Understanding FLOWER BOY
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What makes Tyler the Creator’s 2017 album Flower Boy so important? Tyler the Creator is a rapper originating from California with a long and infamous career. He earned his fame as leading member of rap collective Odd Future, the same group that spawned stars such as Frank Ocean, Earl Sweatshirt, Syd and Tyler himself. For a long time, with the release of his albums Bastard, Goblin, Wolf and Cherry Bomb, Tyler was an incredibly polarizing figure. With the release of Flower Boy in 2017 Tyler showed a softer side of himself with refreshing, original beats and heartfelt lyricism. Flower Boy took Tyler from being a niche figure with an ugly reputation to one of the most respected rappers in the game, influencing everyone from Kanye West to Brockhampton. In this video I discuss Tyler’s evolution from immature young man to respected musician. A joint project between Tyler, the Creator and rapper A$AP Rocky is hotly anticipated and expected to drop any day. Camp Flog Gnaw is Tyler’s upcoming music festival that will feature names such as Kids See Ghosts, Kanye West and Kid Cudi’s duo, Rex Orange County, Brockhampton, Post Malone, SZA, Jaden Smith, Earl Sweatshirt, Lauryn Hill and many more music stars.
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What was the song in the background in the intro?
Awesome review! Very balanced.... thank you 🙏! I will be looking forward to more reviews! Flower boy is a classic 🌺
Ich liebe diesen Jungen, ganz besonders die alten Sachen. Nettes Video (:
Felix 3000 WOLF DUMBASS
6:26 doesn't even sound like Tyler. I'm pretty sure that's Earl.
“I can’t wait to see what he releases next”
*IGOR enters the stage
vote igor 🥺👉🏼👈🏼
I’m Igor he comes out
Nico Network stfu
igor is pretty good if you understand the songs. theres a story behind it
wdym IGOR is great
To be fair to Tyler, while it is the middle of his career (well we don't know he could be making albums into his 40s and then it wouldn't be middle) he dropped flower boy at the age of 26, same as when Kanye dropped college drop out and younger than Eminem with sslp. Tyler blew up really young and we are starting to see him really mature before our eyes. Imo we are seeing him really hitting his creative stride
AQGOAT24 you know i couldn't take tyler seriously back when he said "ill be dead when im 40" or something along those lines. I was around 11 or 12 when he said that and i was super naive believing that would be true. Then again... who knows?
hiphopdx.com/news/id.15759/title.tyler-the-creator-predicts-his-own-death-at-40
AQGOAT24 so we just gonna ignore cherry bomb? Okau
tyler confirmed in a interview a while back that he is gonna release 4 more albums
at LEAST
A.J. Animations a while back as in like before flowerboys release?
Dirty Dick Dan On The Scene what you mean ignore? I liked cherry bomb more than most people (find your wings, Smuckers, the brown stains) but it had mixed reviews. Flower boy to me seems poised to be looked at as a classic years from now.
He should've won a Grammy.
Allan Sh he shouldve won a grammy for bastard, goblin and wolf, now everyone loves him and shit, thats dumb, mostly because what hes doing here is trying to get that grammy and he said it in bastard but no one bothers on listening to the real tyler, this flower boy gay tyler is just because he had to change to get famous, why everyone hates cherry bomb? because even tho he had the new vibe he still had the old, real style and no one really liked it but see other people from the gang, take a look at earl, hodgy, left brain, why arent they as famous as tyler? because they havent changed their style a lot, take a look at old songs from him and not just flower boy
Antonio Jaimez I prefer old Tyler but that doesn’t mean new Tyler sucks. It’s just him maturing as an artist and everyone does it. Do you really think it would make sense if Tyler kept rapping about raping women? That was back when he was a teenager he’s 27 now.
Allan Sh YES
Antonio Jaimez his dream was always to get a Grammy dumbfuck. And just because you like old Tyler and you're blinded by nostalgia, doesn't mean Tyler hasn't matured and flower boy was bad.
Antonio Jaimez stop acting like your woke. The real Tyler is always here. It's just he's matured. When you keep your style, it starts to get really bland. And when u change up its called evolving.
BASTARD is super interesting imo. It's not often you get the raw emotions (mostly anger) of a 17 year old without filter in a well produced piece of art like it.
Bastard> Flower Boy
Well produced? Are you high?
