The Death of Dr. John Forsyth - Crypto, drugs, something else? | BRAINSCRATCH
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One thing about the 5 phones... I'm a programmer and if he was building mobile apps, esp. secure ones that would be required for crypto, then he most likely used them for testing his apps. Companies that I've worked with have scores of phones from different manufacturers for us to test on, each with different operating system versions, screen sizes, etc. Honestly, for self-employed app developers, 5 is on the low side, but would cover a decent percentage of the market. I'm surprised he didn't have at least 2 or 3 tablets for testing too. It would be different if he had 5 sims and was actively using them all for aspects of his personal life.
However, having 8 kids with another on the way - now that's excessive.
Yes that kids thing was 🤢 but Mormons are trying to build an army of their kind - usually white and blond 😂
And from a non programmer security tech point of view (not that it pertains to this case), but just to say it can be common for people to have 4+ phones for a variety of reasons. One for personal use, one for work especially since a lot of companies provide work phones and I don't like virtual numbers I like explicitly having something separate. One for use of social media and apps on a phone that doesn't have any personal information or contacts/conversations that can be mined by the apps is becoming extremely common in my friend group. Another usually older phone for travel something that if it's lost or stolen won't really be missed. With how things are now it can be a little antiquated from a few points of view to think it's shady to have multiple phones whether they're active phones or not.
I'm from this area and have been a patient of Dr Forsyth years ago. Everyone is absolutely devastated by what's happened and are praying for answers and justice. Personally I don't think he took his own life. There's so much that's confusing about what's been made public as well as rumors and such. Thanks for covering this case again. God bless.
Emergency physician here: almost impossible to steal controlled substances from the hospital these days. Anything removed from the supply has to be associated with a patient, and doctors don’t typically have access to the system. And every day the supply is counted and must match expected count based on what has been used, and each removal prompts verification of remaining supply.
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When I worked in hospital I had my personal phone and a work phone provided by the employer and to be turned in when you job is over.
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He's a wealthy guy. Wealthy people buy the latest model phones. Nowhere is it stated he was operating 5 phones in his daily life. 3 of them could have been in a draw.
Also, he had developed his own crypto tokens which probably involved a proprietary app. You need multiple devices to test this kind of software.
What an unusual person! His life seems overwhelming, but of course he structured it that way so I guess he enjoyed all of the stimulation.
Rule out spectrum mood disorder - hypomanic(?)
Vexing case, wonderful analysis. BrainScratch is definitely my favorite series on this channel (and one of my favorites on RUclips).
My brother passed Nov 1st, and we are told it will be 4-6 months before we get autopsy results because of the backlog. I'm in Boone County, MO but apparently it's a statewide issue.
So sorry for your loss 🙏
@@aprilvilliar7907 thank you. He struggled for a very long time, and he doesn't anymore. That's what brings me peace.
I am so sorry for your loss.
Thanks John, always grateful for another upload. Your work is a big part of my life.
You’d find 5 phones in my house but not all active. Is there any confirmation that the five phones were actually active with phone numbers or actively being used? Also, it sounds like he is from a large Mormon family, and from that perspective, you can’t discount the very good chance of him living a compartmentalized life. I mean, who gets abducted and doesn’t tell anyone? Well, usually someone who *can’t* tell family or who can’t go to police.
Thats what my immediate thought was too! If you're really hard on phones, you could totally accumulate five old/broken phones that you havent gotten around to getting all the data off of, etc.
Don't apologise for the length of the video! You need to include a lot of information, naturally that takes time! I'm hoping the investigation makes good progress. Having that many phones looks odd, but if he only uses two (work and private), and the rest are older models in disuse but kept for whatever reason (I know I have at least three), that would instantly make people think of it as less shady. We don't know his life. Perhaps he had a phone for hospital work, his private business, his friends, another for family members, perhaps he broke phones easily, and had some spares. I'm not judging him for having phones - it is, however, potentially helpful to the investigation that they can access them.
