1000% agree. If Uncle Sam already got paid on the initial sale, why does he have to get paid over and over again as the product changes hands? Greed, that's why.
@@markofexcellence5209 I feel like Ed can get along with literally anyone. He is a very social person, and can most likely befriend anyone if he really wanted to.
Justin LaBarge I think that he would be polite to anyone, but I don’t feel like he would be able to make a real friendship with someone who was radically stupid. I sure as hell can’t handle it. Maybe he can and that’s the salesmen in him.
Ill be dressing up as an officer and ill be pulling over possible police impersonators (real cops) and getting all up in their buisness. Ill let ya know who I bust.
How in the hell can a state tax you on vehicles you bring into the state when you move there??!!!! You Georgians need to march on the Capitol and end that BS
The good folks of Georgia did not want this tax, it was rammed through by the used car dealers association (lobby) that felt it unfair that private sellers of used cars was somehow unfair competition. As usual, the tax burden falls mainly on the middle class after the Great Recession.
Davonte Little GA used to do that until about 2011. It was a small mileage rate usually about $40-70/yr for a normal car. Now it’s all up front when you attempt to register the title under a new name.
florida does to keep northerners from driving rusty junk down there when they move there. i lived there for 3 years. i kept my ohio drivers license and went back to ohio once a year for plates. it was cheaper than the impact fee
We won't spend much more time on the Montana issue here on the VINwiki channel (unless one of the two subjects of the investigation want to come in and tell their side of it) but I wanted to get some of these thoughts out there to clarify a lot of unanswered questions.
Been enjoyable to hear it all, Ed. Though I should note U-Hauls, like many other commercial vehicles, have apportioned registrations. So each state (and province) gets their piece of the action. TAVT sounds like a train wreck I'm happy to avoid (shoutout to buying in South Carolina, then moving to Indiana), but I figure you want to use the most effective weapons in your arsenal. :)
Considering that the cars are 'owned' by the business and it's an LLC, the owners themselves may be exempt from personal liability. You could refer the state to the 'owner in-fact', the LLC in Montana. 'They' an agent of the company or attorney representing them, can make the assertion that the car is being 1) used by an employee or agent of the business within their discretion; or 2) borrowed by an authorized party on a person use-basis, without remission of ownership on the part of the LLC. (i.e. If I lend you my car, you don't pay taxes on it, I do, as well as I retain ownership.) Because the 'owner in-fact' still resides in Montana, they are not subject to the taxes demanded of Georgia. Georgia also cannot technically demand payment because of a lack of residence, to an entity that never existed within the confines of their state. (The sales tax is the burden of the merchant if they have that beef.) Further, the individuals can file a retort under what I believe is a rule 9A procedural failure in the court if they try to take them to court for the taxes. (Rule 9A is a requirement that the person in the civil matter must be actionable, and LLCs are designed to insulate owners from direct debt liability, so they are not.) If one of these guys can set an antithetical legal precedent based on the legal nature of their transaction, they can refute the state's authority and clear everyone of current and former liability. (They can cite the case.) People might then buy their cars in other states, harming only the GA dealers in this process.
Ed, I can listen to your and Rob Pitts voices telling stories for hours. As a 30 year old man with ADHD that is saying a lot. I am able to focus on the issue and retain valuable information to tell friends in the car community who may not be subscribed. Thank you for being honest and, having transparency with us. You have a gift . Thank you. Sincerely, Jeff from Pennsylvania
Honestly, I don’t think it’s beneficial to them to speak about that right now. They can incriminate themselves and there is no way they can get benefited by that. Too bad the issue is not of a general public interest. People could put pressure on legislators and vote out public officials in an upcoming elections.
Sadly... These guys are unfortunate enough to know now what gun owners in America have been dealing with for years. There's nothing better than the government saying we're going to change our reinterpret a lot and you're going to be made an instant felon overnight. I e the ATF wanting to change the ruling on a bump stock being a fully automatic weapon.
Ammo and Gear Deals after watching the rest of the video those were my thoughts exactly. Government always messing with my hobbies. Guns, cars, and cigars.
Honestly in my opinion this is just another way for the government stealing money from everyone. Just excuse to get money out of people. I do agree that it is very stupid to pay tax especially on a used car. Government never see the bigger picture and you ask why America owns so much in debt.
I'm from Montana and the best part of their plates is the selection. There is probably 60 different plates all with different colors and designs so you can pretty much find any plate to match the color of your vehicle
When I moved to GA 3 years ago I went to title my car in GA. When I moved, I owned my car outright, never made payments and had always been in my name. My car itself was worth about $5,000 but they valued it at $8,000. So I essentially had to pay the state the tax just to "re-buy" my own car at a higher value than it was worth.
@@user-zx1ir7jt4c dude I know all the California trash have moved to Georgia. They have destroyed the state. It is done for their implementing all the crazy lunatic San Francisco policies. Honestly you can kiss our great state of Georgia goodbye. 😢
As a Montana State resident, the reason vehicle registration is so cheap and accessable is because cars are a necessity for daily life because of how rural and spread out it is here. That's also the reason we have Permanent tags so you don't have to register your car every year if it's older than 10 years
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I live in Virginia....yes...its that bad....these asshole DO NOT FUCK AROUND when it comes to speeding. You can get literally jailed for speeding ten over depending on where you do it.
Also, I wish the current media would take a lesson from Ed. Shows both sides of the story, then gives his informed opinion with a disclaimer. I yearn for the days of objective reporting. Dilly dilly!
I moved from TN to Georgia(about a 5 mile move) and I was unaware of the rediculous world of TAVT. When I was made aware that my 15 year old Silverado with 260k on the dash and significant cosmetic damage was going to be taxed based on a 7,000 dollar book value I just said no thanks and chose to roll the dice. The ticket for an expired tag in our county is $100. TAVT on my $1,000 old truck would be nearly 5 times that. It took me nearly 4 years to finally get cited for my expired tag. In those 4 years my truck's book value fell enough that I came out a bit ahead after the ticket and TAVT. Made me proud to be an American. #taxationistheft
LOL!!! I moved from West Virginia due to serious medical issues and had just bought a year earlier a "new" Buick LaCrosse from the new restyled bodies and they wanted WAY too much money to do things legally for a car Id just paid taxes on when I bought it.So,after 4 years,3 on an out of date plate,we traded it for another new car,but a Kia this time.Now that its done,I dont regret a thing.If they made it reasonable to be "legal" here without emptying your wallet I would have done it.But to pay 1/3 the value of a car in a year for taxes is ridiculous.So I guess the Georgia moral of the story is,get your crap together and people will do the right thing but if you continue on an outdated principle you will lose money in the long run. (and I liked this....#taxationistheft....)
@Charlie Vetsworth You are not very smart. You don't know the definition of "3rd World" and lack the ability to differentiate between legitimate and illegitimate taxation and government functions funded thereby.
+Ed Bolian Very true but I think people should know and learn about this and other things and you did a superb job of explaining it. great dialog, I didn't catch any "ums", or "you know" etc and that is something I can't say about the news or many other youtubers. I have a aging yet still fun 2000 911C4 and it is a great stealth sports car, thanks again, I will be watching more of your videos. Thank You.
Eloquent is an excellent word to describe Ed Bolian, who is probably my Fav storyteller on youtube,much less the vinwiki. the blond guy who sold grandma the jacked up 4x4 was funny as hell,and should post more stories too.
I'm all for finding the best tax code for your situation. But if you sign a paper saying you're going to take your car out of Georgia and you don't, you should expect bad things to happen when people pay attention.
Sales tax on used cars, yearly property tax on used cars. All this is TYRANNY taxes to be taxes. Im paying taxes YEARLY on a 40 year old motorcycle with historic tags. Its fucking disgusting. I know plenty of people with tiny property in Montana for this reason. We left Britian for TAXES AND TYRANNY yet here we are.
