how unbelieveble it is that Todd got to befriend Moe(who had few friends) and see him in person, play with him and now dedicate his life to teaching the Moe Norman method of golf to others and to help insure the legacy of this great man for future generations to come......what an honor and I'm sure a pleasure-
Todd, being 73 years old and a very "short hitter" with the conventional golf swing, I've recently started working on your one plane swing. I've read a LOT of books on golf, but I find you explanations to make a great deal of sense. This particular video has really shown me where to look for, and work on developing a more powerful and efficient swing! Thanks so much!
At 66, new balls and equipment have me playing what Moe called "army" golf. Left, right, left, right... I have been practicing my chipping in the yard (I played 5 rounds in Spain before the lockdown there and hit it okay but mostly all over the place.) using this method and, hope springs eternal but it looks mighty good to me :)
Of the hundreds of videos I have watched of you, this, to me, is the best and most simple explanation of how the single plane swing functions. I was a pretty good baseball player in high school and college. This is the same idea behind hitting a baseball. The lower body stabilizes allowing the arms to swing the bat around the body at maximum speed. It all came together for me after watching this video. Thanks!
I had been using the single plane (at least at address) technique long before I had ever heard of Moe Norman. Even though I was a single-digit (barely) handicap golfer, some of my golfing buddies had tried to break me of single plane over the years in favor of their hanging arms technique. But theirs never felt right to me, and I struggled not to hit nearer the hosel at impact, which also messed with my swing thought and degraded my confidence. What I’m now learning from your videos is what takes place AFTER the address, because I had tried to meld the single plane with a traditional takeaway, etc. I suffered (still do) from lower back and hip pain due to arthritis and degenerative disc disease, as well as shoulder impingement surgeries and torn wrist tendon surgery-yeah, a mess! But I’m now 63 years old and developing a new interest in golf, thanks in large part to your very informative videos. I love your explanations throughout, whether it be on the driving range or the course. Thank you for helping so many, including golfers like me.
I have been using this swing recently. Guess what ? It works !!. I was sceptical at first but I have never hit the ball as well as do now. And straight.
This video encapsulates the importance of mastering the positions - I am three years into the journey - having a ton of fun - pain free - thanks to all at Graves Golf !
Todd....this is a Great video...I have watched it several times....I love what you've done for the memory of that beautiful human being...Mo Norman :-)
Played 9 this weekend using Moe driver setup. Had great controls could Fade drawl and hit it straight with my woods and hibyrd only. Never hit my irons good. My irons were probably one or two clubs short.
Instructors talk about timing and coordination and all kinds of ways and means to add a disparate series of movements into a cohesive whole ... the more moving parts and adjustments to make, the lower the chances of achieving the desired result, solid, powerful, straight contact between club and ball. Moe was in sync with his swing. A simple, cohesive movement that allowed for the successive addition of power through a stable platform along an unchanging swing arc. He was the man who was the instruction.
Fairly certain that golf course and range is in south Florida, I have played the course many times. I recognize the clubhouse. It wouldn't surprise me if I had seen Moe in the 2000s, but didn't know who he was at the time.
Moe started the ‘forward’ swing’ by laterally and rotating his forward hip BEFORE the hands and arms started down. He always talked how his arms and shoulders were a single machine-like unit. Moe must have known that the move to the left while the arms and shoulders mere still rotating back created massive ‘torso tension’( the best words I can find to describe it). Think of twisting a stack of rubber bands! Moe used that and it protected his back and gave him amazing predictable power even as he aged. How di not have to work to create that power. The ‘torso tension’ was natural and automatic so Moe could focus on purity and precision targeting of his shots. I am 71 and when i use Moe’s ‘torso tensioning’ there is no effort and my back loves it. I had three discs respected in September of 2019 and thanks to Graves and Moe my game is actually better!
Could you imagine being on the range with Moe Norman there and not stopping your practice session to go and watch him? Those people behind him had no idea what they were missing.
To put what Todd is saying in another reference. Think of a bow and arrow, if the bow wasn’t stabilized you would not have any power to release the string and arrow. The bow needs to be stabilized like the lower body for the string or upper body hands arms and club to produce the needed power to fire the arrow or ball to the target. Hope this makes sense. Great work Todd.