Dwaalgeest
Are you saying tracks like Seven, Odd Toddlers, and French aren’t dope beats? Keep in mind he was 17 at the time.
Dwaalgeest they’re well produced for a 17 year old
He was 19 not 17
A year later and Flower Boy holds up as one of best records from last year! And one of Tyler's strongest releases yet.
@@ezwar99 ok mr I know everything about Tyler
That One Guy jeez dude don’t feel so personally attacked by a comment
That One Guy you must have not listened to wolf
A year isn't much time for music. Well in this gen. It might be 😂
Every true tyler fan knows that wolf is by far his best album
Im disappointing at how much you brushed over wolf.
Great vid though.
Same, wolf was his best work until flower boy came out.
I guess it's mostly because the video is more about Flower boy than Wolf, although I agree with you.
Definitely was his most consistent, although it lacked standouts to me.
wolf is by far the best tyler album, he sorta made it sounds like it wasn’t praised by his fans? idk flower boy is kinda a bandwagon album imo this video is good but sounds like it’s coming from someone who discovered flower boy before anything else then dove into his discography expecting softer melodies and rex orange county choruses only to find tracks like trashwang, tron cat, etc
Album’s been growing on me more and more
But what does your twin brother think about it?
Make a video about Tyler
Broooo AtZ love you man
I wholeheartedly agree with you AtZ! 😊
Damn your late af
BRO THE EDITING IS ON POINT!! keep it up
Luke Hendricks most likely Adobe after effects
Cherry Bomb has the best instrumentals imo, album is extremely underrated and continues to grow more on me day to day..
TrapStar Kyle people give an album a single listen and never revisit. It’s sad really.
Cherry bomb was his worst project in my opinion, from the concept to the structure. didnt make much sense compared to the lirycs in wolf for example
I prefer the instrumentals of flower boy, but Cherry bomb is a close second. That being said Cherry bomb is probably Tyler's weakest project alongside Goblin, not bad, but not really good
TrapStar Kyle it’s underrated but I think flowerboy has better intrementals
tyler said himself that cherry bomb "fucking sucks"
Tbh i try to make my friends listen to Tyler. They were all like “I don’t wanna listen to no gay dude”. If only they weren’t homophobic and acknowledge good music🤦🏾♂️
The Cum God damn get new friends
Maybe they don't take your music taste seriously because you're "The Cum God"
Hutch Shambles lol 😂
The Cum God Good is an opinion. And they're your friends🤷🏾♂️. I ain't seen folks that sound that closed minded in a minute. How do they know he's gay? Most ppl with that mindset wouldn't know that in the first place.
I have bastard is my favorite album of which he mentions Danielle & Raquel 2 of his past girlfriends. I've been listening to him for a while I've even heard his rare music. I understand the art-form he's been trying to create I have a deep curiosity about him.
tyler shouldve included a track in flower boy called gay, lyrics something like “GAY IM GAY IM COMING OUT AS GAY THIS ISNT A JOKE IM GAY HIT ME UP BECAUSE IM GAY IM GAY” so that more people could get his point
and some people would still think he’s straight
Max Rottach you should see some of the backlash from people who stopped listening at flower boy, tons of homophobic Bastard/Goblin Literalists
@@moresnqp and then theres igor, an entire album about a gay side of tyler (or something i dont fully understand whether its a side of him or a story)
edit: ok im an idiot i dont know much about tyler and i wrote this when i havent finished the video
Yea, but I feel like he made the right choice with garden shed. This album kind of showed a more mature version of Tyler, and garden shed was showing more vulnerability
@@jawa9376 watch, "the genius of Igor," for a super well detailed explanation of what Igor is about and the story
that was not tylers voice in that 2011 article
Ok thanks I'm not the only one that felt uncomfortable about that
Smooooth sounded more like Rich Brian to me idk lmao
Anders Jacobsen it was his article tho. It was just someone reading it
fr i was like wuuut
Sounded like jasper tbh
He got robbed at the Grammys. Let's be real, i love Kendrick as much as the next guy, but he only won best hip-hop album cause his name is Kendrick. It's a fucking popularity contest. Flower boy is a classic, and it's sad that some people are still sleeping on this project and on Tyler
Never said it wasn't, i just think (in my opinion) Flower boy deserved the award. In terms of production and originality, flower boy was better. That's why i said, no disrespect to Kendrick or DAMN but i feel like he just won the award because he's Kendrick Lamar. Same thing with Bruno Mars, the guy was nominated/won so many it's just ridiculous and disrespectful for the other artists who put in just as much if not harder work than him. Does that mean his project was bad ? Of course not, but they choose a winner based on how mainstream they are, which is unfair. That's why i'm calling it a popularity contest
@@jasonfernandes7965 damn was far superior to Flowerboy lyrically, storywise, and from the standpoint of rapping. Flowerboy only had better production than damn and that literally it.
