Thank you for making a great video! You pretty much nailed everything. A couple things I can add. 1. This was likely cut between late 2014 and early 2015. Very late cut. Even though it's not very polished compared to final release materials, it's still pretty close to finished by game dev standards. 2. The transition to the conjunction pretty much just happens as Geralt and Yen run along that beach after they finish talking. If you pay attention in the final game Yen portals Geralt right to that beach and then the conjunction starts. The portal was the best thing they could probably think of to connect the Eredin fight to the conjunction. It was too late for any major rewrites. 3. You're right about the scene placements. They are all missing from the level data and I had to make my best guess. I am 99% sure the wake up scene took place in that building. All the beds there were placed by CDPR and do appear in the final game. They are just unused. It's also labeled as a field hospital in the level data. As for the exact bed the scene happened I'm not sure. I tried all the beds and picked the one the scene looked the least bad in. The Yen meetup took place somewhere just outside of the hospital but I couldn't perfectly pinpoint it. All three encounters with the soldiers were my best guess. The first group should been near the water with a pile of bodies but the pile of bodies had been removed from the level. The second group should have been near a campfire there were only a few to choose from. I have no idea where the last group with the prisoners was supposed to be so I just picked a place where the scene fit. The Crach funeral was the hardest to place by far since there is nowhere in the camp that it can physically fit without major clipping. The only indication that I had that it took place just outside the camp were coordinates in the file that controls Yennefer's spawn locations. I'm 100% sure the arrest scene took place in that tent since it's marked as lodge_tent in the level data. However the furniture had likely been rearranged to some degree after the content was cut leading to the clipping. 4. The animation data for the actual arrest part is missing however I did find the dialogue so I showed that. It's a pretty action heavily scene with special effects so it was actually mocapped unlike the rest of the scene which was manually assembled from library animations. Based on indication in the files it is likely that this mocap was completed and implemented into the game. I just can't find the actual data for it.
A cut of this size would be a late cut, that's when they can get a better feel for the flow of the game and the flow is better as it is though a tad jarring to go from a battle amongst ships and ice to why are they there charging into the island doesn't really fit scene. Better I think would have incorporated the betrayal but cut the rest, Yen teleports Geralt to the camp, the ships and battle still happening off the coast, meet Triss on the beach for the gift transfer, follow Yen straight to the lodge tent, betrayal scene, then exit the tent and teleport to the snow covered trail leading to the ruined tower just as the conjunction begins where the exit the tent comments can commence. That would have removed the what's going on and horse ride part that kinda doesn't fit in my opinion, and give the player a small break from all the action. And there should have been a break from all the action there as player excitement and adrenaline is wearing off. Constant fast paced is just as bad as constant slow pace, breaks between action makes the action more enjoyable.
Thanks for revealing and organizing this content. Was there any appearance of Keira Metz? I realize it's quite possible depending on your choices that she's dead at this point. I was just curious if there was a version of the scene where Yennefer betrays the lodge with Keira since she could be alive if you pick the right option on Fyke Isle.
This has yet again reminded me of how nice it would be to have one of the main writers talk about all the scrapped plots and ideas, both those like these, which were evidently quite developed and elaborate, and those that were abandoned before any real work took place
@@birbidboxer I'm sure there's at least one of them that would love to talk about it. but sadly I'm also pretty sure there's some kind of NDA stopping that.
This video took me quite a while to put out since I went back and forth between making it more of a walkthrough or more of a commentary but I hope it turned out well in the end :) Curious to hear your thoughts of it, and once again big thanks to mr. glassfish
Great video, it's a shame that unfortunately this support update for mods in the game didn't reach the consoles either, I thought that cd projekt was going to follow the same thing that Bethesda did with Skyrim and Fallout 4 before it supports mods on consoles.
@@Synthia17 Seeing how buffed Geralt is in Witcher 3 with all his crazy extra mutations and feats, he could probably kill all those soldiers even if they tried
@mikshin9825 the skyrim modding community is way bigger than the witcher so yea it is pretty amazing this man still keeps it interesting that to finds things that are in the game so many years later too
People still playing this game also buying ex my self i purchased this game 20 days ago and finished today then got addicted to all the witcher videos so ya some game still alive today after more then 10+ years
I think part of the reason, why the scene where Yennifer betrays the Lodge was removed is because of the scene where Geralt and her free Margarita (and mercy kill Sheala). I don't think it would be out of character for her to betray the Lodge because Yen can be very pragmatic and ruthless, but subjecting them to imprisonment and torture after having a scene where she shows sympathy and pity for the captured mages, makes her look like a massive hypocrite and liar (because she did lie to both the lodge AND Geralt about the amnesty). I don't think it's good to have such a scene at the end of the game where romances and so on are locked in.
OTOH it's extremely on-brand for the Witcher. Yen shows multiple times she will be ruthless and cruel in her pursuit of Ciri (and in the books she is also a massive hypocrite and frequent liar), so if you romance her you should know that's what you are getting. The main issue with the cut scenes is the flow, as it makes Eradin kind of a side-show to the real finale, though TBH he is, I personally didn't find the Eradin fight at all interesting - the one vs his sorcerer was more enjoyable. I would have preferred the cut scenes be included.
Letalis trolling with those horrible Witcher TV series pictures. Just want so say, I am so glad you are still around. Your videos and voice is a comfort. I hope you and your family are happy, and in great health. I recall someone was sick at some point. Much love, Letalis.
23:43 OMFG, that's soo cold. I am in the middle of reading the books again, and the way Geralt talks to Yennefer here compared to the books, damn. If you chose triss in witcher 3 and get this dialogue you know it's over. Brutal.
In the books, Yennefer was detained by the Lodge as certain members thought she was part of Vilgefortz’ plot at Thanedd. Interestingly, it was Fringilla who helped her escape from Phillppa’s castle. And of course, the Lodge also tried to force Ciri into becoming the concubine of the Koviri crown prince. The whole reason Ciri, Triss, Geralt, and Yennefer were going to meet in Rivia (where the latter two were attacked and basically died) was a final meet up before Ciri was to be taken to Kovir. Based on the history, it’s not outside the realm of possibility Yennefer would betray them based on the book canon.
Im not sure I'd agree, from a book standpoint. I think yen was in conflict with the lodge not because it exists, but because they have plans for ciri that goes against what ciri wants. Yen would be smart enough to understand that any gain made by throwing fellow sorceresses under the bus would be extremely tenuous, with the witch hunts in the north and the tight leash for mages in the south. Whos to say that emhyr wont turn on her once the war's won? She hates certain characters, like phillipa and fringilla, because of their eagerness to use ciri for their own political ends, and for their general schemes to control all the continent. but not so far as to cause their deaths. yen's self-serving, but not evil. this choice would learn a bit to far towards evil, in my opinion.
She would be forgivable to some members like Margita, Keira or Triss but NOT FOR Phillipa. Not a single chance for her! If Lodge were lead by anyone other than Phillipa, Sheala or Sabrina, they might have been more decent
@@joeh5411 I agree. I can see Yen happily handing over Phillipa and Fringilla, but not Keira and certainly not Margarite. Marg is literally the only witch in the lodge that has no interest in politics and schemes and is only there for the sake of her witch's school. She's quite literally one of the more morally righteous characters in comparison to the rest of the lodge. It pissed me off to see her betrayed. Hell, even in the cut content, she's such a nice person she doesn't even call out Yen for the betrayal, while Fringilla and Phillipa has choice words.
I watched this entire video and I must say that I, personally, love the hell out of this cut content and even prefered it instead of the original. Imagine the story where is no bitter endings. Where there is a hella dark revelation which might turn the hate on Yen, but still makes it compassionable because you can see that she's actually getting hurt by what she's doing and yet there wasn't any other way. This might not be perfect, but it's dark and fits the Witcher atmosphere so damn well, making the entire final battle even more rememberable. Thanks for showing this content and I am very keen on future vids about REDkit mods or cut content from you. The best Witcher RUclipsr out there, bro.
Agree with this. Most people think Yennefer's character gets ruined by it but it's just not true. It's not like she does it because SHE wants to, it's because she's forced to by Emhyr and still she risks everything by saving Triss either way, who was no threat to Ciri, unlike the rest of the Lodge, which definitely were and even still are - due to their schemes. Also doesn't ruin the pacing in my opinion. The pacing of that last quest was going too fast for me since it plays a huge role for the lore, after all. "One thing at a time", so to speak ...
@@crygreg8484 She's not forced to do this actually. She doesn't need Emhyr anymore, certainly not for locating Ciri or fighting Avallach. So why serve the lodge on a silver platter?
@@mrlucky9157 well, because of two things: first, is that they probably had this plan since the beginning of the story. So it was an offer she couldn’t refuse alongside finding Ciri. Or you really think that it’s wise to go against the most powerful empire in the world? Second, because the lodge is actually dangerous for her and for Ciri. She understands that there aren’t any heartwarming friends like Triss. I mean, Phillippa literally says that she wants to get rid of Yen. I don’t know her relationship with Fringilia or Margarita, but I believe they were at least the “collateral damage” to get rid of Phillippa. Yennifer might be harsh, demanding and cruel sometimes, but she’s not evil and she doesn’t enjoy doing terrible things.
@@mrlucky9157 What @cloke3076 says. She DOES need Emhyr still and the Lodge too. She hasn't found Ciri yet and when Emhyr enters she's shocked because she realizes, now she has to do what she's been told since ... you know ... she's in a camp full of enemies that would mean her death (and Geralt's). And she was very much forced to do the Emperor's bidding until Ciri was safe and sound. Also, the only who REALLY didn't deserve it was Margarita. And Triss but she escaped due to Yennefer, something she even says brought a great risk with it.
I always assumed that they didn't talk about the lodge because the final book explains that the lodge was destroyed and Phillipa was tortured to death so they didn't want to mess with the canon
Knowing CDPR they probably would've included a "good" ending for the lodge if you choose the right options during your PT. Like getting rid of Radovid and making sure Ciri is empress.
Wonder if that would have made more people like the empress ending. As far as I have seen mostly everyone* prefers the witcher ending because it fits with what Ciri and Geralt wants, but the empress ending is arguably much better for the world at large. If it meant they could save some characters I'm sure some people would have gone for it.
@@EmhyrvarSpice "but the empress ending is arguably much better for the world at large." I don't know how true that is. People seem to forget that Dandelion is the narrator, so of course Ciri is painted in a positive light in the ending, but we don't really know how she would fare as a ruler or how much better it would be from having Morvran as the ruler (which is book canon).
@@Bronzescorpion I guess Dandelion could be fudging the truth a bit. Besides if the witcher 4 is about Ciri then they would probably skip that possibility or have her run away/abandon her position anyway.
@@Bronzescorpion Morvran implies he would be wed to Ciri, and given Ciri's disinterest in politics it would probably end up as just Morvran doing the ruling.
Glad they shit canned this plot line. Its too far out of character for Yen. Developers likely realized this was simply an ridiculous character assassination on Yennifer by a jealous Triss fan/CDPR employee
I like to see a mod where you can play gwent against characters like Emhyr or the Unseen Elder. Imagine gambling Olgierds life by playing gwent against Gaunter.
At 5:12 I feel like "An ordinary day at war" might be a nod at the German "All quiet at the western front" Or more accurately from the German title "Nothing new at the western front" very similar themes at least
I think it makes sense. Yennifer selling out the Lodge just makes her irredeemable imo. I've read all the books and played the games; I know Yen is no angel. But even for her, this feels like a step too far. She's never seen eye-to-eye with the Lodge, but selling out the sorceresses just feels out of character for her. Yen is selfish, but not to the point of backstabbing friends to a death sentence.
No tears for the lodge. After the Wild Hunt they were the biggest threat to Ciri/Yen/Geralt. I really wish this part was included, but it is undeniable that it would ruin the pacing of the ending.
Absolutely I truly have no Idea why they cut this ending and after playing the Witcher 2 they really do deserve this ending as they are the ones who conspired to kill Foltest and they just caused unnecessary chaos The Witcher 3 overall seems like it was toned down for the "General Audience" compared to The Witcher 2 which was brutal
@@انا_ابراهيم_البناوي Also in the books in the ending, it's clear that the Lodge have no intention of letting Ciri go and removing Geralt and Yen from the picture if need be. The massacre of Rivia took care of all that though.
