What could be so bad on this '16 Hyundai Sonata that the CAR WIZARD is sending it to the junk yard?
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2023
- The are times when the CAR WIZARD 🧙♂️ has to give horrible news to his customers. This is one of those cases where this 2016 Hyundai Sonata is destined for the junk yard. What could possibly be so wrong with it???
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People say, they dont have time to check the oil and water in the car, but they have a lot of time for Facebook and Instagram. Its a strange world now a days.
Haha, so true. Imagine a car maintenance system that wouldn't let you get on social media until you checked the fluids
My favorite is the ppl who buy new or almost new cars that cost big money then scoff at the Idea of paying for oil changes and run that shit 20k every time.
Nice cars with bald tires get me too.
A good percentage of modern cars don't even require you to open the hood to check the oil level and people still don't do it.
@@spicysnowman8886 Modern cars want you to destroy it and buy another one.
@@bsgarey in my car you can literally see an oil level readout in the gauge cluster, there's no excuse for not checking it at that point.
My wife and I bought a 2016 Hyundai Sonata for our youngest daughter, who's in college. After driving the car just over 6 weeks, the engine locked up and put my daughter down on the highway. The oil had been changed 3489 miles previously. We had the car towed to the dealership, and after diagnosing the issue a week later, they said the engine had seized up. The car had 131,410 miles on it and before that happened, the car ran perfectly. It didn't smoke or leak any oil. So they submitted a claim to have the engine replaced, but Hyundai denied the claim. The reason they gave was because we hadn't had the KSDS software update performed, which is included in the 953 recall campaign. Honestly, at that particular time, We were unaware of any such recall or software update, and Hyundai hadn't sent us anything recommending we have it done. Had I known the significance of it, I would've made sure to have it done! After all, recalls and such are free! So the car sat at the dealership for a long time while we tried to figure which route to take. They wanted to replace the engine for $7k+, which I thought was ridiculous, since we had paid only $7k for the car to begin with. So I decided to call Hyundai's claim line and try and plead my case, hoping for some sort of sympathy or monetary relief. Once I got someone on the line and pleaded my case, the person on the phone asked me for my VIN. She then asked me why did they deny the claim and I told her it was due to not having the KSDS update. She said "Sir, your car had the update performed on Feb 9th, 2022"; your claim shouldn't have been denied. So she assigned me a case number and said someone will call me in about 3 days to further my situation. In the mean time the dealership called me and said I needed to come get the vehicle due to them running out of room for other customers. I then told them what the lady said about the update and they told me they would go double check the VIN and call me back. They called me later that day and said someone had indeed "fat- fingered" the VIN, which still pulled up a blue 2016 Hyundai Sonata that hadn't had the update performed. The service manager said they would have to resubmit the claim and call me back. The next day they called and said the claim was approved and that they were extremely sorry for the 3 month long mix up, and that they would place our vehicle at the top of the list once the new parts arrived. This mad my wife and I extremely happy because our daughter really needed her car to get back and forth to class. She lives off campus... So if you know anyone who owns a Kia or Hyundai, make sure you advise them to take their vehicle in and have the update done, if they haven't already. Because that and low oil upon arrival, is an easy out for them and they'll surely deny your claim.
Hyundai is trash
This just makes me want to stay away from Kia and Hyundai all together. I’ve heard so many nightmare experiences from Hyundai dealerships.
As they should if maintenance wasn't done. Look at it this way. You got a few more miles then most people who neglect them.
I'd drop the pan, lremove the rod caps, emery the journals throw in rod bearings .if the knock is gone I'm good to go. I'll even do the job in a dirt lot under a shade tree. Good thing I've always done my own mechanical work.
"What I did over my summer vacation" would have been shorter
Have a 2015 sonata with the 2.4l engine. With meticulous maintenance. At just 116k miles the engine randomly started misfiring and the check engine light came on while driving down the highway. After limping it home I got the car scanned and it showed a misfire in the 3rd cylinder. After attempting small fixes like spark plugs and plug wires I decided to take it to Long Hyundai, this was my second mistake aside from buying a junk Hyundai in the first place. I stopped taking our car there for oil changes initially because I found an oil filter I had changed the last time still on the car after I paid them for an oil and filter change. With the car at Long, Chris from service stated it had no compression in the 3rd cylinder and it needed head work ($5300), but was pushed to do an engine replacement which was quoted to me at $7-8k, that I would be responsible for. After trying and getting no real diagnosis on the actual problem and a very difficult time trying to communicate with the service department, I picked the car up and coughed up the $200 “diagnostic” fee for nothing. Once I picked up the car I finally got the service report and the diagnosis was “blown head gasket.” I did not have a single symptom of a blown head gasket- no coolant in the oil, no overheating, no smoke out of the exhaust, coolant was clean in the over flow tank with no bubbling.
I immediately drove to S&S Auto for a second opinion and they quickly found metal material in my oil and no symptoms of a head gasket issue. Long either completely missed this or did not want to tell me. I personally saw the shavings in the oil when I picked it up from S&S. They advised me about the warranty campaign Hyundai has on the 2.4liter engines and they didn’t charge me anything for the diagnostics. After doing my own research I decided to take it back to a dealership to have them handle the situation. I called the service director-John- at Long Hyundai to explain the situation and told him I was taking the car to a different Hyundai service center to reassess. He did not care that I was taking it to another dealership after Long has misdiagnosed the issue. John just told me, “Well let me know what they find.” (Tried getting a hold of him multiple times since and have never gotten a call back)
After moving the car to a third shop, this time Mnt View Hyundai, which is about an hour from my house, I talked to Brian about what was going on and he stated they have been cleaning up a lot of issues from Long. After he had the car for a couple of days he stated he had found the metal shavings in the oil and that the car was misfiring and it should be taken care of under Hyundai’s warranty campaign 953 for excessive bearing wear on the crank. He went back and forth with Hyundai Motors America and I had to give them all my receipts for the oil changes I had done and they stated that my issue was not covered under warranty since my engine wasn’t knocking or locked up yet (basically because it hadn’t left me stranded on the side of the road), but that they would cover 85% of the replaced engine. After fighting for another week and hours on the phone with Hyundai’s warranty departments and Hyundai customer care with no resolve, I had agreed to cover the 15% that Hyundai wouldn’t cover. I was still mad they wouldn’t cover 100% from their own warranty, but it was better knowing Long was going to charge me $7-8k. Brian helped me get a rental car covered from Hyundai since some of the items were on back order. I was very grateful for that since I hadn’t had the car for two weeks at this point.
A couple weeks later Brian called me and stated the car should be ready in a day or two and suggested random replacements, like air filters and brakes (all I take care of myself and have receipts on the last time I changed them) I picked up the car and paid my 15% of the cost which ended up being $828. I told him I wanted a test drive, no offense to him or the dealership, but I can’t trust anyone. Upon entering the vehicle I noticed the abs light and traction light on and the blind spot detection wasn’t working. I took it for a drive and went back and talked to Brian about that, stating there was no issue with this when I brought it. He had a tech sheet stating they ran the code when they got the car and it was on. I asked why it was never brought up to me while the car was in his shop for almost 3 weeks. He stated the tech ran some tests and stated it was operating properly and didn’t want to sell me a part I didn’t need. I stated having the abs and traction light on could be dangerous and could malfunction and he stated “it won’t lock up” and “it’s fine”. However, he did offer to fix the issue for free labor and I pay for the part, which was $360. I told him I wasn’t giving Hyundai any more money and drove my car home with all three of those lights on my dash. I am glad the car has a new engine and Brian did help me out with a lot of things, but there are still issues that should have been taken care of that just weren’t. The last month with the car and dealing with all of Hyundai has been beyond frustrating and I now have a car I don’t trust or feel safe in. They have definitely lost me and my family as customers and I hope anyone reading this will think twice before buying anything made by Hyundai.
My niece had a Volkswagen rabbit convertible back in the early 90's that she completely ran dry of oil till the engine locked up. When I told her what was wrong with her car she said " Well i'll never buy another Volkswagen again!" I told her that the same thing would have happened if she had a Mercedes or a BMW. It's a vehicle, not a purse. It needs to be maintained!
wtf.....
That's how stereotypes stay alive.
A friends son-in-law bought a brand new Dodge with a 100% pre paid service plan. He drove it for a few years without ever getting it serviced or even checking the oil.
I have a very similar story. A couple I knew had a diesel Mazda 6. It had snowed and they needed to go to work. But instead of digging the car out of the snow, they decided to just sit in the car and redline the engine in first gear with the wheels spinning, trying to get out of the snow. Needless to say that tactic didn't work and it just broke the car. They took it to a local garage and the mechanic spent weeks trying to figure it out. Ended up tearing down the engine to find they'd put so much torque back through the engine that they had bent the camshaft. The mechanic hadn't even thought that was possible.
Of course the punchline is that they said they'd never buy another Mazda again due to it being unreliable...
As an aside, the same guy from the couple once tried to force me to put boiling water on my windscreen to melt ice. I kept politely declining his offer until I just had to walk away...
Preach 💯💪🏼
When you're taking your drivers licence in Sweden there's a "garage lesson" where you learn to check the fluids (oil, brake, washer, coolant) and other essentials.
