I think this take is pretty faithful to Lucas' vision. Lucas remarked that a principle difference between Vader and Luke was that Vader dealt with things deliberately, whereas Luke was an intuitive being. The ESB duel is TRAGIC for both of them, but Luke recovers from it much better (emotionally and physically). By ROTJ, he is arguably more powerful than Vader, but more importantly he is more accepting of reality and better able to deal with it. Luke falters (the Leia revelation), but in the end he holds firm. Luke needed that physical and emotional resilience to show Vader that he had a way out. Everything Vader does to Luke, leads to Luke saving him.
SWA I am so very delighted to seeing those subscriber numbers goin up! Your persistence has lead to you sharing a great many things w/our Fandom, we otherwise wouldn't know of. We as a Fandom should be greatful for your efforts. So Thank You! I oftentimes share you videos on Star Wars Meg's, Vader's Lair, Star Wars Santa and on X-Wing's discord servers. X-Wing now 🤣....that guy is funny asf&in need of a boost! Perhaps you may reach out to all or any of them to help boost eachother's subscriber numbers, cross promoting eachothers channels for an increase in Sub's? Because imo, we cannot have enough good SW content creator's on RUclips. Or perhaps a monthly round table to go over the SW highlights of the month, And honestly as for this video. I believe that Vader went easy on Luke because of the Father/Son relationship. At least until both hands grasped his lightsaber. Just an opinion&here's wishin you nothing but success, a Happy Holiday! May The Force Be With You...Always
Great video! I’ve always loved how Vader reacts, to Luke’s decision to fall, then after he loses them, walking back as you showed, with a shot of “guy who usually gets choked in these moments.” Yet he doesn’t. It’s the small victory before getting back to the reality that Han was taken to Jabba, and Luke’s gotta see Yoda soon. My only issue with the thought that Luke was ever going to win the duel is moot, as Vader could’ve used the force to choke Luke out if he wanted. Or, at least hold him in place to deliver a death blow. Vader is more interested in convincing Luke, to crush the Emperor with him, which I think leads his emotions to leave him open for the hits Luke gets in.
I believe that as soon as Vader discovered his son, he began playing the long game, as he had a very real opportunity to destroy Sidious. You can almost see 20 years of depression subsiding.
You should read the Darth Vader comics. The first series takes place between A New Hope and Empire. The second series takes place between Empire and Jedi. Sideous knows that Vader was plotting to betray him by recruiting his son. He found it amusing believed that Vader’s attachment to his son made him weak.
I love that point about Vader not choking anyone after Luke's escape in Episode 5, I never really noticed the significance of that, how defeated Vader must feel knowing his son would rather die than join him.
I noticed it long ago. The follow up is in Return of the Jedi when he tells Moff Jerjerrod that the Emperor is not as forgiving as he is. This reinforces the theme that Vader has begun to change.
I only recently noticed and re-watched that scene about 10 times. Just watching him put his hands behind his back, then curiously plod off giving a quick glance at the officers was interesting to watch.
This was a common teaching technique he used with the inquisitors. Teach them loss......... Then he son makes him truly lose. Luke is the best written hero ever.
When Vader says "I destroyed your family," he actually did: he's responsible for Padme's death. It's because of Vader that they're no longer a family. So in essence what he said was true, from a certain point of view...
Or so he thinks he's responsible for Padme's death. I'm still convinced Sidious drained the life from her and gave it to Vader which is why when he takes his first breath in the mask, she takes her last.
I love the subtle detail of the officer at 6:39 pretending to casually note something down, only to glance back at Vader as he passes him. They all noticed he wasn't 100% at that moment.
I've never noticed that! The one guy pretending to be busy. Be funny if Vader slammed him into the wall as he got a few steps away, like nope, this guy gets my wrath instead. Thought he was too wiley for me.
This is totally spot on. When Lucas got with Brackett he told her, "When we kill him off in the next one, we’ll reveal what he really is. He wants to be human-he’s still fighting in his own way the dark side of the Force. He doesn’t want to be a bad man, but he is." And so Vader’s redemption is tied in to his willingness to self-sacrifice. This is reflected in Brackett's draft, when Luke tells Vader, "I would prefer to die," rather than join him. In Kasdan's draft he says, "I'll die first." Luke doesn't say anything of the sort in the final film but we are shown it to be the case. Luke will self-sacrifice rather than turn to the dark side. In ROTJ when Luke throws his sword away he knowingly becomes defenseless against whatever the Emperor wants to throw at him. Twice now, Vader sees that the way out of the dark side is to be willing to die for it and that’s what he does in order to get out.
Brilliant. These light/dark metaphors translate well to the real world. Willingness to sacrificing oneself for ones values is the ultimate preservation of the self - to abandon that is to lose yourself anyways.
I love the hoops you guys go through to make these thrown together movies profound yet will nit pick the new stuff for a lightsaber swing not connecting in the middle of a group fight scene for half a second IF you slow it down and zoom in.
Wow! All I can say is just WOW! Here at 50 years old you have completely changed my view of Vader from Empire to Jedi, in a good way! This totally improves upon the experience of Empire Strikes Back! Bravo on this video my friend, as it did not disappoint!
I have always thought that Luke stepping off the tower was the ultimate baller move. I love the way Luke looks down then looks up to make eye contact with Vader before letting go.
When Luke chooses to fall, to die, instead of joining Vader it hit Vader hard, not only because his son rejected him, which is understandable, but because it showed how strong Lukes will was to resist the dark side. I think Vader realizes in that moment that he did not have that same strength of will of Luke, that even though he is more powerful than Luke, Luke is the better man able to resist the temptation of the Dark Side even under pain of death. When Vader reaches out to Luke later and Luke is able to get away, Vader understands that it is very unlikely he will ever turn Luke and that his plan to overthrow the emperor will has been undone. Vader is so wrapped up in his thoughts on what to do and how to proceed he has no thought of killing anyone, his only concern is what to do next. I think its important to remember that throughout the first trilogy of Star Wars, Might and Power were often undone and overcome by simpler seemingly less powerful things, Obe sacrifices himself so Luke can get away and his power becomes even greater, small fighters destroy a Death Star, the force is used for the killing blow over a very advanced targeting computer, a smuggler stops Vader from killing Luke. In the next movie it's the same thing, a small green creature is the greatest Jedi Master alive, Han and Lea escape the Imperial Fleet acting as garbage, they run to a remote outpost run by Lando who betrays them and then in redemption saves them, most of them. Han at one point in the second movie says "don't tell me the odds" of surviving going through an asteroid belt. It's not about odds, it's not about power, its about will and perseverance overcoming every obstacle. This is why fans love Star Wars so much, and forgetting this and changing it in the later stories is why Star Wars has lost so much today.
So true. All plans changed from that moment on. Vader chose Luke over everything else. I also noticed that Ad Piet was still around, he didn't get killed. It seemed Vader did not have an interest in killing anyone from that time onward. He just wanted Luke.
@scottperry7311 According to Shadows of the Empire in Legends, Vader [ either authentically originally, or due to his maiming alike ] knew that Luke had the organic potential to become more powerful than Vader.
I wouldn't compare Anakin's failure to resist the dark side to Luke's successful resistance. Luke had a healthy upbringing, and while he was a rebel, he had no family (the realization of a sister came later). Rejecting the dark side was a simpler black/white psychological choice with only himself at stake. Anakin was raised a slave, treated like a slave, resented by much of the jedi, had the most powerful sith of all time whispering into his ear for years, and he had a premonition that Padme would die. This was a scarred soul clinging to anything to save the love of his life, being gaslit for years by a genius sith lord. He was in a vastly worse position to reject the dark side, and he had at stake a belief that Padme would die.
They did Luke dirt by adding the falling scream in the Special Edition. I always loved his conviction (in the original release) to silently fall to his death rather than betray his friends and values.
I saw these in the theatre. When Luke is being attacked with force lightning by the Emperor, you could feel the emotional turmoil Vader was going through as he watched. He kept looking at the Emperor and back to Luke. Watching, you just knew what was about to happen. I remember welling up with tears and saying, "what are you waiting for?!" You know it was coming and when it did, there was a moment of triumph and a few tears as Vader picked up the emperor and threw him into the void. David Prowse did a fine job conveying this from behind a mask. Your video shows just how this conflict in Vader began. Well done.
"Impressive. Most impressive." One of my favorite Darth Vader lines. I was not alive when the original trilogy came out, but I watched the movies a lot of times as a kid in the 90s. I was always able to see Vader's emotional reaction, both when Luke decided to fall and when the Falcon entered hyper-speed. Even without knowing Vader's backstory as Anakin, you can see how much those moments shook him. And ESB was able to depict it so well! How do you see emotions through a mask on a man who is mostly machine? This video explains does a great job explaining those moments for those who never understood it before!
That's why I thought adding Vader's lines "No, NO!" in the finale of the Return of the Jedi blu-ray was definitely not needed. The building of suspense cutting back and forth to him watching the Emperor killing his son, then suddenly lashing out and lifting him up to toss him into the pit was arguably the most emotional scene in the entire saga. I get the whole "it rhymes" concept, but it was absolutely perfect as it originally was. I was always amazed that so much emotion could be conveyed through a stoic mask. The magic of music and editing.
Luke has more Midiclorians than Darth Vader, who's got 1/4 as much, cause Obi-Wan cut off his right arm to the shoulder and legs burned away on Mustaphar, so could only drag away on left arm.
@@SardaukarNo1 I don't want to be rude, but this feels like head canon. As someone who doesn't like the concept of medichlorians I see them more as an indicator of potential than the actual power. Also: after Mustafar he only had his right robotic arm to drag himself out.
"I destroyed your family. Take your revenge!" That deleted dialogue might have been referring to Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. But that also distracts and undercuts the Big Reveal later. And Vader being broken at the thought of his son choosing death over him is something I never considered!
It probably was. People seem to forget that they were all the family he had until he was 18. Him losing Owen and Beru should have been an Uncle Ben/Thomas and Martha Wayne-level event for him but it feels like the franchise glossed over it.
Or the fact he destroyed Anakin, Padme and their entire possible future... Obi Wan did tell him Vader killed his father. "I killed your Aunt and Uncle" doesnt have the same emotional revenge impulse as "I choked out your pregnant mother after forcing your father to turn his saber red with the blood of children, btw im whats left of your father"
@@Gini3 His aunt and uncle were basically his adoptive parents who raised him for 18 years. He never met Anakin or Padme, Lucas likely hadn't even thought up the name "Padme" yet. I really wish you all could watch the original trilogy without framing it as just sequels to the preqeuls.
In some ways the sad/depressed/quiet Vader is even more scary than the raging, force-choking monster we see earlier in ESB. Like when the Falcon escaped, Piett was probably about to soil himself, but had no idea when, if or what Vader was going to do to punish him for the failure. The man looked absolutely terrified.
When I was a kid I just assumed Vader could sense that Piett was telling the truth about deactivating the hyperdrive and that was the reason he didn’t kill Piett.
@@tristanbrowning4042 i been watching star wars since i was a toddler and i never even noticed that vader doesnt get angry at the falcon jumping to hyperspace, he just walks away all slow, with almost no purpose unlike usual, where he marches to and from everywhere with lots of power. not everybody picks up on the little details
@@fknpanda7280 how do you not notice that? He’s the main focus of the scene at that point. It’s honestly tragic that people go this long without actually watching a movie, and when I say watching, I mean engaging with the movie, not just having it on your screen. Empire Strikes Back is a fantastic movie- it’s held in high regard for a reason, and when people reduce it to just spaceships and laser swords by refusing to engage with the movie and it’s characters it honestly breaks my heart, not to mention it’s just annoying af when people act like they discovered some hidden thing in a film when it’s shown as plain as day.
I think in the ESB novelization, Vader actually does momentarily try to stop Luke's fall but ends up letting him go anyway. That's what I recall, but it's been a very long time since I've read it.
There's a photo of Vader standing and looking upward right after Luke falls into the abyss. Some theorize that this scene where Vader tries to momentarily lift Luke with the force was actually filmed or considered at some point? Not confirmed as far as I know.
what I remember from the novelization (which I read in 82 I think) was that Vader did something with the wind to slow Luke's fall or steered him to the port instead. But it's been a very very very long time
@@NuclearDeathWalk Sorry, no, he didn't. He just stood there while Luke fell. The wind billowed his cloak behind him, which is probably what you remembered.
I have the novel right in front of me: '"Never," look shouted as he stepped out into the empty abyss beneath him. For all its unperceived depth, Luke might have been falling to another galaxy. Darth Vader moved to the end of the gantry to watch as Luke tumbled away. A strong wind began to blow, billowing Vader's black cloak out behind him as he stood looking over the edge. Skywalker's body quickly plunged downward. Toppling head over foot, the wounded Jedi desperately reached out to grab at something to stop his fall. The Dark Lord watched until he saw the youth's body sucked into a large exhaust pipe in the side of the reactor shaft. When Luke vanished, Vader quickly turned and hurried off the platform.' I think it's clear that the wind blowing didn't come from Vader, as it did nothing to slow Luke's fall.
