As someone who wasn't around CS before 2015, I love hearing about all these things about its history. The talks about 2013 NIP being utterly unstoppable and almost ruining the scene because of it (not their fault) and the relief they had when they finally lost is so interesting to hear. Also, I would love for someone to make a video on the history of CSGO's rocky start and how it almost failed compared to that mod. If there's one out there, or someone who may have been an expert on that subject, somebody let me know. I know Thorin is THE historian so he might have something?! Possibly.
I'm Loving these new series richard I first started watching right before faceit major in 2018 and its really fun to know about teams before astralis and online era
I hate that I didn't start watching this series sooner, but I'm happy got around to it now. Came to CS in late 2015 so really happy to hear about its history and the banter is top notch.
2 episodes in and I'm already loving this series. The history part is great for me particularly because I was already following CSGO from the beginning (started following 1.6 in late 2011). Just my opinion and it's super hard to judge considering you are comparing the same players at different times but I think 2015 would beat 2013 NIP. While the 87-0 streak was a sick accomplishment and will never ever be repeated again, the context of the scene is ultimately what brings them down for me. 1. The NiP roster was the first to transition to CS:GO. While NAVI and fnatic were battling for dominance in the last year of 1.6, f0rest and GeT_RiGhT left SK for NiP while Xizt who was part of that fnatic line-up that was winning also left. They transitioned the earliest possible even at a time when the game was not in good shape and it still wasn't super clear if it would succeed. 2. The early transition is in big part what fueled the bulk of that 87-0 streak. Over 50 matches of those 87 came in the first year (actually last quarter of 2012 since it's when the pro scene started). The level of competition was much much lower, map pool was smaller, and utility usage was not as sophisticated. 3. GeT_RIGhT and f0rest (regarded 1.6 GOAT by many) were no doubt beasts in 2012 and 2013 but the fact that the level of competition was so low, it was much easier to stand ahead of the rest. HLTV didn't even have a top20 players that year as they deemed it a transition year. 4. OK, so the bulk of the 87 year doesn't weigh as much but f0rest and GeT_RiGhT still were the 2 best players of 2013, Xizt was #6 and friberg #11 and that is IMO the 2013 NIP's biggest strength. The problem is that even with players of that caliber, they still were unable to win the most important event of the year. At some point, you gotta wonder if NIP would've dominated as much if they transitioned at the same time as the rest. 5. How would GeT_RiGhT and f0rest 2015 fare against their 2013 counterparts? Well, 2013 took #1 and #2, 2014 took #1 and 7# and 2015 took #11 and #16. You'd think they peaked in 2013 but I'd argue that competition was much much tougher in 2015 when CSGO was in peak popularity. And if we consider early NIP 2015, one could argue they were closer to their 2014 form. Another thing you could argue is that while GeT_RiGhT was #1 in both 2013 and 2014, he had a 1.33 rating in the first year but a 1.15 rating implying that while he did keep the top spot, the level of competition rose considerably. 6. The evolution of the meta between 2013 and 2015 was enormous. NIP 2013 played its entire era with only 5 maps. Utility had evolved and so did peak player performance. For comparison, olofmeister was #1 in 2015 and he ended with a 1.15 rating. So one could ask, what would happen if you dropped NIP 2015 in 2013, and my answer would be that they'd run over everyone just like the previous iteration did. Truth is the NIP 2015 did not have a huge level of success because the game was not the same anymore. More competition, different meta. Conclusion: While you could argue that 2013 had more cohesion as team, fifflaren would bring down the team a bit as allu was miles ahead and the AWP would play a big role. And the difference in meta and the overall evolution of the game would push 2015 over the line. 2013 GeT_RiGhT could never pull off the same plays in 2015. The clash of the two iterations of GeT_RiGhT and f0rest would balance out and the "more evolved" team would win. Cheers.
nah 2013 get right would steam roll 2015 get right cause he was younger and 2015 Get right was simply already slowly declining. If get right was like 18 at the start of csgo he would have accomplished more.
While they’re referring to the 2013 line up as ‘the streak team’ the lineup lasted much longer than that and continued winning and placing well afterwards, even into 2014 when the scene was much more established and competitive. If the line up fell off right after the streak I would agree with you, but there was much more to them than that. I think they have it over the later line up.