Just on the subject of the 5 phones found in his RV. I have at least 4 phones in various drawers in my place. As I have upgraded to a newer phone my previous phone just gets shoved in a drawer and forgotten about, and so on, so not really unusual to have 5 phones that may have accumulated over the years. Now if it was 5 active phones that is different.
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Sounds like he had ALOT on his plate…….Prayers to all his family.
Yeah. More than enough. Remember the guy on Ed Sullivan who used to spin plates on sticks, like a dozen or more?
He'd leave his stuff behind if held at gun point or if he wasn't in the car and was already dead...the keys being in it is a huge red flag for foul play
Never been so early. Always ready for another upload John
You really can't discount anything with this case. A true mystery.
Kathy in Missouri here "I know the truth " ... I did not pass". He really says a lot there. Thanks for all you do.
Five phones is definitely concerning. I know that many people will buy two phones, especially if one is for business, but using a virtual phone number, or numbers, would lessen the need for multiple phones. Regardless of what happened, this is a very tragic case.
No it's not. I've always got several phones on the go, my phone takes 3hrs 20 mins to charge and I can't wait so I have spares plus phones I bought previously that I just use to play on.
You can have 1 phone with duel Sim cards
@@JulieRushworthThey only have 2 sims. You don't need a sim in your phone to use it.
They said they _found_ his five phones. They never said he _used_ five phones in his daily life. Someone as wealthy as Dr Forsyth may have bought the latest models on release just because they love the tech. It doesn't necessarily have to be suspicious. 3 of those phones could have been sitting in a draw.
Whatsmore, he had developed his own crypto token, which probably involved a custom made app. You need devices to test this kind of software.
I knew he must be Mormon. Seven kids. 😢
When it involves privacy issues and sensitive information, mixing a personal phone with professional phone is typically something people stay away from. I refuse to use my personal phone for professional purposes due to the type of work.
37 years of law enforcement tells me that when you have that many phones you are doing something illegal on at least one and if you destroy that phone you can have the other phones clean of any criminal activity. This is just my observation during my career.
I know from my work in the uk, someone contacting children on apps has a secret phone ( not saying that this is a fact in this case)
Definitely suspicious. Brother knows more….
Agreed. 1 for secret life; 1 for professional life as a lot of doctors have; and 1 for regular life.
Did police ever said he had five active phones with five separate lines? Just saying, I have two phones. One that I use, and one old phone that I haven't gotten around to throwing away, and keep around in case I break my current phone and need something to use while I get another.
@@advena996 it’s difficult to tell from the assortment of news stories. Some contradict each other. It was on this video and this is a pretty good channel.
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Thank you for covering this. I haven’t been able to find any updates on my friend and former coworker. It all just seem to go away, although, his car is still in impound at the Cassville PD I know there’s a lot of rumors that have been attached to this story, but he truly was a great doctor not only to work with but treated my own family members. He was witty, quiet and a hard worker. His fiance is the sweetest person and does NOT deserve this.
Brothers statements raise so many red flags!!?
John, You are simply the best in this genre. You have class. I wish I could support you and Meaghan.
Something feels fishy with Richard. It seems like he has interjected himself into this case as some type of family spoke person. The plethora of phones are unusual. Were all the phones active? I really don't think Dr. Forsyth committed suicide. I really feel like Richard knows everything.
Hopefully searching his devices help them discover who / what was involved.
Hmmm, he makes 350k a year as an emergency room doctor and his child support is 228k a year and his fiancé is pregnant which will add more to his financial woes. He also just settled his second wrongful death suit in court with an undisclosed amount in 2022. I think it was self inflicted. It's tragic but it's no crime.
I hope police are looking into any disgruntled patients he may have had and their family members.
This case is so intriguing. I wish more information on the kidnapping was available. If that report is accurate, it is logical it is related. Do we know if law enforcement verified this with the original reporter. I apologize if I missed it.
