I would bet that 99% of the people having cycling issues with certain ammo never cleaned the shipping/storage preservative lube out of the gas system before firing it for the first time. Not a single video of people getting these, unboxing, and then testing ever mention post import prep... these things are soaked in it when they ship them and import them. Gas systems are supposed to be dry and no one ever mentions it... Therefor i think most issues are user error.
Love this guy, he's the real deal. Had him as my licence instructor, great teacher, authentic and just as fun in person. Told him I was going for the M4, he recommended checking out the Operator(he never mentioned he was a youtube star how modest). Today I RUclipsd a review to show my bro the Operator in action and Bam! there's Steve. Liked and subscribed, keep up the great work guys. Edit: only con I can see in this video(and it's a hell of a nitpick), but technically your shirt should say "save the chubby bicorns". Sorry Steve, it's basic biology.
You have made my mind. Have been on and off thinking about getting this shotgun for the last year. My local store happens to have a couple in stock. Going tomorrow haha
Yeah. Just as good means after all it lasts the same amount of rounds. Those 25k from the m4 are very impressive. However, the average user will buy the gun and use it every now and then. The m4 might be a little bit of overkill there.
I just got this piece and shot it without breaking it down first and cleaning it out everything was loose the Pistons and the end caps were loose and plus with all that extra lube in there and made a hell of a mess and blackened the whole tube and parts of the barrel
A patent attorney would tell you that in order to 'extend' a patent, there must be a compelling reason. Most common is that the patent took a longer time than usual to grant. If it takes more than 3 years after application, the Congress can extend it on an individual case basis. There are some other possible reasons, but it's very rare to receive an extension.
i have several guns made in Turkey ,never had any trouble with any of them , all of them seem to be clones of some other brand , but the price is just unbeatable
Mine came in a cardboard box, and 3 chokes. But cycles like a champ. Have M4 as well and honestly the heavy load gate and a few other little fit and finish issues the operator feels and cycles similarly.
Mine was a bit rough in spots but no worse than a Mossberg or Remington. A few stoppages with Winchester white box 7 1/2 shot in about 250 rounds. My magazine cap loosened, when I fixed it there hasn't been another issue.
I walked into Wild West shooting Center in west Edmonton mall last weekend and threw my card on the desk, “hurry up and take my money!” Haha the guy working gave a great review, and from what I’ve seen and read about the operator it’s identical and flawless for the price. Picked one up no questions asked
Are the sights and trigger hard plastic? I saw some comments online saying that compared to benelli. Not a deal breaker I'll probably get the canuck soon anyway
So far my operator has been holding up. I took it beer boar last fall and was pleased with how well it grouped with slugs. Weird though cause mine came with a m4 stock
Have to follow up on the "praise" for O'dell, O'dell did not help me with my lemon of a Canuck shotgun. I am still stuck with it trying to figure out why it work chamber rounds properly. O'dell simply said "We tested it, it works fine!".
Mine came with defective chokes. Large shards of metal bent into the bore. I was told to buff it out with Emory cloth. I would need a file to remove that much steel, and then it would be deformed. I’m returning mine while I can. If their product is so poor and their service is so terrible, I’m not waiting around for something major to break. The fit and finish on these Turkish guns remind me of knives made in Pakistan.
I bought mine from an Ontario based dealer and it only came in with a brown box that included the chokes. Others in gun forums have said the same. Whatever happened to the case I don't know.
@@ericcharpentier01 trigger group failure…sear was not catching the hammer causing double taps and full auto fire. Few instances it would fire on release of trigger after pressing it to the rear with no shot. I email O’Dell and they sent me a new trigger group on warranty. New trigger is installed and works properly
I love it when people say I just shot this thing right out of the box never shoot a gun right out of the box always disassemble it check for excessive lube out of the factory clean it inspect everything make sure everything's tight
I'm American and I'm already seeing several different versions of this coming to America. I'm gonna see if they sell one with that adjustable stock. I really like it
I think the ultimate test is will the Turk brand clone have the same QC as the real deal. I think people who want a semi auto shotgun would lean towards this if it works.
At least in Canada when buying a Benelli M4 you actually get a collapsible stock and 7 round tube instead of a fixed stock and 5 round tube here in the USA
I'm 500 rounds into my operator elite and the gun no longer cycles. Double feed every damn time... Not sure if the shell stop has worn down or what. Tried different loads and no difference. Super disappointed, I was really starting to like this shotgun.