The car belongs to a Montana LLC. The LLC is based in Montana, obviously. No matter where the car is, how much time it spends abroad from the state, it still belongs to the Montana LLC. Even if the “owner” of the car and the LLC is a resident of Georgia, the LLC on paper and in legal terms is the owner of the car. Georgia needs to get over it
No one has brought that up, how does GA transfer ownership of an LLC back to an individual, regardless of how easy it is to know who the owner is on social media, where is the paper that says that this GA resident owns that car. Makes no sense. They are treating a loophole like a crime and that wont fly.
Rick Kruse I’m pretty sure like me as Georgia residents they paid their state incom taxes and property taxes. They paid the price to live in this state. The car does not belong to the Georgia resident. It belongs to the LLC. Why should the pay taxes on something that doesn’t belong to them?
Do it! According to Mr Spaghetti (Rob ferretti) it’s not worth the expensive of setting up the LLC and the ancillary costs for a basic daily (like your Corolla) but do it anyway, stick it to em!!!!
Ed Bolian would be the obvious choice for spokesman for the entire anti-TAVT movement! Hell, he'd be the obvious choice for spokesman for anything! A VERY well spoken, eloquent, and articulate individual, for sure!
You articulate your point very well and intelligent.. you clearly understand the problem and solutions.. they should scrap the investigation and put you in charge..
There should never be taxes on used items, it's just double dipping. A new item is taxed and that should cover it for the life of the item regardless of it changing hands down the road.
Once again, you don't get that sales tax is collecting tax on money you spend. period. get it? you spend money, they take some of it as tax. They do this instead of income taxes or property taxes. Property tax, wtf is that, how can they keep taxing you every year on something you own. Taxes are how government get money to pay for things, they can do it all kinds of ways, but they have to do it someway. Look how Apple, Google, and every big corporation avoids paying taxes, now go complain about THAT, because that is billions of dollars they cheat you and me out of.
@@nimblemotorsports except my state sales tax on cars is only when its bought from a dealership, a private party sale has no tax. However, what Ed is saying (I could be wrong) sound like they are charging this title tax even on these private party sales, so that every time it changes hands it gets taxed. That's not right. As for taxes, what are they really going to anyway? Roads aren't great, infrastructure needs to be updated, education is poor, etc etc etc. Taxes aren't going to benefit us, they are going for private spending, whether its personal, military, foreign or whatever. At least those corporations are providing jobs and wages to people in this country, they may avoid taxes but they are doing something for us at the same time.
@Jack Murray There would never be another 'new' car sold in the U.S. (or 'new' home, or 'new' anything.) Not to mention that the various governments would raise taxes to multiple times the purchase price to cover the 'lost revenue'. Government and Business aren't stupid. Not when it comes to taxes. Government needs money. Businesses need customers. They both know how to do it and what won't work. Nice try, but no, that's never gonna happen. If it ever did, you're quickly going to discover that the owner is "collecting" the taxes he paid because "I had to pay this much in taxes, if you want this, you have to pay me back what I paid. Why should you get this tax free?" Like I said, not gonna happen. Everyone is too greedy.
I hate this new tax on cars. I hate property tax too. A county official told me that the residents of Georgia don't really own thier property. They are just taking care of it for the county and state.
Ed your presentation was 100% perfect you couldn't say better I think that controversy will leave more questions than answers for most of the GA exotic cars community
If anyone understands this, it's Ed! Georgia's government ans financial services should watch this video and realize they may make a few million after all of the taxes are recovered, but they will lose much more than that in the long run.
curtis, probably its going to be a unknown number those "small business" owners that leave the state because of Georgia tax brackets and enforcement, but at the same time while some of the hypercars will leave the state, i'm sure some of the normal people might leave for taxes in another states that are as crazy, so overall this "policy" could have a big impact on Georgia population.
Nightowl I’m a small business owner, I pay a lot in personal vehicle state sales tax and I wouldn’t consider firing an employee if my personal tax situation changes. In general well run companies don’t employ people because they like giving people jobs out of the goodness of their hearts, those employees are essential for the day to day operations of a company so they would be hard to fire without disrupting business.
@@mitchmontona I think the point is a small business owner wouldn't necessary fire anyone but if they were suddenly faced with an immediate and unforeseen 100k cash expenditure it could potentially stifle the growth of said small business and prevent them from hiring additional employees, expanding inventory, purchasing real estate, etc. etc. etc.
Fantastic public speaking ability, covering a host of great points without terrible brain - mouth pauses, watched this a second time and it's still very solid.
Great explanation of TVAT. Now, as a NH resident, I can understand your pov. I thought my state was bad on high car registration (nevermind property tax), but Georgia is OTT.
So long story but I'm fighting this exact situation. I bought my 458 back in August and had it registered through a Montana LLC. I own the car outright and bought it from a Texas owner and had the title and everything. I did not have plates but I drove the car with a bill of sale showing I owned the car for less than 2 weeks and even had my Montana paperwork but not the actual plates (in the mail). I get pulled over for "speeding", I don't want to mention how fast because the officer did not clock me. Anyways, she wants my info and I give her my Nebraska license, scanned copy of my Montana registration, as well as a bill of sale, and proof of insurance was on my phone. She not only didn't believe I owned the car but started questioning how I could afford the car and etc when I told her to run the VIN, it will not come up stolen in any database as I was the legal owner. She calls for backup and next thing you know I have a half a dozen sheriff SUVs and a K-9 unit. All for a TRAFFIC stop. She claims my insurance is invalid (completely valid, I'm in the insurance business), and that the car wasn't legally registered. I showed her Nebraska law that showed that even if I had Montana plates, I would be fine as I have 30 days to register the car (unless I had the car registered in Wyoming or North Carolina), not to mention, I technically would be fine running Montana plates because as Ed stated, tons of people in many states use this to their advantage. Long story short, I got a ticket for NO PROOF of OWNERSHIP, no insurance, and something regarding having "fake plates" when I had just a local dealership's plates on (like an ad for a buddy's dealership). I fought this in court and long story short, my lawyers got everything thrown out since I was looking at misdemeanors with $5,000 worth of fines and up to 6 months in jail. The officer even showed up to my court date to try to tack on a speeding ticket as well. Absolutely ludicrous and cops seriously need to find better things to do like stopping criminals like murderers instead of alleged tax cheats like myself.
There was this great news segment in Baltimore (if you don't know one of the most dangerous in the country) and they sent out a police helicopter and dozens of police officers over people riding dirt bikes on the street. An absolute waist of resources. Like I'm sure someone was murdered, raped, or robbed in the time that took. Police don't care for stopping real crime. No money in doing so
Doug Montgomery That’s really stupid. Dealers in OR must hate that. In northeastern states, tax is payed when you register the vehicle. I live on the Mass/NH line and we have a HUGE Porsche dealer in Nashua. And yes many Ma people come up but they still have to pay tax.
South Carolina makes you prove residence if you do not have a SC drivers license. Gas bill, electric bill, etc. Believe they have a $300 cap on vehicle sales tax. So its gonna be a no in SC unless you have a residence.
3:52 if you want to see what Ed's shirt actually says. Now you can actually listen to him instead of spending the whole video hoping he'll move his leg.
finally some context about this TATV situation in Georgia, from someone who has some intimate awareness. I'm from another country but have been following the developments on VinWiki. Thanks Ed!
Love the explanation Ed. Great video. Georgia should have said to the owners, "Until now you have been allowed to do "this". From now on you won't." Not only in Georgia, there is far too much government in our lives.
I think it's more that Doug looks for the best version of a car he can find to flip quickly with no issues or chance of being stuck with a car no one wants while Ed looks for the most storied. Lol. I believe it's even been covered in a video on here by one or both of them.
