Rabbi Manis Fiedman's Big Mistake? Really?
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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The Ramchal writes in sefer derech hashem, that g-d is the ultimate good, and therefore he desires to give from his good to other creations.
So therefore, when he gave israel the torah, he gave them the way to perfect their souls and
become closer to perfection.
But in no way does g-d need us.
He wants to bless . He wants us to be worthy of His blessings . ergo He needs us!
He needs us to get perfected in order to be able to bestow goodness
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yes but he does not need us, like you and me need food and water to survive.
@@matisyahup613 true. Because our need for food and water and our need to survive are ALL insignificant temporary needs that dont apply to a timeless god.
Gods needs are MORE profound than ours. Never less.
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Incorrect. There is no comparison between us and g-d in any capacity.
To say his needs are higher than ours implies he has needs which is also false. Look in Rambam hilchos yesodei hatorah (1:7) where it says clearly no comparison can be made between us and hashem. We truly know nothing.
The problem is manis freedman doesn’t quote a single source from our mesorah for his philosophies and teachings. Every when asked to, it seems he cannot. To make such a claim about the Creator of the universe and not have sources is a big problem
Manis is a heretic that speaks against his own lectures from decades ago.
Did you bother to ask him? You dont seem to care.
@@NeshamaNation yeah I did actually. Learn before you accuse
The sources are almost every verse in the Torah, and almost every maamar chazal.. Should he spend a whole year transcribing the entire Torah to bring out this fundamental point 😂 ?
@@hindareizes2556absolutely false
If: "We need God", it allows us to remain children.
But if: "God needs us" this is a problem. Because it requires us to be mature, take responsibility and carry out the mission for which we came here.
I am so glad you did this video Rabbi Katz. This Rabbi in the video's argument is not entirely intellectually honest. He implied that Rabbi Manis Friedman is advising Jews to abandon 'religion'. That is an absolutely absurd,, and is even a defaming assertion that Rabbi Friedman would ever teach anything to weaken Torah observance. Doesn't he know of Rabbi Friedman's multi decade long life dedication to the exact opposite, to strengthening Torah observance, and that Rabbi Friedman single handedly brought back literally tens of thousands of Jews to Torah? Or does this Rabbi in the video Rabbi Katz is critiquing, simply totally misunderstand Rabbi Friedman's point when he says ' don't be religious'. What Rabbi Friedman means is do not be dogmatic, do not do Torah and mitzvos in a rote manner without feeling connected to Hashem, and do not allow being so-called 'religious' to become all consuming to the point where Jewish practice becomes even more important and higher than Hashem Himself. Always remember before one stands! And always keep in mind that the word 'mitzvah' means connection, that we are in a reciprocal relationship with Hashem, and although He is perfect and All Powerful and can do anything, he still chooses to be affected by our actions, and as Rabbi Friedman says, could Hashem have shown greater love and given us a greater compliment than this?
What does this lady say about rabbi friedman, I don't understand
Mitzvah is what is commanded the verb is tzevah, or to command
On the basic level. But it also means connect on a deeper level. We connect to Hashem through the commandments.
Torah and G-d's word is not religion. I have been in religion, and anyone reads this, turn your back against religion and run to the Torah.
What you say makes sense. When someone who doesnt get the nuances of a different language and culture ( here, American) takes things literally, as Rabbi Kachlon seemed to do, he will miss the point.
And, its important to spell out all the sources, not just some.
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To go on RUclips and speak words of disrespect about another Rabbi is
Lashon Hara. Stones hear your words and are a witness against you before G-d.
No it's not. He is condemning an Idea that is put out there on RUclips. It's simply not loshon hora. It's Torah and even if right or wrong should be discussed openly
I really like Manis Friedman, he doesn't deserve the hate.
Lashon Hara straight from his disrespect for a Rabbi.
I like him too and the way he presents the Torah explanation is understandable and conducive.
He is a heretic and he protects people who love children to much.
