Steffi Graf vs Lori McNeil | Wimbledon 1994 first round | Full Match Replay
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Lori Mcneil was a top 20 player facing Graf in the first round. I believe Lori already had a win over Steffi so she wasn't intimidated. Lori also won the grass court event in Birmingham a few weeks earlier that year. This was an extremely tough first round match for Graf. Before the turn of century there were only 16 seeds in slams. An upset for sure but Lori is so tough on grass.
As the commentary mentions, Graf came in without match practice after losing at RG. Bad idea in hindsight, she was already low on confidence after the hammering she took from Pierce. The Virginia Slim loss to McNeil from two years back was also playing on her mind. Add to that the weather and rain interruptions and it was a perfect storm.
This is still not the worst loss endured by a top seed in the first round at Wimbledon. That 'honour' goes to Martina Hingis at Wimbledon 99, losing to Dokic. Also came on the back of a bruising RG loss, interestingly.
@@MadanRajaRock Exactly. Pierce really rocked her confidence at RG, Graf hadn't been thoroughly outplayed like that in years. And Lori was so aggressive on the grass and took Graf's game away from her.
one of the reasons they eventually switched to 32 seeds at majors. Plus-
Madan Mohan Didn’t Hingis make the FO final that year?
@@jackdownham483 Yeah. Was even going to serve for the match until it all went pear shaped. And she was still nursing the hurt from that loss when she walked onto the Wimbledon turf, in no frame of mind to compete.
Graf had one weaknesses: getting it to her backhand side and coming to net. Either she was going to try to force a run-around forehand or she was going to have to hit a backhand pass...her most difficult shot. McNeil exploited her weakness to perfection. Not many players had the ability to do that.
I think because Steffi did not possess consistent good top spin backhand as Conchita Martinez acquire.
Mc Neil how many slams NONE
@@yousefbhoyroo6960 We're talking about the match-up. Not legacy.
Lori beat steffi twice i think and lost so many. Lori had the goods to beat an off steffi graf. Thats about it 🤷🏼
Oh lorse this was a tough match as a huge Steffi fan, but couldn’t help but come out loving McNeil
Lori is such a sweet giving person to this day. She coached my daughter for a while. Very positive, patient and a calming influence. You'd never know she's a former pro bc she never talks about herself
One of the biggest women’s tennis upsets in the 1990s
The quality of the commentary here is streets ahead of what we get today.
Absolutely
Back when first round matches at the Slams were fun. It's been a long time since that was the case.
A spectacular match. Think about who defeated Steffi Graf at Wimbledon:
Jo Durie
Pam Shriver
Martina Navratilova
Zina Garrison Jackson
Lori McNeil
Natasha Zvereva
Lindsey Davenport
That's a pretty elite group to be in, I'd say...
Absolutely 👍💯
Good observation and a pretty elite group indeed..
Zvereva beat an invalid injured steffi in 98, that shouldnt really count. But either u had to have a great serve and volley or all power game to CONSISTENTLY overpower steffi from the baseline both sides (davenport)
McNeil is also the pride of Texas as Ms. Harrison! I love her form and the ease she looks very elegant. I don't.miss grunts!!
I meant Ms. Garrison
I'm also a Texan, just a few hours from Houston, and have to admit that I was pulling for Lori all the way! WTG, Lori!
I like both Zina and Lori..
What does it say that Mcneil went all the way to the semi finals where she lost a very close one to 10/8 in the 3rd.
Stunning match - gotta love the courage of McNeil ... she had the talents to take at least one or two Slams... a shame she did not, but this victory lives as a testament to her talents
whoever beats Graf at wimbledon should win the whole damn thing . martinez and martina benefitted in 1990 and 1994
@@likuidtalent4818 that semifinal from McNeil was not a very pretty match...
If she had the talent, what was she missing ?
@@peterzhou9267 10/8 in the 3rd
@@xidiamond6851 Yes. But not a good one, as McNeil couldn't hit any passing shot over Martinez, who was no more than an average volleyer despite good techniques. It was pretty messy to watch.
Graf behaved perfectly in defeat.
I can remember her saying that lori mcneil "kept the ball low and there was nothing I could do".
From the NY Times:
"It's not that big of an upset because of who I lost to. It's very disappointing, and obviously it didn't help me that it started raining, but we both had to play the conditions, and she played better than me; that was obvious."
Great match.
Glorious match. No internet in those days. Couldn't check out scores online (definitely not watch) and I don't even think this was on broadcast TV in the States. Maybe HBO. I found out the score on the radio while at a camp. Such a different time.