*Wow This whole section looks almost finished, must have been scrapped last minute to keep the tension rolling and the action preserved. This explains the absence of the other sorceresses throughout the whole endgame section. Really Interesting Stuff. Hope we will Find some important Cut Content Related to Radovid Assassination Mission. Great Work!!! XLetalis and Mr. Glassfish.*
I honestly think they should've kept it in the game maybe had different outcomes for this ending but this ending is really like the Witcher 2 the Witcher 2 had this kind of surprising and debatable endings but it seems like the Witcher 3 got very toned down which is in my opinion really made the game feel lacking
I think it was removed because it messed up the pacing, as you said. Its a very long segment in the middle of two action driven scenes. But it fits with the canon parts and why there are not ending slides for the lodge members(remember there is one for Keira, but not the others). It is also possible they didnt have time to finish it, or change opinion at the last minute. But i wonder why the Emperor would want to interrogate them? what the hell for? what they could possibly tell him.
The pacing is already messed up because you go from defeating Eredin to Conjunction and End of the world in seconds. This would've improved the pacing, allowing time to breath
Interrogation is probably related to the events of the Witcher 2 game. Philippa could at this moment still have control of Saskia, and the rest of the lodge still know a lot about the other rulers of the North and any possible surviving heirs that might some day challenge Emyr's rule.
Not surprising at all really, Yen doesn't play around when it comes to protecting Ciri. Also this makes a LOT more sense for Emhyr's character, knowing he'd get his prisoner back and more if he cut the deal with Yen.
@@Diego-rt2ot yennefer spends a good chunk of the books in a chair being tortured to protect ciri, I would not put it past her to have the lodge (who doesn't gaf about her and is responsible for a lot of whats going on in the world considering TW2) arrested and judged by Nilfgaard.
@@ItsMeStrider But it was she herself that I suffered for her. She didn't sell anyone out, Margarita is her good friend from school, even Frinnglia helped her in some way and she was very close to Geralt even if she used him. I just don't see Yennefer handing over sorceresses to torture and death to Emyhr, that's a step too much for me
Margherita getting lumped in and triss too along with the lodge feels like a sorta half ass betrayal, it would be rather a lodge civil war in a sense, one side that cares about ciri led by Yennefer and the other that cares about their political influence on the global scale led by Philipha, it seemed to be going down this road in the books when the votes in the lodge meeting happened, but then Geralt and Yen did the ultimate oof and died
Yen fought Fringilla at Sodden, probably getting blinded by her. They hate each other. She is also not exactly a friend of Eilhart, but she would not betray Margarita. No way
I'm glad this Ending didn't make it to be honest, there's just too much things that either don't really fit, or would've "ruined" a lot of things. Also we don't know if these specific scenes aren't tied to other scrapped Content that would've taken place earlier in the Game, leading partly to the present situation shown. I love Yennefer, and she'll always be the best Girl over Triss in my books. But this Ending would've done her a great disservice. I hold no special love for the Lodge, except maybe for Philippa because of her sass although all Lodge members are known to have participated in questionable Events and done questionable things. But seeing Yennefer betray everyone, even if it's in Ciri's best interests, just... no. Especially fellow Sorceresses like Margarita, who is one of her own best friends and remains oddly mute in this scene. I would just not be able to look at Yennefer the same way if this Scene would've played through during my Game. Because something has to be done doesn't make it right. On the other hand i'm also a bit bummed we once again were robbed of seeing that Nilfgaard is not always just bad and evil and cruel, but that they will honour valiant foes and pay them respect. To the point of following Skelliger customs, which tells it's not a half-arsed decision. I find that pretty significant. I always found it frustrating that despite being the overarching antagonists for the entire saga, they almost never get any development, we don't know much about their customs, beliefs, etc... And such little things are interesting. Also, it's a detail, but i always found it odd that you meet Emhyr in the Quest "Veni, Vidi, Vigo", and then he's nowhere to be seen until the Ending of the Game, despite a battle raging or having raged around. That, and if you pay attention, you walk past his stranded Ship on the way to the Naglfar, there are frozen Nilfgaardian soldiers around, but that's it. Even prior to the battle you can walk around the Nilfgaardian encampment and strategize about everything, but he is nowhere to be seen. You'd think of all people Emhyr would have a thing or two to say about what to do during the Battle with Eredin.
Thank you! I feel the exact same, Yen could be ruthless and she definitely holds grudges towards some of the lodge sorceresses but this is way too much. I think Fringilla is more of a "friend" to her than Triss. Triss literally betrayed her and Ciri and heard to her face that Yen will never forgive her and yet they somehow remain "bffs". I feel like Triss is portrayed waaaay too much like an angel while Yen got the opposite treatment. I also agree with the Nilfgaardian lore, I love the fact that they do things that are actually pretty damn good for the world even though they're extremely ruthless if something goes against them. It's a very interesting dynamic and seeing Crach's funeral should be in the game, it was pretty great scene and I'd love to keep that one. Plus Geralt telling Emhyr to "kiss his ass" in front of his soldiers would not end up good for him, even more, that should be a game over screen like when you ask the Unseen Elder too many questions in Blood & Wine.
@@Synthia17 I *could* see Yen doing this, it's not totally out of character BUT i think even Yennefer would show more remorse about betraying the Lodge and condemning her "Sisters" to torture and most likely death. In that situation it's fair for Geralt to be disgusted by her actions, and quite frankly i could see it compromise their relationship, and even that she has with Ciri, who would probably not agree to have condemned several people to a dreadful fate on her behalf. And i 200% agree that the Games portray Triss as the cute, sweet, caring angel who never does anything wrong, when all things considered, she abused Geralt while he had amnesia, knowing he was with Yen, knowing she might still be alive, and her trying hard to be Ciri's "big sister" is so cringe because it's really just to get closer to Geralt. Yennefer is the one who -despite her flaws- will get to hell and back for Geralt and Ciri and is ready to sacrifice everything for them. I also like how Crach's funerals is another proof that Hjalmar would be a moronic and brutish King. Yes his Father just died he's upset, but he's close to causing a diplomatic incident while the Nilfgaardians went out of their way to restitue the body, following Skelligers customs, so that Crach might go to Skelliger Valhalla and get a burial fit for a King. I hate it when people mindlessly antagonise Emhyr. Yes, he's one of the main antagonists of the Franchise, yes he's done despicable things and yes he's utterly ruthless, but he's more nuanced and complex that just "big bad evil man". And as you say, from the very beginning of the Game when you meet Emhyr in Vizima, Geralt is subtly warned not to try his patience by being impertinent because he knows he's needed, so most interactions are extremely passive-aggressive (and quite frankly during Veni, Vidi Vigo i even found them hilarious) but to openly flip-off the Emperor of Nilfgaard, yes, that wouldn't fly. I *could* see Emhyr letting it slip if they were alone, but as you pointed out, there are soldiers around who would've witnessed Geralt getting away with such disrespect, it's just weird. It should totally get a Game over screen.
I kinda like this ending ngl, but only because it offers some more context on what COULD actually happen regarding the whole Lodge plot. However, it's a bit too much of a stretch imo, Yennefer's willingness to just throw them all in the trash bin. I see lots of people here debate whether Yen hates her "sisters" or whether she would never cross a line like that, how she will do anything to protect Ciri, etc. etc., BUT... It seems like everyone forgets that Yen is also somewhat of a politician and an important part of the now dwindling magical society? She was brought up by Aretuza, she is not just some random rogue hedge mage. She sees what is happening to the world, she is not blind. And she must have at least some idea of what all these developments could lead to... With all the other Lodge sorceresses gone, what would stop Emhyr to just get rid of her too? Would he not be aware of the possibility of a massive conflict of interest over Ciri in the future? Or does Yen just have plot armor? Does she really want to go full in that glorious "peaceful" future Emhyr is building? Where all mages are also unquestionably under his heel. Has she suddenly become a rabid imperialist? I am just not buying it. "Morally grey" is cool, but she cannot just suddenly stop being a mage. This is ultimately what she is and will always be. Besides, it's not like Philippa is trying to sacrifice Ciri to old gods or smth. Yes, she wants the girl, but so does everyone. And her vision of the future for Ciri might very well be more lenient than that harbored by Emhyr... Idk. Better the devil you know. Or worked with at least. With Emhyr having the final say in EVERYTHING and holding the leash, I doubt very much that Yen would just serve her possible allies on a silver platter to him so easily. Last but not least... This part where you enter the tent, and the sorceresses are talking about teaching more adepts. Idk, it kinda touched me? It's not like they are plotting the end of the world. I am sure that their sentiment is one Yen would gladly get behind. They are cut from the same cloth after all. 🤕
I think the decision was made because the writers chose that their version of Yennefer wouldn't do something like this. I think the writers kept pretty faithful to the book Yen but I do think that maybe you could argue book Yen would do something like this especially after finding out that the Lodge were planning to use and manipulate Ciri for their political aspirations, but I think through this decision of the developers we can assume that eventually even if they had the idea for a long time and pretty much had it in the finished game, they ultimately chose that their Yen wouldn't go this far. But I will add a point that I don't think this would be a unique thing for Yen, people who aren't parents will never understand the lengths their parents would go to if they had to to protect them until they become parents themselves, I can see the majority of parents doing something like this and worse if it meant saving their child. They wouldn't be proud or happy about it maybe even be ashamed but the length a parent would go to protect their child are enormous, even adopted child the instinct is the same. Point and case Joel from Last of Us (even though I like The Last of Us characters less than Witcher 3) Also you showed The Witcher book in my native Hebrew which is awesome so thanks for that lol even though the translation is legit awful uninspired and lazy. They just used the word for "Wizard" or "sorcerer" in Hebrew to describe Witchers not even trying to come up with a unique term.
Man thank you for the update but this is huge we will have a massive content surge of restored Witcher 3 cut content and maybe just maybe the modders could restore the cut content regarding the state of reason mission
Saw this a couple of weeks ago. It's interesting but I think the placement breaks the flow of the narrative which is probably why they removed it. You do the whole Eriden/Caranthir fight then it wraps up so you can wander around camp post fight, asking if anyone has seen Ciri, before going to the tower? I think the way they ended up doing it was better. It's also another nail in the coffin for Yen for anyone who hasn't read the books. She already has very few chances to shine in the game, often coming across as a total bitch. This just makes her look even worse. I really think CDPR should have shown more of Yen's softer side, smooth off her rough edges.
Showing Yen being ruthless when it comes to protecting her closed ones is amazing, and since in the base game we don't have much of it, the idea of her betraying the Lodge for Ciri sounds cool. Not sure i like the way it's supposed to be implemented (if what shown in the video would've ended up being the implementation ofc) with all these corrupted spell and response to Emhyr by Geralt stuff, but i'd probably be down for that anyway - the run through Skellige would feel less rushed (cause in the base game it kinda is) and it'd bring more depth to characters, which is always nice.
Ciri isn't the only one she's close to though. SOme of the members of the lodge are he best friends for decades, she went to school with some of them. She'd betray Philippa to the Emperor in a heart beat, but not Keira and Margarita.
@@LeutnantJoker Yen is not a good person, so this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. She certainly wasn't good in the books either, just think of all the horrible stuff she did in The Last Wish alone. Honestly I think some fans think of Yennefer as better than how she's actually portrayed. Specially in the books.
@@Masloy940 Yen doing a couple of good things near the end doesn't erase the multitude of horrible things she did along the way. The Witcher 3 Yen is very accurate.
@@Shonendo By the end of the books, Yennefer does much more than just a couple of good things, and she develops as a character. In the game, it's like her initial version.
29:24 OMG IT'S THE HEBREW COVER, you're my man (also for everyone interested: it's the cover for The Last Wish, aka the only Witcher book translated to Hebrew so far)
Personally I prefer not having Yennefer ending on such a dark and traitorous note. If CDPR had a non treason ending I'd pick that but otherwise I prefer the original. There is a difference between Yen the ruthless and Yen the traitorous.
Is it possible it was cut last minute to try and save content for a future project? (DLC that never happened, or possibly the next game) Maybe they wanted to leave room for more Lodge plotlines.
i honestly dont know what to think of this, i always knew that the ending was "rushed" but if this was the official ending it would be bit too much to swallow atleast for me
Damn, so much fully voiced, animated, written content just removed from the game. Makes it cool to find these things even so many years after this beautiful game's launch.