I love that people are diving back into the original films. There is a special magic in a new hope and empire... the emotional energy and the symbolism has never quite been replicated since. I'm so glad to see it getting the respect those 2 films deserve. It's haunting and beautiful and I still get powerful reactions to seeing or thinking about this masterpiece of cinema and storytelling. I was 6 when the first star wars came out. I watched jedi in the theater right before I became a teen. The force was my puzzle to solve and I found myself deep in thoughts about the legitimate concept behind it. I cannot separate myself from how much star wars impacted my young life. There are a few other films in this golden era of movies that also has a different gravity than the movies typically made today. Neverending story, altered state, etc. There are some films that were way ahead of their time. Anyway... thank you for your insights. I enjoyed it very much. Especially about the killing blow dealt by Luke by choosing to fall (to his not quite so deadly death)... insights like this are what keeps it going and will do so for years and years to come
We're both the same age. My life didn't truly begin until SW was released. That's when the floodgates opened and my lifelong passion of playing music was born thanks to John Williams' astoundingly perfect soundtrack. I wore out the vinyl out from playing it so much... and then the disco version by Meco came out. I had already been listening to disco at the time so it was like lightning in a bottle, combining two things I dearly loved. I would go on to pick up a guitar at the age of 13 and 37 years later I'm about to finally become a full-time musician. SW literally shaped my destiny.
@@DiscoScottie that has to be one of my new favorite story illustrating the enduring inspiration and phenomenon of star wars on our generation. It's so much more than a movie or a story. It has its own life-force just as it's guiding philosophy and contextual belief system describes. Art becoming life. I want to say congratulations. I don't know you but I sincerely hope you find a certain deep satisfaction in realizing that dream. Yes the music is something else entirely. I recommend listening to the soundtrack for Krull if you get the chance. That soundtrack is similarly awe inspiring. I find myself returning to that one and of course the 1978 superman soundtrack which can still make me tear up especially if the Brando dialog is included where Jor El speaks from the far reaches of his own morality to guide his son who is alone on an alien world, orphaned and on the precipice of becoming the man who he is destined to become... I also really love the London philharmonic cover of pink Floyd's music. I myself played brass (specifically French horn and trumpet) in a orchestra and a quintet when I was a kid. We were competition quality and I believed that was going to be my calling until my father interfered in what he saw as a futile pursuit of leisure and I dulgance and he forced me to stop playing and enroll in a school without a music program. He only managed to stop my pursuit of a career in music and I ended up becoming a writer and a teacher which I truly feel was my destiny all along. But I say this to simply point out that hearing about your realization of a lifelong dream which has its roots in the enduring legacy of the modern mythology that star wars has become is a delight to hear about... I'm still trying to find the original theatre release of the original trilogy because the versions of episode 4 5 and 6 that is available today is put of sync with the original score and the emotional impact is off. It's distracting and it's like listening to an out of tune guitar drowning out the rest of the sound until it's just noise. Or when notes don't chord. I have my 9 year old who hasn't seen stsr wars yet because I won't watch it until we have the original release. I can't wait till I find it though because it will mean alot to me to pass this epic along to my child and hope it helps her as it has helped me... I'm very happy that you connebted.. thank you for sharing your story and I look forward to hearing more as you achieve more of your destiny. Be well. Keep the faith and may the force be with you...
@@SmokesKwazukii no I am sad to say that jedi foreshadowed how badly the rest of the movies would turn out. While jedi is more like the first two movies than any of the ones that proceeded it - it still was too removed from the original magic to exist in the same otherworldly state as those which came before it. I struggle because I love the nuts and bolts of the prequel series but it's suffers from truly terrible character choices (yipee) bad acting (Haden Christiansen was simply too young and immature and unable to carry the hefty responsibility of showing a true seduction to rhe dark side and wrestling with his identity vs his desires to pull it off... so its comical instead of phenomenal). Jar jar and all the other fluff that didn't belong in any way shape or form in that story - very distracting I think back to the poster of the little boy whose shadow looms into the spectre that is Vader and the tone and the quiet drama was so amazing in that one promo material but never realized on screen. Jedi apparently suffered greatly from rhe increased attention from outside influences that rhe first 2 were able to escape because no one thought it would be the hit it was. By the time jedi was being made George was fighting past 3 other very pushy creatives who had their own vision and suddenly felt that theirs should be followed above George's. It also suffered from being the condensed product of what should have been easily 2 movies worth of story line and wasn't properly streamlines. I was about 5 or 6 when jedi came out and it was bigger than any other event of my life. I remember feeling like something felt different but I didn't know why for some time afterward. The weird thing (and this is a very unpopular opinion) is that it mirrored Indiana jones for me. The first one was so profound and unlike anything ever. Then the second was the best celebration of those elements that I loved about the first. And I know everyone loves the 3rd movie but it fell flat for me. And so for a long time I just thought that is how trilogies were. The third movie was always just flat... Anyway - now I look to fanfilms for real star wars material. Nothing that is truly star wars will ever come out of disney and Lucasfilm under Disney control. However - the care and attention and the loving creation of star wars material that is true to the original design I see being made by fans now all the time. There are a few game storyline and cinematic which reveal that Lucasfilm is capable of making decent material but they decide to abort everything decent they do. Instead queer and diversity overrepresentation is all that they consider. They have ruined the only ip they had going for it (Manfalorian) which has lost its way and is now trash. They destroyed the legacy of one of the most perfect characters (Boba Fett) and all they had to do was keep him from talking or showing his face and it would have been amazing. But instead every time they get their hands on something they take it further away from the truly beautiful magic which started this phenomenon... Midichlorians. That's probably when my heart broke the most painfully... still aches Anyway - it's ok cause I still have those original theatre release versions of the first 2 movies and that is a huge gift.... Thanks for inspiring me to chat about this. I needed it. I've been pretty bummed out this week - frustrated - and mouring - but this was the first time this week that I've smiled. Thank you!
It adds value to the rest of the movie building up to that moment. Vader killing people who disappointed him throughout, and Luke struggling with anger while training on Dagobah. The themes and events throughout the movie are connected with this ultimate climax.
By far the best lightsaber battle in Star Wars. The sets and ambiance are INCREDIBLE. The emotional tension between these two, the dialogue, the choreography… it’s absolutely phenomenal. And the reveal at the very end is the icing on the cake
I agree though I think from a choreography point of view the duel of the Jedis with Darth Maul at the end of PM is better--simply because of the amazing skills of Ray Parks. But in terms of action infused with high drama, the duel between Luke and Vader is unmatched, maybe unmatched in all of cinematic duel history.
They should have kept some of the fight scenes mainly to show Luke's growing abilities I suppose and to show how desperate he is to beat Vader But he's still obviously on the losing end
@@Veganmilkdrinker Not sure how long hes been on dagobah but they say he's been there about 8 to 10 weeks so maybe a sliver of progress to get more hits on vader
@@cobeoe they say that. But I disagree. The main measure of time to go by in the movie Is others actions. The escape from hoth for the falcon , through the asteroid field , then limping to bespin and their time spent on bespin as landos guests. That doesn't all happen over the course of a few months I'd say a few weeks, AT BEST but in reality I think this whole movie happens over the course of less than a week
@@Veganmilkdrinker In the old canon. G canon (Lucas’) included the cutscenes as long as they didn’t directly conflict with what we saw in the movie. In one of those, Luke had trained with the lightsaber under Yoda’s supervision. I don’t know where the cutscenes stand with the new canon.
Thank you for making this video! I've never heard of the abdominal slashes! I agree 100% on Vader being stunned. The father's rejected "love", in a sense. I think some people may forget that the Jedi and Sith aren't gods and that they have the same vulnerabilities as the rest of us. I'd like to add, there is, what I think of as, Luke cutting off Vader's hand in ROTJ in order to "break the spell". Sort of a "possessed hand" motif. Thanks again. Loved the video
Great idea i heard that the whole hand thing was sort of a just one of many possible outcomes the hand represented the emperors vision of the future were he planed to turn luke in to the next vader bit by bit slowly turning him in to a more machine than man by manipulating events as he did to start the clone wars
I always figured it symbolized the fact that luke has surpassed vaders capabilities, and his actions in those next moments would define which path he followed. Vader cut off lukes hand and now that luke has the ability to bring them back to a level playing field, does he cruelly execute vader, or compassionately spare him? In other words, did he just become a sith or a jedi? As you know, he ceases his attack and declares himself a jedi, like his father. Then he throws the weapon away knowing that if the emperor kills him, the emperor fails. And if he spares him, he fails.
@@CultureWatcher5000 I saw taking Vader's hand as symbolic of Luke gaining revenge on Vader for the same thing... and also suddenly realizing the path he was on if he continued that line of thinking. It was a sobering moment that tamed his anger and brought him back from the brink.
Just like I said, he was ruthless when it comes to other Jedi been hunt and strike down, but learning Luke was his son, he's taking easy on him. Testing Luke potential if he can be powerful as the emperor foretold
Great video! You did, in fact, make it so I'll never see this conflict again in the same way. I'm an OG Star Wars fan - saw the original trilogy in theaters when they first came out - and I didn't think I could glean much more from these films, but here we are. These insights make these scenes so much richer and add more depth.
Whenever people say that the prequel fight scenes were better because they were "more cooler, bro" they're 100% missing the point of what makes a good fight scene. It isn't flashy choreography. It's the expression of the characters' personalities and motivations. That's why the OT had the best fight scenes, even if they were less elegant and fast-paced.
That's why imo the ROTJ duel between Luke and Vader is the best, so much emotion behind it along with easily the best music track of the entire franchise
I agree slightly with @ASAP.69 in the sense that the fights in the prequel were done that way on purpose; extreme choreography because all the Jedi, at the time, had standardized and advanced tiers of education. The thing about the prequels that actually bugs me is cold acting/directing/lines in supposedly emotional or romantic scenes, not the product of any one person but the result of sort of factory production, a premonition of what was to come in the film industry. As a young Star Wars fan in 1999, I was severely impressed by the work done on the prequels, but did notice the subtle and not so subtle differences of quality and marksmanship between the former and latter. I am more attached to the production of the OT than that of the prequels, so I do like those intimate fight scenes better. In a way, they work better in those films specifically because they absolutely need to tell more of a story. It's the finality of an unraveling of emotions due to a tapestry of previous events. Those lightsaber fights are similar to professional wrestling because the actors need to sell blows and bumps in a way that describes the unravelling of hard emotions.
Empire Strikes Back was such an excellent movie. So many L were taken, there was such a feeling of danger in this movie. So many quoteables. I say "impressive" to this day because of that scene with Vader
It's main weakness is it doesn't convey the passage of time all that well. Did Luke spend days, weeks or even months with Yoda? How long did it take the Falcon to reach Bespin considering her hyperdrive wasn't working?
@@enrique6335 that does't matter. It's not a science fiction, folks, it's a fairytale. THE WHOLE ALLURE of the Star Wars to the avarage viewer lays in simplicity and not throwing useless details at them.
There was one scene I wished they kept in ROTJ when Vader and Luke after Vader throws his saber to cut the catwalk when Luke falls he drops his lightsaber and Vader retrieves it in the scene if you pause when Vader is looking for him he is holding Luke’s saber not his when Luke reveals himself and he yells Darth he for pulls his saber from vaders grasp to attack him that shows how strong he really was and that caught Vader off guard that’s why Luke bested him
..Was Vader supposed to be holding Luke's lightsaber ignited, when he was stalking and tempting Luke underneath the platform? Like, did he have the wrong prop in his hand, and the special effects people just put in the red blade in the final film? Because it'd be cool to see him advancing with the green one, sort of as a bit more of a tease..showing a hypothetical future image of Luke turned to the Dark Side..
I believe you have hit the nail on the head. An excellent psychological assessment, based not only on strong reasoning, but the language spoken most eloquently and subtly by Vader throughout the series... body language. Well done.
You nailed this assessment. I've always thought the way you described it, Vader was broken the moment Luke seemingly sacrificed himself rather than join him. He had been secretly hoping Luke would choose him when the time came, so when he didn't, Vader was now completely focused on having Luke by his side as his son, not just a new apprentice.
It adds a bit of resonance from the Obi-Wan show, too. Vader probably sees Luke as a trophy of sorts, the ultimate victory of his feud with Kenobi, who after all spent the last efforts of his life in keeping Luke away from Vader's influence.
This was... well, insane! I had never perceived Vader's reaction that way! You've managed to give me (and many, many others I'm sure) a totally new perspective on Vader's actions and reactions in ROTJ! Thank you so much for this analysis my friend! I think I'm going to rewatch the saga and I'll definitely keep that perspective in mind! Amazing video, as always!
