Carmine was easily the classiest character in the show. He understood that being a real gangster wasn't about ignorant shit, but about conducting an illegal business with as few skulls to crack as possible.
What’s sad is that if he wasn’t so stupid and ignorant, than he could’ve made a killing without actually facing the threat of death and incarceration everyday of his life. For all his “smarts” he was a real dummy that took the life of crime over actual hard work
I don’t think it’s that cut and dried, the show questions whether Tony would have become a boss without the influence of his community and father. At the end if the day, I think Tony is cursed because he purposely refuses to change, but there’s also some sneaky ambivalence in there. “ya born into this shit, you are what you are.” Tony blames his genetics for his son’s depression because he is a determinist
@@colechapman3382 Moron. You think honest work will get you anywhere? Why don’t you tell that to a professor or surgeon? Criminal life is the easiest way to make money. Corruption of infrastructure business is the best, the Hungarians made millions this way after ‘91. As long as you can cover your trail and steal a fraction of a project’s budget, you can escape court in these shithole countries.
You don't survive as long as Paulie has in the game, with little jail time that we know of, by not playing both sides and looking for yourself....nearly got him killed though.
@@stevejones148 Playing both sides is likely to get you killed though and Paulie isnt shown to be bright enough to pull it of for long. He probably survived as long as he did because he was never important enough to be taken out. As far as I can remember he was the oldest soldier in the Soprano family. Everybody else his age was already a capo by the beginning of the show and Paulie was only made capo the second season. He probably flew under the radar for most of his life, because he was never an important member of the Jersey crew.
@@DeadManSinging1 I don't see how that's really relevant whether they love the show or not. There's too much risk nowadays for guys like that. They always have to make sure they keep everything to themselves and within the family. The government has too many weapons nowadays.
In real life they'd whack Tony and probably Milfy too, who knows what he's told her about their thing. And it doesnt matter if they like the show ir not, associates talking back to made men would never happen in real life like it does on the show either.
@@DeadManSinging1 Actually, Michael Franzese the ex mob guy repeatedly said that Sopranos is highly unrealistic in that aspect Because in real life if the mob found out the boss was seeing a psychiatrist? The boss and psychiatrist would be found in the trunk.
Except He was not being nice but manipulative and passive aggressive. He just wanted to flex the fact the he knew he was seeing a therapist and by mob standards that’s a reason to whack Tony
He's not genuinely trying to be nice. He's trying to show that he's more powerful and sees everything that Tony is doing while Tony has no idea what he's up to. He brings up something that he thinks makes Tony feel weak, so he looks more powerful and then acts merciful or fatherly toward him.
@@TheMisterGuyyup. Don't think Carmine respected Tony at all. He probably realised that Tony was extremely unprofessional and not a suitable "good boss"
Lil Carmine (genetically) had the makings of a good Mob Boss ...but he never became one....because Carmine Sr. neglected him by not teaching his son his Principles and Strategies. Hell! Johnny Sack and Phil Leotardo understood Carmine Sr.'s teachings & examples MORE than Lil Carmine!
@@2025-e4n Lil Carmine in my opinion was mildly pompous, he acted educated, attempted to speak wisdom but ultimately didn't know half of what he talked. besides his wife not wanting him in the life anymore Lil Carmine really didn't suit it, he did shine however with Chrissy on that movie,,, js.
Carmine Sr was so gangster that when he came at The Soprano family for not giving him anything, Tony ends up smiling for cutting him into 15% and Carmine acts like he's the one settling to "put it to bed". What a guy.
At same time i am sure he just "put it to bed" just to stop any conspiracy between Tony and Johnny to kill him and with just this words he stop that conspiracy and still make a profit out of it.
@rudy2fat its more just the idea of the possibility. Carmine rubs me as the kind of character that would accurately weigh the situation without any idealized outcome biased by his own perceived immortality. Most the mobsters in this show felt like they were untouchable except for his son (and in my opinion) him.
This show was always pointing at the fact that New Jersey was new Yorks bitch Carmine was the boss of everything really. Carmine was owed just for being the boss of New yokr
Doesn't this just ignore the "we share Zellman" argument? Tony would benefit from New York's relationship with Zellman too. He wouldn't have the leverage over him alone.
To be frank, New Jersey was, for the course of the series, sliding under New York's thumb. It was inevitable that they would become a proxy of New York eventually, but Carmine and Tony both did well to keep NJ independent for as long as they did without bloodshed breaking out.
@Сергей Шаруев Well NJ was always much weaker than NY. They say Philly alone had more than 200 soldiers in his family. To allow NJ that degree of autonomy for decades was quite dispensative, and it proved to be a wise strategy as when the two eventually did go to war due to Phil's temperament, it ended up gutting both NJ and NY's top leadership Of course, NJ was forced to do errands for NY as well for the duration of the series, but they were never outright annexed
Quite a few poseurs in the comments using words like dispensative, autonomy and annexed but I dont know I guess you deserve some slack you've not been posting on Sopranos Borko videos long. Probably been posting on some glorified mafia channel living off the scraps Borko leaves them. After reading some of these, kids were going to have sit down and get some things straight. Theres no scraps in Borkos scrap book.
I can't believe no one has pointed out the very obvious cue to down bid carmine between Johnny and Tony. Carmine says 20 percent, Tony looks at Johhny and Johnnys eyes dart downward and Tony bids lower and won. Lol Johhny knew how low Carmine was willing to accept. Genius writing in such little movements. 6:40
refresh my memory; why did Johnny want Tony to go lower. I know he wanted Carmine clipped because he was costing everyone money, but once Carmine settled wouldn't Johnny benefit from a larger cut for New York?
@@drunkdave5677 another good point my friend, however I believe in that moment he was helping him out as a friend. Because Tony at this point agreed to whack Carmine and Johhny left him holding his dick in his hand. They had too whack those two moolingans now etc.. I think he believed he owed Tony. Little did he know Tony would fuck him the same way later on. I believe. By pulling out of the next attempt on Carmine's life.
