Bryson Doesn't Let Go - Golf Rules Explained

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  • @Gman6755
    @Gman6755 3 года назад +281

    Whatever he did, the pga rules official said ok so end of discussion.

    • @HollywoodJoe
      @HollywoodJoe 3 года назад +5

      Actually it’s not end of discussion lol

    • @spencerbelknap7188
      @spencerbelknap7188 3 года назад +4

      @@HollywoodJoe it actually is

    • @HollywoodJoe
      @HollywoodJoe 3 года назад +2

      Nah.
      Gotem.

    • @richman117
      @richman117 3 года назад +3

      @@HollywoodJoe i mean dude the rules guy is to blame, he clearly said he is entitled to move it. I thought he was going to say no because that wasn't really in his line

    • @rob_BMA
      @rob_BMA 3 года назад +7

      Pretty easy to sit behind a TV screen and say it's not in his way. The official say it is so it is.

  • @nickdfoxy
    @nickdfoxy 3 года назад +126

    Since we're being a stickler for rules here, the rules of English dictate that there should be no apostrophe in the word "lets" which appears in this video at the 2:52 mark.

    • @Paudyyy
      @Paudyyy 3 года назад +6

      Atta boy Nick, spot on 😊😂

    • @neilmackay7319
      @neilmackay7319 3 года назад +18

      Surely it's either "Since we're being sticklers for rules here" or "Since you're being a stickler for rules here".

    • @nickdfoxy
      @nickdfoxy 3 года назад +8

      @@neilmackay7319 Technically you are correct. But I used the word "we" the way a patronizing person would say "how are we feeling today?" or 'we sound like we got out on the wrong side of the bed today" in an attempt to be funny.

    • @neilmackay7319
      @neilmackay7319 3 года назад +8

      @@nickdfoxy It was very funny. We peed a bit.

    • @IdeasExchange1
      @IdeasExchange1 3 года назад +3

      @@neilmackay7319 Since they're being sticklers for a rule here.

  • @lsuscooter4413
    @lsuscooter4413 3 года назад +38

    I agree with Gman, if u dont like the ruling, blame it on the PGA official who told him it was ok. It's not like he did this all by himself. He asked the question and received an answer.

    • @leonhardeuler675
      @leonhardeuler675 3 года назад

      If it was snooker, then the player wouldn't take any unfair advantage. That is the culture of that game. The official's job is to uphold the word of the law but the player could have not asked. I think that it is partly a problem with the culture of golf.

    • @lsuscooter4413
      @lsuscooter4413 3 года назад

      @@leonhardeuler675 good point.

    • @HHSJohn
      @HHSJohn 3 года назад +5

      @@leonhardeuler675 But we're not playing snooker, we're playing golf. The officials job is so enforce the rules and if you have a problem with the rules, well, don't hate the player, hate the game,

    • @leonhardeuler675
      @leonhardeuler675 3 года назад +2

      @@HHSJohn Ok, well i don't think I want to play with you then.

    • @tombrockhoff3081
      @tombrockhoff3081 3 года назад

      if you play golf then you know that every player uses rules like this to their advantage. nothing wrong with it

  • @timhewitt32
    @timhewitt32 2 года назад +2

    The relief was clearly for his stance, and not the line.

  • @VERTICALWisdom
    @VERTICALWisdom 3 года назад +187

    Player asks question "Am I entitled to move ball/" Official says yes. Leave it the F alone.

  • @Natedoc808
    @Natedoc808 3 года назад +5

    I heard some people bitching that Bryson cheated on a putt during his bay hill victory and finally found what they were taking about. They hate that he obeys the rules and wins.

    • @kh7955
      @kh7955 3 года назад

      He doesnt obey the rules though. He bends them to fit his game and hes honestly ruining the game of golf single handedly

    • @Natedoc808
      @Natedoc808 3 года назад

      @@kh7955 Hardly. He is playing by same set of rules as anyone else, he just seems to know them better so he can see how they benefit him instead of viewing them as confining/hindering him. People just hate him because they aint him.

    • @GottaLoveRedMan
      @GottaLoveRedMan 2 года назад +1

      @@kh7955 Precisely how is he “bending” the rules? He asked for and abided by a ruling by a PGA rules official.

  • @juicydangla4270
    @juicydangla4270 3 года назад +23

    I think it was fair to say it could effect his stance, he wouldve been standing on the sprinkler. Alough it wouldve hardly altered his hit, it is technically a rule.

    • @andrewrubin4694
      @andrewrubin4694 3 года назад +1

      I wonder whether anyone on the USGA/R&A rules committee has considered the fact that with most courses banning metal spikes, some of the rules involving the stance make less sense [or no sense] than when the rules were written. Spikeless shoes, or even shoes with plastic spikes do not slip on paved paths the way metal spikes did, thus, there is no reason to allow a drop for interference with ones stance.
      This analysis does not apply to the PGA where a lot of players are still wearing metal spikes. [I suspect that over time, metal spikes will disappear as golfers going out on tour grew up without metal spikes and are used to non metal spikes or shoes without spikes.]

  • @TheDjcarter1966
    @TheDjcarter1966 3 года назад +12

    What more can he do he asked the rules official and he said yes the end....

  • @MrTucker2356
    @MrTucker2356 3 года назад +3

    If you pause the video @.32 sec. You will see a still image of where his ball came to rest off the green. It is already a given that the putting line is some 15 feet right of the hole. So, with his normal putting stance, his left foot is not going to be anywhere near the sprinkler. Therefore, he should not have been given relief.