That's a really good idea, I have a lot more respect for the Swedes when you refused to lockdown! Also SAY NO to the 15 min cities!
Man the US has really gotta stop paying for yalls defense budget 🤣
@@nathanielbailey108 Well, seeing that you haven't spent a cent to the Swedish defence budget yet just go ahead.
@@darkiee69 if we weren't so damn caught up in being the world's police, other countries would probably be inclined to put more towards defense. We bolster our allies defenses simply by being allied, but it's the American tax payers who pay for it.
@@spicysnowman8886 Please read a bit on Swedish defense industry, they're doing nice things with the Swedish tax payers money. But on another note, yeah, I think Finnish drivers license also gives the basics on maintenance, I drive a Swedish car so I need not worry.
Hyundai has been replacing those engines under warranty like crazy. Even for people who did maintain them according to the factory service manual
yeah my 2011 kia optima get an issue with the recall twice. I got both sides of the main recall, total engine lock up the first time, replaced the engine under recall. Had it for 14 months, then it went into limp mode (that's the second side of the recall tree, valve problem) said it was past 12 months 12000 miles to replace under recall agian. Sold it for $500 to junkers. Everytime I see somone with a kia or hyundia with the same engine I urge them to sell it for 5-7 grand now and avoid losing the potential value.
My sister bought her Hyundai brand new and maintained it like it was a show car. At 40,000 miles, the engine was knocking like this.
Yep. My mother has the exact same car. I always did her oil changes and once every two weeks checked the oil. It would usually burn 2 qts a month and she only drives 2-3 days a week. Maybe 500 miles a month. Made sure it had oil in it when she took it to Hyundai and they rebuilt the engine in a week. That was about 2 months ago. Runs like a dream now. Burnt about half a quart since but the oil still looks new.
Their port injected engines from the 2000s were super solid, I could recommend most any decently maintained elantra/sonata or azera from that era as a rock solid starter car for anyone. Heck my cheap engineer dad wrung over 400k out of his 2004 Elantra with just maintenance before finally getting a new car in 2016.; However ever since Hyundai went direct injected, they've had a multitude of problems with their engines. Most of all the turbo 4's, so back to Toyota my recommendations go.
@@anasevi9456 Their build quality is garbage even if the engine is solid. My friend had both front door handles break, and then both front window regulators jammed, and the ac compressor is making terrible sounds as well. I'd avoid Hyundai personally, it's not even that much more to get a Honda or Toyota.
Funnily enough, I bought a 2013 Sonata with the original 2.4l engine (bad market at the time) for $3000 a few years back. It miraculously had 210k miles. I kept it for another 10k miles and sold it. The previous owners secret was that he kept up with oil changes and topped off when needed. He also drove the hell out of it. It didn't even burn oil! To this day i wonder if I had a unicorn on my hands lol.
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I had a 2013 sonata i got with 9k miles on it. Previous owner and I were both religious about oil changes. Engine seized on the highway at like 55k.
I have same one, 130k+ miles, drive across the country a few times but no oil burn.
The thing is my wife brought it for $12k at 120k miles😅extremely bad market
@@lqtmn yours are proly tamper with ODO
I bought a 1992 VW Golf for $100, that was in pretty much the exact same shape, except the oil pressure light (and buzzer) was on. Dropped the pan, and the “oil” was nothing but sludge. The oil pump pick up screen was covered in a solid “mud cake.”
Cleaned the pickup, shoveled out the pan, and reinstalled. Filled the engine with 2 quarts of “Motor Flush” and two quarts of cheap 5W-30. Let it idle for 10 mins, then proceeded to steadily increase throttle until it was near 4K rpm. Expecting it to either “grenade” at any moment, or clear the blockages. Miraculously, it suddenly cleared, and the oil light/buzzer went off.
Dropped the pan, dumped all the new gunk/sludge, and recleaned the oil pick up.
Plasti-gauged and replaced one horribly torched rod bearing, and filled it back up with 4 quarts of Mobil 1 10W-30.
Proceeded to deliver Dominos pizza in that car for the next two years. It ran just fine, and sounded relatively normal in the winter. In the heat of the summer months, though, someone once asked me if it was a diesel. 😂
So, sometimes “dead” doesn’t always mean it MUST be buried. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
You mentioned the salvage yard, as that Hyundai’s likely destination. And halfway through the video I was thinking salvage yard. Not for drop off, but for pick up, of a used engine out of a wrecked donor car.
Aside from that option, you could have also purchased it from the customer for a song, and started parting it out on eBay with “local pick up only” for all the parts. No hassle in dealing with shipping, and you’d make a ton of $.
Thanks for reading my novel. Have a nice day everyone!
I tried that with my lemon. Previous owner never changed oil regularly. Good luck with that. Ended up selling it for scrap.
Last summer while at the lake, I spotted my 95 year old neighbour with the hood of her vehicle up and she was checking the fluids in prep for a 150 mile trip she would be making the next day. I had a good chat and let her know that over 90% of drivers today either don’t know or don’t care about the importance of what she was doing. How did we lose these important life skills?
We've been convinced that we don't have to put up with the inconvenience of basic maintenance on a car. Witness the "lifetime" transmissions on some cars. One trip to the shop for a few hours is too much for people. And anyone, I don't care who you are, if you have a driver's license, there is no excuse for not being able to check the oil. Pull the damn dipstick. And check it every time you drive away from a shop, because mistakes do happen.
- because some people don't appreciate it as 'I don't have time to check those things' and literally assume it will always work.
Almost all brands have better reliability now than before. Electronic ignitions and fuel injection did away with tune ups entirely. 100+ years of building ICE has taught the manufacturers how it's done. That is until they cut too many corners as evidenced here.
@@zburnhamor just buy a car that DOESN’T burn oil.
@@Mabeylater293 Are u on crack?
From first-hand experience, the oil consumption on these 2.4L Hyundai engines is greater than usual. You'll run through a FEW quarts between oil changes, so you have to be really on top of the levels. You won't get a low level or low pressure warning, either.
That's the real problem why is there no oil light. When it is 2 quartz low
Hyundai considers 1 quart per 1200 miles normal for the 2.4l engine
@tomtomorange 100%. It's ridiculous that you don't get some kind of warning. A lot of drivers with that 2.4L may be running substantially low without warning. And this engine already has an extended warranty for knocking due to a defective bearing. The mfgr./dealer will take any excuse not to replace your engine under this program, and low oil is definitely on the list of excuses.
@@user-ci6ez9lk1lHow many quarts of oil are expected by Hyundai for the 2.0L Turbo?
We bought a 2016 sonata for our daughter and let me tell you, is been a nightmare for me checking the oil level every three or four days, now is smoking more that usual, that's the greatest garbage from Hyundai, I will stay away from them forever
I think a lot of this is happening because people don't know how to properly take care of their vehicle. Dealerships and oil change shops charge a pretty penny to change oil, when they could change their own oil for 1/3 of the price if they learn how to do it themselves. Takes less time than waiting on dealerships or oil change shops and they can change their oil at their own convenience. My grandpa told me when I was a kid "take care of your things and they will take care of you." That quote is especially true for vehicles. Learn basic vehicle maintenance (oil change, filter replacement, plugs and wire replacement), because it can save a lot of time and money.
Dead wrong. The 2.4L engine in Kia and Hyundais are junk, doesn't matter what you do.
Sad part is if they checked the oil and topped it up right before taking it to the dealer for the recall, the outcome might have been totally different. It's no secret that dealers will look for any way to avoid a warranty claim, so in addition to keeping up with my periodic under-hood checks, I also always give my cars a once over, and clean them, before taking them to the dealer for service.
Great advice
I agree, mechanics notice whether someone takes care of their vehicle, not only does that cause them to pay attention, but take extra care in their service.
Nobody wants to work on a filthy cluttered mess.
Great point! My daughters ask why I always check our cars over, empty the junk out and fill the tank before bringing them in for service. I believe strongly that if the shop sees that I the customer takes good care of the vehicle, they may be more respectful of it as well 😄
They would have required them to show maintenance receipts
@@Tool0GT92 You don't need to provide maintenance receipts for adding oil.
story time - my lady neighbour, leaving in the same street, around 30 y.o, single, drives a small KIA which she bought few years back used. As a guy and a good neighbour, seeing her struggling from time with teh car (dead battery or seized brakes) I offered her some car maintenance on her little car - like literally every few months. She always denied any help. A single strong lady, you know, as she likes to be seen LOL. One day she calls me asking for help with the car. That's new - I thought - and it's probably already worse than I even can imagine. It turned out the car wants to crank, but won't start. Battery, fuses, fuel, fuel pump, sparkplugs, filters, starter.. checked all of this - obviously everything neglected and air filter as dirty as a mud-rag. Oil level was the last I checked. Dipstick dry. When I asked her when she did the last oil-change she just made big eyes saying "what?" . When I started to explain that probably the engine might be even seized or something, she started to get upset and eventually started to cry. Long story short - her small kia got scrapped few days later after a pofessional mechanic - not just some random neighbour like myself LOL - told her - not for free - how much it will cost her to get the car back on road.
She got a next car - I don't offer her any help with it anymore. It's pointless in some cases. Some people will never understand that machines need maintenance. They would want everything to be easy and fun.
