Nick Taylor Plays Left-Handed to Get Free Relief - Golf Rules Explained
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Are you permitted to take relief from a Temporary Immovable Obstruction that is situated out of bounds?
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Yes. If a Temporary Immovable Obstruction is out of bounds and both your line of play and line of sight have interference for a reasonable stroke, you will be entitled to free relief.
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Honestly some of the stuff they get away with on the PGA tour, if you tried this at your local club they’d call you a cheat.
are you drunk
It’s not cheating, he’s just taking advantage of the rules
@@sethsmith6042 lol... where did he say he was cheating?
Hate the game not the player.
I agree!... you hit a bad shot up against a fence, righthanded, suck it up and play it as it lies...or declare unplayable and take a stroke penalty!
Lets be honest, if this was Patrick Reed declaring that he would take that shot wrong handed if the tio wasn’t there, golf channel would be talking about it for 2 weeks
Exactly what I said
Exactly.
The only reason they would do that is because Patrick Reed is a piece of shit that nobody likes.
@@brianmcg321 well everyone has opinions I’m sure there are people that don’t care for you.
@@jdub1450 do you like Patrick Reed?
Someone owes us a left handed shot from that spot during next years practice round.
Honestly Nick Taylor absolutely wasn't wrong to use the rules to his advantage. What was wrong was the local rules and course setup themselves. OB stakes should've been at least one club length clear from the fence. So that anywhere past that line, like where Taylor's ball ended up, would have been OB and he would have been playing his 3rd shot from where he actually played his 2nd
In this case the low left-handed punch along the TIO net was his only play, because of how close the ball was to the fence
That's an insane set of circumstances. It was lovely to have it pointed out and resolved.
Thanks for putting this up!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Not blaming the player for using the rules to his advantage. But the rule should be changed so that if you nominate a left hand shot as you reason for relief, then your subsequent shot has to be played left handed.
Agreed
Very well said.
I dunno. It seems like the player should be able to play any shot he wants anytime regardless what came beforehand.
I agree!!!
@@blujay2084 you can. What he said is if you take relief because hitting it left handed the obstruction is in your way, you should have to hit that shot that gained you the relief left handed. But it’s not a rule and the player took full advantage of it.
If I was the rules official, I would have organised for the net to be pulled down and then said, there you go play it left handed.
You can't because it's an immovable obstruction.
@@davidgraham8058 he got relief as it was a temporary immovable obstruction (TIO), so I think he should have had to play left-handed
@@1practicaljoker they need to change the rule because it is silly.
I wish the rules made him play the relieved shot left-handed. If you're getting relief because you "would" play the shot left handed, then once you get relief, you should have to play it the same way.
@@gritnix so true
Is that airplane hovering in one spot? 😖
You may not have heard of one before but I believe it’s called a helicopter...
@@duzz-585 definately not a helicopter
It’s a blimp getting an overhead shot
what time of video was this
Must be a hydra jet on gta
The rules can be your friend.
Make him take the left-handed chip; if he manages to hit the TIO, give him his drop.
Great improvisation
I would like to have seen a left handed golfer with a left handed club play forward from where it was, with the fence & tree in front of the ball. I do wonder if a very good right handed player with an upturned right handed club could have reasonably played the shot forward rather than just chip out sideways!!
Lot's of technicalities here but if you boil it down to the simple fact that if this was a left-handed player, he'd have got free relief no questions asked, but because he's right handed he's being disadvantaged. It should apply equally, on either side (should he case arise). Well played by nick, used this to get what he unfairly wasn't automatically entitled to because he's right-handed.
It's funny that even in the end the old dude didn't know his whole "I'll play it left handed" was only ever to get relief !! Lolol
I carry a left handed pitching wedge in my bag of 14 as a righty player just for instances like this
The only left-handed club in my bag is my putter but I swear I was going to pitch it from there with my putter.
Left handed 4 iron because I usually end up chopping at it if the lie is that bad anyway.
Play it as it lay or take a penalty and drop in a long club
If that netting could have been lowered for the tournament (assuming it’s possible), that would make the black fence the OB line-but it’s low enough to step over; could he have played that ball from where it was (if he could figure out a way to get a swing into that ball) if he stood on the other side of the fence and played out?
