WHY Does a $4000 Laptop Exist? - Lenovo Legion 9i
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Well, I haven't seen you asking why a 4000$ Macbook Pro exists.. (And it's even slower than this lenovo)
One of the things that I feel like doesn't get mentioned enough about Lenovo is that you can buy the vast majority of the parts in their laptops from them.
With the serial number of the laptop, their warranty site will give you a list of parts that are installed in the laptop, as well as any other parts they carry that are compatible with it. I'm serious when I mean that you can get almost everything. Motherboards, screens, keyboards, batteries, and so on. I have a legion 5i from 2020 that came with a 60wh battery, and realized that if I swapped out it's secondary hard drive for another m.2, I could also buy a 90wh battery kit. The kit came with the battery as well as all the extra hardware and instructions needed to install it.
As far as big name brands go, I'd have to put Lenovo at the top when it comes to the repairability.
The laptop is worth more than my car, and it probably has more power as well😜
Same here
We just copying comments now huh?
Its worth more then my car too
i dont have a car... 💀💀💀💀
@@JonesTheLadi was about to say lol 😂😂
I have a 1979 El Camino.
I would’ve thought that there’s extra cooling for the CPU considering how heat-dense they are, but the extra cooling to the GPU probably makes a higher impact on performance. At least Lenovo is finally putting more fingerprint sensors in their Legion lineups
2021 and 2022 legion 7 laptops did include a fingerprint sensor. It seems that this year's legion pro 7 is an upgrade to the gen 7 legion 5 pro and legion 9 is the true successor to the previous legion 7 laptops.
TBH, most laptops with Nvidia GPUs don’t seem to have heat issues this gen. Mine stays under 82 degrees under load. The CPU however gets much hotter and I have to adjust the PL settings to manage the maximum wattage to prevent thermal throttling on that component. And with games these days being harder on CPUs than even GPUs and CPUs bottlenecking top GPUs, I think extra cooling on the CPU would have made a bigger difference.
Cpu has higher limits
@@doc7569 If you have a passport or an ID for your country, congrats you've already given out your bio metrics to the world, and the biometrics on this laptop is stored on the onboard chip
I manage computer purchases for our CAD team at work. We have two of the legion 7i laptops that function amazing for 3D modeling using point cloud data. The RTX cards are much cheaper than the Quadro cards. So a $4,000 laptop isn't that big of a deal when you consider that we used to spend 5 or 6k on desktops that did the same thing.
I do CG motion graphics. I use Legion 7 with rtx 3080. The laptop has proven itself to be excellent. I'll be getting the Legion 9i soon.
He acts like there aren’t way more expensive laptop models 😂
I assume that they just completely ignore that stuff cause they think viewers will go to linus tech tips for the expensive stuff anyways
Because people with $4000 (plus tax if applicable) burning their pockets still exist. And some probably can write if off their taxes.
Good answer
Wdym write it off their taxes? Pls explain ty
@@newsciencestuff5540 technology such as computers and laptops are business expenses and this can be written off business taxes. Consult your accountant for more details…I am not one :)
To upgrade or replace the ram must remove the motherboard first nice design work lenovo!
What the hell are u saying? Just remove the backplate
The ram slots is under the motherboard!@@pranavdupati9164
well you have 64Gigs so you dont need an upgrade for a long long time
@@muhammadazeem1346 that's no excuse for anti-user design lol
MSI did this a lot, Dell (or more accurately Alienware designs) also does this. I want to say it might be because of cooling (heat pipes facing down might become a scalding hazard for someone having the laptop on their legs), but still really unfortunate that they couldn’t have offset this with an access hatch w/ a easily removable keyboard
4400 bucks and you have to pull the entire board out to upgrade ram ???? thats unacceptable
There is a demographic that just wants whatever is most expensive. This is for those people..
or people who just wants best of the best in the laptop
Kudos for the disassembly! I really want to see some comparisons when it comes to that liquid cooler. How much cooler does this laptop run vs other laptops with the same hardware? I also want to know more about this AI chip thing. How does that actually work and how does it translate to performance?
