When is a 3PO not a 3PO? | Star Wars LOREBREAKER
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- Threepio was a 3PO. Until he wasn't.
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00:00 The 3PO That Wasn't
15:22 Outro 
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It baffles me that when looking at TC-14 being a Silver, Female copy of C-3PO, whoever handled the newer lore books decided that there is now an entire line of Female Droids that look identical to C-3PO instead of simply saying "there are voicebox options"
Ignoring the older books that you mentioned get contradicted by this new information, it would've been way simpler to just say that the voice is customizable like the outer shell is. Why make an entire new series of Droids simply because the voice is different? Especially when it is literally a recolor, no unique body parts or a different head. Hell, giving TC-14 some kind of "hair" would make it unique enough to argue that it's part of a different series.
I think that this criticism is nonsense though. The older source material didn't have the context of the Prequel Trilogy or any of the years before it, the stories prior to Episode 1 contradict George's vision in a lot of ways. If we know that the 3PO series is a pretty bog standard translator model and we also know that it was created a while prior to Anakin's birth, we'd expect that the Tranlang model would be lower than it was in the Original Trilogy just by common sense. It also makes sense for the Trade Federation to be using luxury models with advanced state-of-the-art hardware, and the lore *does* explain that the TC was a special advanced model.
@@tk-6967 I would say a droid has whatever voice you pick from the dropdown menu during initial setup.
The droid Anakin built was a homebrew, like building your own gaming PC instead of buying an Alienware. You can't say your PC is an Alienware, but you can say it has the same CPU and video card as a given Alienware. And many homebrews out perform many commercial gaming rigs, so it's not a quality thing.
it has kenedies greasy finger prints all over it
@@lupaswolfshead9971 Well it has nothing to do with her or Disney. Good god people are always looking for a reason to shit on them. We get it, Disney bad, but stop bringing them into everything.
i never mentioned disney and kennedy has been with lucas film right from the start. Oh god you disney /kennedy arsekissers always have to jump to their defence shitting on any negative criticism of them .we get it starwars fans bad, but stop bringing them into everything.@@tk-6967
As someone who's been writing a Warhammer 40k Only War campaign I can say with 100% confidence that I understand your need to make this video about a small detail that ultimately doesn't matter and about 10 people would even even remember.
As someone who spent years compiling various lore titbits into coherent, as non-contradictory as I can wiggle within the boundary of the army books and White Dwarf articles for both 40K and Fantasy, I can confidently tell you that more people need to do this, all the time.
@@lcmiracle I'm glad I'm not the only one
I will proudly be one of the 10 people🫡
When expanded universe lore is taken more seriously than the Maker's lore....
What exactly does it mean to write a War Hammer 40k Only War Campaign? Sounds interesting.
I always figured tc-14 called itself that because that's part of its serial number just later down the line. The hero C-3P0 is calling himself that because that's what Anakin called him, so that's what he introduces himself as.
this is probably the correct interpritation tbh
yeah, same, I always thought that those were serial numbers or identificators of some kind, not model numbers.
the TC series is just the newer version of the 100 year old 3PO series just with new computing hardware and software though the base designs such as the micro hydraulic pistons for movement rather than the micro servo motors newer droids possess. most droids with micro hydraulic pistons for movement are either an old model of droid or they're a remake of an old model of droid
Other 3POs probably find R2 and 3PO exceptionally snooty for using the universal start of their model number
I work in engineering manufacturing and we have multiple names for the same product, and internal and external name. 3PO could simply be an internal name, given for all 3PO droids, while the TC-14 is the name that customers use. This could explain why there are multiple TC-XXX droid names while all are considered 3PO
We can change the names of our wifi, computers, phones, and virtual characters. We can change the voice on the GPS in the car or the assistant on the phone. The answer that changes nothing in the lore is that when the Traid Federation received its protocol droids, the IT dept plugged them in and configured and "named" to corporate standards. T (Traid Federation), C (C3PO or something), 14 (shorthand for the droids long serial number). We have droids with real names (Chopper, Mr. Bones), and when you played Pokémon as a kid you probably had a Charmander named "Charmander".
I thought this blue milk mustache was going to be permanent.
We know the Trade Federation is large. Like insanely large. So if they ordered 10 million protocol droids, it's feasible that the manufacturer did a lot to please such a huge customer. Which might include changes to the default design that warrant a different model number.