I don't see how you answered to Rabbi Kachlons arguments from The Jerusalem Talmud el al
There is simply something deeper here.
I think Rabbi Yakov Shapiro making the best clear case on this issue.
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Santa 🎅 Klaus is the biggest heretic and the number one of raf yosef mizrahis black list. Every one who's listening to Santa can 4get about Judaism. Santa is not better that any reform rabbay who's actually a women.
Thank you SO much for addressing these!
Rabbi Yoni: Would you type the source in Gemara Shabbos here? Plus the chasidic sources you brought? Thanks.
Rabbi Katz amazing video, howevr why when rabbi Manis Friedman talks does he not cite his sources it would takeaway alot of controversy around him.
Exactly
...you are optimistic. Obviously this other orthodoxe willing to explain himself only do so. He's not trying to open any debate but only to reject. That exactly is what rabbi Friedman as Chabbad wisdom never does.
Before you understand what hes saying -you wont understand the sources. After you understand what hes saying - you will find the sources all over.
A simple source is the mishna that says we should serve god for gods sake and not for our own..
@@weeklydaily4775you do not understand the meaning of that Mishna unfortunately
It's amazing Rabbi Katz that you even respond to these people. It's quite obvious that these guys have pretty big ego, although you would expect some humility from an observant Jew. You can see it from the remarks that he makes (שמעתם את השטות) and the insulting names they call rabbi Friedman, which shows that they aren't being humble about it and they are not coming to debate.They are sure that the truth to the matter is on their side without any doubt (since they are such big scholars) , and that's why it's personal to them, you are changing their religion, so it's quite clear that's they are being religious about it. I had a change to correspond with Rabbi Kachlon and there was no one to talk to on this matter.
On the other hand for the rest of the audience it might be important to show that there is a respond and how beautiful it is.
Rabbi Katz respond for rabbi Friedman's audience. We never know on line what are the needs of listeners specially because the orthodoxe man doesn't even organise to talk with rabbi Friedman.
@@alvy4717he doesn't have to when Manis puts his Ideas out there for everyone to see, if it's wrong or heresy it needs to be condemned by other Rabbi's.
I like Rav Friedman and respect him. However, I believe that Hashem needs us...to fulfil His commandments. In other words, He doesn't simply "need us." He needs us to overcome obstacles in life--some that are extremely difficult and inexplicable--which, if ignored, will cause us harm. He gave us detailed instructions on how to do so.
It's up to each of us to follow the instructions. If we don't, then we should not only have to suffer the immediate consequences (i.e., the harm we've brought upon ourselves by choice), but also the consequence for not following His instructions.
For example: If a child is instructed by a parent not to touch the hot stove because he'll get burned--but, does it anyway--then, he has no one to blame other than himself for his injury. The child should also be punished in some way by the parent for not following instructions, which were given for sole purpose of preventing harm.
Hashem is our Father and our King. Like any loving father, He rewards good behavior and punishes bad behavior. Doing so is not for His benefit. He wants us to live a holy and meaningful life...for our sake, not His.
At least you are not angry. Relief!
Shabbat Shalom: Hallelu Yah, Blessed Be He!
....and in the dictionary next to the word deluded we see a photo of who? Wow! All those punishments for disobedience and for what if Hashem don't care what we do? Rabbi Katz you truly need to do an in-depth video, and go line by line in an effort to help redirect this lost sheep back on the right path.
Not enough space here to deal with this issue but it is clear that the style of Rav Manis appeals to a much larger audience and Rabbi Kachlon's style would have next to no appeal in the diaspora.Rav Manis is fighting an uphill battle to save the Jewish community a community that is in some danger of disappearing. Rav Kachlon is not equipped to deal with this community although he probably has another following.
The text in the last two lines of the Chassidic Discourse of the Rebbe emphasizes that you, Moshe, only have the ability through your actions to effect G-d’s name (אדני) that pertains to the revelation of Monarchy in the material, physical plane of existence.