Tony was always happy to accept 15 percent and as carmine said.. in the interest of putting shit to bed.. they sorted it out. If you have an opinion just share it you don't have to be toxic about it lol
More like words of a ball-breaker. Carmine is not concerned about Tony's health at all. He just wanted Tony to know that he knows about Tony's weaknesses ("spells"), and that Tony is seeing a psychiatrist. The rest is just bullshit. Carmine was all about these power moves.
@andraspongracz5996 of course. It was a nice way of saying he knows what's going on in NJ. But that aside, the quote on its own, it's a nice piece of wisdom.
There is a scene where Carmine Lupertazzi says "there is always a compromise". He was a good boss because he could always negotiate and compromise. It was always about business. When Phil became boss, he said "I've compromised everything, not anymore Butchie. Phil was too emotionally attached to the past that he wouldn't compromise on anything, which started the war abd ultimately, his demise. Great writing and acting by everyone involved.
I believe when Carmine said "there is always a compromise", he meant it with the exact opposite intention as you understood it. Johnny Sack suggested that they should find a compromise with Tony Soprano to settle their dispute. Carmine answered "there is always a compromise" in an annoyed tone. I think he meant two things. One of them was addressed to Johnny Sack: "no shit, is there?" as in "thanks for the deep insight, you moron". Secondly, he meant that they should first try to put pressure on Tony and see if he gives way (as they did), and compromise should only be a last resort. Look at the scene again, and pay attention to the context. You will see that Carmine didn't lean towards a compromise at all. ruclips.net/video/kR1IB5inyX8/видео.html
@@andraspongracz5996 I diagree. He looks at Johnny Sac and agrees, there is always a compromise. However, he is then intentionally wound up by his son. Carmine Jr is saying Tony hasn't a been a boss for long and almoat saying that Tony is getting one up on them.
@@karlparratt1730 Carmine Lupertazzi is a subtle ball-breaker. Look at the scene I linked, or this compilation we were watching (the one whose comment section we are in). In the linked scene, he starts out by asking "did you put sunblock on?". This is classic Carmine: something that sounds like a caring question a father would ask his son, but really, it's just getting under others' skin. He means "you guys are feable". He does the same thing with Tony all the time: How are your spells? Does the psychiatrist help? I'm sorry about the marital situation... All these are power moves: he is not really concerned, he just wants Tony to know that he knows, and to twist the knife. In the linked scene, he first insults his son by saying that he thought about Tony as a son. Then he insults Johnny Sack by the compromise comment. He is clearly annoyed and impatient by Sack's advice. He doesn't want a compromise. If you watch the series, you see. When Tony counters his 40% offer by 5.5%, he immediately hangs up and orders one of his low-level thugs to beat up one of Tony's associates. He was trying to force his will on Tony, not making a compromise. This was already clear in the linked scene when little Carmine tells him that Tony approached him and they talked. Carmine clearly expresses that he is unhappy that this happened.
“What’d they re-sod that green?” One of the most underrated lines in the show. Tells the viewers that Johnny Sack doesn’t want Little Carmine butting in on the family affairs.
True, though as Tony reflects later Johnny liked to create tension between the families, but with little Carmine going off script here pissed him off cuz it’s out of his control.
Carmine was probably one of the most moral people in the show in a weird way. He never killed from a place of personal bullshit, didn't backstab, and was all business.
@@shriharihudli whatever happened there?! I'll tell you what happened. This piece of shit's cousin put six bullets in my kid brother without any provocation whatsoever!
@@multiplesifl Imagine, your last meal being a egg fucking salad, some peoeple are stuffing themselves..H'es in no position to go intohe unknown not knowing
“There’s no stigmata these days”. The writing on this show was just brilliant all the way from the plot(s) to language nuances like this. Dark, intriguing, funny all at the same time. There’ll never be another series like it.
Very dignified for being a no no goo crook scumbag. Frankly, all these people are losers, who couldn’t hack it in the real world so they had to run and hide behind crime all their life
I love how Carmine handles himself. Considering how he handles himself compared to everybody else he’s much more capable of handling the position compared to anyone else in the entire show. Besides maybe Bobby, I honestly feel like if Bobby were in control he’d be as calm and collected as Carmine, Bobby doesn’t have all the exterior issues as everyone else seems to deal with, besides Janice she would be a hassle.
Bobby had the makings of a good modern era boss, but nobody was gonna respect where he came from. A glorified babysitter with no bodies under his belt.
Carmine was the only one who conducted himself like a true mob boss. Junior and Carmine Jr. weren’t respected enough, while Tony, Phil, and Johnny Sack were too hotheaded and let their emotions get in the way of being rational in their decision making.
@George Kafiridis Tony Lip was an Italian bouncer/tough guy from Brooklyn who was hired as a driver/body guard for a very famous blank piano player who wanted to do a concert tour of the southern US in the 1960's. They famously became good friends. They're both gone now but they made a movie about it called "Greenbook". ruclips.net/video/6MgbNVbIaEs/видео.html
“Gandolfini got a call in the middle of the night on his cell phone, it was an unknown number. He answers the phone, ‘Hello,’ and the guy on the other line says, ‘Hello,’ and then nobody’s talking. The guy doesn’t identify himself. Guy finally says, ‘Listen, you’re a great actor, we like what you’re doing, but you got to know one thing: A don never wears shorts'. And click, the guy hung up.” -Michael Imperioli
"If you want I got a motorcycle outfit in the car I could go torch some cement trucks blame it on the vipers. Theres a little club I can use as a headquarters while I'm in New York".- CIA Agent Vito Spatafore
“My son was a big help in all this. I want you always to remember that. Even after I'm gone.” I especially enjoy this bit of dialogue from Carmine. It was a nice touch.
apparently gandolfini was approached in real life by someone in the mafia after a few seasons and told him that line, which is why they incorporated it into the tv show.
@Courtney Clark the character Carmine was played by " Tony Lips " he was thr original lead bouncer at the famous mafia hang out spot " cococabana " in ny
Carmine was never wrong in any frame in this show. His logic was sound. Especially with Zelman. They both created Zelman they both reap the benefits of Zelman. Not to mention he was willing to give tony the lion share of the hustle 60/40.
