Went a 6 speed in my old 2018 and now got the 10 speed in the 20 and hands down amazing ! The 6 was rough on shifting and shit on fuel mileage. The 10 speed is so nice and smooth great on fuel and just seems way better so far
@@BST49 just curious because I'm looking at buying a truck with one if these, did you add a tuner or do any mods at all that increased the engines power? Thanks in advance
Tuning these 10speed transmissions is getting almost easier when compared to a 6r140. This is because the TCM on the 10 speeds are so good at self learning/correcting along with having multiple windows to shut off self learning in areas that you need to if things don't play nice. Look at it like when wideband correction for gasoline cars first came out. It was hard to tune and it took experience to understand false data vs good data and where and how to make changes to get your desired results. Now look at new cars or a Holley ECU, we set a target and they pretty much hit that target flawlessly themselves even with a rugged base map. They even tell us how far off target we are and where to make changes to meet our targets. 10 speeds are very similar and they are very good at meeting targets, you as a tuner still have to know what is a good, or acceptable target. Bad targets will still create bad results and burnt down transmissions, or break shafts from binding clutches like was stated in this podcast. Don't think you can just jump into transmission tuning either, it takes years and years to really understand them.
transmission trans-brakes and or drifting a thing for this 10speed allison also is manual clutch & and flappy paddle mode a thing like it is for the hellcat 8HP and or is this more stronger/better build??
Apparently these ten speeds have been plagued with nothing but problems. I watched a teardown on one on precision transmissions youtube. The amount of wear on a nearly new trans was astonishing.
@@drewburgess8097 so something like turbo-lamic TCM kit and or aftermarket tuning? fix most of it or all of it ? is the big-3 working on updating the code/tunes? you mention small 10 are you saying 10R80 or 100-size or the 1-ton 130-180 size transmission?
@@drewburgess8097 for racing/car/lightening to GVW of 3k-5k LB's and 10r140 is aftermarket hard part's needed as a mod? or over kill aka failure mode's? looked at the 80 and it mostly looked like tunes and coolers and a higher capacity torque/HD aftermarket converter , maybe i missed something but i have driven 2 different v6 10-speed ford's and only once did it have problems with it/throttle body out of 20k or so mile's and yes i feel tuning could be a little better and or missing the 3d pedal
@@richardprice5978 yeah the 10r80 you’ll find in the f150’s and such. Those are notorious for having hard jerky shifts and clutch pack wearouts or whatever they would like to call it. I had a 19 and ended up getting the oz tune which took away probably 90% of the shifting jerkiness but I think at that point the damage was done. They allegedly fixed it for the 2020/2021 but my 21 still had the issues and I traded it in with less than 10k 😂 if you want a heavy duty I’d get the 3500 Cummins, with the aisin. That would be the best bet for a rock solid combo, the truck itself sucks compared to the ford but at least it’ll last to 200+
Revmax makes some great parts and builds great transmissions. I would love to buy a built 68rfe for my truck, but they are expensive. you would think ram would build a much beefier transmission.
So I wanna know, is the 10L100 (Chevrolet) the same transmission as the 10R140 (Ford)? And I mean the exact same transmission, I don't mean similar, I mean exact. I heard bolt for bolt they're the same?
Both the 10L1000 and the 10R140 are supersized versions of (Ford-designed) 10R80 JV trans. But the 10L1000 and 10R140 are not bolt for bolt the same because Ford and GM developed these transmission independently... yet both came from the same starting point. Make sense?
Allison is the only word in transmissions that you can trust unfortunately GM has now spit on that name that is NOT a true Allison ever since detroi/Allison was bought out by Daimler I knew it was just a matter of time before they killed the 1000 series
Have you guys done a flow up on theses 10 speeds? Both gm and for seen to have to many problems with the software. I deal a lot with hot shot trucks. I got a dodge on order, they shut the plant down until February on the HD and said the allison is coming by 2023 and I don't know if I want one.