Simp
Pride is one hell of a thing
put a prius c drivetrain in there. mine used 1/2qt oil in 30,000 miles, and that's after i bought it at 180,000 miles
she probably thought you were hitting on her even though you were just being nice
@@alvarorangel5513 LOL - never thougt about this before, might have been truth though
I had this happen to my 2015 Kia Soul, luckily I did take it to my dealer for oil changes as per manufacturer instructions, and after dropping it off at dealership service department they finally replaced part of the engine as I did take it in for the recall! Since the dealership took 5 months to finally honor the warranty, I already bought a Honda to replace it. Sold that Kia a month after I got it back
GOOD Job!
How long did it take them to do the diagnostic? After a month they're supposed to offer you a free loaner car for you to drive while the car awaits the diagnostic. It took my Hyundai dealership three months to do my diagnostic but they loaned me a car for free after the first month.
I hope you didn't buy a Honda with the 1.5t engine. Those have issues with dumping gas into the oil and blowing the head gasket prematurely. Hondas in general have been having problems with AC systems failing annually as well. Probably should have bought another Hyundai for the much better warranty.
I've been fighting with Kia for over a year with a transmission issue under warranty. I have a claim number with corporate. So far 2 trannys, a ECM, lots of adjustments and hocus pocus and it STILL has the same problem. Corporate refuses to return my 5 ( so far) phone calls. REALLY disappointed with a company that by all appearances was one of the better ones. Hey, at least I get a loaner car while they play with it !
@@johnschofield9496 Can't you Lemon Law the car and force them to buy it back after multiple repair attempts?
I owned a 2016 Sonata with this same Theta II (2.4L 4 cyl) and had the dealership handle all the maintenance, and every oil change was documented. Started having oil consumption issues around 120K miles, anf had the motor replaced at 137K.
All was well...until the transmission died at 191K.
Wow I was one of the lucky ones...
I have a '16 Hyundai Sonata where this exact thing happened. Keep in mind that I have always serviced my vehicle at the dealer, including all oil changes. Here's how it went down:
I went for an oil change, and on my way back home, the engine lost basically all its oil, and I was leaving a trail of oil on the highway. I had to immediately pull over because it felt like the engine was about to blow. Ended up calling a tow truck. I then called the dealership and told them what just happened, given that my car had literally left their shop less than 30 minutes before it happened. With this being the case, and my maintenance history with them, they replaced my engine free of charge, and now I also have lifetime warranty on the new engine they put in.
After the engine was replaced, they mentioned a lot of the same issues... flakes in the oil and cylinders, knocking, etc. I'm glad I was able to escape such a scenario as what this customer is going through.
Yeah, dealers,,, can they be trusted? Maybe they put a cork in the drain plug, Hyundai pays for the engine and the labor, and the dealer makes out.
yeah paying for the oil changes can get you a free engine in there's a recall on that engine for being bad if it's a junk engine maintaining it is still worth it incase of recalls
@raven4k998 I have a 2019 sonata with this engine that my wife drives. Every maintenance has been at the dealer for this exact reason.
Wow you got lucky. Hyundai's and kias are junk. Thank God they took care of you 🙏
It's because its a flawed design from the start as Scotty Kilmer said.
Avoid Hyundai + Kia.
They'd like to be considered in the same realm as Toyota and Honda, and while there's 'value' for the short term, there isn't long term reliability.
You pay for what you get.
Car wizard is a genuinely nice person. He seems so down to earth and kind, which is a rarity these days.
He's a hack. He was building the entire video to try to pin this mess on Hyundai when it the end it was his customer who's basically braindead.
Agree, his sympathy for the car owner was clear.
@@AI-qd4vb What? That didn't happen at all.
@@AI-qd4vb did you even bother to watch the video before commenting? 3 minutes into the video and he calls the customer out for lack of maintenance.
I concur.
2015 Sonata that we got my daughter had the same issue. The engine is notorious for burning oil. Thankfully the dealership we bought it from had a free engine/drivetrain for life policy and replaced it for free.
But if they don't fix the problem in the new engine, it would need replacing again. Even when it's free, it's always a hassle to go to the dealership for the same thing, over and over and over. Still a waste of time and effort.
Thank You Mr & Mrs Wizard, I just repaired a minor turn signal, and I will go and check my oil! 2006 Hundia Elantra, I deliver flowers with it, just turned over 90,000 miles. For my last oil change, they replaced the oil drain plug with an oversized plug. As my mechanic stated these oil pans were aluminum. The idea was to decrease the weight of the engine. So every oil change, I will just cross my fingers, you convinced me not to let this go!
I do like your inspections of the vehicles both inside and out!
Thank You!
It is a weird world we live in when it's cheaper to throw something away then it is to repair it. The amount of Natural Resources being wasted is insane!! Love your videos cheers from Atlantic Canada👍😎🇨🇦
Yes and especially in a time when society is supposed to reduce landfills we seem to be practicing a more of a throw away society
This is part of the reason I'm keeping my old car as long as possible. Also because new cars do dumb things like the known piston ring blow-by issues with this GDI engine, and they nearly require a second mortgage to buy them. I've put $1,400ish into my car this year so far. Still way better off financially -- and environmentally -- than buying a new car.
It's a consumer driven society. When Apple sells a new iphone every year with miniscule improvements over the previous model, what do you expect? And electronics recycling is mythical at best.
These companies don't care about the environment.
And apple is just ONE company. Everybody uses plastic these days, but plastic is terrible!
@@modoc852 Your virtue signalling still makes no sense.
How do you even know that and why do you even care?
Note to self always make sure to top off fluid levels before issuing a car to a dealer for possible recall issues
It used to be you wouldn't have to worry about excessive oil consumption in older cars unless the miles were high. But oil viscosity is much lower than before, which makes them more vulnerable to this issue.
hyundai make one of the worst engine in the world.
they used to OEM Mitsubishi engines those were solid.
as soon as hyundai made own engines, they all fail around 40k-70k.
that doesn't work, the dealer is smart enough you just added new oil
@@kuyre2239 The 2.4 Liter 4 cylinder that Sonata has is a shared engine with Chrysler, Kia and Mitsubishi. It's called the "world engine" for a reason.
@@BartStar009 get some used oil from a repair shop..they should be thrilled to get rid of it...then, they can't tell you just added fresh oil...
It's hard to feel sorry for that person if they aren't going to do the maintenance. Not checking your oil can be a very expensive habit, but in the end, it's on that person.
I for one am RABID about oil changes; high mileage or no, when I sold my ‘12 Nissan Sentra, the new owner got a real peach! 🍑
I have a 2013 Elantra with 91k miles and it doesn't burn oil.
@@madcapper6 My daily is a 96 Silverado with almost 400,000 miles on it. It doesn't burn anything.
@@sfritts Yeah likely not the issue going on here. Probably went dry unexpectedly stupid quick
I've been saying for years Kia Hyundai use poor cheap wire harnesses which turn into electrical problems on the vehicles & now fires, I had a 16 Sorento what a nightmare almost everything broke electrical issues up the a** battery continually dying, moon roof wouldn't close just a disaster, they entice with the designs of the car but reliability eventually catches up to you... I remember Hyundai back in the 80s Pony Stellar were also disasters.
I suggest you check with another dealership to see if they'll file warranty for you.
I had the same issue on a 2015 Sonata SE mode I bougth at 44k miles. I never serviced it at the dealership. Noticed that I had to keep adding oil and took it to the dealer at 125k miles. They did an oil change, asked me to take it to them every 1k miles to check the level. After the 3rd time they filed a warranty claim for me that day and it was replaced w/in a week. Oh, and no, it does not give you a low-engine oil warning when the car is burning oil. I only noticed b/c I checked it periodically but nothing ever showed up on the dash.
The issue I'm having now after about 2 yrs is that I took it 1yr ago for a software update and I think it caused a computer issue. 1 out of 5-10 times I start the car and start driving the car will not accellerate and revs up a lot, then it also feels like the transmission is not getting into gear. I then just pull over, turn off the car for 5-10 seconds, restart it and it drives perfect from then on.
Took it to the dealer but it didn't do the fault when they test drove it a couple of times. Any ideas what it could be? I think it might be software.
Did you find out what it was? My old Altima had that and it was the transmission
For a car like this, I'd put a used low mile engine in it, change the timing set to the updated components immediately. After that, keep up on maintenance, and it should be fine. No need to junk a decent car. As you said - Nobody changes the oil, or stops when the lights come on. That's the main issue, even with crappy cars. Some inherently burn oil bad, but Once a week when filling up, checking the fluids would help to save the bottom end until it's fixed.
"Crappy cars", perfect description of a Hyundai/Kia!
BS my Hyundai sotana always had oil did all the maintenance & that peace of shit broke down at 129k miles engines are trash
He didnt wanna fix it and gas lit the customer then made a whole video to gaslight all of us too. There's plenty of places selling reman 2.4L engines for $4500
@@ChrisConley1 So you are saying a remanfuctured engine could have saved only $1000 off the bill, when you factor in the cost of all the labor and other parts and tax, and you think that should have made him want to spend more fixing it than it was worth?
@jimbob3030 it's worth about $12000. Probably more with a new engine.