Rnie Jx4 although this would never happen, I would love for the top 5% rich people in Ga would just pack up and leave. Let’s how the government likes it when 70% of the states money leaves and goes to Alabama lol
When I moved to MD there were no taxes if you switch the title within 30 days of taking residence. After that you pay the difference in tax between the previous state and MD. Just enough leverage to keep people honest.
@@v12alpine That certainly is more reasonable. I don't see why Georgia thinks they are entitled to taxes on property already owned by the person when they move into the state when no transfer of ownership has occurred. A person, like me, with a collection of old cars would not be able to move to that state at all.
@@EdBolian The rest of us are pretty sure. You have made more than one successful small business, figured out how to beat the cannonball record so much that no one will do better (at least until I try lol), I could go on but I think we should count you as a genius just for those 2 things.
Meanwhile in Massachusetts Car tax, si tax (tax on car every year), tolls, yearly inspection on car $35,, registration fees every few years and guess what the roads are some of the worst in the country. I don't know where this money goes
I recently bought a car for $7,000. I didn't mind the $7k, or the insurance increase, or the cost of registration, or even the eventual cost of maintenance. What bothered me was the check I had to write for $490 in sales taxes, on a used car, and the amount I'll pay each year until it's 15 years old in excise taxes. The government doesn't even do an adequate job paving streets and yet they seem entitled to a large (relatively speaking) chunk of cash. Thieves is all they are.
Rhode Island has something similar to Tatv. I bought a rusty $1800 Miata with 220,000miles, but we have something called a CPI (Cars of particular interest). It’s a list of more desirable or (collector) cars. Most cars in RI are taxed by KKB value. But cars on the CPI list are valued on a special book value. So even though I overpaid for my $1800 rusty 220k mile Miata, the DMV still valued it at $6500. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Miata sell for more then $5k I’m the past 5 years. The list can be incredibly vague too. The Miata and RX7 are specifically on the list, but also on the list they just list BMW. So according to this list, a 2002 BMW X3 is just as desirable as a M3/M4/M5 or any other BMW. They do this for Mercedes as well. The car tax in this entire country is a complete mess.
I like Ed's taste of cars to picks vehicle ownership. Man the government shady business. Owning a exotic car is a stress reliever. I know who to call if I have any questions... Ed
I say, "Live Free or Die", baby! Let them register cars here for all I care, beyond the fact we have no sales taxes whatsoever. And there is no insurance requirements in NH either.
You can fill a form out to argue the state value of your car down to pay less. My dad was the first to do it in my town and he argued the value of the car by half and was refunded half of what he already payed to the state.
I did this as well. I think they knocked 30% off the tax. Didn't match what it should have been, based on the fact that it was a salvage rebuildable title, but it's always worth filling out that form.
You should run for office. How about when they were taxing leases as full purchases. I ended up paying taxes twice for a car I leased and later purchased, ridiculous.
I absolutely understand if people believe the laws and unfair, oppressive and unacceptable. I absolutely agree that state taxes are meant to make a state preferable to other states. I even agree that the current Georgia taxes make little sense. However, just because you don't like a law does not mean you get to ignore it. You can fight to change the law into something that makes more sense, you can move to another place with better laws. Sure exotic car owners may experience financial hardship and may have to sell some of their cars. Their businesses may experience slower growth. But if they could afford to own exotic cars they were not putting the money into salaries and growth, and they have enough income to afford paying the taxes.
If they wanted to grow their business they wouldn't tie up their wealth in luxury purchases, they'd use the money to invest in their business. A person who behaves this way, crying about taxes and how they're hurting their business while maintaining multiple exotic cars is a drain on their community. They don't want to create more jobs via business investment, they want to put their wealth in appreciating tax advantaged luxury items; hence all the moaning over paying taxes on "used cars."
GA really is overreaching with this. Well spoken rebuttal of their tatics. There are so many ways this could have gone down nicely but they are not doing it that way.
in this case Taxation = Theft. even with a friend of mine he bought a subaru legacy gt 2.5l Turbo 5sp that had a blown motor for $1000. he bought a replacement motor (EJ20DET) and installed it him self. he was charged 460 dollars for his registration. 300 of witch was tax because they put it in kbb and chose the highest dollar amount as its value. witch was around 5500 bucks. if this car was sold again as it sits now it will most likely get 3500 bucks.
Hey Smart Ass....Do you actually know just how much of your tax is spent on Roads, hospitals and cops wages...? In Relation to how much is boosted and milked that you never see again? Probably not....so wise up...
I recently relocated to the Atlanta Metro area and my good friend told me - if you have any out of state plates on your vehicle after six months Georgia DOR will come after you. And the state I left - they taxed on KBB values. I'm sorry - but cars are personal property and as such should not be taxed. And you could always file suit against the state. :)
To the person who you say is paying this tax or hiring someone... how about they hire someone and drive a 10,000 used wrx not a supercar. No one "living on the ragged edge", owns a supercar....
The problem with this logic is that Georgia is setting arbitrary values for the tax amount on vehicles, rather than basing it on sales price. Someone may purchase a used Gallardo, register it under a perfectly legal Montana, and now owe upwards of $9K. Georgia says they cap at 9% of fair market value, but what they consider fair is based on how much money they want, it could easily be $20K if you go by MSRP instead of market values. All of a sudden your used Lamborghini is costing you a significant portion of its value, meaning unless you can float the cash, you will be forced to sell the asset to pay the tax, or use another asset to do the same. If it gets sold, now the buyer has to pay the tax again. Within a few sales the state of Georgia has collected more in tax than the car is worth.
@@alexz1232 I get that and thinks its pretty unfair and fucked but its also fucked that small business owner thinks he should buy a lambo if he in reality cant afford it with fudging the system.
Very good rebuttal. Obviously many strange laws in Georgia. Just for the record if buying a car new or used here in NJ Its a 6 pct tax to title plus the price of registration and tags is additional. Did I mention that each of my motorcycles cost $65 except my antique but to register my Toyota is $42.50. For all the rich people crying , most all of us not only pay interest on the loan of the car but also pay interest on the sales tax that is usually amertised into the loan if you buy inside the state. So do I feel bad that the rich don't like paying. No.
Dont you feel if you buy a used car that 6% is ridiculous? We arent supposed to be taxed upon taxed according to the constitution. Rich or poor why is this acceptable? The car was taxed once when it was new. Also if someone wants something nice like a car most of the time they barely drive,its fine for them to pay as you do. If registration is used for road maintenance as they claim, why would we not charge registration by mileage? If someone for example has a Toyota car and drove it 35,000 but another person has a La Ferrari and they drove it 200 miles. Why would the La Ferrari have to pay $20,000 in registration and tags? It was barely in use. Also when someone buys the La Ferrari and they pay lets say 10% sells tax, that person has payed plenty of tax. When it came into production it was at 2 million and now I believe is 4 million. Would it not $400,000 in sales tax be enough?
That's why I'm thankful to live in Florida. Not only can you register anything you want, the tax isn't ridiculous either. I registered my 20 year old F150 a few months ago. When asked how much I paid for the vehicle, I said "Nothing, it was a gift" (it was). I ended up only having to pay a new vehicle registration and a new tag without having to pay any tax on the vehicle itself.
I was genuinely considering moving to Georgia because of the car culture, huge airport, and the architecture there. But I think I'll just stay here in Arizona, where things tend to not get messed with.
Didn’t really know about TAVT, I literally will not move to Georgia because of this. I just paid $5k in taxes/title/fees here in FL, not going to do it again just because GA didn’t get a cut of it initially.
Almost every state will charge you tax for registering a vehicle when you move to their state. I've kept Texas plates on one of my cars in 2 different states over 8 years and just claim lm in town for business.
Brooks Flickinger I’m moving to Charleston soon for the navy, is it true that there’s no emissions or annual inspection? I’m coming from California with the strictest emissions laws in the country.
You have to pay property tax in every state, which sucks. "You'll never actually own your home in the United States, technically". I love states with low or no sales or income tax. Ones with high rates on both suck!
