I love how Paul doesn't instantly discard options like the .22. He actually does the testing, and methodically goes through the actual results. This is the most informative, sane, and genuinely beneficial gun channel on RUclips. Keep up the great work!
@Charles Yuditsky I find the videos factual and he proves his facts. I like that. Actually leaves us to draw our own conclusions most of the time. Have you ever noticed that even when shooting for the chrono, he's always ready for a follow up shot, probably out of habit.
Paul. In 1976 I was shot in the center chest with a .22 hollow point.... fight was OVER. If you've never taken a bullet the chest.... Here's what happens. You hear the "POP", you hear a ringing in your ears then everything goes into slow motion and I mean SLOW MOTION. You can hear voices but you can't understand what they're saying. I was blessed enough that the bullet went between my ribs in the front, passed through my lung and went between my ribs upon exit. It took 40 minutes for the ambulance to get to me. I made peace with God as I lay on the ground. I knew I was going to die. The bullet went through my left lung, barley missing my heart. My left lung filled up with blood and i couldn't breathe I was clinically dead for 14 hours with a blood pressure of 60 over zero but God saved me. It makes NO difference WHAT you shot with. When you're shot..... You're SHOT. My carry gun is a Ruger SR 22. God Bless you Brother.
Wow!! You're One very lucky fellow! I HAVE Heard of First account incidents..some from Doctors who Said,operating on a .22 hollow point victim was like finding a needle in a haystack!! ..and 90%..the patient did not make it..😢
Some people carry .22lr. for two reasons. 1)They can really shoot good with precision. 2) FBI statistics showed a lot of "unlucky recipients" underestimated this caliber.
The fbi statistics bit is extremely stupid Fbi statistics say alot of things how many people get shot and killed by it has nothing to do with effectiveness Reality is if you have 2 projectiles 1 120ish moving 1100 to 1400 fps and 1 significantly smaller weighing 30ish gr moving the same velocity which one is more powerful? Then take into account that the 9mm is still factually not that powerful compared to most rifle cartridges and have in many cases injured but not killed and just as commonly they are killed later in some cases taking a dozen rounds before running g off into the sunset and passing out from blood lose To be clear the 120ish gr is the 9mm The reality is the 22 lr is a bullet moving at around the speed of sound air rifles can be just as and in some cases more powerful So the "oh muh 22 gets dang ol underestimated plenty of them dang ol people died from it" is just as stupid as people who claim its not a threat Its a projectile moving the speed of sound (give or take) to be honest a rock throw hard enough is lethal hell try a baseball
There's a lot better rounds that have better accuracy. Accuracy means nothing when it won't stop the person from retaliating, nor even stop the person if you give it a week's time. FBI statistics show that only around 4% of deaths by gunshot were to .22 LR (of course popularity plays a big factor in this, but .22 LR is obviously an _extremely_ popular cartridge)
@@MsHojat study’s show handguns are really bad at stopping people. Even the most powerful handguns are rarely going to be a one shot stop. Better to use the 22 for follow ups.
@@MsHojat What world do you live in ? .22lr is easily the most accurate round in pistols within normal pistol range, its also one of the most accurate rifle rounds out to 100 yards.
Thank you Paul for making it clear the .22 LR is definitely lethal. When I was in the 6th grade a classmate was killed by a .22 LR over the Christmas holidays. That got my attention.
I was thinking about the exact same point you just mentioned about a .22lr richocheting and bouncing all around inside the cavity. I am a funeral director and embalmer by profession and you would be surprised at the people that hear that and take it as fact. I have seen several shootings all different rounds including .22 and you are 100% correct as your experiment just proved they do not pinball around lol
Paul, please don't let this go to your head, but you must be one of the most common-sense persons out there. If you ever come to central Florida, I would sure like to meet you. You are just a real person, and may God bless you.
Follow The Grow. I noticed your comment is 6 months old. I live in East Central Florida. Have you been keeping up with what their trying to do here in Florida. There is a big anti-gun movement going on starting in South Florida and They want to get a ban on semi automatic weapons, including handguns. And if the demo rats get their way in the house their going to implement that 7115 bill. you've got to read into that bill very closely because most people think it's just a ban on buying parts for 3D weapons but it is not they are literally trying to get rid of AR-15 lowers and any parts for them. I was talking to the owner of a gun shop and he was telling me if this stuff gets pushed through it's going to get bad, really bad!
I have a .22 LR stuck in my left shoulder blade, it first went through my pectoral muscle, between the ribs, ripped up the top portion of my left lung and fractured and embedded itself into the bone. You can see and feel it to this day. Never doubt the mighty .22
I have actually used a Beretta 21A loaded with CCI Mini-mags in a self-defense shooting vs multiple attackers at 5-15 yds. I carried one when trail running for years. Worked great!
"The .22 is not to be underestimated"....and thus endeth the lesson. While not recommended as a first choice, one disregards the .22 lr. at their own peril. Personally, I don't want to be shot with "Anything"!
I knew a guy who downplayed the .22 to the point of saying, "If I got shot with a .22, I'd be pretty pissed about it when I found out the next day" But when I offered to shoot him with a .22, his tone immediately changes. I think people intentionally underestimate the .22 just to be "cool" or tough.
Even an airsoft bullet is painful. "I think people intentionally underestimate the .22 just to be "cool" or tough." Intentionally underestimate? That makes as much sense as a purposefully mistake. It is a tiny and less than optimal.
Go wife... shot placement 100% 357 sig not 9mm sig, sir. sold mine to a friend. I am 100% 1911 .45acp I carry a Kimber. Sure it is over rated, but .45 hole guaranteed. it is very concealable. carry every day and every where. first thing in the morning I am wearing it in the home... don't leave your cave without your club!
When it comes to ballistic tests, nothing really compares to actual meat and bone. I love that you use both. More channels can learn from your experiments. Great job.
totally agree with the shot placement mindset, that's why the .22lr is a reasonable SD round....especially when you can accurately get 10 rounds on target center mass in less than 5 seconds at a combat distance
Universal Kombat great answer... thank you for your reply, your explanation and reasoning is spot on in my book...45 is my choice as well in a 1911.. my wife has a Browning 1911-380 on her side.