My oldest sister did this with the car our parents bought her. She never even checked the oil and ran it till it died. Her friends ended up putting a junk yard engine in it.
buddy of mine got a Hyundai suv check oil and change oil every 3 -5000 miles.
start burning OIL almost immediately. the engine lock up on highway almost killing him at 50k.
@@kuyre2239 I'd never buy a Hyundai, they have known bad engines. My oldest sister bought an Excel when Hyundai first came to the USA. When she let me drive it, I couldn't believe how bad it was.
Female drivers should be required to take a course on basic maintenance on a vehicle BEFORE they are issued a driver's license...
@@richardhoating23 Male drivers too buddy, you oughta see some of the excuses for young men out there these days.
nice casual sexism.
Many years ago I worked part time at a service station and back then we used to pump the petrol etc for the customer. When I asked a young woman who pulled up in a VW Beetle if she wanted the oil checked she replied that they didn't need oil. I informed her that it was air cooled and didn't need water but definitely needed oil!
Had a Kia for 10 years and my mechanic thanked me personally he said thanks to my car he managed to build a a second level on his house 😅
@@gree9963 damn
Not surprised.. females don't know a damn thing about cars!
@@gree9963 just to be clear, that was not a compliment.
You are an honest man and an honest business man. God bless you.
Just because a car is low on oil doesn't equate to lack of checking. It could be low due to many factors. I bought a car in Oregon. Checked fluids and drove it home. By the time I got it home it didn't register oil on the dipstick. Car drove perfectly fine! No warning lights. Nothing.. I was beyond impressed it survived without issues. I've since owned 14 of them. 98-2008 Crown Victoria's.
I’ve had engine for my 2011 Sonata replaced at 160k miles by the dealer for free due to high oil consumption (quarter per 300 miles). There is now a lifetime warranty for those engines by Hyundai because of all the lawsuits. If the dealership denies the warranty, please contact Hyundai customer service and also try another dealership. I have several friends who also replaced their 2.4s by warranty. There is a ton of info on Hyundai/Kia forum. I’d be happy to provide more details, your customer should not pay for the replacement of this engine. Good luck!
Dealer already saw the low oil.
Did the dealer do an oil consumption test?
I bet the dealer that the customer went to probably saw that they didn’t have any oil change records through them, so that gave them grounds to decline the service. But I would definitely go to another dealership and get Hyundai/Kia Corporate involved.
Yup. Going to need that info. Got a 2011 with the horrible 2.4ltr Theta 2 engine.
My 2012 Sonata had the engine replaced two years ago by the dealer here in Tampa absolutely free. The rod bearings completely failed and seized the engine. Hyundai should replace the engine.
When you said the grandmother bought the car for her granddaughter, I knew immediately she was not maintaining her car. Just hearing that, before you can see in the car already knew what the problem was. Lack of maintenance and I would expect to have very little oil in the car without even seeing the car. I've seen this so many times. People are just gas and go especially when they're given a car because they just don't take care of it. Either lack of knowledge about maintenance or just laziness
Good to hear that rebuild and aftermarket community has gotten behind this OEM in the same fashion the manufacturer does. Always nice to see them i working in synch
I’m so glad I stumbled upon this video! I appreciate that you took the time to advocate for this family. There are plenty of videos demonstrating these 2.4L engines are poor in design and likely to fail with many seized engines. Shame on Hyundai! I own both Hyundai & Kia I can assure they will be my last vehicles I will buy from them…even if they go strictly electric!
Oh wow! I’m looking for a used vehicle and there is one 2019 Kia 115,000 miles. Probably not a good idea then 😢
One thing you may have forgotten to mention is how many manufacturers are doing away with actual dipsticks. It makes it even more unlikely people will check the oil unless they get a warning light.
Because 90% of people don’t check the dipstick. If there’s no dipstick then there is a way to check level in infotainment screen. Sensors are designed to fail in “low oil” mode. I think it’s a great idea for your average person. Most engines have an aftermarket option for a dipstick tube. All comes down to basic maintenance
My winter car is an 2006 4runner and it feels and looks practically brand new. Toyota is conservative in implementing new features and pays close attention to components. It really pays off for the consumer. I expect to have it a long time.
The same thing with auto transmissions - Lifetime Fluid - which means 10 yrs. or 100,000 miles.
You can check the level on the screen if not manually. She’s obviously not changed the oil ever. Even if you don’t check it between services say yearly or 8k it wouldn’t use that much! It would’ve been smoking if it was burning oil. Her not maintaining it caused this. Was she never taught you have to service them?
@@martincassels7995 Her thinking was “if the car runs, I’m not gonna spend a cent on it.”
Makes it fun looking for a used car when people ruin them with their cheap-assery.
It’s a hard lesson to be learned but hopefully the granddaughter now understands the importance of maintenance.
Agreed, not trying to be unprofessional or mean to the owners, but while the motor in this car isnt the best, this was not the manufacturers fault. This was the irresponsible owner/drivers fault.
@@joeydeemendoza there is a current massive recall on Hyundai for faulty engines. There is even a live class action lawsuit. There's a real problem with Hyundai engine knocking. You just need to do a search on youtube for Hyundai engine knock and there are at least more than 30 videos in there.
It’s not really the daughters fault but the car. This engines burn 1 quart every 500miles 😂😂😂😂
Not very much about maintenance they are built very poor. I see vehicles with 40k miles and already consuming oil. Kia/hyndai engines are horrible, even if you replace your oil every month.
Their newer engines must be like this, I drive an i30 1.4 N/A (I think that s the Elantra in America) and I hit the redline everytime I drive it. Close to 100k miles, doesn't burn a drop of oil and it runs like new, though I change the oil every 5k miles or so. If it's true, it's really sad, the appeal for a Hyundai for me was their rock solid reliability...
I like the way you do business and not judge your customers. If I lived in the area I would definitely give you my business Mr Wizard. Carry on!
I just want to tell you you're a godsend to everybody that watches you you're an honest awesome individual and may God bless you and your family man you guys are awesome thank you so much for what you do for us people we need to learn and know this information that you're giving they don't understand how valuable it is what you're telling us they really don't thank you and have a great one guys
As a service writer at a Hyundai dealership alot of those 2.4s have an engine warranty extension. I bet if I ran the vin through our system I could see if it does. Also low oil is common because these motors burn oil like crazy
You should email car wizard of you can help
I own a 2016 Hyundai and it does burn about a half quart a week. I check the oil level every Saturday.
in oil consumptions ive seen them burn 4qts in 1000 pretty common
The dealer, and corporate, have already informed the customer that warranty / recall will not be honored on this car.
If owners don’t check the oil level at all, then this will happen sooner or later. It’s so easy to check a dipstick, or get someone else to check if you don’t know how.
Not to mention likely the worst thing about hyundai/Kia ownership is the dealerships are horrendous.
Hyundais and Kia’s are horrendous
To be fair every dealership is horrible... I don't buy Ford or Chevy but I for better for worse have driven a different brand car for each of my purchases and I would say Acura is one of the better experiences. But that being said a dealership is a dealership they always try to nickel and dime even Toyota dealerships..... Hyundai and Kia aren't great either but it helps if you're in an area that has at least two or three competing dealerships because then if there's more than one place you can buy the same brand car within a 30 mi radius they have less gumption to be dick heads
@@nathanielbailey108 Man you are dead RIGHT about that.
Even Genesis sucks. Had a G80 and was treated horribly…went back to Mercedes
In my area the Gm and Ford dealerships are better Would never buy or have my vehicle serviced at the dodge dealership. Which is unfortunate because I love Chrysler cars.
i had a similar problem but i skipped only one oil change. i checked it after and the dipstick was dry. i obviously added oil and took it to get an oil change as my dealer said they couldn’t have time for an appointment. I went through the process of them running tests and days without a car, all for them to say i need a 500 cleaning that would or wouldn’t fix it. I sold it for a decent price before i had to go through hyundais horrible excessive oil consumption tests. if you have a similar problem, sell it before the engine starts knocking or blows up.
The moral of the story is change the oil at 3000 miles and check the oil. I have a Kia Optima(same car)with the 2.4, it has 130,000 miles and doesn’t burn any oil. I do all my own maintenance and repairs, over 3 Kia’s/Haundi’s I’ve owned, we haven’t had any engine problems.
Love that huge scrape across windshield where they ran wipers with no blades😂
I'm still not sure if it's user error, or if theta engines are that bad
@@Radi0he4d1 what?
@@jciarkowski3109 I'm saying I'm not sure if people who scrape their windshields with wipers off can be trusted to change the oil, or if the engines such as the one used in this car are just bad ticking time bombs
That windshield looks like it is cracked. That's a relatively minor issue compared to that bad engine.
@@Radi0he4d1 They're actually that bad. They are known for seizing up and sometimes even catching fire, regardless of how well the oil was topped off. I always get a laugh when people say these are great cars as if they never heard of this issue before.
Pull this engine and send it to "I Do Cars" here on RUclips. His dissection of this engine would be interesting....
Great video!
Or speedkar99. He also tears down engines as well. The only problem is that he is in Canada.
He'll have a field day especially with his "check your oil" mantra 😉
Yesssss!
That's exactly who I was thinking about too
I had a Hyundai Elantra GT. I drove mostly on the interstate, performed normal maintenance and sold it with 140,000 miles on it. It still had the original brakes that did not need replacing!
