Pumpkin Spice - White Woman Season
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2022
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The employee is one of the only normal people this man will ever draw
He's the Mc Donalds worker from another meat canyon video I can see why he quit. Now he works at Starbucks and I don't think he's gonna stay employed for long.
I like to believe that since we only see him from the waist up, his legs are just a writhing mass of tentacles. But he's still accepted and treated well by his co-workers regardless, and is part of their bowling league.
@@Child_Dog PvZ almanac entries be like
Which actually makes it all the weirder that he and the other woman driver didn't end up getting killed.
Yea g that’s what you want me lol I think you guys need a new car lol
As a former barista.......you just captured a normal day during pumpkin spice season
O cmon, it can be that bad... Just wait to see No Nut November! ;)
@@vasiovasio OH DEAR GOD😅
so would us guys turn into c*m monsters then?
Also former barista, left RIGHT as pumpkin spice season started. We did get the pumpkin flavor before anyone else which was cool
@@vasiovasio no nutmeg november?
@@vasiovasio wouldn't that mean they you chop off our nuts with an axe until December
the fact that she just casually had a huge knife in her car
This implies that this happens every year, but she just goes to a different Starbucks each time
that fact that people don't write complete sentences anymore
@@nully304 whast
@@nully304 what does that have to do with anything
She was ready to start stabbing people up if she didn't get her pumpkin spice
0:19 the way she says "mhmm" cracks me up. Whoever did the voice acting nailed the white girl mannerisms
I just remembered this gem while making fun of generic white girls on a group chat. I go to school with girls just like this, and the similarity is uncanny.
It was probably Papa Meat himself.
@@ElianaReader-xz2ic "fun of generic white girls" Why?
Your Trans wife
Fun fact, Hunter does all the voices himself.
The fact that she already had a knife in the car when her face turned into a pumpkin shows that this isn't the first time something like this has happened to her in a Starbucks.
Here. Have a human reply.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
@@Skelterbane69 ı agree. Way too many bots here.
@@berkhero3006 @BoozerBane ARE WE THE ONLY REAL PEOPLE HERE?!?!?
@@laggameing9697 PEOPLE AREN'T REAL. SPAMBOTS ARE FOREVER.
8 comments? Gotta change that
Let's just be grateful the delivery boy made it out alive
De….delivery boy?
Hi zmde!!
why are people saying delivery boy
i dont think he was the one in danger
H I I I I I I I zmde
THE SOUND SHE MAKES WHEN SHE DRINKS THAT😭😭😭
634 LIKES GEEZ TGANKS
Giving her cup the guck guck
the good ol GUGUGUFJJDJSJEJDJGUGUJDJDUHHGUUGUGJGJJDNSMOOOOOOOGU
Going into glizzy overdrive
Smth going wild in the car
Might have to put pumpkin spice on my thang.....😏
Those women were not even drinking the stuff. They were just inhaling it.
I have to say I love how instead of being freaked out the employee was just worried for the woman
They milk the spice girls in the back for more spice. That's why hes not traumatized but Instead talking to her about her choices. Like a cigarette addiction
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Isnt the employee in this animation the same as the McDonalds one?
It happens every year.
@@THE_SOSC I guess it's a good thing she killed herself at the end then
Anyone else *impressed* at how fast the employee delivered those drinks!
@[卐]Lakehuntist ⸜⁄ tf is Ur name
“BRING ME PUMPKIN”
jeez leave some bots for the rest of us
How the fuck do you get bombarded by this many bots in under an hour
@@isuckatgaming3527 exactly
This has become a regular event to watch this every fall
"PŪMPKÏN SPÏÇE LÆÅTTË" 1:39
In Tom Kenny's voice no less!
Or it's 1:38
legit sounds like spongebob
That delivery boy was too pure for this nightmare ❤️
Ngl the guy didn't even want the woman to become a pumpkin nightmare.
I dont know after the first one died he was answering the second one just fine
@@mkal7852 cause he is a good boy that knows his duties at work, whatever is the emergency
Delivery boy? You mean cashier?