I am not a professional, however I have always believed that the .22 LR round is extremely underrated. A .22 in your pocket is better than the 9 MM. that you left at home! I have a Ruger SR 22 and find it to be an excellent pistol. As always, great job on the video, very informative!
I don't know how many of this man's videos I've watched but 1:55 is the only time I've EVER heard him say "uh". I don't know how he does it, but keep on doing it. This channel is BY FAR the best place to learn about guns. I've learned SO much, and he really is a very good teacher.
Haha! Always looking forward to your work no matter what, Paul! And don't be afraid to be talky either; there's a market for that as people are starved for substance. I know I am.
Watched many Gun Guys on the U Tube. You Sir.....Are One of the Best by Far. Good Common Sense. Always a Good Watch. I use my 22 Lr in pistol and Long Rifle all the time up here in Wisconsin. Kills nuisance Animals dead. I use more Round Nose for skull shots. Work better
My hypothesis goes along the lines of: How accurate are you with a 45 shooting as fast as you can pull the trigger? How accurate are you with a 22 shooting as fast as you can pull the trigger?
I just bought my first handgun ever a few months ago. A Glock 23 gen 3 and I really like it. But my girlfriend has carpal tunnel and such. She just couldn't handle the recoil for more than a few rounds at the range. My dad let me borrow some guns my grandfather had, a la fury 25 piece of crap and a 38 special snub nose. I figured the snub nose would be the way to go but the grip was to small and had worse recoil than the 23. So I we rented a couple of 380s from the range and she really liked the Sig but my wallet didn't :p. Ended up picking up a Smith and Wesson bodyguard with a laser through a trade. One of the worst experiences we had because of that awful trigger. And we really wanted to like it because of the laser. So I traded that for a M&P 15-22 which I love. So then the range let us try a M&P 22 compact. We both loved that little pistol and ended up buying that. It's like a different world and now she's asking me if we can go to the range :D. Honestly, as I don't have much experience with guns the "stopping power" and "penetration" has worried me with her planning on using the 22 as her primary weapon. But I kept telling myself she can get 5 shots off in a tight group in half the time I can do it with the glock. But after seeing how many innocent watermelons you killed I feel like I've got more peace of mind. Thanks for helping me feel safer with her choice. Oh and one last thing. . . #watermelonlivesmatter
Paul I'm a long time viewer and I love what you do with your videos and the knowledge that you bring to the table. I agree that .22, .22lr, and .22 wmr can be very anemic as a self defense round out of a mouse gun. I personally had a good friend who was shot with a 22 wmr out of a snub nose revolver (at close range) and it went in his right pec, hit his scapula and bouned laterally through his lungs and heart, hit a rib (slightly fractured it) before stopping in his spine. He is alive today and that bullet is still in his spine. it may have been a "1 in a million" occurrence but he nearly died twice during surgery. now that being said (lol) I hope people will go with a more powerful cartridge for self defense but I'll never underestimate the mighty .22. Thank you for your videos and your Shatner-esque pauses, because who doesn't love Bill Shatner and Paul Harrell?
You are 100% correct my friend. People underestimate the lethality of the 22lr. It can, and will kill a person even from a pistol. It's not going to itch.😂😂
Until today, I had never seriously considered carrying a .22 handgun. However, your very realistic demonstration has shown quite clearly that the .22 is a round, that when placed well on target, is devastatingly effective.
Now I know what caused the shortage of water melons this summer, lol. Great video Paul it answered my questions on the performance of the CCI Stinger round.
Having just “found” Mr Harrell, his scripting is some of the best comedic, but informative I have seen, but then “he’s what they call a professional, so don’t try it at home” brilliant RUclips channel!
His is easily one of the most-watchable gun channels on all of RUclips. Even if I don't necessarily care for the specific topic he's talking about, I'll still watch.
@@xthexadvantagex Centerfires typically have better capacity than .22s to be honest, but a walther ppk/s 22 is small enough to be a pocket pistol and holds 10 shots, which is not something many pistols can say.
@@Spacebarf I'll take that "sissy wrist" comment all day when it allows me STATISTICALLY PROVEN FASTER AND MORE ACCURATE FOLLOW UPS while you're busy ballistically overcompensating for that insecure fragile ego. CLUE PHONE FOR YOU: sorry, but caliber and penis size DO NOT correlate my friend. Stop being a bully. If you have to shame people to make yourself feel like more of a man, then you are EXACTLY the type of person who gives responsible and intelligent firearms owners a bad name.
Back in 91’ When I was working in an AZ level one trauma center we had a 19 year old come male walk in with his buddies with a gun shot wound (GSW). When we hear GSW it usually over the radio by an inbound bus and we start prepping for the worse. In this case, admitting calls us and tells we have a GSW in the lobby. It was a Friday night around 11 PM. If you ever had to go to the ER because you think your health condition is an emergency and you are gonna die rapidly, 9 out of 10 times the ER staff thinks differently. In reality you will probably go through a couple of feeding times or get the privilege of watching the visual aspect of the earth making a complete revolution on its axis. I hear GSW in the lobby and this numb nut instantly jumps to the front of the line. No waiting for the sunrise for him. I rush a gurney to the lobby and was kinda confused as the kid was alert, orientated to the point of joking with his buddies and wait for it ....intoxicated... I do a quick assessment, see no blood, brain matter, CSF, sucking noises, etc. I thought this was a joke. I asked where he was shot, with what caliber and how. The twatwaffle was initially very adamant that the new .22 pistol “went off by itself” while resting quietly on the table as they shot” the proverbial sh$t. In reality this rumpleforeskin reached over and grabbed the barrel of the pistol to look at it. As he pulled the barrel forward it was kinda like a reverse pullrack (one word) while his buddy finger was on the trigger. It went bang. Now the interesting thing about this nowhere near non lethal GSW is that the .22 long round entered right at the meaty portion of his right thumb circled three times around his forearm in a spiral fashion up his forearm where the bullet stopped about a half inch distal of the antecubital area of the elbow (the bend where they usually draw blood) the entire wound track was in only in the skin layer.It left a raised continuous tunnel that resembled a termite tunnel or A long mole trench. There was virtually no blood and no broken bones, etc. All it took was a quick tiny slice with as scalpel directly over the the bullet, a little squeeze and that little piece of lead popped right out just like a pus filled white head pimple 2 days past it’s prime. All GSW’s have to be reported to the police. This was in a Phoenix suburb that rarely had a gun deaths or injuries. It was a relatively slow night in the ER and even slower in the city. The first police officer came to investigate and he called his a fellow cop and over a few hours I estimate that probably another 20 or so cops came to take a peek at this extremely interesting and one of a kind bullet wound.