There's been a whole lot of 2020 model 10R140's behind the 7.3 Godzilla Gas engine replaced under warranty by Ford. Some called this the Gen1. Had a chain driven oil pump that chewed up the insides. Haven't been able to find if it was fixed by the '21 model. Too bad they just didn't use an Allison. They're an independent company now I hear.
What's the engine oil pump have to do with the transmission? And Allison don't build GMs transmissions anymore. Lots of article's out there confirming that Allison let GM use the name only for the latest gen transmission. That being said Fords 10 speeds are nugget and day better than GMs version. From Muatang/F150 versions to the Superdutys larger 10 speed.
@@Dfour Never said anything about an engine oil pump. The reports said a chain driven oil pump. Apparently the trans used a chain drive somewhere. That trans was a collaboration between GM and Ford which sounds like a really bad idea from the get go.
Ford had some production level teething problems but that doesn't mean the Allison was the way to go. The 10R140's input shaft and converter hub dwarf the Allison 10L1000's and both are essentially supersized versions of the Ford designed 10R80 JV transmission. While the Allison and Torqueshift are indeed different they are also remarkably similar sharing the same 10R80 origins.
Why fight with this. These are working trucks designed for hard use. Please big 3 provide us with a simple durable manual 6-7 speed manual with a good clutch. This would last a lot longer and would be easier to repair.
This is the end of an w Era ive been a diesel mechanic my whole life there is no longerr going to be guys successfully building transmissions in their garage alot of guys may try but its over with theres not going to be anymore working on these tgings in your garage you may swao things but youre not gonna be having fun modifying things yourself anymore
The 10L1000 and 10R140 have nothing to do with each other. Ford "partnered" with GM on the 10R80. Not the 10R140. And GM developed the 10L1000 with Allison Transmission. Ford was not remotely involved.
This podcast is complete misinformation as far as I can tell. NO ONE shows that this heavy duty 10R140 has anything to to with the Allison Branded 10 speed. They say the parts are the same with twin part numbers on them from Ford and Chevy, that can't be true either as the gear ratios are not all the same either. This info in this podcast cannot be verified by anyone else.
Everything in the podcast is accurate. Gear ratios? So if one GM 12-bolt has a 3.36 ratio open diff and another GM 12-bolt has a 3.70 Posi diff does that mean both aren't GM 12-bolts? No one is saying the Allison 10L1000 and the Ford 10R140 are exactly the same. They ARE extremely similar both being scaled up versions of the smaller 10R80. But Ford and GM didn't work together on the HD trans so there are many differences but they both remain variations of the same design.
@@BC08 everything isn't accurate. It isn't a co-developed transmission. Nothing anywhere but THIS podcast says that it is. And your analogy doesn't make any sense. The smaller 10 speed is the transmission that was pseudo jointly developed, or Ford developed and maybe Chevrolet based their heavy duty ten speed off of that. Fords 10-speed is unique from what I have found researching online. This podcast says that they're the same transmission with the exception of a handful of parts. I HIGHLY doubt that is an accurate statement.
@@anymanusa Have you been into both a 10L1000 and a 10R140 or does your expertise on the matter consist of reading GM press statements? My analogy should make plenty of sense to you if you get what actually makes a GM 12-bolt a GM 12-bolt. The Allison 10L1000 is based on the 10R80. It’s a scaled up and modded (by GM/Allison) 10R80. So is the Ford 10R140, except it was scaled up by Ford alone. The two HD trans have differences because they were developed independently with no intention of interchangeability but they both came from the same starting point and both are physically the exact same size. They are EXTREMELY similar transmissions. Boil down the statement “they are the same except for a handful parts” and it is fundamentally correct depending on your interpretation of a “handful”.