At least he did not die
As a former Starbucks employee, this is exactly what happens when fall rolls around.
Thank you for your service. 🙌
Haha what a funny and original comment wait no it isnt shut the hell up
My dude you have my deepest sympathies...
Yep. Kind of glad I’m no working there rn. Safe from the hordes for now
Okay, but if pumpkin spice is actually an addictive drug then why does it only affect white women? It's a phenomenon that still intrigues me to this very day.
The accuracy in this parody is both amusing and unsettling.
Can't believe this masterpiece came almost a year ago. It's almost Pumpkaren season again, be careful out there. That goes double for you coffee shop employees!
"PUMPKAREN SEASON"😂😂😂😂😂😂
At first, I thought the pay it forward aspect was going to reveal an endless loop of her buying her own next drink.
Thats really clever since she just gets back in line immediately after
That’s what I thought
😂 Brilliant!!
Lol imagine.. Dude i woulda said we're out tbh
Same
I love how he captures the essence of October in this cartoon. It's so Octobery.
Link to the clip : when i met meatcanyon
*ruclips.net/video/mCfYi7634rU/видео.html*
Yep
The sound of crows in the beginning
More like octo-berry, gourds are berries after all...
Pumpkin spice... Oh God, pumpkin spice... I just can't get enough of ... pumpkin spice...
I was watching the vod with you driving around town as this lady trying different pumpkin spice drinks and it was taken down before I could finish watching it. It was so good up to the point it was dropped. 😭
It did give me a notice in youtube that I'd never seen before too. Said "This is a graphic video, you sure you want to watch this?" or something like that. I was like Hell Yea I wanna see that!!!!!! 🤣
1:59 WHAT IZ THIS!! 😂😂
That "I don't know if I can give this too you..." Sounded so sincere and heartfelt, great delivery
@whaaa t ok
@The Owl be gone bot
Papa Meat reads like no one else. And he animates it and thinks it!!!! What a weird godlike thing to do
Every fibre in my body thought he was going to get dragged out the window and eaten or something equally disturbing
@@paulgallagher5889 its not weird its just his style of doing so cant blame him
The aggressive way she was carving out her face was horrifying to say the least. Bravo Meat, you've done it again.
Link to the clip : when i met meatcanyon
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Ok
If you can't say "that was horrifying" about a part of the video, someone else probably made it.
"Bravo Meat"
Yeah, Meat Canyon outdid himself!
Are we going to ignore the fact that the lady is keeping a knife in her car?
Edit: Timestamp: 2:21
What I really love is that the barista is trying to save the white women for being a pumpkin monster makes the whole video, like adding a bit of heroic on it.
Turning into a pumpkin gives you free Pumpki Spice late
I loved it when she said "It's Pumpkin'in time" and pumpkined all over the place
Hi sr pelo! Big fan
Sr Pelo!! when is the next spooky month upload?
real?
Sup, Pelo!
The fact he turned pumpkin spice into genuine horror is why I can never get enough of his videos.
🔹I have a mom and you don't 👈👈😎🔹
YO
Right on time for Halloween
@МеаtСаnуоn 🅥 fr tho. Pumpkin spice is fire.
These bots man
pumpkin spice , Taylor swift, "traveling" as a hobby, pintrest, brunch, and La Croix = that pretty much sums up white women
that la croix from vampire masquerade bloodlines?
@@inksoldier5544no, the drink
As someone who works at a gas station that does seasonal pumpkin spice items, I can confirm this to be true. Also considering the pumpkin horror theme this is a great spoopy month video lol. 10/10, this is peak meatcanyon
The thought of someone carving into their own pumpkin head to unleash their mouth and eyes is actually horrifying. Fantastic.
BEAUTIFUL
Great touch lol
The scariest part of the whole video honestly. Nightmare fuel
Is actually horrifying? Was it meant to be wholesome? Ha ha
racism disguised as comedy is the best, i hope the next one is about watermelons.
Gotta give her a tiny bit of credit, she actually waited in line the first couple of times lmao
Pumpkins are row entities.
