That's a great video on micro hydro power! If you're looking for a portable power solution, I highly recommend the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series. It offers a massive capacity of up to 5kWh, fast recharging, and versatile sockets for all your outdoor needs. Check it out!
Brings back memories of the 17kw MH plant I built in western NC back in 1981. It ran for over 20 years. The Pelton wheel I designed hangs on my office wall.
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
@@lionelcox9119 The laws of physics won't allow it, specifically conservation of energy. You can't get more energy out of something that what you put in, you would lose energy powering the pump to move the water. What you describe is known as a "pumped hydro system" except that it only stores energy by pumping water uphill using solar/wind power then when the water runs back downhill through a generator you gain most of the energy back using water as a battery instead of expensive lithium batteries.
That's a really impressive setup! In theory if you were to use the same amount of copper, you could get *slightly* better efficiency by having the rectifiers at the source and running the DC power down the conduit. That's because once rectified, the voltage is higher and current is lower for the same amount of power, meaning you have fewer resistive losses. However, it probably makes more sense to have as much of the complex equipment inside as possible. I really like the redundancy.
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
Love your MH system. I also got all my my equipment for my MH system from Spencer. He is a God send to me. Couldn’t have built mine without his time, knowledge and most of all patience with me. My measurements are bit different. I have two turbines also and my flow is from 100 gpm to over 600 gpm. My penstock is 900 ft 8” pvc making around 1.8kw.
A guy featured on gridlessness had a killer hydroelectric system.. he dug a square hole and lined it with timbers. It was a silt pond basically that he only had to clean out once per year. Guy was generating so much power that he would occasionally have to dump hot water from his hot water heater in order to consume the power..
That's awesome. When he talks about the coils in the pipe and not being able to ever get the pipe straight, in my experience tying a rope around one end and fixing it to something like a tree and then tying the rope around the other end and tying that to a vehicle such as a quad bike, ute, tractor or what ever you have and driving it out straight and tight, leaving it for a day in the sun like that will get it pretty straight. My family and I are in horticulture and do this every year
Fantastic example and video! Well explained and descriptive of all the components and caveats. What a kindness to all of us planning micro hydro systems. Thank you!
Yeah till he talked about "surge" protectors and told people how they do the job of a lighting arrestor. Surge protectors don't protect against lighting as dude claims, sad no one else realized, that same lie just gets parroted over and over.
That's very nice and impressive also it's a really good idea having lightning surge protectors on his solar incoming from the grid very well thought out and planned for whatever life or nature throws his way.
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
Nice setup. I have the exact same inverter, charge controller, and batteries. 2 notes: 1) I'd be REALLY interested in seeing your conext settings (specifically, your grid/grid support/inverter charger/charge controller settings.) and 2) There is a firmware update for the batteries that lets you do closed loop communications with the XW pro (if you have the insight home gateway) Allows you to remotely monitor/configure your system and would allow you to remove that batterymon as it serves the same purpose (After the firmware update, it shows up in the config screen exactly as the battmon does)
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
You could think about the animals that suffer from buying commercial electricity and which would be better you moving a few critters or fuel and power industry that kills more animals than you ever saw..... Just keep on paying them to do so I reckon.... A fam will harm far fewer animals than the industry they pay for services will. Consumerism is why we have so many animals dying out.
Thank you for watching. In the next week or so I'll be posting the longer version of this video. Jay goes into much more detail on his system. Things he would have done differently or things that have worked out well.
This is a small version of what I'd call a dream system. My only question is why pump from a well when you could collect and filter the stream water somewhere uphill also? Sorry if that's a dumb question.
Cool design. With the amount of drop you have there are other forces you can use for additional electrical generation. Also why not run the stream water thru a filtration system and a UV light for your water instead of the deep well?
From my research I believe that by placing the diode where you did place it was a good idea. The alternating current from the alternators well have less current and voltage loss. It was smart not to convert it until you got to your battery room. If you had placed the diode close to the alternator you would have had to install a lot larger gauge wire adding a great higher cost to your install. Larger pipe would have increased your water force/ power to the alternator. You still did a great job. I will acknowledge that you have limited water volume. Maybe a 24 or 36 Volt alternator in your next project. Power inverters are more efficient when higher dc voltage is used.