@@BC08 don't get cute or insulting about your analogy. It had/has no place in this discussion and didn't make any sense either. I assure you that I have a very in depth understanding of truck rear ends, but that is not the topic of discussion here. Now I believe that someone was very flippant with the term "the same minus a handful of parts". Is there any single part for either transmission that is the same that isn't a standard off the shelf item? Is there any co-developed parts? Is there even a single part that can be swapped between these transmissions that isn't an off the shelf part that was available to all prior to these transmissions being manufactured? These are all legitimate questions and if answered they should cut right through the BS that I smell in this podcast.
@@anymanusa The analogy made sense, objectively. Cute nor insults required… The tail shaft housing is directly interchangeable. Would you care to point out parts interchangeability between an E4OD and a 4R100? Does the lack of direct interchangeability change the fact that the 4R100 is direct evolution of the E40OD? You read some GM press releases and you think you have more of an insight that these guys who have been all through these transmissions in order to build them stronger than stock, you clearly don’t have more insight. I’m just pointing out the obvious for you .
So the transmission will handle 32000 lbs “just fine”… but won’t handle a 60hp tune and maybe some 37’s? At best a larger turbo 😂 thats not a good teans
Mines but out at 60k I abused it pretty impressed it lasted that long tune 5 all day long whether pulling a trailer or not. I bought 3 as spares changed it out in 2.5 hours 😂
Went a 6 speed in my old 2018 and now got the 10 speed in the 20 and hands down amazing ! The 6 was rough on shifting and shit on fuel mileage. The 10 speed is so nice and smooth great on fuel and just seems way better so far
Just having my 2020 10 speed transmission replaced with only 30000 miles on it. towed my 33 ft. 5th wheel maybe 1000 miles in the last 3 1/2 years.
@@BST49 just curious because I'm looking at buying a truck with one if these, did you add a tuner or do any mods at all that increased the engines power? Thanks in advance
Tuning these 10speed transmissions is getting almost easier when compared to a 6r140. This is because the TCM on the 10 speeds are so good at self learning/correcting along with having multiple windows to shut off self learning in areas that you need to if things don't play nice. Look at it like when wideband correction for gasoline cars first came out. It was hard to tune and it took experience to understand false data vs good data and where and how to make changes to get your desired results. Now look at new cars or a Holley ECU, we set a target and they pretty much hit that target flawlessly themselves even with a rugged base map. They even tell us how far off target we are and where to make changes to meet our targets. 10 speeds are very similar and they are very good at meeting targets, you as a tuner still have to know what is a good, or acceptable target. Bad targets will still create bad results and burnt down transmissions, or break shafts from binding clutches like was stated in this podcast. Don't think you can just jump into transmission tuning either, it takes years and years to really understand them.
transmission trans-brakes and or drifting a thing for this 10speed allison also is manual clutch & and flappy paddle mode a thing like it is for the hellcat 8HP and or is this more stronger/better build??
Great information and helpful in my decision to buy a new Duramax and leave it stock. Thank you!
Jim M thanks for listening!
Yep leave it stock and your truck will last forever
The 6R140 is a very stout transmission. I wonder if the 10R140 is just as strong?
Apparently these ten speeds have been plagued with nothing but problems. I watched a teardown on one on precision transmissions youtube. The amount of wear on a nearly new trans was astonishing.
it's just the clutch wearing out right? or is it other hardware?
@@richardprice5978 the tuning on these is awful, the small 10’s have a lot of clutch pack issues
@@drewburgess8097 so something like turbo-lamic TCM kit and or aftermarket tuning? fix most of it or all of it ?
is the big-3 working on updating the code/tunes?
you mention small 10 are you saying 10R80 or 100-size or the 1-ton 130-180 size transmission?