Just became a McNeil fan. 👏👏👏
Remember this match (was 16) very well. After a 2-6 2-6 against loss against Pierce at the RG Semis ... Steffi came with not so much confident.
At that time only best 16 Players were seeded - and McNeil was only 18 in world but was considerd one of the best Grass Court players of that time.
The rainy day also suited her game - she player extremly well - so all came together. It was a sensation - but McNeils run was only stoped in the Semis after a close loss to later Champion Conchita Martinez...
Lori knew that all she had to do was keep making Graf hit backhand passing shots
Easier said than done. Graf is so fast, she often was able to run around and hit a wicked forehand.
She made the Semis that year too which was a pretty good effort.
The weather conditions very similar to when Steffi lost Zina Garrison in 1990 - damp and cold. The ball bouncing lower, and slower through the air. Lori playing much like Zina did in that match too. Slicing and dicing and getting to the net.
Missing Virginia Wade’s commentary these days.
She still does, I remember her commentating in the Vekic vs. Goerges match in last year’s US Open
She always sounds a bit tipsy.
Yes- i like hearing her and Ann Jones.
Always loved watching Chris Evert, but Evert's commentary is almost annoying; I much prefer Virginia's intellectual commentary.
Virginia is very anti Steffi. Never liked her
Lori was a very deliberate player and that certainly had to grate on Steffi's nerves as she likes a very quick pace of play. It was quite an effective strategy to use against Steffi and it payed dividends in this match.
Nice points on
53:07
1:35:43
1:37:06
1:54:30
I’m glad they got rid of the let judge at the net. He’s in the way of a potential round the post shot. It was kind of unsafe. Also it’s odd seeing players play on after a set is complete without a change over. And the conditions look like it’s October with everyone bundled up.
I would have like that they didn't change the rule about playing on after a set is done. The flow of the game should not be disrupted.
Seats please, ladies and gentlemen. This is not a change.
That loss was a tough pill to swallow. Steffi was 3-time defending champion. Love Lori's game
Wow a match that I didn't know about. What a shocker! Nice match to watch and learned about the passed>>>
Excellent match and game. I love the endurance and honesty in this game. May I be granted great successes in this life. Excellent modesty!!!
Had this on vhs. Was cheering for Lori I remember it well
The bounce was even more tricky back then.
Say what?
I love how players didn't go to the towel every point back then- neither took one on court during play... toweling off every point adds about an hour onto a 5 set match, 45 minutes t a 4 set and 30 to a 3 set....such a waste.
I think that may have been because it wasn’t so much of a power game back then.
Graf was fast from the baseline but she played few times in the net, serve and volley it’s better on this surface.
Steffi made so many mistakes. Her topspin backhand was her nemesis.
This only works in the pipsqueak era.
These two got on quite well off court. They played doubles together at the US Open in 1990.
1:54:36 Spectacular!
I watched this match was happy for Lori 🥳
Lori had a clear strategy. Make Stefi pass on the backhand.
Lori often gave Steffi a lot of trouble, not just in this match but in many of their other matches. She was one of the handful of players that could do so. Seeing her play well is such a treat. It makes me wish that she had even more success as a singles player. But overall, she had a very respectable career.
Everyone had that strategy......
Only worked when steffi really bad days... Like this one.
@@gk891 2-9 H2H vs Graf so just accept that Graf had a bad day at the office and Mcneil played sustained focused determined lights out tennis that slingshot her to the semi finals that year
Lori McNeil played well against Steffi Graf, the Wimbledon defending champion.
Did Graf play well against her?
McNeil did very well against Steffi :)
@Ilya Kuryakin I was referring to this match in this video
@Ilya Kuryakin Lori's style of play was a good challenge for Graf
That year Martinez won this episode
Good for mc Neal
Steffi always❤️❤️❤️
The Big Mac!
Graf really let this match go. She had a chance to win the second set and also had a set point. Good gutsy performance from McNeill. Graf was still bewildered by her loss at the French Open by Pierce
Lori McNeil so poised im victory. With all of her talent she could have won alot more..
Upset, of all upset
8:49 Graf inside-out slice backhand return winner and slow motion replay.
This was even a bigger upset than Becker losing to Doohan in the second round back in 1987.
Up to this point the first time ever that a defending champion lost in the first round....man or woman....of a grand slam tournament. Others have done it afterwards, but Steffi will always be the first in the record books. Another impressive record by Graf.