The T to represent the federation might indeed mean exactly that.
There is a canonical precedent for droids using only part of their serial number as their name. AZI-3 in clone wars full designation is AZI-345211896246498721347. Its pretty easy to imagine that all other droids have similarly long-winded and unique identifying codes, that they choose a short section of for organics to use as their name
Many of them use nicknames as well. Reminds me of how some cultures have very long official names, but simply pick out a nickname for the sake of brevity.
But the clone wars isn't canon to a lot of that other material
@@timewarpdrive77 I'm not sure. Clone Wars sits in a unique sort of weird, limbo state where it exists both legends and canon at the same time, since it came out both before and after Disney got their hands on it.
That said I'm in favour of just running with your own head-canon, and picking and choosing what works for you. There's good bits and bad bits to both continuities, and plenty to choose from, so just pick your favourites
@@WickerJig The thing is that, even though TCW was released during the time of the EU, it doesn't really fit with any of it.. Safer to just quarantine it in the new canon.
Luckily, this is one of those cases where TCW uses existing lore instead of overwriting it. It's always been obvious that there are more droids in the galaxy than there are names, so this explanation may have existed in the WEG sourcebooks or the original Essential Guide series.
At the moment, I have the New EG to Droids open for research. This book expands on something we knew from the TPM Visual Dictionary. As seen in the movie, B1 battle droids have a set of numbers printed on their back, an ID code. "Names such as [OOM-9 and 3B3], usually applied by technicians, are shortened versions of the string of identification code unique to each droid." -DZ
The TC-Series makes more sense as a C-Series under license. It's the same thing made by a different company
One thing that went unmentioned is that C-3PO got assembled by Anakin from scrap parts, so we don't really know how much he conforms with standard 3PO units. Like his Droid brain is that of C-3PO, wich makes him think he is in fact C-3PO but the rest of his parts could very well be all over the place.
Exactly 💯 I was wondering why the channel author didn't mention the fact that "C-3P0" was kitbashed in Anakin's spare time from the junk/scrap parts he was able to find. Heck C-3P0 could actually be an IG or HK model that was repurposed and made to look like a "protocol droid" by young Annie 😂😂
Perhaps adult Anakin switched out all the junk parts to make 3PO a purely Protocall Droid. 😆
Anakin building C-3PO is an unnecessary retcon that contradicts all previous lore and should be discarded just like the junk entries addressed in this video and the Greedo shooting first retcon.
@@brianwhite8465 While Greedo shooting first is a RETCON, Young Anakin building C-3P0 is NOT.
A RETCON is when things have been altered from their original (like the original trilogy being 'remastered' by George Lucas) and changes the original story. Anakin building C-3P0, while widely regarded as a dumb way to create his origin, does NOT alter previously established facts. In the original trilogy, very little was established to C-3P0's backstory before the events of A NEW HOPE.
@strongblade makes a good point. Before the prequels, what we knew about Threepio was that he's a Cybot Galactica 3PO model, his first job was programming binary loadlifters, and his last master was Captain Antilles. This was clearly intended as a gap in our knowledge, an area of history that we don't know about: just like the Clone Wars. Because so much room was set aside, it left space for the prequels.
We don't know about C-3PO's life between leaving the factory and ending up as a husk on Tatooine. His early decades still haven't been documented, as far as I know. The biggest retcon I can think of is his memory wipe at the end of RotS. If C-3PO had his memory erased, he couldn't remember his first job being binary loadlifters. As far as Threepio would know, he had only ever belonged to Antilles aboard the Tantive IV. Which would mean that suddenly, he had lied to Owen Lars. -DZ
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In ANH, R5-D4 is referred to as an "R2 unit" by Luke. I always just assumed some of these things were just designators for a wider scope of variation within the same model. Like a Ford F150 with different trim levels.
I equate it something like the Sprinter Van…. Which was also sold by Dodge as a Dodge Ram Van …. And by Freightliner by a third name….
Or the Dodge Aries that was also sold as a Plymouth Reliant ….. in the first example people just referred them as Spinter and the second example as K Cars…..
exactly the R2 unit is a production line like the 3PO series. all were built on that trusty familiar look and design but the internal parts were much newer
From what I've seen, the R2 model was quite popular, but expensive. One could guess there were a lot of them made. Enough that the model became a generic name for all astromech droids of that design. And the R5 hints at a later model from the same series.