@@kingmankingboy8743 clicked, smiled, rapidly ran to the kitchen.
Yes
Pumpkin lol
@@eewilson9835 yes bruh
This video seriously never gets old. I always enjoy watching this video around this time of the year.
I need to point out how similar this drink tastes to Jamaican spiced bun and some Jamaican spiced drinks. Tastes like allspice rather then pumpkin but still delicious.
I like how she can’t see the cup but she still knows how to drive around the drive through on instinct
Well, she's had multiple rides to the Starbucks, sooo, that clearly explains it in short terms.
That's habbit...she knew by feel.
@@joshdekalb4564 you spelled hobbit wrong
The powers of the white woman
With that being said, I think she wanted to die at the end. She steps on the gas into oncoming traffic even tho she knew the turns around the drive thru. She wanted to end the cycle. Just a theory.
Only Papa Meat can turn something as simple as getting a Pumpkin Spice Latte into a horror story.
I was under the impression that latte's& Starbucks in any way is a horror genre what stands alone. Pumpkin spiced karen sounds like a horror movie you can't unsee!That's why the nearest Starbucks is 50 miles away from my domicile
have you worked a drive thru it is a horror story
Pumpkin spice latter's have been a nightmare since the day they were created
Simple? This is a classic example of the devolution of our society. Pumpkin spice is the reason Rome fell
@u know me Bruh, all you tube-bots are annoying, we're not going to your page.
It’s white woman season again…
What’s wrong about white women
This is going to be a classic to come back and watch every Autumn 😂🍁🍂🌻🌙
As someone who works at a coffee shop that serves real pumpkin spice, I can confirm that this is 100% accurate
🔹I have a mom and you don't 👈👈😎🔹
Jesus christ these bots man
@@CowboyCatRO
They’re the fucking worst.
My place has it all year round man...
@@CowboyCatRO I was about to write a comment joking about the coffee shop thing but holy fuck RUclips needs to fucking do something this has gotten stupidly out of hand
That was disturbingly accurate. The only thing missing is Taylor Swift music blasting from the car radio.
And an iPhone (12, 13, 14, or 15) Pro Max with a clear case.
@@TielMama777most karens like billie eilish too
@@sardonicprincess what? They definitely don't. Billie Eilish is what depressed emo teens listened to.
Unfortunately...copyright
@@sarahrogers7630every time somebody calls Billie’s music “emo” I loose the will to live
I love how somewhat chill his face is after witnessing A mutant pumpkin human cause a giant explosion
"BRING ME PUMPKIN!" is the most Skeletor line I've ever heard.
i love how that person infront of her had the deepest voice then just started screaming in such a high voice
that part reminded me of oblivion lol
IT'S FINALLY HERE: (insert scam link here)
@@AverageAmerican_loser
I work at Starbucks, I thank you MeatCanyon for capturing my trauma working there. Truly a moving experience.
For the love of god I hope you’re one of the unionized stores
I stand with you Brother as a Barista.
We need more details, share your trauma with us
i didnt ask
Steven? S-T-E-V-E-N?
*proceeds to write david*
i always imagined it wasn't the pumpkin that made her go back for more. yes it transformed her, but i always believed it was the caffeine that made her go nuts. it's kind of like trying to go cold turkey on something you feel you can't live without, making you angry, unintelligible, and eventually when she kept returning, her addiction for caffeine ate her up
Not gonna lie, this would make a better M. Night Shamylan movie than he's done in years...
What would the twist be?
@@rjsmith2007
It's a world of mostly Pumpkins, not humans.
The fact that the woman had the patience to go back in the drive thru even though nobody else was there is impressive
dumb but i guess thats what you'll do for the one you love
That wasn't patience, she simply victim to her own addiction after trying to escape multiple times. Thus she kept coming back.