@4:53 What's unsightly is that wire hanging out of that elbow fitting and the cover, should have used larger conduit rather than nullify it by not having the wire sealed up in it... I don't do much better though, I'd just forget the conduit and have a bare romex wire there lol. IF I bothered to spend the money on condiut though the wire would be all inside, had a huge fight with some 2ga 4conductor service wire so I get it, but that 10ga wire is tiny, make it work.
Well once he started talking about surge protectors then any electrician would have to laugh since surge protectors are not "lightning arrestors", sadly there is alot of bad info being parroted in ignorance over and over.
Please tell your friend to look at Class T fuses. They are necessary for arc flash protection when using LifePo4 or any high density high discharge power source.
I’d really like to get into hydro since I life on a decent size creek. But just have so much invested into solar right now because it was a quicker fix for me needing power Cool video bro 👍🏼❗️❕❗️❕ I just actually bought 3 of those batteries I wish I could have afforded the 6 battery rack but WOW $9,000 3 is good for now
Solar is certainly a good way to start nothing wrong with upgrading in the future to add an additional power input with hydro. Batteries are rather expensive. Especially to have enough to run your entire house.
Wonderful video. If he was willing to share, I would love to know costs and savings per month. This has become a dream of mine and I want a bit more insight to that stuff to keep building the dream :D
Great job. Why dont microhydro DiY guys use the ground as it was intended, running proper wires and bonding devices properly is ideal. Good video though, lots of time and $$$ went into that one, for sure.
My personal system does use 10/3 wire to go from the turbine to the house. Seems to be working well. I think a lot of these DIY folks like to save a little bit of money on wire cost. I personally prefer to spend a little more money on wire and have the proper size.
Great video !! Are you running the 2 turbines connected together to one terminal from the bridge rectified current in series ? Or are they connected to 2 different inputs in the controller
He should add solar to it. With the bigger batteries that will reduce the bill significantly. We have 20 solar panels and with those we paid back the cost of 6 panels in less than a year. High energy prices really mitigate the cost.
Nice video and control instruments explanation. As a western NC guy also, do you experience these 3 feet flash floods we get 3 to 5 times a year? And does the reservoir system hold up or need constant high levels of maintenance?
I'm also in Western North Carolina and get those random Flash floods couple times a year. One time my 30 gallons a minute Creek was flowing at 450 gallons. The dam that was Built in this video coupled with the coanda screen do extremely well even in flood conditions.
I'm quite the newbie when it comes to all this sort of stuff. What happens in the event the batteries are full and you aren't consuming the full output of the turbines? That extra production needs to go somewhere or the turbines need to decrease output, right?
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
No such thing as a bad idea so hear me out instead of a water turbine or a water wheel which normally need a high flow rate and pressure for the needed rpm and load I’ve been thinking instead of using the flow and pressure of the water for power instead use the weight of water using a water convayorbelt with bucket bolted to it so each one could be filled with better control so less waste and pressure needed and the longer the belt the more weight to drive a gearbox or a big pulley to a really small one for the required rpm what do you think
I've seen videos of water wheels made from buckets. But I'm not sure about the conveyor belt idea. Are you saying that a bucket would be attached to a convert belt in a vertical orientation? That would allow the weight of the water to pull the belt down?
No channel. Next I have a longer version of his explanation coming to Land To House. He goes into detail on things that worked well and things that he would change.
Jay, which part of WNC are you in ? I'm trying to build something similar and would like to pick your brain a bit on terrain choice. I have a very similar setup, but I also have a pond I can suck water out, and was wondering if its better to use the pond as a battery vs capturing it at the very top of the waterfall.
Both myself and Jay worked with Langston's alternative power. A wealth of knowledge and ready to share. I put a link to the website in the description. Mr Langston is definitely able to help you with a lot of your questions.
Probably a good thing to have water rights when you do have a property like that....I can see some neighbors in areas trying to sue for disrupting their flow. Its a pretty low quality set up but like he said its what he could afford. Good for what it is!