Every great champion has a great defeat. From Graf, Serena, Roger, Nadal, Kerri Walsh, Tom Brady and even MJ.
With no rivals to her manly hitting serena is not a great for me sorry on this
@@RameshKumar-ud5uk gross
@Oliver McCall That his team lost 3 years in a row (1988-1990) against the Detroit Pistons (2nd round and Conference Finals) is a part of a failure.
@Ilya Kuryakin I agree. Serena has had, over her career, many who could challenge her when they were in top form but nobody could maintain for more than a small period of time, even when they are now half her age.
Yes it was 1st round loss, but it was not an easy game, scores were 7/5, 6/6 tiebreak, so it's not an easy match/game. Credit to both players, even it was only 1st Rd, it was a match worth watching. Steffi is only human and had proven a lot
Wow so many arguments for GOAT... I think its hard to judge coz there are so many factors... there should be no need to put these players in categories ... but appreciate them as the champions they were.. Margaret and martina for the volume of g.s won across all events.. Steffi and Serena for singles dominance... evert for most consistent record above them all... they all have aspects that make them G.o.a.t.. I even agree that It would have been scary to see what would have been Seles tally without the stabbing..
Well even though Seles was winning she wasn't crushing everyone. The matches were tough vs lots of women. JC served for that 91 semi twice. Sabatini choked away leads, Graf lost close ones so we can't say for sure what would have happened
@@xidiamond6851 some may have been close but she was not losing
Until they changed the grass, the first few days at Wimbledon could be a nightmare for the baselines. The ball stayed so low, so passing shots were more difficult to execute.
I wish they'd go back to the old grass. It added more variety to the game.
As it should be.
Great win here for Lori
Graf clearly not happy lori was 17 in the world here
That why IMO I think only 16 players should be seeded (and for Wimbledon, reward grass court results more).
Amazing and sensational win for Lori!!!!
Lori was very Súper in this Wimbledom 👏🏻👏🏻
Bravo Lori!
Possibly the biggest wimbledon shock in the ladies game in the 90s
Mariana die Swardt almost had her two years previously, almost 😢
Genial Lori!
Always loved how Lori moved at net, so smooth and elegant, like novotna as well and also Sabatini, when they were coming to net and while at net the movement was singular and smooth, such great transition games. Navratilova was known as the best serve and vollyer ever but her movement at net was so athletic and muscular but the movement didn't seem as natural as the three I just mentioned. I always love watching Steffi's footwork. I don't think anyone has ever had such good, balanced and balletic footwork in the women's game, there were definitely ppl as fast if not faster than Steffi, Clijsters, Williams Sisters, Capriati when she got super fit, Sanchez Vicario. But the only person I can think moved with the same kind of "small step" speed, I'd think maybe Justine Henin.
Sometimes Graf had a good offensive backhand when she needed it. But in this match, her backhand was totally off. She should have implemented her offensive backhand more into her game, so it would have been more reliable when needed.
Steffi didn’t know what to do!
2:20 nice work on the ball caught Steffi out.
Net cord judge's haircut... Outdated, even for 1994 lol
Nerden gordun - allah seni ne etsin hemi 😂
@@oza801 😂
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That was biggest upset ever
""Sun Sets in the East - Believable"... Steffi lost first round in Wimbledon...." Newspaper headlines that depressed me full day and was crying all along...... Such a hard pill that was
Steffi waits for her opponent to leave super act.
That's standard practice at Wimbledon, chill.
@@tremaine861 some one who won 23 slams sometimes don't have the manners and forcefully asks alize to vacate the seat and spoils her jubilation.
@Ilya Kuryakin why
グラフもヒンギスも1回戦負けがあるなんて、
テニスって難しいね
Next up some Zina Garrison
This looks like a totally different game than what the women play now. I can appreciate both. But i like that the women let their emotions all hang out now.
Graf in her prime was a joy to watch, impeccable all round ability. She just had an off day here against an inspired opponent, it happens. No Serena type tantrums from Steffi though 👌
these results are de rigueur in women's tennis nowadays
She shoulda won the whole thing.
Look how bare the players’ area was back then. Now they have a whole Starbucks on the court for the players.
Lori was always a great aggressive player and she always stayed very calm .I think she really like the match up with Steffi.
Poor Lori didn't even get to celebrate. She got rushed off by Steffi (which I understand Steffi wants off the court). The stupid rule they have to leave together. Lori should have been able to enjoy the moment with the crowd. She didn't have all the opportunities that Steffi had. Lori was a class act. Wish she had more success. She was a very talented player. I would say even more so than her friend who she grew up with, Zina Garrison.
