Those weren't ballpoint pens, they were sharpies for writing "choke me" on the backs of any officers they were competing with for favor from vader or the emperor.😁😁
It's because Disney's writing process probably starts with a checklist: "Who's the hero?" "What's his or her slogan?" "Who are the side characters" "What makes them unique?" "Who's the villain?" "What makes them bad?" "What's the McGuffin?" And they madlib these answers into the stock adventure script.
One of these days we're going to cover the side characters too, there is so much potential in some of the ideas. A stormtrooper who defects? So much more could have been done there. -DZ
"Those Maniacs finally really did it they create a worse version of something that has existed for 30 years." A perfect statement that describes not just Rank Cylinders but the whole Squeal Trilogy.
I officialy accuse you of writing Squeal on purpose, and not to hide the fact that Sequel is one of the few stupid words in this language that is still phonetic.
Honestly the lamest excuse of all time for her garbage movies. YOU HAD SOURCE MATERIAL TO DRAW FROM! Even if they wanted to change a little stuff. Even if they didn’t, nothing else Star Wars made ever had source material. Just write good shit in the first place!
There's one major flaw in 9. The writers claim 16hrs but fail to account for the days and weeks everyone would have to travel in hyperspace to amass the heroes' fleet at location.
To be fair, Lucas played fast and loose with hyperspace in Revenge of the Sith as well. Palpatine got to Mustafar from Coruscant basically right away when that was going from the Core Worlds to the Outer Rim. Disney just continued on with that idea that hyperspace was basically instantaneous travel (and then added on the even more egregious offense of making sunlight travel between star systems not take decades or centuries).
@@flamingsickle obviously you forgot about Darth Sion who was held together by his will and the force. The actual amount of time is undisclosed. Theoretically Anakin (Vader) could have willed it so long enough for Palatine to rescue him. The so called "fast and loose" would actually be attributed to unnecessary time not being included so that the audience doesn't get lost. What happened in 9 was a total disregard for the lore by Disney which was exibited in 7, 8, and Solo as well.
@@flamingsickle hyperspace lanes work in a way that makes many convenient writing opportunities, but with makes this particular instance of many ships arriving at the same time impossible. See, some lanes can take you very far in a short amount of time, whereas others could take a week to travel relatively little distance. This is why they fought over hyper space shipping lanes in the clone wars and why wars seem so concentrated most of the time. Hyperspace lanes can be blockaded, and you don’t want to be the side that has to wait weeks for supplies and troops to get to the enemy when the enemy can get theirs to you in a few days.
Hyperspace is and always has been instant travel in Star Wars. Examples include in Episode 2, Anakin and Padme make it to Geonosis before Obi-Wan is executed. The Jedi make it there to save them, and Yoda goes to get the Clones and go to Geonosis before it's all over. In Episode 3, Obi-Wan, Padme, Anakin, and Palpatine all head to Mustafar in the time period..
i did NOT expect genuine constructive criticism like this in a video that i would thought was just about code cylinders ngl, honestly i think the one thing about the sequels is the lack of planning. if they just stuck with one director and a solid plan it wouldve atleast been salvagable through the shows. i absolutely love how you brought in the potential of an actual star war rather than one or two small skirmishes
No, it wouldn't have been. Abrams ruined the trilogy with 7, and if the second had a better director and pushed it into a good direction that would've been what saved it. JJ shouldn't have been involved. The only other save could've come from them using George's outline
I really like the idea of one big Star Destroyer with a death laser. They could change the plot to be more of a “hunt for the Bismarck” type of plot, while still containing palpatine and so on
@Greg Elchert Orbital bombardments - you can do it in the game Rebellion / Supremacy (old PC game) and it pisses the galaxy off when you kill civilians / non-combat buildings, but sometimes its the best way to get a stubborn planet to flip. And I love how we go from needing a 10 mile long ship to mount a super laser to just mounting one on the belly of an ISD-type ship. And then don't get me started on the stupid shield device... ONly one ship controls the shielding on *all* of them? A child could have come up with better ideas.
There are ruins of a Sith temple on Coruscant. Deep below the Jedi Temple from the prequels. Finding a language sample and have Rey’s vision could be in the same location.
@@brok56 There are planned episodes of TCW where Ahsoka explores these ruins. Check out the 2014 SW celebration TCW panel. They talk about what could have been.
This was how it happened in Colin Trevarrow's script actually. Granted, it was still a really bad script. Thing is, you can make great plot choices and still have a bad movie
Or if the eu was still canon, head to yavin 4. Those temples that the rebels used as a base are literally the ruins of ancient sith lord Naga sadow (until exar kun succeeded him) base. You can jam in a nostalgia reference and have a non stupid way of doing it.
The first issue with the sequels was Disney banishing the Legends sources, all the books and background built up by fans over the decades. Not only were they incredibly arrogant to dismiss such a vast body of work, but many times over considering the stupidity of what they came up with to replace it.
That was the first sign, discarding the entire canon. That reduces the movies to surface-level: does Bib Fortuna still have his name in the Disney universe? There's no way to tell what knowledge is still true in the rebooted version. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus I disagree, since this is a disingenuous perspective. There was 'stupidity', 'foolishness' and 'idiocy' within the Expanded Universe also. Individuals simply omit this from their praise of the Legends continuity. Obviously there is a difference. The Sequel Trilogy are three firms with infinitely greater exposure. The Legends continuity consisted primarily of video games, comic series and novels. Still your assertion that there's no way to tell if Fortuna has his name is slightly perplexing. Multimedia did not stop in 2014. A quick search on Wookieepedia reveals there is one continuity which is now canonical, and one which is reffered to as Legends.
Disney, didn't banish the EU. Lucasfilm discontinued it. It isn't canonical, however whats brilliant is that you do not need to defer to Lucasfilm here (yet you do) and reject that.
As this video demonstrates well, they even banish existing canon shown (but never really explained) in the original movies. There was so much opportunity to build on that.
Meh... Disney bought the Lucasfilm house for $4b... that doesn't mean they were obligated to keep every piece of wallpaper and carpeting George had installed over the previous 40 years. The EU didn't go anywhere, they are free to use chunks of it... if and when they see fit. Sure, Disney whizzed their additions to the franchise down their collective leg... but I have no problem with them not wanting to be beholden to some rando novel written in 1986.
17:45 I remember one of my favorite 'Tubers complaining about a similar event in a Call of Duty game where Russia invades every country simultaneously: "Now I've never invaded Europe, except that one time, but it seems like something you'd want to space out a bit."
I loved your commentary, particularly the segment regarding the ticking clock. It makes no sense to use this contrivance in the context of Star Wars. In the movie, the reborn Emperor's "Final Order" lasts for only . . . what, a few hours? Imagine there's some alien race somewhere in the galaxy that has a long sleep cycle. The inhabitants of that world settle down, the events of Episode IX occur, and they wake up. "Hey, good morning. What did I miss?" "The Emperor came back while you were sleeping. But he's dead again, no worries." "Whoa, holy shit."
In the clip of the poor officer cringing away from Ren's lightsaber, it really looks like he has a couple of rank cylinders in special loops on his uniform. Which only makes the medalion thing that much weirder, even if thirty years have passed.
Honestly, Rian more than JJ. JJ's first entry had potential, if it had been supported properly. Rian came said "Gee, that vague outline you've got looks real fuckin neato, J" and tossed it. And the lore. And the moral themes of Star Wars. After Rian's grubby hands got in, there was no recovering it. Every tantalizing question started in the first movie was cutoff or given the least satisfying answer ever, just to "subvert expectations." Of particular insult was the "your Snoke theory sucks"... thing. They were SOMETHING Rian, better than just giving nothing and killing him off so it doesn't matter anyway. JJ was required to tack a third movie onto a duology, JJ's second movie was going to be an "Aladdin 4: Jafar Might Need Glasses" (ref: ruclips.net/video/FLXmyau8Tmc/видео.html ) from the start.
@@thenewgumby1665 At first I really liked it, but the more I look at the more I find issue with it. The first two had good ideas but poor executions, and the third was a feeble grab to tie together two conflicting visions that maybe could have been reconciled, but the two directors only ever accepted each other's vision when given no other choice. They went, my ideas better at each other, crushing anything they might have built on their own. They couldn't build anything up over the course of the movies because of that, so everything is an out of the blue mess.