Electric pumps have an efficiency as do the turbine. Lets say both are 80% efficient. You will constantly be losing 40% of the potential of the water with each cycle.
What he's paying for grid power, I'd learn to live without until i got more batteries and bigger turbines. Then save and buy a whole home generator or a wind generator
Sorry Kris Harbour's RUclips channel ... he is in the UK and he runs a single turbine approx 600 watts I think but he uses an old electric forklift battery pack for storage .... he can run everything including his 3phase equipment off his setup .... really worth wile viewing
I've been following his channel for a couple of years. Wild that he gained 200,000 subscribers last year. Great content and seems like a fun guy to be around.
@@SpencerLAPower the turbine is happy to free spin without a load? Makes sense to have it dumping into an electric hot water system or something to take advantage of the power!
Yes the turbine can free Spin once it's unloaded with no problem but it is more energy efficient to dump the load somewhere using a solid state relay triggered by the charge controller. Adding more batteries usually takes care of this in those cases.
My personal hydro system is coupled with solar. When the sun is out the solar power takes over and the hydro unit often times will free spin for up to an hour at a time. There is no dump load on my hydro system and it has worked out fine for over a year.
His system is connected to the grid, why not dump the electricity into the grid to earn some extra money? That's what my solar is doing, if batteries are fully charged, the rest is dumped into the grid to make some money...
The coanda intake screen is costly at around $1200. The 3" pipe after C19 is also high at over $3 per foot. The PMA is around $1100. All said and done this type install is around $10k. The payback is around $1250 a year.
Is there a way to use solar to give the 2 turbines power to run this system? i understand the turbines create energy that is being stored in solar batteries but if i wanted to use the energy my turbines are generating for something else as perpetual power is this possible?
Water Is the Input Force! It spins Pelton Wheels, that drive the Alternators! If the water stops flowing, so does the Input Energy! Solar PV can, apparently, be added as another input at his Inverter. Adding another 800 Watts of Solar PV, would be great for adding power when people are typically using it! However, he is "Selectively" off Grid, per his controller settings mentioned! The Solar PV add, would improve the "Off Grid" time! And be useful, when he adds those new batteries!
@8:05 Those "surge protectors" are not "lightning arrestors" that is just ignorant, they only protect against SURGES not lighting strikes, do some more reading. There is a HUGE difference as well as in price lol. Surge protectors are good, don't get me wrong, but they aren't for dealing with lighting strikes but rather surges from large draw equipment turning off/on that creates power surges (you notice them when your lights flicker), that is what a surge protector is for. The fact this wasn't properly dealt with really is sus about the integrity of the information given on this channel.... I know it's petty bit it's not a hard thing to know what a surge protector is for given a person is playing the role of a electrician giving advice.
Nice set up…. I was just wondering did you get help setting this system up? My wife and I purchased a place a couple years ago and we have a continuous flow of water and i would like to get some kind of a system set up to produce my own electric I’m not sure what exactly I would need and what to buy as proper equipment and the what works best. So I was wondering if you could get back with me thank you. Have a good day.
Another full Hydro install:
ruclips.net/video/f62o9SNwmEU/видео.html
That's a great video on micro hydro power! If you're looking for a portable power solution, I highly recommend the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series. It offers a massive capacity of up to 5kWh, fast recharging, and versatile sockets for all your outdoor needs. Check it out!
Brings back memories of the 17kw MH plant I built in western NC back in 1981. It ran for over 20 years. The Pelton wheel I designed hangs on my office wall.
So why did ya quit¿ And do you have any videos of it, I did look at your channel but well I don't have long enough to look through all those...
@@PatrickBaptistI didn't, 44 years still working in hydro.
That’s really nice. I wish I had a good water source like that on my property
200gpm + is a great flow. Very nice to have.
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
@@lionelcox9119 i came to say the same concept. That's why im here currently studying closed circut
@@lionelcox9119 The laws of physics won't allow it, specifically conservation of energy. You can't get more energy out of something that what you put in, you would lose energy powering the pump to move the water. What you describe is known as a "pumped hydro system" except that it only stores energy by pumping water uphill using solar/wind power then when the water runs back downhill through a generator you gain most of the energy back using water as a battery instead of expensive lithium batteries.