Just goes to show why the rules of golf need to be amended. Should have been free relief anyway.
I’m confused. Does this mean that even if he were to be left handed the TIO would still obstruct the shot entitling him to a free relief? Or was he able to just say “I’m playing this left handed” and then he gets a relief?
If I'm understanding it correctly a left-handed player would have been entitled to the same free relief he received from the TIO (the netting). But had he told the official "I want to hit this right handed and the fence is blocking my stance" He would have been charged a penalty stroke for relief as the lower fence *isn't* a TIO.
@@TheBob_ ahhh I see, thank you. To be honest that’s such a odd rule but aye makes sense.
Basically, if a TIO is in the line of sight of your intended shot (between you ball and the flag) you get free relief. You do not get free relief from (and cannot remove) any boundary fence or OB post.
So, he gets free relief from the netting (deemed a TIO) once he decided his intended shot from that position would have been to play left-handed towards the green (as the netting was in his line of sight for this choice of shot). If he had elected to chip out sideways left-handed, the netting is not in his line of sight so he wouldn't get free relief. He cannot get free relief from the fence because this is a boundary fence marking the boundary of the course (you can see 'OB' on it meaning 'Out of Bounds').
I guess it's debatable whether his intended shot was really to go for the green left handed from there or if he just said that because he knew he would get the desired free relief. It looks an impossible shot without hitting the OB fence unless he were to play a flop shot over the fence and to the other side of it left-handed and through the trees (with a right-handed club). Once he takes relief, he can play the next shot right-handed.
@@davidgraham8058 thanks. That made more sense than the captions.
What I don't get is if the chain link is OB, and only the NETTING is TIO, how could he possibly get that ball past the fence and up into the netting?
Also, the attempted shot has to be something a player would reasonably attempt in order to get relief. Seems fishy, even with the rules.
Basically this was nothing more than a cleverly disguised foot wedge shot.
Wonder how this would go down with a Sunday golfer? Pretty sure the answer would be 2 words the second being off
Toss it back 6 feet to a pefect lie and chunk an iron that goes 35 yards
@@IamShrimple I feel both offended and attacked by this comment, but only because it's painfully true.
Couldn't he have also said he would have stood on the OB side of the fence with his arms hanging over the fence and played the shot right handed? But he can't because of the mesh part being there?
He could have said that.
I like the way you think
The ref should have made him produce the club and stance and address the ball with his intended left hand shot without hitting it. Then, he could have made a better judgement. I think it is unlikely he or the player would think there was a chance in hell that the netting could be involved in his shot.
The official was probably thinking
"He couldn't hit that netting swinging left handed, with a right handed club, in one hundred attempts from that lie"
And he probably would be right, but the rule is the rule.
I suppose the contentious point here is whether he would have actually chosen to play left handed as he claimed. Simply asking him to demonstrate that he could hit a left handed shot towards the pin that hits the netting would clear this right up.
Smart play though either way.
There is no "demonstration" clause in the rule. There is, however, a requirement that the scenario and interference are "reasonable", which is a judgement call. I think the ref made a bad judgement.
No way he was going to play that shot wrong handed taking that line with ob so close down the left
Completely agree. His line to the hole going on the angle would have meant his club would have hit the fence. I know tv can be misleading and these boys are the best in the world but I fail to see it.
Thats a stretch
Make the whole thing free relief.... simple....
How the official consider that a left handed shot, straight at the hole, would be a possible shot, when the player has no left handed clubs in the bag?
Turn your righty club over, toe to the ground and hit a low burner left-handed
Bad call by the ref. Player can't get relief from something is is impossible, or even "unreasonable"
Blakey, I think that was not a reasonable shot even for a pro. There was no way the pro could take a shot to the green, left handed with the OB stakes affecting his swing. Do you agree with the rulling of this referee in the video?
To me the ruling was a little lenient, but we must remember that the TIO includes a corridor, that is one club-length from the outermost edge of the TIO.
isn't a boundary fence an immovable object?
No, a boundary fence is a boundary object for which there is no free relief (it is not an immovable obstruction).
What the heck.club would.he have played it left handed with??
Couldn't he have just claimed it as interference with his stance since if the netting wasn't there It looks like he technically could have stepped over the short chain link fence and had an awkward chop down at the ball if the netting wasn't there?