@@shockmsy it really wasn't. Like 3 songs are good on it.
Damn is Kendricks worst project
@@quentinguru3327 and it's still better than Flowerboy
“I can’t wait to see what he makes next”... did he have a surprise coming
Unpopular opinion: Flower Boy was the best album of 2017 and is better than DAMN
pretty damn popular
That my friend is called a popular opinion
Fuck noooooo!!!!
Hell nah, I love Tyler, but DAMN was wayyyyyy better than Tyler's album 😂😂
Thats quite popular
Flower Boy >>> DAMN.
Definetelyyyy
Ratings for Tyler but y'all will say anything about a person under a video about them. That's an opinion not fact
eh maybe but flower boy < m.a.a.d. city
True
Kendrick Lamar is my favourite rapper of all time, but I have to admit flower boy was the album I listened to the most back in 2017.
Ever since I first heard Flower Boy, I instantly fell in love. The features fit perfectly, the music is extremely diverse and exciting, and Tyler’s lyrical flow is at his peak. Such an amazing project and will stay at the top of my list for years to come.
Evolution of Guitar same but lil Wayne messed up the whole album for me giving it a 10/10 🤦🏻♂️ imo.
ok look, this album is good to non tyler fans. All the real OG tyler fans know that flower boy isn't even close to wolf, goblin, or bastard.
Cristian Garcia ive been with Tyler since then and still think this is his most polished piece of work. Don’t let nostalgia get in the way. With Goblin and Bastard, Tyler was immature, angry, and uncomposed. Flower Boy see’s the most honest portion of Tyler.
Andrew Ruiz Im not a huge fan of wayne but his wordplay on dropping seeds was fire
People need to to stop limiting this album as his "peak", I'm sure he has more potential to show.
I’m still trying to figure out why cherry bomb was so hated on when it’s his second best album.
IPuntBabies terrible mixing that I admittedly don't care about anymore. I really enjoy songs like OKAGA, DEATHCAMP, and THE BROWN STAINS
I don't get it either. When I hear people's opinions, it's always different tracks. It's never the same tracks that are criticized.
It's sparatic nature from super loud and intense to calm is quiet jarring on a first listen and weird distortion lends itself to being a pretty uncomfortable album to listen to, I personally enjoy it and even crank the volume on Cherrybomb but I could see why not too many people liked it.
@@souvlaki9951 Yea what would you say is the best personally I would say from a technical standpoint Flower Boy is the best but from my personal perspective I would say Wolf is my favorite.
2 seater and fucking young are some of his best songs period
4:36 Did you really just say Flower Boy was his first attempt to tell a story within an album? Christ, did you even listen to Bastard, Goblin, and Wolf?
Lol yep all his albums are stories. Even Cherry Bomb with the moon theatres story
EXACTLY THIS DOOD IS FUCKING PHONEY GTFO FOOL HAHAH
this whole video I was thinking "we don't make horror core, listen deeper than the lyrics" :/
Jesse Day fr especially wolf
bastard, goblin, and wolf are all pieces to a three part stories thats looked at as one of the most complex narratives in music, if anything flower boy has the least story out of any of his albums
Flower Boy helped me fully realize that like Tyler, I too was bisexual. It was a journey alright.
sonikku956 same
Flower Boy and Blonde lol
Y R U GAE?
CONGRATULATIONS BRO
Ew nigga you gay
Tyler definitely deserves a spot in the hip hop wall of fame
He deserves it, and I think at this point he almost has it
Flower Boy > DAMN.
Tyler really should've gotten the Grammy. Best hip hop album of 2017.
best album of 2017
idk but Saturation trilogy is really good as well
best album of all time
4:44 was better tho
I really dont consider Flower Boy as hip hop, so I really feel like DAMN earned it
I'm still so angry about him being banned fron the UK.