Just an FYI, those are not writing pens in the original trilogy, they're radiation dosimeters. You clip one in your pocket and carry it around with you while working in a radioactive environment, such as a power plant or missile silo, and then at the end of your shift you use it to see how much cumulative radiation you've been exposed to. They're round to make them easy to plug into a charging socket. In The Mandalorian, we actually do see one being used as an access key to a computer terminal. In the novels they were variously referred to as "rank cylinders" or "code cylinders" and basically were an electronic key officers used to log into computers, access restricted areas, prove their identity, etc. But, just like the stormtrooper helmets that don't filter out poison gas, the First Order takes things the Empire did and then implements them in the most retarded way possible.
look i'm not gonna tell you how to live your life but you can say every sentence you did about the idiocy of the rise of skywalker's plot construction without ending your ideas with "it's retarded" like a grade schooler trying to think of a stronger word for stupid that just so happens to insult every neurodivergent person in a 50 foot radius. i promise you, your vocabulary will thank you.
The Monty Python reference had me cracking up. “Our chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear are our two chief weapons. Surprise, fear, and ruthless efficiency.!”
@@matthewegan5281 I would say it\its would fit Droids. But it would be a little complicated as they seem to have personalities and are referred to under male or female pronouns. Such as anakin calling artoo “little guy”
Another alternative for the C3PO is the HK series, the original HK47 was designed by Darth Revan himself, so it was probably programmed with sith language.
@@justindunlap1235 Now that could have been something. C3PO is erased to allow translation, only it is not a mere protocol droid they got. "Disgruntled reply: yes, mistress." Oh god, imagine HK applying his knowledge on how to kill Force users on Palpatine. Suddenly, C3PO's total lack of combat skills appears to have been intended by Anakin because the original personality of the processor was so kill-happy.
well the protocol droids, all of them have a databank containing the sith linguistic system in its entirety however the only ones who could unlock those were the jedi specifically through a specific pass code or a specific command so they can have any protocol droid translate sith text and to protect sith secrets from anyone who fell to the dark side of the force and try to restore the sith order
What if the HK programming is just in all the translator modules, like how DOS is still under Windows? 3PO thinks there's no such thing, because he has no programming hooks into it, but it's underlying his programming. That would be a great excuse to brick him. "We're going to be hacking into some really old, really foundational software. No telling if we can get him back afterwards."
@@robertbeisert3315 it was sealed by republic order under republic laws and only a jedi could give a protocol droid authorization to translate sith be it through a pass code or phrase only kept by the jedi just in case sith super weapons or other secrets were found or even activated by accident
The Pens have been seen used several times, but only in the Animated shows like Star Wars Rebels (they called them code cylinders and used to unlock doors)
Wonderful, that's what we're aiming for. Never found someone tackling these movies in quite the way I wanted to see, so it's time to make the series myself. -DZ
Looking at the shot from the Executor, it was nowhere under 10 kilometers. There are star destroyers visible and even if they are the smaller ones, you still can fit at least 10 of them in a row. Imo this is one of the moments where you realize even the old trilogy wasn't without flaws.
Just discovered your channel, and let me say it is refreshing to find someone who is so well-versed in the Star Wars mythos and technical knowledge of the world. If you find anything it’s usually those that tend to hype up the spiritual elements a lot. I find the minute things like droid variants, imperial doctrine and systems, and weapon lineages to be quite fascinating. I’ll be sure to watch your career with *great* interest, fellow Legends enjoyer. ;3
They actually use Rank Cylinders (though they call them "Code Cylinders") in the Star Wars Rebels cartoon, and they work much the same way as you described them. So the items are even canon in Disney's lore. Look up the videos about "Ezra and Kallus infiltrate Thrawn's office" and "Framing Lyste for being Fulcrum" for relevant scenes.
Leland Chee has REALLY been dropping the ball. Or they just didn't bother talking to him. It all just feels like cosplay and roleplaying with these "creators". At least Andor actually feels like Star Wars, contrary to popular opinion. It doesn't follow the traditional story, nor does it include cameos and things we know, so I get that, but the production value really makes you feel like you're in the Star Wars universe. Really great content! Keep up the good work!
Andor is the best Star Wars media in years. I absolutely loved Rogue One but Andor is second to none. That being said, Andor is pretty well liked, I'm pretty sure it's not an unpopular opinion to say it's good. It feels sort of like the first act or call to action of Luke Skywalker in A New Hope, except it keeps that tension for most of its run. I wasn't a super fan of the political intrigue stuff, though I liked all the spy stuff and for lack of a better term "heist" stuff. What an amazing show. Something that takes place in the Star Wars universe doesn't have to follow the Lucas formula. A lot of the extended universe already proved that.
@@theothertonydutch If one watched more than 3 episodes of Andor, they liked it. The problem is that many people just didn't fucking watch the show because their attention spans are shorter than their dongs are. The only real problem with Andor is that episodes came out once a week so it took forever for the show to progress but individual episodes weren't bad or boring at all. In fact, I was really excited the entire way through.
@@skeptic_lemon Andor is the only Star Wars media that has had me excited and questioning what's going on and theory crafting what happens next on the show. It's the only one that has consistently kept me engaged. Not to disparage Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi, or any of the others too much, but They just don't pull me in as much. One of the things that pulls me in IS the politics because Star Wars politics is complex and interesting to watch unfold, at least to me.
Andor episode one was a bit slow and kinda bad but goddamn the rest of the show was so good lmao I was like "well I might as well watch it so I can get ideas for legion." And ended up binging the entire series in a day or two lmao
@@ShuTheIdiot I'll be completely real with you, I started watching episode one when it first aired but got bored like 20 minutes in. I was in a bad mind set at that time but I decided to revisit it and ended up binging it too lol. It's so gripping and mature. You just gotta get yourself through the little bit of muck first.
The general public isn't interested in "Talking" or "Tactics" etc.. todays directors assume the people want action almost non stop, that's what made the older movies so good, a slow pace.. but at just the right pace.. action when necessary. That plays a huge part in why we feel so nostalgic to these older movies.. and I'm not just talking star wars. The Ticking Clock as you described, was a great example.
I have another suggestion for the sith language. Since we know siths existed during the prequel era it would be possible that c3po had it added. Sya maybe Anakin added the 6 million languages originally but during the clone wars had padme upgrade him to understand sith. Say this language wasnt in his main data base. The person resetting his memory would then not know to wipe this. Instead maybe she just turned it off or something (this idea need fixing yes, but could work). R2D2 would then know that 3po secretly knew this. Maybe the gang can't install it but guess who can. FRICK. keeps the character, uses prequel knowledge. Works great but needs some fixes. Great video btw
actually the databank containing the sith language is in all protocol droids and the only ones authorized to access it were jedi officials during the republic era. this was so if they had to investigate a sith super weapon or if the sith order were to be revived they could have a means to investigate it. its likely that the protocol droids probably needed a specific pass phrase to unlock the data base. C3P0 said that the files for the sith language were sealed by republic officials by a republic order for the suppression of sith languages (this is the 2nd republic the one in the prequals) its logical to assume that only jedi could access the language which is logical if the jedi (who are not trained to read sith) need assistence if say a sith super weapon is activated or if the sith were being revived by someone who's fallen to the dark side (or if an object containing a sith vestage is found and the sith vestage possesses someone like the incident with the vestage of Darth momin)
I watch a lot of RUclips but this is probably my new favorite RUclips series. I love everything about this video. The minute dissection of a ballpoint pen to then references the original source material. And I love the clever solution to a plot contrivance.
I think the medallion could’ve worked had they actually put effort into it. It could’ve been a modern upgrade or whatever. Also I’m sure I’ve seen code cylinders used in the animated series somewhere many times.
All they had to do was make them magnetically attached to the uniform, and the base holder had to be within a certain distance, much like an NFC chip. So not only would they need the medallion, but the base it was coded to.
Ok, correction. The Executor-class Star Dreadnought (the original super star destroyer) is 18km long, not 8km. The Mandator II Dreadnought, a similar but older design from the Clone Wars, was 8km long. This actually means that the Executor-class is longer than the _Eclipse,_ but it only has a quarter of the bulk.
Yep, a moments thought, by anyone involved, that's all it would have taken. Yet that is more than they bothered to give us. JJ is actually incredibly stupid, change my mind.
Going into this movie, I was determined to give JJ all the chances he deserved. A couple of minutes in, I noticed the camera was always moving. It didn't stay still for two seconds in a row, until two hours in. That'd be weird even if everything else was acceptable. -DZ
@@TheFirstCurse1not really, given most of the issues with 8 stemmed from the issues of 7. Like Luke, what better explanation is there, not only for his absence but also for his allowing Han to die? Allowing multiple worlds to be destroyed? There isn't a better one imo. That's just one example. I get why Johnson is hated but JJ is far worse
Another solution for C-3PO could have been an old HK series droid, which was around during the Sith Empire and most likely would have known Sith. We know that droids are often recycled, especially battle droids, so maybe a droid stuck in a warehouse didn’t have its memory wiped and they use that. Would be a neat little Easter egg for fans. Wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense, but would have been better than what was originally in there.