@@jeremyblackwater439 Look into the Reagan assassination attempt. It's pretty interesting as well. That bullet "ricocheted" inside as well. So there is some validity to it, despite what was presented in the video here.
Hey Paul I've learned lots from your excellent and scientific videos. As a houndsman,I've taken many raccoons, some way up a tall tree. Some with a handgun,most with a rifle. My conclusions? Never shoot a raccoon with a 22 short. It simply isn't a lethal enough round to be humane or effective. Secondly,the solid 40 grain roundnose with good velocity is by far the most deadly on racoon sized animals and up. Now for squirrel the hollow points are highly effective if you don't mind losing a small amount of meat,due to a bigger hole. Better than having injured squirrels escape. Of course 40 gr solids are fine on squirrels if you can make head shots. When I keep a 22 lr gun around for self defense,it is always loaded with 40 grain solid round nose ammo.
And thank you, Mr. Harrell, for making the video! I thoroughly enjoy watching your work. If I have any questions concerning firearms, ammo or anything related, I come straight to your channel. Thank you, sir!
I literally got everything I needed from this, it was extremely factual and well done and entertaining to watch. Thank you for for all of it and the amazing quality.
Im new to the channel and will say, as others in this forum... great job!! His videos are very informative and dispels a lot of myths. Keep up the good work!!
Thank you Paul... the 22 is lethal my dads friend was shot twice in the belly/stomach with a 22 rifle he died in the ambulance the 22 very seriously should not be underestimated.
I used to work on the e.r and I've seen people killed with 22lr. it does the job. but not my first Choice. I do carry a Taurus pt22 from time to time though.
That's fine, to each his own choice. I carry 9mm premium hollow-points in a PF9. Not much larger than the smallest practical 22 auto pistol you'll find and after you practice with it, you get used to the recoil. I also carry mace as a non-lethal choice.
@@minerran good on you I also carry mace and I agree that a whole lot of people get so hang up on which pistol and caliber and so on, but don't realize there is a very high probability that they will be confronted with some kind of threat/altercation that doesn't justify lethal force and where if they use it could end up in big trouble... not to mention a good pepper spray can have even more "stopping power" than a gun...
Thank you for this demonstration, a lot of experts on youtube keep saying that 22lr is not a good caliber, every time that I see a test of a 22lr and see the damage , I ask myself are these people blind. Thanks once again Mr. Harrell
i was looking for the effectiveness for a .22 hollow point, and ended up finding one of the greatest youtube hosts. thank you. please make more videos.
He and Ian from forgotten weapons are my faves for actual information and not political opinion. Just an interest and knowledge of firearms and their uses
Super video! I recently picked up a Beretta 21 for pocket carry. I've been very impressed by this little pistol and I'm glad to see some strong evidence that it can do some damage. Appreciate your hard work and attempt to test real-world effectiveness.
its about time.....THANK YOU for THE ONE AND ONLY truly comprehensive real tissue test simulations....tip of my hat to you sir, and a hardy infantry salute
Paul...again...been watching "educational" videos on 22lr ammo today mostly having to do with stingers and or hyper velocity rounds...yours again is the most informational of them all! Well done
I had no clue 22LR could be that effective. I may have to reevaluate my perception of that entire caliber now. Wouldn't be my first or even my tenth choice for a self-defense round, but in an application where you need to carry a ton of ammo in a light manner it starts to look much more promising.
Hallo Paul, Thank you. What a intelligent way to transport essential informations in a nice entertaining way. I love your meat target test. It is way better then any pudding test and it tells way more than this chemical stuff. Thank you and keep up the good work. You make the videos and I keep watching it.
This is exactly the video I was looking for. Thank you! Like you said, it's "not the most powerful round in the world", but it's not to be underestimated. A well place round at center mass will definitely stop a bad guy.
".....it is NOT to be underestimated" Balistically speaking, in one form or another, the .22lr's ability to kill almost anything that moves is now a matter of indisputable historical record. I think we need to move the .22lr debate from the question of "LETHALITY" to one of "CONSISTENCY". We need to stop asking "CAN IT?" and focus on "WILL IT?" Only time and technological advances in overall rimfire design can answer that question. In the mean time, it remains an outstanding small/medium game hunting and practice option. A far as self defense, why potentially risk your life when there exists a statistically superior and more consistent option of centerfire. LONG LIVE THE 22LR! (and Paul Harrell's awesomely informative videos!)
I always have people ask me, what I would use for SHTF/survival and I would immediately reply 22lr, they then come back with the statement, that a 22 doesn't have knock down or stopping power and I immediately come back with a few statements, it usually ends with the moral of the story, that no one wants to be shot period.
I carry a 22 as backup to my 9mm. It's in my edc/get out bag. I'm very accurate with it to about 25 yards. Woah to the fool that would challenge me even if all I had was my little 22. It even serves double duty for rabbit/squirrel hunting if I need to eat.
@@TODDFINK1 I usually carry a ruger sr 22 for ccw I just got a green laser installed. I would say a 2 or 3 cci 40 grain bullets in the attackers face he's done.
I read a police report where a dirtbag ambushed a cop with a .22 single action revolver, and killed him instantly. And there was an article in SWAT magazine a few years ago about a bad guy in a furious gunfight who was shot 17 times with 40 cal and .556, fought the cops as they handcuffed him, but bled out at the hospital. Shot placement is everything, and that's something a lot of "internet gun experts" don't want to admit to because they think it's a challenge to the thousands of dollars worth of training they took or the latest-and-greatest "space gun" they just bought. No, it isn't. It's about putting that lead suppository to where it needs to be to cure the situation.