Still, for $4k+ you can build a pretty killer gaming desktop that would outperform this, so the mobility I suppose is what you are paying for. It's a beautiful machine to be sure, but jesus, that price tag! Amazing that this is already for sale on Lenovo's website.
You are paying about a 1500 premium over other 4090 laptops for the screen, carbon lid and the "cooler".
Man! This laptop is powerful. And here I thought the legion 7s were the Lenovo laptop on steroids😂.
thanks, I guess@austinevans1-zw2cq
That's cool and all, and the fact that it has "watercooling" sounds good, but what are the actual thermals? It's literally the Achilles' heel of every laptop.
i think there are only previews of this device on yt so far, we'll have to wait for the reviews to see if it can actually maintain 175w!
shhhh just spend your almost 5k on this and then you can find out!!! Its literally 1500 more than other 4090 laptops without any real performance increase. You are just paying for that carbon lid and the screen.
@@zaldronthesage haha yeah. And what is with all the RGB leds? This isn't a 2002 LAN party. Do people still pay for the garish rave party look?
$4000 for a laptop is wrong but is ok for apple to charge $10,000 for a Mac Pro which you can’t even play games on.
Except that the stupid Macbook has everything soldered and even the screen is glued.
If a macbook pro top spec 16inch starts $3500. They have a market for this kind of device.
Except that the stupid Macbook has everything soldered and even the screen is glued.
$4,000 laptops were commonplace until the mid 2000’s…. adjusted for inflation they were several thousand more than that for a fraction of the power
Tbh, the last 4 daily drivers I’ve had are all in the ~$3.5k-5k price range (Dell Precision, Surface Book 2, MBP 16). I’ve never bought a gaming laptop, but the market is definitely there, especially in professional computing.
@@doc7569ive never had an un reliable mac…where do u people get this information from😭and i just sold my mac and miss her so fuckin bad :/
@@doc7569only laptop ive ever had was a maacbook annd. my only complaints is that i cant gamee to save my fucking life. on one,other than that the maac is a ffar superior computer(not the os).
@@doc7569for the price the m1 and m2 are not a bad deal. For use without being plugged it is superior to almost any other laptop in terms of performance
yeah .Lenovo is the best@@doc7569
Except that the stupid Macbook has everything soldered and even the screen is glued.
The SD card slot and USB ports only support slower data speeds than the current standards. Pretty inexcusable for this price
Loving my Legion 7i Pro with RTX 4080 🔥
I'd keep the RGB on, for that extra performance
4500 DOLLARS BUT NO 4K
4k on 16" laptop are useless... 3.2k is best compromise
@@lucamarini7560really though. And it’s not like you can’t hook up to an external mon or TV and rip 4K that way. Easily has enough horse power to do that.
3.2k is much closer to 4k than 1080p is to 1440p.
Ah yes, a laptop that’s worth more than my car, it’s probably more powerful too
Some dude copied your comment
Why would they cool the GPU mosfets/power delivery as opposed to assisting with CPU cooling? Most all 4090 laptops are fine in regard to cooling. You'd think this would be enough to get them over the hurdle with the almost universal terrible Intel CPU cooling issues in laptops.
Maybe for the next version
I wonder if the ram is easier to get to by removing the keyboard instead.
keyboard looks molded
my 1st thought
i wonder why thet didn't make the ram easier to acces.
i mean who would want to upgrade to more than 64gb xD@@PGGMusic
It's retarded, luckily you get 64gigs so you won't have to touch it for quite some time.@@PGGMusic
I am not spending $4k for laptop unless it has a socketed desktop CPU and a standard removable MXM graphics card. That way if any part breaks I have options on what to do with the other parts. Make a desktop system with the CPU, sell off the video card, replace just the motherboard, etc.
Good! The first disassembly video of this machine, very good. Looking forward to seeing how to remove the cooling module of this machine.
wow. if I stopped paying all my bills for 3 months I can get one.
So instead of reversing the fans' spinning direction, thety reverse the whole motherboard to get the intake from above. I'd say I'm not a fan, but the argument seems to never need to replace or upgrade anything, at least by yourself.