I've heard it called smash factor. Iron Byron combines equipment potential with precise contact control to maximize performance. The machine should have been named iron Moe. Being a Christian has taught me that it's not bragging if you can do it. Moe could do it.
Out of the goodness of his heart I hope Moe looked behind him and gave that guy in the red hat a pointer or two. He probably doesn't know he is practicing behind the best ball striker ever.
What muscles in the body should we look to strengthen if we are looking to produce more speed with SPS? Don't get me wrong it's already way longer for me than the conventional swing but would like to push it a bit more if I can! Many Thanks. Tim
A golf swing can, if the golfer understands how, turn, twist and load the muscles of the body using backswing momentum then effortlessly release it to power the downswing very much like winding up a rubber band powered balsa wood airplane then releasing it to fly. Hogan did that in his swing by turning his back foot in square and then flaring his feet out / \ inside his shoes to pre-torque the leg. Buy the time Hogan’s hips swung 45° closed and stopped, forcing hands to hinge the club up his back leg was fully loaded and ready to fire the hips in the downswing. The cause and effect in the downswing that accelerates the club head with the arms is due to how the MASS of lead arm gets pinned to the chest in the takeaway and downswing as hip fire until the hips stop 45° open if back foot is kept on the ground. At at point in the swing the lead arm flies off the chest toward the target violently much like an unbelted passenger in a car crash flying forward off the seat. It is the acceleration of the mass in the lead arm that pulls the lagging club through the ball as the club head also whips down around the hand. It is all powered by the loading of the hips and to some degree the core in the backswing which is effortless if moving mass and momentum do the work. The secret is in the math of the physics of force. Any time velocity is increases the amount of kinetic energy is increased exponentially by velocity^2 which is why a snappy whipping up of the club around the hands generates so much force. F=1/2(Mass x Velocity^2). \ Moe probably didn’t understand the physics intellectually but he was an intuitive savant in the way he applied it via moving his body mass laterally towards the target. If you throw the lead arm off the chest to the left and parallel to the target it drags the club head square into the target on a parallel track to the target. As Moe was known to say, “Why do you want to turn circle, the target is straight ahead. I learned to use lateral movement of body mass in my swing watching videos of Moe and mimicking his swing style and some of the same cause and effect of the underlying physics.
Hi Todd, I’m tall at 6’5, and I have the feeling that I am hunching over the ball at address I have spine tilt and I feel a strain in my lower back so I think I’m hunching over too much what suggestions do you have for tall players over 6 feet. In addition I also have because of back problems, COBRA one length golf clubs that I really like so I only have one swing length.
Interesting when you watch Moe demonstrate the vertical drop and the horizontal tug he very much exaggerates these movements . That's because in golf you have to go a mile to get an inch . That's my take on it anyhow .
@@ToddGravesGolf You can get an exaggerated feel for this by taking a towel (left palm down and right palm facing up ,hands about 6 inches apart and stretching it to the top of the backswing then pulling it down and across.As in the vertical drop and horizontal pull.It gives a heightened feeling of this important move .The right palm faces forwards at the end too.I read anout the world stone skimming championships the other day and there was the world champion using the same leg action as Moe Norman and what you teach .
Todd, can you direct me to your video which explains why you set your club 6 inches behind the ball at address and what factor accounts for delivering the club to the ball? Thank you. Really enjoying your lessons and Moe's methods. Doc
Have not fired my arms / wrists purposefully tend to move arms / hands with lower body wrists uncock automatically in the process / do not have high swing speed that is perobably why.
I am a newcomer of single plane swing after 40 years. Now 500 balls per day, may I ask one question, what is the mechanism of lower body stabilization ?
Improve technique first, then strength second, then mobility third (flexibility). Make sure you are great at stabilizing the golf swing and your hands and wrists are strong too.