The one thing that kinda messes with this all the way from legacy lore is the assumption that the droids introduce themselves with their model number. The way each droid introduces themselves it sounds a lot more like it's a unique serial code assigned by the owner or manufacturer. If you've ever seen IT in a big company every deceive is uniquely named based on some internal naming scheme so they can be tracked and faults correctly identified.
If they hadn't already chained themselves to droids using their model as their name, the difference in naming could have easily been chalked up to the Alderan government and the trade federation using different naming conventions, and both droids are from the same production line.
Luke calls R2-D2 and "R2 unit." So it's not like they just made it up to make their life harder.
@@user-yq9im9dk9z My point is that it's immediately set a precedent that's difficult to move away from in extended lore. Lucas made that mistake, but it wouldn't have been impossible to clarify better in extended works.
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I can't get over how this channel is seemingly tailor-made for minutiae-obsessed Star Wars nerds like myself. I like how you're not afraid to discard lore that doesn't make sense, regardless of how "official" it is.
Kudos for mentioning the J9, one of my favorite Star Wars droids. I've always liked the backstory about its Verpine creators not knowing how to market their protocol droid model to non-insectoid customers, resulting in it being sold at massive discounts and often being misused as a labor droid when people took the "worker drone" moniker literally. In all honesty a TranLang II-equipped protocol droid is probably still quite the capable diplomat. One million different languages is likely sufficient to cover the vast majority of major and minor dialects in the Core, Mid Rim and higher profile Outer Rim worlds.
Thank you, and I could not agree more. The J9 is a perfectly adequate translator, and it made a strong impression on me. Now you mention it, the story of the J9 has to be why I love the Verpine so much. I've always thought 8D8 looked fantastic, but I only found out this year that the J9 appears in the movie. The worker drone took me by surprise when reading the book, such a compelling backstory. Much like the PD Lurrian and LOM, which I'm also fond of. -DZ
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also, I have not yet read the books, but a logical thing for me would be:
the full name for TC-14 could be TC-3P0-14[numbers]. the trade federation having multiple 3P0, they chose to name it by the model modification (TC) and part of the discriminant (14)
anakin's droid is also based on a TC-3P0, however, when building it little annie did not want to use its serial number, prefering to shorten it to C-3P0 (or 3P0).
or, it could even be that TC modifications of 3P0 and C modifications are different (the C could stand for Casing modification and the T for another type of mod. maybe the language one. it's common in real world to append letters to differentiate the variations in the same model (just look at processors or graphics cards).
tldr; might be same model (3P0) but different modification (TC vs C)
Part of the pre-prequel (1999) description of the 3PO does line up with this. In the time of the New Republic, Threepio's manufacturer created a new model of protocol droid called the C-series. These are officially not based on C-3PO, but we all know that's probably a lie. The model numbers go from C-1 to C-9, so it's hard to imagine what names an individual might have. Droids usually only have one hyphen, which limits the options. -DZ
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Star Wars needs to get a hold of the guys who write all the lore for Gundam's hundreds of unit designations and histories.
Hello boyos. Glad to see you guys uploaded another thought provoking video
Here's a thought/question hybrid. Did you at any point notice how incredibly similar you are to a high quality 3po Droid? No meat based entities I know besides you can teach a management Droid a thing or three about logistics while simultaneously translating wookie.
ive always seen him as custom made!
he was put together by a 9 year old
right! pretty smart kid wonder who he was :D @@somefishs7274
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apparently my starwars book was from 1999 a while before i was born
Female 3po's happen when one part is missing ... The logic and reasoning core
I've always thought that because Anakin assembled C3PO, it's very likely that C3PO was bodged together with whatever parts were on hand to a slave kid. Because of that, C3PO really should be considered a one-off, at least until C3PO is brought to an maintainence shop stocked with actual OEM parts.
You have to remember C3PO was custom made, sometimes using spare parts that could be found, so maybe he does have some parts from different models of protocol droids, he's not an off the shelf model.
as always, your videos are an absolute treat
haven't seen anybody mention yet that threepio received his gold plating when he became Amidala's personal protocol droid between episodes ii and iii. this would have been when his voice was changed if it were true that this was tied to political service.