    • @Flatlandmike
      @Flatlandmike 3 года назад +1

      You can see the judge get over the ball and say soemthing to the affect of the sprinkler being in his line. The ball if hit towards the hole would have hit the lip of the right sprinkler so was awarded a drop. First the official tells him to mark the nearest spot that the sprinkler would not be in the line and then he has 1 club length. All between 50 sec and 1:20

    • @jolicante8748
      @jolicante8748 3 года назад +1

      Well he fooled the official, who clearly isn't the best putter in the world 🙄, by asking him about the relief. When you check the video you will see the official taking direct line to the flag ( like its a flat putt) completly disregarding that he had to putt 10feet right of the hole to be anywhere near it.😁😁😁

  • @rickschipper4502
    @rickschipper4502 3 года назад +53

    You guys missed the point completely, if he tried to putt the original lie his foot would’ve been in the sprinkler hole.

    • @Thorniepanda
      @Thorniepanda 3 года назад +10

      Mind absolutely blown. Read about 50 comments about how it did or didn’t effect the line... this makes so much sense now😂. Thx much!

    • @tedskala
      @tedskala 3 года назад +7

      This is not what happened. He asked the official about line of play, not is stance. He would have demonstrated his stance and shown his foot on the sprinkler head

    • @rickschipper4502
      @rickschipper4502 3 года назад +1

      @@tedskala understandable, I’m struggling to see how an official would allow that though. It seems like maybe the commentators had the wrong idea, unless he fooled the official. Which would be pretty ballsy haha

    • @cyclingluke9412
      @cyclingluke9412 3 года назад

      That’s the fist thing that popped in my mind and I was looking for back up to see if I wasn’t crazy😂

    • @touristguy87
      @touristguy87 3 года назад

      ...only if he actually put his foot in the hole.

  • @mikewilliams1479
    @mikewilliams1479 3 года назад +15

    That looked playable to me. Maybe not good enough for putting. PGA Rule officials said its ok. So whatever

    • @robedeau14
      @robedeau14 3 года назад

      Play it where it lies

    • @mattneil1449
      @mattneil1449 3 года назад

      @@robedeau14 you're ball struck my foot Shooter

    • @RubSomefastOnIt
      @RubSomefastOnIt 3 года назад +1

      It was playable but you get relief so your feet are also not touching the sprinkler...

  • @reedr7142
    @reedr7142 19 дней назад

    Unless it's stipulated in the local rules, there is no relief for IO in line of play. Perhaps the sprinkler head impeded his stance, but it sounded like the official mentioned his line, not his stance. How often are officials incorrect in their ruling?

  • @nikmak
    @nikmak 3 года назад +5

    Pro rulings would take 3-5 shots of my game

    • @petes474
      @petes474 3 года назад +1

      the things that would take strokes off my game is having a gallery, stopping the ball several times instead of bouncing OB or under trees

  • @williamsanders6092
    @williamsanders6092 3 года назад +3

    Commentators should keep their opinions to their selves. They are not rules officials nor are they privy to the conversation at the time of incident.

    • @paulbrown4611
      @paulbrown4611 3 года назад

      As you noted they're commentators so they're commentating

  • @risajajr
    @risajajr 3 года назад +4

    One thing he got out of this was that his ball was only inches into the apron vs at least a foot into it at its original location. Not a fan of how this was ruled and executed.

  • @stupidas9466
    @stupidas9466 2 года назад

    Nothing to do with local rules. Nor his stance. The sprinkler head was within two club lengths from the green, so the player is not forced to chip. Since he is allowed to putt, if the sprinkler head will cause an obstruction to the putting line then the player is allowed relief. At first glance (from behind the ball) it doesn't look like it is in the "line" but that camera angle was close to the ground. The angle from past the hole looking back shows the sprinkler head depression is much wider than first appeared, and was indeed in the line. The official had a great and accurate view, determined the line was obstructed, and allowed the relief. Notice where the tee was placed, and summary confirmation by the golfer to the official that that spot was the nearest clear line to the hole. The relief was necessary, was allowed by the rules both in letter and spirit, and the official granted the request.

    • @douglamb1521
      @douglamb1521 2 года назад

      Of course it has to do with a local rule. There is no relief under the Rules of Golf for a sprinkler head in the line of play.

  • @diego9412
    @diego9412 2 месяца назад

    The rule does say: There is no relief under this Local Rule if the player chooses a line of play that is clearly unreasonable.

  • @gerrycollins2335
    @gerrycollins2335 2 года назад

    The official decided that "intended line of play" was a direct line between the ball's original position and the hole. The depression in which the sprinkler head sat was interfering with that line. In fact, due to the slope of the green, the intended line of the putt was more to the right, so maybe free relief should not have been allowed. But I'll side with the official here: if there was no interference from the sprinkler head, Bryson would have decided to take the putt from its original position, which was slightly closer the hole than from the relief position. I don't believe that being able to line up the ball when he placed it was a factor at all in wanting to take relief.

  • @njs300800
    @njs300800 2 года назад

    I've chipped and putt standing on sprinkler heads quite a few times.. Not like I was taking a full swing and risking slipping or anything. It didn't bother me that much but to each their own.