No way. Sharing Zelma doesn’t mean that after Tony literally himself put together a major scam that involved far more than just Zelman that NY should get almost half of it. That’s ridiculous. Don’t forget, Tony should then get 40% of whatever NY earns thru running scams with Zelman.
@@davidanspach1624Lions Share means the largest portion of something, even if it’s only 51/49, the 51% is still the lions share. Yeah Tony would be getting the lions share
Story goes the writer was eating at a restaurant and two mob guys came up to him, told him they liked the show, etc. But the scenes of Tony wearing shorts=Unrealistic, because “the don doesn’t wear shorts”.
That 5% cost Tony his life at the end of the day. And he was greedy and deserved everything he had coming from New York. That was insulting to Carmine.
*What makes Carmine such a well written character in this show is how he influenced the other characters to act.* Tony and the rest of his crew run things like apes. They're sloppy, violent, short-sighted, and unprofessional. But every scene or operation where Carmine is involved, they up their game. Just strictly because of his presence. Obviously that's the natural characteristic of a boss, but it's so well written, it feels real.
0:19 - “There’s no stigmata these days.” People joke about Little Carmine’s malapropisms, but here’s Big Carmine doing it too. Is it maybe evidence of a congenital learning disability?
Carmine was THE BOSS we were shown in the show. Feared, respected, loved. Conspired against, but that trigger was never pulled because of the weight he pulled. And died of natural causes. His family was left prosperous, and happy. Literally the dream of every Boss who followed him.
Am I mistaken or isn't a major contention between Johnny Sac and Tony that Tony abandons the deal to take out Carmine Sr. because Tony now need only pay 15% instead of 40? Johnny says he'll never forget how Tony treated him. He still wanted to take Carmine out.
What you can't see in all these scenes is the accountant and lawyer just out of camera shot, writing down all the percentages and drawing up contracts using all the figures mentioned.
That is the essence of capitalism, taking a cut off other people's labor. Usually is getting a lot more than what you initially put in or what you deserve, but if you are smart enough to present yourself as necessary and inevitable...you take things out of nothing
Tony to himself at 5:50: “It was like a load off my mind. Poor bastard never knew how close he'd come to getting killed. Even if I told him he never would have believed me...”
" I don't know, maybe you can tell me"... Tony had killed Ralph and even went as far as implying New York did it to their faces to prevent even them from suspecting that he had killed Ralph...
Pay attention to that scene, Carmine Sr. Saying that was a very calculated move. By saying that, he’d get little Carmine to spill the beans on tony. Very intelligent.
@@arodgefan589 I don’t think you’re wrong but I think If you compare little Carmine to Tony, Carmine Sr. Would much rather have Tony as his son. Only because Tony was quite literally born for that shit lol, where you can see how dumb little Carmine is in comparison to Tony and you can tell how incapable he would be as a boss of anything. Then you look at Tony who’s got complete command and control of his crew and Carmine Sr can clearly respect that where his son does pretty much nothing until he decides he wants to be boss.
Carmine was never nice. He was sneaking dissing Tony the whole time to show him that he knows about every major thing happening in Newark and that he saw Tony as weak. But hey He ''didnt say nothin''.
Carmine always played chess. He probably sense a coup if he didn’t settle the matter because John had all his money in the construction in Jersey. That’s why he makes it a point to say he not going anywhere.
6:38 Is Johnny showing Tony with his glance downwards that Carmine is willing to go lower than 20%? Perhaps as compensation for Tony to never mention the hit on Carmine Johnny had requested as well as the trouble Tony went through organizing the hit?
What people don't understand about Carmine is he went through what Junior did with a major RICO indictment and made back to the top as boss of a big family. For him, it was all about making back as much money as possible. Tony had more long term plans and knew at some point he was either gonna be thrown in prison or killed.
Carmine was like a tutorial guide for Tony. He really gave him the best advices. He was even chill about the shrink. Probably the only guy who was chill about it (and he was the mf boss of a biggest NY family). When he told Tony that a don doesn't wear shorts, he sent him a message, he knows he's the main guy now, so he wants him to behave like he is equal to him.
Tony telling Chris they were gonna whack Carmine is the same as Capt Kirk telling Spock begin the self destruction sequence on the starship enterprise.
people love Phil when he was the boss, but i gotta say after decades of watching Sopranos I never realized how much I love Carmine the first. And i wouldnt say he was brainless at all. In fact he was probably the smartest out of them all being that he ran the course of his entire lifetime like only junior and maybe paulie to actually make it to seniorhood without life in prison or early death. Also the actor who plays Carmine sounds so effin funny when he talks.
The actors name was Frank Vallelonga Sr. aka Tony Lip, and he led an amazing life. You should look him up on Wikipedia. He really had an amazing story.
0:40 is the proof that, all the highlights to mentioned problems for "being supportive" are bullshit and just a power move.. decimating that pasta = I don't give a fuck actually. God I love Carmine..
I always read comments about Carmine being the real boss, yet Tony came out on top with the negotiations. Tony also could have easily had him killed with the backing of Carmine's own family if he really wanted to. Tony had the upper hand on Carmine throughout parts of the show
Facts. I rewatched the show and Tony really did come out on top over Carmine in some situations. Plus Carmines own underboss was planning with another family to get rid of him. The only reason Carmine was still alive was because Tony backed out at the last second
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Carmine was easily the classiest character in the show. He understood that being a real gangster wasn't about ignorant shit, but about conducting an illegal business with as few skulls to crack as possible.
He was the dying ember of the old ways. A better time for organized crime
Jackie Sr. was the same
What’s sad is that if he wasn’t so stupid and ignorant, than he could’ve made a killing without actually facing the threat of death and incarceration everyday of his life. For all his “smarts” he was a real dummy that took the life of crime over actual hard work
I don’t think it’s that cut and dried, the show questions whether Tony would have become a boss without the influence of his community and father. At the end if the day, I think Tony is cursed because he purposely refuses to change, but there’s also some sneaky ambivalence in there. “ya born into this shit, you are what you are.” Tony blames his genetics for his son’s depression because he is a determinist
@@colechapman3382 Moron. You think honest work will get you anywhere? Why don’t you tell that to a professor or surgeon?