In defense of the "Captain's token", I can imagine that as the Imperial Remnant evolved into the first order, they probably had to deal with a lot of hacking and sabotage via those who were no longer loyal to The Empire. Those cylinders were made by somebody and some of those somebodies were probably more than willing to sell a few illegal cylinders to any rebel (now new republic), criminal, or nerfherder with enough credits. Switching to a completely different security system would have seemed a good idea.
on the whole sith language thing. I actually think it makes a lot of sense. so I could actually understand old republic compatible parts having sith language but having it restricted. C3PO is cannonically made from scrap parts, meaning older parts. so it could be that "tran-lang 2 model A" which is a compatible part from the old republic has Sith hard coded onto it but has been incripted lock, with a protocol to contact the nearest authorities for reason of tampering and espionage. the reason for its continued existence and ownership is because in the middle republic era it didn't make any sense to remove it as anyone investigating Sith was either a Sith hold out, or was already a licensed historian. the Hutts would have wanted to continue this tradition, because corruption, but also because they too feared the Sith empire, and its remnants. the other thing to keep in mind is that the public view of the Sith, was as a totalitarian and warlike species based empire on a botched peaceful emmesarry mission became a galactic menace. they associate the Jedi, not the Sith order, with instigating the indecent as they wildly spread through the Galaxy and plyed their trade, often in strange and misunderstood ways. the Jedi Order was established from the Jedi council to prevent rouge Jedi from running free and causing problems. they view the rouge Jedi of the sith empire as just that, rouge Jedi. that even though the council banished them it was determined that the only solution to the dark-force tendency to become violent and destructive was to "quite" them to the force. the early Jedi order was Very hated by the republic, but allowed to continue because their abilities made them too dangerous to directly confront and their peaceful nature was a direct benefit to the state both in pacification of force sensitives but also in diplomacy. this was the reason most Jedi never "left the order" that is to say they rarely left their sanctioned spaces where the republic held them to little scrutiny. so hiding Sith from the public and having such a protocol was an anti-propaganda move by the republic. reinforced by the Jedi, it is known that there is of little value of sith artifacts except to either be left alone, or prostrated in museums as a token of truth to the national epic of the republic. as for the keeping of the protocol, there are legitimate reasons for knowing sith as shown and it could have been that you need a license to activate the protocol without having your life endangered. so C3PO having sith preloaded and encripted, actually has some president. the extension is palpatine may have more strictly enforced this, and the new republic continued this because of palpatine himself. this all centered on the innate fear the republic/empire has on Sith propaganda. a close analogy is McCarthyism and the red scare.
on thing i wondered about was that secret path to exogol looked like a horror to fly through and i thought it'd destroy the heroes. when the motley fleet of good guys showed up i was amazed they all survived that harrowing trip....and how many would die returning home, and would the evil fleet have troubles leaving too?
I don't think anyone knew what was going on with that plot point. I would accept "it's in a nebula", but this seemed more like a space roadblock. It looked like one red cloud over to the side, not surrounding the whole star system for light-years in every direction. -DZ
"The Hitch Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy is a very unevenly edited book and contains many passages that simply seemed to its editors like a good idea at the time. One of these (the one Arthur now came across) supposedly relates the experiences of one Veet Voojagig, a quiet young student at the University of Maximegalon, who pursued a brilliant academic career studying ancient philology, transformational ethics and the wave harmonic theory of historical perception, and then, after a night of drinking Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters with Zaphod Beeblebrox, became increasingly obsessed with the problem of what had happened to all the biros he’d bought over the past few years. There followed a long period of painstaking research during which he visited all the major centres of biro loss throughout the galaxy and eventually came up with a quaint little theory which quite caught the public imagination at the time. Somewhere in the cosmos, he said, along with all the planets inhabited by humanoids, reptiloids, fishoids, walking treeoids and superintelligent shades of the colour blue, there was also a planet entirely given over to biro life forms. And it was to this planet that unattended biros would make their way, slipping away quietly through wormholes in space to a world where they knew they could enjoy a uniquely biroid lifestyle, responding to highly biro-oriented stimuli, and generally leading the biro equivalent of the good life. And as theories go this was all very fine and pleasant until Veet Voojagig suddenly claimed to have found this planet, and to have worked there for a while driving a limousine for a family of cheap green retractables, whereupon he was taken away, locked up, wrote a book, and was finally sent into tax exile, which is the usual fate reserved for those who are determined to make a fool of themselves in public. When one day an expedition was sent to the spatial coordinates that Voojagig had claimed for this planet they discovered only a small asteroid inhabited by a solitary old man who claimed repeatedly that nothing was true, though he was later discovered to be lying. There did, however, remain the question of both the mysterious 60,000 Altairan dollars paid yearly into his Brantisvogan bank account, and of course Zaphod Beeblebrox’s highly profitable second-hand biro business."
Besides the quality and the point of content, I so appreciate the Homeworld soundtrack on the background! I think it deserves more frequent appearing on the YT.
When c3po says Taking one last look at my friends, i laughed then cried, laughed again, threw up, passed out, woke up, force choked myself until i passed out again, by the time i came to, the movie was over... worth it.
I wanted R2 to restore 3PO's memory from the very beginning. A true friend would have. Wiping his memory was an injustice. Can you imagine C-3PO with the wisdom of his actual age (like 50ish years, I'm guessing)? I always hated that the one of the characters who had been through it all was always treated with such disdain. C-3PO had seen the fall of two galactic government systems before Poe was spared from being a stain on one of Kes Dameron's socks. Who does he think he is, treating C-3PO like that? He's second generation military. He should know better. Don't disrespect those who have skills you don't, especially if you are relying on them to get where you're going next. I lost all respect for Dameron after Rise of Abrams--I mean Skywalker.
The saddest thing about the removal of the rank cylinders is the removal of their historical significance, During the Cultural Revolution in China the communist party removed rank insignia in the Chinese military, This incredibly stupid idea meant that nobody knew the rank of others, So officers started to wear ballpoint pens in their pockets to signify rank. More ballpoint = higher rank, They kept doing this for a few months until the communist party came to their senses and reinstated ranks signifiers. Lucas directly referenced this historical oddity with the rank cylinders in 1977.
Didnt the Geonosians initially design the Death Star? Also interesting to note, the idea of multiple Death Stars comes from the original draft for VI; there’s even McQuarrie concept art (although obviously it was good they didn’t go with that)
I don't think that they designed it, but they built most of it over Geonosis. Star Wars Rebels goes into this. I'm almost certain they were only given the blueprints and told to build it by Dooku. The Death Star looks like nothing even remotely Geonosian.
Your explanations over the past three videos about the little details of the SW universe makes me want to start up another tabletop adventure. There's just so much to explore and so much story telling potential. Thanks!
I have always had friends who read the novels, comic books and ship/lore encyclopedias who always left me confused with their explanations (despite having watched the original trilogy in theatres and DVDs 100s of times). This video was great because it was informative and fun, with the added bonus of being able to rewind and pause.
Star Wars Rebels, which I really enjoyed even though it was more kid-friendly, calls them code cylinders which is close enough, and actually demonstrates their use several times. Agent Kallis (sp?) steals one to use it to implicate another officer, which shouldn't be easy to do but he's an ISB agent (Imperial Security Bureau) so he knows all the tricks. It's two-factor authentication, three-factor if there's a biometric component. Also logs everything you do, so if you do access materials that you technically have permission to access but it's questionable why you would want to, they can find out later in an investigation if something happens.
Would explain a brief trip to say Wayland and a former Imperial base where the Emperor stayed a while and thus had a limited collection of Sith artefacts and books which could be used to triangulate the coordinates imedded on the artefact they have. Simply running a search on the gibberish might reveal its actual name as the Wayland computer logs may have a listing given the genetic cloning done at both places after all. Sorry I agree this could be easily rectified in episode 7 keep Poe around so Rey doesn't end up having to do everything and thus was less of a Mary Rey. In 8 reveal Holdo was New Republic and Resistance explaining her animosity to Poe and reveal there's a traitor onboard and they need to send a team to Canto Bight to discover exactly how the First Order is tracking them. Then reveal the Empire and then the New Republic started tagging ships with a beacon they can keep tabs on as the New Republic didn't want a Rebel Alliance forming against them despite their actions forcing Han to return to smuggling to acquire ships that aren't tagged so the Resistance can avoid being tracked. Which then explains why Holdo was sent after Leia to bring her back to Hosnian Prime they just ran out of time so wasn't present when Starkilled Base blew up Hosnian Prime. Make the New Republic more of an enemy to the Resistance as Snoke loyalists were effectively taking over behind the scenes so all Snoke needed was to blow up the capital and his pawns would assume control as they wasn't present when the capital was blown up. Sorry really have problems with the ST.