While I don't disagree with anything you explain in your video, I don't think it fully captures what Moe is saying at the beginning. I think Moe is trying to explain an aspect or realm beyond biomechanics, though proper biomechanics represent a hugely important building block or foundation. What I think Moe is speaking about is a type of intangible that maybe distinguishes a long-standing world-class symphony from a run-of-the-mill one, though many of the musicians in each are on paper of equal competence. To me Moe describes a rare quality that maybe few detect yet alone pursue or can even appreciate. It has become far easier to apply decent biomechanics combined with brute force and complimentary equipment, and thus miss the "art" of the game, i.e. the feeling of greatness. Please know that I'm not complaining about this for I might would do the same thing if I were young and wanted to play today's game for a living. But I would encourage a young person to first pursue Moe's melody with their all before taking the short cut.
Todd, I've been watching your videos for a few months now and going back to watching Moe's videos as well, but I have one question: If as you say, the single plane swing and body movement/rotation is so pure, and I can see that it is, why aren't more "professional" golfers using it? I know conventional teaching doesn't seem to agree with your's and Moe's teaching technique, but it would seem to me if it's so good we would at least be seeing a few of them using it. I'm 65 years young and have been playing for about 20 years with a handicap around 10-12 but lately I've been trying to change to the single plane swing because of back issues. The Horizontal Drop and Forward Movement after contact is giving me fits.
Gary Leahy The fact of the matter is PGA tour players don’t all swing the same and there is no real model golf swing. The single plane swing is simply a clear model to get the club to impact with the least amount of moving parts and accomplish the same thing that all good golf swing is accomplish - consistent impact. You also must realize that the conventional method of swinging the club which is hanging the arms below the shoulders has produced 1 million golfers quitting the game due to frustration every year and the average score of 97 for the last 70 years even though equipment has improved. Hanging the arms below the shoulders is biomechanically a more difficult way to get to the moment of impact. It requires more movement of the body and timing elements. What Motis covered was a better way at address to establish a position to make it easier to get to impact it’s a simple as that. A few PGA tour players like Steve Stricker and Bryson DeChambeau have established a similar position and play on the PGA tour. Instead of asking why are more tour players not doing this we should be asking what’s the simple way to hit a ball on the ground with a stick.
Gary Leahy I’ve got this one. Everyone wants to improve - even pros. As long as they can look like Tiger. Just kick your friends behinds and dress like Moe. Note the really crappy results that other amateurs have on the range. Plug in your headphones on the range and every so often take a peak and note they are looking at your results. Everyone wants a classic swing. Why is it classic? Who cares. If you do care and worry about that sort of thing this is not the swing for you.
Any pro will tell you that at least 70% of the speed is done with the arms. A lot of very consistent amateur golfers that I have played with over the years only used their arms in the swing, they didn't have the big drive but they were always straight down the middle and their iron were much more accurate and consistent in all types of playing conditions.The only time they struggled was on the long par 4's to get on in regulation. It's very unlikely that amateurs who play this way would ever change anything in their set up gain the extra yards and sacrifice accuracy and of course they play with the ones that have tried it after taking lessons or watched a load of videos.
I'm making the switch to the single plane and it is going fairly well except I feel as though my swing is "all arms" I'm not getting the whipping action for power. Are there any drills that could help improve this portion of the swing.
I just signed up for Todd's SIngle Plane Academy. It's pretty awesome, all of his courses are on there, and has alot of drills for hitting each position and maximizing clubhead speed. You should check it out. I finally feel like all the pieces are coming together!
I discuss that you should feel as though you are stepping into your shoe with your lead foot in the transition into the lead knee in the downswing. That is in the book.
I met Moe when he was 64 years old in 1994. These were his approximate distances: Driver 265, 3 Wood 240, 3 Iron 200, 4 Iron 190, 5 iron 180, 6 iron 170, 7 iron 160, 8 iron 150, 9 iron 140, PW 130. These are approximate sometimes he hit it longer and sometimes shorter deepening on conditions and change of equipment once in awhile. His driver swing speed was 107 mph when I measured it.
@@ToddGravesGolf I have been watching these videos and they are very interesting as far a bio-mechanics are concerned with the swing. I am now 71 years old, have many hard miles on my body and am getting gimpy. I am going to give this type of movement a try as it looks like it would help me to keep playing. Thanks for all your hard work to bring us these very informative and fun videos.