  • @andrewrubin4694
    @andrewrubin4694 3 года назад

    I wonder whether anyone on the USGA/R&A rules committee has considered the fact that with most courses banning metal spikes, some of the rules involving the stance make less sense [or no sense] than when the rules were written. Spikeless shoes, or even shoes with plastic spikes do not slip on paved paths the way metal spikes did, thus, there is no reason to allow a drop for interference with ones stance.
    This analysis does not apply to the PGA where a lot of players are still wearing metal spikes. [I suspect that over time, metal spikes will disappear as golfers going out on tour grew up without metal spikes and are used to non metal spikes or shoes without spikes.]

  • @bantoniplakantry9138
    @bantoniplakantry9138 3 года назад +7

    As I understand this rule, it's a local rule, so you'd have to check what the local rule says. But usually, relief is only available for interference with line of play, in which case he wouldn't qualify for relief.

    • @petermcgill1315
      @petermcgill1315 3 года назад +2

      My club has the same rule. I told a player one day he ‘just had to chip it...’ and he told me ‘...just have to look on the back of the card...’ Ouch!

    • @bantoniplakantry9138
      @bantoniplakantry9138 3 года назад +3

      @@petermcgill1315 i wasn't aware of this rule either until recently. As far as I was concerned, unless your ball was in the sprinkler head or your stance was affected, it was tough titties. But then I found out this was one of the changes that was made in 2019.

    • @petermcgill1315
      @petermcgill1315 3 года назад +4

      @@bantoniplakantry9138 I devoured Tom Watson’s rules book back in the day and this one stuck out. You just might have to chip it. Local rules too can be your friend.

    • @touristguy87
      @touristguy87 3 года назад +1

      so you like to try to have your cake and eat it too.

  • @andygreen2765
    @andygreen2765 3 года назад +3

    Watched this expecting some big 'Reed-esque' controversy. Really don't see what the fuss is here. He asked, was told yes, did it. Anyone explain the title of the vid?

  • @aaronsmith7946
    @aaronsmith7946 3 года назад +6

    I love these comments because I wonder how many on here complained about Tiger Wood's having basically the EXACT same thing happen to him on 15 at Augusta National with people demanding he withdraw from the tournament, etc. because of it.

    • @tysonh424
      @tysonh424 3 года назад +6

      I think its ridiculous for people condemn the player when the rules official witnesses the whole process. Patrick Reed at Farmers is the only exception because he did some shady stuff before the rules official showed up. I guess I'm so use to playing sports (baseball, basketball) where the rules are your friend, and using them to your benefit isn't frowned upon. Golf is hard enough, why not use the rules to benefit you?

    • @josephdurkin8180
      @josephdurkin8180 3 года назад

      Yeah but everyone loves tiger, no one really cares about Bryson........

  • @billygraham5589
    @billygraham5589 3 года назад

    Is there a rule that says in placing a ball you must not have your hand on the ball a long time, such as to line up the line on the ball with the target line on a putt? Also, his left toe would have been on the sprinkler.

    • @iwannaseenow1
      @iwannaseenow1 3 года назад

      yes there is a rule, it's in the vid. orientation must be decided on before dropping. he asks while placing the ball on the ground.douche bag knew what he was doing, total bs about it interfering with the line.

  • @williamjenks6866
    @williamjenks6866 3 года назад +7

    Thats a lot of rules to know

    • @equalizer7543
      @equalizer7543 3 года назад

      Theres only 24 reduced from 34, the drop was no nearer the hole, the discussion ends when the 'Ref' endorses the decision.

    • @grumpy-dad3701
      @grumpy-dad3701 3 года назад

      Never follow them. Spoil the fun

    • @christophermusso
      @christophermusso 3 года назад

      @@equalizer7543 How many section, subsections, paragraphs, etc. MLB only has 9 rules, but you get lovely things like 5.10(m)(2)(G). The minutiae stack up pretty fast.

    • @equalizer7543
      @equalizer7543 3 года назад

      @@christophermussoand they will increase as time goes on, thats a fact, see how many changes have been installed since the first publication of the rule book

  • @golfcrank
    @golfcrank 3 года назад +1

    Hey Blakey, I notice you didn’t address the elephant in the room here - the commentators’ observations that the local rule allowing relief (F5 in the Model local rules) didn’t appear to apply here because of:
    Exception - No Relief If Line of Play Clearly Unreasonable. There is no relief under this Local Rule if the player chooses a line of play that is clearly unreasonable.
    Any comment on this or don’t want to disagree with a fellow Rules official?

  • @mr.awesome8021
    @mr.awesome8021 3 года назад +14

    Bryson, #1 golfer in the world every second Thursday of the month. Loves chicken tacos with extra lettuce, Che Baby

  • @JackRainfield
    @JackRainfield 3 года назад +12

    Bryson and Patrick are going to need a rules official permanently assigned to their group!

  • @Sparty1966grad
    @Sparty1966grad 2 года назад +2

    The thing that cracks me up about things like this is they already have someone telling them exactly where their ball is at every time. Played a course a few days ago and the rough was mega tall and thick. Lost 3 balls but because we couldn't find them (found 6 that I stepped on in the process at least).

  • @dopeyneptune3435
    @dopeyneptune3435 3 года назад +1

    Dude found a way to use the rules for him instead of against him🤷🏻‍♂️ can’t be upset with it

    • @tombrockhoff3081
      @tombrockhoff3081 3 года назад

      all players do that

    • @dopeyneptune3435
      @dopeyneptune3435 3 года назад

      @@tombrockhoff3081 yes thank you genius, I’m not sure I could’ve figured that out without you

  • @markdiego1534
    @markdiego1534 3 года назад +1

    Maybe in his stance?