I got my parents into guns over the past few years (slowly but surely, originally scaring my mom to death when I came home with my first gun, a $100 sks) and now my mom is in her way to Arizona to move there with a pistol in the trunk for protection at her new house since my dad is going to be a few months behind to finish things up at home, and he's about to buy a 22 for fun at the range and to keep in the bed stand. i told my mom I'm just lending her the pistol but I'll probably let her keep it. this makes me feel better about my dad just keeping a 22 by the bed. he also built an ar so there's that too.
Thanks for the share, all your vids are so helpful. No small amount of work, too, I am sure. To see the demonstrations will subdue deniers, and just seeing the full situation helps us calibrate to what reality is. Starting out, I will probably go .22 for a good long while.
As always, good, honest, common sense testing and great results! Paul, you should try this with CCI's new 40-grain Mini-Mag segmented hollow point! Cool fact about this little round- the velocity and point of impact is exactly the same as their solid 40-grain Mini-Mag, so one could stagger the rounds in the magazine (or cylinder) if used for self defense.
Another nice vid. "High-tech fleece bullet stop" cracked me up. I've never been a fan of gel testing, so I appreciate a shooter using realistic material for comparative values. As smart as the FBI is one would think they'd develop a suitable product that contained layered bone, muscle, and soft tissue equivalents. Until they do, guys gotta use pork and melons. Again, nice work.
Paul, your videos and your straight talk are refreshing when compared to all the nutters, fake experts, pretend hot shots, acting bosses, bad advisers and half cocked people on RUclips. Thanks.
This video was pivotal in my purchase of a 22 for CC. Mine is a "full size" pistol, which does imprint from time to time. But it is accurate, easy to fire, cheap to practice with (.04 per round), and fun to shoot. It ain't the size so much as how you use it ;). I am getting closer and closer to perfect center the more I practice. I just need to add in some 'stress' firing now, and I am 100% confident that my .22LR will do pretty much any job that need be done..as long as I choose the correct place to fire at.
Truth many cold case killing supposed by professionals find 22 brass left behind so it is a deadly round but not a powerhouse great job Paul liked your video thanks
Years ago, I read a magazine article, (you, younger folks may not realize that before the internet gun mags and tabloids were we had; we couldn't just say "I read it on the internet and have everybody know it was true), written by Massad Ayoob that recounted the story of a sixty-something year-old woman caught alone by several terrorists on her farm during the Mau Mau uprising. They had a collection of pistols and rifles and she had a Colt Woodsman. She knew the layout of her farm buildings and had good common sense. They didn't. They split up and she ambushed each one of them and put a round in their head as they came around one corner or another. Massad's question was how much deader would any one of them been if she had had a .44 Magnum? (Remember, both the magazine article and the original story were long before any such thing as .454 Casull, .500 S&W, etc)
I would say that nobody (with half a brain) would argue the killing ability of a 22lr. But as for stopping an attack with shock effect? if my life is on the line I want a minimum of 380. 9mm or 357 even better. but not many people have faced that actual situation. I have once. for about 15 seconds. My pocket 380 saved me and my wife form an attack by two huge dogs. But in retrospect I wish I had had my 9mm or 45. But...the 380 worked wonders. I am glad, however, that I was not carrying my 22 wmr that day.
I love how Paul doesn't instantly discard options like the .22. He actually does the testing, and methodically goes through the actual results. This is the most informative, sane, and genuinely beneficial gun channel on RUclips. Keep up the great work!
Headshot :)
I concur
Agreed
@@willnotcomply1328 ditto
@Charles Yuditsky I find the videos factual and he proves his facts. I like that. Actually leaves us to draw our own conclusions most of the time. Have you ever noticed that even when shooting for the chrono, he's always ready for a follow up shot, probably out of habit.
Paul is clearly a shill for the pork chop, pork ribs, watermelon, and fleece industry.
Great demonstration Paul!
The cashier at Paul's grocery store knows him as well as the guy at his gun shop does.
Mike P 😂🤣😂
@@johneqwest He owns his own grocery store and gets tax kickbacks.
I just realized I'm should be wearing more layers of fleece!
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Paul. In 1976 I was shot in the center chest with a .22 hollow point.... fight was OVER. If you've never taken a bullet the chest.... Here's what happens. You hear the "POP", you hear a ringing in your ears then everything goes into slow motion and I mean SLOW MOTION. You can hear voices but you can't understand what they're saying.
I was blessed enough that the bullet went between my ribs in the front, passed through my lung and went between my ribs upon exit. It took 40 minutes for the ambulance to get to me. I made peace with God as I lay on the ground. I knew I was going to die. The bullet went through my left lung, barley missing my heart. My left lung filled up with blood and i couldn't breathe
I was clinically dead for 14 hours with a blood pressure of 60 over zero but God saved me. It makes NO difference WHAT you shot with. When you're shot..... You're SHOT. My carry gun is a Ruger SR 22.
God Bless you Brother.
I'm glad God saved you brother man.
Glad u made it friend.
Wow!!
You're One very lucky fellow!
I HAVE Heard of First account incidents..some from Doctors who Said,operating on a .22 hollow point victim was like finding a needle in a haystack!!
..and 90%..the patient did not make it..😢
Wow!! Glad you're alive!
Wow, an actual comprehensive test. None of this ballistics gel crap.
Thank you Paul.
Ballistics gel provides a consistent and repeatable standard for comparison. Nothing more, nothing less. Both types of tests yield useful information.
LineRat 86 Are you denying the accuracy of the test?
LineRat 86 Lol...
I am sure your moral superiority keeps you nice and warm and night while the rest of us know that dangerous criminals walk freely across the border.
Nope.
Some people carry .22lr. for two reasons. 1)They can really shoot good with precision. 2) FBI statistics showed a lot of "unlucky recipients" underestimated this caliber.
The fbi statistics bit is extremely stupid
Fbi statistics say alot of things how many people get shot and killed by it has nothing to do with effectiveness
Reality is if you have 2 projectiles 1 120ish moving 1100 to 1400 fps and 1 significantly smaller weighing 30ish gr moving the same velocity which one is more powerful?