I think you nailed it here. Up until the point when Luke chose to fall (essentially choosing to commit suicide), Vader had no empathy for his son whatsoever. Vader saw him like he saw everyone else that had ever drew a lightsaber, as his competitor. This showed in his arrogant comments aimed at Luke. His loyalties and devotion were to the Emperor and had been for many years at this point. Darth Vader was aware of who Luke was and who he was to Luke, but he still hadn’t become quite “aware”.. that this was his boy, and he was his father. Vader had never grasped the concept of fatherhood, not until Luke did what he did. This wasn’t just due to the initial stunned feeling of being rejected by his son, but having to watch his son supposedly die. Luke chose to die rather than to go down the same path of Vader.. a path he couldn’t follow. (See what I did there). All of these emotions hitting Anakin at once.. is what caused Vader to lose further aggression towards his son and to become withdrawn into emotional conflict. From that point going forward, you could clearly witness the change due to the remaining “good” in Vader, prompted by this emotional conflict, a conflict that eventually broke him as a Sith.
I haven't read the book since the late 80's but I remember that Vader did indeed consider bringing luke back up after he jumped but he decided against it. He may even started to bring him back up but quickly stopped. It's been so long since I read it but there was a lot of neat nuggets in the books that you would never know from just watching the movies. For instance, when Luke turned himself in to Vader in RotJ, and was trying to convince Vader that there is good in him, Vader realized Luke was using Jedi mind trick on him and grinned under his mask.
This is the reason why I always enjoy your channel bro.... I always say to myself Vader isn't even trying to fight Luke who was a noob at the time and yet still Vader was an experience Jedi Knight and a skilled Sith Lord. He was being easy on his son.
Thank you! I’ve been trying to get an answer to the question “what was Vader‘s plan if he had frozen Luke in the Carbonite” for a long time. You gave a good answer. Do you think he would have let the emperor train Luke for a while and then reveal later his parentage in an attempt to lure Luke away?
At 2:18 Vader is saying the same line he does in the movie: "... Trained you well, you have controlled your fear, now release your anger!" With the added, "I've destroyed your family" bit.
If you ever find yourself in a battle with Darth Vader, there's only 3 things that can kill him. 1. Force lightning ⚡ 2. A sons love ❤️ 3. A bag of sand. If you have one of these then Vader won't stand a chance.
You could say the moment Luke chooses to fall to his (assumed) death, the first cracks in the dam of Vader begin to emerge and Anakin Skywalker is slowly becoming the dominant personality again.
I cried thru the entire 2nd half of episode 3 first time I saw it in a theater and occasionally even now I tear up during parts of episode 3 and the OT especially when Vader saves Luke at the end of Return of the Jedi!!!
@@StarWarsAnalyst Your point about Luke dealing the finishing blow to break Vader's hold over Anakin is 100%% accurate to the lore. In current canon, the entire premise of the Vader (2020) comics begins immediately after the events on Cloud City and Vader is moping around in self-pity for the first sequence; even more so after discovering Padme's last words on Polis Masa. When he finally returns to Coruscant, Palpatine can sense Vader's emotional conflict and decides to re-educate him in the ways of the Sith. He literally tears Vader apart and throws him back out on Mustafar to burn all over again.
The regret was always very clear, so was the dialogue which revealed Vader considering ruling the galaxy with his son - it being a lie or not. That's why it made sense for Luke to seek his father and the latters redemption at the end. It's a wonderful story arc and that's why everyone loved the trilogy so much. The Eighties were fun!
The whole Vader feeling defeated thing was very well fleshed out in the Vader comics. They really understood that for the storyline. Then palpatine had to restart Vader’s rage
I think I remember a comic where Vader fights Maul and Maul asks what he could possibly hate enough to give enough power for victory. And Vader says "Myself" and while he is standing back to back with Maul he stabs himself through the torso to imaple them both together.
Read the original Empire Strikes Back novel and comic book, all the deleted Empire Strikes Back lightsaber duel dialogue is there in the same order as the 4th and 6th draft scripts. Bottom line is that Luke could feel Vader cloud his thoughts and tempt him to fight using more anger. which is why the deleted footage does make sense. Like showed Anger, Fear, and Vader had to use two hands on his saber when Lukke used aggresion, then cut off Luke's hand
This is why I love this whole final battle , the storytelling in the actual choreography not just the dialogue, the aftermath with the only subordinate to survive failure...so good.
I'm sure you may know, but Alec Guinness was actually wanting to fight faster & more intense, but the lightsaber props were delicate. (If you've done a video on this, I may've missed it.) I like the footage of Sir Alec Guinness getting into it. :) In some of the wide shots I think they should've had swordsmen doing that scene, but they were under the gun as it is (without adding more actors), but the pacing really doesn't bother me otherwise. :)
The thing is, the Original duel is actually the only one that comes close to depicting an ACTUAL sword fight (excluding Obi-Wan's painfully slow spin). Rather than bashing at each other, Obi-Wan and Vader are making use of footwork, positioning, the bind, and winden to create or find an opening.
Far be it for me to argue with the writer of the story but I had always felt that Vader not killing Piet after Luke escapes was because that he was actually *HAPPY* that Luke got away! Luke was strong in the Force as well as showing strong character in choosing to die rather than turning to the dark side. Don't forget, in Luke and Vader's thought projections during the final chase, Luke acknowledges Vader as his father. (Something Luke wasn't prepared to do at the end of the duel) Luke's escape gave Vader time to play "the long game". There would be other opportunities and though the Emperor may consider this a "failure" Vader most certainly did not.
You have some really great videos. I appreciate you bringing all of these behind the scenes pieces out. As an OG fan from 1977 it’s really cool to see all the stuff. Do you know if there is any additional dialogue recorded between Vader and Luke right before he died? I always wondered if there was an expanded conversation. The one thing that disappointing me with the ending of return of the Jedi as we never got to see Luke tell Lea what happened to her father. I think that would’ve been another great emotional moment to end the movie with.
But another scene that I always wondered about in ROTJ when the emperor temps Luke to strike him down when Luke attempts to attack him and Vader blocks his attack I don’t think he was saving the emperor he was saving luke cuz Vader knew if he did strike the emperor down it would start him down the path of the darkside and Vader did not want his son to suffer the same fate as him does anyone else agree with me on this? 🤔
In legends, Vader stopped him because he could sense Luke wasn't prepared to deal with the emotional ramifications of killing a "defenseless" person in cold blood; and wanted to slowly push him into the dark side until those thoughts of regret would no longer manifest. In current canon, Vader stopped Luke from attacking because he knew if Palpatine was killed in anger, he would end up possessing Luke and then he would lose his son forever.
Y'all are overthinking it. Vader blocked Luke because that's what he was expected to do and he wasn't at the point of just letting the Emperor die like that.
Excellent analysis of why ESB duel continues to be the best duel, and may forever be. All the Yoda flips and even Duel of the Fates can't compete with the atmospheric and emotional weight that was carefully built up throughout the movie. The back and forth psychological warfare throughout the fight itself is also a masterclass in 'show don't tell' which is almost void from any new Star Wars material as of late. Really well done I'll be sure to check out more of your content.
But a majority of fans could only see, "The love dualogue is bad!" and "It's too different from the original!" In reality, the prequels were EXACTLY what George envisioned during the making of Empire.
@Jonathan Duchak - Nonsense. Episodes IV-VI are great, though not without their own significant flaws,. But Episodes I-III are just as terrible and disrespectful to the original trilogy as are Episodes VII-IX. They're garbage.
But they weren’t supposed to have gotten away. The falcon’s hyperdrive was supposed to be deactivated by Piett’s men. Piett himself told this to Vader not long before they escape
@@StarWarsAnalyst I thought it was that vader realized his son was still alive after believing he died during the fall, so he had hope and didn't bother killing Piett.
I think it was more a case of the admiral clearly did his job since the Millennium Falcon didn't jet all that quickly and allowed Vader to talk to Luke. It wasn't an error on the admiral's part like it was with Admiral Ozzel. Piett had proven capable during the course of the movie.
@@scottb3034 But that's the thing: Piett didn't fail; he had the hyperdrive deactivated as he said. How was he to know that someone (R2-D2) was told that the hyperdrive had been deactivated and was able to reactivate it? Even if Vader wasn't distracted by Luke I doubt that he would've punished Piett for something that wasn't his fault.
_Vader wasn't distraught about Luke falling I know that look..._ _...Vader had a bad case of the space hemorrhoids!_ _A LONG TIME AGO, IN A RESTROOM FAR, FAR AWAY_ *SIDIOUS:* _Yesss, I can feeel it, the hemorrhoids is swelll-ing in you..._ _Strike them down with each passing moment they become more powerful,_ _...Take your ointment use it!!! Gooood, they are no match for the power of your Dark Side !_
The one thing about Luke losing his hand and Vader's revelation of him being Luke's father is that they were the catalysts for Luke's Trial of the Flesh. The part of him losing his hand was the physical part of the trial. The part of Vader telling Luke he is his father was the emotional and psychological part of the trial. And Luke refusing to join Vader by falling in to Bespin's atmosphere was where he passed his Trial of the Flesh.
The line about Vader destroying Luke’s family isn’t a decoy line, bro. He’s talking about Owen & Beru, for whose deaths Vader is ultimately responsible. The burning corpses of his Aunt & Uncle in Episode IV would be a haunting image that would be ever present on his mind. I know that it was certainly an horrifically searing image for my young mind, watching it on VHS in the 80’s; and I had just met the bastards, much less having been raised by them.
Obi-wan killed, with help of the sand people, Owen and Beru. We can all see that the empires accuracy was only something Obi-wan made up, and see in episode 1 the accuracy of the sand people
A very interesting analysis. I'd say that while Vader won the physical battle by (literally) disarming his son, Luke won on the mental battlefield through refusing to join his father and the Dark Side.
Great video excellent job. I noticed Vader didn't kill Pieot at the end. I felt the reason he didn't kill anyone is because Vader knew he himself failed. The force was with Luke
You're saying things that I already realized a long time ago when I saw this scene a few times. It was as if Lucas wanted you to expect Vader to go on a kill crazy rampage, but he doesn't because he's shocked.
I thought it was common knowledge that Vader wasn't even trying but rather testing him and working on recruiting him. I always felt like he was messing with Luke and was never actually trying to kill him. Cool extra footage and analysis, though, as always.
Yeah, the one-handed technique Vader was using at the beginning pretty much showed that. Vader ambushing Luke after being kicked into the lower level showed that he was getting serious.
Man, your interpretation regarding Vader's emotional shock just enhanced the importance of the prequels regarding Anakin's character. I also think Vader had the same experience when trying to kill Obi Wan in ep. 3 of Kenobi - the inner conflict and the emotional pain was so powerful, it just froze him every time he was dealing with someone (once) close to him. Thumbs up!
FUCKING FINALLY! I've said this from the start! It wasn't just Luke who was smarting from the encounter on Bespin but Vader too! I always felt that Vader was baiting Luke to do something stupid and reach for the darkside so that he could determine just how powerful his son was, Luke choosing to let go and fall was a blow that Vader just wasn't prepared for. After the Falcon goes into hyperspace, Vader's walk always seems more pondering than agressive, a) his son is alive, b) even after everything he refers to Vader as 'Father', and c) with Luke alive and a tentative force bond brewing under the surface is Vader now really, REALLY considering that over throwing the Emperor is now a serious possibility? P.S How good is Admiral Piett?
"Why did he do that?" "Why didn't he do this? That makes no sense." People will often comments about scenes like this, not just in Star wars, but in other movies as well, without even trying to understand the context of the scene or character motivations. Nice video dude. May the Force be with you.
5:51 - the "Bring my shuttle!" line vs. "Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival.", it's interesting how Lucas approached improving his films in later editions.
Out of all the duels in the franchise, Obi-Wan vs. Vader in the original film is the closest to what a REAL sword fight actually looks like (excluding Sir Alec's painfully slow spin). Rather than meaninglessly smacking their blades together and lots of superfluous spinny movements, Obi-Wan and Vader are each working the bind and using simple footwork, positioning, and winding (while maintaining blade contact to feel his opponent's intent!) to try to open up a line of attack, while the cuts are short and the movements are small and tight. This shows that the person doing the fight choreography on the original film ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS SWORD PLAY. And since I believe it was the Great Bob Anderson who did the choreography, that makes sense.
There are a lot of sword fighting styles. I took a class that taught mostly the English style, which was based on quarterstaff fighting. It involves a lot of what was called "circular style" wherein you DO make loops with the sword to maintain momentum. A lot of the moves are basically double strikes... the initial strike targets the opponent's weapon in order to knock it out of the way, then, as your own blade circles, the next strike in the exact same spot goes in for the kill. I had a bit of fun using one of the moves on a "duelist" at our local Renaissance Fair, who would playfight whoever wanted to engage him. I landed a "killing" blow before he whacked me back. A lot of sword fighting techniques also depend on the kind of weapon being used, how heavy it is, how many hands they're using, etc.
@@Swiftbow Regardless of style, you'd never do the kind of twirling and spinning nonsense you see throughout the PT in a real fight. ESPECIALLY with how often they TURN THEIR BACKS to their opponent (Maul dies about 20 times over in Episode I without rigid choreography to save his life). English swordsmanship was not based on the quarterstaff. It in fact goes the other way around; staff builds on principles of half-swording taught with the longsword. English swordsmanship prior to the late Reniassance is very fragmentary, (and Silver spends more time complaining about Italians than he does actually TEACHING anything) but most of what's known IE the longsword is largely similar to German, although the English prefer to avoid blade contact altogether, while a German wants to bind you and stab you in the face. The few places you find big, sweeping, circle cuts in serious swordsmanship is primarily in swords like the Montante, however those techniques ARE NOT MEANT TO ACTUALLY STRIKE YOUR OPPONENT. They're used for area denial during bodyguarding work to keep attackers out of a space, and either hope they decide it's not worth it, or to hold them at bay long enough for the local town guard or other reinforcements to arrive to drive them off.