This vid reminds me of how much I used to adore learning about every possible detail these movies had to offer. I collected every scrap of paper or plastic I could find about these movies as a kid. I was like a movie archeologist. this was back before the ramp up of kerch preceeding the prequels. After the prequels it was impossible to keep up collecting. I hate having to despise something I once loved so much.
The Rebels show clearly showed that you could easily steal a rank cylinder to do low security stuff (almost) everywhere. That seems to be a major difference to other sources and basically dumbs it down to a personalised key. Which would still work, get a key from someone with access to where you want, and unless someone verifies your identity against the key, you're golden
Funny to see how the humble chalk holder became the basis for iconic props. Some of the code cylinders used throughout the movies are based on aluminum chalk holders. A slightly different style was used as the main body piece for the Tenth Doctor's sonic screwdriver.
I only noticed the pens in the arm of the X-wing pilot costume for the first time and thought about this video. How can I have never recognised them in almost 50 years? That's great costume design, right there.
Heck maybe you can have a refference to hk47, where c3po momentarily calls the humans "meatbag" before profusely apologizing to them for a momentary "personality glitch"
They are not dongles; they are screwdrivers. _Tonic_ screwdrivers. For that refreshing break after a particularly hard day, having blown up a planet of peaceable inhabitants.
The rank cylinder is like a modern day military CAC card. The id card all military personnel have that carries biometric data, security clearances, and serves to identify the service member. To use one with a CAC enabled computer system though, you still need a password. Disney Wars data discs is like having a smart phone, with all your personal and private opens open and logged into, with no security on the phone.
I originally though the Captains Medallion was something like a letter that a general could have given you so you could move past different check points to go someplace (mainly thinking of Liberty’s Kids, but I do recall it having happened quite a few times throughout history).
The bit with 3p0 getting wiped could have had a heartwarming bit where they need to reset him, and want to back up his personality. But 3p0 doesn't want some random stranger ripping out his mind and soul, but instead the only entity that he trusts: that stupid, reckless, insolent astromech, R2D2. Because while they are always together, 3p0 never actually says he likes R2D2, and I think that it would be nice to see that 3p0 really does trust him with his life
If you haven't already seen it, you must watch "How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was saved in the edit (sort of, but not really)", it is the greatest star wars video I've ever seen
Very interesting. I am glad I stumbled on to this. Personally, I would have went a very different direction than Mr Abrams did. I enjoy this sort of, "how could it have played with in the existing rules" discussion. As this says it's part 3, I would like to have seen a link to part 1 and part 2 in the description. Thanks for taking the time to make this and for sharing it.
During the Clone Wars, all droids used by the republic are supposed to have their memories wiped, to prevent leak of information in the off chance the enemy gets ahold of them. C3PO had his memory wiped several times. R2D2 however, being more reliable an allie, only had his memory wiped once, and that was only concerning a specific time frame (can't remember which clone wars episode it was). Other than that, Anakin didn't want to lose his most reliable buddy. Due to the lack of the memory wipe, is why R2D2 has such a strong personality for an astromech droid.
As I recall, the reason 3PO could understand the Ewoks was that their language is a close relative to the language of another species that inhabit the Forest Moon, and whom are more common to find in the wider galaxy. Those furry long limbed guys with the weird noses... Ummm... The Yuzum I think? They added a CGI singer of that species to Jabba's palace in the remastered version of RotJ.
5:58 it’s almost like the person coming up with these ideas back then actually cared about what they were making (that can’t be right I mean who would actually care about their work when they could be spending their time destroying something people love) and it wasn’t just a case of “”we need a way for our hero’s to get past the thing we wrote that they can’t get past””
The rank cylinders are actually old surplus dosimeters. You can still get these by the way. Making it even worse, because getting screen accurate props would have needed nothing more that a scroll down ebay or a stroll down to the next old military surplus store.
Ballpoint pens are how you write on holograms in space.
You should try an astronaut pen lol
Turbolazer Pointer with an S.
Those weren't ballpoint pens, they were sharpies for writing "choke me" on the backs of any officers they were competing with for favor from vader or the emperor.😁😁
@@mcborge1 Someone's been to Catholic school!
@@StephenGillie Nope! Just a standard british secondary school. 😁😁
It's because Disney's writing process probably starts with a checklist: "Who's the hero?" "What's his or her slogan?" "Who are the side characters" "What makes them unique?" "Who's the villain?" "What makes them bad?" "What's the McGuffin?" And they madlib these answers into the stock adventure script.
One of these days we're going to cover the side characters too, there is so much potential in some of the ideas. A stormtrooper who defects? So much more could have been done there. -DZ
@Paradox Technologies Corporation they hired somebody
and "How do we monetize this? Merch? Amusement park rides? Dance Teams?"
The only question Disney asks is "Will dumbass kids lose their shit when mommy says no to the cool toy?"
So they use manatees?
"Those Maniacs finally really did it they create a worse version of something that has existed for 30 years."
A perfect statement that describes not just Rank Cylinders but the whole Squeal Trilogy.
And most Hollywood remakes/reboots/sequels in the last 20 years.
I officialy accuse you of writing Squeal on purpose, and not to hide the fact that Sequel is one of the few stupid words in this language that is still phonetic.
They should have used some of those ball point pens to write something worth watching or to vote Kathleen Kennedy's sacking.
squeal trilogy? I like it. Because THAT'S ALL THAT EVER HAPPENS IN IT. NONSTOP F**KIN SQUEALING.
applies to modern politicians as well
But Kathleen Kennedy said they had no source material!!! Where you get all of these books and comics?
Honestly the lamest excuse of all time for her garbage movies. YOU HAD SOURCE MATERIAL TO DRAW FROM! Even if they wanted to change a little stuff. Even if they didn’t, nothing else Star Wars made ever had source material. Just write good shit in the first place!
From The forbidden archives of korriban.
Something that Kathleen wouldnt want you To know.
@@brok56 it’s impossible perhaps the archives are incomplete
Shhhhhhh quiet you..
Relegated to “legends”. It’s not about making a good movie. It’s about sending a message.
There's one major flaw in 9. The writers claim 16hrs but fail to account for the days and weeks everyone would have to travel in hyperspace to amass the heroes' fleet at location.
To be fair, Lucas played fast and loose with hyperspace in Revenge of the Sith as well. Palpatine got to Mustafar from Coruscant basically right away when that was going from the Core Worlds to the Outer Rim. Disney just continued on with that idea that hyperspace was basically instantaneous travel (and then added on the even more egregious offense of making sunlight travel between star systems not take decades or centuries).
@@flamingsickle obviously you forgot about Darth Sion who was held together by his will and the force. The actual amount of time is undisclosed. Theoretically Anakin (Vader) could have willed it so long enough for Palatine to rescue him. The so called "fast and loose" would actually be attributed to unnecessary time not being included so that the audience doesn't get lost. What happened in 9 was a total disregard for the lore by Disney which was exibited in 7, 8, and Solo as well.
@@flamingsickle hyperspace lanes work in a way that makes many convenient writing opportunities, but with makes this particular instance of many ships arriving at the same time impossible. See, some lanes can take you very far in a short amount of time, whereas others could take a week to travel relatively little distance.
This is why they fought over hyper space shipping lanes in the clone wars and why wars seem so concentrated most of the time. Hyperspace lanes can be blockaded, and you don’t want to be the side that has to wait weeks for supplies and troops to get to the enemy when the enemy can get theirs to you in a few days.
Hyperspace is and always has been instant travel in Star Wars. Examples include in Episode 2, Anakin and Padme make it to Geonosis before Obi-Wan is executed. The Jedi make it there to save them, and Yoda goes to get the Clones and go to Geonosis before it's all over. In Episode 3, Obi-Wan, Padme, Anakin, and Palpatine all head to Mustafar in the time period..
