, not usually available early game) and 2 other pokemon only obtainable post-game. This is not the case for Geeta
At least the Kalos champion used decent pokemon unlike Geeta; I mean GOGOAT!?!??
Leon was pretty tough, if unbalanced type wise depending on what starter you chose. Nessa... was also a character in Sword and Shield. Seriously though, great video.
How was Leon hard? He had 2 good pokemon, 3 useless ones and a decent Charizard.
Geeta may be trash but at least people remember that she exists, unlike Wallace.
Geeta, Paldea's Champion, initially disappointed trainers with her lackluster presentation. However, imagine the thrill if she revealed a new strategy in her third battle. With her formidable Glimmora leading the charge, toxic spikes would spread while she confidently declared, "Now, I'll show you why I'm the unrivaled Champion!" This unexpected twist would inject excitement and reaffirm Geeta's status as the pinnacle of strength in Paldea.
So what you are saying is that canonically geeta's Pokémon hate her.
Switching Glimora to be the first pokemon and Kingambit to be the last would improve her strategy a lot
6:52 I explored Most of the Map using the Teleporting Trainer Exploit to get out to the Main World and I can bluntly tell you that only the Ocean and most High Cliffs are barred to use. I was able to enter ALL Towns and Gyms on Foot without access to the Ride Pokemon and unlocked those Fast Travel Points in Most Watchtowers. Only Veluza was barred to you before you get the Surf Ability unless you get a very lucky spawn when you are near the Water.
if i be honest for geeta it be cool instead her team is like 6 pseudo legendaries that you can get in the game
if i could remake geeta's team, i would give her several psudo legendary pokemon as well as make her team have connections to paldea's past, area zero and the paradoxes:
-glimmora: good for hazards, stays due to being her ingame "ace"
-volcarona: strong bug type, foreshadow slither wing and iron moth
-hydreigon: pseudo legendary, foreshadow iron jugulis
-salamence: pseudo legendary, foreshadow roaring moon
-gholdengo: very rare and powerful, the coins are part of paldea's histoty
-tyranitar (ace, tera rock): pseudo legendary, foreshadow iron thorns... is the ace because every other teratype has a specialist in paldea
My guy friendship is a mechanic like healing so it can be allowed if your not doing it because of heals well no one switches nor heal in Paldea
12:19 The Tera Hat is so small! It’s so cute but it also looks so silly?!
geeta isn't called top champion because she's strong, it's because she's a top
lord I wish she'd top me
Now that indigo disk is out, this playthrough needs a second go around, don't you think?
I totally agree on Geeta being the worst but I have no idea how strong Diantha actually is since I played the insane version of the Eternal X hack where she only used legendaries.
For me, Diantha would fare better against Lance. Goodra, Amauros and Mega Gardevoir are good counters for a Dragon expert. I agree that Diantha is easy but atleast you can see in her team why she's a Champion. Geeta tho...I dunno.
@@rorororroror12 yeah diantha isn't bad she just gets totally clapped by the mega lucario that is on literally every kalos team
Diantha is pretty damn weak, but her Goodra and Mega Gardevoir are so strong that when I run the numbers, Diantha is actually favoured to win.
Edit: This is in spite of some pretty lousy matchups against Geeta's Espathra and Kingambit, btw.
Diantha in a vacuum isn't actually that weak of a champion, it's just that the game straight up gives you her team's biggest counters
@@bubalackgaming8892 It's also a matter of the whole damn game being easy
So... what is it that makes you think Geeta only ever captured 6 Pokemon and never used anything else? That makes no sense at all...
Geeta is the top champion not because she has a strong team, but because she somehow didn't immediately give up with an ass one.
Also yes Gogoat is extremely underrated
_”Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win with the Pokémon they love best.”_
-Karen (Johto Elite Four)
She could have at least played to her teams strengths, like starting with Glimmora and ending with Kingambit
Like I’m not against her team composition, only the order of pokemon
@@MortalOrder I feel like that was def just a handicap cause wtf
@@aetriandimitri190 I don’t need a handicap I’m sweeping with my team of 5 that includes a physical attacking Hypno
“Skid-doo” is killing me 😂 It’s just Skiddo, like “kiddo”.
The only Pokémon I've seen get stuck in Larry's floor are
-tinkaton
-toxapex
-pawniard
First was from rtgames run,second my violet run,and now here.maybe it picks a Mon this happens to? But why only one in each team?
My daushbun clipped through thr floor while fightng Larry
This sounds like something that's only happening to shorter mons, so it must have something to do with the model.
And finally she has a good team in the DLC
I want Geeta to reveal herself as evil in the dlc, i really hated how mocking it felt that her team is just that weak.