One of the best pieces of content in CSGO right now! It is good to remember all the things that happened pre 2015 and would be a good insight to anyone that was not around at that time
The flusha fps thing I gotta add that the same thing happens with ping for me When i am in aps on inferno for instance if my ping raises there is someone nearby and if not it is clear I dont know how or why this happens but it does
23:00 that‘s why that fnc is my all time fav lineup (even though i love simple) they were such badasses and really didnt give a fuck, they were basically doing what every rookie says they are gonna do in that the stage, fans, pressure, booing etc doesnt scare them
Thorin saying omae wa mou shindeiru and talking about flusha cheating and the insane yet genius explanation devilwalk gave are all top tier best of btn class content
Im pretty sure everyone around that time thought Flusha was cheating. People point to his random clips. But most people who play the game looked at his nade usage. He would throw random HEs with no info and hit players for 40 hp.
great show personally not a fan of the zooming/full screen of individuals, except for short highlights like in the RL show missing out on the reactions of the others
I think 2015 Fnatic are the only team you could pick up from their era and drop in 2022 and they would still be fighting for the no1 spot, except for Prime Astralis (who could technically still be playing together now so its not the same)
Nip 2013 vs Astralis 2018 already??? Rip :( I wanted to see this Nip team meet the 2017 Astralis or TSM so they could choke against Nip. And then have 2018 Astralis meet them in a semi or grand final to avenge themselves...
Surprised there was no mention of Maikelele considering he was Fifflaren's initial replacement and they went on to get to a major final, win some tournaments before cutting him in 2015, I feel like he's a bigger part of NiP's history considering he also stood in and won another tournament with them in 2016.
i cant believe you guys didnt mention that "we are fnatic" video they dropped in the midst of their hate heyday before cologne 2015 i believe. it was so tone deaf and hilariously cringe, they pulled it, but i remember thinking it was so funny and unintentionally gangster.
you have to be dogshit at the game to seriously think the flusha clips are based. like looking back at them and comparing them to modern day normal skill play, he was just ahead of the curve with pre aiming/crosshair placement. Shox was super salty and has also retracted his statement on flusha so theres that. i suggest going to watch his stream aswell vods from throughout the years, he has INSANE ingame hearing like INSANE compared to others he hears steps that people never hear unless you rewind.
I hate the fact that you're all talking about "clips you could not explain". Would be great if you would go into more detail and link those clips from Flusha which you could not explain. Because most of them are easy to explain.
Yes, and somehow no-one seems to have played with low sense or on a small mousepad, because they have no idea why you might have to lift your mouse, or might be used to it.
!["[Ex6TenZ's] Playbook Was So Deep You Can’t Imagine!" - Reflections with shox 2/3 - CSGO](/img/1.gif)
47:11 "The joke is... people don't know this... this is not a joke." Thorin's brain shorted out and threw all of his catchphrases out at once.
hahahahah, I just caught that lmaoooo
When Richard posts pure gold just before a long train journey = blessed
As someone who wasn't around CS before 2015, I love hearing about all these things about its history. The talks about 2013 NIP being utterly unstoppable and almost ruining the scene because of it (not their fault) and the relief they had when they finally lost is so interesting to hear.
Also, I would love for someone to make a video on the history of CSGO's rocky start and how it almost failed compared to that mod. If there's one out there, or someone who may have been an expert on that subject, somebody let me know. I know Thorin is THE historian so he might have something?! Possibly.
The support awper did originate in NA but it was originally called the 4750 dollar decoy or adren
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE HAHAHA
Nowhere is safe
I'm Loving these new series richard
I first started watching right before faceit major in 2018 and its really fun to know about teams before astralis and online era
This is the best content these guys have made so far for me.
Been watching CS since 2014 , these are still legendary teams that played a major role in CS history
I hate that I didn't start watching this series sooner, but I'm happy got around to it now. Came to CS in late 2015 so really happy to hear about its history and the banter is top notch.
I am feening for these videos. Love the series Rich. Thanks for the upload.
Been waiting for this second episode since the first one dropped, loving this
2 episodes in and I'm already loving this series. The history part is great for me particularly because I was already following CSGO from the beginning (started following 1.6 in late 2011). Just my opinion and it's super hard to judge considering you are comparing the same players at different times but I think 2015 would beat 2013 NIP. While the 87-0 streak was a sick accomplishment and will never ever be repeated again, the context of the scene is ultimately what brings them down for me.