You mean the boundary fence?
@@GolfRulesQuestions Yeah. It's kinda hard to tell but it looks like the boundary fence is only about thigh high to him with netting extending up. Hypothetically if the netting wasn't there, wouldn't he be allowed to stand out of bounds and reach the club over to try and to hit the ball?
@@colmmarron4132 that is correct. But because the fence is there, it would need to be determined whether his claim was for an abnormal stroke to try get free relief.
@@GolfRulesQuestions I'm no rules expert by any means, but why would his reason matter if he simply can't make a play due to a TIO? Basically what I'm getting at is the commentary where they said he was taking advantage of a rule by claiming he was gonna hit lefty? To me it seems that the left handed claim was unnecessary and simply if it wasn't for that TIO he could make a play but because it's there he can't. I'm just nitpicking since he got relief anyway, I just don't understand why he had to make the left handed claim. I appreciate the responses though. Keep up the vids and good work, you got a new subscriber here. 👍
@@GolfRulesQuestions
Why was he allowed to drop so far away from the fence? 1-2 club-lengths looked like 8 feet from the fence.
I'm showing this ruling on my Rules session tonight. These pros can make any kind of shot so I have no problem with the relief he was given. If it was me I would have no shot so unplayable would have been it.
I am left handed and there's no way I could execute a shot where the TIO would interfere...I have no doubt the Canadian could do it though.
@@christhecurler but wouldn’t you think it a bit unbelievable he would actually take on this shot with a right handed club and get it over the Out of Bounds fence and also keep it in bounds. I’d love to see Nick Taylor come back and try it. But I don’t think that’s going to happen. 🤣
Couldn't the designate that netting as permanent for the tournament week and avoid bs?
They could.
I don't know all the rules, but seems like he can't play any sort of right handed shot, so would have to do something left handed or presumably get a penalty. If he's got to play left handed then coming out sideways is actually virtually impossible because you can't swing, so realistically the only shot he can play from there is left handed more or less along the line of the fence but left side of the tree in front of him. He wouldn't have to be able to lift it enough to clear the fence at the first post, he would have 5 yds or more to get it the 3-4ft in the air to clear the permanent fence, however because of the lean of the netting if he goes say a foot to the left of the tree the ball will likely hit the netting. Seems like a legit claim that he would have played this shot. He's not going to hit it 200 yds left handed but I bet most pros practice that shot occasionally so they can play something 50 yrs or so out of trouble when needed, which would have been plenty to get him further along the hole and away from the fence. Worse case scenario, if he hit the permanent fence playing leftie he would probably end up in a much more playable position than currently for the next shot.
Honestly the fact that you sometimes see clips of pros making a complete hash of improvised shots actually re-inforces the idea that they go for unlikely attempts like this, so really doesn't seem dishonest here him saying he would try it
Rule 32o clearly states: All players must carry a large Turkey sandwich wrapped in plastic bag placed beside a jar of pickles in the bag,now,and this is crucial, it must be eaten before the first part 6 on the course!!yup that's the etiquette for sure i,incidentally,if Lady Captain is in sight an offer to share must be made!!!
Rule 32o is the oreo rule. 32t is the turkey sandwich one. Easy to confuse for sure
It is indeed crucial that one can differentiate between a Turkey and A biscuit,not an easy task I will grant you,however, I recently spotted the President of US,the Former Guy,smiling at a fluffed up Fowl which he pardoned llike many other fowl individuals on the lawn of the White House,now even he knew it was not a biscuit,and that my man was some achievement for the Ole Groper
I would asked him to show me his lefty club…
I don’t understand why he didn’t have to play the second shot left handed
I agree. But I also do not think that you should be able to use your driver to measure relief and then hit a wedge or any other club other than a driver.
Why not just do a 90 degree area with one club back and out
Gets relief for a left handed shot then plays a right handed game. The fuckery in golf rules!
Can’t drop out of a divot in the middle of the fairway--
But this is perfectly legal
Go figure
I wonder if a right-handed golfer is ever tempted to throw a lefty 7 iron in the bag, just for the odd event you need it. I've seen many clips of people attempting a back-handed shot... I wonder if it's ever even a consideration?