Put another way. Golf technique will increase distance to the extent contact improves. Using sport specific power training aids with a strength training program will increase sport related injury. Moe’s distance declined with his obvious age related decline in strength and his personal Achilles heel - the lack of personal care for his body. He still got the maximum he could from his decline in strength and power with his technique. I like to think Moe meets the big easy for tempo.
Actually, Moe had 40 degrees of rotation in his pelvis and 80 degrees of rotation at the top of the backswing. At impact, Moe had 35 degrees of positive rotation of is torso and pelvis at impact. In the finish, Moe had 60 degrees of pelvis rotation and 90 degrees of torso rotation at finish. Calling Moe a slider is not exactly accurate. If you are talking about his movement into the lead knee where he rotated less through the ball, comparatively this is accurate.
There is no substitute for proper strength training. Power and strength are separate terms. After age 50 all of the science shows a loss of muscle size and strength without resistance training. Power is the use of tendons and connective tissue with muscular strength. Still confused? If you go down in a squat position and hold it then jump you will not jump as high as if you were to quickly drop and jump. The connective tissue stores energy. The greatest boon to your local physical therapists’ businesses has been cross fit. All power training - fast movements with less than 50% of what you can lift and day after day of the activity with no resistance training (weights or machine strength). Do power training without strength training and just play the sport - a sure prescription for injury. All coaches seem to not understand when their training aid prescribed methods are out of their depth and field of expertise.
Eddie Stevens Moe struck the ball better than Hogan. He was obsessive, possibly mild Aspergerers, but that's where his genius came from. Certainly not messed up. Seemed a really lovely genuine guy.
how unbelieveble it is that Todd got to befriend Moe(who had few friends) and see him in person, play with him and now dedicate his life to teaching the Moe Norman method of golf to others and to help insure the legacy of this great man for future generations to come......what an honor and I'm sure a pleasure-
I like old moe norman. He was a very kind soul.
Todd, being 73 years old and a very "short hitter" with the conventional golf swing, I've recently started working on your one plane swing. I've read a LOT of books on golf, but I find you explanations to make a great deal of sense. This particular video has really shown me where to look for, and work on developing a more powerful and efficient swing! Thanks so much!
At 66, new balls and equipment have me playing what Moe called "army" golf. Left, right, left, right... I have been practicing my chipping in the yard (I played 5 rounds in Spain before the lockdown there and hit it okay but mostly all over the place.) using this method and, hope springs eternal but it looks mighty good to me :)
Of the hundreds of videos I have watched of you, this, to me, is the best and most simple explanation of how the single plane swing functions. I was a pretty good baseball player in high school and college. This is the same idea behind hitting a baseball. The lower body stabilizes allowing the arms to swing the bat around the body at maximum speed. It all came together for me after watching this video. Thanks!
It looks like he was hitting singles , I see the analogy
Love when you incorporate Moe videos into your own. Keep it up!
I had been using the single plane (at least at address) technique long before I had ever heard of Moe Norman. Even though I was a single-digit (barely) handicap golfer, some of my golfing buddies had tried to break me of single plane over the years in favor of their hanging arms technique. But theirs never felt right to me, and I struggled not to hit nearer the hosel at impact, which also messed with my swing thought and degraded my confidence. What I’m now learning from your videos is what takes place AFTER the address, because I had tried to meld the single plane with a traditional takeaway, etc. I suffered (still do) from lower back and hip pain due to arthritis and degenerative disc disease, as well as shoulder impingement surgeries and torn wrist tendon surgery-yeah, a mess! But I’m now 63 years old and developing a new interest in golf, thanks in large part to your very informative videos. I love your explanations throughout, whether it be on the driving range or the course. Thank you for helping so many, including golfers like me.
I have been using this swing recently. Guess what ? It works !!. I was sceptical at first but I have never hit the ball as well as do now. And straight.
the sound at impact when you hit that ball was fantastic.
This video encapsulates the importance of mastering the positions - I am three years into the journey - having a ton of fun - pain free - thanks to all at Graves Golf !