0:18 in lenovos manual it says not to hold laptop upside down while on charge. because it can damage the power plug.
"Do not turn the computer upside down when the power adapter is plugged in. Doing so may cause the power plug to
be damaged." - page 22, computer Legion 5 Pro 16ARH7H Laptop (Lenovo) - Type 82RG,
manual named "General safety and compliance guidelines", Sixth edition (May 2022)
Thank you Legion for giving this child a new toy!
just how people buy macbooks, people buy gaming laptops, it's a simple answer.
Why are laptops so small now-a-days? A laptop I got that was from 2014 was perfect erganomically. These small laptops cause so much strain.
This seems like a yo mama joke but self inflicted
yea i prefer my laptop to be at least a little bulky, i hate the thinness. they look like something i could just snap in half on my leg if i wanted too.
Smaller=more portable, laptop are meant to be portable
I’m a MSI laptop fan but legion is killing it 🔥
The graphic cars on laptops is always one to two below their desktop counterparts, like if it says 490 it would be the power of a 480 if it has bad cooling it would be a 470ti.
I think it is absurd that the liquid cooling is activated at 84 degrees. It would be much better if it worked continuously and the speed of the pump changed as the temperature changed. I think it would be much more efficient to keep it below 80 degrees rather than waiting for it to rise to 84 degrees. I also don't think this new cooling system can be called ‘liquid cooling’. This is because that liquid cannot be passed through a radiator. I'm also sceptical about whether the pump does anything. Because the pump rotates the hot liquid in the system, the liquid does not cool down while moving. So it's not like desktop systems. It would be fine without a pump.
The laptop is made so we can watch Austin showing off the shiny.
4k laptop. Mmmm nah. Would I like to own it. Yes. But it's so so much money it's crazy
I know this laptop was built to push the limits as far as compact performance, but I think they could of downsized the battery and made it removable. I’d imagine most gaming laptop players are connected to the charger most of the time they game anyways. And because of that the battery will need to be replaced more frequently. With the freed space they could of spread the upgradable components around better to access them when you’re ready to upgrade.
I guess to add I never minded having a thicker laptop for gaming. It was the weight that I wasn’t thrilled with. But if a PC company would acknowledge that “size doesn’t matter” and give you the access and space to upgrade THEN more people would consider one over like a Steam Deck or a standard rig. This specific one is of of course priced *way* over most of any type of PC, but yeah lol
I wouldn't downsize the battery, but I definitely agree it should be removable. A big reason I still use a thinkpad instead of a legion is for the battery hot swap
@@XecularOfficialso you’re gaming on a Thinkpad?
@@couragethecomputernerd Yes
Removable battery? How will they make money? I'm being sarcastic
Am I the only person who plays games that thinks RGB is useless? Can I get the laptop without the RGB and put the savings into more resources? Also, RGB, to me, is a distraction.
Honestly I would make this my all around go to device, not just gaming. If only I could afford it 😂
4k laptops are kinda normal.
I remember $4k laptops 20 years ago.
You didnt even get 128 gigs of ram for 4.4k?? I thought it would be 256. Just a waste 😂. Ask mech engineers if u are wondering, why we need that much ram😢
This thing is not worth the value. Even with R&D and manufacturing it shouldn't come even close. Maybe during the COVID outbreak chip shortage this price wouldve been more closer to reality.
high end and desktop replacement laptops are often bought by corporate who don't want to pay the workstation price for hardware because buying laptops with quadros or firepros are very very expensive.
Honestly a good chunk of people in the military have gaming laptops since we move around a lot so it isn’t worth lugging around a desktop pc
you can say anything you want, then what about exact thermals, power limits, battery life, noise levels? WHY don't you talk about all this?
Stop putting moatherboards in upsidedown! When you take the bottom off everthing should be accessable. This is an impotant check before bying a laptop if you maintenance (yearly cleanings, thermal paste) them.
Reversed boards are an unnecessary headach.
In some areas this is a steal of a deal!
Aren't those CMOS batteries lithium based now? Seems like a bad idea to put one right next to your SSD... if it has water infiltration, the first thing it will do is cook your data.
they are always placed in that position, every legion laptop
Just an fyi, I heard on another review video that the liquid cooling pump only kicks in when the 4090 reaches 84 degrees celsius.