Pretty shocking that Yenn would backstab the sorceresses like that.... Philippa I get, she's a threat to Ciri as influence, Fringilla she has a grudge against but Margarita? She never did anything bad to her or Ciri
it wouldn't be so easy to capture the most powerful sorceresses like that with couple of soldiers , I think it was cut for good reason capturing them would be complicated they could burn the whole camp down
This is really great restored Content which largely stays true to Yennefers character, but, thanks to Dialogue Options, less so for Gerald, who wouldn't hestitate to find Ciri once again, Orders or not. If only they would've made V way less judgemental. Also, finally some recocnition for Crachs death! Now, i don't know if this is something for you, who had covered Mods before, but those were directly for the Witcher Games, not Witcher Mods for other Games, but just in case, there is one development right now for Mount & Blade: Warband, by a polish person from the looks of it. The Mod prides itself by taking Inspiration from the Books, all of CDPR's Games, Comics and foremost of all, "0% by Netflix TV Series". Need to know what Warband (and it's prequel, Bannerlord) actually is? You'll find out soon enough, Lethalis. Take Care.
Honestly, all these cut scenes and other scenes that were removed, should be restored by the developers in a future update. The scenes seen in this video feel like they were missing key points in the game, especially the ending portion on Unvik.
Yennefer partaking in the locating spell is because Vilgefortz forced her in the books to locate Ciri in the same way and by extension Geralt. Don't think the spell is what allows her to put down the sorceresses
I'm not sure why everyone says this would have destroyed Yen's character and destroyed the pacing. Here's how I view this: 1. Yennefer was shown to act morally dubious throughout the game for the wellbeing of Ciri. She literally practiced necromancy on a young man and basically tortured him for information. She worked with Emhyr and Nilfgaard to find Ciri. It makes sense Emhyr - being the man he is - would have wanted more from her than "JUST" her help for finding Ciri, since he (or rather his mages) helped her regain her memory, among other things. Of course this would have made her look bad but at the same time, she doesn't seem to be enjoying it one bit. Second of all, she helps Triss and risks everything, shown in the exchange with Emhyr who seems very displeased that even ONE of them escaped and he knew exactly who most likely had a hand in it. Additionally, has everyone forgotten what the Lodge is capable of? They are one of the main reasons the North is destablized and suffers from Nilfgaard and - indirectly - caused the witch hunt too. Then there's all the things they did (or tried to do) in the books. And the prime example, the pinnacle being Witcher 2, with Philippa at the forefront. Sure, Margarita's arrest sucks but even she's not entirely innocent, probably. Plus, isn't it very poetic that Philippa is taken down by Yennefer - at that point in time - of all people? For me it is. There are quite a few things that were cut about Yennefer and her character that I'm glad were cut because it WOULD have ruined her character development from the books - definitely. This isn't one of those things, in my opinion. As someone else stated, it also fits the moral bleakness of the books and previous games very well, something that I felt was sometimes missing in Witcher 3. 2. I don't think it ruins the pacing either. The whole thing about the Tower was poorly set up from the get go (at least in Release 😏) but even then, it's a major plot point from the books that comes out of nowhere almost immediately. It's good to have a break after the Eredin fight to catch your breath after ALL the action and get to see some of the impacts of Nilfgaard on Skellige and such. I also really like how Geralt behaves in this section. Very cold, very urgent and annoyed - especially at Philippa. Finally some good throwbacks at her. Not to mention the legendary "Kiss my ass, Emhyr". Excited for more coverage on future restorations like these. I'm sure there'll be a lot to cover yet. :D
Honestly think if they just played the journey to the tower as normal and everything with Ciri then the Lodge plot happening after the big choice of Ciri’s fate? I think that would work especially when visiting Emyhr
The segment between fight with Eredin and the bit with Avallach would be a perfect time to see the consequences of some of Geralt's choices and plots he had no way of knowing or influencing. It should hammer home that for all of Geralt's work, he's just one witcher, one man. He set off to find his adoptive daughter, ended up affecting the world somewhat, but in the end there are bigger fishes in the pond (it's a similar feeling to meeting the Unseen Elder or Gaunter in expansions). TW2 had a similar interactive segment after the last boss. I hope modders can completely restore what's left and patch in what's been omitted, I'm always a fan of restoring official content that enriches game's plot.
@@mrlucky9157 so you haven't played the witcher 2 have you? they are the reason radovid started the witch hunts and the war too in a way they shouldn't just get away with it
After all this years i find out that I could witness the fate of the lodge, especially Filippa's arrest and presumable death, and the CDPR took it from me? My heart is broken
@mrlucky9157 true enough, the Empire magic users really helped dig a lot of things from her mind, and she wasn't in such a good position to resist most of it.
I would have liked for Yen's reasoning to be more fleshed out - and given more time and dialogue 🤔 Geralt's "positive" dialogue option implies that he suspects/understands that there was "no other way", i.e. Emhyr forced her hand and all she could do was save at least one (Triss) Keeping this in mind, all the "negative" options are thus wildly ignorant of Geralt (and so not like him), but, I guess, they are there for those players who: a. haven't paid attention, b. dislike Yen, c. are rping a "bad" Geralt, etc. In the end, I don't mind that the Lodge's fate was left open, as this gives Ciri (or whomever) interesting plot threads to follow (up on) in Witcher 4 😏😇 Also, having everything tied up in a neat narrative bow would quickly put *you* out of opportunities to speculate 😈
Ohh now the line Emhyr says to Geralt at the end about not pursuing Triss make sense. Anyway I like that they cut this out because it make Yen look so bad.
Yennefer would never do this. Let's not forget one member of the lodge is the former head of Thanedd and they were very close friends. She's friends with Keira as well. She hates Phillippa and disagrees with the concept of the lodge and certainly never forgave them for what they wanted to do with Ciri in the books, but no way she'd let those members of the lodge that she's close to die. Triss isn't her only friend among them. Scenes get cut from books, movies, games for a reason. I never liked "restored deleted scenes" in movies, because most of them were cut for a good reason, and this is the same. HIs Skellige friends know exactly that Geralt doesn't get involved with wars, so they wouldn't react to him like that just for being in the enemy's camp. And No way Yennefer would act like this. The entire point of her character is that she's a very loyal and vulnerable person under that cold bitch persona. She isn't like this. Even in the books when she's incredibly cruel to Geralt and fuming that he left her, she still does things to keep him safe and well behind the scenes. She deeply cares, she just is unable to express that. That's her entire character down to the representation in her black and white getup. There's no middle ground with her. She's not a traitor to her friends. And she also knows that Keira and some other members of the lodge were way less strict about Ciri's fate than Philippa was. Her rivaly was always with Phillippa alone, not with any of the others so much. She's certainly not a fan of Fringilla or Francesca, but she's friends with half the lodge members. It's interesting to see this content, but it doesn't belong in the game. If anything they should try to fix the quest with Dijkstra because that one REALLY doesn't make any sense.
Yennefer needs the Lodge to fight the Hunt, and in order to do so she needs to offer garantuees on the members of the lodge about a non existant amensty. So Yennefer would definetely do that. There are multiple set ups in the game that go nowhere because of this cut
@moonknightish even if she was willing to do it, she wouldn't because she knows geralt and tries would never forgive her. Remember geralt is friends with some of them too.
I kinda like that ending, but it's really heavy and dark, maybe that's why the devs deleted it, they wanted a quick and painless resolution for us so we don't bother about some political issues. At least Filippa finally got what she deserved and was deafeated with her own weapon wich is satysfying, I don't have any doubt that she would kill the empress Ciri if she'd need to. Also as you said the tension is really dead, the hunt for Avallac'h in the middle of the battle is really epic in the official ending.
Not a book nut here, but speaking strictly within the game, Yen really seemed annoying - complete disregard to human life, traditions and customs. And since i love to roleplay as a "goody two shoes" Gerald i always was pushing back against her methods, which she was responding with disregard to Geralds feelings. This cut content supports the Yen character i was trying to avoid - she doesn't have much afterthought about the mages. She thinks that by saving Triss she somehow redeems herself. Poor excuse to my taste. She is quick to judge what is a nonsense, what must be done and who should live and die. Yet another miss with the Gerald - who supposedly is morally gray. Hm, just occured to me why Yen likes black and white 😄
How for next details you missed video , i noticed something in the the tower of mice quest with keira metz when you go to visit graham you can see he has a noose hung up behind him like he was going to take his own life before he got there and probably why that other villager was banging on the door. Just noticed this on my second play through
I could understand Yenn betraying the lodge. They're as much a danger to Ciri as Eridin or at least the lodge would try to use her for their own gains. Winning the battle against Eridin was really only half the battle if Yenn wanted Ciri to be free to live her life as she saw fit. Ciri wouldn't be pursued by the wild hunt or scheming sorceresses.
I just hope someone creates an ending with this toolkit where Dijkstra makes the same deal as Emhyr with Roche … no one would ever pick a different ending then?
Know it surely never happen, but wish CDPR could decide to release/sell an official and true "Extended Ultimate Edition" of the game in the future, adding all the cut content and unfinished quest, hiring the help of some of most the talented moders out there, which would be a win win for everyone: The company, the moders and the fans🤷♂️. Also, I don't mind much about "pase issues", cos we all had experienced the intended 2015 devs vision/product, but I do want anything, everything "new" added to an already awesome huge story🤷♂️
This was really interesting to see. The big problem I see with this, though, is the idea that Geralt was out for an extended period (given Yenn's quip about 3 days without sleep, I would assume he's been unconscious for at least one) and Yennefer and Emhyr were both 100% fine with everyone just sitting on their thumbs waiting for him to come to while Ciri was gods know where. It's not like Geralt actually contributed anything to the spell to locate her and even if he did know where she went, two people as impatient for results as Yenn and Emhyr would certainly exhaust the alternatives while Geralt was out. As much as it would have been horrendous from a player's perspective, it would've made as a timeline if Geralt woke up to the news "Triss disappeared, the other sorceresses are being tortured - no time to explain. We know Ciri is somewhere on this island. Are you ready to join the search?"
Adding to that, it makes sense for Avallac'h to make good use of the commotion and act quickly. Why on earth would he wait and give anyone time to thwart his plan?
@@Bronzescorpion A very good point. Although, since this is essentially a completely different iteration of the story from the one we received in the end, something like that could be explained away with something like there's a great deal of setup that needs to be done before he could truly initiate things. It would've felt a bit awkward but not too glaringly illogical.
I found it interesting that Yen saves Triss no matter what, because you could argue she have no reason to do so. Triss slept with Geralt when he had lost his memory despite the fact he was her supposed best friend Yen’s lover. If you romance Triss you could make the argument that Yen saves her more for Geralt’s sake then for Triss herself but I don’t know. My reasoning is that it’s maybe in return for Triss helping at the Battle of Kaer Morhen. Triss shows up there no matter what, even if you refuse to help her save the Mages in Novigrad.
How was Triss supposed to know that Yennefer was alive? Yes, she slept with him, she loved him. Yennefer also slept with the witchers of the snake school Letho says about it
Great work, you and glassfish! Love the cut content. It tied up 2 important loose ends (Crachs body and the fate of the Lodge), I wish it was given a third thought and included this in the game itself for just one reason: nobody comes out the winner here. Both Skellige and Nilfgaard suffered heavy losses. The surviving Lodge members may have escaped Radovid but fell into another ruler who shared Radovid's distrust with the Lodge (though Emhyr is slightly better with possibly showing a bit of leniency and we all know Philippa did not die at the hands of the empire if we read what happened to her in the books). As for the third reason why I prefer this to be included- purely my selfish reason: MORE EMHYR CONTENT! Cant get enough of Charles Dance XD, and more opportunity to take screenshots of Emhyr in settings other than his office in Vizima (shame my dino PC cant handle it 😢 and most everyone I know has moved on to other games for me to ask for pics). Anyways, thank you for this wonderful video that is now included in my Favorites Playlist!
I think this actually confirms that Philippa's book fate is canon. We know she's been tortured to death by Willemer, a Temerian priest. This works in all three endings - in Nilfgaard victory one, it's possible Emhyr would hand Philippa over to Temerians as the figure behind the assassination of Foltest, Dijkstra would probably barter her from the Nilfs at peace talks to do the same (as for him, she's too dangerous to live), and Radovid is, well, Radovid. It just changes the context from "a random victim of witch hunts" to "Emhyr's prisoner who's facing the consequences of her political machinations."
love your vids man, specially the way u break things down. I found that the B&W dlc specific wines has only but specific spawn points is there any way to acquire b&w wines with console command perhaps the Fiorano and Guillaume du Bois' soulful wine?