Todd Graves, is by far the best golf instructor on RUclips. Keep up the great work!
Awesome video Todd! You have a great gift to teach, and I say this because I am a teacher of almost 40 years now.
I noticed you use the Tetegram YHWH......do you have a web site , you can give me please?
@@rangepro Hey, I don't have one yet but when I do I will let you know. Praise YHWH!
I liked this video as it broke it down in easy sections. I bet I wont be able to find it when I need it. Im going to watch it again
this is the best golf lesson I ever had. thank you Todd
Gotta say, this is likely one of the most important videos I’ve seen on Moe’s swing. Thanks Todd!
Glad it was helpful!
On point, well said and very efficient. Just like the swing.
Thanks.
Todd....this is a Great video...I have watched it several times....I love what you've done for the memory of that beautiful human being...Mo Norman :-)
These videos have helped fill in some missing pieces in learning to develop my single plane swing. Thank you.
Played 9 this weekend using Moe driver setup. Had great controls could Fade drawl and hit it straight with my woods and hibyrd only. Never hit my irons good. My irons were probably one or two clubs short.
Instructors talk about timing and coordination and all kinds of ways and means to add a disparate series of movements into a cohesive whole ... the more moving parts and adjustments to make, the lower the chances of achieving the desired result, solid, powerful, straight contact between club and ball. Moe was in sync with his swing. A simple, cohesive movement that allowed for the successive addition of power through a stable platform along an unchanging swing arc. He was the man who was the instruction.
Can't believe the other golfers aren't watching Moe...not very smart to put it mildly!
8:05 - Todd making sure that ball experiences the business end of that driver. Very nice little Moe. Your hip rotation and stop is very impressive.
He is super dedicated to his method 👏
Great one.
Fairly certain that golf course and range is in south Florida, I have played the course many times. I recognize the clubhouse. It wouldn't surprise me if I had seen Moe in the 2000s, but didn't know who he was at the time.
Learn from the best in order to do your best!!! Another great video!!
Moe started the ‘forward’ swing’ by laterally and rotating his forward hip BEFORE the hands and arms started down. He always talked how his arms and shoulders were a single machine-like unit. Moe must have known that the move to the left while the arms and shoulders mere still rotating back created massive ‘torso tension’( the best words I can find to describe it). Think of twisting a stack of rubber bands! Moe used that and it protected his back and gave him amazing predictable power even as he aged. How di not have to work to create that power. The ‘torso tension’ was natural and automatic so Moe could focus on purity and precision targeting of his shots. I am 71 and when i use Moe’s ‘torso tensioning’ there is no effort and my back loves it. I had three discs respected in September of 2019 and thanks to Graves and Moe my game is actually better!
8:12 - Good lord this sound!
Could you imagine being on the range with Moe Norman there and not stopping your practice session to go and watch him? Those people behind him had no idea what they were missing.
Imagine being one of those guys on the range with the genius that was Moe Norman
I'd like to see some shot tracer on the videos and swing to see actual ball speed, trajectory, and distance you're getting with this swing
caintiger Todd has at least one video with shot tracer. It really is fun to see.
He's ded 😭
Excellent video. Are there other videos out there showing lefties using this system ?
Not sure. Ill see If I can produce a lefty video.
To put what Todd is saying in another reference. Think of a bow and arrow, if the bow wasn’t stabilized you would not have any power to release the string and arrow. The bow needs to be stabilized like the lower body for the string or upper body hands arms and club to produce the needed power to fire the arrow or ball to the target. Hope this makes sense.
Great work Todd.
That drive at 820 was hammered. Imagine Todd with 120 club head speed 😂 he would be winning on tour
Every video of Norman I have ever seen there is a guy asking him questions as he just hits ball, after ball, after ball.
chris mc Apparently that pretty much describes how he used his waking hours. 😎
excellent video
Smooth . I need to be less brute . I’m super powerful and fast long etc but my get off beat
I've heard it called smash factor. Iron Byron combines equipment potential with precise contact control to maximize performance. The machine should have been named iron Moe. Being a Christian has taught me that it's not bragging if you can do it. Moe could do it.