Flower Boy is one of my favorite albums ever created and my favorite Tyler album
This is the album that made me fully fall in love with Tyler. This album has a special place in my heart. 🖤
Excellent video and excellent album!
I watch this every now and then, and I get so nostalgic and emotional cause of how much I've seen Tyler evolute
Just me? Okay den
I wish you covered Cherry Bomb more, it's honestly my favorite Tyler album. It (in my opinion) shows more a change in his character than Flower Boy as it still covers his older, darker topics, while still using lighter themes.
Cherry Bomb is such an underrated masterpiece
Specifically OKAGA, CA. That entire track is the most underrated song in Tyler's discography. His verse and the final minute of it all gives me goosebumps every time. I also find it the perfect lead into his following body of work, Flower Boy.
Swingo damn right, imo the second half (starting with blow my load) is like a more raw and explosive version of flower boy. The highs were higher and lows were lower on cherry bomb- smuckers is his best song “rapping” and 2seater/okaga are among his best songs in general, but the mess thats run and cherry bomb turns off most listeners bc theyre the first few songs
ficokr
true dat ... the gap between great songs like okaga, 2seater, fucking young compared to the others is just too big
Panda IT DEFIANTLY IS. Normies were just too afraid of it
I wish you had talked about Odd Future! Tyler's own progression seems incomplete without mentioning the projects where he was instrumental in jumpstarting the careers of many others like Frank Ocean. They also sold so many OF clothes!
Is Flex Tape edible?
Yes
Yes
no bro
Who do I trust now?
I guess i'll *keep* eating it anyway
No. Flex seal however is 100% edible
Wolf is still my favorite Tyler project but I can acknowledge that this is his best. There are a few lyrical shortcomings (thays to be somewhat expected of Tyler lol) but the production is freaking flawless.
Thank god for AJ Booker 🙏🙏🙏 Thou shall rain holy heavens water on your aching vessel ☔️
Cover rap on your channel
I think thats Earl and not Tyler at 6:27
Ya that's what I was thinking
nah that’s not Tyler it is just some random voice reading off what he said, 100% not earl or Tyler
That shit is so inspiring
Flower Boy is definitely his best produced album, my favorite album is still Wolf because of the nostalgia and songs like “48” and “rusty”
DingDong Y'all sleepin on IFHY (from wolf)
Manuel Sagay isiohro best song hands down
Chances are he won't ever top Wolf for me. I've only liked 3-4 songs out of his past two albums.
Jason M wolf was shit except for 2 songs
horney dad57 you're on crack lol
its really beautiful listening to his recent albums and how vulnerable and honest he’s become, i used to think of him as an obnoxious loud mouth with a couple of cool songs but now i’ve truly grown to love and root for him, his growth is so fucking beautiful and i can’t wait for whatever project he makes next
I listened to his album fully last week , I’m in love with it 😭😭. I love the beats , even though U hear similar beats from other artist, but what he does with the beats is sooo unique and how he smartly uses the features ... it’s amazing mayn.
Gay Tyler > Straight Tyler
but he's STRAIGHT edge
Maxi false
He's BI apparently
nah
wrong sir
Great video, my only problem is you kinda skipped over wolf and cherry bomb, I wish you talked more about those albums.
every Tyler album has a story
I really liked Cherry Bomb's raw and rough sound.
A little bit of everything. Ammirite
Alex Moore yah it makes me feel like an angry white punk kid who’s rude to her parents
This album even made me cry of how this album is so beautiful, colorful, and for me relatable. Tyler on this album, the production went out of control and his versatility went so far. This is easily Tyler's best album ever.
1.SFFB
2.WOLF
3.BASTARD
4.CHERRY BOMB
5.GOBLIN..