Then take into account that the 9mm is still factually not that powerful compared to most rifle cartridges and have in many cases injured but not killed and just as commonly they are killed later in some cases taking a dozen rounds before running g off into the sunset and passing out from blood lose
To be clear the 120ish gr is the 9mm
The reality is the 22 lr is a bullet moving at around the speed of sound air rifles can be just as and in some cases more powerful
So the "oh muh 22 gets dang ol underestimated plenty of them dang ol people died from it" is just as stupid as people who claim its not a threat
Its a projectile moving the speed of sound (give or take) to be honest a rock throw hard enough is lethal hell try a baseball
There's a lot better rounds that have better accuracy. Accuracy means nothing when it won't stop the person from retaliating, nor even stop the person if you give it a week's time.
FBI statistics show that only around 4% of deaths by gunshot were to .22 LR (of course popularity plays a big factor in this, but .22 LR is obviously an _extremely_ popular cartridge)
@@MsHojat Not many people like getting shot by a .22 and will break off the engagement.
@@MsHojat study’s show handguns are really bad at stopping people. Even the most powerful handguns are rarely going to be a one shot stop. Better to use the 22 for follow ups.
@@MsHojat What world do you live in ? .22lr is easily the most accurate round in pistols within normal pistol range, its also one of the most accurate rifle rounds out to 100 yards.
Thank you Paul for making it clear the .22 LR is definitely lethal. When I was in the 6th grade a classmate was killed by a .22 LR over the Christmas holidays. That got my attention.
I was thinking about the exact same point you just mentioned about a .22lr richocheting and bouncing all around inside the cavity. I am a funeral director and embalmer by profession and you would be surprised at the people that hear that and take it as fact. I have seen several shootings all different rounds including .22 and you are 100% correct as your experiment just proved they do not pinball around lol
Paul, please don't let this go to your head, but you must be one of the most common-sense persons out there. If you ever come to central Florida, I would sure like to meet you. You are just a real person, and may God bless you.
I sure hope he has kids. Western civilization is in a death-spiral.
Stephen Russell I'm in central florida
Follow The Grow. I noticed your comment is 6 months old. I live in East Central Florida. Have you been keeping up with what their trying to do here in Florida. There is a big anti-gun movement going on starting in South Florida and They want to get a ban on semi automatic weapons, including handguns. And if the demo rats get their way in the house their going to implement that 7115 bill. you've got to read into that bill very closely because most people think it's just a ban on buying parts for 3D weapons but it is not they are literally trying to get rid of AR-15 lowers and any parts for them. I was talking to the owner of a gun shop and he was telling me if this stuff gets pushed through it's going to get bad, really bad!
@deucedeuce22oz i still owe the government several thousand dollars for not being able to afford health insurance.
his arse is for shittin not for kissin
As my summer camp riflery instructor, Leon, said 65 years ago: “A .22 can kill you very dead.”
Yep, that's worse than just dead.
jockellis see it can only kill you very dead....my 9mm can kill very very super dead.
@@thatminimalistguy1755 And the .40 will crush your body and make your soul drain out
A 12 gauge slug will kill your ghost
@@absolute757 literal lol
I have a .22 LR stuck in my left shoulder blade, it first went through my pectoral muscle, between the ribs, ripped up the top portion of my left lung and fractured and embedded itself into the bone. You can see and feel it to this day. Never doubt the mighty .22
DAMN! Was this from a robbery or fight?
I have actually used a Beretta 21A loaded with CCI Mini-mags in a self-defense shooting vs multiple attackers at 5-15 yds. I carried one when trail running for years. Worked great!
Well shit I can only imagine what led to that altercation. Glad you survived to tell the tale!
Tell us the story?
"The .22 is not to be underestimated"....and thus endeth the lesson. While not recommended as a first choice, one disregards the .22 lr. at their own peril. Personally, I don't want to be shot with "Anything"!
I knew a guy who downplayed the .22 to the point of saying, "If I got shot with a .22, I'd be pretty pissed about it when I found out the next day"
But when I offered to shoot him with a .22, his tone immediately changes.
I think people intentionally underestimate the .22 just to be "cool" or tough.
Even an airsoft bullet is painful.
"I think people intentionally underestimate the .22 just to be "cool" or tough." Intentionally underestimate? That makes as much sense as a purposefully mistake. It is a tiny and less than optimal.
JKay11235 THANK YOU
Red Phoenix if you actually hit the target , you could miss dummy. It’s not guaranteed your target is going to stand right in front of you . 😂
Go wife... shot placement 100% 357 sig not 9mm sig, sir.
sold mine to a friend. I am 100% 1911 .45acp I carry a Kimber. Sure it is over rated, but .45 hole guaranteed. it is very concealable. carry every day and every where. first thing in the morning I am wearing it in the home... don't leave your cave without your club!
Because it's so puny. LOL!!!!
When it comes to ballistic tests, nothing really compares to actual meat and bone. I love that you use both. More channels can learn from your experiments. Great job.
Thanks. Ballistic gel has it's place, but two liter bottles of soda are more fun and like you said, nothing compares to the real thing.
Paul Harrell is a living legend. Much respect!
.22 LR is not to be underestimated. But at the end of the day, it's shot placement that really counts.
Right.
I don't think so. Lol....
totally agree with the shot placement mindset, that's why the .22lr is a reasonable SD round....especially when you can accurately get 10 rounds on target center mass in less than 5 seconds at a combat distance
Hey Kombat, you are VERY knowledgeable, please don't think I don't respect your ideals, but if I may ask, what do you use for home defense?
Universal Kombat great answer... thank you for your reply, your explanation and reasoning is spot on in my book...45 is my choice as well in a 1911.. my wife has a Browning 1911-380 on her side.
Can't tell you how much I appreciate your realistic targets and, even more, your serious discussion of the 22LR as a defense option.
Ill.never get tired of this channel.
It's strange, but Mr. Harrell is the only gun expert I've watched/heard that actually makes me want to look into trying out guns. Great video!
I am not a professional, however I have always believed that the .22 LR round is extremely underrated. A .22 in your pocket is better than the 9 MM. that you left at home! I have a Ruger SR 22 and find it to be an excellent pistol. As always, great job on the video, very informative!
Why would you leave a gun at home just because it wasn't .22 caliber!
I think you missed the point of the comment.@@phillhuddleston9445
I don't know how many of this man's videos I've watched but 1:55 is the only time I've EVER heard him say "uh". I don't know how he does it, but keep on doing it. This channel is BY FAR the best place to learn about guns. I've learned SO much, and he really is a very good teacher.