  • @cliftonmanley3882
    @cliftonmanley3882 3 года назад +2

    If it's interfering with him in anyway he's entitled to a drop. Or to press charges I suppose.🤣🤣🤣

    • @BChandl13
      @BChandl13 3 года назад +1

      If it's interfering with the line he's not per rules of golf, only stance which this is not interfering with. It's only a local tournament rule thats specific to that event and week that allowed his relief.

    • @cliftonmanley3882
      @cliftonmanley3882 3 года назад

      @@BChandl13 sorry I should have been more succinct, only if it interferes directly with the fplayer

    • @cliftonmanley3882
      @cliftonmanley3882 3 года назад

      @Kris Edwards Cart paths are a Local rule. But generally Made Made Immovable Obstruction covers cart paths.

    • @cliftonmanley3882
      @cliftonmanley3882 3 года назад

      @Kris Edwards I won my first tournament by 8 shots... I've driven the ball 400y right up the middle. I've had 21 putts. Had 5 under par off the stick. Captained my High School Team to 2 consecutive victories the first by 18 shots the second 6 shots.
      I have multiple Monthly medals...
      I began playing in 1972.
      Golf is RULES, DECISIONS AND ETTIQUETE...
      That's all it is. If you ignore Rules, Local Rules being Rukes, you are in Breach of the Rules... in other words a Cheat, not a golfer... so that makes Me a golfer.. what does it make You?

    • @cliftonmanley3882
      @cliftonmanley3882 3 года назад

      @Kris Edwards really? What you want to bet? Tell you what. I am booked to play soon, at Queanbeyan Golf Club, where I'm currently a Full Playing Member, although not on the Committee these days. I do that with a bad back every time I play... 🤣🤣🤣 don't give up your day job mate...

  • @jz3689
    @jz3689 3 года назад +1

    Not sure why they couldn’t just put a patch of grass over that sprinkler.

  • @StaffandStormcloud
    @StaffandStormcloud 3 года назад +1

    I dont like how the comentator says "none of those factors were involved". How does he know? Bryson is standing right there, and so is the pga tour official and they both agreed it was. Where's the commentator guy? 30 feet away? 50 feet? 150? Watching it from the tv camera's?

    • @Natedoc808
      @Natedoc808 3 года назад

      1000 yards away in the booth looking at a monitor

  • @andrefecteau
    @andrefecteau 3 года назад +2

    uhh, thought we were trying to speed up play...take the Michelson option and just kick it where you want it.

  • @anthonycoleman1909
    @anthonycoleman1909 Год назад

    So the rules official, who is probably not a professional golfer, has to determine whether the line the professional golfer intends to take is reasonable. Given 95% of golfers don't know how to line up a putt properly, this is a tough position for a rules official to be put in.

  • @xMrJanuaryx
    @xMrJanuaryx 3 года назад +1

    What are they confused about? It clearly would have altered his stance.

  • @BMF_four_twenty
    @BMF_four_twenty 3 года назад

    BULL SHHHHHHH Bryson is the Lebron of golf

    • @BMF_four_twenty
      @BMF_four_twenty 3 года назад

      Also can’t not say it with Bryson. Anchoring your club to your arm is the same as your body. Sam Sneed’s behind the ball stroke was more “Legal” than Bryson’s anchoring the putter to his arm instead of chest or belly. At least he used his hands

    • @bmil38
      @bmil38 3 года назад

      @@BMF_four_twenty If Tiger used an arm lock putter, you'd say nothing about it lmao

  • @Randsurfer
    @Randsurfer 3 месяца назад

    Obviously he took relief because of his stance, but he should have taken his intended stance once to demonstrate the interference.

  • @jackg2630
    @jackg2630 3 года назад

    Why’d he put the driver on the ground whats the point of a caddy

  • @steveszanto1581
    @steveszanto1581 3 года назад +15

    Announcer in the tower or looking on a monitor doesn't have the same angle as the rules official on the ground. He can disagree all he wants but he's wrong.

    • @SpearDivin
      @SpearDivin 3 года назад +1

      Maltby is not in a booth dimwit. He follows the groups

    • @steveszanto1581
      @steveszanto1581 3 года назад +1

      @@SpearDivin nice attitude

  • @igrand6473
    @igrand6473 3 года назад +1

    Lol he even lines it up when he placed it

    • @risajajr
      @risajajr 3 года назад +1

      @@jerryinsc It's all within the rules, true. But in the spirit of the game, he ended up with a ball closer to the putting surface and perfectly aligned to the line he wanted to put on. That is not how the ball was lying before the relief was granted.

    • @risajajr
      @risajajr 3 года назад +1

      @@jerryinsc The spirit of the game is to play the ball as it lies and on the course as it is found. Of course the rules allow certain relief in special circumstances -- particularly when some aspect of the course was never intended to be part of the challenge of playing golf (e.g. having to hit a ball resting on a sprinkler head or being forced to stand on a sprinkler head). But that relief most closely matches the spirit of the game if the ball is moved without making your next shot significantly easier. The relief should result in your next shot being substantially similar to the original lie, just with the concern about the impediment being eliminated. Of course you can't implement rules that guarantee that outcome in all cases. But moving a ball away from a sprinkler head so that the putt you get to make goes over much less non-putting surface AND with the ball carefully aligned to the line of putt is where this goes beyond the spirit of the game. It'd be hard to make any useful rule regarding the first part (the shorter non-putting surface), but perhaps the second could be addressed by requiring that if a player is placing his ball after two drops, he be required to do so without aligning his ball or marks on his ball to his intended direction of play. I'm not saying Bryson is cheating here. But I am saying he got a much better subsequent shot after the relief (than the shot he would have had if the sprinkler head were never in the way in the first place).