@@thatoneotherotherguy that property tax was implemented to make sure by our owners since we are merely workers of the modernized plantation, that we can never truly be free and no slave can permanently own land, only own to rent.
According to NADA I have $84,225 worth of cars. If I moved to GA @ 7% taxes I would have to pay $5,900 just to bring my cars in? My cars are more realistically worth $20,500 But I paid nothing close to that because they were all clapped out hoops.
Phenomenal video, mr. B. Great breakdown of that situation and the cascading effects of something most will brush off as trivial or outside the scope of their life
My favorite point is when he talks about going after Uhaul and UPS trucks I would love to see Georgia go after these companies and see how far they get!!
Excellent video Ed! As others have stated, you were very well spoken and presented some excellent arguments. I love watching your videos and what you are doing with VINwiki; it's very inspiring and I hope you keep on finding success. Keep up the great work!
I live in the UK so don't have to deal with these insane laws but the way you explained it was verging on being at a uni lecture. Very interesting and perfectly put.
I love these videos with Ed in them. I remember talking to my state rep, who is a personal friend, when they started TATV and how he defended it. GA used to be so nice to buy used cars in. So easy and inexpensive (as it should be). The system favors you if you buy a car and drive it forever, something none of us do. It also killed leasing in GA for a while but I think they have fixed it. GA is stupid also because as a GA resident, I cannot register my cars there because I have an NC license (for work). How much revenue are they missing by turning down its own residents with valid ID cards. NC is worse than GA in complexity and red tape, more expensive too in most situations. Bottom line is that our politicians have turned the LE and other gov't agencies into revenue collectors and enforcers of their corrupt policies without any accountability. The LE/agency crowd have become the standing army our forefathers fought to rid the country of. +
“Let’s not disregard the fact, that sales taxes on used items are utter tyranny.”
-Ed Bolian
1000% agree. If Uncle Sam already got paid on the initial sale, why does he have to get paid over and over again as the product changes hands? Greed, that's why.
I can't love this enough.
"Kimmy, are those butt implants?"
- Ed Bolian
The entire tax code and all of are traffic laws are utter tyranny
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Ed gets very educational when he is angry.
But it's hysterical if you're competent enough to understand 😂
I feel as though Ed and I would get along very well. Great minds think alike.
@@markofexcellence5209 I feel like Ed can get along with literally anyone. He is a very social person, and can most likely befriend anyone if he really wanted to.
Justin LaBarge I think that he would be polite to anyone, but I don’t feel like he would be able to make a real friendship with someone who was radically stupid. I sure as hell can’t handle it. Maybe he can and that’s the salesmen in him.
I really love this channel and Ed. I do miss seeing rob videos though
Happy Halloween everyone! Who is dressing up as a Georgia Department of Revenue official this evening? Scariest costume of them all.
youre hilarious dude
Ill be dressing up as an officer and ill be pulling over possible police impersonators (real cops) and getting all up in their buisness. Ill let ya know who I bust.
Not as scary as the Internal Revenue Service.
@@drummerdoingstuff5020 Pull over "Mike The Cop", he will laugh his ass off. He's a great cop.
Scariest costume these days is the loading circle on VINwiki
How in the hell can a state tax you on vehicles you bring into the state when you move there??!!!! You Georgians need to march on the Capitol and end that BS
The good folks of Georgia did not want this tax, it was rammed through by the used car dealers association (lobby) that felt it unfair that private sellers of used cars was somehow unfair competition. As usual, the tax burden falls mainly on the middle class after the Great Recession.
Most states when you register your car you have to pay taxes. North Carolina is the worst you pay taxes on your car every year
California has it. In NC I payed 400 a year for my 370z. To move it to Cali registration was 3200 dollars for the California Use Tax
Davonte Little GA used to do that until about 2011. It was a small mileage rate usually about $40-70/yr for a normal car. Now it’s all up front when you attempt to register the title under a new name.
florida does to keep northerners from driving rusty junk down there when they move there. i lived there for 3 years. i kept my ohio drivers license and went back to ohio once a year for plates. it was cheaper than the impact fee
States are gonna state. Sad stuff.
Got passed by a new 911 today with Montana tags, I'm in NC, made me smile.
I see them in Texas as well at Car meets.
As you pay your fair share the guy making 500k a year isn't paying his. Fix the tax, don't let rich people evade taxes.
My 911 has Montana plates. I don’t worry. Of course I live in Montana just like both sides of my family have for over 100 years.😊
We won't spend much more time on the Montana issue here on the VINwiki channel (unless one of the two subjects of the investigation want to come in and tell their side of it) but I wanted to get some of these thoughts out there to clarify a lot of unanswered questions.
Ed: thanks for explaining what the issue was with the tax was, I have a lot more sympathy for the two guys in the middle of this now.
Been enjoyable to hear it all, Ed. Though I should note U-Hauls, like many other commercial vehicles, have apportioned registrations. So each state (and province) gets their piece of the action. TAVT sounds like a train wreck I'm happy to avoid (shoutout to buying in South Carolina, then moving to Indiana), but I figure you want to use the most effective weapons in your arsenal. :)
Considering that the cars are 'owned' by the business and it's an LLC, the owners themselves may be exempt from personal liability. You could refer the state to the 'owner in-fact', the LLC in Montana. 'They' an agent of the company or attorney representing them, can make the assertion that the car is being 1) used by an employee or agent of the business within their discretion; or 2) borrowed by an authorized party on a person use-basis, without remission of ownership on the part of the LLC. (i.e. If I lend you my car, you don't pay taxes on it, I do, as well as I retain ownership.)
Because the 'owner in-fact' still resides in Montana, they are not subject to the taxes demanded of Georgia. Georgia also cannot technically demand payment because of a lack of residence, to an entity that never existed within the confines of their state. (The sales tax is the burden of the merchant if they have that beef.) Further, the individuals can file a retort under what I believe is a rule 9A procedural failure in the court if they try to take them to court for the taxes. (Rule 9A is a requirement that the person in the civil matter must be actionable, and LLCs are designed to insulate owners from direct debt liability, so they are not.)
If one of these guys can set an antithetical legal precedent based on the legal nature of their transaction, they can refute the state's authority and clear everyone of current and former liability. (They can cite the case.) People might then buy their cars in other states, harming only the GA dealers in this process.
Ed, I can listen to your and Rob Pitts voices telling stories for hours. As a 30 year old man with ADHD that is saying a lot. I am able to focus on the issue and retain valuable information to tell friends in the car community who may not be subscribed. Thank you for being honest and, having transparency with us. You have a gift . Thank you. Sincerely, Jeff from Pennsylvania
Honestly, I don’t think it’s beneficial to them to speak about that right now. They can incriminate themselves and there is no way they can get benefited by that. Too bad the issue is not of a general public interest. People could put pressure on legislators and vote out public officials in an upcoming elections.
Ahh... the rebuttal we've all been waiting for.
Sadly... These guys are unfortunate enough to know now what gun owners in America have been dealing with for years. There's nothing better than the government saying we're going to change our reinterpret a lot and you're going to be made an instant felon overnight. I e the ATF wanting to change the ruling on a bump stock being a fully automatic weapon.
Ammo and Gear Deals after watching the rest of the video those were my thoughts exactly. Government always messing with my hobbies. Guns, cars, and cigars.
Honestly in my opinion this is just another way for the government stealing money from everyone. Just excuse to get money out of people. I do agree that it is very stupid to pay tax especially on a used car. Government never see the bigger picture and you ask why America owns so much in debt.
Are these rich people problems? Cause i dont understand a bit
Taxes are every working persons problem.
Can we just talk about how dope the Montana tag looks for a second
Yea, but, NH plates say "Live free or die" on top, which is pretty badass.