@@Ambaryerno I agree on the back turning. That is almost never a good idea. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to think of a single time where it would be warranted. As to the rest, I disagree... staff fighting predates swords and were also much more common amongst the populace because they were basically cost-free weapons. It depends what period you're looking at... you're referencing the Renaissance, I'm talking Medieval. Renaissance involves a lot of foils, rapires, and such. While Medieval mostly involved larger swords.
@@Swiftbow The Renaissaince began in early 14th century. What we today consider the longsword appeared near the end of that century, (the earliest known written manuscript on the longsword, Liechtenauer's Zettel, is MS.3227 tentatively dated to 1389, so the longswords appeared sometime before that) with its most popular period of use in tournament, dueling, personal defense, and the battlefield lasting well into the 17th. The big two-handed swords like the Montante and German zweihanders were also in widespread use during the same period. Thus the use of these larger swords extends WELL into the Renaissance and Early Modern Period. Don't mistake the longsword for its predecessor, the Great Swords of War, which began to appear in the 12th century. As a general rule of thumb, the true longswords are most often thrust-focused or cut-and-thrust swords, whereas the earlier great swords were almost exclusively focused on shearing blows, and generally had broader spatulate tips poorly suited to the thrust. The rapier was a weapon of personal defense and dueling, not a battlefield weapon. By the 17th Century you begin to see the appearance of the sidesword for use in a martial context, which was basically an evolution of the classic knightly arming sword incorporating a complex hilt much like a rapier. However, the blade itself was broader and more like that of the earlier arming sword, being a cut-and-thrust blade (whereas the rapier was primarily focused on the thrust). The foil appeared later in the 17th century as a training weapon. The closest weapon to the foil which would have actually been used in a duel is the small sword, which was used primarily in the 18th century.
I’m not trying to sound like a know-it-all but I always thought this was obvious. Luke defeated Vader by NOT fighting. It was the first big indication that Luke was strong with the light side of The Force and it left Vader stunned and disoriented. That said, I agree with your analysis and glad this opened up some minds. I was not aware that people didn’t get this the first time around.
@@wsplatinum I don't know your age but I suspect we are both old enough to remember seeing the original trilogy in the movie theater as they characters were first revealed. My first reaction was actually more like yours but then I looked in the comments and found that @starwarsanalyst really performed a public service here. For many of the people who posted comments on this video, this IS a revelation. So it leaves me thanking this RUclipsr for shedding light on younger generations of viewers. There are some things about STAR WARS that are impossible to recreate for new viewers. For example, the first time we are introduced to Yoda in Empire Strikes Back. This generation sees this little green guy and instantly declares "Oh that's Yoda." I remember thinking, as Luke, that he was some harmless swamp creature who plays with a flashlight and quarrels with R2-D2 and to discover that HE was the great Yoda and to come to respect him so much by the end of the film is an arc no contemporary viewer can truly appreciate. Yoda is so iconic and recognizable now, they are never going to feel that reveal like my peers and I did. Along similar lines, I remember seeing Darth Vader for the first time without even knowing his name or why everyone feared him so. The setup on that was truly groundbreaking. A lot of what put STAR WARS on the map are lost now just because so many of the concepts have become so integrated in our culture that it is no longer possible to experience them with the same cinematic gravitas. To borrow an old cliché, you just had to be there to really get. Anyway, cheers and thanks for your comment. May The Force be with you.
I’m so sick of people saying the fan edit at 0:11 is a better fight than the original. Its not. Its shitty looking lightsaber porn with no substance. George Lucas himself has said lightsaber fights aren’t about choreography or cool moves. They’re about the drama and thematic context of the fight.
It actually had a meaningful substance if you wanna go there, considering it changed the music to the duel on mustafar as a reference that Vader was inevitably going to come out alive and Obi wan Wasn't. Though, I understand what you mean by the poor understanding of the original fight. I can admit it was quite pointless. Impressive, yet still quite pointless in a comparison.
Just saw Nick’s interview with SWTheory. Its a shame how rude you’ve been in your dealings with Nick. Hoping others see that interview and this channel is seen for what it is…a cash grab on someone else’s content.
Nothing is stolen and I NEVER removed any water mark…. He is lying to SWT. ruclips.net/user/shorts2oOsLUwO0Hw?feature=share What I said to Nick was absolutely disrespectful, abhorrent, and outright vile. However, it’s important to establish that Nick is leaving out key elements of the story as to why those things were said at all. He’s also adding in some lies (such as that I removed his logo/watermark, which I never did). Nevertheless, there is no excuse for the things that I said to such a hero in the fanbase, but I simply got caught up in my own rage of the moment. Allow me to explain from the very beginning. My conversation with Nick first began on October 14 when I explained that I like to analyze scenes that were deleted from Star Wars. I asked him if he could share the extended Palpatine vs 4 Jedi footage. I spoke to him with nothing but adoration, praise, and respect. 2 weeks later on November 1st, he shared the very footage that I had asked for, and I sent him another message letting him know how much I appreciated him for doing that. We chatted back and forth a bit, but I didn’t hear back from him again until about a week later. On November 8th, rather than texting me like usual, he sent me an email cursing at me. Despite him cursing at me, I was very apologetic, respectful, and even said “If you want me to remove anything or make any changes, please just let me know...” He didn’t respond to me, so I decided to send him another text message where I told him “Hopefully you can see man to man, that this was just a misunderstanding. I fully apologize and want you to know that I’m genuinely sorry. If you’d like me to remove the content, please let me know…” He NEVER responded to this text message, and I did not hear from him again until 2 months later. I was more than willing to take down the videos, or make any adjustments, but then in January, I received 6 copyright takedown notifications from Nick. This was when I sent those nasty messages to him. Was I wrong? Of course I was. There’s no excuse for that amount of disrespect. I was just very upset and overwhelmed about my channel receiving so many copyright strikes when I had specifically told him that I would just remove anything that he wanted me to. I would like the opportunity to apologize to Nick myself, but naturally, I have since been blocked. Attached are some text messages and emails that show what really happened from the beginning…👇 ruclips.net/user/shorts2oOsLUwO0Hw?feature=share
Wow. So deep...and correct. I've never heard any of these explanations, or rundowns of the deleted scenes. You deserve way more than 142K subscribers. Very interesting.
These nuances you point out and the dynamic between Vader and Luke, revealed to Luke a glint of hope to turn his father back to the Light... This show of heart in Empire and the end of TROJ are what makes them my 2 favorite movies in the saga.
This make so much sense! I never saw it this way before. I always read Vader’s actions as curiosity. “How strange that this kid would choose to jump than embrace the power of the dark side”, followed by more curiosity when he gets away. As though there may be something more to learn from Luke and his gang to bolster his own power or something, or a facet of the force he hadn’t considered or come across before.
For me, the duel at Bespin is the greatest for all reasons. I love it. The only scene from The Force Awakens that made the hair stand up on the back of my neck was the Force flashback when Rey PALPATINE touched the Skywalker saber....and the vision takes us to....BESPIN for a second. Wow.
Good move by George on cutting the double torso swipes, that definitely would have made Vader look weak. You could always tell after Luke lands that shoulder blow Vader was done messing around.
Well done Lad 100%👍 , I grew up with the original trilogy as a kid. Everything you say is spot on. I hope you collect vintage Starwars? I started recollecting 27 years ago and ive a lot of vintage to pay for by the 4th. Keep making these videos as you've made an older man happy, as it always great to see the younger generation(s) reflecting and giving a great valid opinion about the films. 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
My fave lightsabre fight is from Star Wars, as it's based on the martial art Kendo, and I think it's the only tim we see any thought into going into using a weapon that isn't a just a sword, but acts like a torch in some regards. Empire's fight though is very close and sometimes I prefer that one.
Well done, young man. I've been watching this movie over and over since it came out in the theater in 1980, and that last point never occurred to me. That's seriously deep.
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I think this take is pretty faithful to Lucas' vision. Lucas remarked that a principle difference between Vader and Luke was that Vader dealt with things deliberately, whereas Luke was an intuitive being. The ESB duel is TRAGIC for both of them, but Luke recovers from it much better (emotionally and physically). By ROTJ, he is arguably more powerful than Vader, but more importantly he is more accepting of reality and better able to deal with it. Luke falters (the Leia revelation), but in the end he holds firm. Luke needed that physical and emotional resilience to show Vader that he had a way out. Everything Vader does to Luke, leads to Luke saving him.
SWA I am so very delighted to seeing those subscriber numbers goin up! Your persistence has lead to you sharing a great many things w/our Fandom, we otherwise wouldn't know of. We as a Fandom should be greatful for your efforts. So Thank You! I oftentimes share you videos on Star Wars Meg's, Vader's Lair, Star Wars Santa and on X-Wing's discord servers. X-Wing now 🤣....that guy is funny asf&in need of a boost!
Perhaps you may reach out to all or any of them to help boost eachother's subscriber numbers, cross promoting eachothers channels for an increase in Sub's? Because imo, we cannot have enough good SW content creator's on RUclips. Or perhaps a monthly round table to go over the SW highlights of the month, And honestly as for this video. I believe that Vader went easy on Luke because of the Father/Son relationship. At least until both hands grasped his lightsaber. Just an opinion&here's wishin you nothing but success, a Happy Holiday! May The Force Be With You...Always
I already had this insight earlier bro, but I won't dislike the video. It is good content 😂
Great video! I’ve always loved how Vader reacts, to Luke’s decision to fall, then after he loses them, walking back as you showed, with a shot of “guy who usually gets choked in these moments.” Yet he doesn’t.
It’s the small victory before getting back to the reality that Han was taken to Jabba, and Luke’s gotta see Yoda soon.
My only issue with the thought that Luke was ever going to win the duel is moot, as Vader could’ve used the force to choke Luke out if he wanted.
Or, at least hold him in place to deliver a death blow. Vader is more interested in convincing Luke, to crush the Emperor with him, which I think leads his emotions to leave him open for the hits Luke gets in.
The force ghost change at the end sux and shouldn't be canon for any SW fan.
I believe that as soon as Vader discovered his son, he began playing the long game, as he had a very real opportunity to destroy Sidious. You can almost see 20 years of depression subsiding.
It's not a belief, it's literally what happens in the movie.
You should read the Darth Vader comics. The first series takes place between A New Hope and Empire. The second series takes place between Empire and Jedi. Sideous knows that Vader was plotting to betray him by recruiting his son. He found it amusing believed that Vader’s attachment to his son made him weak.
@@amead78 when it was Vader's attachment to his son that was pulling him to perform his destiny.
That's the plot
Vader even articulated this to star killer in SWTFU (Sort of). I LOVE that moment 👊😎
I love that point about Vader not choking anyone after Luke's escape in Episode 5, I never really noticed the significance of that, how defeated Vader must feel knowing his son would rather die than join him.
I feel like that’s a seed of the light side that Luke planted in his fathers mind so that it would be easier to redeem him later on
I noticed it long ago. The follow up is in Return of the Jedi when he tells Moff Jerjerrod that the Emperor is not as forgiving as he is. This reinforces the theme that Vader has begun to change.
I only recently noticed and re-watched that scene about 10 times. Just watching him put his hands behind his back, then curiously plod off giving a quick glance at the officers was interesting to watch.
@@nathaniel04 exactly. This.
Luke's goodness and light side were starting to influence Vader from that point on.
Vader: "Imma toy with him a bit, see how strong he is"
Gets his in the shoulder
Vader: "Listen here, you little sh*t!"
This was a common teaching technique he used with the inquisitors. Teach them loss......... Then he son makes him truly lose. Luke is the best written hero ever.
Huh, this is a new feeling: pride in someone else. Unfortunately, it's overshadowed by all this unyielding rage!
this made me laugh
TFS is so easy to quote lmao
@@t-greenrock404 Especially when its apropos
When Vader says "I destroyed your family," he actually did: he's responsible for Padme's death. It's because of Vader that they're no longer a family. So in essence what he said was true, from a certain point of view...
In a certain point of view, Yes Obi-Wan
Or he means being responsible for the deaths of Owen and Beru.
In fact all the alternatives are true . « Obi wan killed your father . » is true from a certain point of view .
No the better saying is what I told you was true from a CERTAIN RETCON POINT OF VIEW there you go better
Or so he thinks he's responsible for Padme's death. I'm still convinced Sidious drained the life from her and gave it to Vader which is why when he takes his first breath in the mask, she takes her last.
I love the subtle detail of the officer at 6:39 pretending to casually note something down, only to glance back at Vader as he passes him. They all noticed he wasn't 100% at that moment.
They were probably scared out of their minds.