Thank you,after watching this video i decided to purchase the OPERATOR not because of price i can afford the Benelli but why spend the money when the OPERATOR is just as good.THANK YOU AGAIN .
Mine came with the non collapsible stock as a option as im sure yours did. When i attach it it tightens and the back with the srew to the recoil tube and thats it .The whole stock swings around with zero option to stabilize to the receiver .Am i missing something or is it just shit.
I replaced the fiber on my komando p4 with a green beam saber runner from one of ,y gundam model kits and it picks up light prety good as truglo :) and i glued it on and sofsr its held up
I know you said this was a 5-round capacity. Is that because the tube 'extension ' is fake but can be switched out for an ACTUAL plus two mag extension?
@@coastghost1649 As I understood this reviewer, I thought he was saying that because his gun was a Canadian purchase, the tube only held five shells. The tube that is on the model he is showcasing usually holds seven shells in other shotguns I have seen that look like this. My Remington 870, for example, of same dimensions with the same length tube holds seven shells. This is what inspired my question.
In the States I think its a Panzer M4. And, is it camera angle, or is the loading gate really that much shorter? Was combat reloadin any more difficult?
@John Gallagher honestly I'm shocked. I put 300 rounds of buckshot 2 3/4 and slugs about 100 rounds and haven't had one malfunction. I did clean it after 100 rounds tho. And I haven't tried 3"
@@DailyDoseOfCanada I believe most shotguns need a "loading port modification" unless the shotguns are made specifically for 3-gun to do a double or quad load.
@@DailyDoseOfCanada Maybe I just suck at it. I tried this with my Mossberg 590A1 and it buckles. I've tried on the 3 gun Versa Max and I was able to do it because the port was modified.
We have the real Benelli m4. But we also have the MAC 1014. The Benelli clone except its made without a pistol grip and made of wood. Runs amazing, have 0 complaints out of my Military Armament Corp 1014.
The main reason why extending a patent is hard is that it is not economically efficient to do so. Patents essentially create monopolies, which tend to overcharge for the products and take advantage of the consumers. In order to promote R&D, the governments often give a patent for a certain amount of time, during that time frame the company can overcharge the product to recover the cost of R&D, which creates incentives for research and development which promote healthy economic growth. Once the patent expires, it is better to allow for other competitors to "copy" the product thus encourage competition which help to drive the price of the product down, this is also better for the consumer and economy.
Is this available in the US? I can't find it anywhere online. Even Gunbroker doesn't list one single Operator. Can it be imported directly to a FFL in the US?
For a combat 12 auto I won’t change from an inertia system, hit me again. I have a Beretta 1201 FP that will not give up the ghost. TBS as I suspected has marketing bias. I would still be interested in your apres 1500 round test. Thanks for your efforts, subscribed.
I got mine a couple weeks ago and love it... can't tell the difference between the M4 and the Operator! and for just shy of $800 this is a steal of a deal compared to the $2.5K for the Italian one. I bet you these are made in the same manufacturing plant that M4 are (or used to be) made. Anyways - great video and 100% recommend this boom stick!
This channel is such a hidden gem
Thanks! Hopefully you have subscribed - we have a lot more on the way!
I just found the hidden gem and subscribed.
@@effu9375 me too!
I was thinking the same thing.
As a American, It's refreshing to see other gun channels not hosted by other Americans. You earned a subscriber
I would bet that 99% of the people having cycling issues with certain ammo never cleaned the shipping/storage preservative lube out of the gas system before firing it for the first time. Not a single video of people getting these, unboxing, and then testing ever mention post import prep... these things are soaked in it when they ship them and import them. Gas systems are supposed to be dry and no one ever mentions it... Therefor i think most issues are user error.
Hey there, I'd like to learn more about this, do you have info I can learn?
@@MajorShy I made a vid of mine.. it covers this subject and explains. click my name and in the guns section.
what do you mean by Import? This isn't a made in Canada gun?
Love this guy, he's the real deal. Had him as my licence instructor, great teacher, authentic and just as fun in person. Told him I was going for the M4, he recommended checking out the Operator(he never mentioned he was a youtube star how modest). Today I RUclipsd a review to show my bro the Operator in action and Bam! there's Steve. Liked and subscribed, keep up the great work guys.
Edit: only con I can see in this video(and it's a hell of a nitpick), but technically your shirt should say "save the chubby bicorns". Sorry Steve, it's basic biology.