This happened to me in September of 2022 with my 2015 Hyundai Tucson. I kept telling them years before hand that the engine was knocking. They kept saying they didn't see anything wrong with it. The car kept burning oil. I kept up the oil changes. My father is a mechanic. Paid the car off and then it left me on the side of the road.
Its so crazy how a car can look perfect fine on the outside but one internal problem can completely make it unusable
Kinda like humans 😂
because its Hyundai
That explains the many high mileage but clean looking cars on craigslist asking a fortune for what are really clapped out heaps about to die.
@@fffwe3876no numb nut, it’s because the owner neglected to maintain the engine.
The problem here was defective daughter.
@15:45 Wizard, you're truly a class act. Thanks for this. It's sad that people have to be reminded to be kind and have sympathy. I've always admired your attitude toward protecting your customers. It seems that you truly care about people, and it shows in your work.
Idk as a car enthusiast its hard to be empathetic to someone who wouldn't spare a minute to potentially save their car's engine. Now they get to go byy another car just for that.
@@brayannexon4613 idk man, I don’t think anyone deserves a 8-10k bill for not checking their oil or for mistakenly thinking “it’ll probably be fine” and getting hit it with the bill. It was clear even wizard was shocked that no one would rebuild it
@@saratc660 there is saying that goes:
Oil is cheap engines are not.
The gaint bill was avoidable. Yet the lack of effort has bit them in the rear.
@@saratc660 what do they deserve then? A reward for their stupidity? To have a car so poorly maintained it barely had any oil left deserves very little sympathy.
@@saratc660 Yeah anyone can rebuild an Ecoboom the 2.0 i4 turbo in the lower trim mustangs... And you could always just swap in a coyote the GT Mustangs's V8.
We used to be told to change the oil every 3,000 miles or 3 months. Then the manufacturers started upping those numbers to 5,000 to 7,500 miles. I think that encouraged people to forget about it. With all the bells and whistles new cars come with, you would think there would be a sensor which would tell the owner to change the oil and filter.
The sad thing about Hyundai is they not built to last my mom bought a 2011 brand new and ended up getting rid of it because of too many issues then she ended up getting a 2015 which only lasted her eight years then the motor crapped out It’s amazing that these cars are still being sold with all the problems they have.
Many years ago while working as a tech at a local Hyundai dealer I had a customer bring in a 2000's sonata. (Can't remember the year) anyways for the most part it was really clean with high mileage. Customer made a comment about an oil change so I figured this was gonna be easy. Well apparently at 90,000 miles or so, this was her time coming in for an oil change. I checked the dipstick and yup it was dry. I tried telling the service manager that we shouldn't touch the car, but I was ignored. Put the car in the air, removed the drain plug and it was pretty much chunks and metal shavings coming out with pitch black sludge that was remnants of oil. The service manager wanted me to perform 2 oil changes on that car in "hopes" it would fix it. That's not how oil changes work. I felt bad for the customer, but also annoyed that they brought this on themselves. And pissed at the stupidity of the service manager. I didn't stay long after that.
That is clear negligence on the owners part.
@@AJ-xm4xc agreed
Service manager sounds like scum. Anything to make money off the customer.
a lot of owners are just ignorant. They think all they have to do is put gas in when the gauge reads empty and that's it. "maintenance? what's that?"
some of Hyundai / KIA dealers are straight scammers.
My mother has the same car, with the same issues. I bought the 2010 Accord she chose this car over. 210k miles and it's mechanically perfect.
As a 44 year old... I was taught to do certain things with my vehicles. Check the oil was among them, not bashing but even when I was busy, at least once a month; usually two. I was also changed the distributor cap, distributor rotor (now both obsolete) change my own tires, change my fuel filter, change my oil and be able to fix minor problems.
Those days all seem long gone now; shame.
Thanks wizard for adding in not bashing them because some people either don’t know or they’re too busy well said my friend
My brother did that to a car back in the 90s. Locked up the engine in the middle of the intersection. He said he didn't know cars needed oil. Heared the same thing a few years ago from my girlfriend's little brother. People just don't know and it's a hard lesson.
I can understand women not knowing cars. But your brother and your girlfriend's brother? Men should know cars.
@@AbcAbc-sp1od I know someone’s gonna go snowflake and get offended but this is true. Men should know cars. It doesn’t have to be in-depth knowledge but at least basic knowledge like how to change a tire, when was the last oil change, brake pads etc.
Even the most uninterested person I knew towards cars still knew the basics of how a engine worked. Needs oil, needs gas, needs air.
@@AbcAbc-sp1od It’s not that they should know cars, it’s a responsibility for any car owner to know some basic things about how cars work. It’s more likely that growing up, they had no one in the family that was interested in maintaining cars, so in turn the rest of the offspring wouldn’t care either.
90s TOYOTA is more reliable today than new 2023 hyundai.
hyundai KIA engines are Almost always Junk.
@@Sodapopper100 I have a few friends that are school bus drivers. And as part of their training they are taught how to do a basic check up like checking the oil.
Hi Wizard, I had a 2017 Hyundai Elantra purchased new from the dealership. They offered $20 oil changes to their buyers, so I changed the oil religiously at the dealership. At 110,000 miles the engine went. Because of my stellar maintenance record, they supplied me with a new engine for free, despite that the 100,000-mile warranty had expired. I paid labor of maybe $2,000 and was glad to do so. The new engine lasted a year before it went. This time they offered to furnish a used engine with 40,000 miles, again with me paying the labor. I said okay.
But after waiting a month for the engine to come in, I went ahead and bought a Honda Civic. I needed to get to work each day, and renting a car indefinitely was like lighting money on fire. The Honda dealership (Honda of Westport, CT) sells all of its Hondas with a lifetime warranty on the complete drive train. Problem solved for good. I let Hyundai install the used engine and then I sold that car (with full disclosure). Never again will I buy a Hyundai.
That engine lasted a year because of that 20 dollar oil.
Yeah...$20 oil change was your first mistake. I can't help but think that Hyundai customers are part of the problem.
This guy got toasted by 2 people for taking advantage of dealer $20 oil change, enough already! Even if he/she did it themselves, the first motor would probably have blown, and dealer wouldn't have given them anything!!!
Maybe you're dyslexic and read Hyundai as Honda 😂😂😂💀 just jokin
What engine? $20 wouldn't even cover the price of oil let alone filter or labor. Try $40 plus where I live.
As a owner of a couple Hyundai's. I check my oil every time I pump gas. You absolutely have to. My Elantra eats 3-4 quarts every oil change. On time oil changes are a must too. These cars absolutely will break if you go past the interval at all.
I can see this happening because most cars tell you you're low on oil, so it would be unusual to have to check. All my cars tell you the oil level, and the newest one is a 2007.
An honest mechanic is hard to find, and you're the best honest mechanic out there. My subaru had a minor oil burn, but because it was not 1 quart in 1200 miles a extended warranty offered only on the engine was not honored. They instead blamed on me having a clogged up pcv valve. Dealers want to save the company money
I did a lot of research for a Subaru oil control plate I designed and found out some interesting information. On a typical 3.0L V6 with an oil capacity of 5 quarts, there were almost 2.5 quarts of oil circulating in the engine and about 2.5 quarts in the oil pan. Now think about letting your car get just 2 quarts low. You may have as little as a half quart in the pan on level ground or zero lateral and zero horizontal G driving. Now throw in acceleration, braking and turning and I guarantee that oil pickup is sucking air a good percentage of the time. When my cars are newer I change the oil and filter every 5000 miles because it's easy to remember by just looking at the odometer. As they get past 100,000 miles, I go to 3000 miles for the oil only and change the filter every other time. It's never let me down in 50 years of driving and maintaining cars.
Oil is cheap, engines are not. 🤷♂️
yes garage 54 made a clear oil pan and i was stunned to see half the oil get sucked through the engine while running at idle!
How long for time interval vs miles? I don’t drive much. You do every 6 months or every year?
How long for time interval vs miles? I don’t drive much. You do every 6 months or every year?
I have an 03 boxster S. I change the oil every 6 months regardless of mileage. I have changed it while only driving 500 miles at one point. An oil change is way cheaper than an engine, and I have not yet done the IMS, so I am spooked about that.
I work in the automotive industry 95 % of the cars that come into the shop are low on oil
The 2010 is amazing. 195k miles and still running like a champ.
Lol.All the hyundai fan boys in the comments love their cars and say it’s the best, but it’s only a matter of time before this happens to them and the engine quits. Hyundai/Kia can’t make an engine worth their salt
@@adl6907my guy i have had hyundai and Toyotas and hyundai is good depending on the model year. 2011 was literally when they theta2s made in America were having issues. His is 2010 that gen was super reliable and you can ask mechanics that would vouch for that. It’s why people are surprised because early 2000 Hyundais were actually pretty reliable. There’s a mechanic who had one with over 280,000 a 05 Elantra.
Ok Hyundai corporate office. We totally believe you.
Great video. My dad tought me to always change the oil every 3000 miles. Even with the suggested 5000 & 10,000 mile suggested changes in today's new cars, I stick with the 3000 rule and I check my oil every month. My car is only five years old with less than 60,000 miles, but I won't change from what I learned.
Keep up the great and honest suggestions in your videos. We all appreciate it.