Just remember you can't have anything unless Uncle Sam can have some of it too
@@chowtownfoodreviews6679 and for $5000 you can customize one for your own cause!
@@EdBolian Like a Montana plate that says "FU Georgia!"
I'm from Montana and the best part of their plates is the selection. There is probably 60 different plates all with different colors and designs so you can pretty much find any plate to match the color of your vehicle
In this episode Ed explains what drove him to libertarianism.
AnarchoCommunism*
TAXATION
@@nickbuccini7535 anarchy and communism can't exist together. Ed describes the economic principals of libertarianism.
Taxation is theft
robert ferguson I was thinking the same thing😂😂
When I moved to GA 3 years ago I went to title my car in GA. When I moved, I owned my car outright, never made payments and had always been in my name. My car itself was worth about $5,000 but they valued it at $8,000. So I essentially had to pay the state the tax just to "re-buy" my own car at a higher value than it was worth.
Move out of that shit hole state
@@walterwhite1 It's not a shithole state YET but we are becoming one quick! We already have 2 dem senators... lol
@@user-zx1ir7jt4c dude I know all the California trash have moved to Georgia. They have destroyed the state. It is done for their implementing all the crazy lunatic San Francisco policies. Honestly you can kiss our great state of Georgia goodbye. 😢
@@walterwhite1 Yep it's about time to move but i'm going to ride it out til the bitter end!
@@user-zx1ir7jt4c sad, dont you just hate those california creeps?
And this, boys and girls, is how you form an argument.
What? Ur not supposed to just scream and yell and call the other guy a Bigot or a Racist?
@@MrWoodyBalto hahahahahaha. No Sr., there are better ways.
VERY well said!
Hands down.
As a Montana State resident, the reason vehicle registration is so cheap and accessable is because cars are a necessity for daily life because of how rural and spread out it is here. That's also the reason we have Permanent tags so you don't have to register your car every year if it's older than 10 years
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States I will never reside in, due to onerous government policy:
1. California
2. Virginia
And now:
3. Georgia
what state do you currently live in?
Virginia?
I live in Virginia....yes...its that bad....these asshole DO NOT FUCK AROUND when it comes to speeding. You can get literally jailed for speeding ten over depending on where you do it.
Oh Thank You Lord Jesus. We don't need anymore people in Cali. Especially your type.
That Virginia personal property taxes is an absolute killer man.
So basically, the best advice is "never move to Georgia"...
Ed comes along, puts a band-aide on my wound, kisses my forehead and I feel much better. Thanks.
Also, I wish the current media would take a lesson from Ed. Shows both sides of the story, then gives his informed opinion with a disclaimer. I yearn for the days of objective reporting. Dilly dilly!
I moved from TN to Georgia(about a 5 mile move) and I was unaware of the rediculous world of TAVT. When I was made aware that my 15 year old Silverado with 260k on the dash and significant cosmetic damage was going to be taxed based on a 7,000 dollar book value I just said no thanks and chose to roll the dice. The ticket for an expired tag in our county is $100. TAVT on my $1,000 old truck would be nearly 5 times that. It took me nearly 4 years to finally get cited for my expired tag. In those 4 years my truck's book value fell enough that I came out a bit ahead after the ticket and TAVT. Made me proud to be an American. #taxationistheft
Now that's civil disobedience!
Mason Twomey They don't impound vehicles where you are for expired registrations?
@@tsukisan6765 Apparantly not. If I had been pulled over again woth it expired after getting the ticket I'm sure it would have been a bigger issue.
LOL!!! I moved from West Virginia due to serious medical issues and had just bought a year earlier a "new" Buick LaCrosse from the new restyled bodies and they wanted WAY too much money to do things legally for a car Id just paid taxes on when I bought it.So,after 4 years,3 on an out of date plate,we traded it for another new car,but a Kia this time.Now that its done,I dont regret a thing.If they made it reasonable to be "legal" here without emptying your wallet I would have done it.But to pay 1/3 the value of a car in a year for taxes is ridiculous.So I guess the Georgia moral of the story is,get your crap together and people will do the right thing but if you continue on an outdated principle you will lose money in the long run. (and I liked this....#taxationistheft....)
@Charlie Vetsworth You are not very smart. You don't know the definition of "3rd World" and lack the ability to differentiate between legitimate and illegitimate taxation and government functions funded thereby.
Solid video, lots of great information, presented well, and hit just about every point of this rising problem
Thanks so much. It may fall on deaf ears but it never hurts to try.
+Ed Bolian Very true but I think people should know and learn about this and other things and you did a superb job of explaining it. great dialog, I didn't catch any "ums", or "you know" etc and that is something I can't say about the news or many other youtubers. I have a aging yet still fun 2000 911C4 and it is a great stealth sports car, thanks again, I will be watching more of your videos. Thank You.
Ed for Georgia tax commissioner!
This just in, state of Georgia population down 500,000 losing millions in tax revenue
Thats exactly what they deserve!
Hell you pay your taxes in ga and they pave their driveway with it
I mean, other than the cold weather Montana is a really nice state. Low taxes, beautiful scenery, limited traffic, and high speed limits.
I bought a sandwich in Ohio, do I have to eat it before traveling back to MI? No sales tax on prepared food in OH, but tax in MI
Sandwich smuggler! You're defrauding the state!
Seriously...
Only if you re-sell the sandwich. The new owner will have to pay the tax.
Better off not buying a sandwich in Ohio! :0)
No. Ur being absurd! but you do need to pay tax when it comes out the other end.
I love how eloquently you’ve handled this whole situation while keeping all parties (including the audience) happy.
Thanks so much. Gotta stay diplomatic while getting your real thoughts across. Happy Halloween.
Patrick Adair Designs
”Eloquently” Now that’s an English word i’ve not heard before.
@@EdBolian run for president
Eloquent is an excellent word to describe Ed Bolian,
who is probably my Fav storyteller on youtube,much less the vinwiki.
the blond guy who sold grandma the jacked up 4x4 was funny as hell,and should post more stories too.
did not expect my favorite ring maker to be a car guy!
I'm all for finding the best tax code for your situation. But if you sign a paper saying you're going to take your car out of Georgia and you don't, you should expect bad things to happen when people pay attention.
Sales tax on used cars, yearly property tax on used cars. All this is TYRANNY taxes to be taxes. Im paying taxes YEARLY on a 40 year old motorcycle with historic tags. Its fucking disgusting. I know plenty of people with tiny property in Montana for this reason. We left Britian for TAXES AND TYRANNY yet here we are.
The car belongs to a Montana LLC.
The LLC is based in Montana, obviously.
No matter where the car is, how much time it spends abroad from the state, it still belongs to the Montana LLC.
Even if the “owner” of the car and the LLC is a resident of Georgia, the LLC on paper and in legal terms is the owner of the car.
Georgia needs to get over it
Well said
No one has brought that up, how does GA transfer ownership of an LLC back to an individual, regardless of how easy it is to know who the owner is on social media, where is the paper that says that this GA resident owns that car. Makes no sense.
They are treating a loophole like a crime and that wont fly.
Juan Carlos Dominguez this is one of those cases that the state will probably lose or it will get tossed out
Rick Kruse I’m pretty sure like me as Georgia residents they paid their state incom taxes and property taxes. They paid the price to live in this state. The car does not belong to the Georgia resident. It belongs to the LLC. Why should the pay taxes on something that doesn’t belong to them?
If Georgia wants people to register cars in their state then they should change their tax laws so that they are actually reasonable
I'm tempted to register my daily driver Toyota Corolla with Montana plates just to stick it to the Georgia Department of Revenue. Come at me, bro!
Do it
Do it! According to Mr Spaghetti (Rob ferretti) it’s not worth the expensive of setting up the LLC and the ancillary costs for a basic daily (like your Corolla) but do it anyway, stick it to em!!!!
Do it. More people need to do this.