Go Moe!
Out of the goodness of his heart I hope Moe looked behind him and gave that guy in the red hat a pointer or two. He probably doesn't know he is practicing behind the best ball striker ever.
What muscles in the body should we look to strengthen if we are looking to produce more speed with SPS? Don't get me wrong it's already way longer for me than the conventional swing but would like to push it a bit more if I can! Many Thanks. Tim
A golf swing can, if the golfer understands how, turn, twist and load the muscles of the body using backswing momentum then effortlessly release it to power the downswing very much like winding up a rubber band powered balsa wood airplane then releasing it to fly. Hogan did that in his swing by turning his back foot in square and then flaring his feet out / \ inside his shoes to pre-torque the leg. Buy the time Hogan’s hips swung 45° closed and stopped, forcing hands to hinge the club up his back leg was fully loaded and ready to fire the hips in the downswing.
The cause and effect in the downswing that accelerates the club head with the arms is due to how the MASS of lead arm gets pinned to the chest in the takeaway and downswing as hip fire until the hips stop 45° open if back foot is kept on the ground. At at point in the swing the lead arm flies off the chest toward the target violently much like an unbelted passenger in a car crash flying forward off the seat. It is the acceleration of the mass in the lead arm that pulls the lagging club through the ball as the club head also whips down around the hand. It is all powered by the loading of the hips and to some degree the core in the backswing which is effortless if moving mass and momentum do the work. The secret is in the math of the physics of force. Any time velocity is increases the amount of kinetic energy is increased exponentially by velocity^2 which is why a snappy whipping up of the club around the hands generates so much force. F=1/2(Mass x Velocity^2).
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Moe probably didn’t understand the physics intellectually but he was an intuitive savant in the way he applied it via moving his body mass laterally towards the target. If you throw the lead arm off the chest to the left and parallel to the target it drags the club head square into the target on a parallel track to the target. As Moe was known to say, “Why do you want to turn circle, the target is straight ahead. I learned to use lateral movement of body mass in my swing watching videos of Moe and mimicking his swing style and some of the same cause and effect of the underlying physics.
Hi Todd,
I’m tall at 6’5, and I have the feeling that I am hunching over the ball at address I have spine tilt and I feel a strain in my lower back so I think I’m hunching over too much what suggestions do you have for tall players over 6 feet. In addition I also have because of back problems, COBRA one length golf clubs that I really like so I only have one swing length.
Great
Interesting when you watch Moe demonstrate the vertical drop and the horizontal tug he very much exaggerates these movements .
That's because in golf you have to go a mile to get an inch .
That's my take on it anyhow .
Very Interesting. I like that and it tends to be very true.
@@ToddGravesGolf You can get an exaggerated feel for this by taking a towel (left palm down and right palm facing up ,hands about 6 inches apart and stretching it to the top of the backswing then pulling it down and across.As in the vertical drop and horizontal pull.It gives a heightened feeling of this important move .The right palm faces forwards at the end too.I read anout the world stone skimming championships the other day and there was the world champion using the same leg action as Moe Norman and what you teach .
Todd, can you direct me to your video which explains why you set your club 6 inches behind the ball at address and what factor accounts for delivering the club to the ball? Thank you. Really enjoying your lessons and Moe's methods. Doc
Phillip- In this 2 part video Moe talks about everything and anything concerning his swing
ruclips.net/video/JeIT0af2C_M/видео.html
Have not fired my arms / wrists purposefully tend to move arms / hands with lower body wrists uncock automatically in the process / do not have high swing speed that is perobably why.
Todd will one day have a student who wins a ton of majors with this swing!!
I am a newcomer of single plane swing after 40 years. Now 500 balls per day, may I ask one question, what is the mechanism of lower body stabilization ?
In the backswing or downswing?
My right arm is dominant on the swing and I hit pretty straight.
Nice.
If someone was interested in increasing their club head speed what exercises or drills would you recommend?
Improve technique first, then strength second, then mobility third (flexibility). Make sure you are great at stabilizing the golf swing and your hands and wrists are strong too.