A waste of a club. Turn the iron upside down or hit with the back of it.
@k can only carry 13 as it counts as 2 clubs? How does that work?
I really thought the rule was he had to hit his relief shot left handed.
I wish it was.
So was Nick saying, that if that temporary upper section of the fence had not been there, the shot he was going to play was a left handed shot, with a right handed club, and get it over the lower section of the fence, miss the trees, and land back in play, but it's the uppers section of the fence preventing him from making this shot?
I know pros are skilled, but c'mon!
You almost want to say, well you go ahead and attempt that shot, and if it hits the fence you can take relief from your original spot.
I can understand the fence being in his direct line of sight, but in his line of play?
I think the lower section of the fence and the tree are in his line of play, and there's no relief from those.
That is spot on, I’d tend to say it would be a one in a million shot.
I should let you know that the TIO includes a corridor, that is one club-length from the outermost edge of the TIO.
I’ll never fault somebody using the rules to their advantage. I’ve never done anything that I didn’t think wouldn’t help me win. That being said, it’s ridiculous guys are getting penalized 1-2 shots because their ball rolled an inch and in no way improved their lie/angle to the hole while this guy DRASTICALLY changed his lie/angle to the hole “within the rules.” If not for the net, he’s OB hitting 3 from the tee box.
As soon as the ball was shown up along the fence and explanations started, I scrolled ahead to the shot. Love golf, don’t love hearing/seeing all the technical rules. I know some will disagree, but I can’t imagine even serious golfers (non pros) would care about all this.
Should he not have to play the actual shot left handed then?
I would go even further that the rules should say you can't choose to play a different handedness than what you're playing. If you want to do a left handed swing with a right handed club, go ahead, but no relief.
Makes zero sense. He claimed we was going to swing his club left-handed - and because of that he gets relief. Why would he suddenly not get free relief just because he choose to hold his club the other way? The rules of golf still apply...
They actually did do the rules correctly I actually did the same thing in a tournament
Ok
This is dumb, I could’ve finessed so many penalties back in my days
The rules don't state that you must hit right-handed clubs right-handed. Taylor used the rules to his advantage. However, I was faced with a similar situation in last week's medal; ball between course boundary wall and cart path. Could have elected to play left handed. Instead played right-handed facing back to the target but standing on the path. My playing partner asked why not take free relief. I told him that in my mind it's cheating. End of.
Correct.
But he didn't play a left handed shot. What am I missing here?
He said he was going to, and the referee said that entitles you to free relief.
@@GolfRulesQuestions Then he should have been obligated to hit the shot left handed. He more or less lied.
I hate OB fences. A ball pinned up against an OB fence cost me a triple bogey and a one shot loss in the first tournament I played as a kid
Bad referee decision. Thinking the net might interfere with a left handed shot is not "reasonable". And "reasonable' does apply in this situation in the rules. Even a left handed golfer with left handed clubs could not get the ball up into that net. He'd have to hit a big slice around the lower fence.
That's some bullshit.
He should have been made to play the shot left handed since that's why he got relief.
How can he claim he wanted to play the shot left-hand when he only carries right-hand clubs. I know that you can reserve the club and use it from the left but this relief was behond common sense and was intended to circumvent the rules. Poor decision on the player and rules official.
The issue was the short fence and mesh which he argued left him with only a left-hand shot possible to make because of the proximity to the fence but if the TIO mesh wasn't present he would of had a line of play to the pin shooting lefty from that spot. The referee agreed and granted him the relief, using the rules isn't circumventing the rules.
How would you propose he had hit that ball righty with that fence in the way? Shoot straight backwards down the course? Try to straddle over top of the fence with the club almost 90 degree's vertical to clear the fencing?
Shooting lefty reverse club was his only reasonable chance and doing that if the mesh wasn't in the way he'd have a line to the pin - having a line and there being a good chance of hitting that line are two very different things and the latter is irrelevant to the rule.
As I understand it he could have also just said he'd try to hit righty over the fence if the mesh wasn't present and get the relief too, either way he was going to get relief.
Yeah that's using the rules. He should have had to play it left handed! Make that fence permanent for the tournament week.
he should have been forced to play his shot left handed since that how he said he was going to play
Yeah that part doesn’t make sense.