The primary emphasis being that our actions (meaning the performance of mitzvot) only relate to the level of names (עצמות) and not to the level of מהות, meaning G-d transcendent of letters and names.
That what the Rav is quoting from Shas Yerushalmi as the explanation of Iyov, is in fact the view of Chassidut Chabad like is found the first volume of ספר המאמרים בשעה שהקדימו, chapter one.
Like I have written to Manis previously, if you don’t know how to express this properly in English, then it is better to say that you don’t know how to explain this concept than to mislead people into thinking that G-d (במהותו יתברך היינו הקדוש ברוך הוא) needs our actions.
That even though we say that הוא ושמו אחד, meaning He (במהותו) and His name (היינו עצמותו) are one, that is only from the perspective that אין עוד מלבדו, there is nothing apart from Him (in truth), not even His names.
That from our perspective, our only relationship with G-d is via His names.
Exactly it's much deeper than what he is trying to do here. And he didn't even answer on about the Jerusalem Talmud and Iyiv Job.
our relationship with G-d is via His Name- Names ; therefore it's not inappropriate to say He needs us ie to be worthy of blessings.
@@jamessilver6429 That logic is faulty. It also disagrees with general mesorah as discussed by Rabbi Kochlon. Another general principle is that when there are conflicts between logic and Mesorah, we are to follow the Mesorah, not the logic.
@@jamessilver6429 whatever nachas ruach we do for his names, its only for our sake and for our benefit, to connect with him, for our Neshama.
Rabbi Yakov Shapiro also explains this in short, worth the listen.
@@shhiknopfler3912 yes .. but we're the purpose creation. no creation no Name-Names. HE wills wants to have Names ! He wants ther to be a reson for creation to be sustained. so to speak it makes Him happy. no?
thanks for the info for rabi shapiro.i haven't checked it yet.
Rabbi Alon Avana has made a video of his near death experience. The first time he died, and he was sent back by God himself that actually is no joke what was happening to him, and he was told to relate his experience to people by God.
There are many things to consider, but the biggest is for us to always do Teshuva. . That is something God wants from us. It’s even in Psalm 50.:23 He who offers confession honors Me
Can youPLEASE EXCHANGE the word NEED for want
No
That's the whole crux of the matter. Rabbi manis insists no
Thank you Rabbi, for sharing this conversation, it is opening new perspective to G-d.
The moment God "needs" anything he is not God
It's like saying that as soon as a man and a woman "needs" children, they drop from the level of "humans" and are therefore no longer human.
children make them step up, improve, AS human beings.
Great you did so rav Katz ! First if that egorthodoxe would be a little caring, wouldn't it have been simply decent that he'll organise a talk WITH rabbi Friedman ?! Instead of that self sufficient monologue.
If he says it on RUclips, than he is also obligated to say what he thinks is Truth
לדעתי שניהם צודקים..תלוי באיזה בחינות מדברים בז"א(הקדוש ברוך הוא ) מעשים שלנו כן פועל. אבל בכתר( רישא דלא אתידע ) אין שום שינוי בו יתברך וברא אותנו רק להיטיב לנו ..לצרף בריותיו
God doesnt punish us.We punish each other in the name of God.What goes around comes around.If you dont get your punishment here it will be a thousand times worse on the other side.The perp becomes the victime.There are 2 sides to the COIN.Yin and yang.
He is having a hard time to understand the deep meaning of Rab. Manis's.words on the One truth of Torah. I feel kind of sorry for him. Is not easy fell confused. I hope it doesn't end in just a complaining but to have the humility to learn more. 🕊️💙🇮🇱🇵🇪🇺🇲🫂
What?
The thing is that many do not learn to improve but to impose...and the Rh'assiduth Chabbad learn teach give help and share only to improve. Obviously not this egorthodoxe, the real problem in fact is that far too many yeshivoth are teaching his behaviour.