Were those the DCI 962
Moe is golf Yoda.
While I don't disagree with anything you explain in your video, I don't think it fully captures what Moe is saying at the beginning. I think Moe is trying to explain an aspect or realm beyond biomechanics, though proper biomechanics represent a hugely important building block or foundation. What I think Moe is speaking about is a type of intangible that maybe distinguishes a long-standing world-class symphony from a run-of-the-mill one, though many of the musicians in each are on paper of equal competence. To me Moe describes a rare quality that maybe few detect yet alone pursue or can even appreciate. It has become far easier to apply decent biomechanics combined with brute force and complimentary equipment, and thus miss the "art" of the game, i.e. the feeling of greatness. Please know that I'm not complaining about this for I might would do the same thing if I were young and wanted to play today's game for a living. But I would encourage a young person to first pursue Moe's melody with their all before taking the short cut.
What is that song at the start of this video?
Hi Todd, where in your body do you feel the accumulation (storage) of power to release most?
arms.
Iron Byron
Todd,
I've been watching your videos for a few months now and going back to watching Moe's videos as well, but I have one question: If as you say, the single plane swing and body movement/rotation is so pure, and I can see that it is, why aren't more "professional" golfers using it? I know conventional teaching doesn't seem to agree with your's and Moe's teaching technique, but it would seem to me if it's so good we would at least be seeing a few of them using it. I'm 65 years young and have been playing for about 20 years with a handicap around 10-12 but lately I've been trying to change to the single plane swing because of back issues. The Horizontal Drop and Forward Movement after contact is giving me fits.
Gary Leahy The fact of the matter is PGA tour players don’t all swing the same and there is no real model golf swing. The single plane swing is simply a clear model to get the club to impact with the least amount of moving parts and accomplish the same thing that all good golf swing is accomplish - consistent impact. You also must realize that the conventional method of swinging the club which is hanging the arms below the shoulders has produced 1 million golfers quitting the game due to frustration every year and the average score of 97 for the last 70 years even though equipment has improved. Hanging the arms below the shoulders is biomechanically a more difficult way to get to the moment of impact. It requires more movement of the body and timing elements. What Motis covered was a better way at address to establish a position to make it easier to get to impact it’s a simple as that. A few PGA tour players like Steve Stricker and Bryson DeChambeau have established a similar position and play on the PGA tour. Instead of asking why are more tour players not doing this we should be asking what’s the simple way to hit a ball on the ground with a stick.
@@ToddGravesGolf Thanks for the response. I'll keep working at it
Gary Leahy
I’ve got this one.
Everyone wants to improve - even pros.
As long as they can look like Tiger.
Just kick your friends behinds and dress like Moe.
Note the really crappy results that other amateurs have on the range.
Plug in your headphones on the range and every so often take a peak and note they are looking at your results.
Everyone wants a classic swing. Why is it classic?
Who cares.
If you do care and worry about that sort of thing this is not the swing for you.
Any pro will tell you that at least 70% of the speed is done with the arms. A lot of very consistent amateur golfers that I have played with over the years only used their arms in the swing, they didn't have the big drive but they were always straight down the middle and their iron were much more accurate and consistent in all types of playing conditions.The only time they struggled was on the long par 4's to get on in regulation. It's very unlikely that amateurs who play this way would ever change anything in their set up gain the extra yards and sacrifice accuracy and of course they play with the ones that have tried it after taking lessons or watched a load of videos.
I'm making the switch to the single plane and it is going fairly well except I feel as though my swing is "all arms" I'm not getting the whipping action for power. Are there any drills that could help improve this portion of the swing.
I just signed up for Todd's SIngle Plane Academy. It's pretty awesome, all of his courses are on there, and has alot of drills for hitting each position and maximizing clubhead speed. You should check it out. I finally feel like all the pieces are coming together!
I.AM.UNSTOPPABLE. Who is Tim
@@kourt2469 Lol Todd Graves. Talk to text switch to Tim lol
What's your index?
I toe in my feet with driver and found there is a ‘slot you slip fit into that is in line with everything! Don’t you write this in new book?