Excellent channel that keeps getting better and better. No BS, no flash and real world stuff. Subscribed.
Thanks. I try to keep flash to a minimum, but warning: there will be bling in next weeks video.
Haha! Always looking forward to your work no matter what, Paul! And don't be afraid to be talky either; there's a market for that as people are starved for substance. I know I am.
People forget .22 is an actual bullet.
Watched many Gun Guys on the U Tube. You Sir.....Are One of the Best by Far. Good Common Sense. Always a Good Watch. I use my 22 Lr in pistol and Long Rifle all the time up here in Wisconsin. Kills nuisance Animals dead. I use more Round Nose for skull shots. Work better
Cool video! Just caught it! Excellent test and comparison. The .22lr: still hitting hard and doing the job since 1887!!!
Keep them coming Paul, you are one of the best channels out there.
The targets keep getting more and more delicious. Keep it up.
great video. I wish others could be so direct, thorough and informative as Paul
My hypothesis goes along the lines of: How accurate are you with a 45 shooting as fast as you can pull the trigger? How accurate are you with a 22 shooting as fast as you can pull the trigger?
Outstanding way of making the point.
yep
lr 22 very accurate and very fast
Follow-ups for the win.
And how will you're ears be without protection after that......
I just bought my first handgun ever a few months ago. A Glock 23 gen 3 and I really like it. But my girlfriend has carpal tunnel and such. She just couldn't handle the recoil for more than a few rounds at the range. My dad let me borrow some guns my grandfather had, a la fury 25 piece of crap and a 38 special snub nose. I figured the snub nose would be the way to go but the grip was to small and had worse recoil than the 23. So I we rented a couple of 380s from the range and she really liked the Sig but my wallet didn't :p. Ended up picking up a Smith and Wesson bodyguard with a laser through a trade. One of the worst experiences we had because of that awful trigger. And we really wanted to like it because of the laser. So I traded that for a M&P 15-22 which I love. So then the range let us try a M&P 22 compact. We both loved that little pistol and ended up buying that. It's like a different world and now she's asking me if we can go to the range :D. Honestly, as I don't have much experience with guns the "stopping power" and "penetration" has worried me with her planning on using the 22 as her primary weapon. But I kept telling myself she can get 5 shots off in a tight group in half the time I can do it with the glock. But after seeing how many innocent watermelons you killed I feel like I've got more peace of mind. Thanks for helping me feel safer with her choice. Oh and one last thing. . . #watermelonlivesmatter
Paul I'm a long time viewer and I love what you do with your videos and the knowledge that you bring to the table. I agree that .22, .22lr, and .22 wmr can be very anemic as a self defense round out of a mouse gun. I personally had a good friend who was shot with a 22 wmr out of a snub nose revolver (at close range) and it went in his right pec, hit his scapula and bouned laterally through his lungs and heart, hit a rib (slightly fractured it) before stopping in his spine. He is alive today and that bullet is still in his spine. it may have been a "1 in a million" occurrence but he nearly died twice during surgery. now that being said (lol) I hope people will go with a more powerful cartridge for self defense but I'll never underestimate the mighty .22. Thank you for your videos and your Shatner-esque pauses, because who doesn't love Bill Shatner and Paul Harrell?
You are 100% correct my friend. People underestimate the lethality of the 22lr. It can, and will kill a person even from a pistol. It's not going to itch.😂😂
I just purchased a Ruger Mark IV and I absolutely love it, it’s much quieter than my 9mm and extremely accurate!
When I need or want factual information on guns and ammo Paul is the best. I really respect this gentleman and the information he provides. Thanks!
As usual, good info. Never underestimate the .22 LR. Thumb up.
Until today, I had never seriously considered carrying a .22 handgun. However, your very realistic demonstration has shown quite clearly that the .22 is a round, that when placed well on target, is devastatingly effective.
Remember. Flesh is flexible and springs back.
Watermelons DO NOT.
HotRod Ray remember if it’s not in the BB gun section and you need a background check then it can kill.
HotRod Ray he shot it through a rack of ribs silly goose
and a .380, 9mm, .38. .40, .357 are all far more effective
@@tommyw.9424what about 45acp lol?
No sound coming from video
Hits volume up
"PENETRATION" at 1 am in an apartment complex at full volume...
Now I know what caused the shortage of water melons this summer, lol. Great video Paul it answered my questions on the performance of the CCI Stinger round.
Having just “found” Mr Harrell, his scripting is some of the best comedic, but informative I have seen, but then “he’s what they call a professional, so don’t try it at home” brilliant RUclips channel!
His is easily one of the most-watchable gun channels on all of RUclips. Even if I don't necessarily care for the specific topic he's talking about, I'll still watch.
Do not underestimate low recoil. 100% beneficial.
Some of those 22 autos are as flippy as a 9... And noisy too.
Practice makes improvement.
@@hotrodray6802 lmao what??! Sissy wrists over here
Not to mention high capacity magazines and easy to carry so many.
@@xthexadvantagex Centerfires typically have better capacity than .22s to be honest, but a walther ppk/s 22 is small enough to be a pocket pistol and holds 10 shots, which is not something many pistols can say.
@@Spacebarf I'll take that "sissy wrist" comment all day when it allows me STATISTICALLY PROVEN FASTER AND MORE ACCURATE FOLLOW UPS while you're busy ballistically overcompensating for that insecure fragile ego. CLUE PHONE FOR YOU: sorry, but caliber and penis size DO NOT correlate my friend. Stop being a bully. If you have to shame people to make yourself feel like more of a man, then you are EXACTLY the type of person who gives responsible and intelligent firearms owners a bad name.
Back in 91’ When I was working in an AZ level one trauma center we had a 19 year old come male walk in with his buddies with a gun shot wound (GSW). When we hear GSW it usually over the radio by an inbound bus and we start prepping for the worse. In this case, admitting calls us and tells we have a GSW in the lobby. It was a Friday night around 11 PM.
If you ever had to go to the ER because you think your health condition is an emergency and you are gonna die rapidly, 9 out of 10 times the ER staff thinks differently. In reality you will probably go through a couple of feeding times or get the privilege of watching the visual aspect of the earth making a complete revolution on its axis.