@@drewburgess8097 for racing/car/lightening to GVW of 3k-5k LB's and 10r140 is aftermarket hard part's needed as a mod? or over kill aka failure mode's?
looked at the 80 and it mostly looked like tunes and coolers and a higher capacity torque/HD aftermarket converter , maybe i missed something but i have driven 2 different v6 10-speed ford's and only once did it have problems with it/throttle body out of 20k or so mile's and yes i feel tuning could be a little better and or missing the 3d pedal
@@richardprice5978 yeah the 10r80 you’ll find in the f150’s and such. Those are notorious for having hard jerky shifts and clutch pack wearouts or whatever they would like to call it. I had a 19 and ended up getting the oz tune which took away probably 90% of the shifting jerkiness but I think at that point the damage was done. They allegedly fixed it for the 2020/2021 but my 21 still had the issues and I traded it in with less than 10k 😂 if you want a heavy duty I’d get the 3500 Cummins, with the aisin. That would be the best bet for a rock solid combo, the truck itself sucks compared to the ford but at least it’ll last to 200+
The 10 speed ford has a major recall on transmission, they are breaking all over the place
Revmax makes some great parts and builds great transmissions. I would love to buy a built 68rfe for my truck, but they are expensive. you would think ram would build a much beefier transmission.
Without enough room to add more clutches it sounds like its going to be near impossible to add more capacity without redoing everything
So.......please verify what I have been told. Is the new Ford and GM tranny the exact same transmission?? If not, which is better??
So I wanna know, is the 10L100 (Chevrolet) the same transmission as the 10R140 (Ford)? And I mean the exact same transmission, I don't mean similar, I mean exact. I heard bolt for bolt they're the same?
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Both the 10L1000 and the 10R140 are supersized versions of (Ford-designed) 10R80 JV trans. But the 10L1000 and 10R140 are not bolt for bolt the same because Ford and GM developed these transmission independently... yet both came from the same starting point. Make sense?
Sooooo, what this is telling me is that I should get an older PS with the 6 speed.
Allison is the only word in transmissions that you can trust unfortunately GM has now spit on that name that is NOT a true Allison ever since detroi/Allison was bought out by Daimler I knew it was just a matter of time before they killed the 1000 series
The 5r110 and 6r140 both are stronger than their Allison equivalent. Can't speak for the 10s.
@@user-bn1cz8vx4d I ended up with a 2017 6.7 and it's been a great truck
Have you guys done a flow up on theses 10 speeds? Both gm and for seen to have to many problems with the software. I deal a lot with hot shot trucks. I got a dodge on order, they shut the plant down until February on the HD and said the allison is coming by 2023 and I don't know if I want one.
"It's so different than any transmission ever before" "it's just like the Allison 10 speed."🤨
I know my speakers are not the best on my laptop, but sounds like the moderator is wispering, I can hear the guest better.
There's been a whole lot of 2020 model 10R140's behind the 7.3 Godzilla Gas engine replaced under warranty by Ford. Some called this the Gen1. Had a chain driven oil pump that chewed up the insides. Haven't been able to find if it was fixed by the '21 model. Too bad they just didn't use an Allison. They're an independent company now I hear.
What's the engine oil pump have to do with the transmission?
And Allison don't build GMs transmissions anymore. Lots of article's out there confirming that Allison let GM use the name only for the latest gen transmission.
That being said Fords 10 speeds are nugget and day better than GMs version. From Muatang/F150 versions to the Superdutys larger 10 speed.
@@Dfour Never said anything about an engine oil pump. The reports said a chain driven oil pump. Apparently the trans used a chain drive somewhere. That trans was a collaboration between GM and Ford which sounds like a really bad idea from the get go.
@@markhull1366 The chain runs the PTO if it has one.
Ford had some production level teething problems but that doesn't mean the Allison was the way to go. The 10R140's input shaft and converter hub dwarf the Allison 10L1000's and both are essentially supersized versions of the Ford designed 10R80 JV transmission. While the Allison and Torqueshift are indeed different they are also remarkably similar sharing the same 10R80 origins.
Why fight with this. These are working trucks designed for hard use. Please big 3 provide us with a simple durable manual 6-7 speed manual with a good clutch. This would last a lot longer and would be easier to repair.