Change it yourself too! The lowest kids on the mechanic totem pole do oil changes
Yes, I also follow my dad’s 40 year old advice, faithfully oil change every 3,000 miles! Check tire air pressure every month.
Changing oil evey 3000 miles seems like a waste of money considering how much synthetic oil and quality filters cost, not to mention how much better oil quality is compared mineral oils from 30-40 years ago. Not to mention how much fuel quality has changed as well as engine build quality. That 3000 miles thing was adequate for 1970's Chevy Novas that ran rich and had warn out piston rings in less than 50 000 miles not for vehicles made in 21sr centuryõ But if you don't want to change or actually learn anything new, then it's your money you're spending.
@@robertrool8108 - I schedule 5k miles on my g/f’s Rav 4. I use high quality Wix filters and Mobil 1. I actually just changed it on Monday at 5500 miles and this new 0w-20 oil is garbage. Absolutely no viscosity left compared to the 5-30 syn blend I use on my Astro van and her old ‘08 Rav 4 with 278k miles.
@@robertrool8108 That’s alright, I’ll spend MY money and you believe in what you want to believe!
This is great advice EVEN for the mechanically inclined. Last summer replaced a head gasket on a different vehicle. At the same time my teenage daughter was driving one of our cars, of Japanese variety, and then one day I climbed into it and realized it had been over a year and 10,000 miles since the oil was changed. Many faulted Acura's very in your face oil change reminders but I actually think it might be a really good idea for people like me.
If the owner were to trade that car in for a new car, the dealer would take the car and then put in a new engine under the owners original warranty. and along with screwing the owner on the trade, they would screw Hyundai on the replacement engine - That is the truth and that is how bad car dealers are - all of them!
Oh my dude, Acura/Honda had tire rotation reminder, too. What a company!
12 rule for life
No.1 Dont buy a KIA Hyundai new
No.2 Dont buy a KIA Hyundai used
i dont like oil change
thats why i drive a HONDA.
10k miles is an entirely normal oil change interval so not sure what you think the issue was
What a shame about the situation on this car. I have two Hyundais and have had good luck with both....because I kept up with regular maintenance and fixed things that needed fixing when appropriate. The 2009 I still have and everything still works on it. It is a second car and has served me well. Yes, set a regular routine up to check your fluids and see what is going on. Oil lights coming on usually means it is too late. For me, have a reliable car to get to work was just as important as the other priorities in life.
Agree. Hyundai might not be the best but if you keep up with the maintenance then it should last you a while. My old Hyundai had 267k miles and original engine and transmission
I have this exact car in red. Started burning oil at 95K. I always checked it after it started burning so it didn’t run too low. Got in a hit and run accident last week and just found out it’s being deemed a total loss. Sounds like I might be glad.
I check my oil (almost) every time I fuel up. Gets me strange looks at the gas station sometimes. (Especially the time the stupid plastic handle of the dipstick broke off and I had to crawl under the car to get it.) But then everyone is surprised when they learn the car has over 260,000 miles on it. Take care of your investment, and it SHOULD take care of you.
My wife’s Hyundai had the same issue, but the dealer had documents showing the car had been serviced there, so they honored the engine recall and installed a brand new engine for her at no charge.
If you service at Hyundai you can sometimes extend warranty to 7 years, even for used cars.
I believe you😂
My wife has a 2015 Kia Sorento, fought with Kia about burning oil, after going through there testing for months, they finally replaced the motor. They STINK…
I had one of the early production 2011 Sonata's, drove it regularly and it had 180k+ on the odometer when I traded it in after 8 years of service. Outside of the normal servicing of fluids, brakes, ect. And the recalls, it was very reliable and never was in the shop for more than 24hrs for a service.
@@sawood1031 And I believe you😂
When I was working at a Caterpillar dealer back in 2017 I think it was, NC decided to put sales tax on labor hours. We were concerned we might loose smaller customers. On average it was several hundred added to the bill because the state got greedy. On the big heavy iron up the hill a lot of customers were looking at several thousand added to their bill.
People think it's okay to drive until the low oil warning light comes on, but many times it turns on so late that it already made damage to the engine.
To do that multiple times will for sure destroy the engine.
Part of the problem is that cars today are so much more reliable than they were fifteen or twenty years ago. Most drivers just see them as something that just works, and routine maintenance gets left behind.
Excatly, I feel like basic maintenance and pre use inspection should be taught in driving school
False. Most cars today are not gonna run 200k+ miles like cars 20 years ago.
Also that on never cars, there's often not even a physical dip-stick for the engine or gearbox oil anymore and you need to go to the dealership and have them do it and reset the car ECU..
Cars were way better 20 years ago less electrics cheaper to maintain.
That is no excuse for laziness or stupidity. Especially at the cost of new vehicles.
I am Korean.
I expected an American car mechanic to talk about Korean car engines someday.
It was your video today, and my prediction was right.
In fact, the issue of modern direct injection engines in Korea is quite old.
Past MPi engines still have great durability.
As a Korean, the fact that Korean cars are often mentioned by Americans.
I feel quite happy, but I feel bitter about many bad issues.
I feel that.
Thank you for the video.
I remember Hyundai in 2000s; their engines were very reliable. My father owned an elantra with over 500,000 km on the original engine and gearbox. It's sad to see how Hyundai engines have declined since.
@@anasevi9456 As long as retards keep buying them why bother.
2000s were definitely the heyday for Hyundai/Kia
@@anasevi9456 Americans love Korean food and technology. We also love your cars, but they are having problems right now. And many even like your music!
Some of Hyundai's higher-end products have a much better reputation now, starting with the 2009 Genesis onwards. They're basically seen as "the new Lexus."
In the 1980s my mechanic did a complete engine overhaul on a Saab 96 V4. For the next several years the owner never even opened the hood. It ran completely out of oil. Here in Seattle, where we get rain, you’d think that the owner would have opened the hood, if only to top up the washer fluid.
If the sales tax on the repairs would be $1000 in Kansas, it would be $1500 in Washington state.
I’ve been lucky with my 2014 Hyundai accent and I rebuilt my engine here in SoCal Los Angeles there was many shops that would do it and I pulled it out of the car and took it in to a shop it was done in a week and it’s a been a year since the rebuild and still running like a champ took the car to Yosemite and back to la no problem
My wife’s 2011 sonata has 250k miles on it and still runs quiet. The only thing done to the engine was changing the timing chain and adjuster as a precaution at 150k which I did myself. Other than that, I change the ATF every 30k, the oil every 3000 miles and the coolant every three years along with flushing the brake fluid.
I have this same car only with the 2.0T. I think you're spot on with the oil change interval point. Hyundai says you can go 7500 miles in between oil changes which is way to long IMO. I've changed the oil every 3k in mine since the car was new, and check it frequently. At 100k miles, it does not burn any oil. If I was the customer I wouldn't give up fighting just yet. I've seen several people on the sonata Facebook group that I'm in get told no several times, but finally get it approved after a battle. These engines are junk and Hyundai/Kia know they're junk. Unless they just flat out never changed the oil, hyundai should cover it under the campaign. Id fight them tooth and nail. This is exactly why I've always had my service done at the dealer, and keep all the records so they can't pull this BS if the engine blows up. I think with proper maintenance these engines can be decent. But couple 7500 mile oil changes, which probably turns into 8500 mile oil changes because they're "a little late", and never checking the oil, and these engines are a recipe for disaster.
Strangely enough I also own a 2015 2.0t, oil changes every 3-5k, oem oil filters, topped up my oil as needed, and it STILL spun a bearing at 98k literally a couple weeks ago. I was recently just approved a "new" engine, turbo, and intake manifold under the lifetime warranty due to huge settlement over these engines. Covers my ass about 10k+ dollars! Unfortunately the impending doom these engines have is inevitable, especially the ones that come from the Alabama factory. Even the 2017 sonata 2.4L i had before this only lasted about 120k miles. Hopefully yours does last a lifetime though. Good luck!
@NLOE ya I think it's hit or miss. That's why I've got everything documented though from the cars service history. So if it does blow, it definitely wont be from lack of oil, and they wont be getting out of replacing it under the campaign either. My goal is 150k. At that point, I'll be ready to trade it off anyway.
A 7,500 mile oil change on a Hyundai turbo GDI engine is crazy. I sent several oil samples to Blackstone-Labs from my 2017 Hyundai Tucson with the 1.6L T-GDI engine, and it failed all of them for fuel contamination in the oil. MY car has 32,000 miles on it. The first sample I sent in had 6% fuel contamination after 3,600 miles. That means 6% of my oil is actually gasoline and not oil. The limit is 2%. Any more than that, and the oil can't protect the engine from wear. The lab said "1,200 mile oil changes and go fix your car" I did a second oil change and had the same results.
The dealer replaced the high pressure fuel pump under warranty. I did a couple more oil changes and now it's fixed. I got 1.8% fuel contamination after 2,600 miles. That means I can do 3,000 mile oil changes, just barely. Any more than that and I risk damaging the engine.
My friend has a 1998 Toyota Tacoma with 250K miles and sent his oil in after 6,000 miles. He has ZERO fuel in his oil. Also, he doesn't have GDI. Is it a coincidence? I think not.