@@flamingsickle It was well before Episode 3. Think about Everyone going to Geonosis in Ep 2. Yoda had to go to Kamino and then Geonosis.
i did NOT expect genuine constructive criticism like this in a video that i would thought was just about code cylinders ngl, honestly i think the one thing about the sequels is the lack of planning. if they just stuck with one director and a solid plan it wouldve atleast been salvagable through the shows. i absolutely love how you brought in the potential of an actual star war rather than one or two small skirmishes
Why not? Basically all videos on Disney Star Wars is nothing but constructive criticism and deconstructing plot writing.
@@zzodysseuszz a lot of people just kinda complain in the videos ngl. not many of them are formatted in such a professional way like this vid
well there is mauler
@@pants4337 what about mauler , also nice blobby pop , but the edits are better
No, it wouldn't have been. Abrams ruined the trilogy with 7, and if the second had a better director and pushed it into a good direction that would've been what saved it. JJ shouldn't have been involved. The only other save could've come from them using George's outline
I really like the idea of one big Star Destroyer with a death laser. They could change the plot to be more of a “hunt for the Bismarck” type of plot, while still containing palpatine and so on
Funny enough that exists in the old EU, it’s called the Eclipse.
@@panzerkorps2122 Funny enough, that was what half this video was about
@@BalderOdinson Yeah I realized that by now.
@Greg Elchert Orbital bombardments - you can do it in the game Rebellion / Supremacy (old PC game) and it pisses the galaxy off when you kill civilians / non-combat buildings, but sometimes its the best way to get a stubborn planet to flip.
And I love how we go from needing a 10 mile long ship to mount a super laser to just mounting one on the belly of an ISD-type ship. And then don't get me started on the stupid shield device... ONly one ship controls the shielding on *all* of them? A child could have come up with better ideas.
There are ruins of a Sith temple on Coruscant. Deep below the Jedi Temple from the prequels. Finding a language sample and have Rey’s vision could be in the same location.
Heeeyy...
That's pretty good.
@@brok56 There are planned episodes of TCW where Ahsoka explores these ruins. Check out the 2014 SW celebration TCW panel. They talk about what could have been.
This was how it happened in Colin Trevarrow's script actually. Granted, it was still a really bad script. Thing is, you can make great plot choices and still have a bad movie
Or if the eu was still canon, head to yavin 4. Those temples that the rebels used as a base are literally the ruins of ancient sith lord Naga sadow (until exar kun succeeded him) base. You can jam in a nostalgia reference and have a non stupid way of doing it.
There was a Dark force nexus - not sith temple below Jedi Temple..
The first issue with the sequels was Disney banishing the Legends sources, all the books and background built up by fans over the decades. Not only were they incredibly arrogant to dismiss such a vast body of work, but many times over considering the stupidity of what they came up with to replace it.
That was the first sign, discarding the entire canon. That reduces the movies to surface-level: does Bib Fortuna still have his name in the Disney universe? There's no way to tell what knowledge is still true in the rebooted version. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus I disagree, since this is a disingenuous perspective.
There was 'stupidity', 'foolishness' and 'idiocy' within the Expanded Universe also.
Individuals simply omit this from their praise of the Legends continuity.
Obviously there is a difference. The Sequel Trilogy are three firms with infinitely greater exposure. The Legends continuity consisted primarily of video games, comic series and novels.
Still your assertion that there's no way to tell if Fortuna has his name is slightly perplexing. Multimedia did not stop in 2014.
A quick search on Wookieepedia reveals there is one continuity which is now canonical, and one which is reffered to as Legends.
Disney, didn't banish the EU.
Lucasfilm discontinued it. It isn't canonical, however whats brilliant is that you do not need to defer to Lucasfilm here (yet you do) and reject that.
As this video demonstrates well, they even banish existing canon shown (but never really explained) in the original movies. There was so much opportunity to build on that.
Meh... Disney bought the Lucasfilm house for $4b... that doesn't mean they were obligated to keep every piece of wallpaper and carpeting George had installed over the previous 40 years. The EU didn't go anywhere, they are free to use chunks of it... if and when they see fit. Sure, Disney whizzed their additions to the franchise down their collective leg... but I have no problem with them not wanting to be beholden to some rando novel written in 1986.
17:45 I remember one of my favorite 'Tubers complaining about a similar event in a Call of Duty game where Russia invades every country simultaneously: "Now I've never invaded Europe, except that one time, but it seems like something you'd want to space out a bit."
I loved your commentary, particularly the segment regarding the ticking clock. It makes no sense to use this contrivance in the context of Star Wars. In the movie, the reborn Emperor's "Final Order" lasts for only . . . what, a few hours? Imagine there's some alien race somewhere in the galaxy that has a long sleep cycle. The inhabitants of that world settle down, the events of Episode IX occur, and they wake up.
"Hey, good morning. What did I miss?"
"The Emperor came back while you were sleeping. But he's dead again, no worries."
"Whoa, holy shit."
In the clip of the poor officer cringing away from Ren's lightsaber, it really looks like he has a couple of rank cylinders in special loops on his uniform. Which only makes the medalion thing that much weirder, even if thirty years have passed.
Abrams probably thinks those are actual pens
It could also just be that the Medalion is only a ship identifier
I loved the guy's laugh after he poured the wine on the tablecloth. Perfect impersonation of JJ and Rian
Rich Evans is famous for his laugh and nothing else. You absolutely should not look up "Dick the Birthday Boy" on Google. -S
Honestly, Rian more than JJ. JJ's first entry had potential, if it had been supported properly. Rian came said "Gee, that vague outline you've got looks real fuckin neato, J" and tossed it. And the lore. And the moral themes of Star Wars. After Rian's grubby hands got in, there was no recovering it. Every tantalizing question started in the first movie was cutoff or given the least satisfying answer ever, just to "subvert expectations." Of particular insult was the "your Snoke theory sucks"... thing. They were SOMETHING Rian, better than just giving nothing and killing him off so it doesn't matter anyway. JJ was required to tack a third movie onto a duology, JJ's second movie was going to be an "Aladdin 4: Jafar Might Need Glasses" (ref: ruclips.net/video/FLXmyau8Tmc/видео.html ) from the start.
@@BonesCapone well, I mean, it's Rian's whole thing to subvert expectations so yeah
Funniest thing ive seen in weeks
@@thenewgumby1665 At first I really liked it, but the more I look at the more I find issue with it. The first two had good ideas but poor executions, and the third was a feeble grab to tie together two conflicting visions that maybe could have been reconciled, but the two directors only ever accepted each other's vision when given no other choice. They went, my ideas better at each other, crushing anything they might have built on their own. They couldn't build anything up over the course of the movies because of that, so everything is an out of the blue mess.
Just an FYI, those are not writing pens in the original trilogy, they're radiation dosimeters. You clip one in your pocket and carry it around with you while working in a radioactive environment, such as a power plant or missile silo, and then at the end of your shift you use it to see how much cumulative radiation you've been exposed to. They're round to make them easy to plug into a charging socket.
In The Mandalorian, we actually do see one being used as an access key to a computer terminal. In the novels they were variously referred to as "rank cylinders" or "code cylinders" and basically were an electronic key officers used to log into computers, access restricted areas, prove their identity, etc. But, just like the stormtrooper helmets that don't filter out poison gas, the First Order takes things the Empire did and then implements them in the most retarded way possible.
It’s also seen in Rebels
@@alexcutionman4569 And it was one of the best episodes of that show.
look i'm not gonna tell you how to live your life but you can say every sentence you did about the idiocy of the rise of skywalker's plot construction without ending your ideas with "it's retarded" like a grade schooler trying to think of a stronger word for stupid that just so happens to insult every neurodivergent person in a 50 foot radius. i promise you, your vocabulary will thank you.
@@alexcutionman4569 Obi Wan Kenobi too
@@parkerdavis7859 Sorry, I didn't realize I was using a slur for your people. My apologies.
You can tell how much you're invested in the franchise when you can even track down the right clips from the movies to back up your explanations.
The Monty Python reference had me cracking up. “Our chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear are our two chief weapons. Surprise, fear, and ruthless efficiency.!”
4:03 I imagine the Imperial courier wearing a bandolier containing those pens around his body instead of putting them in his/her/its pockets.
Their** that’s a moment for a plural pronoun. Nowadays nobody seems to comprehend how they\them\theirs is actually used.
@@zzodysseuszz this is how you formally correct someone's error, well done
@zZOdysseus Zz right, though with druids sometimes pronouns can be it/its, so there is a technicality to the correction! Whichever vibes best, no?
@@zzodysseuszz Thank for the advise.