Do you have a podcast on the aisin
This is the end of an w
Era ive been a diesel mechanic my whole life there is no longerr going to be guys successfully building transmissions in their garage alot of guys may try but its over with theres not going to be anymore working on these tgings in your garage you may swao things but youre not gonna be having fun modifying things yourself anymore
The 10L1000 and 10R140 have nothing to do with each other. Ford "partnered" with GM on the 10R80. Not the 10R140. And GM developed the 10L1000 with Allison Transmission. Ford was not remotely involved.
This podcast is complete misinformation as far as I can tell. NO ONE shows that this heavy duty 10R140 has anything to to with the Allison Branded 10 speed. They say the parts are the same with twin part numbers on them from Ford and Chevy, that can't be true either as the gear ratios are not all the same either.
This info in this podcast cannot be verified by anyone else.
Everything in the podcast is accurate. Gear ratios? So if one GM 12-bolt has a 3.36 ratio open diff and another GM 12-bolt has a 3.70 Posi diff does that mean both aren't GM 12-bolts?
No one is saying the Allison 10L1000 and the Ford 10R140 are exactly the same. They ARE extremely similar both being scaled up versions of the smaller 10R80. But Ford and GM didn't work together on the HD trans so there are many differences but they both remain variations of the same design.
@@BC08 everything isn't accurate. It isn't a co-developed transmission. Nothing anywhere but THIS podcast says that it is. And your analogy doesn't make any sense. The smaller 10 speed is the transmission that was pseudo jointly developed, or Ford developed and maybe Chevrolet based their heavy duty ten speed off of that. Fords 10-speed is unique from what I have found researching online. This podcast says that they're the same transmission with the exception of a handful of parts. I HIGHLY doubt that is an accurate statement.
@@anymanusa Have you been into both a 10L1000 and a 10R140 or does your expertise on the matter consist of reading GM press statements?
My analogy should make plenty of sense to you if you get what actually makes a GM 12-bolt a GM 12-bolt.
The Allison 10L1000 is based on the 10R80.
It’s a scaled up and modded (by GM/Allison) 10R80.
So is the Ford 10R140, except it was scaled up by Ford alone.
The two HD trans have differences because they were developed independently with no intention of interchangeability but they both came from the same starting point and both are physically the exact same size.
They are EXTREMELY similar transmissions.
Boil down the statement “they are the same except for a handful parts” and it is fundamentally correct depending on your interpretation of a “handful”.
@@BC08 don't get cute or insulting about your analogy. It had/has no place in this discussion and didn't make any sense either. I assure you that I have a very in depth understanding of truck rear ends, but that is not the topic of discussion here.
Now I believe that someone was very flippant with the term "the same minus a handful of parts". Is there any single part for either transmission that is the same that isn't a standard off the shelf item? Is there any co-developed parts? Is there even a single part that can be swapped between these transmissions that isn't an off the shelf part that was available to all prior to these transmissions being manufactured? These are all legitimate questions and if answered they should cut right through the BS that I smell in this podcast.
@@anymanusa The analogy made sense, objectively. Cute nor insults required…
The tail shaft housing is directly interchangeable.
Would you care to point out parts interchangeability between an E4OD and a 4R100?
Does the lack of direct interchangeability change the fact that the 4R100 is direct evolution of the E40OD?
You read some GM press releases and you think you have more of an insight that these guys who have been all through these transmissions in order to build them stronger than stock, you clearly don’t have more insight. I’m just pointing out the obvious for you .
So the transmission will handle 32000 lbs “just fine”… but won’t handle a 60hp tune and maybe some 37’s? At best a larger turbo 😂 thats not a good teans
Mines but out at 60k I abused it pretty impressed it lasted that long tune 5 all day long whether pulling a trailer or not. I bought 3 as spares changed it out in 2.5 hours 😂