You have made my mind. Have been on and off thinking about getting this shotgun for the last year. My local store happens to have a couple in stock. Going tomorrow haha
Dude you need to start telling us where you get these shirts
Right? I want that shirt
Art15 clothing.. i saw that shirt there before their website got hacked..they are comimg back tho
You should compare hardness of the piston material and other parts to see if there are potential longevity differences.
They never consider these things. They run a few hundred rounds and consider it just as good.
I've got photos of broken hammers from these turkish guns, they're no good.
Yeah. Just as good means after all it lasts the same amount of rounds. Those 25k from the m4 are very impressive. However, the average user will buy the gun and use it every now and then. The m4 might be a little bit of overkill there.
At minimum, I want to see a 500 round burndown like TFB does
I'm sure the real m4 has better metal work but this weapon will serve its purpose definitely a good place holder aswell.
I just got this piece and shot it without breaking it down first and cleaning it out everything was loose the Pistons and the end caps were loose and plus with all that extra lube in there and made a hell of a mess and blackened the whole tube and parts of the barrel
A patent attorney would tell you that in order to 'extend' a patent, there must be a compelling reason. Most common is that the patent took a longer time than usual to grant.
If it takes more than 3 years after application, the Congress can extend it on an individual case basis. There are some other possible reasons, but it's very rare to receive an extension.
i have several guns made in Turkey ,never had any trouble with any of them , all of them seem to be clones of some other brand , but the price is just unbeatable
Mine came in a cardboard box, and 3 chokes.
But cycles like a champ.
Have M4 as well and honestly the heavy load gate and a few other little fit and finish issues the operator feels and cycles similarly.
Mine was a bit rough in spots but no worse than a Mossberg or Remington. A few stoppages with Winchester white box 7 1/2 shot in about 250 rounds.
My magazine cap loosened, when I fixed it there hasn't been another issue.
I walked into Wild West shooting Center in west Edmonton mall last weekend and threw my card on the desk, “hurry up and take my money!” Haha the guy working gave a great review, and from what I’ve seen and read about the operator it’s identical and flawless for the price. Picked one up no questions asked
We'd love to hear what you think so far!
need to see the durability of the operator vs the M4. Material quality etc the thickness
Always look forward to these videos. Well done!
I love my operator. I bought it last June before the green and dessert camo came out mine did have 5 chokes. Great gun, super soft recoil.
Are the sights and trigger hard plastic? I saw some comments online saying that compared to benelli. Not a deal breaker I'll probably get the canuck soon anyway
Another awesome vid! These shotguns look awesome.
Thx guys !! MOAR !!!
Thanks! New vid coming out tomorrow!
So far my operator has been holding up. I took it beer boar last fall and was pleased with how well it grouped with slugs. Weird though cause mine came with a m4 stock
If it came with the M4 style twist and pull stock. It’s because you have the new ELITE version which comes with a few new upgrades
Have to follow up on the "praise" for O'dell, O'dell did not help me with my lemon of a Canuck shotgun. I am still stuck with it trying to figure out why it work chamber rounds properly. O'dell simply said "We tested it, it works fine!".
Mine came with defective chokes. Large shards of metal bent into the bore. I was told to buff it out with Emory cloth. I would need a file to remove that much steel, and then it would be deformed. I’m returning mine while I can. If their product is so poor and their service is so terrible, I’m not waiting around for something major to break. The fit and finish on these Turkish guns remind me of knives made in Pakistan.
I bought mine from an Ontario based dealer and it only came in with a brown box that included the chokes. Others in gun forums have said the same. Whatever happened to the case I don't know.
For a third of the price, there has the be corners cut somewhere. Even if you can’t see them with the naked eye.
Plastic trigger group, defective choke tubes are two of the things I noticed. The fit and finish are cheap, like a knife made in Pakistan.
Solid argument with the dinosaurs in JP 🤣🤣🤣👍
Also love the Unicorn shirt!
Mine just had a major malfunction to the point where it’s not safe anymore. Will reach out to O’Dell for warranty/parts on Monday
Can you expand on this? And how did it resolved?
@@ericcharpentier01 trigger group failure…sear was not catching the hammer causing double taps and full auto fire. Few instances it would fire on release of trigger after pressing it to the rear with no shot. I email O’Dell and they sent me a new trigger group on warranty. New trigger is installed and works properly
Sulun arms tac12 is a very nice copy too
I love it when people say I just shot this thing right out of the box never shoot a gun right out of the box always disassemble it check for excessive lube out of the factory clean it inspect everything make sure everything's tight
I got the Turk m4 it won’t cycle bird shot but buckshot or slugs it runs fine I’ve only run 20 shells through it so far
watch this video a few month ago, thanks for the info, i bought a operator and i love it.