After the whole Superfish debacle, Lenovo can keep it
Prototype. Make sure you don’t accidentally auction it off 😂
Even the bot in the comment has declared you the winner of the accidental auction haha congratulations
@@daleb19931 🤣
So... To replace the RAM you need to take the whole board out? I really hope they sort that for production, I don't get what's so different about putting it on the other side of the board...
If they are keeping the upward facing ram, then they need to have some kind of removable keyboard panel
That things is cheap compared to Apples laptops. 🤣
That's why I'm a Legion fan, they alway know how to push the engineering boundaries. Look at the Legion Go.
Austin is literally holding my car right now 😂
I'm glad he took it apart because that engineering is impressive
everybody talks about the specifications and the price, but what about the lifespan of such laptop? warranty? 5 years before it dies? 880 dollars per year? just buy a desktop
As someone who makes carbon parts for Motorsport and F1, that chopped tow looks really bad
This is seriously encroaching on Clevo territory. Granted they are tanks, but you can get them with desktop processors so they actually perform a bit better, and you can repair them, or if motherboard dies you can save the processor. Also assuming you actually want to use it, a Clevo has the heatsinks right under the bottom cover so you can repaste fairly easily. Completely different class of machine, actually a usable tool. Also many have dual NVMe and Dual SATA bays. Also desktop TDP graphics, so you know they actually go.
This. clevo/sager is all I ever get anymore, have it built to spec from a boutique shop I go through xotic pc, you can do more with them than you can machines from these proprietary companies, there's no red tape, no bloat either. Ntm they are usually cheaper for the same components. This machine is cool, but I'll pass, you gotta take the whole damn thing apart if you want to do anything with ram. I get who it's for, not me.
I bought a Clevo laptop 7 years ago, had to send it in over 3 times from failed motherboards. Never again.
@@zaldronthesage only issue I ever had was with batteries. After a year or so they die. Have to use it as actual desktop replacement... couldn't turn it on without plugging it in. Full battery replacement.
@@Siegefya They just cheap out with subpar components and their laptops just look too dated.
Why don't you go MSI instead same specs for half the price and gamers don't need their laptop bulletproof and drop proof leave that spec to military and construction site laptops
So when you put it back together, did it boot?
ohhh noooo... this laptop have the cpu and gpu facing the keyboard. My one-week-old dead Predator Triton 17x is also mounted this way and the keyboard get super hot... you can literally feel your fingertips burning even with the max fan. I was planning to return the Predator Triton 17x and get the Legion 9i.... now I need some in-depth reviews to find out how hot the keyboard gets.
Just get a 60% keyboard
@@Nabbit7 yeah just more stuff to carry. I already own 2x 4090 gaming desktops. i need one that I can take with me on vacation. don't want to carry another keyboard since already carrying a mouse
@@rotarydude07 if you already have the best gaming setup, maybe get something a bit more economical? I'm looking at the Origin 17-x which has a 4k screen option, same hardware.
@rowankeltizar5961 again I am looking for portability. Since I have 4090s gaming desktops. The EON17-X is 7.26lbs. The Acer Predator 17X is 6.61lbs and I thought it was heavy. The ASUS Strix Scar 16 (I owned for 2wks) is 5.7lbs which I thought it would be the max I would consider portable. This Legion 9i is about that weight.
I think it's a really cool well rounded product
I wonder what QC is going to be like on all the new legion laptops. The only thing stopping me from getting a laptop is all the stuff I've seen online of laptops dying pretty quick. I've never built a desktop that has ever failed.
I wouldn't take it down to the Titanic.
Didnt know logic had a tech yt channel
this laptop basically saves space by being THE ENTIRE setup
i have slight dizziness when watching this. the part at disassembly. please dont move the camera too much.
Great video and I really like your style - thank you! P.S. I have just ordered a Legion 9i . . . . 😎👍😎
Have you ever specked out a high end MacBook Pro? $4000 isn’t that crazy there.