It's like when people pretend to be typing on their keyboards when the boss walks by...
I've never noticed that! The one guy pretending to be busy. Be funny if Vader slammed him into the wall as he got a few steps away, like nope, this guy gets my wrath instead. Thought he was too wiley for me.
This is totally spot on. When Lucas got with Brackett he told her, "When we kill him off in the next one, we’ll reveal what he really is. He wants to be human-he’s still fighting in his own way the dark side of the Force. He doesn’t want to be a bad man, but he is." And so Vader’s redemption is tied in to his willingness to self-sacrifice.
This is reflected in Brackett's draft, when Luke tells Vader, "I would prefer to die," rather than join him. In Kasdan's draft he says, "I'll die first." Luke doesn't say anything of the sort in the final film but we are shown it to be the case. Luke will self-sacrifice rather than turn to the dark side.
In ROTJ when Luke throws his sword away he knowingly becomes defenseless against whatever the Emperor wants to throw at him. Twice now, Vader sees that the way out of the dark side is to be willing to die for it and that’s what he does in order to get out.
Damn bro. It took me 40 years to get that. Tremendous
This is a really profound insight. Thank you for sharing
Brilliant. These light/dark metaphors translate well to the real world. Willingness to sacrificing oneself for ones values is the ultimate preservation of the self - to abandon that is to lose yourself anyways.
I love the hoops you guys go through to make these thrown together movies profound yet will nit pick the new stuff for a lightsaber swing not connecting in the middle of a group fight scene for half a second IF you slow it down and zoom in.
@@TheSCPStudio there's no hoops. It's all laid out clearly in the films. There is nothing groundbreaking here.
Wow! All I can say is just WOW! Here at 50 years old you have completely changed my view of Vader from Empire to Jedi, in a good way! This totally improves upon the experience of Empire Strikes Back! Bravo on this video my friend, as it did not disappoint!
😎 glad you enjoyed
Remember. Empire strike back. Was supposed to be 3 hours long.
@@topdog5252 thank you 😊
Remember, this was supposed to be a 3 hour movie. All you seeing is the scenes that should have been left in.
Totally agree with you on this
I have always thought that Luke stepping off the tower was the ultimate baller move. I love the way Luke looks down then looks up to make eye contact with Vader before letting go.
Nice comment
I'D RATHER DIE THAN WORK WITH YOU .....DAD!!! ....lol I think George Lucas maybe has daddy issues???
Ultimate G shit. “I’d rather kill myself than join your ass.”
I love the expression Luke gives him as he lets go...somewhere between deer-in-headlights/complete peace and...you'll NEVER have me join you!
When Obi-Wan whispered, _"Let go, Luke",_ Luke took that literally
When Luke chooses to fall, to die, instead of joining Vader it hit Vader hard, not only because his son rejected him, which is understandable, but because it showed how strong Lukes will was to resist the dark side. I think Vader realizes in that moment that he did not have that same strength of will of Luke, that even though he is more powerful than Luke, Luke is the better man able to resist the temptation of the Dark Side even under pain of death. When Vader reaches out to Luke later and Luke is able to get away, Vader understands that it is very unlikely he will ever turn Luke and that his plan to overthrow the emperor will has been undone. Vader is so wrapped up in his thoughts on what to do and how to proceed he has no thought of killing anyone, his only concern is what to do next. I think its important to remember that throughout the first trilogy of Star Wars, Might and Power were often undone and overcome by simpler seemingly less powerful things, Obe sacrifices himself so Luke can get away and his power becomes even greater, small fighters destroy a Death Star, the force is used for the killing blow over a very advanced targeting computer, a smuggler stops Vader from killing Luke. In the next movie it's the same thing, a small green creature is the greatest Jedi Master alive, Han and Lea escape the Imperial Fleet acting as garbage, they run to a remote outpost run by Lando who betrays them and then in redemption saves them, most of them. Han at one point in the second movie says "don't tell me the odds" of surviving going through an asteroid belt. It's not about odds, it's not about power, its about will and perseverance overcoming every obstacle. This is why fans love Star Wars so much, and forgetting this and changing it in the later stories is why Star Wars has lost so much today.
And then, in Episode VI, Vader stumbles on a way (probably the only way) to turn Luke and ends up getting his butt kicked…
So true. All plans changed from that moment on. Vader chose Luke over everything else. I also noticed that Ad Piet was still around, he didn't get killed. It seemed Vader did not have an interest in killing anyone from that time onward. He just wanted Luke.
@scottperry7311 According to Shadows of the Empire in Legends, Vader [ either authentically originally, or due to his maiming alike ] knew that Luke had the organic potential to become more powerful than Vader.
I wouldn't compare Anakin's failure to resist the dark side to Luke's successful resistance.
Luke had a healthy upbringing, and while he was a rebel, he had no family (the realization of a sister came later). Rejecting the dark side was a simpler black/white psychological choice with only himself at stake.
Anakin was raised a slave, treated like a slave, resented by much of the jedi, had the most powerful sith of all time whispering into his ear for years, and he had a premonition that Padme would die. This was a scarred soul clinging to anything to save the love of his life, being gaslit for years by a genius sith lord. He was in a vastly worse position to reject the dark side, and he had at stake a belief that Padme would die.
They did Luke dirt by adding the falling scream in the Special Edition. I always loved his conviction (in the original release) to silently fall to his death rather than betray his friends and values.
I saw these in the theatre. When Luke is being attacked with force lightning by the Emperor, you could feel the emotional turmoil Vader was going through as he watched. He kept looking at the Emperor and back to Luke. Watching, you just knew what was about to happen. I remember welling up with tears and saying, "what are you waiting for?!" You know it was coming and when it did, there was a moment of triumph and a few tears as Vader picked up the emperor and threw him into the void. David Prowse did a fine job conveying this from behind a mask. Your video shows just how this conflict in Vader began. Well done.
"Impressive. Most impressive." One of my favorite Darth Vader lines.
I was not alive when the original trilogy came out, but I watched the movies a lot of times as a kid in the 90s. I was always able to see Vader's emotional reaction, both when Luke decided to fall and when the Falcon entered hyper-speed. Even without knowing Vader's backstory as Anakin, you can see how much those moments shook him. And ESB was able to depict it so well! How do you see emotions through a mask on a man who is mostly machine?
This video explains does a great job explaining those moments for those who never understood it before!
Just imagine how much more. There could have been. If George Lucas didn't listen to his people and left the film intact. Of 3 hours and 5 minutes
I use that line weekly at work! 😂😂
You know an actor is incredible if they can convey emotion while wearing a static mask. The actor for Mando is a recent example.
That's why I thought adding Vader's lines "No, NO!" in the finale of the Return of the Jedi blu-ray was definitely not needed. The building of suspense cutting back and forth to him watching the Emperor killing his son, then suddenly lashing out and lifting him up to toss him into the pit was arguably the most emotional scene in the entire saga. I get the whole "it rhymes" concept, but it was absolutely perfect as it originally was. I was always amazed that so much emotion could be conveyed through a stoic mask. The magic of music and editing.
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I always loved how Luke landed that strike on Vader while not really trying and rather wanting to get away from his range.
It's almost more like desperate flailing than a calculated strike, which is believable.
I laughed how Vader was so pissed or hurt, he just says "AGGHHHH, AFUFUFGUAHHHAAA!!!"
Luke started fighting better near the end but still unwisely used just one hand in his last strike causing him to lose his hand.
Luke has more Midiclorians than Darth Vader, who's got 1/4 as much, cause Obi-Wan cut off his right arm to the shoulder and legs burned away on Mustaphar, so could only drag away on left arm.
@@SardaukarNo1 I don't want to be rude, but this feels like head canon. As someone who doesn't like the concept of medichlorians I see them more as an indicator of potential than the actual power.
Also: after Mustafar he only had his right robotic arm to drag himself out.
"I destroyed your family. Take your revenge!"
That deleted dialogue might have been referring to Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. But that also distracts and undercuts the Big Reveal later.
And Vader being broken at the thought of his son choosing death over him is something I never considered!
It probably was. People seem to forget that they were all the family he had until he was 18. Him losing Owen and Beru should have been an Uncle Ben/Thomas and Martha Wayne-level event for him but it feels like the franchise glossed over it.
Or the fact he destroyed Anakin, Padme and their entire possible future... Obi Wan did tell him Vader killed his father. "I killed your Aunt and Uncle" doesnt have the same emotional revenge impulse as "I choked out your pregnant mother after forcing your father to turn his saber red with the blood of children, btw im whats left of your father"
@@Gini3 His aunt and uncle were basically his adoptive parents who raised him for 18 years. He never met Anakin or Padme, Lucas likely hadn't even thought up the name "Padme" yet. I really wish you all could watch the original trilogy without framing it as just sequels to the preqeuls.
There's an entire story in this fight; it's why good choreography and editing is so important.
And that's before you account for the Emperor's influence over Vader and Luke.
In some ways the sad/depressed/quiet Vader is even more scary than the raging, force-choking monster we see earlier in ESB. Like when the Falcon escaped, Piett was probably about to soil himself, but had no idea when, if or what Vader was going to do to punish him for the failure. The man looked absolutely terrified.
When I was a kid I just assumed Vader could sense that Piett was telling the truth about deactivating the hyperdrive and that was the reason he didn’t kill Piett.
You definitely gave me a new perspective on my favorite lightsaber duel! Great job!
Glad you enjoyed 😎
That's literally what the movie shows you.
Everything said in the video is literally apparent by just watching the movie and paying attention.
@@tristanbrowning4042 i been watching star wars since i was a toddler and i never even noticed that vader doesnt get angry at the falcon jumping to hyperspace, he just walks away all slow, with almost no purpose unlike usual, where he marches to and from everywhere with lots of power. not everybody picks up on the little details
@@fknpanda7280 how do you not notice that? He’s the main focus of the scene at that point. It’s honestly tragic that people go this long without actually watching a movie, and when I say watching, I mean engaging with the movie, not just having it on your screen. Empire Strikes Back is a fantastic movie- it’s held in high regard for a reason, and when people reduce it to just spaceships and laser swords by refusing to engage with the movie and it’s characters it honestly breaks my heart, not to mention it’s just annoying af when people act like they discovered some hidden thing in a film when it’s shown as plain as day.
I think in the ESB novelization, Vader actually does momentarily try to stop Luke's fall but ends up letting him go anyway. That's what I recall, but it's been a very long time since I've read it.
There's a photo of Vader standing and looking upward right after Luke falls into the abyss. Some theorize that this scene where Vader tries to momentarily lift Luke with the force was actually filmed or considered at some point? Not confirmed as far as I know.
what I remember from the novelization (which I read in 82 I think) was that Vader did something with the wind to slow Luke's fall or steered him to the port instead. But it's been a very very very long time
In the novel for the TESB Vader does catch Luke using the force, then let's him go.
@@NuclearDeathWalk Sorry, no, he didn't. He just stood there while Luke fell. The wind billowed his cloak behind him, which is probably what you remembered.
I have the novel right in front of me:
'"Never," look shouted as he stepped out into the empty abyss beneath him. For all its unperceived depth, Luke might have been falling to another galaxy.
Darth Vader moved to the end of the gantry to watch as Luke tumbled away. A strong wind began to blow, billowing Vader's black cloak out behind him as he stood looking over the edge.
Skywalker's body quickly plunged downward. Toppling head over foot, the wounded Jedi desperately reached out to grab at something to stop his fall.
The Dark Lord watched until he saw the youth's body sucked into a large exhaust pipe in the side of the reactor shaft. When Luke vanished, Vader quickly turned and hurried off the platform.'
I think it's clear that the wind blowing didn't come from Vader, as it did nothing to slow Luke's fall.
I love that people are diving back into the original films. There is a special magic in a new hope and empire... the emotional energy and the symbolism has never quite been replicated since. I'm so glad to see it getting the respect those 2 films deserve. It's haunting and beautiful and I still get powerful reactions to seeing or thinking about this masterpiece of cinema and storytelling.
I was 6 when the first star wars came out. I watched jedi in the theater right before I became a teen. The force was my puzzle to solve and I found myself deep in thoughts about the legitimate concept behind it.
I cannot separate myself from how much star wars impacted my young life.
There are a few other films in this golden era of movies that also has a different gravity than the movies typically made today. Neverending story, altered state, etc. There are some films that were way ahead of their time.
Anyway... thank you for your insights. I enjoyed it very much.
Especially about the killing blow dealt by Luke by choosing to fall (to his not quite so deadly death)... insights like this are what keeps it going and will do so for years and years to come
We're both the same age. My life didn't truly begin until SW was released. That's when the floodgates opened and my lifelong passion of playing music was born thanks to John Williams' astoundingly perfect soundtrack. I wore out the vinyl out from playing it so much... and then the disco version by Meco came out. I had already been listening to disco at the time so it was like lightning in a bottle, combining two things I dearly loved. I would go on to pick up a guitar at the age of 13 and 37 years later I'm about to finally become a full-time musician. SW literally shaped my destiny.