Criminal life is the easiest way to make money. Corruption of infrastructure business is the best, the Hungarians made millions this way after ‘91. As long as you can cover your trail and steal a fraction of a project’s budget, you can escape court in these shithole countries.
I think we all need to be better friends to ourselves.
Some of the realist shit ever said on this show
Person Of Interest why fuck around?
I appreciate your concern, really
@@harpo6254 Wonder where Harpo's eat'n his Sunday dinner ?
@@adamchewy2284 under the boardwalk
I guarantee you Paulie is the reason NY knew about Tony's stigmata.
You don't survive as long as Paulie has in the game, with little jail time that we know of, by not playing both sides and looking for yourself....nearly got him killed though.
funny how Pauli thought Sac was talking to Carmine about him the entire time only for him to find out that Carmine doesn’t even know who he is lol 😂
Stigmata?? I saw that movie i thought it was bullshit
@@stevejones148 Playing both sides is likely to get you killed though and Paulie isnt shown to be bright enough to pull it of for long. He probably survived as long as he did because he was never important enough to be taken out. As far as I can remember he was the oldest soldier in the Soprano family. Everybody else his age was already a capo by the beginning of the show and Paulie was only made capo the second season. He probably flew under the radar for most of his life, because he was never an important member of the Jersey crew.
@@tjanderson5892 to still think how moron paulie was
Its kinda weirdly wholesome how Tony thought he'd be whacked for seeking therapy but all the mobsters are actually super supportive lol
Yeah that would never happen in real life though, haha.
@@evyatarhadar8867 Real life mob guys love the Sopranos, so ironically they probably dont care if people see shrinks anymore
@@DeadManSinging1 I don't see how that's really relevant whether they love the show or not. There's too much risk nowadays for guys like that. They always have to make sure they keep everything to themselves and within the family. The government has too many weapons nowadays.
In real life they'd whack Tony and probably Milfy too, who knows what he's told her about their thing. And it doesnt matter if they like the show ir not, associates talking back to made men would never happen in real life like it does on the show either.
@@DeadManSinging1 Actually, Michael Franzese the ex mob guy repeatedly said that Sopranos is highly unrealistic in that aspect Because in real life if the mob found out the boss was seeing a psychiatrist? The boss and psychiatrist would be found in the trunk.
Carmine Lupetazzi always had a way of getting under Tony's skin, even when he's genuinely trying to be nice.
One other thing tho, a Velez doesn’t wear shorts without re-sodding them.
Except He was not being nice but manipulative and passive aggressive. He just wanted to flex the fact the he knew he was seeing a therapist and by mob standards that’s a reason to whack Tony
@@smileyent.3055 thank you. How nobody sees this is beyond me
He's not genuinely trying to be nice. He's trying to show that he's more powerful and sees everything that Tony is doing while Tony has no idea what he's up to. He brings up something that he thinks makes Tony feel weak, so he looks more powerful and then acts merciful or fatherly toward him.
@@TheMisterGuyyup. Don't think Carmine respected Tony at all. He probably realised that Tony was extremely unprofessional and not a suitable "good boss"
Carmine was the real boss in this show.
No cowboy shit, nothing. Real old school
Allways with the dollars the fucking dollars.
healthy as a fucking rhino this guy!
Lil Carmine (genetically) had the makings of a good Mob Boss ...but he never became one....because Carmine Sr. neglected him by not teaching his son his Principles and Strategies. Hell! Johnny Sack and Phil Leotardo understood Carmine Sr.'s teachings & examples MORE than Lil Carmine!
@@2025-e4n Lil Carmine in my opinion was mildly pompous, he acted educated, attempted to speak wisdom but ultimately didn't know half of what he talked. besides his wife not wanting him in the life anymore Lil Carmine really didn't suit it, he did shine however with Chrissy on that movie,,, js.
Fish lips. That was his problem
Watch the suit!!!
@@LeJobastre1215 hey if i was gonna break your balls i tell you to go home and get your shinebox..
@@purplesword5536 I known ya awwl My Life
They didn’t handle the gherkins too well...
"My son was a big help.." Yeah. Carmine Jr. was always the instigator.
“The Don doesn’t wear shorts” has to be a top 5 underrated line
not "the Don"...it's "Don..." get it right fucking misquoting fanoyk
@Del Boy 😂😂😂😂😂
It was added because real life mobsters told them that the Don would never wear shorts.
@@Tkieron Michael franzese said it was untrue
"Get that egg salad outta his mouth"
Carmine Sr was so gangster that when he came at The Soprano family for not giving him anything, Tony ends up smiling for cutting him into 15% and Carmine acts like he's the one settling to "put it to bed". What a guy.
At same time i am sure he just "put it to bed" just to stop any conspiracy between Tony and Johnny to kill him and with just this words he stop that conspiracy and still make a profit out of it.
No. Carmine was owed.
@rudy2fat its more just the idea of the possibility. Carmine rubs me as the kind of character that would accurately weigh the situation without any idealized outcome biased by his own perceived immortality. Most the mobsters in this show felt like they were untouchable except for his son (and in my opinion) him.
This show was always pointing at the fact that New Jersey was new Yorks bitch
Carmine was the boss of everything really. Carmine was owed just for being the boss of New yokr
Doesn't this just ignore the "we share Zellman" argument? Tony would benefit from New York's relationship with Zellman too. He wouldn't have the leverage over him alone.
To be frank, New Jersey was, for the course of the series, sliding under New York's thumb. It was inevitable that they would become a proxy of New York eventually, but Carmine and Tony both did well to keep NJ independent for as long as they did without bloodshed breaking out.
Very allegorical..