I'm American and I'm already seeing several different versions of this coming to America. I'm gonna see if they sell one with that adjustable stock. I really like it
Thank you, appreciate the review
I believe my rokin k4 is the same shotty. Love it.
Subscribed! Well done, great video.
Just found you today. Subbed. Very good stuff
I think the ultimate test is will the Turk brand clone have the same QC as the real deal. I think people who want a semi auto shotgun would lean towards this if it works.
Did you ever manage to remove the firing pin? I’ve been trying to remove the retaining pin all night and I just gave up.
I know someone on youtube that has the turkey gun had the housing of his ejector pin get deformed and locked his bolt up. He fixed it but still.
At least in Canada when buying a Benelli M4 you actually get a collapsible stock and 7 round tube instead of a fixed stock and 5 round tube here in the USA
Its limited to 5 in the tube. The crimp is just inside, and not as ugly
how well do mods and accessories meant for the Benelli fit on the CaNUCK?
Savage impulse next 😁😁
Thanks for the neutral and objective reviews. Much appreciated. Keep up the good work my fellow Canadians 😁😜
@7:40 your trigger assembly pin is backwards lol
What is the capacity with 2 3/4 shells? I assume the 5+1 is for 3 inch shells, but, I don't know so I am asking. Thanks for your answers.
I'm 500 rounds into my operator elite and the gun no longer cycles. Double feed every damn time... Not sure if the shell stop has worn down or what. Tried different loads and no difference. Super disappointed, I was really starting to like this shotgun.
Awesome review and now off to buy one thanks again
I do understand 5 rounds but then do a two round ghost load ( 7 shots )
Bob in Texas
This is also chambered in 3inch for 5.9 shells, so you can sneak more regular shells in the tube within the reasons of our ludicrous laws.
Thank you,after watching this video i decided to purchase the OPERATOR not because of price i can afford the Benelli but why spend the money when the OPERATOR is just as good.THANK YOU AGAIN .
Mine came with the non collapsible stock as a option as im sure yours did. When i attach it it tightens and the back with the srew to the recoil tube and thats it .The whole stock swings around with zero option to stabilize to the receiver .Am i missing something or is it just shit.
how does it handle bird shot? supposedly the m4 have issue running them ( low power low brass)
It would have been nice to see internals and takedown compared.
Long term test?
Thanks for the feedback! We'll see if this could be something we can do down the road....
@The Shooting Edge Canada long term review! Or elite version overview!
😊 I have the Canuck Commander, and I'm able to hit clays 8 out of 10 times without a red dot, and this is longer.
So far I haven't been able to find any good breakdown and cleaning videos
I replaced the fiber on my komando p4 with a green beam saber runner from one of ,y gundam model kits and it picks up light prety good as truglo :) and i glued it on and sofsr its held up
Such a great review!! 🌠
awesome video. thanks for the review!
I know you said this was a 5-round capacity. Is that because the tube 'extension ' is fake but can be switched out for an ACTUAL plus two mag extension?
Probbaly because of the internal mag tube plug from the factory. Remove it and you're back to 5
@@coastghost1649 As I understood this reviewer, I thought he was saying that because his gun was a Canadian purchase, the tube only held five shells. The tube that is on the model he is showcasing usually holds seven shells in other shotguns I have seen that look like this.
My Remington 870, for example, of same dimensions with the same length tube holds seven shells.
This is what inspired my question.
@@williamrandolph1566 in canada, a semi auto center fire gun can only have a mag capacity of 5 (and one in the chamber). pistol mags can have 10.
Great video.... Have you tried interchanging parts between the Canuck and the Benelli and seeing how they function? Keep up the great work
WS MCR vs WK-180 or tavor in 308 for the next vid
I have the Canuck Engage it it runs flawless too. Super cool looking too. Gonna look at this Operator also.
Great review. You sir have just earned a subscriber lol
In the States I think its a Panzer M4. And, is it camera angle, or is the loading gate really that much shorter? Was combat reloadin any more difficult?
Hi guys. Is the newer Operator Elite as good, better...? Thanks
So how is the 12ga 601 holding up ?
Are there any mag extensions for these beautys?
I got the impact ,r4 instead came cerakoted came with 3 chokes and it's the closest clone to the beneli still was 50 cheaper than canuck
the panzer m4 is the true 1 to 1 clone to the benelli m4
@@tylerh7298 its not, bolt are different.