Dr. Skillz lol what a dumb comment
You’d lose money
No wonder you drive a corolla
@@DavidMossMGS are you slow? He wouldn't refer to it as a daily driver if it's the only thing he could afford or even currently own
Ed Bolian would be the obvious choice for spokesman for the entire anti-TAVT movement! Hell, he'd be the obvious choice for spokesman for anything! A VERY well spoken, eloquent, and articulate individual, for sure!
joeguitargod he talks good ! Yuuuuup 😄😄😄😄😄 I don't have drama with taxes on cars , because I am poor !😄😄
Sounds like a piece of land with a garage just over the border in SC is looking good for the Georgian exotic owner.
You articulate your point very well and intelligent.. you clearly understand the problem and solutions.. they should scrap the investigation and put you in charge..
There should never be taxes on used items, it's just double dipping. A new item is taxed and that should cover it for the life of the item regardless of it changing hands down the road.
Once again, you don't get that sales tax is collecting tax on money you spend. period. get it? you spend money, they take some of it as tax. They do this instead of income taxes or property taxes. Property tax, wtf is that, how can they keep taxing you every year on something you own. Taxes are how government get money to pay for things, they can do it all kinds of ways, but they have to do it someway. Look how Apple, Google, and every big corporation avoids paying taxes, now go complain about THAT, because that is billions of dollars they cheat you and me out of.
@@nimblemotorsports except my state sales tax on cars is only when its bought from a dealership, a private party sale has no tax. However, what Ed is saying (I could be wrong) sound like they are charging this title tax even on these private party sales, so that every time it changes hands it gets taxed. That's not right. As for taxes, what are they really going to anyway? Roads aren't great, infrastructure needs to be updated, education is poor, etc etc etc. Taxes aren't going to benefit us, they are going for private spending, whether its personal, military, foreign or whatever. At least those corporations are providing jobs and wages to people in this country, they may avoid taxes but they are doing something for us at the same time.
@Jack Murray There would never be another 'new' car sold in the U.S. (or 'new' home, or 'new' anything.) Not to mention that the various governments would raise taxes to multiple times the purchase price to cover the 'lost revenue'. Government and Business aren't stupid. Not when it comes to taxes. Government needs money. Businesses need customers. They both know how to do it and what won't work.
Nice try, but no, that's never gonna happen. If it ever did, you're quickly going to discover that the owner is "collecting" the taxes he paid because "I had to pay this much in taxes, if you want this, you have to pay me back what I paid. Why should you get this tax free?"
Like I said, not gonna happen. Everyone is too greedy.
I hate this new tax on cars. I hate property tax too. A county official told me that the residents of Georgia don't really own thier property. They are just taking care of it for the county and state.
@@nimblemotorsports those companies you name spend the most on lobbyists. Way more than evil big oil…. So let’s talk how much they pay to politicians
Ed your presentation was 100% perfect you couldn't say better I think that controversy will leave more questions than answers for most of the GA exotic cars community
If anyone understands this, it's Ed! Georgia's government ans financial services should watch this video and realize they may make a few million after all of the taxes are recovered, but they will lose much more than that in the long run.
Yeah, probably not
curtis, probably its going to be a unknown number those "small business" owners that leave the state because of Georgia tax brackets and enforcement, but at the same time while some of the hypercars will leave the state, i'm sure some of the normal people might leave for taxes in another states that are as crazy, so overall this "policy" could have a big impact on Georgia population.
Exactly, they're killing an industry for a short-gain enforcement push.
Nightowl I’m a small business owner, I pay a lot in personal vehicle state sales tax and I wouldn’t consider firing an employee if my personal tax situation changes. In general well run companies don’t employ people because they like giving people jobs out of the goodness of their hearts, those employees are essential for the day to day operations of a company so they would be hard to fire without disrupting business.
@@mitchmontona I think the point is a small business owner wouldn't necessary fire anyone but if they were suddenly faced with an immediate and unforeseen 100k cash expenditure it could potentially stifle the growth of said small business and prevent them from hiring additional employees, expanding inventory, purchasing real estate, etc. etc. etc.
Fantastic public speaking ability, covering a host of great points without terrible brain - mouth pauses, watched this a second time and it's still very solid.
Great explanation of TVAT. Now, as a NH resident, I can understand your pov. I thought my state was bad on high car registration (nevermind property tax), but Georgia is OTT.
thats why it was changed a few years ago but he fails to mention that.. you pay % of blue book for registration then only $25 every year
I agree entirely that it is Tyranny for having to pay sales tax on used vehicles.
Mooo...Mooooooo. Yes, we are their cattle. They do with us as they please. They "Tag" us, sheer us, and consume the fruits of our labor.
So long story but I'm fighting this exact situation. I bought my 458 back in August and had it registered through a Montana LLC. I own the car outright and bought it from a Texas owner and had the title and everything. I did not have plates but I drove the car with a bill of sale showing I owned the car for less than 2 weeks and even had my Montana paperwork but not the actual plates (in the mail).
I get pulled over for "speeding", I don't want to mention how fast because the officer did not clock me.
Anyways, she wants my info and I give her my Nebraska license, scanned copy of my Montana registration, as well as a bill of sale, and proof of insurance was on my phone. She not only didn't believe I owned the car but started questioning how I could afford the car and etc when I told her to run the VIN, it will not come up stolen in any database as I was the legal owner.
She calls for backup and next thing you know I have a half a dozen sheriff SUVs and a K-9 unit. All for a TRAFFIC stop.
She claims my insurance is invalid (completely valid, I'm in the insurance business), and that the car wasn't legally registered.
I showed her Nebraska law that showed that even if I had Montana plates, I would be fine as I have 30 days to register the car (unless I had the car registered in Wyoming or North Carolina), not to mention, I technically would be fine running Montana plates because as Ed stated, tons of people in many states use this to their advantage.
Long story short, I got a ticket for NO PROOF of OWNERSHIP, no insurance, and something regarding having "fake plates" when I had just a local dealership's plates on (like an ad for a buddy's dealership).
I fought this in court and long story short, my lawyers got everything thrown out since I was looking at misdemeanors with $5,000 worth of fines and up to 6 months in jail. The officer even showed up to my court date to try to tack on a speeding ticket as well.
Absolutely ludicrous and cops seriously need to find better things to do like stopping criminals like murderers instead of alleged tax cheats like myself.
Wow. Speechless. What was the cop's reaction when all the charges got dropped?
There was this great news segment in Baltimore (if you don't know one of the most dangerous in the country) and they sent out a police helicopter and dozens of police officers over people riding dirt bikes on the street.
An absolute waist of resources. Like I'm sure someone was murdered, raped, or robbed in the time that took. Police don't care for stopping real crime. No money in doing so
Mo what do you do in the insurance business?
@@NatoriousGamePlay , you talking about the 12 o' clock boys?
@@tr1llwill I don't know. I don't watch the news but I saw that specific segment
New Hampshire, Arizona, Oregon, South Carolina... take your pick 😎
Interesting🤔
Nope- here in NH we only have 2 taxes: property and car registration. They are both huge!! My 2016 VW golf cost $400 to register.
You cant buy a car in Oregon unless your a resident. People from Washington used to go to Oregon to buy cars tax free, but that was stopped.
Doug Montgomery That’s really stupid. Dealers in OR must hate that. In northeastern states, tax is payed when you register the vehicle. I live on the Mass/NH line and we have a HUGE Porsche dealer in Nashua. And yes many Ma people come up but they still have to pay tax.
South Carolina makes you prove residence if you do not have a SC drivers license. Gas bill, electric bill, etc. Believe they have a $300 cap on vehicle sales tax. So its gonna be a no in SC unless you have a residence.
3:52 if you want to see what Ed's shirt actually says. Now you can actually listen to him instead of spending the whole video hoping he'll move his leg.
Yes, unfortunate leg placement, but it was comfortable.