@Сергей Шаруев Well NJ was always much weaker than NY. They say Philly alone had more than 200 soldiers in his family. To allow NJ that degree of autonomy for decades was quite dispensative, and it proved to be a wise strategy as when the two eventually did go to war due to Phil's temperament, it ended up gutting both NJ and NY's top leadership
Of course, NJ was forced to do errands for NY as well for the duration of the series, but they were never outright annexed
The Sopranos always were a glorified crew
Quite a few poseurs in the comments using words like dispensative, autonomy and annexed but I dont know I guess you deserve some slack you've not been posting on Sopranos Borko videos long. Probably been posting on some glorified mafia channel living off the scraps Borko leaves them. After reading some of these, kids were going to have sit down and get some things straight. Theres no scraps in Borkos scrap book.
@@joshschaeffer3300 Me and Borko have been friends for years. I use sock accounts. Talk on it once, then toss it... it's what the Taliban used to do
A borko doesn’t wear shorts...
Indeed I don't.
@@borko1990 not even at a barbeque??
There's no stigmata these days.
AGAIN with the shorts?
@@harpo6254 Yeah, again with da shohts! it's settled, Harpo, so either name a price or get da fuck over it!
I can't believe no one has pointed out the very obvious cue to down bid carmine between Johnny and Tony. Carmine says 20 percent, Tony looks at Johhny and Johnnys eyes dart downward and Tony bids lower and won. Lol Johhny knew how low Carmine was willing to accept. Genius writing in such little movements.
6:40
refresh my memory; why did Johnny want Tony to go lower. I know he wanted Carmine clipped because he was costing everyone money, but once Carmine settled wouldn't Johnny benefit from a larger cut for New York?
@@drunkdave5677 another good point my friend, however I believe in that moment he was helping him out as a friend. Because Tony at this point agreed to whack Carmine and Johhny left him holding his dick in his hand. They had too whack those two moolingans now etc.. I think he believed he owed Tony. Little did he know Tony would fuck him the same way later on. I believe. By pulling out of the next attempt on Carmine's life.
"Tony won". Yeah. Carmine starts at 0%, begins a feud, and gets 15%. But Tony "won". lmao.
Tony was always happy to accept 15 percent and as carmine said.. in the interest of putting shit to bed.. they sorted it out. If you have an opinion just share it you don't have to be toxic about it lol
Seemed more like Johnny's facial expression was less a signal to Tony and instead simply John's acceptance to the situation.
Did Johnny Sack ever get an answer on whether or not that green was resodded?
Another important question we’ll never get the proper answer for.
I dnt think so it was something 2 do with chickory
it was done by a couple a black guys from jersey.
The greenkeeper was in a beef with the Jew
Liam 67 What?! Goddammmmit what?!
"Be a better friend to yourself"
Words of wisdom.
Never lied. Health Is Wealth.
More like words of a ball-breaker. Carmine is not concerned about Tony's health at all. He just wanted Tony to know that he knows about Tony's weaknesses ("spells"), and that Tony is seeing a psychiatrist. The rest is just bullshit. Carmine was all about these power moves.
@andraspongracz5996 of course. It was a nice way of saying he knows what's going on in NJ. But that aside, the quote on its own, it's a nice piece of wisdom.
There is a scene where Carmine Lupertazzi says "there is always a compromise". He was a good boss because he could always negotiate and compromise. It was always about business.
When Phil became boss, he said "I've compromised everything, not anymore Butchie.
Phil was too emotionally attached to the past that he wouldn't compromise on anything, which started the war abd ultimately, his demise.
Great writing and acting by everyone involved.
20 years in the can. I wanted manigot. I compromised, i ate grilled cheese off the radiatior.
I believe when Carmine said "there is always a compromise", he meant it with the exact opposite intention as you understood it. Johnny Sack suggested that they should find a compromise with Tony Soprano to settle their dispute. Carmine answered "there is always a compromise" in an annoyed tone. I think he meant two things. One of them was addressed to Johnny Sack: "no shit, is there?" as in "thanks for the deep insight, you moron". Secondly, he meant that they should first try to put pressure on Tony and see if he gives way (as they did), and compromise should only be a last resort. Look at the scene again, and pay attention to the context. You will see that Carmine didn't lean towards a compromise at all.
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@@andraspongracz5996 I diagree. He looks at Johnny Sac and agrees, there is always a compromise.
However, he is then intentionally wound up by his son. Carmine Jr is saying Tony hasn't a been a boss for long and almoat saying that Tony is getting one up on them.
@@karlparratt1730 Carmine Lupertazzi is a subtle ball-breaker. Look at the scene I linked, or this compilation we were watching (the one whose comment section we are in). In the linked scene, he starts out by asking "did you put sunblock on?". This is classic Carmine: something that sounds like a caring question a father would ask his son, but really, it's just getting under others' skin. He means "you guys are feable". He does the same thing with Tony all the time: How are your spells? Does the psychiatrist help? I'm sorry about the marital situation... All these are power moves: he is not really concerned, he just wants Tony to know that he knows, and to twist the knife. In the linked scene, he first insults his son by saying that he thought about Tony as a son. Then he insults Johnny Sack by the compromise comment. He is clearly annoyed and impatient by Sack's advice. He doesn't want a compromise. If you watch the series, you see. When Tony counters his 40% offer by 5.5%, he immediately hangs up and orders one of his low-level thugs to beat up one of Tony's associates. He was trying to force his will on Tony, not making a compromise. This was already clear in the linked scene when little Carmine tells him that Tony approached him and they talked. Carmine clearly expresses that he is unhappy that this happened.
“What’d they re-sod that green?” One of the most underrated lines in the show. Tells the viewers that Johnny Sack doesn’t want Little Carmine butting in on the family affairs.
Pass the bread
ya gotta cut him some slack i mean, he hasnt been boss of a family that long.
@@deathrager2404 family?? They’re a glorified crew
True, though as Tony reflects later Johnny liked to create tension between the families, but with little Carmine going off script here pissed him off cuz it’s out of his control.