@@matthewegan5281 I would say it\its would fit Droids. But it would be a little complicated as they seem to have personalities and are referred to under male or female pronouns. Such as anakin calling artoo “little guy”
Another alternative for the C3PO is the HK series, the original HK47 was designed by Darth Revan himself, so it was probably programmed with sith language.
What if Anakin came across an old hk series language processor while he was building 3po on tattooine.
@@justindunlap1235 Now that could have been something. C3PO is erased to allow translation, only it is not a mere protocol droid they got. "Disgruntled reply: yes, mistress." Oh god, imagine HK applying his knowledge on how to kill Force users on Palpatine. Suddenly, C3PO's total lack of combat skills appears to have been intended by Anakin because the original personality of the processor was so kill-happy.
well the protocol droids, all of them have a databank containing the sith linguistic system in its entirety however the only ones who could unlock those were the jedi specifically through a specific pass code or a specific command so they can have any protocol droid translate sith text and to protect sith secrets from anyone who fell to the dark side of the force and try to restore the sith order
What if the HK programming is just in all the translator modules, like how DOS is still under Windows? 3PO thinks there's no such thing, because he has no programming hooks into it, but it's underlying his programming.
That would be a great excuse to brick him. "We're going to be hacking into some really old, really foundational software. No telling if we can get him back afterwards."
@@robertbeisert3315 it was sealed by republic order under republic laws and only a jedi could give a protocol droid authorization to translate sith be it through a pass code or phrase only kept by the jedi just in case sith super weapons or other secrets were found or even activated by accident
The Pens have been seen used several times, but only in the Animated shows like Star Wars Rebels (they called them code cylinders and used to unlock doors)
While also showing what all those ports normally do as in the movies and most game they are just R2D2 fodder.
I love your delivery and cadence. Simple and to the point it gets across how badly Disney bungled it all the better for it.
Nothing over dramatic just straight to the point
True, no need to go over the top like a ton of youtubers do. This kind of calmer delivery is much nicer to listen to.
Sounds like an AI generated voice to me. It’s a good one though. I agree with that.
This is exactly the kind of critique I crave for these movies. Please keep going!
Wonderful, that's what we're aiming for. Never found someone tackling these movies in quite the way I wanted to see, so it's time to make the series myself. -DZ
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The funny thing is that they had those cylinders but then decided to get rid of them for plot reasons
The Executor class was 19 kilometers in length, but still had considerably less chonk than the Eclipse class
I think he used the original length given for the executor class given in the first source books.
Get on with it. :D Just looking for such comment. If it was fine, we'd skip over three decades of fan debacles and what fun is it?
Looking at the shot from the Executor, it was nowhere under 10 kilometers. There are star destroyers visible and even if they are the smaller ones, you still can fit at least 10 of them in a row.
Imo this is one of the moments where you realize even the old trilogy wasn't without flaws.
Enjoyed the longer format, very well done!
We really appreciate it, good to hear. -DZ
It’s just so sad to know that episodes 7-9 are set in stone, and that they are beyond atrocious
The last First Order officer we see in the segment has four rank cylinders on his tunic. I think this makes your point even stronger.
Just discovered your channel, and let me say it is refreshing to find someone who is so well-versed in the Star Wars mythos and technical knowledge of the world. If you find anything it’s usually those that tend to hype up the spiritual elements a lot. I find the minute things like droid variants, imperial doctrine and systems, and weapon lineages to be quite fascinating. I’ll be sure to watch your career with *great* interest, fellow Legends enjoyer. ;3
They actually use Rank Cylinders (though they call them "Code Cylinders") in the Star Wars Rebels cartoon, and they work much the same way as you described them.
So the items are even canon in Disney's lore.
Look up the videos about "Ezra and Kallus infiltrate Thrawn's office" and "Framing Lyste for being Fulcrum" for relevant scenes.
Leland Chee has REALLY been dropping the ball. Or they just didn't bother talking to him. It all just feels like cosplay and roleplaying with these "creators". At least Andor actually feels like Star Wars, contrary to popular opinion. It doesn't follow the traditional story, nor does it include cameos and things we know, so I get that, but the production value really makes you feel like you're in the Star Wars universe.
Really great content! Keep up the good work!
Andor is the best Star Wars media in years. I absolutely loved Rogue One but Andor is second to none. That being said, Andor is pretty well liked, I'm pretty sure it's not an unpopular opinion to say it's good. It feels sort of like the first act or call to action of Luke Skywalker in A New Hope, except it keeps that tension for most of its run. I wasn't a super fan of the political intrigue stuff, though I liked all the spy stuff and for lack of a better term "heist" stuff. What an amazing show.
Something that takes place in the Star Wars universe doesn't have to follow the Lucas formula. A lot of the extended universe already proved that.
@@theothertonydutch If one watched more than 3 episodes of Andor, they liked it. The problem is that many people just didn't fucking watch the show because their attention spans are shorter than their dongs are. The only real problem with Andor is that episodes came out once a week so it took forever for the show to progress but individual episodes weren't bad or boring at all. In fact, I was really excited the entire way through.
@@skeptic_lemon Andor is the only Star Wars media that has had me excited and questioning what's going on and theory crafting what happens next on the show. It's the only one that has consistently kept me engaged. Not to disparage Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi, or any of the others too much, but They just don't pull me in as much. One of the things that pulls me in IS the politics because Star Wars politics is complex and interesting to watch unfold, at least to me.
Andor episode one was a bit slow and kinda bad but goddamn the rest of the show was so good lmao I was like "well I might as well watch it so I can get ideas for legion." And ended up binging the entire series in a day or two lmao
@@ShuTheIdiot I'll be completely real with you, I started watching episode one when it first aired but got bored like 20 minutes in. I was in a bad mind set at that time but I decided to revisit it and ended up binging it too lol. It's so gripping and mature. You just gotta get yourself through the little bit of muck first.
6:35 First Order Officer reporting to Kylo Ren. Wearing Imperial style code cylinders. DOH!!
The Homeworld music in the back-round, such nostalgia.
The general public isn't interested in "Talking" or "Tactics" etc.. todays directors assume the people want action almost non stop, that's what made the older movies so good, a slow pace.. but at just the right pace.. action when necessary.
That plays a huge part in why we feel so nostalgic to these older movies.. and I'm not just talking star wars.
The Ticking Clock as you described, was a great example.
I have another suggestion for the sith language. Since we know siths existed during the prequel era it would be possible that c3po had it added. Sya maybe Anakin added the 6 million languages originally but during the clone wars had padme upgrade him to understand sith. Say this language wasnt in his main data base. The person resetting his memory would then not know to wipe this. Instead maybe she just turned it off or something (this idea need fixing yes, but could work). R2D2 would then know that 3po secretly knew this. Maybe the gang can't install it but guess who can. FRICK. keeps the character, uses prequel knowledge. Works great but needs some fixes. Great video btw
Nice idea, but generally when you wipe a computer, you don't have to find any specific file to delete. You just remove anything that's not default.
actually the databank containing the sith language is in all protocol droids and the only ones authorized to access it were jedi officials during the republic era. this was so if they had to investigate a sith super weapon or if the sith order were to be revived they could have a means to investigate it. its likely that the protocol droids probably needed a specific pass phrase to unlock the data base. C3P0 said that the files for the sith language were sealed by republic officials by a republic order for the suppression of sith languages (this is the 2nd republic the one in the prequals) its logical to assume that only jedi could access the language which is logical if the jedi (who are not trained to read sith) need assistence if say a sith super weapon is activated or if the sith were being revived by someone who's fallen to the dark side (or if an object containing a sith vestage is found and the sith vestage possesses someone like the incident with the vestage of Darth momin)
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Fun fact: Cybot Galactica canonically sued Industrial Automaton for copyright infringement over the LOM series.
I watch a lot of RUclips but this is probably my new favorite RUclips series. I love everything about this video. The minute dissection of a ballpoint pen to then references the original source material. And I love the clever solution to a plot contrivance.
I think the medallion could’ve worked had they actually put effort into it. It could’ve been a modern upgrade or whatever. Also I’m sure I’ve seen code cylinders used in the animated series somewhere many times.
I kind of assumed the whole medallion thing came from the First Order's desire to NOT be the Empire and their penchant for changing everything.
All they had to do was make them magnetically attached to the uniform, and the base holder had to be within a certain distance, much like an NFC chip. So not only would they need the medallion, but the base it was coded to.
Ok, correction.
The Executor-class Star Dreadnought (the original super star destroyer) is 18km long, not 8km. The Mandator II Dreadnought, a similar but older design from the Clone Wars, was 8km long. This actually means that the Executor-class is longer than the _Eclipse,_ but it only has a quarter of the bulk.