@John Gallagher honestly I'm shocked. I put 300 rounds of buckshot 2 3/4 and slugs about 100 rounds and haven't had one malfunction. I did clean it after 100 rounds tho. And I haven't tried 3"
How’s the availability, they look to be in high demand?
Great video!!! 🤘🏻
Does this have a removable plug in the tube or is it a welded piece of metal to limit it to 5 shells?
Can you do the "quad speed load" with the Canuck Operator?
You can quad load any shotgun with a tube magazine that holds at least 4 shells
@@DailyDoseOfCanada I believe most shotguns need a "loading port modification" unless the shotguns are made specifically for 3-gun to do a double or quad load.
@@shinhijikata3255 no I don't believe. I am telling you I quad load my Remingtom 870 Marine all the time with no modification to the loading port.
@@DailyDoseOfCanada Maybe I just suck at it. I tried this with my Mossberg 590A1 and it buckles. I've tried on the 3 gun Versa Max and I was able to do it because the port was modified.
@@shinhijikata3255 all good man keep practicing! I have been shooting shotguns my whole life if that helps
We have the real Benelli m4. But we also have the MAC 1014. The Benelli clone except its made without a pistol grip and made of wood. Runs amazing, have 0 complaints out of my Military Armament Corp 1014.
The main reason why extending a patent is hard is that it is not economically efficient to do so. Patents essentially create monopolies, which tend to overcharge for the products and take advantage of the consumers. In order to promote R&D, the governments often give a patent for a certain amount of time, during that time frame the company can overcharge the product to recover the cost of R&D, which creates incentives for research and development which promote healthy economic growth. Once the patent expires, it is better to allow for other competitors to "copy" the product thus encourage competition which help to drive the price of the product down, this is also better for the consumer and economy.
Is this on the bill 21 list now?
Ok....im sold.
What does big ben do better outside of brand?
It's tree sap resin!!
Also, great video!
review the tavor 7!!!!
If we can get our hands on one, we will! We had one on the shelf a couple of weeks ago, but it was snapped up.
Is this available in the US? I can't find it anywhere online. Even Gunbroker doesn't list one single Operator. Can it be imported directly to a FFL in the US?
my didnt come with a hard case ...just paper box lol
now i want a hard case
I wonder if the m4 parts fit this gun? so if I wanted to replace anything I could replace it with m4 parts.
Where did you go?
Hey, thanks for the post! Great looking piece of gear. Have u compared operator and engage side by side? No issues mounting a side saddle on either?
For a combat 12 auto I won’t change from an inertia system, hit me again. I have a Beretta 1201 FP that will not give up the ghost. TBS as I suspected has marketing bias. I would still be interested in your apres 1500 round test. Thanks for your efforts, subscribed.
Tanfoglio cloned cz pistols was that a bad thing
I genuinely thought "Canuk Operator" was some sort of nickname or such lol
Where can someone buy this shotgun in America
can you use bennilli parts i was told there interchangeable is that true
is this the same mechanism as the canuck operator and the benelli m4?
I got mine a couple weeks ago and love it... can't tell the difference between the M4 and the Operator! and for just shy of $800 this is a steal of a deal compared to the $2.5K for the Italian one. I bet you these are made in the same manufacturing plant that M4 are (or used to be) made.
Anyways - great video and 100% recommend this boom stick!
Can you get one in the USA?
Love mine but I wish the firing pin was not such a pain to remove compared to other models
Yes. Not like the actual M4. Bit of a pain
You should do the Canuck Engage next! Not many quality videos of that one
Does it take Benelli accessories?
I'd like to know if that clone stock would fit and work on a 3 position Benelli m4? Is it worth $88?.
Can you feed stubby shells through it?
I would also like to know that.
Haven't tried cut shells in it. It might work as Argo system does tend to compensate for that.
But ... also not sure I want to be the test bed either.
Can we see a WS-MCR review? Or Ruger PC Carbine?
Does it good for hunting as well? What is the average (meter) the gun can shoot for hunting ?
do they make an M3 clone?
Hi great review can i get the info of your friend that sells that shotgun
We sell them at our store - here is the link: www.theshootingedge.com/cproduct/6530/canuck-operator-18*5
Good review man but the music is just wild, i would lean on what youre saying and suddenly my eardrums explodes by the loud music
Is tne Charles Daly M4 clone basically identical and just as good? Thoughts appreciated
I want that tshirt
Pretty sure the canuck is inertia driven only? At least from other reviews
how triggers compare?