I would expected her to just run in and get all the pumpkin spice lattes
I make gr8 music 🎶🔥
It's about the drive up ritual 😆
As someone who gave 4 years to Devilbucks, I can confirm this is accurate. When pumpkin spice comes out white men and women from all corners of America will guzzle down multiple pumpkin spice lattes a day. They've been good boys and girls all year, drinking their non-fat lattes with sugar-free vanilla, and not a drop of whip. They deserve this. They've earned this.
😆 Bro 😆
Unless you're someone that doesn't like pumpkin.
Is it weird that I read this in MeatCanyon's "You can count to three" video voice?
you meant women. if you go to starbucks your no longer a man. you lose your man card and they cut your balls
I have never tasted it. I'm a frappe guy, it feels like I'm wasting my money if I don't get my whipped cream on top 😂✋
This shit happens every October
lol fr
219 days left
The pumpkin spicess are to addicting😂
Meatcanyon always impresses me with his voice acting. This dude is on another level
I’m the only real one here
@@Icetastesgood what about me?
@@Icetastesgood what about me ?
@@Icetastesgood what about me?
Honestly the idea of an endlessly returning customer at a never ending drive-through is a pretty creepy concept
They'd have to run out of money eventually right?
@@chucktaylor2172 it couldn't be a never-ending returning customer then, they have to have infinite money to return and Order infinitely or the cycle would break. Or each variation of the single customer would always have just enough money on them.
@@_wanted_outlaw3007 touche. Well played sir
Lol FOR REAL.... It's so simple but the concept has never even occurred the me.
I mean it's "allowed" but it's not what usually (if ever) happens.
Or just order them all at once?
3:09 it's the great pumpkin
At college right now when I see white soccer/volleyball girls in the library I can confirm they worship these drinks like they’re gods.
What's really funny is that she makes the deliberate effort to go around each time instead of just staying at the window.
shes a pumpkin monster not an asshole lol
😂😂😂😂 I don’t know how to feel about this one but I am so happy for
Well yeah typically someone doesn't sit at the drive thru window finishing their drinks to order more there at the window.
She has to place the order
@@Sl33PY3Y3Z97 Do they typically transform into a ravenous pumpkin?
Surprisingly one of the less disturbing videos by meatcanyon 💀 love it
The only scary part is that sucking she did 💀
Imagine someone being new to this channel and seeing this comment 💀
@@Faux_Sunlight well well well, that person you’ve met.
yes!
@@tvgaming2132 that's not scary at all 😂. It's interesting lol
This is probably my favorite of his
0:53 🤣🤣
Bro, I love this guy. He deserves his own show on AdultSwim
No, that would be a horrible idea. Adult Swim would regulate him instead of letting him do his own thing.
at the very least some short spots in between the shows!
@@eddiew.4650 my guy you haven’t watched Smiling Friends then.
Right I think he made a ad for adult swim
This guy actually gets paid sir
A masterpiece of modern animated storytelling. 11/10, would recommend.
is it about like drugs or addiction
The spice must flow..
Almost a year later and have to rewatch it as a tradition for halloween.
Guys its that time again-
They are making a second video on this it’s official!
It's a poompkin month
As someone who has worked with Starbucks, this is dead accurate.
😂
We don't care
@@art23428 didn't ask
@@antern5561 could have fooled me
i was waiting for a comment from someone who works at starbucks😂
The pumpkin seeds under her eyes at the end look like tears. It's like she finally realized what was happening but the power of the pumpkin spice was too great to overcome.
@M.C 🅥 you so clever being a bot and going after bots that's smart man
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As a guy who loves pumpkin spice I gotta admit, turning into a gross pumpkin monster is the best part of the whole experience.
I've watched this a dozen times and it's just as wonderful everytime
The voice acting and sound design in this is freaking amazing (PS: Never had that many likes in my life, thanks!)
Women☕️
I wrote the music for this, if you want to hear it by itself on my channel :)
1 k likes let's go!!!
Jesus christ these bots got you.
It always is.
honestly as a white female this is exactly what happens during pumpkin spice latte season
Same, but I prefer hot chocolate.
I fear your people
@@ilovenanami4569 you should
so, even white women doesn't knows how to drive
can we get any confirmation on that?