Jay is so well spoken and comfortable in front of the camera. Does he have a RUclips channel of his own?
Thanks for the tour Jay
That is pretty cool nice that your getting 800w 24/7, nice setup you have there.
Thanks for not running the creek dry,the critters thank you for it.
Did you watch the video? There is 60gpm to 100gpm flowing in the creek passing the hydro system.
@@LandtoHouse I did watch it, and was commending you on being thoughtful. Great build.
@@upaiaq my bad! I read that all wrong! Thanks. Jay did a great job on this install.
That's a really impressive setup! In theory if you were to use the same amount of copper, you could get *slightly* better efficiency by having the rectifiers at the source and running the DC power down the conduit. That's because once rectified, the voltage is higher and current is lower for the same amount of power, meaning you have fewer resistive losses. However, it probably makes more sense to have as much of the complex equipment inside as possible.
I really like the redundancy.
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
Love your MH system. I also got all my my equipment for my MH system from Spencer. He is a God send to me. Couldn’t have built mine without his time, knowledge and most of all patience with me. My measurements are bit different. I have two turbines also and my flow is from 100 gpm to over 600 gpm. My penstock is 900 ft 8” pvc making around 1.8kw.
Jay has built a well thought out system. Very Nice work!
He started off right by getting the coanda. That intake saves a lot of headache.
@@LandtoHouse I concur. I watched you struggle with the inlet until that coanda came along.
I also like his shed to house the turbines.
Checkout SethCraft my shop channel:
www.youtube.com/@sethcraftworkshop
A guy featured on gridlessness had a killer hydroelectric system.. he dug a square hole and lined it with timbers. It was a silt pond basically that he only had to clean out once per year. Guy was generating so much power that he would occasionally have to dump hot water from his hot water heater in order to consume the power..
That's awesome. When he talks about the coils in the pipe and not being able to ever get the pipe straight, in my experience tying a rope around one end and fixing it to something like a tree and then tying the rope around the other end and tying that to a vehicle such as a quad bike, ute, tractor or what ever you have and driving it out straight and tight, leaving it for a day in the sun like that will get it pretty straight. My family and I are in horticulture and do this every year
Good idea. I have a longer version of this video coming. He actually flipped a tractor trying to do that with the 3" pipe. Crazy!
Thanks Jay for sharing, clearly, your neat system! That was very enjoyable.
Fantastic example and video! Well explained and descriptive of all the components and caveats. What a kindness to all of us planning micro hydro systems. Thank you!
Yeah till he talked about "surge" protectors and told people how they do the job of a lighting arrestor. Surge protectors don't protect against lighting as dude claims, sad no one else realized, that same lie just gets parroted over and over.
That's very nice and impressive also it's a really good idea having lightning surge protectors on his solar incoming from the grid very well thought out and planned for whatever life or nature throws his way.
Absolutely! He has a clean setup. Soon I am goingbto convert my system to look like this. I will share more detail on the surge protectors.
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
Nice setup. I have the exact same inverter, charge controller, and batteries. 2 notes: 1) I'd be REALLY interested in seeing your conext settings (specifically, your grid/grid support/inverter charger/charge controller settings.) and 2) There is a firmware update for the batteries that lets you do closed loop communications with the XW pro (if you have the insight home gateway) Allows you to remotely monitor/configure your system and would allow you to remove that batterymon as it serves the same purpose (After the firmware update, it shows up in the config screen exactly as the battmon does)
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
Beautiful work.
I still wish I could have a system like that
A lot of thought went into installing this system. The creek flowing 200gpm or more is so nice.
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
Always think about the animals too, when building something like this! 😊
You could think about the animals that suffer from buying commercial electricity and which would be better you moving a few critters or fuel and power industry that kills more animals than you ever saw..... Just keep on paying them to do so I reckon....
A fam will harm far fewer animals than the industry they pay for services will. Consumerism is why we have so many animals dying out.