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Thank god this was deleted, CDPR already destroyed Djikstra character, they also destroying Yennefer will made me hate TW3 ngl.
How could they delete this? Yennefer just teleporting Geralt out from the ship is so cheap... CDPR thought this ending would be too long? But destroying the Lodge feels so right.
I'm with you. Think it would have been a great addition to the game. And I'm still amazed you're able to bring new content for this, the greatest of all games.
Hmm, I am going to comment here defending the writer's decision to scrap this whole plot, and I think including it would've been to the detriment of the whole story, here are my reasons; 1. It would ruin the whole 'Yen vs Triss' debate, that we witcher fans have loved to have. Essentially, these actions of Yen's are so indefensible as to make most people very repulsed by her. 2. I would argue (I know that I am in the minority, judging by the comments) that these actions are not in keeping with her character. Book Yen doesn't go after the lodge, looking for revenge, even though they have betrayed her, and done some pretty despicable things to her. People will point to the whole episode with Istred, but my take away from the books is that most of the relationship issues that Geralt and Yen have, are primarily due to Geralt's self-loathing. Really, the lowest point in the books for Yen in a morality sense, was her willingness to kill a dragon in order to have a child. 3. This would've seriously upset the tempo and flow towards the catharsis at the end, and would've made the whole ending rather anti-climactic and overly drawn out. So in my mind, this is not part of my cannon, as the game's writers did not include it, so neither do I, as interesting as this whole thing is. I dunno, as Slyvia Anna would say, maybe I just really want my happy ending...
I'd like to see some sort of conclusion the the fate of Lodge, but it's definitely not this. I do thing that Yen would sacrifice Lodge to save Ciri if she didn't have any other option, but this sequence really doesn't convince me that this is the case. She could - and I am absolutely certain that she would - do a million different things to make sure they at least get a fighting chance, or even escape fully. She probably wouldn't mind Philippa no longer being able to meddle in Ciri's affairs, but Margarita is her closest friend, and while she has ample reasons to hate Fringilla, she also kinda owes her for helping her escape the Lodge. There is zero chance that Yen would just betray those two in order to keep good relationship with Emhyr. Of course even the idea that Geralt, Yen and Ciri don't mind interacting with Emhyr already requires insane mental gymnastics to make any sense of, so just adding 'Yennefer really wants good standing with him' to it is not even the worst part. Still, I'm glad they kept it out. It would make the games make even less sense in comparison to book characters
Yennefer says she doesn't trust Margarita when you sent Ciri to talk with the Lodge. It's clear that CDPR didn't remember the relationship between the 2 characters from the books, but it's not necessarily inconsistent to how it is in the game
@@Diego-rt2ot I know, right? She didn’t even know that they would need the Lodge to find Ciri again, she says she thought Ciri was with Geralt when they meet outside hospital. So she had at least a few hours to either trap the Lodge or make sure they leave. Instead she just hoped they would hang around? I find it hard to believe that she wouldn’t have found Triss and told her “Do me a favour and take Margarita and Fringilla for a little sightseeing trip to Kovir, immediately, you understand?”
I’m approaching this as someone who’s played the game AND read the books… I personally HATE the lodge and phillipa. To me, this is yennefers payback for when phillipa betrayed yennefer in the tower of swallow. So I actually really like this ending haha.
I honestly prefer it to be scrapped. I think that we would miss a very important argument between Geralt and Yen... Even if you romanced her - I don't think Geralt would look at her the same way afterwards. She never even hinted at this to him either. I think that this would form unrepairable cracks in their relationship and kinda ruin their ending together imo.
@@moonknightish Geralt doesn't care for the lodge, but as almost all dialog options rightfully portray - he didn't think Yen would do that. He wouldn't trust her anymore, atleast not fully. Maybe some believable, character fitting dialog afterwards, making them discuss these events, could work that together in a somewhat satisfying way - but leaving it like this right there... Nope. Geralt wouldn't just don't care that Yen lied to everyone like this, even to him, about such a thing and don't even blink an eye.
@@xZFeroxZx she has been lying to him throughout the whole game because she isn't sure if he'll agree to her actions One more lie won't make much of a difference
@@mohamedosama5340 bro I don't want to be rude or insulting but how on earth could you possibly think that those are the same kinda lies and things. It's not just another lie. The sheer extreme of this one is the problem.
@@xZFeroxZx the thing is yennefer throughout the game has been doing what needs to be done but was hiding them because she was afraid geralt won't have the stomach for them And since the emperor would never let the lodge roam free and yennefer needs their help then there was no other choice than to betray them they clearly intended to manipulate ciri too, so one more reason to get rid of them
I heard about that cut content. One theory for its removal is that it made Yen excessively "evil". Which I kinda understand, given how much flak from the fanbase she already gets for doing what had to be done. However, I agree the Lodge would have deserved better closure... and besides, based on the books, Yen has no reason to be friendly toward the Lodge for trying to steal Ciri from her (she's way too friendly with them in the game, in fact), it makes some sense she would take revenge.
Today I was watching video with AI generated voice of geralt.. First thing that came to my mind was that one mod where you meet with everyone on weding day (Geralt's and Yenn's ) which has no voice actors...
It’s hilarious how people thought that shallow ass Elden Ring DLC was going to top blood and wine when Elden ring as a hole isn’t as good as blood and wine as there’s clearly not enough, love passion and content put into it the way blood and wine was handcrafted as such, and that’s not even getting into overall scope of the witcher 3. Witcher 3 is still king
I think it's good that they cut this. I'm not sure what it adds to the story, and it just extends the endgame into another "where is ciri" moment. I get the idea that Yen does terrible things and breaks all her personal rules when it comes to Ciri's safety - but I feel the game addresses that quite well with her destroying Freya's garden for a necromancy spell. Yen isn't a sweetie pie but she's not a monster either - this cut content pushes the cruelty over the edge.
I guess they didn't want Yennefer to look bad with this whole betrayal of the Lodge. But I'm ngl, I kinda wish they had kept this in, even if it's a variation of it. Just the whole dialogue between Yen & Triss, Emhyr, Geralt & other characters it just felt engaging.
no i totally agree its to not make yen look bad. i dont think that its because its so totally out of character, but because it needs more time to integrate this action back into her character, its right at the very very end of the game and could easily give people the wrong impression.
@@moonknightish Nope, I read the books, and I still think Yen betraying all the lodge members is not something she would do. Phillipa and Fringilla? Sure. She has beef with them and I can see her happily getting rid of them to save Ciri from their future schemes. But Keira? And esp Margarite? Keira is a pompous prick but she poses no danger to Ciri, and Marg has no interest in politics and is only part of the lodge to support her school. There is no justice in betraying her, at ALL.
@@DemBigOlEyes I was going to say the same exact thing, I find it very out of character for her to betray whatever is left of the lodge just like that. Especially Rita. The lodge can't really force her to do things for them anyway, as it was said when Ciri met with them, she's grown up and can understand when people want to take advantage of her and when not. And Yen seems to have come in terms with the past, in the end all sorceresses where taken advantage or mistreated or tortured or killed. So I'd say there's a mutual understanding of their hardships. Emhyr on the other hand had much more vile ideas about Ciri imo, he even killer her mother and after that he was plotting on how to find and take advantage of her power. Yen is not stupid, she's smart enough to understand that Emhyr is a bigger threat than the lodge and I feel she'd rather take him out of the way first
Maybe they discarded this ending because they plan to use the sorceresses in Witcher 4. The Lodge wanted Ciri for their own plans too so maybe in Witcher 4 you play as Ciri, the lodge has gotten strong again and they hunt Ciri.
I can’t imagine Yen betraying Margarita like that. They and Tissea all seemed very much on the same page. If Cori weren’t in the picture, Yen probably would’ve been a member of the Lodge.
Yen is not a good person, so this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. She certainly wasn't good in the books either, just think of all the horrible stuff she did in The Last Wish alone. Honestly I think some fans think of Yennefer as better than how she's actually portrayed. Specially in the books.
@@Shonendo I don't know... 1) The story arc was supposed to be that Ciri made Geralt and Yen better people than they had been before. 2) While Yen doesn't give 2 shits are morals and ethical rules, she does care about her people. She would definitely hurt 1,000s of strangers to help Ciri, but not 10s of friends. (It's why she saved Triss.) 3) Yen was willing to had Ciri over to Margarita for a few years to teach her. 4)
@@macgarnicle I mean, nothing you just said contradicts what happened in this removed content. Yen betrayed them, including Margarita, under the pretext of "protecting Ciri". While the story arc may have improved a thing or two about Yen, Yen is still Yen. Nothing here is out of character for her.
![Witcher 3 Removed Content - Tedd Deireadh, The Final Age Extended[Emhyr Arrests Lodge]](/img/1.gif)
Thank you for making a great video! You pretty much nailed everything. A couple things I can add.
1. This was likely cut between late 2014 and early 2015. Very late cut. Even though it's not very polished compared to final release materials, it's still pretty close to finished by game dev standards.
2. The transition to the conjunction pretty much just happens as Geralt and Yen run along that beach after they finish talking. If you pay attention in the final game Yen portals Geralt right to that beach and then the conjunction starts. The portal was the best thing they could probably think of to connect the Eredin fight to the conjunction. It was too late for any major rewrites.
3. You're right about the scene placements. They are all missing from the level data and I had to make my best guess. I am 99% sure the wake up scene took place in that building. All the beds there were placed by CDPR and do appear in the final game. They are just unused. It's also labeled as a field hospital in the level data. As for the exact bed the scene happened I'm not sure. I tried all the beds and picked the one the scene looked the least bad in.
The Yen meetup took place somewhere just outside of the hospital but I couldn't perfectly pinpoint it. All three encounters with the soldiers were my best guess. The first group should been near the water with a pile of bodies but the pile of bodies had been removed from the level. The second group should have been near a campfire there were only a few to choose from. I have no idea where the last group with the prisoners was supposed to be so I just picked a place where the scene fit.
The Crach funeral was the hardest to place by far since there is nowhere in the camp that it can physically fit without major clipping. The only indication that I had that it took place just outside the camp were coordinates in the file that controls Yennefer's spawn locations. I'm 100% sure the arrest scene took place in that tent since it's marked as lodge_tent in the level data. However the furniture had likely been rearranged to some degree after the content was cut leading to the clipping.
4. The animation data for the actual arrest part is missing however I did find the dialogue so I showed that. It's a pretty action heavily scene with special effects so it was actually mocapped unlike the rest of the scene which was manually assembled from library animations. Based on indication in the files it is likely that this mocap was completed and implemented into the game. I just can't find the actual data for it.
A cut of this size would be a late cut, that's when they can get a better feel for the flow of the game and the flow is better as it is though a tad jarring to go from a battle amongst ships and ice to why are they there charging into the island doesn't really fit scene. Better I think would have incorporated the betrayal but cut the rest, Yen teleports Geralt to the camp, the ships and battle still happening off the coast, meet Triss on the beach for the gift transfer, follow Yen straight to the lodge tent, betrayal scene, then exit the tent and teleport to the snow covered trail leading to the ruined tower just as the conjunction begins where the exit the tent comments can commence.
That would have removed the what's going on and horse ride part that kinda doesn't fit in my opinion, and give the player a small break from all the action. And there should have been a break from all the action there as player excitement and adrenaline is wearing off. Constant fast paced is just as bad as constant slow pace, breaks between action makes the action more enjoyable.
Thanks for recreating of deleted contents bro!!! I hope those scenes will be integrated into the game in near future.🙏
Good job, bro!
Thanks for revealing and organizing this content. Was there any appearance of Keira Metz? I realize it's quite possible depending on your choices that she's dead at this point. I was just curious if there was a version of the scene where Yennefer betrays the lodge with Keira since she could be alive if you pick the right option on Fyke Isle.
the end with the scene at the winery where how did you get that answered with google translated into german please
This has yet again reminded me of how nice it would be to have one of the main writers talk about all the scrapped plots and ideas, both those like these, which were evidently quite developed and elaborate, and those that were abandoned before any real work took place
If someone can pull that off it would be letalis, but idk if the writers can even talk about that stuff
@@birbidboxer I'm sure there's at least one of them that would love to talk about it. but sadly I'm also pretty sure there's some kind of NDA stopping that.