I have a 13 2.0t limited. I keep oil changes regular and it uses just a bit, maybe a quart between changes at 5k. But I know the turbo can cause that a bit. I got the car 4 years ago with 57k on the odometer, it has 101k on it now. Runs well on the road, mpg in town isn't great but I expected that. I know the dealer told me, when I went in for a recall, that there is now a lifetime wty on the long block. I have actually been happy with the performance and the features, so I will keep driving it and if it locks up I will get the engine replaced.
I am also using LiquiMoly 5w-40 in it now instead of the 5w-20 or 30 the dealer would put in there.
@@LabCoatPaul I agree. I think the actual reccomendation on the turbo models by hyundai is 5k not 7500. But still I'm doing mine at 3k. Oil is cheap engines aren't. I still think 7500 miles in any GDI is to long. Regardless of if it's a turbo or not.
Well said on both points: cars need to be maintained and please don't bash the person who neglected it. They hopefully learned a valuable lesson.
For example the first car I got was a 1999 Mercury Grand Marquis and while I was keeping up with oil changes and the like, I wasn't paying attention to rotating the tires as I had to go to a different shop for that vs the oil change place as the tire shop had that as part of the tire purchase package. I forgot to rotate the tires for probably 7-10K over what I should and the tech noticed it, saying that I had ruined a perfectly good set of nice Goodyear tires. I told him thanks for the reminder and after that I never forgot.
I have a 2003 Lexus ES300 now and whenever I change the oil (6M or 5K miles, whichever is sooner) I immediately bring it in to Costco for a rotation as in my mind oil change=rotation so I won't forget. I have had two timing belt/water pump changes, coolant, transmission fluid etc through the 120K miles I have driven it and it's worked perfectly. If I hear unusual noises from the normal, see any drops of oil or whatever on the garage floor etc I bring it in and the car has been rock solid over the 11 years I've owned it. It's a Lexus, but it would not be in the condition mechanically it is today unless I maintained it. It was a costly lesson but I sure learned it on my first car!
I had an absolutely gorgeous red 2016 Hyundai sonata. Ran flawlessly with no problems. However because of the theta issues that I heard so much about, and the car was prone to be installing because of the social media foolishness. I finally sold it sadly last week. I miss that car but replaced it with a 2020 Honda Accord. Which immediately made me happy after it got 46 mi to the gallon compared to the sonata getting 33 milesvt9 the gallon.
I’m surprised there aren’t more videos like these about Hyundais, a lot of people that I know had horrible experiences with them.
I know more people that had bad experiences with Mercedes and BMW lol
@@TheRealCatof i mean there is a lot of Ballers On a Budget.
Well it's because Kia/Hyundai have improved their reputation without improving their products and most people don't realize that.
A lot of folks who buy cheap cars treat them like cheap cars though too. If you take care of them they aren't that bad. People neglect their vehicles.
@@brayannexon4613 It's because nowadays they make vehicles to appeal to mainstream automotive journalists who don't give two craps about how well a vehicle holds up after even 10k miles let alone 50 or 100. If it's pretty/luxurious enough and has enough tech to make the journos go "ooh" and write a good review (which they do) Hyundai/Kia has accomplished what they set out to do.
My 17 year old nephew got his learner’s permit to drive and soon will be shopping for his first car. Extremely intelligent kid but has never turned or held a wrench and hates to get his hands dirty. His dad is the same way and his stepdad pays people to do everything on his and my sister’s cars. I hope someone other than me shows the kid how to do basic car maintenance or handle emergency situations in a pinch. I’d love for him to be able to change his own oil or at least check it along with tire pressure, fluid levels etc. like my dad showed me how to do as we bonded 50+ years ago. The boy is a master at video games, social media, schoolwork etc. Unfortunately, I think we’re raising a generation of kids these days without mechanical or practical skills and it’s sad.
Thank you Wizard for helping these customers honestly and for not charging them a dime to let them know this car is totaled and not mocking or bashing them for doing it. We don’t know their life situation or level of skill. Hopefully they can come up with a solution at this point (perhaps sell the car for parts?)
I have a kia forte 5 1.6 litre turbo 92k miles, every time I fill the gas tank, I check the oil.
The owner manual says change the oil every 3k miles , which I do. Use synthetic oil and also use holeshot FR3.
It purrrs like a kitten on cold starts. Running strong.
It's not a honda or Toyota, bottom line, don't skip maintenance!!!
I like Mrs Wizard's involvement. Nice touch 👌🏾
I was married for 17 years. After our divorce my wife bought a brand-new Toyota Corolla. The engine locked-up solid at *30-something thousand miles* as she never did ANY maintenance, including bothering to check or change the oil. I can't blame her 100% as I'd always done the maintenance on her car(s) when we were together. We remain amicable and she said the mechanic who installed a used engine told her that her dipstick didn't show the presence of any motor oil at all!
Brother, you can blame her for that all you want. Oil change=common sense.
@@tooltime9260 What's the point of *ME* blaming her? She's already learned her lesson from it. She bought the car that she THOUGHT would require the least maintenance; a bone-stock, almost zero-option Corolla. Heck, it (1998 model year) even had the old 3spd automatic and manually winding windows!
@@Matt_from_Florida wow...how on earth does one kill a 98 Corolla! I think here in Germany they would take your license away for that :-D
I work as a mechanic myself and have lots of work colleagues who don't even bother to check their levels, let alone maintain their vehicle.
That has no relevance to this engine though. It is a manufacture defect, and causes catastrophic damage. Maintenance will not prevent it.
@@calebniederhofer6529 Well, this one last 120k miles while being terribly maintained. Tell us again how is it the engines fault
@@AI-qd4vb You are arguing about something, that you clearly have not researched, or educated on. I already explained it in my comment. The motor will have catastrophic damage regardless. My buddy sold them , and owned a 16 2.4. He maintained his meticulously, and the motor knocked around a 110k. There was issues during the manufacturing process, causing metal shavings, and catastrophic failure to the crankshaft, and pistons.
WHAT? I'm shocked that there are mechanics who don't maintain their vehicles. If they were doctors or nurses, they'd smoke and eat excessive junk food. Oh, wait, there really are doctors and nurses out there who do that.
Wizard, you have an old soul brother. Digging the attitude. Great video and message.
As a Hyundai technician I can confirm we no longer offer short blocks, the long blocks get replaced and the core gets sent off to Hyundai somewhere to rebuild em in a factory
My dear old dad used to tell me the oil is the cheapest way to protect your engine and always had me check it ..That's a sad story on that Sonata ....But I agree with your assessment.💯
Wizard, That is some good and honest advice for your customer. I did a rebuild on one of those junk GM 3.6 motors for a family member. I am a pro mechanic and I used the highest quality parts I could get. The motor took a crap about 8 mo. later. Like you said some motors aren't worth rebuilding. I did the labor work for free yet I still feel bad about it.😔
That’s so crazy that these engines are disposable. I replaced the bearings on a 74 454 in my driveway as a teenager and it came out fine.
My mom just traded her 2017 Santa Fe sport because it burned 2 Quarts every 1.5k miles. Only had 80k miles. It was ridiculous. She got a 2019 rav 4 with 17k miles. I’m happy she listened to me and got a Toyota.
I maintain a 2014 Acadia with the 3.6. It currently has 207k on it. It does burn oil, 1 qt every 1500 miles, but keep it topped off and going. I have seen plenty of 3.6l with 200k+. The earlier ones were bad with timing chains, but the 2012 or so + that was resolved.
I ll bet that the timing chains went... we cannot use aftermarket parts they are all from china with low quality for sure...
I had a 2005 CTS with the same engine that didn't make it past 60K miles. Lost a shit load of money.
I bought an old 1996 mini-car for my girlfriend to go to and from work.
Its engine consumed some oil.
Therefore, I taught her to see its oil.
She always disliked it - nevertheless, she understood the need.
Hence, today - even with a more recent car - she still measures the oil.
Simply not weekly, but every two months.
My main gripe is: why did OEMs (manufacturers) stopped equipping cars with oil sticks?
Instead, you have to use the diagnostic tool, and the engine needs to be at full optimal temperature.
If you are low on oil, and let it go to full optimal temperature, maybe... You just hurt your engine - and especially the turbo, which is nowadays common place, and requires the oil to be of the higher quality and enough to reach it.
The old car consumed a little bit of oil due to bad piston ring(s).
Basically, the previous owner - from whom I bought the car from - lied to me. I learned a valuable (cheap) lesson.
He stated that the timing belt, accessory belt, and water pump had been changed in the previous year.
However, the water pump failed, leading to an overheating situation.
Fortunately, I had taught my girlfriend to keep an eye on the temperature gauge - and she did.
As she was in traffic situation, the temperature started to rise quickly.
She looked for a safe spot to park, and turned off the engine.
The engine was not junked, but at least one piston ring was damaged - leading to oil consumption, and a great deal of power loss. The car was weak from factory (62 hp), but it was old and left with ~45 hp.
Afterwards, I fixed all that (timing belt, accessory belt, and water pump), but it was not worth to fix the piston ring.
I managed to sell it to a local family, after 5 years of owning it.
It went on long road trips, did highway speeds, commuting, etc...
I needed to just watch the oil level weekly when commuting, or daily when on road trips.
Apart from that, solid car!