1. The NiP roster was the first to transition to CS:GO. While NAVI and fnatic were battling for dominance in the last year of 1.6, f0rest and GeT_RiGhT left SK for NiP while Xizt who was part of that fnatic line-up that was winning also left. They transitioned the earliest possible even at a time when the game was not in good shape and it still wasn't super clear if it would succeed.
2. The early transition is in big part what fueled the bulk of that 87-0 streak. Over 50 matches of those 87 came in the first year (actually last quarter of 2012 since it's when the pro scene started). The level of competition was much much lower, map pool was smaller, and utility usage was not as sophisticated.
3. GeT_RIGhT and f0rest (regarded 1.6 GOAT by many) were no doubt beasts in 2012 and 2013 but the fact that the level of competition was so low, it was much easier to stand ahead of the rest. HLTV didn't even have a top20 players that year as they deemed it a transition year.
4. OK, so the bulk of the 87 year doesn't weigh as much but f0rest and GeT_RiGhT still were the 2 best players of 2013, Xizt was #6 and friberg #11 and that is IMO the 2013 NIP's biggest strength. The problem is that even with players of that caliber, they still were unable to win the most important event of the year. At some point, you gotta wonder if NIP would've dominated as much if they transitioned at the same time as the rest.
5. How would GeT_RiGhT and f0rest 2015 fare against their 2013 counterparts? Well, 2013 took #1 and #2, 2014 took #1 and 7# and 2015 took #11 and #16. You'd think they peaked in 2013 but I'd argue that competition was much much tougher in 2015 when CSGO was in peak popularity. And if we consider early NIP 2015, one could argue they were closer to their 2014 form. Another thing you could argue is that while GeT_RiGhT was #1 in both 2013 and 2014, he had a 1.33 rating in the first year but a 1.15 rating implying that while he did keep the top spot, the level of competition rose considerably.
6. The evolution of the meta between 2013 and 2015 was enormous. NIP 2013 played its entire era with only 5 maps. Utility had evolved and so did peak player performance. For comparison, olofmeister was #1 in 2015 and he ended with a 1.15 rating. So one could ask, what would happen if you dropped NIP 2015 in 2013, and my answer would be that they'd run over everyone just like the previous iteration did. Truth is the NIP 2015 did not have a huge level of success because the game was not the same anymore. More competition, different meta.
Conclusion: While you could argue that 2013 had more cohesion as team, fifflaren would bring down the team a bit as allu was miles ahead and the AWP would play a big role. And the difference in meta and the overall evolution of the game would push 2015 over the line. 2013 GeT_RiGhT could never pull off the same plays in 2015. The clash of the two iterations of GeT_RiGhT and f0rest would balance out and the "more evolved" team would win.
Cheers.
nah 2013 get right would steam roll 2015 get right cause he was younger and 2015 Get right was simply already slowly declining. If get right was like 18 at the start of csgo he would have accomplished more.
While they’re referring to the 2013 line up as ‘the streak team’ the lineup lasted much longer than that and continued winning and placing well afterwards, even into 2014 when the scene was much more established and competitive. If the line up fell off right after the streak I would agree with you, but there was much more to them than that. I think they have it over the later line up.
One of the best pieces of content in CSGO right now! It is good to remember all the things that happened pre 2015 and would be a good insight to anyone that was not around at that time
The flusha fps thing
I gotta add that the same thing happens with ping for me
When i am in aps on inferno for instance if my ping raises there is someone nearby and if not it is clear
I dont know how or why this happens but it does
thats some hax right there
Keep this series up please it’s amazing
Please post these more then once a week I need it lmao
23:00 that‘s why that fnc is my all time fav lineup (even though i love simple)
they were such badasses and really didnt give a fuck, they were basically doing what every rookie says they are gonna do in that the stage, fans, pressure, booing etc doesnt scare them
It's so nerdy and I love it
This series made me watch some old games. Old fnatic, Jesus Christ. What team.
the 2015 Katowice final vs NiP was un fucking real, one of the all time greats for me
Started following the scene in 2018, this content is so good!
flusha went from lifting the mouse to lifting trophies
Chad’s reaction to Jason’s Devilwalk story 🤣🤣
00:30-Fnatic vs cloud9
33:30 2013 NiP vs. 2015 NiP (+allu -fiflaren)
Time to watch thorin's reflections with flusha again.
this series is amazing. Also, there will never be a more enjoyable time watching CS than -15 fnatic. Pure and filthy entertainment
2019 Liquid and stews trashtalk maybe. We may never get NA trashtalk from the best team in the world again.
@@trollface9903 Fair, i meant in terms of playstyle and the experience watching the games
This is awesome Rich love arguing along with you guys :D please keep this comign!