I appreciate every video on Micro Hydro - l'm looking to build a system on my property here in Costa Rica
Thank you for watching. In the next week or so I'll be posting the longer version of this video. Jay goes into much more detail on his system. Things he would have done differently or things that have worked out well.
We ship to Costa Rica.
you can increase your efficiency by eliminating all of the right angles in your plumbing configuration.
This is a small version of what I'd call a dream system. My only question is why pump from a well when you could collect and filter the stream water somewhere uphill also? Sorry if that's a dumb question.
Possibly, another 1,000 Feet of Pipe, some Tanking or Reservoir, might still need a Cycling Pressure Pump, depending on "Reservoir Size & Budget!"
I’m sure it’s pretty common but there is something sisyphean about using hydro power to pump water
I need motors to create one like that. Water source is best here.
Impressive work!
I'd like to know more about setting up such a system, especially the costing part of it.
Thanks Bro
Cool design. With the amount of drop you have there are other forces you can use for additional electrical generation.
Also why not run the stream water thru a filtration system and a UV light for your water instead of the deep well?
Very nice thanks for doing the video.
Definitely recommend a rackmount for those batteries
Awesome 👌 ... well done
From my research I believe that by placing the diode where you did place it was a good idea.
The alternating current from the alternators well have less current and voltage loss.
It was smart not to convert it until you got to your battery room.
If you had placed the diode close to the alternator you would have had to install a lot larger gauge wire adding
a great higher cost to your install.
Larger pipe would have increased your water force/ power to the alternator.
You still did a great job. I will acknowledge that you have limited water volume.
Maybe a 24 or 36 Volt alternator in your next project. Power inverters are more efficient when higher dc voltage is used.
The DC Voltage going in to the charge controller is around 300 volts .
This video was amazing thank you
Thanks for watching!
Nice Video, cool Dude, presenting and explaining like boss :)!
The longer version is coming up next.
@4:53 What's unsightly is that wire hanging out of that elbow fitting and the cover, should have used larger conduit rather than nullify it by not having the wire sealed up in it... I don't do much better though, I'd just forget the conduit and have a bare romex wire there lol. IF I bothered to spend the money on condiut though the wire would be all inside, had a huge fight with some 2ga 4conductor service wire so I get it, but that 10ga wire is tiny, make it work.
so many exposed live wires :O that's kinda terrifying
Very cool stuff !
Thanks its a nice system!
Well explained. Thanks
Thanks for watching! The longer version will be out next.
Well once he started talking about surge protectors then any electrician would have to laugh since surge protectors are not "lightning arrestors", sadly there is alot of bad info being parroted in ignorance over and over.
That was awesome
Jay is a nice guy to spend the afternoon with. His system is clean and working well.
Curious if permits are needed to tap into a creek.
Please tell your friend to look at Class T fuses. They are necessary for arc flash protection when using LifePo4 or any high density high discharge power source.
Interesting. Thank you for the heads up.
I’d really like to get into hydro since I life on a decent size creek. But just have so much invested into solar right now because it was a quicker fix for me needing power
Cool video bro 👍🏼❗️❕❗️❕
I just actually bought 3 of those batteries I wish I could have afforded the 6 battery rack but WOW $9,000 3 is good for now
Solar is certainly a good way to start nothing wrong with upgrading in the future to add an additional power input with hydro. Batteries are rather expensive. Especially to have enough to run your entire house.
Wonderful video. If he was willing to share, I would love to know costs and savings per month. This has become a dream of mine and I want a bit more insight to that stuff to keep building the dream :D
What a awesome set up. Can I ask what the cost involved was?
You should check out the LTO 66160 battery’s
the focus...
You need to clarify. Is this 800 watts per hour? Per minute?
Where did you buy that 3 inch poly tubing?
Great job.
Why dont microhydro DiY guys use the ground as it was intended, running proper wires and bonding devices properly is ideal.
Good video though, lots of time and $$$ went into that one, for sure.
My personal system does use 10/3 wire to go from the turbine to the house. Seems to be working well. I think a lot of these DIY folks like to save a little bit of money on wire cost. I personally prefer to spend a little more money on wire and have the proper size.
Please tell me where I can source the polyethylene pipe in 3" and 4" sizes?
Great video !!