    • @Natedoc808
      @Natedoc808 3 года назад

      Sticking to the rules all the way so long as he lines it up prior to letting go of the ball

    • @igrand6473
      @igrand6473 3 года назад

      @@risajajr yeah gets two advantages from his relieve

  • @mrradman2986
    @mrradman2986 3 года назад +3

    Pros get far too many favourable drops which leave them with an improved lie more than just getting relief.

  • @robinaboy
    @robinaboy 3 года назад +14

    I agree with the commentator. The sprinkler head wasn’t interfering in his stance or swing, and the line of the putt was well off to the right. He could easily have played that shot without needing relief. Dodgy.

    • @brucemiller1696
      @brucemiller1696 3 года назад +4

      Just play the shot where it lies. Even if it landed on some big mean guys foot.

    • @BatMan-xr8gg
      @BatMan-xr8gg 3 года назад +6

      Rules Official said he could take relief, end of story.

    • @Greg-GT1
      @Greg-GT1 3 года назад

      Are these officials paid some cash under the table from some players or they simply don't know the rules

    • @BatMan-xr8gg
      @BatMan-xr8gg 3 года назад +1

      @@Greg-GT1 I find it funny, that so many people do not know the rules. Bryson was no nearer the hole, and the sprinkler head may have affected his stance. Even on the fairway, if you are within 2 club lengths near a sprinkler you can take relief. Remember, being near a sprinkler, the ground is different and slopes towards it. Why should someone be punished for it. Does not matter where he aimed the putt, it is in his stance that matters.

    • @bmil38
      @bmil38 3 года назад +2

      @@BatMan-xr8gg I don't disagree with you but I think it's funny that a ball in a divot on the fairway cannot be moved, but a ball close to, not even on, a sprinkler head can be moved.

  • @Cletusvandammm
    @Cletusvandammm 3 года назад +3

    Next rules video featuring Bryson should be about D-Bol and Testosterone shots

  • @anyexpat
    @anyexpat 3 года назад

    All Stances Matter

  • @Big_T51
    @Big_T51 3 года назад

    Rules official made the decision. Nothing else matters

  • @RealHIFIHelp
    @RealHIFIHelp 3 года назад +1

    Weird.

  • @tvs3497
    @tvs3497 3 года назад

    Just another day at the course for Mr. DeChambeau. How's Tiger doing?

  • @idefix0620
    @idefix0620 3 года назад +1

    Bryson Dechambeau knew the sprinkler was not in his line of play.
    So he cheated when he indicated a straight line to the referee, knowing it is in fact a strong right to left.
    The referee looked at a straight line and granted the free drop. Problem is the rules official knows the rules very well, but line of play needs him to be able to read the putt when he is likely a very average golfer himself. Can he really go into a discussion with a pro golfer?
    However, a player with integrity for the game would not make such a ruling request, fooling the referee.

  • @touristguy87
    @touristguy87 3 года назад

    your problem is that you need a rule for this.

  • @ViennaGuy2000
    @ViennaGuy2000 3 года назад

    I don't get the confusion. You don't have to stand on a fucking sprinkler head (immovable object). It had nothing to do with his line. I've used this rule a lot of times over the years, thanks to my really knowledgable golf pro who is a rules encyclopedia. Like getting relief from abnormal course conditions due to repair from a burrowing animal (16.1).

    • @robbie288
      @robbie288 3 года назад +1

      Is an ant a burrowing animal?

    • @ViennaGuy2000
      @ViennaGuy2000 3 года назад +3

      @@robbie288 It is if you can convince your playing partner that it is! ;-)

  • @alexthetic
    @alexthetic 2 года назад

    The worlds biggest sook!!

  • @evanlegere4154
    @evanlegere4154 3 года назад

    I have no problem with this

    • @sportsjefe
      @sportsjefe 3 года назад

      He'd be stepping on the sprinkler head if the ball stays there, right?

    • @jwboilermaker
      @jwboilermaker 3 года назад

      Winter rules...

  • @iamfodder1017
    @iamfodder1017 3 года назад +4

    He moved it left and forward, closer to the hole, for a much better line.....how the hell is that allowed by any set of rules?

    • @blakeskoumal2675
      @blakeskoumal2675 3 года назад +10

      He moved it perpendicular to the hole. It was just closer to the edge of the green.

    • @jaylasky4313
      @jaylasky4313 3 года назад +4

      @@blakeskoumal2675 don't confuse him with logic

    • @bradfletcher1991
      @bradfletcher1991 3 года назад +1

      What’s more logical...putting through 12” of fringe or 2”? Regardless of it not being any closer to the hole, it’s still a better lie douchebag

    • @jaylasky4313
      @jaylasky4313 3 года назад +4

      @@bradfletcher1991 calling people douchebag from behind a computer far far away? Hilarious.