I guess I am the sole person ALIVE in this country that has had 4 (yes FOUR) Korean cars in the last 20 YEARS (Hyundai Elantra, Kia Soul+, Kia Forte, and Hyundai Kona) - stretching from 2002 until now - WITH ZERO (0) PROBLEMS / Issues. Each car I bought new - drove over 120K (except for the '21 Kona that we still own with 37K on the odometer) - the latter 3 cars each had 1 (one) car battery, one (1) set of tires and scheduled maintenance by the book. IN 20 YEARS I HAVE HAD NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER - AT ALL. Oh, I forgot to mention, I did have to replace a rear turn signal bulb on the Forte - that set me back $1.50.
I personally check the fluid levels in my car at least once a week and when a big trip comes up I check them one time before I go and one time when it's time to come back. It doesn't take more than 5 minutes and you have peace of mind that something catastrophic won't happen
never checked my oil.
the secret?
Honda
@@tocreatee3585 they truly are great cars. I used to own a 99 civic sedan. I had it for 5 years until a drunk driver wrecked it
@@tocreatee3585 Hondas need oil, too...let it get too low(and it eventually will) and she will blow..Hondas are quality, but they are not magic...
..Yes, same here, and I check the tires as well....
The car should warn about low oil. Or is that too advanced tech for Hyundai?
Wizard you are absolutely right, I’ve been in almost a year and a half long fight with Hyundai corporate and a local dealership, in June of 2021 after only 11 months of ownership of a CPO 2017 Santa Fe my wife noticed that the low oil light came on, I pulled the dipstick and it was bone dry. I first called the dealership service center and they told me to add oil and bring the car in I then called the the salesman that sold me the car, he told me that it’s perfectly normal to have to add oil to your vehicle every month and that he adds oil to his bmw every month (I told him that you might want to get your car looked at because that is not normal). We started and oil consumption test and was told all I have to do is bring the car back 3 more times at 1,000 mile intervals, soon after that the dealership started playing games telling me I had to bring the car in additional times and also the tech needed to complete a “cylinder clean out” at $200 to me even though the car is covered under a 60,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty and a 100000 power train warranty from Hyundai, we do the service and leave the car with them since they said it should be very quick to either get the approval or disapproval for the repair. The car sat for a month and a half at the dealer with us calling each week for an update, finally we call corporate to find out they have no record of a warranty repair being submitted. We come to find out that they messed up the process somewhere along the line and we are now told that we have to start this process from the beginning and there is no way around it. So with no other choices we did the entire process again and finally in December of 2022 we had a “reconditioned” long block put in. I can tell you for sure that I would never want to buy another Hyundai product again, the dealership shops do not care and corporate does not care, the 2.4 liter 4 cylinder has a serious problem that they do not want to acknowledge and will try to drag the process out until you are at the point of taking a loss on the car. I was actually told by the shop manager (with a smile on his face) if I had let the engine seize up I wouldn’t have to go through all of these problems and that they would just replace it. You need to put this on your list of vehicles to avoid this and the Santa Fe with the same engine
Absolutely. Doesn’t matter how well this motor is treated, it will die an early death.
I’m glad to hear that you will never buy another Hyundai/Kia product again. Tell all your friends and family as well. 8.5 million people are in your same situation due to all their engine recalls.
My Sonata Hybrid seized and thank G-d Hyundai covered the replacement of the engine. But before it seized majorly it just died while I was driving one day after the first year I bought it new. When I took it to get looked at by the Hyundai shop they could not give me a clear reason for why it died only some kind of water hose problem. I had never had issues with any other kind of car like I did with the Hyundai and I've driven Volkswagon, Ford and Smart car. Thankfully, the private shop I originally took it to questioned why a less then 4 year new car was having engine problems. I agreed. I got rid of the lemon.
yes after 2011 but the earlier ones are excellent .
This - THIS, RIGHT HERE! IS the problem. There is no such thing as a "low oil light" on MOST cars, and SO MANY people think that's what the light is telling them! The light is basically telling you "ZERO oil pressure, STOP ENGINE NOW!!" This has happened to people I know "Oh, the oil is low, I'll just remember to get it filled up as soon as I get a chance," but that's NOT what it means at all! Sorry if I misunderstood your specific example, and I don't mean to jump on your post, but this is BASIC stuff EVERYONE should know!
"If you're curious what kind of tools we're probably NOT going to use on this car...".... Love it!
Been a truck driver for years and just like my truck especially before a long trip i pretrip my car. Now of course stuff happens but checking everything once every few days can and will save you a lot in the long run
So sad. I'm mechanic myself, and You are right car wizard, life just gets in the way just as it has for me. I let my trucks oil go longer than normal and it was a little low and also black. (I never do that) but with life's normal problems and for me, I go to doctors often due to my health, and I'm your age, and i tell you, it is tough to keep up with everything. I hope the sonata owners find another car and check the oil in it! 🙂 Sometimes it takes things like this to remind us to take better care of what we own.
With most other vehicles it wouldn’t be as egregious a problem. Hyundai is just ridiculous. Trust me, I know. Hope you’re holding up ok
Such a shame that for a few years Hyundai and Kia were looking so promising, offering seemingly decent cars at an affordable price. Then those cars began to age, and we saw just how unreliable and disposable they really were, specifically the engine's. Every day there's a new recall. Then the whole USB thefts put the nail in the coffin. It's a shame, I was really rooting for them and personally love the Genesis lineup.
Lipstick on a pig, my man. Just like building a budget performance car, you have to cut some corners. Cheap, Reliable, Luxury. Pick two.
Only made to last 100,000 miles. Even Mercs and BMWs are disposable these.
Hyundai's early 2000s cars were actually much more reliable, and lasted a lot longer, than their newer stuff.
@@elesjuan the triangle is cheap, reliable, fast
@@spicysnowman8886 Thanks, but I prefer it my way.
I work at Hyundai as a tech and we got thousands of sonatas knocking, and we are replacing engines every day under warranty. It's crazy to think these people have all these bad engines due to lack of maintenance, but we are still replacing all of them anyway FOR FREE(to the customer) by the campaign. Us techs only get paid around $200 for every engine replacement. Hyundai is constantly under fire from customers and the public but the truth is people don't do their damn oil changes on time which results in engine knocking and this happens ON ANY CAR!!
I changed my oil on time, every time, and still threw a rod. The engines are utter garbage.
Checking the oil is very good advice, I check mine weekly, and let everyone I know to do the same thing . As far as that car goes I hope it doesn't go to the junkyard. There are small car dealerships in Texas , they're called note lots. And they will sometimes buy cars like this , that don't run so good , and have their own in-house mechanic repair them, and then sell the car for double its value to people .
My family had 2 Sonatas, both same model as the one in the video. Both ran perfectly and drove so smooth. The only problem was an occasional infotainment problem with the Bluetooth. It’s such a shame that these are apparently problematic but I’m glad our experience with these was nice
The overall quality control on Hyundais and Kias is very poor. Yes, some people have good experiences, but a lot don’t. There’s a reason you pay more for a Toyota or Honda.
No car can run on low, dirty oil.
Put in an aftermarket radio if possible. They are so much better
@@mplslawnguy3389 very true. We’ve had several JDM brands and had pleasant experiences for the most part, Nissan being the best overall for us if you can believe that
I also had a few Hyundais and never had any problems.
Years ago I had a chance to buy a Hyundai with just over 100,000 miles on it and the body was nearly perfect. The interior was super clean, and all it needed was a new engine.
I called a buddy who owned a junk yard to price another engine. He said that is the problem. He had several really nice Hyundai, Cars, Vans, and SUVs. They all had bad engines.
Put a non-Hyundai engine in it. Maybe a Honda engine.
@@hazelwood55 I was just thinking of the same thing. It would just require more work like swapping the engine harness and ECU to make it all work. But the main thing to figure out would be in finding the ideal engine that fits and lines up with the stock engine mounts with minimal modifications.
@@hazelwood55 put a 1.9 TDI in it.
Yeah, a used Hyundai engine is $6k and a used Camry engine is $1,500. with a lot less miles. Why? Because there are more Camry wrecks than blown engines. Hyundai has more blown engines than they can replace.
Crazy how many people say a car was unreliable but truth being the maintenance, was never done. If the maintenance was done, it would’ve been very reliable.😂😂 some people don’t understand that certain brands of cars need more maintenance than other brands. The lower maintenance cars cost l more, but you have less maintenance the cheaper cars need more maintenance so you’re really not saving any money in the long run! Because if you don’t do the maintenance you end up buying another car and spending just as much money had you just bought a Toyota in the first place!
I'm an engineer and I've been a shade tree mechanic all my life. There are great mechanics local to you and lm a big supporter of conscientious shop owners like The Wizard, but one thing I've learned over the years, if you need an engine rebuild, NEVER go with any local shop who either wants to do rebuild themselves or who wants to sub work out to another shop to get it rebuilt.These people aren't working to any tight tolerances and specs like the manufacturer does!!! Spend the extra $ and accept only a remanufactured long block straight from the OEM manufacturer. Those long blocks are made and assembled on an assembly line and checked against close tolerances and specs that the OEM manufacturer stands behind. Not so for your local shop or mechanic doing an in-shop engine rebuild of questionable quality and questionable attention to detail. And don't think you're getting some great warranty from an in-shop rebuild because you won't.