Are you running the 2 turbines connected together to one terminal from the bridge rectified current in series ? Or are they connected to 2 different inputs in the controller
The rectifiers are in series to double the voltage for the high voltage charge controller
@@SpencerLAPower that’s pretty cool man I didn’t think that was possible never seen anyone do it anyway can you parallel them to keep voltage lower ?
Yes you can parallel them to cut the voltage in half
@@SpencerLAPower that’s cool I’ll definitely look into it cheers for that
He should add solar to it. With the bigger batteries that will reduce the bill significantly.
We have 20 solar panels and with those we paid back the cost of 6 panels in less than a year. High energy prices really mitigate the cost.
Good idea. Combining solar with hydro is a great way to increase production. My personal system has both solar and hydro.
No sediment filter?
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So if it’s running from water do you have a bill at all ?
Nice video and control instruments explanation. As a western NC guy also, do you experience these 3 feet flash floods we get 3 to 5 times a year? And does the reservoir system hold up or need constant high levels of maintenance?
I'm also in Western North Carolina and get those random Flash floods couple times a year. One time my 30 gallons a minute Creek was flowing at 450 gallons. The dam that was Built in this video coupled with the coanda screen do extremely well even in flood conditions.
I'm quite the newbie when it comes to all this sort of stuff. What happens in the event the batteries are full and you aren't consuming the full output of the turbines? That extra production needs to go somewhere or the turbines need to decrease output, right?
The mppt charge controller will limit the production. The turbines will free spin until more power draw is detected in the home.
Did he have to apply for water rights in order to do this install?
How do we build this where to buy these components?
Come guys you all are close ,put the whole system indoor use two drums, one of which you turn into a Drum pump ,,^ iit must above the other drum which would have both the ram pump and generator above it,, way it should work,, Drum pump should pump the water from the lower drum to the ram pump to generator, having all the water falling back into the lower drum,,,. Or am I just crazy,,. Please fill me in with how it goes,,,.
Is that .7 kw/h that he's producing?
Wanna come to Panama and help me set up my jawn? I'm building an eco permaculture farm.
No such thing as a bad idea so hear me out instead of a water turbine or a water wheel which normally need a high flow rate and pressure for the needed rpm and load I’ve been thinking instead of using the flow and pressure of the water for power instead use the weight of water using a water convayorbelt with bucket bolted to it so each one could be filled with better control so less waste and pressure needed and the longer the belt the more weight to drive a gearbox or a big pulley to a really small one for the required rpm what do you think
I've seen videos of water wheels made from buckets. But I'm not sure about the conveyor belt idea. Are you saying that a bucket would be attached to a convert belt in a vertical orientation? That would allow the weight of the water to pull the belt down?
@@LandtoHouse yes
~95 GPM and 850 watts. How many feet of drop was there?
Want to give us a cost break down if this system looks way to exoensive
Why converting ac power to DC and charge batteries? Can't he use ac power generating from turbine directly?
Without the batteries he would lose the power he is generating if there is a light load. The battery allows power to be stored for later.
Does Jay have a sediment filter in his system? If not, do the nozzles or Pelton wheels wear out quickly?
That's a big part of why he uses the "Coanda Screen" it seems to me!
Does Jay have a youtube channel or other tutorials we can watch???
No channel. Next I have a longer version of his explanation coming to Land To House. He goes into detail on things that worked well and things that he would change.
Jay, which part of WNC are you in ? I'm trying to build something similar and would like to pick your brain a bit on terrain choice. I have a very similar setup, but I also have a pond I can suck water out, and was wondering if its better to use the pond as a battery vs capturing it at the very top of the waterfall.
Both myself and Jay worked with Langston's alternative power. A wealth of knowledge and ready to share. I put a link to the website in the description. Mr Langston is definitely able to help you with a lot of your questions.
Probably a good thing to have water rights when you do have a property like that....I can see some neighbors in areas trying to sue for disrupting their flow. Its a pretty low quality set up but like he said its what he could afford. Good for what it is!
Amateur question, suppose you have tank full of water and generate 10kw how many kw need to pump the water back to the tank with electric pump?