WHY DOES SHE HAVE THE BIGGEST SHARPEST KNIFE JUST SITTING IN HER CAR???
WHY DONT U???
Thank you for this masterpiece, this is my favourite of your videos
the pumpkin monster is actually kind of a sick looking design
it reminds me of pumpkin night(manga)
@@rei8949 I WAS ABOHT TO SAY THAT
Makes me think of the anime made about Nik and Orlin
I love how the lady still takes the time to drive the car around to get the drink
It is a tedious, but necessary step in the ritual.
Bro my 3 year old brother watched this video WITHOUT PARENTAL SUPERVISION!!! AND GUESS WHAT? HE CRIED SO DAMN HARD THE ALIENS CAN HEAR HIM FROM HERE.
Parental controls exist. Learn how to use it. Also, 3 year old child should NOT have access to electronic devices in the first place.
@@muhammadnursyahmi9440this guy is joking
I've watched this video an unhealthy number of times (15 times now)
The art style is terrifying, yet beautiful at the same time.
reminds me of Super Jail
You mean warm colors
Why the fuck is there so much spam in these replys?
@@frienderoo Pretty sure youtube literally lets them exist to drive hate-clicks, and push more ads.
Here is the full clip explaining why dad left you: (Making fun of bots)
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Coming back to this every fall as a tradition from now on 😂 can't believe it's already been a year since this was uploaded. I love meatcanyon's art style lmao.
I was thinking why isn't she wearing Uggs? Then it showed she was wearing Birkenstocks. That checks out.
okay but the scene at 2:29 would make such a sick costume helmet
I imagine the single eyehole would look good with it and also, you know, let you see too
True, you could even call it a cosplay while wearing nothing else but a micro bikini. Nobody has ever done something like that before.....
@@XAn0nymousX0 I see what you did there hahaha
Reminds me of the resident evil lickers
After he cuts the eye out its actually very reminiscent of a character in the manga pumpkin night
As a white woman I do this every single day of Fall.
As a person who has a sister who loves pumpkin spice I can confirm she turns into a pumpkin after drink pumpkin spice latte
You truly captured the experience
Clip TO the Link: ruclips.net/video/oczaEB5Z9Hc/видео.html
Lmao
I think there's 2 bots
@@FredotheNPC69 Why would you think that :D ?
@@ilovehelldivers5317 i dunno why but its kind of suspicious
The crazy pumpkin spice season is once again upon us.
As a Starbucks Barista, this is how everyone who has the pumpkin spice latte turns out.
Please help me.
As a trainer I tell new hires to beware of pumpkin season.
Quality barista, give this man a raise
*FUNNY FOOTAGE OF MEAT CANYON BLOWING UP AN ORPHANAGE:*
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ok
$10.00/hr-$10.25/hr, score!
@@AverageAmerican_ thats not even something that will make ppl angry since its meat canyon lol
@M.C 🅥 but you are the bot
If Starbucks sold pumpkin spice all year round, they’d make infinite money
hey you know any thing about the bots?
@@thatoneguy86493 I do, just report em, they just want your information or something like that
@@EyeOfVOIDNESS scams?
@@thatoneguy86493 yeah usually when commenting on a big youtubers video or a youtuber with a high amount of subscribers, a bot like that replies, it's not worth it
@@EyeOfVOIDNESS yeah just like the bots with sus links
“PUMPKIN SPICE LATTAE”👹
As a Barista before. This is so fckn accurate lol.
as someone who works as a starbucks barista, i can confirm this is very canon.
As a person who loves pumpkin spice I can confirm this is very canon
Can I get a cold expresso?
@@pteeradukteel no.
@@pteeradukteelFun fact, it's pronounced ess-press-oh, not ex-press-oh. There's no x in espresso. 🤝
Good comment Kodak.....I canon confirm if this is true however
as a new zealander we don’t really do the whole pumpkin spice thing. but i tried one the other day and i felt so embarrassed ordering one. it was humiliating. and then i drank it and actually liked it. i can feel my pumpkin leaves growing. i’m being consumed by pumpkin spice.