Probably because you can reuse the plots that were scrapped later. If not for Geralt then for some other char.
This video took me quite a while to put out since I went back and forth between making it more of a walkthrough or more of a commentary but I hope it turned out well in the end :) Curious to hear your thoughts of it, and once again big thanks to mr. glassfish
Could we download this?
Is it possible to release it as a mod?
it's not made into a usable mod atm, perhaps eventually
@@xLetalis well fingers crossed because although it has bugs, it still looks good
Great video, it's a shame that unfortunately this support update for mods in the game didn't reach the consoles either, I thought that cd projekt was going to follow the same thing that Bethesda did with Skyrim and Fallout 4 before it supports mods on consoles.
"Kiss my ass Emhyr" option is wild 💀
Yeah no, Geralt would be flayed for doing this, especially in front of the soldiers in time of war where Emhyr competency is already being questioned.
@@Synthia17 Still wild💀
@@Synthia17 Seeing how buffed Geralt is in Witcher 3 with all his crazy extra mutations and feats, he could probably kill all those soldiers even if they tried
@@SadMoribund Gamewise, of course but lorewise no.
We've been robbed🤣
Bruh I'm shocked your still getting witcher 3 content hats off to you man
The Internet: It's been almost 10 years, would you just give up on this ga-
xLetalis: Aight, now that the warm-up is done-
What about Skyrim which is still discussed 13 years later? I don't see why The Witcher should be forgotten.
@mikshin9825 the skyrim modding community is way bigger than the witcher so yea it is pretty amazing this man still keeps it interesting that to finds things that are in the game so many years later too
People still playing this game also buying ex my self i purchased this game 20 days ago and finished today then got addicted to all the witcher videos so ya some game still alive today after more then 10+ years
Great games, books, movies will always be discussed, even though they have been released into the world for a long time.
I think part of the reason, why the scene where Yennifer betrays the Lodge was removed is because of the scene where Geralt and her free Margarita (and mercy kill Sheala). I don't think it would be out of character for her to betray the Lodge because Yen can be very pragmatic and ruthless, but subjecting them to imprisonment and torture after having a scene where she shows sympathy and pity for the captured mages, makes her look like a massive hypocrite and liar (because she did lie to both the lodge AND Geralt about the amnesty). I don't think it's good to have such a scene at the end of the game where romances and so on are locked in.
OTOH it's extremely on-brand for the Witcher. Yen shows multiple times she will be ruthless and cruel in her pursuit of Ciri (and in the books she is also a massive hypocrite and frequent liar), so if you romance her you should know that's what you are getting. The main issue with the cut scenes is the flow, as it makes Eradin kind of a side-show to the real finale, though TBH he is, I personally didn't find the Eradin fight at all interesting - the one vs his sorcerer was more enjoyable. I would have preferred the cut scenes be included.
Lol but Yen is a hypocrite. Always was
Considering what they do to her in the books and want to do with Ciri, they deserve it and it's in character
I think I can understand her motives, Lodge were not nice girls
@@danguy6591Maybe. But the lodge earned the betrayal. They were by far one of the worst groups in the witcher universe.
Letalis trolling with those horrible Witcher TV series pictures.
Just want so say, I am so glad you are still around. Your videos and voice is a comfort. I hope you and your family are happy, and in great health. I recall someone was sick at some point.
Much love, Letalis.
Hey, thank you very much
23:43 OMFG, that's soo cold. I am in the middle of reading the books again, and the way Geralt talks to Yennefer here compared to the books, damn. If you chose triss in witcher 3 and get this dialogue you know it's over. Brutal.
I like that gruff tone he makes.
Please stop showing Netflix's sorceresses my eyes are burning 😢
Yall the feds dont want you to know, but if you hold acceleration on roach, he follows the road
until you hit a bridge :)
ur told this at the start of the game
*she
Yeah i knew that
I found this out recently and was so surprised
In the books, Yennefer was detained by the Lodge as certain members thought she was part of Vilgefortz’ plot at Thanedd. Interestingly, it was Fringilla who helped her escape from Phillppa’s castle. And of course, the Lodge also tried to force Ciri into becoming the concubine of the Koviri crown prince. The whole reason Ciri, Triss, Geralt, and Yennefer were going to meet in Rivia (where the latter two were attacked and basically died) was a final meet up before Ciri was to be taken to Kovir. Based on the history, it’s not outside the realm of possibility Yennefer would betray them based on the book canon.
Im not sure I'd agree, from a book standpoint. I think yen was in conflict with the lodge not because it exists, but because they have plans for ciri that goes against what ciri wants. Yen would be smart enough to understand that any gain made by throwing fellow sorceresses under the bus would be extremely tenuous, with the witch hunts in the north and the tight leash for mages in the south. Whos to say that emhyr wont turn on her once the war's won? She hates certain characters, like phillipa and fringilla, because of their eagerness to use ciri for their own political ends, and for their general schemes to control all the continent. but not so far as to cause their deaths. yen's self-serving, but not evil. this choice would learn a bit to far towards evil, in my opinion.
She would be forgivable to some members like Margita, Keira or Triss but NOT FOR Phillipa. Not a single chance for her! If Lodge were lead by anyone other than Phillipa, Sheala or Sabrina, they might have been more decent
@@joeh5411 I agree. I can see Yen happily handing over Phillipa and Fringilla, but not Keira and certainly not Margarite. Marg is literally the only witch in the lodge that has no interest in politics and schemes and is only there for the sake of her witch's school. She's quite literally one of the more morally righteous characters in comparison to the rest of the lodge. It pissed me off to see her betrayed. Hell, even in the cut content, she's such a nice person she doesn't even call out Yen for the betrayal, while Fringilla and Phillipa has choice words.
@@joeh5411 I dunno about that, Yennefer twice tries to give Ciri away. Triss was the one who wanted to let her do what she wants.
@@sourcheddarisback Where exactly?
I love Yen's dialogs, they feel like she knows she's not perfect and can be annoyingly arrogant, but when it comes to Ciri, she's trying her best
I watched this entire video and I must say that I, personally, love the hell out of this cut content and even prefered it instead of the original. Imagine the story where is no bitter endings. Where there is a hella dark revelation which might turn the hate on Yen, but still makes it compassionable because you can see that she's actually getting hurt by what she's doing and yet there wasn't any other way. This might not be perfect, but it's dark and fits the Witcher atmosphere so damn well, making the entire final battle even more rememberable. Thanks for showing this content and I am very keen on future vids about REDkit mods or cut content from you. The best Witcher RUclipsr out there, bro.
well said :) ty
Agree with this. Most people think Yennefer's character gets ruined by it but it's just not true. It's not like she does it because SHE wants to, it's because she's forced to by Emhyr and still she risks everything by saving Triss either way, who was no threat to Ciri, unlike the rest of the Lodge, which definitely were and even still are - due to their schemes.
Also doesn't ruin the pacing in my opinion. The pacing of that last quest was going too fast for me since it plays a huge role for the lore, after all. "One thing at a time", so to speak ...
@@crygreg8484 She's not forced to do this actually. She doesn't need Emhyr anymore, certainly not for locating Ciri or fighting Avallach. So why serve the lodge on a silver platter?
@@mrlucky9157 well, because of two things: first, is that they probably had this plan since the beginning of the story. So it was an offer she couldn’t refuse alongside finding Ciri. Or you really think that it’s wise to go against the most powerful empire in the world?
Second, because the lodge is actually dangerous for her and for Ciri. She understands that there aren’t any heartwarming friends like Triss. I mean, Phillippa literally says that she wants to get rid of Yen. I don’t know her relationship with Fringilia or Margarita, but I believe they were at least the “collateral damage” to get rid of Phillippa.
Yennifer might be harsh, demanding and cruel sometimes, but she’s not evil and she doesn’t enjoy doing terrible things.
@@mrlucky9157 What @cloke3076 says.
She DOES need Emhyr still and the Lodge too. She hasn't found Ciri yet and when Emhyr enters she's shocked because she realizes, now she has to do what she's been told since ... you know ... she's in a camp full of enemies that would mean her death (and Geralt's).
And she was very much forced to do the Emperor's bidding until Ciri was safe and sound. Also, the only who REALLY didn't deserve it was Margarita. And Triss but she escaped due to Yennefer, something she even says brought a great risk with it.
The fact Geralt answers "She's a Witcher" about Ciri confirms to me what the best ending is :)
heh :) I suppose
I feel like there's so much potential for future videos and content to cover with the release of the Redkit I can't wait!
We know from watching you Letalis that Geralt wouldn't pay ransom for these Skelligers he would sell them over and over again like he does to Ciri.
@@xLetalis 😂😂😂
I always assumed that they didn't talk about the lodge because the final book explains that the lodge was destroyed and Phillipa was tortured to death so they didn't want to mess with the canon
That's actually a pretty good point.
Oh my god! Unbelievable! It's so strange to see new scenes and dialogue from a game that I know by heart😲😳
Knowing CDPR they probably would've included a "good" ending for the lodge if you choose the right options during your PT.
Like getting rid of Radovid and making sure Ciri is empress.
Wonder if that would have made more people like the empress ending. As far as I have seen mostly everyone* prefers the witcher ending because it fits with what Ciri and Geralt wants, but the empress ending is arguably much better for the world at large.
If it meant they could save some characters I'm sure some people would have gone for it.
@@EmhyrvarSpice "but the empress ending is arguably much better for the world at large." I don't know how true that is. People seem to forget that Dandelion is the narrator, so of course Ciri is painted in a positive light in the ending, but we don't really know how she would fare as a ruler or how much better it would be from having Morvran as the ruler (which is book canon).
@@Bronzescorpion I guess Dandelion could be fudging the truth a bit. Besides if the witcher 4 is about Ciri then they would probably skip that possibility or have her run away/abandon her position anyway.
@@Bronzescorpion Morvran implies he would be wed to Ciri, and given Ciri's disinterest in politics it would probably end up as just Morvran doing the ruling.
@@agilemind6241 a point in favor of my argument that she may not be better for the world as a whole if she rules. It would likely be the same.
Glad they shit canned this plot line. Its too far out of character for Yen. Developers likely realized this was simply an ridiculous character assassination on Yennifer by a jealous Triss fan/CDPR employee
I like to see a mod where you can play gwent against characters like Emhyr or the Unseen Elder.
Imagine gambling Olgierds life by playing gwent against Gaunter.
I think the Devs talked about a mod where you play Gwent as a way of combat in one of their talks about Redkit, you might like that
Gaunter wouldn't stand a chance.
There already is a mod to play Gwent for olgierd's life.
YEEESSS PLZ i want to play a game of Gwent against Emyr to see who keeps Ciri🤣🙏
@@Mere-Lachaiselongue Spy! Spy! Spy!
Please stop using images from that awful show. It reminds me it exists and ruins the world emersion
Took the words right out my mouth XD
I hate that show
At 5:12 I feel like "An ordinary day at war" might be a nod at the German "All quiet at the western front" Or more accurately from the German title "Nothing new at the western front" very similar themes at least
I think it makes sense. Yennifer selling out the Lodge just makes her irredeemable imo. I've read all the books and played the games; I know Yen is no angel. But even for her, this feels like a step too far. She's never seen eye-to-eye with the Lodge, but selling out the sorceresses just feels out of character for her. Yen is selfish, but not to the point of backstabbing friends to a death sentence.
No tears for the lodge. After the Wild Hunt they were the biggest threat to Ciri/Yen/Geralt. I really wish this part was included, but it is undeniable that it would ruin the pacing of the ending.
Absolutely I truly have no Idea why they cut this ending and after playing the Witcher 2 they really do deserve this ending as they are the ones who conspired to kill Foltest and they just caused unnecessary chaos The Witcher 3 overall seems like it was toned down for the "General Audience" compared to The Witcher 2 which was brutal
@@انا_ابراهيم_البناوي Also in the books in the ending, it's clear that the Lodge have no intention of letting Ciri go and removing Geralt and Yen from the picture if need be. The massacre of Rivia took care of all that though.