Hey, that DC thing! Appropriated and manipulated ;)
Never got the, 'I'm rich, deal with it' feel from Ed until this video.
finally some context about this TATV situation in Georgia, from someone who has some intimate awareness. I'm from another country but have been following the developments on VinWiki. Thanks Ed!
Love the Channel and the VINwiki app thanks guys
I cringe too, at all of the heavy handed, governmental overreach.
wtf overreach? No this is paying taxes on 100k cars so the average person doesn't start paying Canadian level taxes
Maybe no one would have to pay Canadian level taxes if we didn't have a ludicrous welfare state.
@@odethious5639 wtf ludicrous? In what world is $500 a month for welfare in the 2nd most expensive city in the country too much?
I cringe at your overuse of talking points and no understanding of why (some) exist in the first place.
@@MrEeeaddict
That's still $500 more than it should be.
It is not an attack, it is getting rich people to pay their fair share. I wish them luck.
Love the explanation Ed. Great video. Georgia should have said to the owners, "Until now you have been allowed to do "this". From now on you won't." Not only in Georgia, there is far too much government in our lives.
Doug Tabbutt = nice cars, Ed = not nice cars. Got it.
Lol
I think it's more that Doug looks for the best version of a car he can find to flip quickly with no issues or chance of being stuck with a car no one wants while Ed looks for the most storied. Lol. I believe it's even been covered in a video on here by one or both of them.
@@JC-11111 I usually look for literally the worst example I can find.
Its funny youre saying the cars are the worst versions cuz here in finland anything that ismt a skoda is a great car
I feel like Ed would make a great Pirate Captain
He could literally talk you through him stealing your ship and you would still think you've been give the best deal
@@lachystaats9851 I can wear an eyepatch on either eye!
Hey, that's not piracy, we are just out to enjoy our ships, in neutral waters, flying other state's flag, duty free.
Ed, please become the next President of the United States of the World.
Ed for President 2020
Sadly, I'm sure it would be another case of "the people best equipped are too smart to get involved."
yes!!
President Bolian will use his shrewd negotiation to end wars and bring world peace.
You mean of America... United states does not own or even run the world.
The rare passionate Ed showed up for this video. Usually we get shrewed negotiator Ed. :)
The amount of stuff Ed knows about cars that goes beyond just cars themselves is crazy.
MOVE. Take the revenue right out of Georgia.
Rnie Jx4 although this would never happen, I would love for the top 5% rich people in Ga would just pack up and leave. Let’s how the government likes it when 70% of the states money leaves and goes to Alabama lol
Move to Texas if you want to remain in the South. No state income tax. Wyoming is the other no income tax state.
@@houseofno WA, FL, TN, SD, AK, NV
@@houseofno still has sales tax on vehicles worse than SC
Well thats a solid reason to not move to atlanta when I already fully own my car
pancakeninja27 same
@@mousek801 Ed just said they charge this TVAT even if you already own the car when you buy Georgia plates. That is a scam and a half.
When I moved to MD there were no taxes if you switch the title within 30 days of taking residence. After that you pay the difference in tax between the previous state and MD. Just enough leverage to keep people honest.
@@v12alpine That certainly is more reasonable. I don't see why Georgia thinks they are entitled to taxes on property already owned by the person when they move into the state when no transfer of ownership has occurred.
A person, like me, with a collection of old cars would not be able to move to that state at all.
This dude is actually a genius low key
Not sure about that but I am glad the point seems to have been conveyed.
No, it’s fuckin high key. I don’t know half the words he used and this video still made 100% sense lmao
@@EdBolian The rest of us are pretty sure. You have made more than one successful small business, figured out how to beat the cannonball record so much that no one will do better (at least until I try lol), I could go on but I think we should count you as a genius just for those 2 things.
Meanwhile in Massachusetts Car tax, si tax (tax on car every year), tolls, yearly inspection on car $35,, registration fees every few years and guess what the roads are some of the worst in the country. I don't know where this money goes
I recently bought a car for $7,000. I didn't mind the $7k, or the insurance increase, or the cost of registration, or even the eventual cost of maintenance. What bothered me was the check I had to write for $490 in sales taxes, on a used car, and the amount I'll pay each year until it's 15 years old in excise taxes. The government doesn't even do an adequate job paving streets and yet they seem entitled to a large (relatively speaking) chunk of cash. Thieves is all they are.
They gotta fund those pensions somehow.
Rhode Island has something similar to Tatv. I bought a rusty $1800 Miata with 220,000miles, but we have something called a CPI (Cars of particular interest). It’s a list of more desirable or (collector) cars. Most cars in RI are taxed by KKB value. But cars on the CPI list are valued on a special book value. So even though I overpaid for my $1800 rusty 220k mile Miata, the DMV still valued it at $6500. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Miata sell for more then $5k I’m the past 5 years. The list can be incredibly vague too. The Miata and RX7 are specifically on the list, but also on the list they just list BMW. So according to this list, a 2002 BMW X3 is just as desirable as a M3/M4/M5 or any other BMW. They do this for Mercedes as well. The car tax in this entire country is a complete mess.
Great video Ed. This really cleared up a lot of my questions with this situation. Can't wait for my Montana taxation shirt to come in!
Thank you. Wear it proud!
I like Ed's taste of cars to picks vehicle ownership. Man the government shady business. Owning a exotic car is a stress reliever. I know who to call if I have any questions... Ed
Ed just wanted to say you deliver your stories and drive home the point perfectly. love the channel
I say, "Live Free or Die", baby!
Let them register cars here for all I care, beyond the fact we have no sales taxes whatsoever. And there is no insurance requirements in NH either.
Ed for president. Can i get an AMEN!
Gerry Wilson amen
@@josephmcclain915 Baaaha
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Seriously - can Ed just run for office already?
@@jondawg116 President is not allowed to drive. Can't get onboard for that.
You can fill a form out to argue the state value of your car down to pay less. My dad was the first to do it in my town and he argued the value of the car by half and was refunded half of what he already payed to the state.
I did this as well. I think they knocked 30% off the tax. Didn't match what it should have been, based on the fact that it was a salvage rebuildable title, but it's always worth filling out that form.
J T it helps to include photos of the car and damages to help argue the value down too especially since the paint is literally falling off the S55.
You should run for office.
How about when they were taxing leases as full purchases. I ended up paying taxes twice for a car I leased and later purchased, ridiculous.
I absolutely understand if people believe the laws and unfair, oppressive and unacceptable. I absolutely agree that state taxes are meant to make a state preferable to other states. I even agree that the current Georgia taxes make little sense.
However, just because you don't like a law does not mean you get to ignore it. You can fight to change the law into something that makes more sense, you can move to another place with better laws.
Sure exotic car owners may experience financial hardship and may have to sell some of their cars. Their businesses may experience slower growth. But if they could afford to own exotic cars they were not putting the money into salaries and growth, and they have enough income to afford paying the taxes.
If they wanted to grow their business they wouldn't tie up their wealth in luxury purchases, they'd use the money to invest in their business. A person who behaves this way, crying about taxes and how they're hurting their business while maintaining multiple exotic cars is a drain on their community. They don't want to create more jobs via business investment, they want to put their wealth in appreciating tax advantaged luxury items; hence all the moaning over paying taxes on "used cars."
Thanks for making this video. 100% how I feel too. Especially your comment about states collecting tax every time a vehicle changes hands.
GA really is overreaching with this. Well spoken rebuttal of their tatics. There are so many ways this could have gone down nicely but they are not doing it that way.
in this case Taxation = Theft. even with a friend of mine he bought a subaru legacy gt 2.5l Turbo 5sp that had a blown motor for $1000. he bought a replacement motor (EJ20DET) and installed it him self. he was charged 460 dollars for his registration. 300 of witch was tax because they put it in kbb and chose the highest dollar amount as its value. witch was around 5500 bucks. if this car was sold again as it sits now it will most likely get 3500 bucks.