Except that the stupid Macbook has everything soldered and even the screen is glued.
So it needs to produce gold right
Liquid cooling is just a gimmick, They might have added a slightly larger amount of liquid inside those heat pipes.
Laptop doesn't get the NITS it says it does, its not that bright, which is a deal breaker for me, also watching videos on RUclips the screen constantly glitches... oh yeah... one more thing... think your going to upgrade the RAM, think again, the motherboard is inverted and you pretty much have to disassemble the entire laptop, ridiculous for a laptop i just paid over 5K for, sending back today.
Because Eurorra exists, that's why.
Aren't regular heat pipes and vapor chambers technically "water cooling" anyways? How much liquid are we talking about inside that additional copper pipe?
The guy in the duck shirt and the flashy colorful lights behind him claimed the laptop had excessive RGB.... interesting.
Austin - this laptop has an absurd amount of RGB
Me - it needs triple what is has and I'll be satisfied
Why? Because to some people $4000 is like $1000, or even less. I honestly think this is the case
@austinevans1-zw2cq :Um, no. Get bent, buddy!
I mean, where I'm from people have 60k or 80k trucks sitting outside their mobile trailer homes. It's all about priorities. A part of me wants to buy this laptop because I like fancy things...owning a piece of history is kind of appealing I guess. I can always put it on a payment plan. $300 a month isn't that much in the scheme of things. Some people pay over $100 for their phone bill! I'm paying $15 a month. That said, I definitely wouldn't buy it at full price, maybe in a year we will get it on sale. Even then though, I still care about performance/value so probably I would get their normal 7i or Origin 17-x for the value that has a 4k screen and the same hardware.
Nice video austin
You can buy 6 144ht laptops that run very well for that price!
Repasting this by yourself will be a nightmare 😮
What used laptop should I get for a budget of 800$.for interior design.
you can get a legion 5 with a Ryzen7 5800H + Radeon iGPU + 3050ti w/ 4GB
the gpu is overclockable (you can just leave it at max power if you use it as a desktop replacement, the temps are fine)
I got one in store like a year ago or so, pulled the ssd and ram and replaced the ram w/ 64GB DDR4 and x2 1TB WD Black nvme drives
the laptop has a real MUX, so you can do optimus stuff as well as vfio, pcie-passthrough, etc
you should be able to pick up one cheap, maybe even the newer version (get AMD, its far superior in laptops ive done the testing; more faster cores for less power and less money)
put in like 32GB ram and youll prob be OK (zfs likes using ram as an arc and i use vms alot, so i want all the rams...)
replace the ssd w/ 2 matching ones (I use linux as a hypervisor w/ encrypted zfs and zstd inline compression) I get around 12-14GB/s read speeds and 10-12GB/s write speeds
{I also did a ceramic conformal coating surrounding both dies, and replaced the thermal paste with derbauer's liquid metal--- DONT DO THIS UNLESS YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW, WHICH METALS ARE CHEMICALLY APPROPRIATE, AND HOW TO CLEAN IT SAFELY}
vfio/pcie-passthrough
x86/64 arm32/64 riscv32/64 full virtualization
blender for 3d modeling, rigging, etc for 3d characters
machine learning for facial recognition and full body/hand motion tracking
obs/kdenlive/audacity for creating esoteric fully detailed HD instructional walkthroughs
steam/proton runs everything (and most stuff at 4k-ish; i havent bought any new games in a while)
I dont really know exactly which software you need for interior design, but i cant imagine it will be anywhere near as taxing as doing multiple of the above listed at the same time,
so i think you should be just fine....
I wouldnt get a brand new model, I would try to get a new in box, but older model then just do the disk and ram upgrades, they will help far more than RGB lights or the very latest processor ( getting the data into the processor is where most consumer machines bottleneck much of the time, if the data gets into ram faster and all of it is already in ram the cpu will just go full tilt until its finished)
My MSI GE66 (12700H) cries vs. this behemoths. When I got early last year there were no HX CPUs (from Intel or AMD). MSI actually launched the GE67 HX with an Intel HX CPU and a slightly updated chassis before still in 2022. But this year HX CPUs became much more common.