Yeah fuck the lodge, I really disliked them in the books. Scheming heartless scum.
@@انا_ابراهيم_البناوي true
I really don't like Phillipa so its a shame no path screwed her over. This content would have been satisfying.
*Wow This whole section looks almost finished, must have been scrapped last minute to keep the tension rolling and the action preserved. This explains the absence of the other sorceresses throughout the whole endgame section. Really Interesting Stuff. Hope we will Find some important Cut Content Related to Radovid Assassination Mission. Great Work!!! XLetalis and Mr. Glassfish.*
I honestly think they should've kept it in the game maybe had different outcomes for this ending but this ending is really like the Witcher 2 the Witcher 2 had this kind of surprising and debatable endings but it seems like the Witcher 3 got very toned down which is in my opinion really made the game feel lacking
it was the last game so while the bad ending suits the witcher's world more, it was better that we were given closure
I think it was removed because it messed up the pacing, as you said. Its a very long segment in the middle of two action driven scenes. But it fits with the canon parts and why there are not ending slides for the lodge members(remember there is one for Keira, but not the others). It is also possible they didnt have time to finish it, or change opinion at the last minute.
But i wonder why the Emperor would want to interrogate them? what the hell for? what they could possibly tell him.
The pacing is already messed up because you go from defeating Eredin to Conjunction and End of the world in seconds. This would've improved the pacing, allowing time to breath
Interrogation is probably related to the events of the Witcher 2 game. Philippa could at this moment still have control of Saskia, and the rest of the lodge still know a lot about the other rulers of the North and any possible surviving heirs that might some day challenge Emyr's rule.
Not surprising at all really, Yen doesn't play around when it comes to protecting Ciri. Also this makes a LOT more sense for Emhyr's character, knowing he'd get his prisoner back and more if he cut the deal with Yen.
No, Yennefer never crosses such limits in the books, and the game makes her a villain at the very end of the plot.
@@Diego-rt2ot yennefer spends a good chunk of the books in a chair being tortured to protect ciri, I would not put it past her to have the lodge (who doesn't gaf about her and is responsible for a lot of whats going on in the world considering TW2) arrested and judged by Nilfgaard.
@@ItsMeStrider But it was she herself that I suffered for her. She didn't sell anyone out, Margarita is her good friend from school, even Frinnglia helped her in some way and she was very close to Geralt even if she used him. I just don't see Yennefer handing over sorceresses to torture and death to Emyhr, that's a step too much for me
Margherita getting lumped in and triss too along with the lodge feels like a sorta half ass betrayal, it would be rather a lodge civil war in a sense, one side that cares about ciri led by Yennefer and the other that cares about their political influence on the global scale led by Philipha, it seemed to be going down this road in the books when the votes in the lodge meeting happened, but then Geralt and Yen did the ultimate oof and died
Yen fought Fringilla at Sodden, probably getting blinded by her. They hate each other. She is also not exactly a friend of Eilhart, but she would not betray Margarita. No way
Can you teach me nilfgaardian? I didn't even know you mastered that language man
@@xLetalis mein got
I'm glad this Ending didn't make it to be honest, there's just too much things that either don't really fit, or would've "ruined" a lot of things. Also we don't know if these specific scenes aren't tied to other scrapped Content that would've taken place earlier in the Game, leading partly to the present situation shown.
I love Yennefer, and she'll always be the best Girl over Triss in my books. But this Ending would've done her a great disservice. I hold no special love for the Lodge, except maybe for Philippa because of her sass although all Lodge members are known to have participated in questionable Events and done questionable things. But seeing Yennefer betray everyone, even if it's in Ciri's best interests, just... no. Especially fellow Sorceresses like Margarita, who is one of her own best friends and remains oddly mute in this scene.
I would just not be able to look at Yennefer the same way if this Scene would've played through during my Game. Because something has to be done doesn't make it right.
On the other hand i'm also a bit bummed we once again were robbed of seeing that Nilfgaard is not always just bad and evil and cruel, but that they will honour valiant foes and pay them respect. To the point of following Skelliger customs, which tells it's not a half-arsed decision. I find that pretty significant. I always found it frustrating that despite being the overarching antagonists for the entire saga, they almost never get any development, we don't know much about their customs, beliefs, etc... And such little things are interesting.
Also, it's a detail, but i always found it odd that you meet Emhyr in the Quest "Veni, Vidi, Vigo", and then he's nowhere to be seen until the Ending of the Game, despite a battle raging or having raged around. That, and if you pay attention, you walk past his stranded Ship on the way to the Naglfar, there are frozen Nilfgaardian soldiers around, but that's it. Even prior to the battle you can walk around the Nilfgaardian encampment and strategize about everything, but he is nowhere to be seen. You'd think of all people Emhyr would have a thing or two to say about what to do during the Battle with Eredin.
Thank you! I feel the exact same, Yen could be ruthless and she definitely holds grudges towards some of the lodge sorceresses but this is way too much. I think Fringilla is more of a "friend" to her than Triss. Triss literally betrayed her and Ciri and heard to her face that Yen will never forgive her and yet they somehow remain "bffs". I feel like Triss is portrayed waaaay too much like an angel while Yen got the opposite treatment.
I also agree with the Nilfgaardian lore, I love the fact that they do things that are actually pretty damn good for the world even though they're extremely ruthless if something goes against them. It's a very interesting dynamic and seeing Crach's funeral should be in the game, it was pretty great scene and I'd love to keep that one.
Plus Geralt telling Emhyr to "kiss his ass" in front of his soldiers would not end up good for him, even more, that should be a game over screen like when you ask the Unseen Elder too many questions in Blood & Wine.
@@Synthia17 I *could* see Yen doing this, it's not totally out of character BUT i think even Yennefer would show more remorse about betraying the Lodge and condemning her "Sisters" to torture and most likely death. In that situation it's fair for Geralt to be disgusted by her actions, and quite frankly i could see it compromise their relationship, and even that she has with Ciri, who would probably not agree to have condemned several people to a dreadful fate on her behalf. And i 200% agree that the Games portray Triss as the cute, sweet, caring angel who never does anything wrong, when all things considered, she abused Geralt while he had amnesia, knowing he was with Yen, knowing she might still be alive, and her trying hard to be Ciri's "big sister" is so cringe because it's really just to get closer to Geralt. Yennefer is the one who -despite her flaws- will get to hell and back for Geralt and Ciri and is ready to sacrifice everything for them.
I also like how Crach's funerals is another proof that Hjalmar would be a moronic and brutish King. Yes his Father just died he's upset, but he's close to causing a diplomatic incident while the Nilfgaardians went out of their way to restitue the body, following Skelligers customs, so that Crach might go to Skelliger Valhalla and get a burial fit for a King. I hate it when people mindlessly antagonise Emhyr. Yes, he's one of the main antagonists of the Franchise, yes he's done despicable things and yes he's utterly ruthless, but he's more nuanced and complex that just "big bad evil man".
And as you say, from the very beginning of the Game when you meet Emhyr in Vizima, Geralt is subtly warned not to try his patience by being impertinent because he knows he's needed, so most interactions are extremely passive-aggressive (and quite frankly during Veni, Vidi Vigo i even found them hilarious) but to openly flip-off the Emperor of Nilfgaard, yes, that wouldn't fly. I *could* see Emhyr letting it slip if they were alone, but as you pointed out, there are soldiers around who would've witnessed Geralt getting away with such disrespect, it's just weird. It should totally get a Game over screen.
The absolute state of Netflix casting. Pathetic
I kinda like this ending ngl, but only because it offers some more context on what COULD actually happen regarding the whole Lodge plot. However, it's a bit too much of a stretch imo, Yennefer's willingness to just throw them all in the trash bin. I see lots of people here debate whether Yen hates her "sisters" or whether she would never cross a line like that, how she will do anything to protect Ciri, etc. etc., BUT...
It seems like everyone forgets that Yen is also somewhat of a politician and an important part of the now dwindling magical society? She was brought up by Aretuza, she is not just some random rogue hedge mage. She sees what is happening to the world, she is not blind. And she must have at least some idea of what all these developments could lead to... With all the other Lodge sorceresses gone, what would stop Emhyr to just get rid of her too? Would he not be aware of the possibility of a massive conflict of interest over Ciri in the future? Or does Yen just have plot armor? Does she really want to go full in that glorious "peaceful" future Emhyr is building? Where all mages are also unquestionably under his heel. Has she suddenly become a rabid imperialist? I am just not buying it. "Morally grey" is cool, but she cannot just suddenly stop being a mage. This is ultimately what she is and will always be.
Besides, it's not like Philippa is trying to sacrifice Ciri to old gods or smth. Yes, she wants the girl, but so does everyone. And her vision of the future for Ciri might very well be more lenient than that harbored by Emhyr... Idk. Better the devil you know. Or worked with at least. With Emhyr having the final say in EVERYTHING and holding the leash, I doubt very much that Yen would just serve her possible allies on a silver platter to him so easily. Last but not least... This part where you enter the tent, and the sorceresses are talking about teaching more adepts. Idk, it kinda touched me? It's not like they are plotting the end of the world. I am sure that their sentiment is one Yen would gladly get behind. They are cut from the same cloth after all. 🤕
Torture and death for Eilhart? Damn, I like Yen now
I think the decision was made because the writers chose that their version of Yennefer wouldn't do something like this. I think the writers kept pretty faithful to the book Yen but I do think that maybe you could argue book Yen would do something like this especially after finding out that the Lodge were planning to use and manipulate Ciri for their political aspirations, but I think through this decision of the developers we can assume that eventually even if they had the idea for a long time and pretty much had it in the finished game, they ultimately chose that their Yen wouldn't go this far. But I will add a point that I don't think this would be a unique thing for Yen, people who aren't parents will never understand the lengths their parents would go to if they had to to protect them until they become parents themselves, I can see the majority of parents doing something like this and worse if it meant saving their child. They wouldn't be proud or happy about it maybe even be ashamed but the length a parent would go to protect their child are enormous, even adopted child the instinct is the same. Point and case Joel from Last of Us (even though I like The Last of Us characters less than Witcher 3)
Also you showed The Witcher book in my native Hebrew which is awesome so thanks for that lol even though the translation is legit awful uninspired and lazy. They just used the word for "Wizard" or "sorcerer" in Hebrew to describe Witchers not even trying to come up with a unique term.
Man thank you for the update but this is huge we will have a massive content surge of restored Witcher 3 cut content and maybe just maybe the modders could restore the cut content regarding the state of reason mission
Obviously the best thing about redkit is Yennefer in that mini skirt. I mean god dayumn.
Saw this a couple of weeks ago. It's interesting but I think the placement breaks the flow of the narrative which is probably why they removed it. You do the whole Eriden/Caranthir fight then it wraps up so you can wander around camp post fight, asking if anyone has seen Ciri, before going to the tower? I think the way they ended up doing it was better. It's also another nail in the coffin for Yen for anyone who hasn't read the books. She already has very few chances to shine in the game, often coming across as a total bitch. This just makes her look even worse. I really think CDPR should have shown more of Yen's softer side, smooth off her rough edges.
Showing Yen being ruthless when it comes to protecting her closed ones is amazing, and since in the base game we don't have much of it, the idea of her betraying the Lodge for Ciri sounds cool. Not sure i like the way it's supposed to be implemented (if what shown in the video would've ended up being the implementation ofc) with all these corrupted spell and response to Emhyr by Geralt stuff, but i'd probably be down for that anyway - the run through Skellige would feel less rushed (cause in the base game it kinda is) and it'd bring more depth to characters, which is always nice.
Ciri isn't the only one she's close to though. SOme of the members of the lodge are he best friends for decades, she went to school with some of them. She'd betray Philippa to the Emperor in a heart beat, but not Keira and Margarita.
@@LeutnantJoker Yen is not a good person, so this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. She certainly wasn't good in the books either, just think of all the horrible stuff she did in The Last Wish alone. Honestly I think some fans think of Yennefer as better than how she's actually portrayed. Specially in the books.
@@ShonendoBy the end of the books, she's a really good person. Better than in the games.
@@Masloy940 Yen doing a couple of good things near the end doesn't erase the multitude of horrible things she did along the way. The Witcher 3 Yen is very accurate.
@@Shonendo By the end of the books, Yennefer does much more than just a couple of good things, and she develops as a character. In the game, it's like her initial version.