    • @Natedoc808
      @Natedoc808 3 года назад

      Cannot be forced to stand on a sprinkler, club perpendicular to the hole so not closer, outlined clearly in rule book

  • @TheTeamdom
    @TheTeamdom 3 года назад +2

    Do you guys also get the ad "Would you believe that you can get rid of your slice with 15 swings?" - Well, I'd like to make a counter ad: "Getting rid of slice is possible with only one swing - just go SINGLE PLANE!"

  • @jamesbowerify
    @jamesbowerify 3 года назад

    His lawyer got him off on a technicality. I say guilty of wearing the ugliest hat on tour

  • @deanknowles1631
    @deanknowles1631 3 года назад

    Fire the rules official.

  • @patrickwall8517
    @patrickwall8517 3 года назад

    The only issue I have with the decision is that if it was made because a local rule was adopted then that goes against USGA rules because USGA rules do not allow local rules to be adopted in tournaments.

    • @GolfRulesQuestions
      @GolfRulesQuestions  3 года назад +3

      Where did you hear/read that myth?

    • @zirxie
      @zirxie 3 года назад +1

      100% not true. The committee gets to decide whether or not they will use local rules for each course, which in this case they chose to use them

  • @stevegabbert9626
    @stevegabbert9626 3 года назад +1

    He missed the put anyway, so it seems to me he had the same chance at making it if he had just changed his stance a little.

  • @11Gr8N8
    @11Gr8N8 3 года назад

    Cool channel, maybe slightly smaller font to cover less of the video

    • @GolfRulesQuestions
      @GolfRulesQuestions  3 года назад

      Good feedback. Were you watching on a computer or a mobile device?

  • @nbt3663
    @nbt3663 3 года назад +8

    Again, the announcers are killing the game. His partner, should've been asked first. Then if there is need of clarification get a rules official. The fact they are questioning this just shows their desire to try to hurt the player or get a controversy going or something. They're not even standing there but the rules official is.

    • @jonc3295
      @jonc3295 3 года назад +2

      He does not have a partner, it's an individual event. If it was match play he could ask his opponent and if his opponent says yes, he can do what he likes (assuming there is no assigned ref). In stroke play, another player is not the one to decide. I would not trust a pro golfer to know anything, just like Bryson clearly. The ref was rightly called and I have no issue with the placement. He asked before placing if he could line it up, so clearly only intended it to be put into play when aligned.

    • @nbt3663
      @nbt3663 3 года назад

      @@jonc3295 Opponent def is the right word. I have always thought you should let your Opponent know what's happening. But we, Joe Hicapper, probably will have to make the judgment call and get a rulling after the round. In this case, the fact they saw the bounce, but couldn't see the line, I would say the best judgment is that it covered. Golf is tough. But second guessing by announcers is really not good.

    • @kyle381000
      @kyle381000 Год назад

      Within the context of a rules discussion, what exactly is a 'partner'?

    • @nbt3663
      @nbt3663 Год назад

      @@kyle381000 partner was just to reference the other player playing with him in context of the rules book.

  • @tedskala
    @tedskala 3 года назад +3

    "If the player sets a ball down without intending it to be in play," I think this phrase means, you can just set the ball on the ground somewhere, if you need your hands for something else, and then go about the progress of placing the ball on the spot where it first struck a portion of the course. That is not what he did here; He let go of it, while intending to put the ball in play, and then he decided to grab it again, and moved it a tiny bit to the left, even though it didn't appear to roll of the spot where he was required to replace it. He didn't rotate it either (which he would do to change the orientation of the line on the ball).
    That part was puzzling, but what really aggravates me is that the official just took his word that his intended line went over the sprinkler head, which was a lie. And these officials are cowards who just acquiesce immediately, especially if they know they are talking to someone who has a history of arguing with officials like Bryson.
    I think if he had holed that put, people would be talking about this A LOT more, because he told the official the I.O. was in his line of play, and that wasn't true.

    • @bantoniplakantry9138
      @bantoniplakantry9138 3 года назад

      He's certainly pushed the limit of the rules, and I think passed that limit. Golf rules should be about being fair and not taking an unfair advantage. He seems to be generating an advantage here that isn't deserved. If the sprinkler head wasn't there, he would have been putting a couple of feet through the fringe, and he would have to play the ball as it lies, without being able to line his ball up. But as it turned out, he got to play from a couple of inches of the green and got to place the ball in a good spot and line it up. That isn't fair. If it was just about the sprinkler head, he should have just been able to take a putt from similar conditions and a similar position where the sprinkler head wasn't in his way.

    • @bantoniplakantry9138
      @bantoniplakantry9138 3 года назад

      Maybe the rule should be changed to "relief within one club length, not nearer the hole and not nearer the green".

    • @petermcgill1315
      @petermcgill1315 3 года назад +3

      @@bantoniplakantry9138 well, he used the rules. A lot of people seem to think the rules are only there for the penalties. They can be your friend.

    • @petermcgill1315
      @petermcgill1315 3 года назад +2

      @@bantoniplakantry9138 I’m sure ‘not nearer the hole’ is already there. The length of cut on the grass rarely gets a mention.

    • @evanjohnson5657
      @evanjohnson5657 3 года назад +1

      tough for an official to tell a tour player where his intended line should be, he is the one playing the shot. While i agree that it seems suspicious; a lot of golfs rules are about integrity and players governing themselves, unfortunately it is taken advantage of from time to time with different degrees of severity in my opinion

  • @froodogga7053
    @froodogga7053 3 года назад +1

    who cares...he makes the up n down whether he moves it or plays it where it was...