Esta sesion de trap igual esta piola
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Chur chur
We lost Kaylee to the Pumpkin Spice….
I am an aussie, and same here which sucks. We miss out on so much because so many of our boomers go all sour grapes when they hear of something popular in America that's not really here. Had a pumpkin spice frosted biscuits when visiting california about a decade ago and they were bloody delish. Also have a slice of pumpkin pie over a pavlova or fruitmince any day of the week.
Not that my opinion matters, but who the fuck cares.
Enjoy what you like!
There is nothing wrong with being a bit of a basic bitch. Popular shit is usually popular for a reason, candles smell nice, Marvel movies are fun and top 40 music usually bops.
Don’t be ashamed to like something because it’s popular or whatever…
Don’t let other people dictate your happiness or enjoyment!
Or find yourself a partner like me who will buy all the stuff you’re too embarrassed to buy for yourself… lol I don’t mind ordering ridiculous fruity drinks with decorations for my tomboy badass girl who thinks it makes her look silly. Those pink drinks are so good and get you fucked up fast! Kinda messed up how they market the most dangerous drinks to women… anyway… just enjoy life!
If you like pumpkin spice, enjoy it while you can!
If you’re afraid of looking basic, I’ll order it for you and grab a cake pop for myself because those things are so good… the red velvet heart ones are the best!
Go be basic.. we get one life. Enjoy it! :)
this is truly a pumpkin spice latte moment
I love this guys videos lol i just passed the starbucks by my work and the line is wrapped around the entire strip plaza.
that concerned delivery of "please pull forward" killed me
Yeah the hesitation 😂
The “bring me pumpkin” line had me both crying of laughter and terrified at the same time.
Edit: wow 830 likes! Thanks y’all
I cracked up the most on her third time around she just screams *PUMPKIN SPICE LATTE* !!!! 😂😂😂
"Only pumpkin can sustain me"
Same 😅
*FUNNY FOOTAGE OF MEAT CANYON BLOWING UP AN ORPHANAGE:*
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Literal favorite part, the Pumpkin Goblin 🎃
Don’t get me wrong, this video is creepy as hell, but the scene where her head is completely a pumpkin made me laugh so hard! 😂😂😂😂
Its that time again, boys
As a Starbucks employee, I can say this is completely and totally accurate.
As an ex-starbucks employee- I can say I've seen this happen thousands of times; it's odd the first 2 times, but once you get to the 45,666th pumpkaren: it's just like every other day.
BRING ME PUMPKIN!!
God that zoom into her eye at 2:59 is so horrifyingly brilliant. She literally can’t stop herself consuming the pumpkin spice and is silently crying for help. Bravo meatcanyon.
I think that she is aware and desperately wants to drink it
Reminds me of the ending of “The Fly” with Jeff Goldblum. I have a huge feeling this is where he got the inspiration from
And how the eye in that scene never leaves the drive thru guy. Horribly desperate and trying so hard to communicate. Incredibly depressing lol
i like MC as much as the next guy but i dont know its all that deep, friend. *gluckgluckgluck*
@@zoobrik literally 😭😭
As someone who's worked at a Starbucks i can attest, this is in fact what its like working their during the fall 🍁 🎃
I tried it yesterday for the first time after watching this and now I’m completely addicted. 😂
I had the pumpkin spice Frappuccino.
I AM HER NOW. 🎃
As someone who works at Starbucks I relate to this poor guy, that knife scene was awesome too, great job meat master papa
Link to the clip : when i met meatcanyon
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Fr
My condolences for having to work at Starbucks 😥
@@nothingsurprisesmeanymore what's wrong with working at Starbucks tell me the experience.
How many times a day does this happen to you?
MeatCanyon needs to be a voice actor sometime
Edit: Don't read reply section no one gets the fuckin joke
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Sthu bots ong
He kinda is though. Dumb comment
Ratio + k-pop better 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@louie2747-We do not care.
I didn't know my mom was in a meatcayon video
I've watched this more than 20 times.