29:24 OMG IT'S THE HEBREW COVER, you're my man
(also for everyone interested: it's the cover for The Last Wish, aka the only Witcher book translated to Hebrew so far)
What do you think about the translation I think it's not bad at all
I wish more parts would get translated
i feel like the "Complete Edition" should've contained all the cut content. This adds so much depth to the story
It’s interesting, it shows what lengths Yenn would go for Ciri. I wonder if Emhyr had plans to find Keira Metz.
Personally I prefer not having Yennefer ending on such a dark and traitorous note. If CDPR had a non treason ending I'd pick that but otherwise I prefer the original. There is a difference between Yen the ruthless and Yen the traitorous.
Is it possible it was cut last minute to try and save content for a future project? (DLC that never happened, or possibly the next game) Maybe they wanted to leave room for more Lodge plotlines.
Wow, Yennifer committed exactly one good thing in her life by betraying the Lodge! Very nice.
i honestly dont know what to think of this, i always knew that the ending was "rushed" but if this was the official ending it would be bit too much to swallow atleast for me
Damn, so much fully voiced, animated, written content just removed from the game. Makes it cool to find these things even so many years after this beautiful game's launch.
Pretty shocking that Yenn would backstab the sorceresses like that.... Philippa I get, she's a threat to Ciri as influence, Fringilla she has a grudge against but Margarita? She never did anything bad to her or Ciri
yeah once ciri is found it all went down so fast this cut content is nice to see that it slows down a bit lets you catch a breath
Damn, this whole thing was perfect. I really liked Yen's cold betrayal of the Lodge. It was totally in character for Ciri.
it wouldn't be so easy to capture the most powerful sorceresses like that with couple of soldiers , I think it was cut for good reason capturing them would be complicated they could burn the whole camp down
This is really great restored Content which largely stays true to Yennefers character, but, thanks to Dialogue Options, less so for Gerald, who wouldn't hestitate to find Ciri once again, Orders or not. If only they would've made V way less judgemental.
Also, finally some recocnition for Crachs death!
Now, i don't know if this is something for you, who had covered Mods before, but those were directly for the Witcher Games, not Witcher Mods for other Games, but just in case, there is one development right now for Mount & Blade: Warband, by a polish person from the looks of it.
The Mod prides itself by taking Inspiration from the Books, all of CDPR's Games, Comics and foremost of all, "0% by Netflix TV Series".
Need to know what Warband (and it's prequel, Bannerlord) actually is? You'll find out soon enough, Lethalis.
Take Care.
Honestly, all these cut scenes and other scenes that were removed, should be restored by the developers in a future update. The scenes seen in this video feel like they were missing key points in the game, especially the ending portion on Unvik.
Stuff gets cut for a reason. Characters are WAY off in this content.
Yennefer partaking in the locating spell is because Vilgefortz forced her in the books to locate Ciri in the same way and by extension Geralt. Don't think the spell is what allows her to put down the sorceresses
I'm not sure why everyone says this would have destroyed Yen's character and destroyed the pacing. Here's how I view this:
1. Yennefer was shown to act morally dubious throughout the game for the wellbeing of Ciri. She literally practiced necromancy on a young man and basically tortured him for information. She worked with Emhyr and Nilfgaard to find Ciri. It makes sense Emhyr - being the man he is - would have wanted more from her than "JUST" her help for finding Ciri, since he (or rather his mages) helped her regain her memory, among other things. Of course this would have made her look bad but at the same time, she doesn't seem to be enjoying it one bit. Second of all, she helps Triss and risks everything, shown in the exchange with Emhyr who seems very displeased that even ONE of them escaped and he knew exactly who most likely had a hand in it.
Additionally, has everyone forgotten what the Lodge is capable of? They are one of the main reasons the North is destablized and suffers from Nilfgaard and - indirectly - caused the witch hunt too. Then there's all the things they did (or tried to do) in the books. And the prime example, the pinnacle being Witcher 2, with Philippa at the forefront. Sure, Margarita's arrest sucks but even she's not entirely innocent, probably.
Plus, isn't it very poetic that Philippa is taken down by Yennefer - at that point in time - of all people? For me it is.
There are quite a few things that were cut about Yennefer and her character that I'm glad were cut because it WOULD have ruined her character development from the books - definitely. This isn't one of those things, in my opinion. As someone else stated, it also fits the moral bleakness of the books and previous games very well, something that I felt was sometimes missing in Witcher 3.
2. I don't think it ruins the pacing either. The whole thing about the Tower was poorly set up from the get go (at least in Release 😏) but even then, it's a major plot point from the books that comes out of nowhere almost immediately. It's good to have a break after the Eredin fight to catch your breath after ALL the action and get to see some of the impacts of Nilfgaard on Skellige and such.
I also really like how Geralt behaves in this section. Very cold, very urgent and annoyed - especially at Philippa. Finally some good throwbacks at her. Not to mention the legendary "Kiss my ass, Emhyr".
Excited for more coverage on future restorations like these. I'm sure there'll be a lot to cover yet. :D
Honestly think if they just played the journey to the tower as normal and everything with Ciri then the Lodge plot happening after the big choice of Ciri’s fate? I think that would work especially when visiting Emyhr
The segment between fight with Eredin and the bit with Avallach would be a perfect time to see the consequences of some of Geralt's choices and plots he had no way of knowing or influencing. It should hammer home that for all of Geralt's work, he's just one witcher, one man. He set off to find his adoptive daughter, ended up affecting the world somewhat, but in the end there are bigger fishes in the pond (it's a similar feeling to meeting the Unseen Elder or Gaunter in expansions). TW2 had a similar interactive segment after the last boss. I hope modders can completely restore what's left and patch in what's been omitted, I'm always a fan of restoring official content that enriches game's plot.
I'm confused, why would Yen need to hand over the sorceresses to Emhyr? In which way would he be useful?
Yennefer needed the Lodge to fight the Hunt, and to convince them she lied about the amnesty
I wish the Lodge betrayal was in the game. Fuckin hate the Lodge, most of all Philippa
Why would you hate them?
@@mrlucky9157 because their insatiable thirst for power and subsequent power games brought misery to everyone
@@mrlucky9157 so you haven't played the witcher 2 have you?
they are the reason radovid started the witch hunts
and the war too in a way
they shouldn't just get away with it
After all this years i find out that I could witness the fate of the lodge, especially Filippa's arrest and presumable death, and the CDPR took it from me? My heart is broken
I could see Yen just saying f--- it all to Hell with them after the mess in Witcher 2.
Yen is responsible for the mess in Witcher 2
@mrlucky9157 true enough, the Empire magic users really helped dig a lot of things from her mind, and she wasn't in such a good position to resist most of it.
I would have liked for Yen's reasoning to be more fleshed out - and given more time and dialogue 🤔
Geralt's "positive" dialogue option implies that he suspects/understands that there was "no other way", i.e. Emhyr forced her hand and all she could do was save at least one (Triss)
Keeping this in mind, all the "negative" options are thus wildly ignorant of Geralt (and so not like him), but, I guess, they are there for those players who: a. haven't paid attention, b. dislike Yen, c. are rping a "bad" Geralt, etc.
In the end, I don't mind that the Lodge's fate was left open, as this gives Ciri (or whomever) interesting plot threads to follow (up on) in Witcher 4 😏😇
Also, having everything tied up in a neat narrative bow would quickly put *you* out of opportunities to speculate 😈
I thought, he said "I won't pursue her" because Geralt failed to protect Ciri but he won't avenge it with Triss
I see why this was cut , it's super off tone to the rest of the ending of the game.
Ohh now the line Emhyr says to Geralt at the end about not pursuing Triss make sense. Anyway I like that they cut this out because it make Yen look so bad.
Yennefer would never do this. Let's not forget one member of the lodge is the former head of Thanedd and they were very close friends. She's friends with Keira as well. She hates Phillippa and disagrees with the concept of the lodge and certainly never forgave them for what they wanted to do with Ciri in the books, but no way she'd let those members of the lodge that she's close to die. Triss isn't her only friend among them.
Scenes get cut from books, movies, games for a reason. I never liked "restored deleted scenes" in movies, because most of them were cut for a good reason, and this is the same.
HIs Skellige friends know exactly that Geralt doesn't get involved with wars, so they wouldn't react to him like that just for being in the enemy's camp. And No way Yennefer would act like this. The entire point of her character is that she's a very loyal and vulnerable person under that cold bitch persona. She isn't like this.
Even in the books when she's incredibly cruel to Geralt and fuming that he left her, she still does things to keep him safe and well behind the scenes. She deeply cares, she just is unable to express that. That's her entire character down to the representation in her black and white getup. There's no middle ground with her. She's not a traitor to her friends. And she also knows that Keira and some other members of the lodge were way less strict about Ciri's fate than Philippa was. Her rivaly was always with Phillippa alone, not with any of the others so much. She's certainly not a fan of Fringilla or Francesca, but she's friends with half the lodge members.
It's interesting to see this content, but it doesn't belong in the game.
If anything they should try to fix the quest with Dijkstra because that one REALLY doesn't make any sense.
Yennefer needs the Lodge to fight the Hunt, and in order to do so she needs to offer garantuees on the members of the lodge about a non existant amensty. So Yennefer would definetely do that. There are multiple set ups in the game that go nowhere because of this cut
@moonknightish even if she was willing to do it, she wouldn't because she knows geralt and tries would never forgive her. Remember geralt is friends with some of them too.
I kinda like that ending, but it's really heavy and dark, maybe that's why the devs deleted it, they wanted a quick and painless resolution for us so we don't bother about some political issues. At least Filippa finally got what she deserved and was deafeated with her own weapon wich is satysfying, I don't have any doubt that she would kill the empress Ciri if she'd need to. Also as you said the tension is really dead, the hunt for Avallac'h in the middle of the battle is really epic in the official ending.
Not a book nut here, but speaking strictly within the game, Yen really seemed annoying - complete disregard to human life, traditions and customs. And since i love to roleplay as a "goody two shoes" Gerald i always was pushing back against her methods, which she was responding with disregard to Geralds feelings. This cut content supports the Yen character i was trying to avoid - she doesn't have much afterthought about the mages. She thinks that by saving Triss she somehow redeems herself. Poor excuse to my taste. She is quick to judge what is a nonsense, what must be done and who should live and die. Yet another miss with the Gerald - who supposedly is morally gray. Hm, just occured to me why Yen likes black and white 😄
How for next details you missed video , i noticed something in the the tower of mice quest with keira metz when you go to visit graham you can see he has a noose hung up behind him like he was going to take his own life before he got there and probably why that other villager was banging on the door. Just noticed this on my second play through
I believe I've mentioned this in some of my videos
I could understand Yenn betraying the lodge. They're as much a danger to Ciri as Eridin or at least the lodge would try to use her for their own gains. Winning the battle against Eridin was really only half the battle if Yenn wanted Ciri to be free to live her life as she saw fit. Ciri wouldn't be pursued by the wild hunt or scheming sorceresses.
I just hope someone creates an ending with this toolkit where Dijkstra makes the same deal as Emhyr with Roche … no one would ever pick a different ending then?
Modders truly embody the soul of gaming passionately.
As always, love your hard work too xLetalis.
Could Yennefer betray the lodge if she technically wasnt part of it?
Damn, this is really fascinating. Shame they didn't keep it all in, polished ofcourse.
Know it surely never happen, but wish CDPR could decide to release/sell an official and true "Extended Ultimate Edition" of the game in the future, adding all the cut content and unfinished quest, hiring the help of some of most the talented moders out there, which would be a win win for everyone: The company, the moders and the fans🤷♂️. Also, I don't mind much about "pase issues", cos we all had experienced the intended 2015 devs vision/product, but I do want anything, everything "new" added to an already awesome huge story🤷♂️
This was really interesting to see.
The big problem I see with this, though, is the idea that Geralt was out for an extended period (given Yenn's quip about 3 days without sleep, I would assume he's been unconscious for at least one) and Yennefer and Emhyr were both 100% fine with everyone just sitting on their thumbs waiting for him to come to while Ciri was gods know where. It's not like Geralt actually contributed anything to the spell to locate her and even if he did know where she went, two people as impatient for results as Yenn and Emhyr would certainly exhaust the alternatives while Geralt was out.