He had NO Right Hand Relief due to the OB Fence and TIO Screening. He did conceivably have a Left Handed Shot besides a Pitch Out, so he was permitted Relief from the TIO.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 Yes, I understand that. What I said was since his only relief was if he tried to hit left handed, then after he received relief he should have been required to hit left handed. since that was how he was going to play he shot prior.
@@tchevrier well then Petition for the Rule to be Changed.
Relief from TIO is a moot point for 99.9% of Recreational Golfers, since this normally only happens at Professional Tournaments because of the Spectator Infrastructure.
@@tchevrier Why should he have to play his shot that way still? The ball is now in a different place, with a different lie and line to the hole. Seems silly that you would lose to the ability to make club or shot selection because you took a drop - all of the same rules apply whether his ball has been dropped or is in it's original position.
Why does it say playing left handed when he's playing right
He said he would play left-handed to get free relief.
@@GolfRulesQuestions but he didn’t.
I mean, he said he was going to play it left handed to get the relief, then shouldn’t he have to play it left handed when the relief is given?
@@Totaro17 Yes, fortunately/unfortunately the Rules don't make you continue with the exact shot that you determined you were going to hit when the ball was in a different position.
When in doubt, pretend to be able to hit opposite handed shots and take relief
Not a viable option for anyone of a handicap of greater than 10.
@@GolfRulesQuestions You are missing the point. you do not have to take a left handed shot after taking relief. If it would be "reasonable" to want to try a left handed shot, and that grants you relief, you can take full relief (assuming a left handed stance) and then take a right handed swing at it.
Was the point that you are trying to make, be dishonest and you can get away with anything?
@@GolfRulesQuestions It is not dishonest at all? It is taking advantage of the rules. It is written plainly. You are either playing by the rules or you are not. I do not understand why you think you get to govern some grey are of morality in the rules that doesn't even exist. Is it "dishonest" to give yourself a better lie when taking relief normally? By your logic, it would be. On a patch of dirt with cart path interference? You better drop onto another patch of dirt so you can be "honest" lmao. Golf screws everyone over on its own. You take every break that the rules will give you, or you just aren't playing golf.
@matthewwhite5158 actually it is dishonest, because you are saying you can hit a shot that you very well know you can't hit. You aren't taking advantage of the Rules, you are blatantly lying to get around the Rules.
At least he didn't have to play it off Frankenstein's fat foot!
Frankensteins FAT foot good sir.
@@TOMTHETYRANT Don't know what you mean? 😉
(thanks for the correction)
Nobody at my club would have given me relief on this crap. I wouldn't even ask.
This is embarrassing tbh. No way is he playing that shot left-handed over the OB. Should've been OB in the first place.
OK, let's pretend that fence is a small bush instead, and the ball came to rest to the right of it. A right handed player then determines his back swing is completely impeded by branches on the bush. Clearly, a left handed shot is impossible too. The bush is in the way. The player decides in the end to lay down and sweep the ball out with a 3 iron club face, and advancing it, let's say, 15 yards. Is that shot legal?
leaves a bad taste in my mouth, no punishment for hitting a bad drive, dont want to play from there dont hit it there. Also agree with most, you claim your hitting lefty you should have to hit lefty
Imagine being upset by golf lmao
But if Patrick Reed did it....
Total nonsense. (IMHO) He should have been asked to demonstrate the shot and if he hit the TIO then he gets the drop. Common sense really. 😇
He got relief because he claimed he wanted to make a left-handed shot toward the flag? Then, post relief, goes ahead and makes a right-hand swing? Might all be within the rules, but ughhh.
He should've had to play a left handed shot after the free drop since that was his intent next to the fence. Goofy
Except he was no longer against the fence. New scenario, new assessment of reasonable shot.
Why wouldn’t you get relief if you say you’re gonna play right handed?
Because the interference would be from the boundary fence, not the TIO.
this was a pile of crap - people would go nuts if this was p reed.
A burden he put on himself IMO
@@andy.robinson can't argue with this, however, this was one of the most lame reliefs I have ever seen. Talk about getting an unfair advantage over the rest of the field with that break after that pull hook. My problem is the overall hypocrisy. I just feel like, if golf gives you a break, you take it. The rules are typically against you, so when you get a legal break, take it, and don't berate those that do - unless people want to berate everyone equally all the time and not pick and choose who they're upset with!