I fuckin' hate that shi'
Carmine was probably one of the most moral people in the show in a weird way. He never killed from a place of personal bullshit, didn't backstab, and was all business.
It’s a shame someone burned hair around him, whatever happened there
@@fezilemkohli6844whatever happened there??
@@yourex-zq2shGod rest his soul.
@@shriharihudli whatever happened there?! I'll tell you what happened. This piece of shit's cousin put six bullets in my kid brother without any provocation whatsoever!
Business before leisure. Thats Carmine.
RUclips , we’ve been down this road before. Borko shares with us. Any fruits from us , Borko is entitled too.
a pint of blood is worth more than a gallon of milk
RUclips: You got nothing coming to you. You or Borko
A Don doesn't eat egg salad sandwiches
Only gabagool right??
Imagine your last meal being egg fucking salad. Disgusting.
@@purplesword5536 Gabagool??!!?? Ova heeerrreee!!
@@multiplesifl I imagine that egg salad is all they serve in hell.
@@multiplesifl Imagine, your last meal being a egg fucking salad, some peoeple are stuffing themselves..H'es in no position to go intohe unknown not knowing
"I haven't wanted to do this, but it's gotta be done....CALL THE UNION" Most boss move ever
Rat move
@@SovietRoscour low iq
Raise the banners! - Rob Stark
organized crime's influence on labor unions is anything but admirable.
@@missbelled6700 how do they work?
“There’s no stigmata these days”. The writing on this show was just brilliant all the way from the plot(s) to language nuances like this.
Dark, intriguing, funny all at the same time.
There’ll never be another series like it.
“There’s nothing to be ashamed of, even Julius Caesar was an epileptic.”
“I’m not epileptic.”
HBO: Just talked with Borko he's ready to settle
RUclips: are you kidding me everythings in motion.
HBO: welcome to my world
Carmine letting Tony know that he's got eyes and ears everywhere. Unlike Tony's glorified crew Carmine runs a well oiled machine 👌
I liked Carmine . He had a very dignified presence about him .
You and coco, whatever happened there
Dick Jackman The little cream on da mouth
@@1122reyes Finn and Vito, catching and pitching.
I think he's loosely based on Carlo Gambino, who was the prototypical silent but deadly Mafia boss.
Very dignified for being a no no goo crook scumbag. Frankly, all these people are losers, who couldn’t hack it in the real world so they had to run and hide behind crime all their life
Family? They’re a glorified social club!
Social club? He's gadda GO!
i appreciate your thoughts
I didn't say nuttin'
And the thing with the Vito whatever happened there.
@@greatdude7279 what happened there ? See if I can make that happen for you.
I love how Carmine handles himself. Considering how he handles himself compared to everybody else he’s much more capable of handling the position compared to anyone else in the entire show. Besides maybe Bobby, I honestly feel like if Bobby were in control he’d be as calm and collected as Carmine, Bobby doesn’t have all the exterior issues as everyone else seems to deal with, besides Janice she would be a hassle.
Meh, Bobby wouldn't be the man i'd put in charge. Maybe third in command. Carmine represented the old timers, the dying breed of gangsters.
Bobby had the makings of a good modern era boss, but nobody was gonna respect where he came from. A glorified babysitter with no bodies under his belt.
@@MrRyan-wu4jx he murked that one Canadian guy. Not that he was some big gangster but he still did it.
I thought Rusty would've made a good boss
Carmine was the only one who conducted himself like a true mob boss. Junior and Carmine Jr. weren’t respected enough, while Tony, Phil, and Johnny Sack were too hotheaded and let their emotions get in the way of being rational in their decision making.
Played by Tony Lip. The character Viggo Mortensen plays in Green Book
What!!?? How did I not know this!!!???
I had no idea Tony Lip had even acted!
@George Kafiridis Tony Lip was an Italian bouncer/tough guy from Brooklyn who was hired as a driver/body guard for a very famous blank piano player who wanted to do a concert tour of the southern US in the 1960's. They famously became good friends. They're both gone now but they made a movie about it called "Greenbook".
ruclips.net/video/6MgbNVbIaEs/видео.html
@George Kafiridis no worries! It's a great movie!
@@Caesar316 It really was. And Linda Cardellini was in it. She's no Angie Dickinson, but still.
"Shaking dat ass, Shaking dat ass!" what eva happen dere?
Early 2000s dats what happened dere!
Up in da club!
LOL
What ever happened there?!?11?
just watch the entire scene and you’ll understand 👀
"There's no stigmata these days." 😂
Akshay some real Guinea stuff.
I never understood why people find this funny. It's an eloquent statement, perhaps a bit unusual, but it makes perfect sense.
@@andraspongracz5996 because it's "stigma" not the fucking "stigmata" haha.
@@syok1107 Stigmata is the plural of stigma, haha.
@@andraspongracz5996 You know, that's really funny, I had no idea that's another legitimate way to say stigmas lmao
“Gandolfini got a call in the middle of the night on his cell phone, it was an unknown number. He answers the phone, ‘Hello,’ and the guy on the other line says, ‘Hello,’ and then nobody’s talking. The guy doesn’t identify himself. Guy finally says, ‘Listen, you’re a great actor, we like what you’re doing, but you got to know one thing: A don never wears shorts'. And click, the guy hung up.” -Michael Imperioli
Turns out it was Kermit the frog.
Guess what thing Michael imperioli and Pinocchio have in common? Well 2 things.
Carmine Lupratazzi is the kind of boss which you don't even see in the legitimate corporate world. A perfect boss.
" He likes to talk the talk. His shoes, his shinebox. "
Bit of a poseur if u ask me..
What they reshine that green?
@@harpo6254 No more shines, Billy
@@batefather4457 wondah wheah harpo's eatin his sunday dinnah
Look at how Tony got upset after ‘the shorts’ remark. It almost looked like Tone had to throw away his shorts collection.
But He wore em at Hugh's 75th B-Day party
I wore them in his pool
Ralph slept with Ginny? There are millions of dollars at stake.
Well given Ralph's weird fetishes that would be boththe most normal and bizarre thing he did with sex.