I LOVE THE DRUMS AND MELODIES
i agree except bastard is above wolf
1SFFB
2.WOLF
3.CHERRY BOMB
4.BASTARD
cherry bomb isn’t as put together as the others but smuckers, 2 seater. Etc. make the album for me
igor is number one now
1. WOLF
2.IGOR (very close second)
3. SFFB
4. BASTARD
5.CHERRYBOMB
6. GOBLIN
I think Flower Boy is his best albums as it seems to be the one he was the most into himself. It seemed to me that Flower Boy is what he wanted Cherry Bomb, and that this is the successor to that album and that he'd finally perfected what he was working towards
Assoholic Shark Actually he said that cherry bomb was the opposite of what flower boy was
a very good video sir
Cherry Bomb is his best album dont mention me
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As a Tyler the Creator fan, (possibly stan) I obviously approve of this video. I also kinda hope Tyler retweets because that’s the kind of thing he does. Pretty smooth and well edited, this one. It really explain Tyler’s story outline in a similar way to Kids See Ghosts’ story. I would’ve liked you to go a bit more in depth to his other 2 projects, Cherry Bomb in particular because it’s an important stepping stone in his career and style and also it has a literal documentary’s worth of information. But yeah uh good video.
MapleMilk that be cool if he does retweet it but I doubt it, because the title is a bit much. Flower Boy was amazing but it’s only been an year and I don’t think Tyler sees it as a classic yet.
STEEZY YEEZY Ah yeah I think he changed the title
But the point still stands
WOLF Fans: "Bruh u literally only listened to one Album by Tyler. Listen to WOLF, that's real music"
Alex Böhnen Whats your favorite album?
Nathaniel Karamchand Cherry Bomb. Fight me.
Alex Böhnen lmao Im a wolf fan
I was a Goblin fan
Wolf is best
It’s crazy lookin back on SFFB. I remember some people didn’t fw it since they thought it “wasn’t Tyler” when in reality him doin dis typa album is da most Tyler The Creator thing he coulda done. He’s someone who hates doin what people expect him to do so when people just saw him as da loud typa guy who makes super hard rap music he prolly wanted to switch it up right when people got used to expecting that side of Tyler. Idk just ma thoughts but mans is very interesting
this is it chief
MAKE “UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET” BY CHILDISH GAMBINO
Was literally playing the album when this notification popped up
Flower boy is one of the best albums of this century
dream bwoy flower boy is to Tyler as Blonde is to Frank. both a couple of the greatest albums of the century.
Of course, certainly nothing has come out in the last 100 years thats as good as this...
century? Huh.
I like rodeo better. That’s a master piece
@@NoName-ff3yw Rodeo can't compare too Flower boy
It's crazy how you can see someone go through maturity and mindset changes in their music,it's dope to look at
This is the video I never thought I needed
Next video. What makes Speedin Bullet 2 Heaven a classic?
EYTPS A Kid Named Cudi, Man on the Moon, Man on the Moon II?
You all know I'm fucking with ya. Speedin Bullet is obviously not classic
I honest feel like this Tylers weakest album
No more chicken sandwiches yes I’ll pay for the damages
the chosen one lol I see you everywhere
Dude I love this video. This video was so well put together man, keep it up
Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like the anti pop playlist (at least some of it) was influenced heavily by this album 🤷🏻♂️😂
wolf is tyler’s best project imo shit has such a good story and a good variety of styles of songs
"I can't wait to hear what he makes next." Oh boy you're in for a treat
Thank's to you i discover this album and rapper , thank you man.
been a fan since 2012. glad i was there for tylers journey
Beautiful editing
AND THEN IGOR COMIN'? BRUH
i feel like these videos are making me feel good about humanity 🙏
hey guys from 2020+, can we all agree tylers grammy performance was fucking amazing
This is an impressive and enlightening video. Thanks! I'm an even bigger fan of Tyler now. Also, you!
This video is for sure going to explode
Magnus Jensen 🐝
Imo you can only judge if something is a classic around 5 years after release.
Damn. for instance is a good album and people instantly deemed it kendrick’s best album and an instant classic but 2 years later many people agree that it may in fact be his worst and not a classic (kendrick’s discography is just that fantastic that its his worst album)
I believe flower boy has big potential to be a classic as i still listen to it a lot and since the release of IGOR you can see tyler’s musical rebirth that stemmed from flower boy, but it remains to be seen
If tyler keeps going on this path than we can safely say that flower boy is a certified classic not only in tyler’s discography but in hip-hop as a whole as it took so many risks, introduced a unique production style, is probably going to be regarded as a big stepping stone in acceptance across the hip-hop genre and overall took an artist to levels people wouldn’t have expected him to reach having just released one of his worst projects to date
Jaye Vugteveen fire ass comment dawg really filled me in
Flower Boy was so beautiful
i relate alot more to his older shit but artisticly its good but when i listen to wolf i just get a nostelgic feeling
It's a classic because he's the *first ever rapper to be personal on an album*
Hal Burgess lol
Bruh I don't think you listen to real rap then
everything with this video is on point newly subbed and excited to watch your takes in the future, keep up the good work
lol practically every comment in here has "imo" in it, like you don't need to add that everyone gets that its your opinion.