Right. The brother could have made that whole story up to get the suspicion off of himself. This is so weird.
I do not live far from Cassville, MO; it is a very small community. I have not heard of this case. Thank You, John.
Good Afternoon John, thank you; have a great weekend! Lindsey from Utah
Thank’s again, John
Who wouldn't call the police after being threatened & kidnapped?
Regarding an ER Dr (especially in a small town) having two phones.. My first thought was, he had his personal phone, and one exclusively for the hosp in case of emergencies, not drug dealing.
And then 3 more for... ?
I don't really think he was dealing drugs or such (seems counter to a doctor's ethics), but 5 phones is strange.
@@winterhaydn One for lovers, one for his business, and one for family.
I have alarm bells going off in regard to his brother Richard.
This is our town. Such a strange case!
John thank you for sharing this case. Everyone have a Happy Holidays.
I feel like I'm simultaneously watching Dear Zachary and the ending of the series House and I'm like flipping back and forth between the two...
Very interesting episode. I do feel very badly for his family and children. It does seem like he definitely had aspects of his life that he kept hitting.
I see a dateline or 2020 investigation in the future for this one.
Hiding?
I was wondering about hospital surveillance also. How do we know he wasn’t killed somewhere else and perps drove the car to the park to try to dump it? The low quality surveillance doesn’t really confirm it’s him. I think their is a possibility he was using drugs rather than selling. Doing 70-100 hours a week is exhausting. I think he could have been buying stimulants to keep him going. I can’t figure why he was killed other than robbery and perhaps he did large purchases rather than regular smaller ones to avoid suspicion. I think he was robbed. I think he ran different bank accounts much like the phones to hide his activity.
It doesn’t help, that the brother actually looks like a super villain 🤷🏼
Staying in a camper at the hospital reminds me of "Trapper John, M.D.".
There is something disturbing about a guy who has seven kids AND another out of wedlock AND another out of wedlock on the way. This makes 9 kids with 3 women. Plus secret events like being kidnapped. Not surprised this went south.
Agreed
Sounds like a sex addict
Yes!!!! Thanks.
Mormon weirdness
As a medical person you have to assign every drug yiu dispense to someone. Only way people get away with it these days is to inject themselves then fill with water as far as i know. I know someone who got caught doing this. Its pretty impossible to steal drugs from hospitals these days.
Yep, Brother is a little off. My guess it is a personality thing, not associated with guilt or innocence.
This is a bizarre case for sure. I heard about it when it happened but hadnt heard all the info you gave in this video. It's amazing! Good work John. This is crazy though and the brother feels a little weird. I feel sorry for the Drs children.
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True. That's why we must pick & choose carefully. The work that John does has always spoke to me & that's why I will do whatever I can to support him.
I think I remember seeing an ER doc on TikTok put out a video when he was missing. :(
Why in the world would you, out of the blue, say to your mother, I don't think I'm going to live much longer and then when mom says why you say oh nothing?!!
If u cant donate at least let the commercials play for the guy so they can use that revenue. Everyone can at least do that
That is a lot of kids this guy has wow
Mormon, okay. But another child by a woman, not named.
He was going there to meet someone. Do they have any suspects? Does his ex have a life insurance policy on him? Does he have any enemies? Did they check emails and text? 10:51
Insurance with 7 kids, hope so...
Five cell phones! Holy cow. This was a well-planned hit. 😊
Multiple phones is not surprising for someone who holds bitcoin, especially someone that has made a substantial profit. Using several different devices to backup and/or verify your private keys is one way to secure your crypto holdings. Also developers often have phones running different operating systems to test your apps in different environments.
I have more than 5 phones in my possession but I never throw anything away. They’re not all operational obviously.
The fact he was identified without a family member confirming it and the closed casket thing, seems a little odd. How common is it for family not being asked to confirm the identity of a victim?
I'm assume between damage from bullet, and being found in water days later. I would assume closed casket.