  • @swisstrader
    @swisstrader 3 года назад +2

    Another completely stupid and convoluted golf rule that announcers, player and tour officials are all confused about.

  • @sameralsharif7512
    @sameralsharif7512 3 года назад

    I miss golf when Tiger was King!!

  • @jacksongatlin5418
    @jacksongatlin5418 3 года назад

    How is that not in his stance? The announcer is clearly not a fan but should not be so blatant

  • @ipotato95
    @ipotato95 3 года назад +2

    Beats Patrick reed moving his ball before even asking an official, at least Bryson will always check for a ruling before doing anything

  • @SurrealScotsman
    @SurrealScotsman 3 года назад +1

    I think I'd like Bryson a lot more if his chin wasn't always so sweaty?

  • @randallgablehouse1007
    @randallgablehouse1007 3 года назад

    Us open pickleball

  • @andy-dt7to
    @andy-dt7to 3 года назад

    these rules are utterly stupid.
    while there needs to be rules so things like sprinkler heads don't cause unnecessary issues, and where they do you are not disadvantaged, it is strange that if you do have a sprinkler that barely is an issue you end up with an ADVANTAGE over another player who is not near a sprinkler. allowing such choice is where to drop, a very generous area, lining up the ball, placing it.. its madness. for me, unless the ball is on the sprinkler head or in the depression of it then you play as you find it.

  • @xxx-ln9gv
    @xxx-ln9gv 3 года назад

    F the commentators. A bunch of jealous busters. Do your thing B!

  • @mcooley88
    @mcooley88 3 года назад

    One of the most ridiculous rulings I have ever seen. Ball should of been played as it lies. Absolutely mental.

  • @ebttt
    @ebttt 2 года назад

    It's the rule of golf not your opinion

  • @djelliott4524
    @djelliott4524 3 года назад

    I wanted to watch but Maltbie’s voice is noise pollution

  • @nikitakucherov5028
    @nikitakucherov5028 3 года назад

    Sports are all about getting every inch of advantage that are just inside the rules, that’s why its called a competition, quit whining!

    • @bmil38
      @bmil38 3 года назад

      Honestly. Look at soccer lmao. People are acting like he's straight up cheating even though he got a ruling saying he could move it...

  • @martinjordan3588
    @martinjordan3588 3 года назад +2

    The rule that he can place the ball in any orientation doesn’t feel right. He gained an advantage by being able to line it up.

    • @austi16
      @austi16 3 года назад +1

      2 drops that go closer = place it However without pushing down on the ball

    • @tivone13
      @tivone13 3 года назад +2

      Not really, I line mine up every time and still don’t make em😂. You still gotta read it right

    • @cobra7282
      @cobra7282 3 года назад +1

      I mean he lined it up before he even read the green. If anything lining up probably hurt him here because the line may not have been perfectly pointing in the direction he needed to start the putt.

    • @tivone13
      @tivone13 3 года назад

      No advantage, just a Habit he has. Still got a read it right, get speed right. Yer just a a hater and HACKER🙄😂

  • @lakedog3616
    @lakedog3616 3 года назад

    If Bryson cared about rules he wouldn’t be juicing the HGH.

    • @JMEAUS22
      @JMEAUS22 3 года назад

      He put on 40 pounds in 18 months. Thats not hgh.

    • @lakedog3616
      @lakedog3616 3 года назад

      @@JMEAUS22 Not if you are a 6’5 football player. He’s 6’1 , but the main thing is , his cranium size has gotten noticeably larger . When people gain a lot of weight there head always appears smaller UNLESS ( just like Barry Bonds) they are juicing the HGH , in which case your cranium grows also . It’s the talk on the tour but unless his supplier leaks the info , nothing will be done about because he creates buzz and is good for golf .

    • @JMEAUS22
      @JMEAUS22 3 года назад

      @@lakedog3616 I'll end it now then. He takes medically & tour approved testosterone.
      PGA also tests every round a golfer plays, they pee in a cup after putting scorecard in & they randomly do blood tests at every event as well.
      I've seen people have put on 25 in a month. Its not unusual to be able to do what he did, its just unusual for a golfer.
      As much as people want the controversy, there simply isn't any.

    • @lakedog3616
      @lakedog3616 3 года назад

      @@JMEAUS22 Sure thing , lol . Believe what you want but I disagree.

  • @winsyong
    @winsyong 3 года назад +2

    What a waste of time by this player cos he still ended up taking 2 more strokes to get in the hole. Appreciate your videos though, the application of golf rules in actual situations can be mind boggling more often than expected.

    • @Natedoc808
      @Natedoc808 3 года назад

      It’s not a waste of time when a putt is worth millions

  • @orion7741
    @orion7741 3 года назад

    That's just stupid..... you are a top level pro player, just play the ball as it lies. There was absolutely nothing preventing from making the shot....

  • @gregoryh4601
    @gregoryh4601 3 года назад

    The Biggest muscle Baby on the PGA Tour. Remember the Golf God are watching you Baby.

  • @NoelKerns
    @NoelKerns 3 года назад +1

    I can't stand watching that dude play golf. it's like if you built a stiff, humanoid golfing machine...so mechanical, no fluidity to his game whatsoever.