As much as it would have been horrendous from a player's perspective, it would've made as a timeline if Geralt woke up to the news "Triss disappeared, the other sorceresses are being tortured - no time to explain. We know Ciri is somewhere on this island. Are you ready to join the search?"
Adding to that, it makes sense for Avallac'h to make good use of the commotion and act quickly. Why on earth would he wait and give anyone time to thwart his plan?
@@Bronzescorpion A very good point. Although, since this is essentially a completely different iteration of the story from the one we received in the end, something like that could be explained away with something like there's a great deal of setup that needs to be done before he could truly initiate things. It would've felt a bit awkward but not too glaringly illogical.
I found it interesting that Yen saves Triss no matter what, because you could argue she have no reason to do so. Triss slept with Geralt when he had lost his memory despite the fact he was her supposed best friend Yen’s lover.
If you romance Triss you could make the argument that Yen saves her more for Geralt’s sake then for Triss herself but I don’t know.
My reasoning is that it’s maybe in return for Triss helping at the Battle of Kaer Morhen. Triss shows up there no matter what, even if you refuse to help her save the Mages in Novigrad.
How was Triss supposed to know that Yennefer was alive? Yes, she slept with him, she loved him. Yennefer also slept with the witchers of the snake school Letho says about it
Great work, you and glassfish! Love the cut content. It tied up 2 important loose ends (Crachs body and the fate of the Lodge), I wish it was given a third thought and included this in the game itself for just one reason: nobody comes out the winner here. Both Skellige and Nilfgaard suffered heavy losses. The surviving Lodge members may have escaped Radovid but fell into another ruler who shared Radovid's distrust with the Lodge (though Emhyr is slightly better with possibly showing a bit of leniency and we all know Philippa did not die at the hands of the empire if we read what happened to her in the books). As for the third reason why I prefer this to be included- purely my selfish reason: MORE EMHYR CONTENT! Cant get enough of Charles Dance XD, and more opportunity to take screenshots of Emhyr in settings other than his office in Vizima (shame my dino PC cant handle it 😢 and most everyone I know has moved on to other games for me to ask for pics). Anyways, thank you for this wonderful video that is now included in my Favorites Playlist!
I think this actually confirms that Philippa's book fate is canon. We know she's been tortured to death by Willemer, a Temerian priest. This works in all three endings - in Nilfgaard victory one, it's possible Emhyr would hand Philippa over to Temerians as the figure behind the assassination of Foltest, Dijkstra would probably barter her from the Nilfs at peace talks to do the same (as for him, she's too dangerous to live), and Radovid is, well, Radovid. It just changes the context from "a random victim of witch hunts" to "Emhyr's prisoner who's facing the consequences of her political machinations."
I kinda like this deleted ending more.
1:04 spat my drink out😂😂😂
love your vids man, specially the way u break things down.
I found that the B&W dlc specific wines has only but specific spawn points is there any way to acquire b&w wines with console command perhaps the Fiorano and Guillaume du Bois' soulful wine?
Thank god this was deleted, CDPR already destroyed Djikstra character, they also destroying Yennefer will made me hate TW3 ngl.
Destroying Yen? What?
Please expand on your point im intrigued
How could they delete this? Yennefer just teleporting Geralt out from the ship is so cheap... CDPR thought this ending would be too long? But destroying the Lodge feels so right.
I'm with you. Think it would have been a great addition to the game. And I'm still amazed you're able to bring new content for this, the greatest of all games.
Hmm, I am going to comment here defending the writer's decision to scrap this whole plot, and I think including it would've been to the detriment of the whole story, here are my reasons;
1. It would ruin the whole 'Yen vs Triss' debate, that we witcher fans have loved to have. Essentially, these actions of Yen's are so indefensible as to make most people very repulsed by her.
2. I would argue (I know that I am in the minority, judging by the comments) that these actions are not in keeping with her character. Book Yen doesn't go after the lodge, looking for revenge, even though they have betrayed her, and done some pretty despicable things to her. People will point to the whole episode with Istred, but my take away from the books is that most of the relationship issues that Geralt and Yen have, are primarily due to Geralt's self-loathing. Really, the lowest point in the books for Yen in a morality sense, was her willingness to kill a dragon in order to have a child.
3. This would've seriously upset the tempo and flow towards the catharsis at the end, and would've made the whole ending rather anti-climactic and overly drawn out.
So in my mind, this is not part of my cannon, as the game's writers did not include it, so neither do I, as interesting as this whole thing is. I dunno, as Slyvia Anna would say, maybe I just really want my happy ending...
makes sense to have this nilfgaard/skellige content in that phase of the game, as it was it felt kinda fragmented
Good Deleted Scene.
I don't think Geralt or Yen would do this. Work with Emhyr and betray the Lodge.
Possible for Ciri, but... I don't know.
I'd like to see some sort of conclusion the the fate of Lodge, but it's definitely not this. I do thing that Yen would sacrifice Lodge to save Ciri if she didn't have any other option, but this sequence really doesn't convince me that this is the case. She could - and I am absolutely certain that she would - do a million different things to make sure they at least get a fighting chance, or even escape fully.
She probably wouldn't mind Philippa no longer being able to meddle in Ciri's affairs, but Margarita is her closest friend, and while she has ample reasons to hate Fringilla, she also kinda owes her for helping her escape the Lodge. There is zero chance that Yen would just betray those two in order to keep good relationship with Emhyr.
Of course even the idea that Geralt, Yen and Ciri don't mind interacting with Emhyr already requires insane mental gymnastics to make any sense of, so just adding 'Yennefer really wants good standing with him' to it is not even the worst part. Still, I'm glad they kept it out. It would make the games make even less sense in comparison to book characters
but why sacrifcing the lodge ? they helped her to find Ciri they didnt do anything wrong. She is bitchy here.
Yennefer says she doesn't trust Margarita when you sent Ciri to talk with the Lodge. It's clear that CDPR didn't remember the relationship between the 2 characters from the books, but it's not necessarily inconsistent to how it is in the game
She had a choice, after defeating Eredin she could tell the rest of the sorceresses to flee
@@Diego-rt2ot I know, right? She didn’t even know that they would need the Lodge to find Ciri again, she says she thought Ciri was with Geralt when they meet outside hospital.
So she had at least a few hours to either trap the Lodge or make sure they leave. Instead she just hoped they would hang around?
I find it hard to believe that she wouldn’t have found Triss and told her “Do me a favour and take Margarita and Fringilla for a little sightseeing trip to Kovir, immediately, you understand?”
I’m approaching this as someone who’s played the game AND read the books… I personally HATE the lodge and phillipa. To me, this is yennefers payback for when phillipa betrayed yennefer in the tower of swallow. So I actually really like this ending haha.
I honestly prefer it to be scrapped. I think that we would miss a very important argument between Geralt and Yen...
Even if you romanced her - I don't think Geralt would look at her the same way afterwards. She never even hinted at this to him either. I think that this would form unrepairable cracks in their relationship and kinda ruin their ending together imo.
Why would it do that? Geralt hates the lodge
@@moonknightish Geralt doesn't care for the lodge, but as almost all dialog options rightfully portray - he didn't think Yen would do that. He wouldn't trust her anymore, atleast not fully.
Maybe some believable, character fitting dialog afterwards, making them discuss these events, could work that together in a somewhat satisfying way - but leaving it like this right there... Nope. Geralt wouldn't just don't care that Yen lied to everyone like this, even to him, about such a thing and don't even blink an eye.
@@xZFeroxZx she has been lying to him throughout the whole game because she isn't sure if he'll agree to her actions
One more lie won't make much of a difference
@@mohamedosama5340 bro I don't want to be rude or insulting but how on earth could you possibly think that those are the same kinda lies and things. It's not just another lie. The sheer extreme of this one is the problem.
@@xZFeroxZx the thing is yennefer throughout the game has been doing what needs to be done but was hiding them because she was afraid geralt won't have the stomach for them
And since the emperor would never let the lodge roam free and yennefer needs their help then there was no other choice than to betray them
they clearly intended to manipulate ciri too, so one more reason to get rid of them
I heard about that cut content. One theory for its removal is that it made Yen excessively "evil". Which I kinda understand, given how much flak from the fanbase she already gets for doing what had to be done. However, I agree the Lodge would have deserved better closure... and besides, based on the books, Yen has no reason to be friendly toward the Lodge for trying to steal Ciri from her (she's way too friendly with them in the game, in fact), it makes some sense she would take revenge.
Dude warn us next time you show the "beautiful" sorcerressess from the show.
Today I was watching video with AI generated voice of geralt.. First thing that came to my mind was that one mod where you meet with everyone on weding day (Geralt's and Yenn's ) which has no voice actors...
Man i gotta play Witcher 3 now that we have this awesome mod tool.
It’s hilarious how people thought that shallow ass Elden Ring DLC was going to top blood and wine when Elden ring as a hole isn’t as good as blood and wine as there’s clearly not enough, love passion and content put into it the way blood and wine was handcrafted as such, and that’s not even getting into overall scope of the witcher 3. Witcher 3 is still king
2024 and my man xLetalis still making Witcher videos.
I think it's good that they cut this. I'm not sure what it adds to the story, and it just extends the endgame into another "where is ciri" moment. I get the idea that Yen does terrible things and breaks all her personal rules when it comes to Ciri's safety - but I feel the game addresses that quite well with her destroying Freya's garden for a necromancy spell. Yen isn't a sweetie pie but she's not a monster either - this cut content pushes the cruelty over the edge.
I guess they didn't want Yennefer to look bad with this whole betrayal of the Lodge.
But I'm ngl, I kinda wish they had kept this in, even if it's a variation of it.
Just the whole dialogue between Yen & Triss, Emhyr, Geralt & other characters it just felt engaging.
no i totally agree its to not make yen look bad. i dont think that its because its so totally out of character, but because it needs more time to integrate this action back into her character, its right at the very very end of the game and could easily give people the wrong impression.
Yennefer would look bad only because CDPR made a shit job in explaining what the Lodge was to people who never read the books or played Witcher 2
@@moonknightish Nope, I read the books, and I still think Yen betraying all the lodge members is not something she would do. Phillipa and Fringilla? Sure. She has beef with them and I can see her happily getting rid of them to save Ciri from their future schemes. But Keira? And esp Margarite? Keira is a pompous prick but she poses no danger to Ciri, and Marg has no interest in politics and is only part of the lodge to support her school. There is no justice in betraying her, at ALL.
@@DemBigOlEyes I was going to say the same exact thing, I find it very out of character for her to betray whatever is left of the lodge just like that. Especially Rita. The lodge can't really force her to do things for them anyway, as it was said when Ciri met with them, she's grown up and can understand when people want to take advantage of her and when not.
And Yen seems to have come in terms with the past, in the end all sorceresses where taken advantage or mistreated or tortured or killed. So I'd say there's a mutual understanding of their hardships.
Emhyr on the other hand had much more vile ideas about Ciri imo, he even killer her mother and after that he was plotting on how to find and take advantage of her power. Yen is not stupid, she's smart enough to understand that Emhyr is a bigger threat than the lodge and I feel she'd rather take him out of the way first
Maybe they discarded this ending because they plan to use the sorceresses in Witcher 4. The Lodge wanted Ciri for their own plans too so maybe in Witcher 4 you play as Ciri, the lodge has gotten strong again and they hunt Ciri.
I can’t imagine Yen betraying Margarita like that. They and Tissea all seemed very much on the same page. If Cori weren’t in the picture, Yen probably would’ve been a member of the Lodge.
Yen is not a good person, so this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. She certainly wasn't good in the books either, just think of all the horrible stuff she did in The Last Wish alone. Honestly I think some fans think of Yennefer as better than how she's actually portrayed. Specially in the books.
@@Shonendo I don't know...
1) The story arc was supposed to be that Ciri made Geralt and Yen better people than they had been before.
2) While Yen doesn't give 2 shits are morals and ethical rules, she does care about her people. She would definitely hurt 1,000s of strangers to help Ciri, but not 10s of friends. (It's why she saved Triss.)
3) Yen was willing to had Ciri over to Margarita for a few years to teach her.
4)
@@macgarnicle I mean, nothing you just said contradicts what happened in this removed content. Yen betrayed them, including Margarita, under the pretext of "protecting Ciri". While the story arc may have improved a thing or two about Yen, Yen is still Yen. Nothing here is out of character for her.