Omg I missed that. Curiouser and curiouser ( as they said in Alice in Wonderland) can not wait for a deep dive dateline on this.
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Five phones is just odd. I can’t imagine any need for five phones, elicit or otherwise. It just doesn’t make sense.
His brothers interview was shady shady shady. Imo
Im sure his fingerprints as a Dr were on file.
The brother speaks with a forked tongue.
i'm not really savvy when it comes to how law enforcement works, but isn't somehow the norm to take dna samples early on in a missing person case, so that *if* they find a body it can be quickly identified (or ruled out) ? and they did this identification by 'face recognition'? on a body that potentially had been immersed in water for a week, in late spring ?!?
also, isn't the FBI usually involved when there's a homicide that goes over state lines ? they should have been called in @ the latest when the weapon model was identified, seeing as it's also the common 'cop gun' .....
He killed himself because he had 228k a year child support to one wife, unknown amount to the mother of another child, he settled a wrongful death suit out of court since it was his second one in 2022, and his businesses don't seem to be making money and his income as a doctor is around 350k. He was stretched financially to the point he had to buy a trailer and park it at the hospital so he could take the payments off his income taxes.
He got kidnapped, say no more. I wish he told some one who it was. Or some details of the kidnapping. Very sad to lose such a dedicated dr. Hope they found who did it.
John being mormon, I could undestand three acfive phone. Family pèrsonal, business, and then a second personal(sites or activity not well recieved in his mormon family)
I dont trust that brother, and that's for several reasons....one of them is: never ever have I seen an objekt being intervjued that turns away from the intervjuer and stares right into the camera ...and says that he has no involvment! To me that seems like the characteristics of a narcissist. But,- of course:I could be totally wrong!
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@@juno3962 😁😁😁 Thank you!! I'm Norwegian so my phone really want to spell the norwegian word....and if I forget to watch it....😊.....this happends!!
I wonder if he spoke with police about his earlier abduction and his belief that he was in danger, ‘off the record’?
So if he ended up dead police could begin an investigation with whatever info he provided ‘off record’.
Or perhaps he was put into witness projection?
Why be put in witness protection?
"trailer" lol. It's a $250,000 nice nice RV. I am his cousin by the way. He always had many phones, he was always open about it. One for work, one for family, one for one of his clinics, and another for the cryptocurrency he was developing. I don't think I ever saw him with less than 4 phones. And he had money, money was never an issue. Why not have 4 or 5 phones?! 😂
Sterling…great name…btw…I’m glad u have made ur presence known in this forum. Would you be willing to share what you think happened to your cousin, John?
His death was ruled a suicide yesterday…but the case is still going to remain open….why not rule it inconclusive???
Why so many phones. Maybe he was being blackmailed for something.Its almost 2024 and most cameras are a joke.
Only at his car park section....could someone have called him for help? As a doctor has anyone called him in the past if theyve got in trouble with drugs, injury etc
Or if it was opening the next weekend, could he have been there to prepare or organise something the business needed?
In the uk i know first aid training all has to be renewed and equipment checked etc (but not normally a doctors job)
It was ruled a suicide. 🙄🙄
If the family didn’t see the body while it was with the medical examiner, they could have asked the funeral director to view the body.
17:49.. my question.. was this man addicted to opiates?
Crypto business covering income from drugs? Like a form of money-laundering?
@@sidstovell2177 yes.. I thought money laundering too!
I think it's crypto, John. Lots of shady things around cryptos.
Have Mormons never heard of birth control?
Sounds like he liked female company. That's why he has several phones. His death was either a sex worker appointment gone wrong or a drug deal gone wrong or both.
i wonder if the white SUV driver drove his car there then lead him to the hiking trail 6 hours later between 7 and 1 there's a six hour gap in there that needs to be filled in for more information i would love to know if the 2 phones is connect to that white SUV was there communcicating between the 2 what about the laptop any clues to lead to the whereabouts of Dr. John Forsyth if it drugs then why 2 phones if it crypto related then did the phones or laptop hold the key to breaking this case wide open????