Again with the money??
@@Lupinthe3rd. Ralph is a masochist. He probably wouldn’t mind Ginny crushing his skull under that bakery she carries around.
@@Srinidhi00726 Yeah, again with the money.
"If you want I got a motorcycle outfit in the car I could go torch some cement trucks blame it on the vipers. Theres a little club I can use as a headquarters while I'm in New York".- CIA Agent Vito Spatafore
If you want, I could blow a couple of his security guards
“My son was a big help in all this. I want you always to remember that. Even after I'm gone.” I especially enjoy this bit of dialogue from Carmine. It was a nice touch.
Carmine Sr. had a way of criticizing Tony without being belligerent the way Tony, Johnny Sack, and Phil did.
Carmine was all business. Even after Johnny Sack wanted to avenge his wife joke situation , Carmine said no for the interest of business.
"Stigmata"
Brainless the first.
andrewschannel sounds like a real stagmire.
Stigmata is plural of stigma
That Dude
Merriam Webster ova hea
@@ongbruhlol you mean charles schwab
@@thatdude3938 Christians stole the word apparently
“No stigmata these days” So Little Carmine picked up the malapropism from dad.
ironically thats correct usage
Congenital learning disability, maybe?
Carmine was the only one to get under Tony's skin ..."don doesn't wear shorts" best line I have heard to check someone
everyone got under Tony's skin
apparently gandolfini was approached in real life by someone in the mafia after a few seasons and told him that line, which is why they incorporated it into the tv show.
Really ?! What about his cousin the Animal. "Boy are you fat!"
@Courtney Clark the character Carmine was played by " Tony Lips " he was thr original lead bouncer at the famous mafia hang out spot " cococabana " in ny
@John Juarez Tony b was out of line ..you don't put down your family memeber in front of others especially THE BOSS
Carmine was never wrong in any frame in this show. His logic was sound. Especially with Zelman. They both created Zelman they both reap the benefits of Zelman. Not to mention he was willing to give tony the lion share of the hustle 60/40.
No way. Sharing Zelma doesn’t mean that after Tony literally himself put together a major scam that involved far more than just Zelman that NY should get almost half of it. That’s ridiculous. Don’t forget, Tony should then get 40% of whatever NY earns thru running scams with Zelman.
60/40 is not the lion's share.
@@davidanspach1624Lions Share means the largest portion of something, even if it’s only 51/49, the 51% is still the lions share. Yeah Tony would be getting the lions share
A don doesn't wear shorts.. Period.. End of story..
A Purple doesn't wear swords.
@@adamchewy2284 shudd up ill give ya a crack..
There's no stigmata these days
@@James_Price79 Thank you Mr Price Jr.......SIR...
Story goes the writer was eating at a restaurant and two mob guys came up to him, told him they liked the show, etc. But the scenes of Tony wearing shorts=Unrealistic, because “the don doesn’t wear shorts”.
"healthy as a fkn rhino this guy" idk why that line cracks me up so much 😂😂😂
Rhinos are a commonly known endangered species lol
Carmine should’ve been there from the start dude, he’s my favorite character and a well developed one. Thanks for reading this ☺️
That 5% cost Tony his life at the end of the day. And he was greedy and deserved everything he had coming from New York. That was insulting to Carmine.
never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Johnny Sac - Healthy as an effing rhino.
Tony - you stay that way
Johnny Sac to Christopher - And you should still be in the car.
5:57 doesn’t even acknowledge Christofa haha
Christofer who...Moltisanti? Acknowledge what?
@@chochopav Didn't his father get run over by a trolley?
He was too low in the hierarchy, lol.
He's a nobody.
He’s a zero with shoes
“A Don doesn’t wear shorts”……. I think that is the best line in the whole series. Perfect
You're at the precipice of an enormous crossroad.
and now you're in a stagmire.
@@1122reyes NOBODIES GOT AIDS!
I wish Carmine would remove 100% of his combover.
he resods it every mornin
All combovers in his hair are irrigated
What if he cuts out 15%
Love how Carmine Snr keeps patting down Tony Soprano under his jacket everytime they hug on a deal!
He aint no fool!!!
Even if this is bs it’s a great line my friend
*What makes Carmine such a well written character in this show is how he influenced the other characters to act.*
Tony and the rest of his crew run things like apes. They're sloppy, violent, short-sighted, and unprofessional.
But every scene or operation where Carmine is involved, they up their game. Just strictly because of his presence.
Obviously that's the natural characteristic of a boss, but it's so well written, it feels real.
0:19 - “There’s no stigmata these days.” People joke about Little Carmine’s malapropisms, but here’s Big Carmine doing it too. Is it maybe evidence of a congenital learning disability?
No stigma about it these days
Carmine was THE BOSS we were shown in the show. Feared, respected, loved. Conspired against, but that trigger was never pulled because of the weight he pulled. And died of natural causes. His family was left prosperous, and happy. Literally the dream of every Boss who followed him.
"Healthy as funking rhino" translated "we are definitely not killing him"
"You stay that way" translated "I agree"
Am I mistaken or isn't a major contention between Johnny Sac and Tony that Tony abandons the deal to take out Carmine Sr. because Tony now need only pay 15% instead of 40? Johnny says he'll never forget how Tony treated him. He still wanted to take Carmine out.
This is was a great Borko video, love these fast summaries of big stories.
What you can't see in all these scenes is the accountant and lawyer just out of camera shot, writing down all the percentages and drawing up contracts using all the figures mentioned.
Borko Isn't a channel, he's a glorified Sopranos video uploader
I agree.
Tony really was never not getting played by NY. They celebrated getting Carmine down to 15% for a deal that really had 0% to do with NY.
CharlesSchwab ova here
That is the essence of capitalism, taking a cut off other people's labor. Usually is getting a lot more than what you initially put in or what you deserve, but if you are smart enough to present yourself as necessary and inevitable...you take things out of nothing
@@bartzhang391 Leon Trotsky ova here
The thing is .... they're a glorified crew. They got redundant upper management that bleeds off half the kick.