This complaint doesn't make that much sense. Of course older source books prior to the Prequel films named 3PO as a 3PO series - they had no idea what his backstory was at that point outside of his service as a diplomat translator droid! You are acting as though the Prequels themselves do not affect the lore, but they do. The fact that C3PO was built from scratch by Anakin changed *everything* we knew about him. It would actually make less sense for him to just be a 3PO series droid because it would be really odd to find all the exact parts to make a correct 3PO series droid just lying around in a junk pile.
This is a nothing burger; it doesn't say he's not a 3po, just that anakin used various parts when repairing 3po
I always thought the TC-14 used a female voice only so the audience knew that it wasn't C3P0. LOL
Well if the color and plating is interchangeable then the eye color and voice must be as well. 😁
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I figure it's more like a "C + #" designation, with a modifier on one end and a model number extension on the other. So TC-14 would be a C-14 at its core, and C-3PO would be a C-3 at his core.
Love your videos i have been binging them this universe of Star Wars is my hyper fixation and I love that you can make all the Lord makes sense because it hurts a lot when things are contradictory
There is one singular instance of Femine 3PO Programming I found in the originals.
C-3PO was cursed at in The Empire Strikes back, by a feminine droid. It was barely there, but the E-Chuta was not spoked by a male actor.
"E-Chuta."
"How rude!"
*Beep Whistle*
"Oh my? Was that an R2-Unit?"
"Oh, my, I'm terribly sorry to, no no wait, please don't get up! No!"
*Soft, confused Wookiee Growl*
3PO is not a 3PO?
Correct. He was built by a (gifted) child in a closet and may not have all the correct parts to be classed as a proper 3PO.
(Edit) the correct parts may have been added down the line. I'm not up to date on most of the lore.
It's been established/reconned that Threepio had a life of governmental service that perhaps went back decades before he fell into disrepair, only for Anakin to rebuild him. So it's less that Anakin built Threepio but more that he repaired and possibly upgraded him.
Some times writers try to explain things that didn't need explaining and that tends to cause problems and contradictory information.
I think that his criticism is nonsense though. The older source material didn't have the context of the Prequel Trilogy or any of the years before it, the stories prior to Episode 1 contradict George's vision in a lot of ways. If we know that the 3PO series is a pretty bog standard translator model and we also know that it was created a while prior to Anakin's birth, we'd expect that the Tranlang model would be lower than it was in the Original Trilogy just by common sense. It also makes sense for the Trade Federation to be using luxury models with advanced state-of-the-art hardware, and the lore *does* explain that the TC was a special advanced model.
So, I'm glad you showed that, I still have that thing, and I now know I need to hi res scan the entire book for digital preservation....albeit, it was mine, and uh, 1999 was a while ago, if you catch my meaning.
9:27 99 it took me a second, I wasn't expecting a get smart reference in a video about star wars lore
“C-3p0 did some time in a Jawa sand crawler” man, c-3p0 is just straight up made entirely out of spare scrap parts that anakin painstakingly salvaged from literal junk, the fact that he can even be classified as a factory model droid is baffling
I never thought of this before, but I could see the different name for different market places. Similar to how cars are named differently when being sold in different countries. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
I could imagine the TC- series as a marketing variation, like GM cars, where its re-named and re-badged and given something to distinguish it (like say having a feminine default voice) then sold to a different market by a 'different' company
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i always assumed as a kid that protocol droids have different designated names just like the astromech droids like R2-D2 and R4-P17 and R5-D4.
C-3PO is basically the droid version of Johnny Cash's Cadillac from the 'one piece at a time' song
Fascinating as always.
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I always thought that the TC series was an up-modified 3PO, with enhanced "intuitive" or deductive processes, hence why TC-14 was able to accurately surmise that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were Jedi.
One thing I'd disagree with...the 3PO line had *both* the TranLang II *and* III, depending on when the unit was made...most likely the III was initially the 'Nvidia 40xx upgrade' of the line, more often seen in use by the wealthy (like, say, Hutt ganglords and Trade Federation higher-ups), then later made a standard component.
I can change my Google Nest from male to female with a single command. There's no reason to think you can't also change the voice in a 3PO model.