Just made it to the part where he was found dead! That was certainly a shock ! What an odd case.
Great believer in looks like a duck, acts like a duck….. crimson flags waving wildly. I am worried LE might not find anything in the electronics. Dark web man …. Go there…
Have they considered the angry patient/family scenario? We have people who are drug seeking who learn what cars belong to which docs to decide if they want to come in or come back later. Someone with a strong personal problem could do the same thing. You could have a situation where someone has a problem, figures out where he goes after his shift. Then they simply bait him into the car with something like "can you help us? medical situation!" so he goes over and then that's where they get him.
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Maybe he didn't drive the car there. Maybe someone else parked it I'd be looking at a pissed ex on either side or a spurned lover
Given the facts, this really seems that the Dr. for looking for sex at that park. Having several phones might indicate he compartmentalized his life and going to a park after hours is a huge red flag. Im sure he didn't want a sex partner to go back to his trailer where they would then know where he was staying and maybe figure out where he worked.
This is considered too rarely when a man goes missing
Bingo
No disrespect but a thought, some people contact kids on apps with a secret phone
I was thinking the same thing about his visit to the park. It's a common scenario.
@@ahermannblue yep, I used to decoy for a peadophile hunting team
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I don't think the brother did it; he comes across as open and clean to me.
If he didn't report the prior kidnapping it is very likely related to something illegal he was involved with. And that same thing may have gotten him killed. Or maybe he gave some bad advice on Crypto or something and someone lost a lot of money.
I wonder why they didn't use dental records, fingerprints (if available) to identify him, DNA just something more concrete for the families peace of mind
It doesn’t sound like suicide. None of this sounds like that. It’s a homicide 43:38 until evidence comes out to say different. The motive could easily be financial if someone lost money in the crypto currency. It’s going to come down to who the detectives are and how much they can work leads. I wish them well.
SBF and others have ruined lives with their crypto fantasies.
Well, you have to add in last year's wrongful death suit that he settled out of court as well as the 128k a year child support, the other child support he pays, and the new baby on the way.
@@annabellelee4535 Yes but he made millions on his crypto investments. I just don’t see it being anything but criminal homicide. I saw a lot of deaths and autopsies. The physical evidence says homicide and that’s what they must use by law.
Who was the beneficiary of his life insurance policy? I’m sure his brother was listed as one beneficiary since they were business partners. Maybe Richard had motive.
2 phones definitely doesn’t mean drugs 🥴
but 5 phones?
5 phones is suspicious
It doesn't necessarily have to be his newest crypto venture that was the motivation. More likely a previous crypto transaction(s) or other business interest that has caused this revenge killing. This Doctor had a lot of other side hustles going on - a very complicated life for an ER doctor. You'd think that kept him busy enough? Its quite significant that someone tried to kidnap him before and quite hard to believe his brother didn't think it was a significant factor.
Definitely sounds to me this was a homicide I don’t think he has taken his life. Why so many phones. He didn’t take the phone he used to contact his girlfriend but had other phones with him. This guy has a separate part of his life which is probably what got him killed. He was doing something that was separate from his other life. What that is I don’t know.
I wouldn't be surprised to find he had an additional girlfriend.
Some doctors have work phones.
Is it at all possible he was in to trail running and thats why he was in that weird back parking space?
*edit. Nvm. You answered this with the info about his trailer location and the fact he doesnt go walking.
5 phones...
1 for emergency room work
1 for his ex and 7 children
1 for his ex and 1 child
1 for fiancee / friends
1 for parents and siblings
To me, it sounds like a sixth phone is missing... the one for his crypto business.
Thanks. Yikes when you see it listed.
The interview with the brother leaves me feeling off. Really off.
What happened to her daughter?
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I don't see a link to the Charlie project information
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My guess is he was selling prescription drugs, maybe pain killers. The deal went wrong, or the brother is involved.