Electric pumps have an efficiency as do the turbine. Lets say both are 80% efficient. You will constantly be losing 40% of the potential of the water with each cycle.
How to buy that turbine
What he's paying for grid power, I'd learn to live without until i got more batteries and bigger turbines. Then save and buy a whole home generator or a wind generator
So the hydro system generates 800watts total per day?
Its 800w all the time. 19.2kwh a day.
Jay you should have a look at Kris
Sorry Kris Harbour's RUclips channel ... he is in the UK and he runs a single turbine approx 600 watts I think but he uses an old electric forklift battery pack for storage .... he can run everything including his 3phase equipment off his setup .... really worth wile viewing
I've been following his channel for a couple of years. Wild that he gained 200,000 subscribers last year. Great content and seems like a fun guy to be around.
Does he use a dump load for when the batteries are full?
No dump load is not needed but can be added
@@SpencerLAPower the turbine is happy to free spin without a load?
Makes sense to have it dumping into an electric hot water system or something to take advantage of the power!
Yes the turbine can free Spin once it's unloaded with no problem but it is more energy efficient to dump the load somewhere using a solid state relay triggered by the charge controller. Adding more batteries usually takes care of this in those cases.
My personal hydro system is coupled with solar. When the sun is out the solar power takes over and the hydro unit often times will free spin for up to an hour at a time. There is no dump load on my hydro system and it has worked out fine for over a year.
His system is connected to the grid, why not dump the electricity into the grid to earn some extra money? That's what my solar is doing, if batteries are fully charged, the rest is dumped into the grid to make some money...
What is the estimated cost for this set-up? Excluding the Grid tie on parts.
The coanda intake screen is costly at around $1200. The 3" pipe after C19 is also high at over $3 per foot. The PMA is around $1100. All said and done this type install is around $10k. The payback is around $1250 a year.
@@LandtoHouse Thank you very much.
That is including the batteries and Schneider system.
Could you rig this off of your water main?
Do you mean using your city water main to power hydro? It would be ineffective.
You could but your water bill would probably be higher than the power that you get out of it
Is there a way to use solar to give the 2 turbines power to run this system? i understand the turbines create energy that is being stored in solar batteries but if i wanted to use the energy my turbines are generating for something else as perpetual power is this possible?
Water Is the Input Force! It spins Pelton Wheels, that drive the Alternators!
If the water stops flowing, so does the Input Energy!
Solar PV can, apparently, be added as another input at his Inverter. Adding another 800 Watts of Solar PV, would be great for adding power when people are typically using it! However, he is "Selectively" off Grid, per his controller settings mentioned! The Solar PV add, would improve the "Off Grid" time! And be useful, when he adds those new batteries!
@8:05 Those "surge protectors" are not "lightning arrestors" that is just ignorant, they only protect against SURGES not lighting strikes, do some more reading. There is a HUGE difference as well as in price lol. Surge protectors are good, don't get me wrong, but they aren't for dealing with lighting strikes but rather surges from large draw equipment turning off/on that creates power surges (you notice them when your lights flicker), that is what a surge protector is for. The fact this wasn't properly dealt with really is sus about the integrity of the information given on this channel.... I know it's petty bit it's not a hard thing to know what a surge protector is for given a person is playing the role of a electrician giving advice.
Where did you get 3" polyethylene?
He had to drive a long way. But sadly I forget where he had to go.
@@LandtoHouse Thank You
He ended up getting somewhere in Georgia
Approximate cost for this setup please?
Just for the hydro units or the whole system including inverter and batteries
If you would be kind enough, for everything...
I see you gave this answer to someone else already...my apologies.
Around $15,500 does not include shipping or the pipe all the rest of the equipment including the Coand screen/ box.
COST? COST? and COST? :P
Only 1 question, how about vandalism? assuming this is happening on public land.
Nice set up…. I was just wondering did you get help setting this system up? My wife and I purchased a place a couple years ago and we have a continuous flow of water and i would like to get some kind of a system set up to produce my own electric I’m not sure what exactly I would need and what to buy as proper equipment and the what works best. So I was wondering if you could get back with me thank you. Have a good day.