I kinda wish I hadn't seen this series till it was done... At this rate it'll be 6 months before the finals
for me, its 2015 fnatic. the most fun ive ever had watching cs, just pure thrill when they played, such a unique style.
Richard, Thorin, Jason, & Spunj 🔥🔥 this is 1 hour of pure fire
58:40 the streak nip were literally the roger pirates (one piece reference)
Don't watch CSGO but the story telling here is really good, thank you for this
this is my fav podcast ryt now
It would be great to discuss the maps picked and things like that I'm the analisis
Thorin saying omae wa mou shindeiru and talking about flusha cheating and the insane yet genius explanation devilwalk gave are all top tier best of btn class content
This is top tier content
Nostalgia right there. Just like the new hairline
Always quality content appreciated
Love this series!
Been here since 2014 baby and been into cs since 04
Started watching pro cs and playing back in the day from watching NiP 2014-2016
Thorin that's my favorite flusha joke in a long minute.
Can’t wait for more
This is so good when youve followed csgo since 2014
Great series!
Could we get a series like this but for all the greatest players, would be great
Im pretty sure everyone around that time thought Flusha was cheating. People point to his random clips. But most people who play the game looked at his nade usage. He would throw random HEs with no info and hit players for 40 hp.
great show
personally not a fan of the zooming/full screen of individuals, except for short highlights like in the RL show
missing out on the reactions of the others
Pleb comment: pretty sure SmithZz was a "support AWPer" before Skadoodle.
This is gold
richard posting 1 hour podcast before my shit, guess im taking a 1hr shit
I think 2015 Fnatic are the only team you could pick up from their era and drop in 2022 and they would still be fighting for the no1 spot, except for Prime Astralis (who could technically still be playing together now so its not the same)
Best content I've ever seen
If this series end, I’ll Riot. Badum tsss
The epitome of the NA support awper, JDM
_/DM
Loving this
Flusha STAYS liftin
Fnatic Olof incredible.
Fifflarens glasses XD
Nip 2013 vs Astralis 2018 already??? Rip :(
I wanted to see this Nip team meet the 2017 Astralis or TSM so they could choke against Nip. And then have 2018 Astralis meet them in a semi or grand final to avenge themselves...
Fire content
Surprised there was no mention of Maikelele considering he was Fifflaren's initial replacement and they went on to get to a major final, win some tournaments before cutting him in 2015, I feel like he's a bigger part of NiP's history considering he also stood in and won another tournament with them in 2016.
ANY NA TEAM LOOKING FOR AN AWP'R BACK IN 2018: we open the book of good NA awpers. we see skadoodle. we close the book of good NA awpers.
Bangers
Give me a podcast with these 4 now
25:05 lmao
i cant believe you guys didnt mention that "we are fnatic" video they dropped in the midst of their hate heyday before cologne 2015 i believe. it was so tone deaf and hilariously cringe, they pulled it, but i remember thinking it was so funny and unintentionally gangster.
32:19
Allu is a fucking legend though
you have to be dogshit at the game to seriously think the flusha clips are based. like looking back at them and comparing them to modern day normal skill play, he was just ahead of the curve with pre aiming/crosshair placement. Shox was super salty and has also retracted his statement on flusha so theres that. i suggest going to watch his stream aswell vods from throughout the years, he has INSANE ingame hearing like INSANE compared to others he hears steps that people never hear unless you rewind.
Was Chad stoned for this ?
I hate the fact that you're all talking about "clips you could not explain". Would be great if you would go into more detail and link those clips from Flusha which you could not explain. Because most of them are easy to explain.
Yes, and somehow no-one seems to have played with low sense or on a small mousepad, because they have no idea why you might have to lift your mouse, or might be used to it.