@@DiscoScottie that has to be one of my new favorite story illustrating the enduring inspiration and phenomenon of star wars on our generation. It's so much more than a movie or a story. It has its own life-force just as it's guiding philosophy and contextual belief system describes. Art becoming life.
I want to say congratulations. I don't know you but I sincerely hope you find a certain deep satisfaction in realizing that dream.
Yes the music is something else entirely.
I recommend listening to the soundtrack for Krull if you get the chance. That soundtrack is similarly awe inspiring. I find myself returning to that one and of course the 1978 superman soundtrack which can still make me tear up especially if the Brando dialog is included where Jor El speaks from the far reaches of his own morality to guide his son who is alone on an alien world, orphaned and on the precipice of becoming the man who he is destined to become...
I also really love the London philharmonic cover of pink Floyd's music.
I myself played brass (specifically French horn and trumpet) in a orchestra and a quintet when I was a kid. We were competition quality and I believed that was going to be my calling until my father interfered in what he saw as a futile pursuit of leisure and I dulgance and he forced me to stop playing and enroll in a school without a music program. He only managed to stop my pursuit of a career in music and I ended up becoming a writer and a teacher which I truly feel was my destiny all along. But I say this to simply point out that hearing about your realization of a lifelong dream which has its roots in the enduring legacy of the modern mythology that star wars has become is a delight to hear about...
I'm still trying to find the original theatre release of the original trilogy because the versions of episode 4 5 and 6 that is available today is put of sync with the original score and the emotional impact is off. It's distracting and it's like listening to an out of tune guitar drowning out the rest of the sound until it's just noise. Or when notes don't chord.
I have my 9 year old who hasn't seen stsr wars yet because I won't watch it until we have the original release. I can't wait till I find it though because it will mean alot to me to pass this epic along to my child and hope it helps her as it has helped me...
I'm very happy that you connebted.. thank you for sharing your story and I look forward to hearing more as you achieve more of your destiny.
Be well. Keep the faith and may the force be with you...
im glad u dont include return of the jedi alongside those two. things really took a weird turn with that movie imo
@@SmokesKwazukii no I am sad to say that jedi foreshadowed how badly the rest of the movies would turn out. While jedi is more like the first two movies than any of the ones that proceeded it - it still was too removed from the original magic to exist in the same otherworldly state as those which came before it.
I struggle because I love the nuts and bolts of the prequel series but it's suffers from truly terrible character choices (yipee) bad acting (Haden Christiansen was simply too young and immature and unable to carry the hefty responsibility of showing a true seduction to rhe dark side and wrestling with his identity vs his desires to pull it off... so its comical instead of phenomenal).
Jar jar and all the other fluff that didn't belong in any way shape or form in that story - very distracting
I think back to the poster of the little boy whose shadow looms into the spectre that is Vader and the tone and the quiet drama was so amazing in that one promo material but never realized on screen.
Jedi apparently suffered greatly from rhe increased attention from outside influences that rhe first 2 were able to escape because no one thought it would be the hit it was. By the time jedi was being made George was fighting past 3 other very pushy creatives who had their own vision and suddenly felt that theirs should be followed above George's. It also suffered from being the condensed product of what should have been easily 2 movies worth of story line and wasn't properly streamlines.
I was about 5 or 6 when jedi came out and it was bigger than any other event of my life. I remember feeling like something felt different but I didn't know why for some time afterward.
The weird thing (and this is a very unpopular opinion) is that it mirrored Indiana jones for me. The first one was so profound and unlike anything ever. Then the second was the best celebration of those elements that I loved about the first. And I know everyone loves the 3rd movie but it fell flat for me. And so for a long time I just thought that is how trilogies were. The third movie was always just flat...
Anyway - now I look to fanfilms for real star wars material. Nothing that is truly star wars will ever come out of disney and Lucasfilm under Disney control. However - the care and attention and the loving creation of star wars material that is true to the original design I see being made by fans now all the time. There are a few game storyline and cinematic which reveal that Lucasfilm is capable of making decent material but they decide to abort everything decent they do.
Instead queer and diversity overrepresentation is all that they consider. They have ruined the only ip they had going for it (Manfalorian) which has lost its way and is now trash. They destroyed the legacy of one of the most perfect characters (Boba Fett) and all they had to do was keep him from talking or showing his face and it would have been amazing. But instead every time they get their hands on something they take it further away from the truly beautiful magic which started this phenomenon...
Midichlorians. That's probably when my heart broke the most painfully... still aches
Anyway - it's ok cause I still have those original theatre release versions of the first 2 movies and that is a huge gift....
Thanks for inspiring me to chat about this. I needed it. I've been pretty bummed out this week - frustrated - and mouring - but this was the first time this week that I've smiled. Thank you!
They would actually even be greater if all missing scenes were restored. New hope 30 minutes, empire strike back 48 minutes.
It adds value to the rest of the movie building up to that moment. Vader killing people who disappointed him throughout, and Luke struggling with anger while training on Dagobah. The themes and events throughout the movie are connected with this ultimate climax.
By far the best lightsaber battle in Star Wars. The sets and ambiance are INCREDIBLE. The emotional tension between these two, the dialogue, the choreography… it’s absolutely phenomenal. And the reveal at the very end is the icing on the cake
I also like that Lucas doesn't use music in most of the light saber duels in the original trilogy.
I agree though I think from a choreography point of view the duel of the Jedis with Darth Maul at the end of PM is better--simply because of the amazing skills of Ray Parks. But in terms of action infused with high drama, the duel between Luke and Vader is unmatched, maybe unmatched in all of cinematic duel history.
Yes, to bad they cut 10 minutes off of this light saber duel.
@@TheVic18t Because it wasn't Lucas who directed episode 5 😅😂
@@valou-scaling He did Episode 4 which set the tone.
They should have kept some of the fight scenes mainly to show Luke's growing abilities I suppose and to show how desperate he is to beat Vader But he's still obviously on the losing end
The hero’s got to fail the first time around.
What growing power? At this point he's never even drilled sequences with a lightsaber
@@Veganmilkdrinker Not sure how long hes been on dagobah but they say he's been there about 8 to 10 weeks so maybe a sliver of progress to get more hits on vader
@@cobeoe they say that. But I disagree. The main measure of time to go by in the movie Is others actions. The escape from hoth for the falcon , through the asteroid field , then limping to bespin and their time spent on bespin as landos guests. That doesn't all happen over the course of a few months
I'd say a few weeks, AT BEST but in reality I think this whole movie happens over the course of less than a week
@@Veganmilkdrinker In the old canon. G canon (Lucas’) included the cutscenes as long as they didn’t directly conflict with what we saw in the movie. In one of those, Luke had trained with the lightsaber under Yoda’s supervision.
I don’t know where the cutscenes stand with the new canon.
Thank you for making this video!
I've never heard of the abdominal slashes!
I agree 100% on Vader being stunned.
The father's rejected "love", in a sense.
I think some people may forget that the Jedi and Sith aren't gods and that they have the same vulnerabilities as the rest of us.
I'd like to add, there is, what I think of as, Luke cutting off Vader's hand in ROTJ in order to "break the spell".
Sort of a "possessed hand" motif.
Thanks again. Loved the video
Great idea i heard that the whole hand thing was sort of a just one of many possible outcomes the hand represented the emperors vision of the future were he planed to turn luke in to the next vader bit by bit slowly turning him in to a more machine than man by manipulating events as he did to start the clone wars
But i do love the possessed hand idea
I always figured it symbolized the fact that luke has surpassed vaders capabilities, and his actions in those next moments would define which path he followed. Vader cut off lukes hand and now that luke has the ability to bring them back to a level playing field, does he cruelly execute vader, or compassionately spare him? In other words, did he just become a sith or a jedi? As you know, he ceases his attack and declares himself a jedi, like his father. Then he throws the weapon away knowing that if the emperor kills him, the emperor fails. And if he spares him, he fails.
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Yes, partially, but I was looking at it in a mythical or symbolic standpoint.
Hand only.
I was being pithy.
@@CultureWatcher5000 I saw taking Vader's hand as symbolic of Luke gaining revenge on Vader for the same thing... and also suddenly realizing the path he was on if he continued that line of thinking. It was a sobering moment that tamed his anger and brought him back from the brink.
Just like I said, he was ruthless when it comes to other Jedi been hunt and strike down, but learning Luke was his son, he's taking easy on him.
Testing Luke potential if he can be powerful as the emperor foretold
Great breakdown of this fight. Vader played with Luke at first but then got serious, when Luke showed potential. I love this fight.
Great video! You did, in fact, make it so I'll never see this conflict again in the same way. I'm an OG Star Wars fan - saw the original trilogy in theaters when they first came out - and I didn't think I could glean much more from these films, but here we are. These insights make these scenes so much richer and add more depth.
Same here- what's been seen cannot be unseen. I'm going to watch this movie again tonight with my family.
Whenever people say that the prequel fight scenes were better because they were "more cooler, bro" they're 100% missing the point of what makes a good fight scene. It isn't flashy choreography. It's the expression of the characters' personalities and motivations. That's why the OT had the best fight scenes, even if they were less elegant and fast-paced.
That's why imo the ROTJ duel between Luke and Vader is the best, so much emotion behind it along with easily the best music track of the entire franchise
@@EliWintercross I wish I had been alive when the OT came out
I agree slightly with @ASAP.69 in the sense that the fights in the prequel were done that way on purpose; extreme choreography because all the Jedi, at the time, had standardized and advanced tiers of education. The thing about the prequels that actually bugs me is cold acting/directing/lines in supposedly emotional or romantic scenes, not the product of any one person but the result of sort of factory production, a premonition of what was to come in the film industry. As a young Star Wars fan in 1999, I was severely impressed by the work done on the prequels, but did notice the subtle and not so subtle differences of quality and marksmanship between the former and latter. I am more attached to the production of the OT than that of the prequels, so I do like those intimate fight scenes better. In a way, they work better in those films specifically because they absolutely need to tell more of a story. It's the finality of an unraveling of emotions due to a tapestry of previous events. Those lightsaber fights are similar to professional wrestling because the actors need to sell blows and bumps in a way that describes the unravelling of hard emotions.
Omg this was beautiful. Vaders heart being changed ultimately cause of Luke is enough to bring a tear to my eye
Part of Luke stepping off the platform was him accepting and trusting in the Force. It's why he is so calm.
Vader: “Come with me. It is the only way.”
Luke: “I’ll take option B…”
Empire Strikes Back was such an excellent movie. So many L were taken, there was such a feeling of danger in this movie. So many quoteables. I say "impressive" to this day because of that scene with Vader
It's main weakness is it doesn't convey the passage of time all that well. Did Luke spend days, weeks or even months with Yoda? How long did it take the Falcon to reach Bespin considering her hyperdrive wasn't working?
@@enrique6335 i never thought of that. How long was he with Yoda? he had to complete his training, how much longer?
@@enrique6335 that does't matter. It's not a science fiction, folks, it's a fairytale. THE WHOLE ALLURE of the Star Wars to the avarage viewer lays in simplicity and not throwing useless details at them.
There was one scene I wished they kept in ROTJ when Vader and Luke after Vader throws his saber to cut the catwalk when Luke falls he drops his lightsaber and Vader retrieves it in the scene if you pause when Vader is looking for him he is holding Luke’s saber not his when Luke reveals himself and he yells Darth he for pulls his saber from vaders grasp to attack him that shows how strong he really was and that caught Vader off guard that’s why Luke bested him
In the original, I wonder if it was fixed in the updated versions? Wow it’s still there. I never knew that!
@@ricofico It is in the novel.
..Was Vader supposed to be holding Luke's lightsaber ignited, when he was stalking and tempting Luke underneath the platform? Like, did he have the wrong prop in his hand, and the special effects people just put in the red blade in the final film? Because it'd be cool to see him advancing with the green one, sort of as a bit more of a tease..showing a hypothetical future image of Luke turned to the Dark Side..
2:23 “I’ve taught you well. You’ve contained your Fear. Now, release your Anger” 🤣😁😎
imagine if this was the final sound mix 🥲
Kenobi’s taught you well
GOOD MAN!
3:11 wait- technically he- he di…
*KENOBAAAYYY!!!*
I believe you have hit the nail on the head. An excellent psychological assessment, based not only on strong reasoning, but the language spoken most eloquently and subtly by Vader throughout the series... body language.
Well done.
You nailed this assessment. I've always thought the way you described it, Vader was broken the moment Luke seemingly sacrificed himself rather than join him. He had been secretly hoping Luke would choose him when the time came, so when he didn't, Vader was now completely focused on having Luke by his side as his son, not just a new apprentice.
It adds a bit of resonance from the Obi-Wan show, too. Vader probably sees Luke as a trophy of sorts, the ultimate victory of his feud with Kenobi, who after all spent the last efforts of his life in keeping Luke away from Vader's influence.
This was... well, insane! I had never perceived Vader's reaction that way! You've managed to give me (and many, many others I'm sure) a totally new perspective on Vader's actions and reactions in ROTJ! Thank you so much for this analysis my friend! I think I'm going to rewatch the saga and I'll definitely keep that perspective in mind! Amazing video, as always!