    • @williamhrivnak7345
      @williamhrivnak7345 3 года назад

      He was probably meant to be a scientist or a lawyer but just happened to be good at golf and went with it

    • @NoelKerns
      @NoelKerns 3 года назад

      @@jerryinsc - Exactly what does that have to do with anything? I simply said I can't stand watching him play golf because he looks so stiff in his swing. Whether I can beat him is utterly irrelevant to the topic.

    • @NoelKerns
      @NoelKerns 3 года назад

      @@jerryinsc - OK, so if you're asking "could I do better", then I will assume you were asking that question relevant to the specific complaint I made about his game, specifically, that his swing looks like a robot. So in that vein, the answer to your question would be that, back in the day when I was somewhere even close to his age, then YES|, as a low-single-digit handicapper, I COULD do better with regard to having a swing that looked more fluid and natural than DeChambeau's. I actually had a pretty good-looking swing in my day.
      That said, whether or not I "could do better" myself or not is still completely irrelevant, but hey, you just had to know, so there's your answer.
      Enjoy...have a nice day and move along now!

    • @billyd78
      @billyd78 3 года назад

      I don't like his game and I don't think his approach will hold up as he gets older.

    • @NoelKerns
      @NoelKerns 3 года назад +1

      @@billyd78 - Yeah, kinda hard to say, huh? On the one hand, he's already playing with relatively stiff form, and as he ages and what limberness he has decreases, perhaps his current game/swing might be better suited to transitioning to getting older. On the other hand, maybe it just goes away entirely.
      Personal opinion: I don't think he lasts very long as a factor on the PGA Tour. In five years it'll be, "Whatever happened to Bryson DeChambeau?"

  • @williammacdonald9271
    @williammacdonald9271 3 года назад

    Wow, if this was requested by my opponent? Hell no.

  • @a1ar127
    @a1ar127 3 года назад

    Another freebie for the SUPERSTAR. Can't make it hard for the Big Guy. The officials are already intimidated by him. Just like Tiger's "moveable obstruction" of that boulder way back when

  • @documax123
    @documax123 3 года назад

    Penetrating explanation there at the end, on what the didn't let go bit was. And connection to reorientation. Phew.

    • @jordanbomb32
      @jordanbomb32 3 года назад

      I love being penetrated in the end like that. It's my favorite.

  • @skippyhandleman1625
    @skippyhandleman1625 3 года назад

    the honeymoon is over. I'm getting a little tired of Bryson to be honest.

  • @ddd1hhh
    @ddd1hhh 3 года назад +1

    Too much going on in these videos. ...you have what’s going on on the screen, the commentators talking, and the banners that this channel puts on the videos. This person needs to pause, actually TALK, and then continue... 😊

    • @GolfRulesQuestions
      @GolfRulesQuestions  3 года назад

      We are forever working on the delivery of our videos to provide the best experience for the viewer, I appreciate your feedback.

    • @ddd1hhh
      @ddd1hhh 3 года назад

      @@GolfRulesQuestions you know it bruh! The subject matter a.k.a. your topic is awesome. It would just be super nice to have a voiceover or a pause with explanations so the viewer doesn’t have too much stimuli to process all at the same time... 😊

    • @GolfRulesQuestions
      @GolfRulesQuestions  3 года назад

      @@ddd1hhh I will definitely work on that and try that going forward.

    • @ddd1hhh
      @ddd1hhh 3 года назад +1

      @@GolfRulesQuestions I think it would make your channel even better. I’m kind of thinking Jomboy style if you’ve ever seen those videos... 😊. Thanks again bruh!

    • @GolfRulesQuestions
      @GolfRulesQuestions  3 года назад

      @@ddd1hhh Just watched, I will make the transition soon.

  • @stewarthopkins7494
    @stewarthopkins7494 3 года назад

    Hate this kind of BS... he knows it's not a free drop but tries (and gets it) to get it via the rules official.

  • @gaprofitt
    @gaprofitt 3 года назад +2

    It's simple, that's called "cheating".

  • @shanelockridge8580
    @shanelockridge8580 3 года назад +2

    He should have been throwed out of the tournament he moved the ball closer to the hole

    • @NWtoSFO
      @NWtoSFO 3 года назад +2

      Where did you see that? It’s closer to the fringe line, but still perpendicular to the hole. Wouldn’t you want to blame the official standing right there if that were the case?

  • @fatbench
    @fatbench 3 года назад +1

    So he cheated.

    • @sidmiller6164
      @sidmiller6164 3 года назад

      Them’s fightin words!

    • @BuckshotPA1
      @BuckshotPA1 3 года назад +1

      Ah, That would be a big fat NO!

    • @fatbench
      @fatbench 3 года назад

      @@BuckshotPA1 Ok, he lied about his intended line to a rules official to take relief that he wouldn't otherwise be entitled to under the rules. Call that whatever you want.

    • @Dooguk
      @Dooguk 3 года назад +1

      @@fatbench The ball was within 2 club lengths of the sprinkler head so he got relief under a local rule. It says so on the video at 1.21.
      Maybe you should check your facts before calling someone a liar.

    • @fatbench
      @fatbench 3 года назад

      @@Dooguk The first requirement of the local rule is actually written on the screen at the timestamp you gave. The immovable obstruction must be on the player's line of play. It wasn't-that's why when he actually putted he aimed almost 90 degrees to the right of what he claimed was his line of play when asking the rules official for relief.

  • @skylergarner6053
    @skylergarner6053 3 года назад +4

    Whatever he did, the pga rules official said ok so end of discussion.