I have mixed feelings about HX CPUs, since they are clearly just power limited Desktop CPUs, but they seem to perform really well.😮
that carbon coating needs to come to the Legion 7i Gen 9 in 2024 but yeah i don’t like the extra rgb on this design
But, a macbook is €4000 max spec where I'm from, which is more in dollars
you get trash macbook for that price lol
Except that the stupid Macbook has everything soldered and even the screen is glued.
This laptop costs more than my car...
LOL AND APPLE GETS CRAP FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO UPGRADE...... meanwhile disassembling your entire laptop is considered upgradeable
This laptop give me anxiety, i mean trying to open it up give me anxiety
@austin Have you noticed that gaming laptop's GPU max TDP dropped from 200w to 175w despite better laptop cooling?
3, now almost 4 years ago nvidia had crammed a better than 2080ti GPU, the quadro rtx 6000 into a 15' 3kg asus studioproart laptop. It had a 200w TDP, 24gb of vram and was 754mm sq. The rtx 4090 desktop is just 609mm sq. When undervolted it uses around 250 to 300w, so a laptop version with the same specs as desktop 4090 with 230w can certainly be within 10-15% of the undervolted desktop 4090. Afterall, the 150w 3070ti is within 15-17% of a desktop 3070ti despite the 3070ti having 2x the tdp, more cores and faster vram.
So no, this $4000 laptop is a waste of money. Nvidia is artificially jacking up the prices.
6 to 7 years ago $4000 laptops packed SLI gtx 1080's and 1070's which beat even a 1080ti desktop
Reaaly? So this gpu is not the same as a 4099 gpu?
@@TotalWarriorLegends Nope. Its a gimped 4080.
Thats why high end laptops this time are a even bigger scam. With pascal and turing, you got actual high end desktop gpu's
Tell us more, I find it interesting, we lack the information on older laptop GPUs, so we are groomed to accept the higher prices, as we lack the older basis to base our decisions upon.
@@trypwyre9024 Hidden? Its freely available. But techtubers and techenthusaists seem to forget everything when it comes to laptops.
Did you know when you had pascal and turing, laptops had full access to their tdp's. Meaning a 150w card would run at 150w when pushed. Unlike with rtx 3000 and 4000 where a 100w card might run below 100w due to cpu using some power due to dynamic boost. So we are lied to once again.
Did you know you could undervolt intel's 4th to 9th gen cpu's and make 'em run 5 to 10 degrees cooler with more perf? Now? Intel uses some BS security excuse to only let the hx and hk cpu's undervolt and those cpu's cost more.
Ryzen 9 on laptops has been a giant scam. Ryzen 5000 mixes zen 2 and zen 3 under the same name. Ryzen 7000 on laptops mixes zen 1, 2, 3 and 4 under the same ryzen 7000 naming.
Amd's radeon rx6800m/6850mxt are a scam since the have nothing to do with rx6800 series. Amd's rx7700s is a giant scam as well.
What else do you want know. Want to know more?
I have a predator laptop that's also $4K
That thing costs more than 2 of my house payments
Given the promised performance of new gen ARM chips, buying this now at full price seems like a poor choice, given in a few months we could potentially have better performance with massive battery life improvements.
Apple is laughing with their 5k laptops rn
Except that the stupid Macbook has everything soldered and even the screen is glued.
I hate to say it, but they ruined this laptop's keyboard. There isn't enough room for your wrists for typing.
There was zero R&D from Lenovo for forged carbon. That was done over a decade ago by Lamborghini and Callaway Golf.
Yeup I even have it in my 2023 durango. They did not invent it nor is it as crazy a process as austin was saying its not rocket science. But it does look very nice and different from the rest of the gaming laptop space ill give em that. I will say my 2022 legion 7i was one of the best gaming laptops I've ever used. It wasn't loud and it never got really hot at all on cpu or gpu. I've had 4 previous gaming laptops to include alienware, razer and msi and the legion was the best.
These are made from the scraps of fibers. 😂😂😂
That was an intense teardown.
using gaming laptops for engineering or for people with traveling jobs