Glad you enjoyed 😎
I think you nailed it here. Up until the point when Luke chose to fall (essentially choosing to commit suicide), Vader had no empathy for his son whatsoever. Vader saw him like he saw everyone else that had ever drew a lightsaber, as his competitor. This showed in his arrogant comments aimed at Luke. His loyalties and devotion were to the Emperor and had been for many years at this point. Darth Vader was aware of who Luke was and who he was to Luke, but he still hadn’t become quite “aware”.. that this was his boy, and he was his father. Vader had never grasped the concept of fatherhood, not until Luke did what he did. This wasn’t just due to the initial stunned feeling of being rejected by his son, but having to watch his son supposedly die. Luke chose to die rather than to go down the same path of Vader.. a path he couldn’t follow. (See what I did there). All of these emotions hitting Anakin at once.. is what caused Vader to lose further aggression towards his son and to become withdrawn into emotional conflict. From that point going forward, you could clearly witness the change due to the remaining “good” in Vader, prompted by this emotional conflict, a conflict that eventually broke him as a Sith.
As a father I can only imagine how that man felt at that very moment.. Sniff.
Holy crap!!!! That really did change the way I see not just that duel but the rest of the original trilogy almost entirely!!! Thank you
I haven't read the book since the late 80's but I remember that Vader did indeed consider bringing luke back up after he jumped but he decided against it. He may even started to bring him back up but quickly stopped. It's been so long since I read it but there was a lot of neat nuggets in the books that you would never know from just watching the movies. For instance, when Luke turned himself in to Vader in RotJ, and was trying to convince Vader that there is good in him, Vader realized Luke was using Jedi mind trick on him and grinned under his mask.
Great video. Perfect analysis of a fight most thought they had figured out.
This is the reason why I always enjoy your channel bro.... I always say to myself Vader isn't even trying to fight Luke who was a noob at the time and yet still Vader was an experience Jedi Knight and a skilled Sith Lord. He was being easy on his son.
That's literally what happens in the movie.
Thank you! I’ve been trying to get an answer to the question “what was Vader‘s plan if he had frozen Luke in the Carbonite” for a long time. You gave a good answer. Do you think he would have let the emperor train Luke for a while and then reveal later his parentage in an attempt to lure Luke away?
At 2:18 Vader is saying the same line he does in the movie: "... Trained you well, you have controlled your fear, now release your anger!" With the added, "I've destroyed your family" bit.
Wow...character arcs, emotional depth, deeply felt motivations for characters' actions...could someone tell Disney this is what we want?
If you ever find yourself in a battle with Darth Vader, there's only 3 things that can kill him.
1. Force lightning ⚡
2. A sons love ❤️
3. A bag of sand.
If you have one of these then Vader won't stand a chance.
Also sand planets
You need the high ground though.
You could say the moment Luke chooses to fall to his (assumed) death, the first cracks in the dam of Vader begin to emerge and Anakin Skywalker is slowly becoming the dominant personality again.
I teared when young Anakin, Yoda and old Ben together... They came so far 😭
Literally as I was making this video I got emotional and was like damn I didn’t even realize I loved Star Wars this much
I cried thru the entire 2nd half of episode 3 first time I saw it in a theater and occasionally even now I tear up during parts of episode 3 and the OT especially when Vader saves Luke at the end of Return of the Jedi!!!
@@StarWarsAnalyst Your point about Luke dealing the finishing blow to break Vader's hold over Anakin is 100%% accurate to the lore. In current canon, the entire premise of the Vader (2020) comics begins immediately after the events on Cloud City and Vader is moping around in self-pity for the first sequence; even more so after discovering Padme's last words on Polis Masa.
When he finally returns to Coruscant, Palpatine can sense Vader's emotional conflict and decides to re-educate him in the ways of the Sith. He literally tears Vader apart and throws him back out on Mustafar to burn all over again.
I still hate that change.
What makes it even more poignant is that you're not really seeing Anakin as he was. You're seeing him as the Jedi he should have been.
Fantastic video! Sticking to the source material to explain what happened. THANK you! Excellent insights
The regret was always very clear, so was the dialogue which revealed Vader considering ruling the galaxy with his son - it being a lie or not. That's why it made sense for Luke to seek his father and the latters redemption at the end. It's a wonderful story arc and that's why everyone loved the trilogy so much. The Eighties were fun!
The whole Vader feeling defeated thing was very well fleshed out in the Vader comics. They really understood that for the storyline. Then palpatine had to restart Vader’s rage
I think I remember a comic where Vader fights Maul and Maul asks what he could possibly hate enough to give enough power for victory. And Vader says "Myself" and while he is standing back to back with Maul he stabs himself through the torso to imaple them both together.
@@alphaclean3364 yeah that was a good comic, pitty it’s legends.
@@TenToAceStudios No it's fitting. Legends is far superior to Canon.
@@kjhuang but it’s still a pity because it didn’t happen in Disney canon too. They should carry that over
@@TenToAceStudios Meh I stopped caring about Disney canon long ago. Let that universe rot in mediocrity.
It appears Luke was using the same moves he learned from Yoda in the Dagobah deleted scene.
Read the original Empire Strikes Back novel and comic book, all the deleted Empire Strikes Back lightsaber duel dialogue is there in the same order as the 4th and 6th draft scripts. Bottom line is that Luke could feel Vader cloud his thoughts and tempt him to fight using more anger. which is why the deleted footage does make sense. Like showed Anger, Fear, and Vader had to use two hands on his saber when Lukke used aggresion, then cut off Luke's hand
The voice audio to footage timing is heart wrenching. The fan art is amazingly heart wrenching, too. Exceptional video.
This is why I love this whole final battle , the storytelling in the actual choreography not just the dialogue, the aftermath with the only subordinate to survive failure...so good.
Just when I thought I couldn’t love my favorite movie anymore than I already do, you just added another layer. Thank you.
Love the analysis, great video! Speaks to the real story of star wars, the internal battle in all humans between dark and light.
That is the core of Star Wars
Technically he did destroy his family as Vader he killed Padme and Anakin 😅
And while he wasn't there to do it directly, the stormtroopers that killed Owen and Beru were operating under his orders.
Vader was talking about the only family Luke ever knew, Owen and Beru. Their deaths were the reason Luke left Tatooine with Obi-Wan.
I'm sure you may know, but Alec Guinness was actually wanting to fight faster & more intense, but the lightsaber props were delicate.
(If you've done a video on this, I may've missed it.)
I like the footage of Sir Alec Guinness getting into it. :)
In some of the wide shots I think they should've had swordsmen doing that scene, but they were under the gun as it is
(without adding more actors), but the pacing really doesn't bother me otherwise. :)
The thing is, the Original duel is actually the only one that comes close to depicting an ACTUAL sword fight (excluding Obi-Wan's painfully slow spin). Rather than bashing at each other, Obi-Wan and Vader are making use of footwork, positioning, the bind, and winden to create or find an opening.
@@Ambaryerno
I'm glad somebody said it. :)
4:52 The most amazing part of this video....someone actually using the word "literally" correctly!
Far be it for me to argue with the writer of the story but I had always felt that Vader not killing Piet after Luke escapes was because that he was actually *HAPPY* that Luke got away!
Luke was strong in the Force as well as showing strong character in choosing to die rather than turning to the dark side.
Don't forget, in Luke and Vader's thought projections during the final chase, Luke acknowledges Vader as his father. (Something Luke wasn't prepared to do at the end of the duel)
Luke's escape gave Vader time to play "the long game". There would be other opportunities and though the Emperor may consider this a "failure" Vader most certainly did not.
You have some really great videos. I appreciate you bringing all of these behind the scenes pieces out. As an OG fan from 1977 it’s really cool to see all the stuff. Do you know if there is any additional dialogue recorded between Vader and Luke right before he died? I always wondered if there was an expanded conversation. The one thing that disappointing me with the ending of return of the Jedi as we never got to see Luke tell Lea what happened to her father. I think that would’ve been another great emotional moment to end the movie with.
I can look into it. I’ve never heard of anything extra for that
But another scene that I always wondered about in ROTJ when the emperor temps Luke to strike him down when Luke attempts to attack him and Vader blocks his attack I don’t think he was saving the emperor he was saving luke cuz Vader knew if he did strike the emperor down it would start him down the path of the darkside and Vader did not want his son to suffer the same fate as him does anyone else agree with me on this? 🤔
In legends, Vader stopped him because he could sense Luke wasn't prepared to deal with the emotional ramifications of killing a "defenseless" person in cold blood; and wanted to slowly push him into the dark side until those thoughts of regret would no longer manifest.
In current canon, Vader stopped Luke from attacking because he knew if Palpatine was killed in anger, he would end up possessing Luke and then he would lose his son forever.
Y'all are overthinking it. Vader blocked Luke because that's what he was expected to do and he wasn't at the point of just letting the Emperor die like that.
@@thewarner2139 I never knew about the legends content thanks for the info
Excellent analysis of why ESB duel continues to be the best duel, and may forever be. All the Yoda flips and even Duel of the Fates can't compete with the atmospheric and emotional weight that was carefully built up throughout the movie. The back and forth psychological warfare throughout the fight itself is also a masterclass in 'show don't tell' which is almost void from any new Star Wars material as of late.
Really well done I'll be sure to check out more of your content.
Glad you enjoyed 😎 welcome to the channel
Nah, Kenobi vs Anakin still is on pair or almost on pair.
The others from PT are just superior in everything except emotions.
I always loved the way Vader put down his arm after Luke falls. So much expression in that little gesture
4:07 With the captions turned on it says that Vader “lost his pudding”. LOL
The further one digs, the more of George's genius comes out. Chapter's 1 thru 6 are perhaps the greatest cinematic story ever told
But a majority of fans could only see, "The love dualogue is bad!" and "It's too different from the original!" In reality, the prequels were EXACTLY what George envisioned during the making of Empire.
@Jonathan Duchak - Nonsense. Episodes IV-VI are great, though not without their own significant flaws,. But Episodes I-III are just as terrible and disrespectful to the original trilogy as are Episodes VII-IX. They're garbage.
I actually thought he let Admiral live because at this point the other ship had Luke so it was understandable that they got away.
But they weren’t supposed to have gotten away. The falcon’s hyperdrive was supposed to be deactivated by Piett’s men. Piett himself told this to Vader not long before they escape
@@StarWarsAnalyst I thought it was that vader realized his son was still alive after believing he died during the fall, so he had hope and didn't bother killing Piett.
I think it was more a case of the admiral clearly did his job since the Millennium Falcon didn't jet all that quickly and allowed Vader to talk to Luke. It wasn't an error on the admiral's part like it was with Admiral Ozzel. Piett had proven capable during the course of the movie.
@@scottb3034 But that's the thing: Piett didn't fail; he had the hyperdrive deactivated as he said. How was he to know that someone (R2-D2) was told that the hyperdrive had been deactivated and was able to reactivate it? Even if Vader wasn't distracted by Luke I doubt that he would've punished Piett for something that wasn't his fault.
@@charlesn898 Why are you @ ing me and then arguing with me when I was saying the same thing. lol I said he did his job.
_Vader wasn't distraught about Luke falling I know that look..._
_...Vader had a bad case of the space hemorrhoids!_
_A LONG TIME AGO, IN A RESTROOM FAR, FAR AWAY_
*SIDIOUS:* _Yesss, I can feeel it, the hemorrhoids is swelll-ing in you..._
_Strike them down with each passing moment they become more powerful,_
_...Take your ointment use it!!! Gooood, they are no match for the power of your Dark Side !_
I remember the theater audience cheering at 4:35.
The one thing about Luke losing his hand and Vader's revelation of him being Luke's father is that they were the catalysts for Luke's Trial of the Flesh.
The part of him losing his hand was the physical part of the trial.
The part of Vader telling Luke he is his father was the emotional and psychological part of the trial.
And Luke refusing to join Vader by falling in to Bespin's atmosphere was where he passed his Trial of the Flesh.
The line about Vader destroying Luke’s family isn’t a decoy line, bro. He’s talking about Owen & Beru, for whose deaths Vader is ultimately responsible. The burning corpses of his Aunt & Uncle in Episode IV would be a haunting image that would be ever present on his mind. I know that it was certainly an horrifically searing image for my young mind, watching it on VHS in the 80’s; and I had just met the bastards, much less having been raised by them.
Obi-wan killed, with help of the sand people, Owen and Beru. We can all see that the empires accuracy was only something Obi-wan made up, and see in episode 1 the accuracy of the sand people
A very interesting analysis. I'd say that while Vader won the physical battle by (literally) disarming his son, Luke won on the mental battlefield through refusing to join his father and the Dark Side.
And both times he refused involved the very likely possibility that he'd die for it.
Great video excellent job. I noticed Vader didn't kill Pieot at the end. I felt the reason he didn't kill anyone is because Vader knew he himself failed. The force was with Luke
You're saying things that I already realized a long time ago when I saw this scene a few times. It was as if Lucas wanted you to expect Vader to go on a kill crazy rampage, but he doesn't because he's shocked.
I always took Vader's not killing Piett as understanding/acceptance that the will of the force was responsible for what transpired.