0:33 watch ne roll up to the cantina with my RGB protocol droid
I keep telling you people, your droids will have to wait outside! We don't serve their kind here. Not after that time I got a pint of grease mixed up with the Guinness. -DZ
It's simple. Anakin named him C-3PO instead of using whatever his original number was. Of course, that begs the question: what was his designation before he ended up in the junkyard?
He wasn't 1 single droid model before he ended up in the junkyard most likely.
@@tk-6967 I suspect that most of the head and torso are original.
@@Anvil1137Can't really make that assumption. Remember Anakin was a mechanical genius, so perhaps "C-3P0" is actually a repurposed IG or HK class Droid 🤔
so no mention of the fact that C-3PO was build by a 9 year old mostly out of scraps from a junk yard.
I remember seeing more feminine droids in clone wars. Being one example on the last episode of the first season, is my memory doesn't fail me
Ah yes, The New Essential Guide to Droids. The book responsible for making the Exile female in "canon".
Okay, I want my protocol droid to be plated with racing stripes.
Wasn’t C-3PO a custom built droid made by a young Anakin? Maybe due to this, 3PO is not actually any specific model. 🤖
4:02 This is just silly. the OT lore was focused around the OT and did not account for the creation of the PT. To right off lore as being baseless because previous out-of-date sources say something else makes no sense, it is like saying that the EU story surrounding the Mandalorian Protectors being nearly wiped out was wrong simply because prior lore states that this was done by the Empire. Both of these things no longer work because the SW Galaxy in the 1980-90s was very different to how it was in the 2000s. With the added context that 3PO models have been around since before Anakin was born which hadn't been known prior to the PT, it would make little sense for them to have OT-era Tranlang 3 modules.
When two things contradict one another you go with 1. the older source or 2. the better source. In this case both are one and the same. If the prequels contradict the original trilogy, that is a fault of the prequels, not the originals. And considering that Artoo and Threepio have been kicking around the galaxy for decades according to SW lore from 40 years ago, yeah we already knew the model was much older than Anakin and it wasn't some new revelation.
@@brianwhite8465 So you don't think the Prequels are Canon?
I thought the name C3PO was a designated model and unit number set by the factory he was created by.
The only times I consider older lore to be incorrect, relative to newer material, is if it's explicitly errata'd, silently retconning does not count but if there is an actual error fixing this is fine if done appropriately.
I always chalked up the naming difference to the ever budget-conscious Trade Federation opting to buy a 3PO knockoff, or either leasing the design/committed corporate espionage to build it themselves for cheaper. (I support this claim with the Geonosis Droid Factories being able to effectively work on a 3PO unit and even connect its wiring to an OOM/B1head and vice versa.)
I'm looking forward to examining the droid factory scene, and what implications the head-swap has about droid construction. A custom variant under license is perhaps the most interesting idea I've heard so far, and it lines up with the manufacturing capacity the Trade Federation has access to. -DZ
Its common for products with the same hardware but different software to have different model numbers. This is especially true if the user can't reprogram the device. Look at tvs or cars for example. However it's very uncommon for these to have wildly different model numbers. Instead you use a base model number and add extra characters as feature identifiers. The argument could be that the softwares have to share base and need to be kept separate to more easily track for support and recall reasons.
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You have to remember… Anaikan said he made him from different parts from other droids. It’s mostly a protocol droid. He is basically a custom robot.💯🤷🏾♂️🫡
When is a 3P0 not a 3P0? When it is a disguised CIS assassin!
3PO's brain was a combination of 3 droid CPU brains
As far as we know, the AA-1 Verbobrain is a single monolithic part, which would mean his brain can only be from a single droid. The TranLang III communications module is a distinct part from the brain. I think you're talking about the ship's computer on the Millennium Falcon, which was created by combining 3 droid brains. -DZ
I love that we’re at a time in history where pop culture fans are having to correct creators on their own lore.
If I had to come up with lore on-the-fly as seems to be expected of modern SW, I would say the designation was something simple, like "Trade Coalition model 14" droid. TC-14 being just an internal naming convention among Trade-fed vessels.
10:24 I didn't expected to hear a dalek
One other thing with C-3PO, he might, technically, not be a 3PO droid there...just that he has a pile of 3PO parts along with who knows what else that Anakin scrounged up when building him from scrapped droids
Maybe "TC" isn't a series but the abbreviation for Trade Center and she was the 14th Protocol Droid manufactured for the Trade Federation or at least that station.