I hear GSW in the lobby and this numb nut instantly jumps to the front of the line. No waiting for the sunrise for him. I rush a gurney to the lobby and was kinda confused as the kid was alert, orientated to the point of joking with his buddies and wait for it ....intoxicated...
I do a quick assessment, see no blood, brain matter, CSF, sucking noises, etc. I thought this was a joke. I asked where he was shot, with what caliber and how.
The twatwaffle was initially very adamant that the new .22 pistol “went off by itself” while resting quietly on the table as they shot” the proverbial sh$t.
In reality this rumpleforeskin reached over and grabbed the barrel of the pistol to look at it. As he pulled the barrel forward it was kinda like a reverse pullrack (one word) while his buddy finger was on the trigger. It went bang.
Now the interesting thing about this nowhere near non lethal GSW is that the .22 long round entered right at the meaty portion of his right thumb circled three times around his forearm in a spiral fashion up his forearm where the bullet stopped about a half inch distal of the antecubital area of the elbow (the bend where they usually draw blood) the entire wound track was in only in the skin layer.It left a raised continuous tunnel that resembled a termite tunnel or A long mole trench. There was virtually no blood and no broken bones, etc. All it took was a quick tiny slice with as scalpel directly over the the bullet, a little squeeze and that little piece of lead popped right out just like a pus filled white head pimple 2 days past it’s prime.
All GSW’s have to be reported to the police. This was in a Phoenix suburb that rarely had a gun deaths or injuries. It was a relatively slow night in the ER and even slower in the city.
The first police officer came to investigate and he called his a fellow cop and over a few hours I estimate that probably another 20 or so cops came to take a peek at this extremely interesting and one of a kind bullet wound.
Bet that will hurt like an SOB for awhile. If it had hit his head there would have been a lot of blood but no brains!
Interesting read
@@jeremyblackwater439 Look into the Reagan assassination attempt. It's pretty interesting as well. That bullet "ricocheted" inside as well. So there is some validity to it, despite what was presented in the video here.
The .22 bullet entered his hand and traveled up his arm. The police wanted to see the wound. The point is?
Hey Paul I've learned lots from your excellent and scientific videos. As a houndsman,I've taken many raccoons, some way up a tall tree. Some with a handgun,most with a rifle. My conclusions? Never shoot a raccoon with a 22 short. It simply isn't a lethal enough round to be humane or effective. Secondly,the solid 40 grain roundnose with good velocity is by far the most deadly on racoon sized animals and up. Now for squirrel the hollow points are highly effective if you don't mind losing a small amount of meat,due to a bigger hole. Better than having injured squirrels escape. Of course 40 gr solids are fine on squirrels if you can make head shots. When I keep a 22 lr gun around for self defense,it is always loaded with 40 grain solid round nose ammo.
22 is underrated. Nice video!
And thank you, Mr. Harrell, for making the video! I thoroughly enjoy watching your work. If I have any questions concerning firearms, ammo or anything related, I come straight to your channel. Thank you, sir!
What people think is ricocheting is merely the bullet changing course while tumbling and the .22 isn't the only round to do that occasionally.
I literally got everything I needed from this, it was extremely factual and well done and entertaining to watch. Thank you for for all of it and the amazing quality.
I really love watching your videos, Paul. Top-notch presentation. Thanks for taking the time and effort to put them together for us.
Im new to the channel and will say, as others in this forum... great job!! His videos are very informative and dispels a lot of myths. Keep up the good work!!
Once again very informative thanks for your wisdom Paul.GOD bless
Thank you Paul... the 22 is lethal my dads friend was shot twice in the belly/stomach with a 22 rifle he died in the ambulance the 22 very seriously should not be underestimated.
Paul, your knowledge and experience is always appreciated.
You have some of the best informative videos. I appreciate you focusing on the topic.
I used to work on the e.r and I've seen people killed with 22lr. it does the job. but not my first Choice. I do carry a Taurus pt22 from time to time though.
I’ve watched too many ID shows to know that 22LR is lethal!
That's fine, to each his own choice. I carry 9mm premium hollow-points in a PF9. Not much larger than the smallest practical 22 auto pistol you'll find and after you practice with it, you get used to the recoil. I also carry mace as a non-lethal choice.
@@minerran good on you I also carry mace and I agree that a whole lot of people get so hang up on which pistol and caliber and so on, but don't realize there is a very high probability that they will be confronted with some kind of threat/altercation that doesn't justify lethal force and where if they use it could end up in big trouble... not to mention a good pepper spray can have even more "stopping power" than a gun...
Thanks Paul for sharing another practical demo on cartridge effectiveness. Too many folks take 22LR for granted.
Excellent test ! I have a Ruger .22 LCR loaded with CCI Stingers, I would not want to be shot by it !
As always Paul, your videos are well done, and backed up with resesrch.
"So, as always", I enjoyed another one of your video's. I'm not a trained professional but learned some things just the same.
Thank you for this demonstration, a lot of experts on youtube keep saying that 22lr is not a good caliber, every time that I see a test of a 22lr and see the damage , I ask myself are these people blind.
Thanks once again Mr. Harrell
Love your work Paul. What you say is backed by physics and logic. Your delivery is also superbly clinical.
i was looking for the effectiveness for a .22 hollow point, and ended up finding one of the greatest youtube hosts. thank you. please make more videos.
He and Ian from forgotten weapons are my faves for actual information and not political opinion. Just an interest and knowledge of firearms and their uses
Still beats a stick and I for sure don't want to be on the receiving end.
I wouldnt wanna be hit with a stick either lol
@@davidhicks2178 what if it was a pixie stick?
@@scottyj6226 I might could handle that lol
Any gun is better than no gun.