I thought it was common knowledge that Vader wasn't even trying but rather testing him and working on recruiting him. I always felt like he was messing with Luke and was never actually trying to kill him.
Cool extra footage and analysis, though, as always.
Yeah, the one-handed technique Vader was using at the beginning pretty much showed that. Vader ambushing Luke after being kicked into the lower level showed that he was getting serious.
Man, your interpretation regarding Vader's emotional shock just enhanced the importance of the prequels regarding Anakin's character. I also think Vader had the same experience when trying to kill Obi Wan in ep. 3 of Kenobi - the inner conflict and the emotional pain was so powerful, it just froze him every time he was dealing with someone (once) close to him. Thumbs up!
There no interpretation, it's literally what happened in the movie.
@@jameswarner5878 not many see Luke jumping seemingly suicidal as a feat which broke Vader.
FUCKING FINALLY!
I've said this from the start!
It wasn't just Luke who was smarting from the encounter on Bespin but Vader too!
I always felt that Vader was baiting Luke to do something stupid and reach for the darkside so that he could determine just how powerful his son was, Luke choosing to let go and fall was a blow that Vader just wasn't prepared for.
After the Falcon goes into hyperspace, Vader's walk always seems more pondering than agressive, a) his son is alive, b) even after everything he refers to Vader as 'Father', and c) with Luke alive and a tentative force bond brewing under the surface is Vader now really, REALLY considering that over throwing the Emperor is now a serious possibility?
P.S How good is Admiral Piett?
Admiral Piett, my favorite high-ranking Imperial haha. Survived more failures under Vader than any other Imperial.
"Why did he do that?"
"Why didn't he do this? That makes no sense."
People will often comments about scenes like this, not just in Star wars, but in other movies as well, without even trying to understand the context of the scene or character motivations.
Nice video dude. May the Force be with you.
5:51 - the "Bring my shuttle!" line vs. "Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival.", it's interesting how Lucas approached improving his films in later editions.
Making it worse in that case
Out of all the duels in the franchise, Obi-Wan vs. Vader in the original film is the closest to what a REAL sword fight actually looks like (excluding Sir Alec's painfully slow spin). Rather than meaninglessly smacking their blades together and lots of superfluous spinny movements, Obi-Wan and Vader are each working the bind and using simple footwork, positioning, and winding (while maintaining blade contact to feel his opponent's intent!) to try to open up a line of attack, while the cuts are short and the movements are small and tight. This shows that the person doing the fight choreography on the original film ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS SWORD PLAY. And since I believe it was the Great Bob Anderson who did the choreography, that makes sense.
There are a lot of sword fighting styles. I took a class that taught mostly the English style, which was based on quarterstaff fighting. It involves a lot of what was called "circular style" wherein you DO make loops with the sword to maintain momentum. A lot of the moves are basically double strikes... the initial strike targets the opponent's weapon in order to knock it out of the way, then, as your own blade circles, the next strike in the exact same spot goes in for the kill.
I had a bit of fun using one of the moves on a "duelist" at our local Renaissance Fair, who would playfight whoever wanted to engage him. I landed a "killing" blow before he whacked me back.
A lot of sword fighting techniques also depend on the kind of weapon being used, how heavy it is, how many hands they're using, etc.
@@Swiftbow Regardless of style, you'd never do the kind of twirling and spinning nonsense you see throughout the PT in a real fight. ESPECIALLY with how often they TURN THEIR BACKS to their opponent (Maul dies about 20 times over in Episode I without rigid choreography to save his life).
English swordsmanship was not based on the quarterstaff. It in fact goes the other way around; staff builds on principles of half-swording taught with the longsword. English swordsmanship prior to the late Reniassance is very fragmentary, (and Silver spends more time complaining about Italians than he does actually TEACHING anything) but most of what's known IE the longsword is largely similar to German, although the English prefer to avoid blade contact altogether, while a German wants to bind you and stab you in the face.
The few places you find big, sweeping, circle cuts in serious swordsmanship is primarily in swords like the Montante, however those techniques ARE NOT MEANT TO ACTUALLY STRIKE YOUR OPPONENT. They're used for area denial during bodyguarding work to keep attackers out of a space, and either hope they decide it's not worth it, or to hold them at bay long enough for the local town guard or other reinforcements to arrive to drive them off.
@@Ambaryerno I agree on the back turning. That is almost never a good idea. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to think of a single time where it would be warranted.
As to the rest, I disagree... staff fighting predates swords and were also much more common amongst the populace because they were basically cost-free weapons.
It depends what period you're looking at... you're referencing the Renaissance, I'm talking Medieval. Renaissance involves a lot of foils, rapires, and such. While Medieval mostly involved larger swords.
@@Swiftbow The Renaissaince began in early 14th century. What we today consider the longsword appeared near the end of that century, (the earliest known written manuscript on the longsword, Liechtenauer's Zettel, is MS.3227 tentatively dated to 1389, so the longswords appeared sometime before that) with its most popular period of use in tournament, dueling, personal defense, and the battlefield lasting well into the 17th. The big two-handed swords like the Montante and German zweihanders were also in widespread use during the same period. Thus the use of these larger swords extends WELL into the Renaissance and Early Modern Period.
Don't mistake the longsword for its predecessor, the Great Swords of War, which began to appear in the 12th century. As a general rule of thumb, the true longswords are most often thrust-focused or cut-and-thrust swords, whereas the earlier great swords were almost exclusively focused on shearing blows, and generally had broader spatulate tips poorly suited to the thrust.
The rapier was a weapon of personal defense and dueling, not a battlefield weapon. By the 17th Century you begin to see the appearance of the sidesword for use in a martial context, which was basically an evolution of the classic knightly arming sword incorporating a complex hilt much like a rapier. However, the blade itself was broader and more like that of the earlier arming sword, being a cut-and-thrust blade (whereas the rapier was primarily focused on the thrust).
The foil appeared later in the 17th century as a training weapon. The closest weapon to the foil which would have actually been used in a duel is the small sword, which was used primarily in the 18th century.
@@Ambaryerno It's mostly the slashing focused swords I was discussing.
I’m not trying to sound like a know-it-all but I always thought this was obvious. Luke defeated Vader by NOT fighting. It was the first big indication that Luke was strong with the light side of The Force and it left Vader stunned and disoriented. That said, I agree with your analysis and glad this opened up some minds. I was not aware that people didn’t get this the first time around.
Guess you’re just one of the rare genuine hardcore fans 😎 welcome to the channel
@@StarWarsAnalyst Haha. Guilty as charged. And thanks for the warm welcome. SUBSCRIBED.
i share your sentiment. actually i am a bit puzzled by this being presented as some kind of revelation.
@@wsplatinum The younger generation has trouble seeing the obvious
@@wsplatinum I don't know your age but I suspect we are both old enough to remember seeing the original trilogy in the movie theater as they characters were first revealed. My first reaction was actually more like yours but then I looked in the comments and found that @starwarsanalyst really performed a public service here. For many of the people who posted comments on this video, this IS a revelation. So it leaves me thanking this RUclipsr for shedding light on younger generations of viewers. There are some things about STAR WARS that are impossible to recreate for new viewers. For example, the first time we are introduced to Yoda in Empire Strikes Back. This generation sees this little green guy and instantly declares "Oh that's Yoda." I remember thinking, as Luke, that he was some harmless swamp creature who plays with a flashlight and quarrels with R2-D2 and to discover that HE was the great Yoda and to come to respect him so much by the end of the film is an arc no contemporary viewer can truly appreciate. Yoda is so iconic and recognizable now, they are never going to feel that reveal like my peers and I did. Along similar lines, I remember seeing Darth Vader for the first time without even knowing his name or why everyone feared him so. The setup on that was truly groundbreaking. A lot of what put STAR WARS on the map are lost now just because so many of the concepts have become so integrated in our culture that it is no longer possible to experience them with the same cinematic gravitas. To borrow an old cliché, you just had to be there to really get. Anyway, cheers and thanks for your comment. May The Force be with you.
The "Special Edition" of ESB ruins the "Bring my shuttle" line, delivered from Vader's consternation...and PERFECTLY scored. Sometimes less is more.
if you ask disney for permission, then you don’t have to worry about copyright
Did Disney copyright claim at 1:20?
Yep 😂 they got like 5 seconds of music
@@StarWarsAnalyst Gosh I hate Disney
They're so goddamn vicious with their copyright that even the very _laws_ bend to their will
because they have to.
I’m so sick of people saying the fan edit at 0:11 is a better fight than the original. Its not. Its shitty looking lightsaber porn with no substance. George Lucas himself has said lightsaber fights aren’t about choreography or cool moves. They’re about the drama and thematic context of the fight.
Yeah. Though the fan version is really good.
Calling it shitty lightsaber p*rn is quite harsh. Its a fan edit with good vfx and fun to watch.
It actually had a meaningful substance if you wanna go there, considering it changed the music to the duel on mustafar as a reference that Vader was inevitably going to come out alive and Obi wan Wasn't. Though, I understand what you mean by the poor understanding of the original fight. I can admit it was quite pointless. Impressive, yet still quite pointless in a comparison.
Just saw Nick’s interview with SWTheory.
Its a shame how rude you’ve been in your dealings with Nick.
Hoping others see that interview and this channel is seen for what it is…a cash grab on someone else’s content.
Nothing is stolen and I NEVER removed any water mark…. He is lying to SWT.
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What I said to Nick was absolutely disrespectful, abhorrent, and outright vile. However, it’s important to establish that Nick is leaving out key elements of the story as to why those things were said at all. He’s also adding in some lies (such as that I removed his logo/watermark, which I never did). Nevertheless, there is no excuse for the things that I said to such a hero in the fanbase, but I simply got caught up in my own rage of the moment. Allow me to explain from the very beginning.
My conversation with Nick first began on October 14 when I explained that I like to analyze scenes that were deleted from Star Wars. I asked him if he could share the extended Palpatine vs 4 Jedi footage. I spoke to him with nothing but adoration, praise, and respect.
2 weeks later on November 1st, he shared the very footage that I had asked for, and I sent him another message letting him know how much I appreciated him for doing that. We chatted back and forth a bit, but I didn’t hear back from him again until about a week later.
On November 8th, rather than texting me like usual, he sent me an email cursing at me.
Despite him cursing at me, I was very apologetic, respectful, and even said “If you want me to remove anything or make any changes, please just let me know...”
He didn’t respond to me, so I decided to send him another text message where I told him
“Hopefully you can see man to man, that this was just a misunderstanding. I fully apologize and want you to know that I’m genuinely sorry.
If you’d like me to remove the content, please let me know…”
He NEVER responded to this text message, and I did not hear from him again until 2 months later.
I was more than willing to take down the videos, or make any adjustments, but then in January, I received 6 copyright takedown notifications from Nick. This was when I sent those nasty messages to him.
Was I wrong? Of course I was. There’s no excuse for that amount of disrespect. I was just very upset and overwhelmed about my channel receiving so many copyright strikes when I had specifically told him that I would just remove anything that he wanted me to.
I would like the opportunity to apologize to Nick myself, but naturally, I have since been blocked.
Attached are some text messages and emails that show what really happened from the beginning…👇
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Wow. So deep...and correct. I've never heard any of these explanations, or rundowns of the deleted scenes. You deserve way more than 142K subscribers. Very interesting.
These nuances you point out and the dynamic between Vader and Luke, revealed to Luke a glint of hope to turn his father back to the Light... This show of heart in Empire and the end of TROJ are what makes them my 2 favorite movies in the saga.
4:58 your nose is crooked.
First
Love the way this analysis matches exactly the way I feel about their relationship. It's great.
This make so much sense! I never saw it this way before. I always read Vader’s actions as curiosity. “How strange that this kid would choose to jump than embrace the power of the dark side”, followed by more curiosity when he gets away. As though there may be something more to learn from Luke and his gang to bolster his own power or something, or a facet of the force he hadn’t considered or come across before.
For me, the duel at Bespin is the greatest for all reasons. I love it. The only scene from The Force Awakens that made the hair stand up on the back of my neck was the Force flashback when Rey PALPATINE touched the Skywalker saber....and the vision takes us to....BESPIN for a second. Wow.
Good move by George on cutting the double torso swipes, that definitely would have made Vader look weak. You could always tell after Luke lands that shoulder blow Vader was done messing around.
Kudos for being on the bridge of a destroyer and not just staring out to space.
Well done Lad 100%👍 , I grew up with the original trilogy as a kid.
Everything you say is spot on. I hope you collect vintage Starwars? I started recollecting 27 years ago and ive a lot of vintage to pay for by the 4th.
Keep making these videos as you've made an older man happy, as it always great to see the younger generation(s) reflecting and giving a great valid opinion about the films.
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
My fave lightsabre fight is from Star Wars, as it's based on the martial art Kendo, and I think it's the only tim we see any thought into going into using a weapon that isn't a just a sword, but acts like a torch in some regards. Empire's fight though is very close and sometimes I prefer that one.
Well done, young man. I've been watching this movie over and over since it came out in the theater in 1980, and that last point never occurred to me. That's seriously deep.