Graf played below fifty per cent, caught out by the weather and rustiness.
next to Martina, I think Lori had the best volley of that era (after Hana retired)...Zina's seemed to sit up, Jana's got short/pressure...I think if Lori had won the SF vs. Conchita, Martina would have won the title...Martina had played 4 serve volleyers in a row- trashing Novotna 61,61 in the final 2 sets (lost 1st 75), she was totally grooved against the serve volley game- Conchita's pass/baseline game threw her.
Nope. Clearly, in the tournament, McNeil was harder to beat than Navratilova. So, if Conchita Martínez'd withdrawn, McNeil would have defeated Navratilova. That's how it is.
It was bad luck for Steffi but if she cracked her set point in the second set, she would make it clear in the third.
Wow, this must been one of the worst games of Graf I ever saw, no confidence at all, so many errors, double faults in dire situations. Every champion can have that kind of bad day I guess. Makes them more human. But the wonderful McNeil took advantage of it beautifully - great nerves, great netplay, great serve.
Without The Stabbing Steffi also would have won Wimbledon 94.
Graf Started Bad 😣
I think steffi had a bad Pizza the night before🤣
That was Michael Jordan
Bad Pizza,...in London?! LMBO
It's the bad day of Steffi Graf 🙏
Foot faulting like crazy.
I'm so happy
She lost this one. She was flying on top after he preplanned stabbing of Seles.
This was when Grand slams only seeded top 16 players instead of the ridiculous 32 seeds they do now. Lori McNeil was ranked #17 here so she just missed being seedbed. Great match by Liori. Steffi not at her best here is still the GOAT in my opinion
Shame Lori couldn’t have gone on and won the title that year.
And since then, apart from Serena Williams, women’s tennis has been inconsistent af.
Serena has been as inconsistent af
idk. the William's sisters on grass is a sight. since 2000 theres only been 4 finals that didn't feature one of them. that's seems like that's consistent to me.
the women's game was very consistent through the 2000s- it's been since 2010 that it's fallen apart.
@@aagold76 Well not quite. Look at 2012/2013. There was amazing consistency among the top 8 players, especially among the top 4.
Regulus Arcturus agreed! I remember someone beat Serena in the US open final I think in 2014 and since then... mess.
Grad was definitely a great champion but her legacy was helped because she didn’t have any real rivals....especially when Monica was stabbed.
This happened again. The situation. Although the spanish girl who won today over the champ was probably not and will not be of mcneils calibre on grass.
Why was Lori allowed to wear emerald green coloured undergarments? Very disrespectful!
Steffi unlucky and also victim here of her own fear- she doesn’t like Lori’s game and feels a lot of pressure. But weather is a huge factor too with interruptions. However, can I go back to these days - my childhood 😩
Trés plaisante à voir cette Lori Mcneil.
Malheureusement un jeu trop "fragile" pour une carrière erratique.
Wh1the power💪💪💪
Thank god for Venus and Serena this match was boring
I wish those two would go away for good.
😶
Bad characters graf
What awful play by Steffi, possibly in response to the French of that year. Some shots great but others really off. Lori, a good journey woman player played a smart match.
Also, I would hardly call this a classic, a big upset yes, but hardly a classic. A classic is when both players play well.
Response from French? Mcneil got double bagled by Pierce at the French then 2 weeks later Wimbledon semi finalist
Thanks to Venus and Serena for bringing power hitting into women's tennis.
... and the rackets, strings, lighter balls, nutrition, training, etc. 😬
Actually Seles, Capriati and Graf brought in power hitting prior
I Love Venus and Serena they changed the face of tennis literally; however it was Monica Seles who really brought power hitting from both sides of her shots and let's not forget frauline forehand Steffi, Capriati could also hit with power.
Serena and Venus brought another level to the game with their speed, intensity and of course power.
@@RachelDavisMatthews I would also add Mary Pierce.. Very powerful..
She did come back & win 95 & 96 wanted her to win 99 final & should have
How many slams Lori 00
It's amazing to notice how the black player almost didn't get any close up shot by the cameras...
¡Very boring match!
Fais voir ce que tu sais!
They play soo bad . Comeon imagine serena play these at her top level
It was a different era
SW could not survive serve and volley era that's why she can never be GOAT
Force Serena Williams to net she loses the point most times. The constant chip and charging would have humbled her frustrated her into early retirement.