Taxation is always Theft because it's NOT voluntary!
@@Aseutester so do you know how to build your own road to travel? when you need the police i truly hope they don't show up
Hey Smart Ass....Do you actually know just how much of your tax is spent on Roads, hospitals and cops wages...? In Relation to how much is boosted and milked that you never see again? Probably not....so wise up...
Muh roads! 😂
I know you posted this on Halloween, but please let the witches trick or treat; *_which_* is what they really want to to do.
I recently relocated to the Atlanta Metro area and my good friend told me - if you have any out of state plates on your vehicle after six months Georgia DOR will come after you. And the state I left - they taxed on KBB values. I'm sorry - but cars are personal property and as such should not be taxed. And you could always file suit against the state. :)
I personally just don’t like the argument that tax can make a car unaffordable because you really should only buy the car if you can afford it
Excellent response ed. This is why i come to this channel.
To the person who you say is paying this tax or hiring someone... how about they hire someone and drive a 10,000 used wrx not a supercar. No one "living on the ragged edge", owns a supercar....
The problem with this logic is that Georgia is setting arbitrary values for the tax amount on vehicles, rather than basing it on sales price. Someone may purchase a used Gallardo, register it under a perfectly legal Montana, and now owe upwards of $9K. Georgia says they cap at 9% of fair market value, but what they consider fair is based on how much money they want, it could easily be $20K if you go by MSRP instead of market values. All of a sudden your used Lamborghini is costing you a significant portion of its value, meaning unless you can float the cash, you will be forced to sell the asset to pay the tax, or use another asset to do the same. If it gets sold, now the buyer has to pay the tax again.
Within a few sales the state of Georgia has collected more in tax than the car is worth.
@@alexz1232 I get that and thinks its pretty unfair and fucked but its also fucked that small business owner thinks he should buy a lambo if he in reality cant afford it with fudging the system.
Very good rebuttal. Obviously many strange laws in Georgia. Just for the record if buying a car new or used here in NJ Its a 6 pct tax to title plus the price of registration and tags is additional. Did I mention that each of my motorcycles cost $65 except my antique but to register my Toyota is $42.50. For all the rich people crying , most all of us not only pay interest on the loan of the car but also pay interest on the sales tax that is usually amertised into the loan if you buy inside the state. So do I feel bad that the rich don't like paying. No.
Dont you feel if you buy a used car that 6% is ridiculous? We arent supposed to be taxed upon taxed according to the constitution. Rich or poor why is this acceptable? The car was taxed once when it was new. Also if someone wants something nice like a car most of the time they barely drive,its fine for them to pay as you do. If registration is used for road maintenance as they claim, why would we not charge registration by mileage? If someone for example has a Toyota car and drove it 35,000 but another person has a La Ferrari and they drove it 200 miles. Why would the La Ferrari have to pay $20,000 in registration and tags? It was barely in use. Also when someone buys the La Ferrari and they pay lets say 10% sells tax, that person has payed plenty of tax. When it came into production it was at 2 million and now I believe is 4 million. Would it not $400,000 in sales tax be enough?
That's why I'm thankful to live in Florida. Not only can you register anything you want, the tax isn't ridiculous either. I registered my 20 year old F150 a few months ago. When asked how much I paid for the vehicle, I said "Nothing, it was a gift" (it was). I ended up only having to pay a new vehicle registration and a new tag without having to pay any tax on the vehicle itself.
At the end of the day, Ed has the best analogies on youtube.
I was genuinely considering moving to Georgia because of the car culture, huge airport, and the architecture there. But I think I'll just stay here in Arizona, where things tend to not get messed with.
Didn’t really know about TAVT, I literally will not move to Georgia because of this. I just paid $5k in taxes/title/fees here in FL, not going to do it again just because GA didn’t get a cut of it initially.
Almost every state will charge you tax for registering a vehicle when you move to their state. I've kept Texas plates on one of my cars in 2 different states over 8 years and just claim lm in town for business.
skitzhh Florida is something like a flat $275, that’s way more fair imo
@@hacked2123 but is it really fair to pay $245 when you already paid taxes on the vehicle once.
skitzhh to register sure. But to pay a vehicle tax a second time is wrong
Tavt no longer exists it was changed years ago you pay blue book for registration then its only $25 per vehicle a year
Sound bite at 4:53 - 5:03 best explanation of how taxes work in history! Well said Mr. Bolian
Jesus...someone finally gets my point. Is a car changes hands 3 times in a month, the government gets paid 3 times. Tyranny is being kind.
Ed, you are a gentleman and a scholar! I enjoyed your perspective on taxation. Keep up the great work!
Thank God I'm in South Carolina where sales tax is 500 maximum. Sure we pay property tax every year but it's not that bad
Brooks Flickinger I’m moving to Charleston soon for the navy, is it true that there’s no emissions or annual inspection? I’m coming from California with the strictest emissions laws in the country.
Brooks Flickinger but South Carolina is boring af.
You have to pay property tax in every state, which sucks. "You'll never actually own your home in the United States, technically". I love states with low or no sales or income tax. Ones with high rates on both suck!
SC did away with annual vehicle inspections many years ago, and has no STATE smog check requirements.
@@thatoneotherotherguy that property tax was implemented to make sure by our owners since we are merely workers of the modernized plantation, that we can never truly be free and no slave can permanently own land, only own to rent.
That’s why we like you Ed
According to NADA I have $84,225 worth of cars.
If I moved to GA @ 7% taxes I would have to pay $5,900 just to bring my cars in?
My cars are more realistically worth $20,500 But I paid nothing close to that because they were all clapped out hoops.
it goes by blue book
Phenomenal video, mr. B. Great breakdown of that situation and the cascading effects of something most will brush off as trivial or outside the scope of their life
Ed, that was a great and powerful statement to close this video. Keep up the great work!
My favorite point is when he talks about going after Uhaul and UPS trucks I would love to see Georgia go after these companies and see how far they get!!
UPS probably has been a significant backer of enough national and Georgia politicians that they don't have to worry about it ever happening.
Last time I was this early, I hadn’t seen Ed so incensed...get em, Ed!
I always love watching videos that Ed makes I always learn something I didn't know every time I watch and it's very educational to me
I swear Ed is a genius
Ed, you are the man! 😎👍
Just downloaded the VINWiki app. Pretty good so far.
Thank you!
Very well said Ed! You can be objective when appropriate but still entitled to your own PERSON opinion.
Ed is a savior from heaven! Thank you😀
Excellent video Ed! As others have stated, you were very well spoken and presented some excellent arguments. I love watching your videos and what you are doing with VINwiki; it's very inspiring and I hope you keep on finding success. Keep up the great work!
I live in the UK so don't have to deal with these insane laws but the way you explained it was verging on being at a uni lecture. Very interesting and perfectly put.
Love this man!!!
Watched his every story!!!!!!!!!!😀
So? Montana tea party? Or would it be Georgia tea party?
Lmmfao
Thank you for your channel the vinwiki crew rock thumbs up stay Awsome.
I love these videos with Ed in them. I remember talking to my state rep, who is a personal friend, when they started TATV and how he defended it. GA used to be so nice to buy used cars in. So easy and inexpensive (as it should be). The system favors you if you buy a car and drive it forever, something none of us do. It also killed leasing in GA for a while but I think they have fixed it. GA is stupid also because as a GA resident, I cannot register my cars there because I have an NC license (for work). How much revenue are they missing by turning down its own residents with valid ID cards. NC is worse than GA in complexity and red tape, more expensive too in most situations. Bottom line is that our politicians have turned the LE and other gov't agencies into revenue collectors and enforcers of their corrupt policies without any accountability. The LE/agency crowd have become the standing army our forefathers fought to rid the country of. +
this is the info we’ve all be waiting for and needed. much appreciated.