Yep, a moments thought, by anyone involved, that's all it would have taken. Yet that is more than they bothered to give us. JJ is actually incredibly stupid, change my mind.
Going into this movie, I was determined to give JJ all the chances he deserved. A couple of minutes in, I noticed the camera was always moving. It didn't stay still for two seconds in a row, until two hours in. That'd be weird even if everything else was acceptable. -DZ
And Rian Johnson is even worse.
@@TheFirstCurse1not really, given most of the issues with 8 stemmed from the issues of 7. Like Luke, what better explanation is there, not only for his absence but also for his allowing Han to die? Allowing multiple worlds to be destroyed? There isn't a better one imo. That's just one example. I get why Johnson is hated but JJ is far worse
Another solution for C-3PO could have been an old HK series droid, which was around during the Sith Empire and most likely would have known Sith. We know that droids are often recycled, especially battle droids, so maybe a droid stuck in a warehouse didn’t have its memory wiped and they use that. Would be a neat little Easter egg for fans. Wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense, but would have been better than what was originally in there.
It would potentially be interesting if 3PO's "Die, Jedi Dogs!" line from AotC was retconned into a hint of this reality
"First Order Captain's Medallion" might as well have the same gravitas as "Insane Nazi Captain's Pendant."
also nice use of Homeworld OST
Praised be the algorithm, this excellent!
In defense of the "Captain's token", I can imagine that as the Imperial Remnant evolved into the first order, they probably had to deal with a lot of hacking and sabotage via those who were no longer loyal to The Empire. Those cylinders were made by somebody and some of those somebodies were probably more than willing to sell a few illegal cylinders to any rebel (now new republic), criminal, or nerfherder with enough credits. Switching to a completely different security system would have seemed a good idea.
Hell March as the background music?
You've got my attention.
on the whole sith language thing.
I actually think it makes a lot of sense.
so I could actually understand old republic compatible parts having sith language but having it restricted. C3PO is cannonically made from scrap parts, meaning older parts.
so it could be that "tran-lang 2 model A" which is a compatible part from the old republic has Sith hard coded onto it but has been incripted lock, with a protocol to contact the nearest authorities for reason of tampering and espionage. the reason for its continued existence and ownership is because in the middle republic era it didn't make any sense to remove it as anyone investigating Sith was either a Sith hold out, or was already a licensed historian. the Hutts would have wanted to continue this tradition, because corruption, but also because they too feared the Sith empire, and its remnants.
the other thing to keep in mind is that the public view of the Sith, was as a totalitarian and warlike species based empire on a botched peaceful emmesarry mission became a galactic menace. they associate the Jedi, not the Sith order, with instigating the indecent as they wildly spread through the Galaxy and plyed their trade, often in strange and misunderstood ways.
the Jedi Order was established from the Jedi council to prevent rouge Jedi from running free and causing problems. they view the rouge Jedi of the sith empire as just that, rouge Jedi. that even though the council banished them it was determined that the only solution to the dark-force tendency to become violent and destructive was to "quite" them to the force. the early Jedi order was Very hated by the republic, but allowed to continue because their abilities made them too dangerous to directly confront and their peaceful nature was a direct benefit to the state both in pacification of force sensitives but also in diplomacy. this was the reason most Jedi never "left the order" that is to say they rarely left their sanctioned spaces where the republic held them to little scrutiny.
so hiding Sith from the public and having such a protocol was an anti-propaganda move by the republic. reinforced by the Jedi, it is known that there is of little value of sith artifacts except to either be left alone, or prostrated in museums as a token of truth to the national epic of the republic. as for the keeping of the protocol, there are legitimate reasons for knowing sith as shown and it could have been that you need a license to activate the protocol without having your life endangered.
so C3PO having sith preloaded and encripted, actually has some president. the extension is palpatine may have more strictly enforced this, and the new republic continued this because of palpatine himself. this all centered on the innate fear the republic/empire has on Sith propaganda.
a close analogy is McCarthyism and the red scare.
on thing i wondered about was that secret path to exogol looked like a horror to fly through and i thought it'd destroy the heroes. when the motley fleet of good guys showed up i was amazed they all survived that harrowing trip....and how many would die returning home, and would the evil fleet have troubles leaving too?
I don't think anyone knew what was going on with that plot point. I would accept "it's in a nebula", but this seemed more like a space roadblock. It looked like one red cloud over to the side, not surrounding the whole star system for light-years in every direction. -DZ
They could just go around it. It's just a big red cloud thing in the middle of deep space, there's no need to go through it, yet some still chose to.
This video is so underrated. I would love to see more of this format
The code cylinders worn by Imperial officers (Original Trilogy)were small pen-like radiation dosimeters.
"The Hitch Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy is a very unevenly edited book and contains many passages that simply seemed to its editors like a good idea at the time.
One of these (the one Arthur now came across) supposedly relates the experiences of one Veet Voojagig, a quiet young student at the University of Maximegalon, who pursued a brilliant academic career studying ancient philology, transformational ethics and the wave harmonic theory of historical perception, and then, after a night of drinking Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters with Zaphod Beeblebrox, became increasingly obsessed with the problem of what had happened to all the biros he’d bought over the past few years.
There followed a long period of painstaking research during which he visited all the major centres of biro loss throughout the galaxy and eventually came up with a quaint little theory which quite caught the public imagination at the time. Somewhere in the cosmos, he said, along with all the planets inhabited by humanoids, reptiloids, fishoids, walking treeoids and superintelligent shades of the colour blue, there was also a planet entirely given over to biro life forms. And it was to this planet that unattended biros would make their way, slipping away quietly through wormholes in space to a world where they knew they could enjoy a uniquely biroid lifestyle, responding to highly biro-oriented stimuli, and generally leading the biro equivalent of the good life.
And as theories go this was all very fine and pleasant until Veet Voojagig suddenly claimed to have found this planet, and to have worked there for a while driving a limousine for a family of cheap green retractables, whereupon he was taken away, locked up, wrote a book, and was finally sent into tax exile, which is the usual fate reserved for those who are determined to make a fool of themselves in public.
When one day an expedition was sent to the spatial coordinates that Voojagig had claimed for this planet they discovered only a small asteroid inhabited by a solitary old man who claimed repeatedly that nothing was true, though he was later discovered to be lying.
There did, however, remain the question of both the mysterious 60,000 Altairan dollars paid yearly into his Brantisvogan bank account, and of course Zaphod Beeblebrox’s highly profitable second-hand biro business."
What did I just read?
Besides the quality and the point of content, I so appreciate the Homeworld soundtrack on the background! I think it deserves more frequent appearing on the YT.
When c3po says Taking one last look at my friends, i laughed then cried, laughed again, threw up, passed out, woke up, force choked myself until i passed out again, by the time i came to, the movie was over... worth it.
I farted.
@@TheEndOfNowhere the farts are strong with this one
Kinda overkill don’t you think
I wanted R2 to restore 3PO's memory from the very beginning. A true friend would have. Wiping his memory was an injustice. Can you imagine C-3PO with the wisdom of his actual age (like 50ish years, I'm guessing)? I always hated that the one of the characters who had been through it all was always treated with such disdain. C-3PO had seen the fall of two galactic government systems before Poe was spared from being a stain on one of Kes Dameron's socks. Who does he think he is, treating C-3PO like that? He's second generation military. He should know better. Don't disrespect those who have skills you don't, especially if you are relying on them to get where you're going next. I lost all respect for Dameron after Rise of Abrams--I mean Skywalker.
Sir, your ideas are higher grade than the ones that sequel writers generated. Great movies could you make!
That's like the lowest bar possible. You're really not complimenting him much with this.
Teach me more wisdom. I didn't even know I needed it. @@TheFirstCurse1
The saddest thing about the removal of the rank cylinders is the removal of their historical significance, During the Cultural Revolution in China the communist party removed rank insignia in the Chinese military, This incredibly stupid idea meant that nobody knew the rank of others, So officers started to wear ballpoint pens in their pockets to signify rank. More ballpoint = higher rank, They kept doing this for a few months until the communist party came to their senses and reinstated ranks signifiers.
Lucas directly referenced this historical oddity with the rank cylinders in 1977.
Didnt the Geonosians initially design the Death Star? Also interesting to note, the idea of multiple Death Stars comes from the original draft for VI; there’s even McQuarrie concept art (although obviously it was good they didn’t go with that)
I don't think that they designed it, but they built most of it over Geonosis. Star Wars Rebels goes into this.