Interesting video about droids, thanks.
thanks for the nice video. Again if seems, things are muddled and confused by the newest content that has been added
We could easily say TC-14's voice is the way it is for...
those reasons...
Surely this is all academic because Anakin made C3-P0. The kid's hobby was not finished when he was taken by Qui-Gon Jinn. Someone else must have put "protocol droid" plating/covers on it to not only finish it but make it ready for sale to the Empire.
Wait, who ever planned to sell C-3PO to the Empire? That doesn't seem compatible with the timeline at all. -DZ
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Yeah, my bad... I meant to say Resistance. 😳🙄
The trade federation might have numerous 3PO's on just one ship, requiring more "first names". So, TC14-3PO.
C3PO was made by a child who was abnormally proficient in engineering. i thought he only classified as a protocol droid because he had the skills for the title and the droid shell. i assumed everything under the chassis was the equivalent to a custom gaming PC for Anakin.
C3P0, as we know him, was built by young Anikin, as a hobby. So it is not improbable to assume he was put together with non-factory parts. So yeah, it is quite possible that C3P0 is not actually a C3P0 unit according to factory specs.
C-3po was created with spare parts and used goods originally so he may be a different model or altered model mind while the body another. He was made from old protocol Droid parts later got cleaned up and much shinier.
They could have avoided all this confusion by saying that the "names" of individual droids are actually their serial numbers.
I like to think the Tc designation is merely its orderd model TC = trade commission 14 is just 14th one in the batch
It makes perfect sense that tc-14 is simply a variant of 3po. By that, I mean, if a client orders enough of a model of something that'd require a dedicated run of it just for them, often they are allowed input on many of its features. A big client orders an entire run of a cell phone, they can often opt to substitute in a different camera, or maybe to have a physical off switch for Wi-Fi/Bluetooth. It's entirely possible that the trade federation could've ordered 3po model and opted for some changes in their run. Though the female voice is likely something they all can do, and it just requires it be turned on in preferences. And the model name difference. Often products will have different model names in different markets. Famicom vs NES anyone? Sega Genesis or mega drive? Maybe the trade federation calls their own variant of the 3po a tc-14? They're really the same, minus some tweaks and a different designation in another nation. Maybe the they initially used the earlier mk2 language model, which still has an impressive 1 million languages. And the trade federation, which probably trades with countless nations and cultures, desired their variant to carry an upgraded module to help facilitate their trade deals with these cultures. Once these were produced, the manufacturer saw the appeal in the the extra linguistics capabilities, since they can boast it in advertisments to boost sales, so they made it a standard part of the package. We see real life examples of similar all of the time. Again, id conclude they're the same, just called by a different name in a different country, that bought enough to request the upgraded linguistics module in their production run.
"E chu ta" 👏😂 The thing that you fail to mention is that "C-3P0" wasn't manufactured on an assembly line per se, but instead was kitbashed and custom built by young Anakin from the salvaged parts he was able to glean during his employment with Watto. For all we know, "C3P0" could have R2, HK, pit Droid, etc parts as well, with only his processing and memory circuits coming from a/ or several "protocol droids"....so what the star wars reference guides said could be true, from a certain point of view 😂
What are your thoughts on Anakin's podracer engines? Those were manufactured as Radon-Ulzer 620C engines, before Little Ani salvaged, repaired, and modified them. -DZ
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@@thebreadcircus I'm glad he's doing fine
It's my guess that vocal settings on protocol droids are simply a matter of preference chosen by the owner of the droid.
I dont understand why people cant grasp droids roll of the production line like Honda Civics, , even if they look the same, they probably are different somehow
What madman decided 3PO is a model name and not the C- part?
Disney in a nutshell.🤫
Disney had nothing to do with Star Wars in the 80s, so I'm pretty sure not. If it wasn't mentioned in the novelizations or comics before, then it was likely West End Games, which came up with tons of the backstory and minutiae that are part of Star Wars in-universe history today.
I always figured C-3PO and TC-14 were names, not models. That's like every human calling themselves human, it's not a name or a way to introduce yourself. If you had a situation where you have multiple 3POs, say you buy 3, you wouldn't call them A-3PO, B-3PO and C-3PO. You'd call them Larry, Curly, and Moe or something.