I’d love to see a video on Earl Sweatshirt’s music. Good video my man.
Wish someone would do this for Isaiah Rashad.
ERRoN KiNG wouldn’t call it a classic, but Cilvia Demo is one of the best put together rap albums I’ve ever heard. The rhyme schemes, production, and theming all fits perfectly to me
Adam s I give it classic status honestly because of what it’s done for me and I’ve been listen to it since it came out my freshman year of highschool so it’s been with me for years now and also it’s a great body of work n still feels as if he just dropped it it’s aging very well.
ERRoN KiNG for sure. It’s aged really well and it’s a classic for me personally. But I don’t think enough people know about it to really call it a classic
Adam s yea I feel you very lowkey n overlooked but I can definitely say cult classic it’s one of those if you know you know type of things but I hope with this next project he finally gets his recognition he kinda got more buzz with the suns tirade but I feel this next one is the one
ERRoN KiNG yeah definitely cult classic. If his next project is good we got a nice trilogy
even after igor and call me if you get lost, flower boy is still my favorite release from him
This video was BEAUTIFUL!!!
It's awesome to grow up with Tyler and see all his growth and changes/style.
First time I heard Tyler the Creator it was the song called who dat boy ✌🏼🔥🇿🇦
I mean, I hear you, but Cherry Bomb the greatest fuckin album since the days of sound.
haha
and that shit gon pop just like that person that was never 'round
Seeing this video was so satisfying
What should I make next? Suggest stuff here: ⬇
Volksgeist
maybe a Frank Ocean essay? love your vids by the way.
Frank Ocean!
Also maybe a vid on Aretha Franklin, considering she has recently passed away.
Dälek perhaps?
Volksgeist Aretha Franklin's influence on music
Great video! Keep up the good work man! :)
Next video: what makes Volksgeist a classic?
I don't think it was that surprising, he's been using thoughtful personal narrative since wolf, I'm just glad he's consistently improving, that's what's really incredible.
You deserve more subscribers
Flower Boy is my Fav Tyler Album Ever Already. A Classic
Flower Boy is my favorite album from Tyler , because of the beautiful instrumentals , and the fact that he’s opening up about his sexuality , so it feels super genuine. However , I love Tyler’s entire discography. He’s a genius !
This guy isn’t a Tyler fan he had some good points but some that were incorrect af, one example is he said Tyler had never opened up on a album before this one which if you listen to his music literally half of wolf were emotional songs cherry bomb even had a couple and he completely skips talking about wolf or cherry bomb. You had some good points but you should have your facts right next time
And listen to the artist music
Yes but these are almost exclusively emotionally driven songs sonically and lyrically
And lone isn’t? Or answer? What about IFHY?
thats what i was thinking the entire time watching this, tyler has always opened up. not through an entire album like flower boy but definitely in multiple songs
Still don't go more than a week without going back to flower Boy
That definitely sounded like Earl to me, discussing being Black
Thank you! This is such a great video and nails why Tyler is so important in today’s culture. 2017 AOTY
Hit the brakes. Too early for classic tag but it’s by far Tyler best album to date. Continue making quality content fam.
I never really knew tyler, i heard a few songs from the album like boredom and 911, but i didnt know about the album itself. Once i saw the album, i played it and loved it. Its different, but in a good way,and i like that
They call me a crazy man when i say Cherry Bomb was his best album
This is a great video. Didn’t need the clickbait title tho
I wouldn't call it a classic just yet, seeing it's just been to soon. Definitely his best and most complete body of work.
Whats frustrating to me is his “og” fans are annoyed that people who recently became fans think theyre “real fans”. Y’all, if someone likes his music they are a fan, no matter when they hopped on the Tyler train. Really, it’s a little nasty that some people shame others for jumping on late when they either didnt like the old music, or didnt even hear of him.