"There's no stigmata these days." Carmine taught his son well lmao.
”A don doesn’t wear shorts. ” One of the best lines in the series.
Said to James Gandolfini in a anonymous phone call in the middle of the night
Tony to himself at 5:50:
“It was like a load off my mind. Poor bastard never knew how close he'd come to getting killed. Even if I told him he never would have believed me...”
" I don't know, maybe you can tell me"... Tony had killed Ralph and even went as far as implying New York did it to their faces to prevent even them from suspecting that he had killed Ralph...
i love how tony blames johnny sac for ralphs disappearance
I love smooth carmine was being able to effortlessly diss Tony and Tony not be able to do anything about it lol
Tony was essentially the son Carmine wishes he had... he even said as much.
Pay attention to that scene, Carmine Sr. Saying that was a very calculated move. By saying that, he’d get little Carmine to spill the beans on tony. Very intelligent.
But he never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
@@arodgefan589 I don’t think you’re wrong but I think If you compare little Carmine to Tony, Carmine Sr. Would much rather have Tony as his son. Only because Tony was quite literally born for that shit lol, where you can see how dumb little Carmine is in comparison to Tony and you can tell how incapable he would be as a boss of anything. Then you look at Tony who’s got complete command and control of his crew and Carmine Sr can clearly respect that where his son does pretty much nothing until he decides he wants to be boss.
@@sergiomendoza4850 does Tony really have command of his crew, when he’s got several members leaking to the FBI?
he loved him like a brother in law
A sit down between Jackie Aprile Sr and Carmine Sr would have been a sight to see.
Jackie would've been kissing ass
Again with the uploads??
Borko: Yeah again with the uploads!
Carmine was never nice. He was sneaking dissing Tony the whole time to show him that he knows about every major thing happening in Newark and that he saw Tony as weak. But hey He ''didnt say nothin''.
I just love when Johnny Sacks phone rings and Carmine turns around and says “answer the fucking thing”
Carmine always played chess. He probably sense a coup if he didn’t settle the matter because John had all his money in the construction in Jersey. That’s why he makes it a point to say he not going anywhere.
Truthfully Speaking.....
Carmine checking Tony for a wire low key but he slides his hand up his back under his blazer that’s some OG tactics
6:38 Is Johnny showing Tony with his glance downwards that Carmine is willing to go lower than 20%? Perhaps as compensation for Tony to never mention the hit on Carmine Johnny had requested as well as the trouble Tony went through organizing the hit?
Well spotted, I thought so too
Closing down a construction site is Vito's worst nightmare.
Borko's been doing his RUclips thing a long time with The Sopranos, in a peaceful and non-profitable way. And we wanna keep it like that.
Best like diss in the sopranos from one boss to another “ a Don doesn’t wear shorts “
I love how "Vic the appraiser" is all the info u need to find the guy lol
Notice how Carmine hugs Tony? This how the mob guys check each other for wires.
Carmine knew how valuable it was to create a little dysentery amongst the ranks over there in New Jersey
"Why fuck around, be a better friend to yourself "
I wish someone had given me this advice 20 years ago.
What people don't understand about Carmine is he went through what Junior did with a major RICO indictment and made back to the top as boss of a big family. For him, it was all about making back as much money as possible. Tony had more long term plans and knew at some point he was either gonna be thrown in prison or killed.
" theres no more STIGMATA these days..." LMAO
Carmine was like a tutorial guide for Tony. He really gave him the best advices. He was even chill about the shrink. Probably the only guy who was chill about it (and he was the mf boss of a biggest NY family). When he told Tony that a don doesn't wear shorts, he sent him a message, he knows he's the main guy now, so he wants him to behave like he is equal to him.
longer videos now great
Don't get used to them :(
@@borko1990 that HBO thing amirite??
Everything fell apart when Carmine died.
Dude deserves a "subscribe" for all these.
Tony telling Chris they were gonna whack Carmine is the same as Capt Kirk telling Spock begin the self destruction sequence on the starship enterprise.
people love Phil when he was the boss, but i gotta say after decades of watching Sopranos I never realized how much I love Carmine the first. And i wouldnt say he was brainless at all. In fact he was probably the smartest out of them all being that he ran the course of his entire lifetime like only junior and maybe paulie to actually make it to seniorhood without life in prison or early death. Also the actor who plays Carmine sounds so effin funny when he talks.
The actors name was Frank Vallelonga Sr. aka Tony Lip, and he led an amazing life. You should look him up on Wikipedia. He really had an amazing story.
@@jamesteegardner2273 i did b4 and again just now whats so great about his wiki?
And don't forget Carmine Sr was boss of his family since his 20s or 30s not even tony probably lasted that long as boss
1:48 reminds me of taking a mission from the game Mafia
"I will be an effective boss, but until then, it will be hard to verify"... Carmine Jr... Lol...
Carmine= HBO
Tony= Borko
so what you're sayin is that borko is a glorified crew
I always thought of HBO as the feds
As long as the shinebox is irrigated....alright w me
Carmine probably knew about the plan between Tony and Johnny Sack.
Instinct 100% spot on
“There a glorified crew.”
After I heard that saying from Carmine, I realized not all of Tony’s associates are of the Soprano blood.
0:40 is the proof that, all the highlights to mentioned problems for "being supportive" are bullshit and just a power move.. decimating that pasta = I don't give a fuck actually.
God I love Carmine..
I always read comments about Carmine being the real boss, yet Tony came out on top with the negotiations. Tony also could have easily had him killed with the backing of Carmine's own family if he really wanted to. Tony had the upper hand on Carmine throughout parts of the show
Facts. I rewatched the show and Tony really did come out on top over Carmine in some situations. Plus Carmines own underboss was planning with another family to get rid of him. The only reason Carmine was still alive was because Tony backed out at the last second
But winning got him whacked
They will never be a show as good as this again and I mean never
Johnny Sack looked down, signaling to Tony that Carmine would take less. Smooth having him there on his side in some ways....