I'm almost certain they were only given the blueprints and told to build it by Dooku. The Death Star looks like nothing even remotely Geonosian.
Your explanations over the past three videos about the little details of the SW universe makes me want to start up another tabletop adventure. There's just so much to explore and so much story telling potential. Thanks!
The Kennedy speaking 30 seconds in was chilling, with hindsight.
I have always had friends who read the novels, comic books and ship/lore encyclopedias who always left me confused with their explanations (despite having watched the original trilogy in theatres and DVDs 100s of times). This video was great because it was informative and fun, with the added bonus of being able to rewind and pause.
In the cartoon Star Wars Rebels their name was changed to code cylinders, and they perform the same function
Hitting JJ with Jar Jar qoutes. That's cold
Does this mean that Anne Frank’s journal exists in the SW universe?
Well it didn’t in ours at least not when she was actually alive lol
Haven't finished the video yet, but I love that you used Homeworld (1999) music.
Star Wars Rebels, which I really enjoyed even though it was more kid-friendly, calls them code cylinders which is close enough, and actually demonstrates their use several times. Agent Kallis (sp?) steals one to use it to implicate another officer, which shouldn't be easy to do but he's an ISB agent (Imperial Security Bureau) so he knows all the tricks.
It's two-factor authentication, three-factor if there's a biometric component. Also logs everything you do, so if you do access materials that you technically have permission to access but it's questionable why you would want to, they can find out later in an investigation if something happens.
Rebels is the perfect balance of something "for kids" and take it serious
@@yurigoncalves9861 I agree, it's probably the best Star Wars thing that Disney is ever going to make.
Is that... bro even at that volume I recognize music from Homeworld! Lit!
Would explain a brief trip to say Wayland and a former Imperial base where the Emperor stayed a while and thus had a limited collection of Sith artefacts and books which could be used to triangulate the coordinates imedded on the artefact they have.
Simply running a search on the gibberish might reveal its actual name as the Wayland computer logs may have a listing given the genetic cloning done at both places after all.
Sorry I agree this could be easily rectified in episode 7 keep Poe around so Rey doesn't end up having to do everything and thus was less of a Mary Rey.
In 8 reveal Holdo was New Republic and Resistance explaining her animosity to Poe and reveal there's a traitor onboard and they need to send a team to Canto Bight to discover exactly how the First Order is tracking them.
Then reveal the Empire and then the New Republic started tagging ships with a beacon they can keep tabs on as the New Republic didn't want a Rebel Alliance forming against them despite their actions forcing Han to return to smuggling to acquire ships that aren't tagged so the Resistance can avoid being tracked.
Which then explains why Holdo was sent after Leia to bring her back to Hosnian Prime they just ran out of time so wasn't present when Starkilled Base blew up Hosnian Prime.
Make the New Republic more of an enemy to the Resistance as Snoke loyalists were effectively taking over behind the scenes so all Snoke needed was to blow up the capital and his pawns would assume control as they wasn't present when the capital was blown up.
Sorry really have problems with the ST.
This vid reminds me of how much I used to adore learning about every possible detail these movies had to offer.
I collected every scrap of paper or plastic I could find about these movies as a kid.
I was like a movie archeologist. this was back before the ramp up of kerch preceeding the prequels. After the prequels it was impossible to keep up collecting.
I hate having to despise something I once loved so much.
um actually pretty sure they are vapes, Tarkin has 4 cause 2 are 2 nic flavors and 2 are THC flavors
Tarkin has the deathstar do a 360° no scope while taking a rip with all 4 of them
Hellmarch C&C RA soundtrack in the intro gave me a hit of nostalgia!
Great video, would love to see more like this
The Rebels show clearly showed that you could easily steal a rank cylinder to do low security stuff (almost) everywhere. That seems to be a major difference to other sources and basically dumbs it down to a personalised key. Which would still work, get a key from someone with access to where you want, and unless someone verifies your identity against the key, you're golden
nobody expects the imperial inquisition.............................................
Funny to see how the humble chalk holder became the basis for iconic props. Some of the code cylinders used throughout the movies are based on aluminum chalk holders. A slightly different style was used as the main body piece for the Tenth Doctor's sonic screwdriver.
Excellent series! Loved every episode
I only noticed the pens in the arm of the X-wing pilot costume for the first time and thought about this video. How can I have never recognised them in almost 50 years? That's great costume design, right there.
i loved the license key plot point issue you talked about, hilarious. first time viewer, but you got a sub from me
I stumbled across this and I'm happy with the results.
Subscribed
Do you ned a protocol droid that can translate the old sith language, why not use an old HK-Assassin Droid.
Heck maybe you can have a refference to hk47, where c3po momentarily calls the humans "meatbag" before profusely apologizing to them for a momentary "personality glitch"
They are not dongles; they are screwdrivers.
_Tonic_ screwdrivers. For that refreshing break after a particularly hard day, having blown up a planet of peaceable inhabitants.
This guy just showed more Star Wars knowledgeability in the first five minutes of this video than the past three movies did combined. 😂 kudos!
The rank cylinder is like a modern day military CAC card. The id card all military personnel have that carries biometric data, security clearances, and serves to identify the service member. To use one with a CAC enabled computer system though, you still need a password. Disney Wars data discs is like having a smart phone, with all your personal and private opens open and logged into, with no security on the phone.
Use pens for system control.
0:35 "really we built this thing and now we have to tear it down", couldnt have summed up the sequels better myself.
Keep up the good work, your voice and content are excellent!
I originally though the Captains Medallion was something like a letter that a general could have given you so you could move past different check points to go someplace (mainly thinking of Liberty’s Kids, but I do recall it having happened quite a few times throughout history).
A great example of star wars writers not knowing their own lore.
Those blue and red square on the officers uniforms ARE NOT medals but the actual ranks of the officers.
The bit with 3p0 getting wiped could have had a heartwarming bit where they need to reset him, and want to back up his personality. But 3p0 doesn't want some random stranger ripping out his mind and soul, but instead the only entity that he trusts: that stupid, reckless, insolent astromech, R2D2.
Because while they are always together, 3p0 never actually says he likes R2D2, and I think that it would be nice to see that 3p0 really does trust him with his life
If you haven't already seen it, you must watch "How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was saved in the edit (sort of, but not really)", it is the greatest star wars video I've ever seen
An alternative "protocol" droid that WOULD have sith knowledge:
The HK series.
Very interesting. I am glad I stumbled on to this. Personally, I would have went a very different direction than Mr Abrams did. I enjoy this sort of, "how could it have played with in the existing rules" discussion.
As this says it's part 3, I would like to have seen a link to part 1 and part 2 in the description.
Thanks for taking the time to make this and for sharing it.
During the Clone Wars, all droids used by the republic are supposed to have their memories wiped, to prevent leak of information in the off chance the enemy gets ahold of them. C3PO had his memory wiped several times.
R2D2 however, being more reliable an allie, only had his memory wiped once, and that was only concerning a specific time frame (can't remember which clone wars episode it was). Other than that, Anakin didn't want to lose his most reliable buddy. Due to the lack of the memory wipe, is why R2D2 has such a strong personality for an astromech droid.
The Command and Conquer music was a nice touch
As I recall, the reason 3PO could understand the Ewoks was that their language is a close relative to the language of another species that inhabit the Forest Moon, and whom are more common to find in the wider galaxy. Those furry long limbed guys with the weird noses... Ummm... The Yuzum I think?
They added a CGI singer of that species to Jabba's palace in the remastered version of RotJ.
5:58 it’s almost like the person coming up with these ideas back then actually cared about what they were making (that can’t be right I mean who would actually care about their work when they could be spending their time destroying something people love) and it wasn’t just a case of “”we need a way for our hero’s to get past the thing we wrote that they can’t get past””
every single frame of daisy ridley's face in this movie is just incredible
I have to say that the title is terrific. I couldn't help but choose to watch the video - and I wasn't disappointed.
Working on droids must be like working on a gundam for that tiny mechanic
They should have shown him fighting in an old super battle droid he converted to a Gundam.
4:05 A very important Imperial courier must have a bandolier for all his Rank Cylinders...
0:30, she is referring to the Disney push to destroy any semblance of Heroes within any and all media they control.
Ahhh the eclipse my beloved. Honestly palpatines commitment to super lasers is truly something beautiful
The rank cylinders are actually old surplus dosimeters. You can still get these by the way. Making it even worse, because getting screen accurate props would have needed nothing more that a scroll down ebay or a stroll down to the next old military surplus store.