I discuss that you should feel as though you are stepping into your shoe with your lead foot in the transition into the lead knee in the downswing. That is in the book.
How far did Moe hit his irons? Can you list distances 3-W?
I met Moe when he was 64 years old in 1994. These were his approximate distances: Driver 265, 3 Wood 240, 3 Iron 200, 4 Iron 190, 5 iron 180, 6 iron 170, 7 iron 160, 8 iron 150, 9 iron 140, PW 130. These are approximate sometimes he hit it longer and sometimes shorter deepening on conditions and change of equipment once in awhile. His driver swing speed was 107 mph when I measured it.
@@ToddGravesGolf I have been watching these videos and they are very interesting as far a bio-mechanics are concerned with the swing. I am now 71 years old, have many hard miles on my body and am getting gimpy. I am going to give this type of movement a try as it looks like it would help me to keep playing. Thanks for all your hard work to bring us these very informative and fun videos.
@@ToddGravesGolf wow, and that was at 64 years old.
@@SearlesHernandez And with old equipment.
Time for Graves Golf to integrate with a strength program to develop sport specific power.
Put another way.
Golf technique will increase distance to the extent contact improves.
Using sport specific power training aids with a strength training program will increase sport related injury.
Moe’s distance declined with his obvious age related decline in strength and his personal Achilles heel - the lack of personal care for his body.
He still got the maximum he could from his decline in strength and power with his technique.
I like to think Moe meets the big easy for tempo.
Typo. Using sport specific training aides WITHOUT a sport specific strength and power program
Major typo.
Todd, talk more about the correct grip please. Give illustrations.
Moe Norman was slider, not a turner. When I slide I usually hit off the toe. Most instructors teach the turn.
Actually, Moe had 40 degrees of rotation in his pelvis and 80 degrees of rotation at the top of the backswing. At impact, Moe had 35 degrees of positive rotation of is torso and pelvis at impact. In the finish, Moe had 60 degrees of pelvis rotation and 90 degrees of torso rotation at finish. Calling Moe a slider is not exactly accurate. If you are talking about his movement into the lead knee where he rotated less through the ball, comparatively this is accurate.
What is your club head speed ?
108 - 110 mph.
Todd Graves Im 6’5” 215 in shape 53 yrs old 8 ghin swing 98-105. should be better
@@TomSmith-yt8ce how strong are your forearms? that is a factor. There are ways to train speed keep looking and working you will get there
@@TomSmith-yt8ce See GGA video Maximizing Speed&Distance. Also practice when wearing hand speed trainers. Available through GGA store.
There is no substitute for proper strength training.
Power and strength are separate terms.
After age 50 all of the science shows a loss of muscle size and strength without resistance training.
Power is the use of tendons and connective tissue with muscular strength.
Still confused?
If you go down in a squat position and hold it then jump you will not jump as high as if you were to quickly drop and jump. The connective tissue stores energy.
The greatest boon to your local physical therapists’ businesses has been cross fit. All power training - fast movements with less than 50% of what you can lift and day after day of the activity with no resistance training (weights or machine strength).
Do power training without strength training and just play the sport - a sure prescription for injury.
All coaches seem to not understand when their training aid prescribed methods are out of their depth and field of expertise.
Luigi from Mario Bros. is right behind Moe
The wide stance cost him distance.
Do you have data that on that? Or is this just an unqualified observation?
Moe Norman could strike a ball as sweetly as Hogan but was one crazy messed up individual
Eddie Stevens Moe struck the ball better than Hogan. He was obsessive, possibly mild Aspergerers, but that's where his genius came from. Certainly not messed up. Seemed a really lovely genuine guy.
@@2Malachi the guy was a fruit cake he had trouble just getting through the day.
@@eddiestevens3220 Why would you both lie and be so rude?
@@2Malachi just stating the obvious
@@eddiestevens3220 You're clearly a liar and a nasty piece of work.
Hitting 500-800 balls a day every day for 12 years doesn't hurt either eh?
Only if you want to be the best in the world.
These guys at the range have no clue that they are hitting balls next to the greatest ball striker of all time. Damn shame.
True.
Looks WRISTY