@@EricCartmenez1 You do know that Reed moved A LOT of sand with his backswing, multiple times, then claimed he didn't know he'd done anything wrong. Right? You know that? That's not using the rules to your favor. That's blatantly breaking them to gain an advantage.
@@winstonsmith11 well aware buddy. Stand behind my statement, it was a bogus pile of crap on both ends. My opinion, you're entitled to yours!
Cheat-simple as............. always find the better player plays to the extreme of the rules, they always believe that a bad lie isn’t fair for the quality of their game and a majority of the time they cannot accept they hit a bad shot - so always try to bend the rules, which is fair enough .... but is it????
That's fucking ridiculous
Play the ball as it lies or accept a penalty....
anything else is cheating
Using the rules to your advantage (USGA). Cheating (R&A).
That just doesn’t look right.
Not a fan of this one. Once he said I am playing it left handed and got relief, he should have had to hit the shot left handed.
ridiculous! whatever handed shot got you into that place should be the way you're assumed to be playing the subsequent shot... this guy got to move his ball like 15 feet...
I think this is where the rules should be changed, shouldn't be able to say you are going to hit it left handed to use the rules
Yup, or if you declared you were going to play left-handed for the shot to get a relief, you must play that shot left-handed.
Fucking cheating in my mind...
Can't blame him really, especially when the guy is leading... imagine losing the lead basically voluntarily.. not gonna happen..
If he had lost the lead, it would have been because of a botched drive. He should have had to play it left handed. If I had been the official, my first question would have been, “do you actually have a left handed club in your bag?”.
total fail he couldnt have moved the ball towards the hole with the lower fence there.. fail rules official..
Not to mention the T-I-O was less detrimental than the T-R-EE!
this made no fucking sense
This is why so many of the rules of golf are stupid.
Please PGA get rid of the mask they are outside beyond rediculous
Legal cheating
Seems a bit "generiys" to say the least. He should have played this left handed
in the end golf rules are just idiotic. a right handed player can gain relief as if he is left handed? epic fail.
Just another stupid golf rule....so you say one thing its not ok but then you say it different you get relief? Then that relief allows you to play it with a normal swing? Golf rules are a joke.
Well, I don't care about the rule. This is cheating to me. No way in hell he would have made any type of lefthanded shot to the target from that position without the net. I'm blaming the player for sure. Golf is a game in which we penalize ourselves. It's an honor system. Do not bend the rule further than it was intended to be used. That's it!
What a bunch of BS....if he got free relief left handed, he should have played left handed.
He would have never made that left-handed shot over the fence. With the tree in the way. This is cheating Knowing you never make a left-handed shot. But claiming you would take that shot to get the relief. You're being dishonest So you can make the rules. In your favor
“If the ref didn’t think it was a possible shot, then Taylor wouldn’t get free relief.” Whoever made that caption needs to learn to not use double negatives. Just say if the shot was impossible then the ref wouldn’t give him relief. Or if the shot is possible he gets relief.
I apologize if I'm just too cynical, but I don't see how a reasonable person would believe his claim in this situation. I really don't understand the announcers' attitude here. If he is lying about the shot he would play without the net there (and I believe he is), then he is cheating. I agree that he is allowed to make the claim, and that the rules official can't stop him. But we should judge him for it. When did this become "a smart play"!? I thought that we valued honesty more with regard to the rules of golf.
Agreed. The referee could have easily denied his request.
That is not the honest way to play this. How disappointing.
What we hate about soccer is the constant cheating, what we love about golf is the spirit of the game, the fair play element. This is breaking the spirit of the rules, he would never have attempted to get that ball up and over that fence, even Phil wouldn't gave tried. This is cheating and de-values the sport, funny how Americans seem to be leading the way in this area.
Nick Taylor is Canadian, sorry if that doesn't fit in with the 'spirit' of your criticism
@@bt9704 it does a bit, haha, the most important part though is that some sport has cheating at it's core, golf is the opposite and we'd like to keep it that way.
Stupid rules, I feel he's morally cheating