Wait, _what?!_ *9D9* is _female?!_ Until _this very moment,_ at 10.00pm on Saturday the 11th of November, I'd always that that droid was just a particularly nasty, but altogether _male_ character! 😮
I'm not sure how widely known that is, I think I only found out from reading the novelisation.
"Ninedenine stopped in front of Threepio, raising her pincer hands expansively. “Ah, new acquisitions,” she said with great satisfaction." -DZ
@@thebreadcircus it's been decades since I last read that book… Time for a re-read, methinks! 😄
One of ironies about TC R2 and 3PO is the fact that in star wars they didnt use alpha numeric letters and numbers but a made up system of symbols when ever lettering was required to be seen
The thing about Threepio not being a 3PO, I think that he isn't a 3PO simply because of 1 thing: He wasn't made by Cybot Galactica. He's a custom build, made by Anakin.
I prefer my personal favorite about TC 14 that it's actually a tactical Droid disguised as a 3PO
I'm guessing TC-14 stands for
Trade Federation - a way to identify the legitimate owner quickly
Cybot - where they purchased the droid from in bulk, as there was also the RA-7 used
14 the last two numbers in the Serial Number, like how stores identify products based on the last few digits on the UPC instead of the whole 14 digit code
As for the programming, it would honestly be as straightforward as being an octave or two higher than droids with masculine programming (given Astromechs and 3POs have both, it seems like user preference like you said along side options for paintjobs)
The droids related in the same way the Morris mini and the Austin mini in the sixes until both companies were incorporated in the into British Leyland both were almost identical
TC 13 refers to the droids designation onboard the ship there are clearly more than just that one Droid within the ship so therefore that's its name
This is kind of headcanon but I've always assumed that droid names are just a short bit of a much longer serial number, with the model number always in there somewhere.
The TC series is not a protocol droid like C3P0 is in the original films. She is a concierge model. Any type of humanoid droid can have a similar chassis to any other model. In my understanding, The "TC" acronym means, "Totally Concierge". This would somewhat distinguish the two as different applications of use rather than claiming they are the same droid. In other ways, the TC-14 was told to cover for her masters and completely came up with the name. Meaning, "Totally Covering for 14 life forms". The voice box was more likely the type-2 rather than a type-3 or vice versa because C3P0 was still a work in progress at the time. When Anakin grew up and was allowed to finish his droid. He upgraded the voice box to a type-3. Type 2 has two different vocal modes if you want to use that as to why the two different voices exist.
13:12 If I had one of those ships I'd call it the michelangelo
Anakin built C3P0, so he probably has parts from a lot of different sources.
well in the prequels annie was said to have built 3po. meaning 3po was a unique machine, not a model of device which already existed.
if you can name a pet dog whatever, then you could name a a device you build whatever you want.
then through analogy, if you know what your thing is, you could know what another thing is.
if you name your dog fido, and you lack the word dog, then someone could convey meaning by saying 'that is a longhaired fido'
this also explains why the tubes and wires which emerge out from under the breastplate down into the 'pants' are also custom.
moreover there could be hidden differences between the models. like one could use servos, and another could use gyros. or in a less physical way one could use dc power and the other ac.
anyway the big thing is that if annie built the droid, then he assembled it partially out of junk but also custom fabricated some parts. if he didnt build any of teh parts himself and only used leftover parts then he didnt build it, he assembled it. by extension he wouldnt have been the inventor of the droid. so ultimately, are the movies cannon?
last thing, different organizations on earth have their own naming systems. so having a custom brand name for retail and a different brand name for giant customers like the trade federation, the empire, and other state, near state, and ngo actors mean you could have different price points for each customer's custom needs. if you could sell basicly the same thing for double the price and 5% more cost, then you would do so. so saying that one droid is another droid cause the differences are negligible is a rejection of marketing.
i could sell hand soap with a frother, or just bulk. and in a situation where clean water isnt common, a waterless hand sanitizer would be in demand. then there is the topic of capacity to pay. governments with capacity to inflate the currency and their subordinate militaries are basicly blank checks. military grade and government grade then mean you may need to secure some features which other models lack.
eg. if you have figured out how to get sign language, and scent language, then perhaps only government droids would need it. and for the more mainstream droid you have written languages and spoken languages.