1 exception: a stick is better for scaring away aggressive dogs (by brandishing it)
Super video! I recently picked up a Beretta 21 for pocket carry. I've been very impressed by this little pistol and I'm glad to see some strong evidence that it can do some damage. Appreciate your hard work and attempt to test real-world effectiveness.
its about time.....THANK YOU for THE ONE AND ONLY truly comprehensive real tissue test simulations....tip of my hat to you sir, and a hardy infantry salute
Paul...again...been watching "educational" videos on 22lr ammo today mostly having to do with stingers and or hyper velocity rounds...yours again is the most informational of them all! Well done
I had no clue 22LR could be that effective. I may have to reevaluate my perception of that entire caliber now. Wouldn't be my first or even my tenth choice for a self-defense round, but in an application where you need to carry a ton of ammo in a light manner it starts to look much more promising.
paul, like your other videos, lots of good info that i did't think i wanted to know.
plus it's still relevant info 4 years down the road.
I'm glad to cleared up the ricochet around myth. I've heard that forever. Always educational. Thanks Paul. Best channel around !
He has it wrong. The ricochet myth only applies to the skull, not the body.
Hallo Paul, Thank you. What a intelligent way to transport essential informations in a nice entertaining way.
I love your meat target test. It is way better then any pudding test and it tells way more than this chemical stuff.
Thank you and keep up the good work.
You make the videos and I keep watching it.
Wow, June in those mountains is lush and beautiful.
Oregon is beautiful, I love living here , lots of weed and lots of places to go shooting
This is exactly the video I was looking for. Thank you! Like you said, it's "not the most powerful round in the world", but it's not to be underestimated. A well place round at center mass will definitely stop a bad guy.
Always appreciate your videos. You are one of the, if not the most professional shooting channel on RUclips
Another great analysis! You're the best Paul.
".....it is NOT to be underestimated" Balistically speaking, in one form or another, the .22lr's ability to kill almost anything that moves is now a matter of indisputable historical record. I think we need to move the .22lr debate from the question of "LETHALITY" to one of "CONSISTENCY". We need to stop asking "CAN IT?" and focus on "WILL IT?" Only time and technological advances in overall rimfire design can answer that question. In the mean time, it remains an outstanding small/medium game hunting and practice option. A far as self defense, why potentially risk your life when there exists a statistically superior and more consistent option of centerfire. LONG LIVE THE 22LR! (and Paul Harrell's awesomely informative videos!)
I agree Paul is the man very informative, professional, one the best if not the best expert gun demonstrator on RUclips hands up 5 Stars *******
Thanks Paul, another very informative video - as always! 👍
I’m glad you brought up the bouncing around in the ribs. I’ve heard that said so many times. I’ve always been a fan of .22
I always have people ask me, what I would use for SHTF/survival and I would immediately reply 22lr, they then come back with the statement, that a 22 doesn't have knock down or stopping power and I immediately come back with a few statements, it usually ends with the moral of the story, that no one wants to be shot period.
I carry a 22 as backup to my 9mm. It's in my edc/get out bag. I'm very accurate with it to about 25 yards.
Woah to the fool that would challenge me even if all I had was my little 22.
It even serves double duty for rabbit/squirrel hunting if I need to eat.
@@TODDFINK1 I usually carry a ruger sr 22 for ccw I just got a green laser installed. I would say a 2 or 3 cci 40 grain bullets in the attackers face he's done.
I read a police report where a dirtbag ambushed a cop with a .22 single action revolver, and killed him instantly. And there was an article in SWAT magazine a few years ago about a bad guy in a furious gunfight who was shot 17 times with 40 cal and .556, fought the cops as they handcuffed him, but bled out at the hospital. Shot placement is everything, and that's something a lot of "internet gun experts" don't want to admit to because they think it's a challenge to the thousands of dollars worth of training they took or the latest-and-greatest "space gun" they just bought. No, it isn't. It's about putting that lead suppository to where it needs to be to cure the situation.
Cure the situation. LMFAO
Why are we so sure that he was a dirtbag? The cop could have just as easily been a piece of shit.
Josiah Silas Michael "ambushed cop" "killed him instantly."
^^ ergo, dirtbag.
Ha7jo122710 what did 12 ever do to you?
Ha7jo122710 so then I assume 12 wasn't a typo and means something?
Thank you for another excellent, informative and fun video
Great video Paul! Thanks for posting.
I got my parents into guns over the past few years (slowly but surely, originally scaring my mom to death when I came home with my first gun, a $100 sks) and now my mom is in her way to Arizona to move there with a pistol in the trunk for protection at her new house since my dad is going to be a few months behind to finish things up at home, and he's about to buy a 22 for fun at the range and to keep in the bed stand. i told my mom I'm just lending her the pistol but I'll probably let her keep it. this makes me feel better about my dad just keeping a 22 by the bed. he also built an ar so there's that too.
Love the presentation . I sometimes carry a 22. Concealed simply because it's lighter then my 45 .
Thanks for the share, all your vids are so helpful. No small amount of work, too, I am sure.
To see the demonstrations will subdue deniers, and just seeing the full situation helps us calibrate to what reality is.
Starting out, I will probably go .22 for a good long while.
God Bless you Paul on this Independence Day !
As always, good, honest, common sense testing and great results! Paul, you should try this with CCI's new 40-grain Mini-Mag segmented hollow point! Cool fact about this little round- the velocity and point of impact is exactly the same as their solid 40-grain Mini-Mag, so one could stagger the rounds in the magazine (or cylinder) if used for self defense.
Another nice vid. "High-tech fleece bullet stop" cracked me up. I've never been a fan of gel testing, so I appreciate a shooter using realistic material for comparative values. As smart as the FBI is one would think they'd develop a suitable product that contained layered bone, muscle, and soft tissue equivalents. Until they do, guys gotta use pork and melons. Again, nice work.
Thanks. We have another vid coming out tonight where I shoot the "meat target" with a .22 rifle.
Calibrated gel is CONSISTENT.
@@hotrodray6802 the meat target is real
Love watching these old videos
Paul, your videos and your straight talk are refreshing when compared to all the nutters, fake experts, pretend hot shots, acting bosses, bad advisers and half cocked people on RUclips. Thanks.
This video was pivotal in my purchase of a 22 for CC.
Mine is a "full size" pistol, which does imprint from time to time. But it is accurate, easy to fire, cheap to practice with (.04 per round), and fun to shoot.
It ain't the size so much as how you use it ;). I am getting closer and closer to perfect center the more I practice. I just need to add in some 'stress' firing now, and I am 100% confident that my .22LR will do pretty much any job that need be done..as long as I choose the correct place to fire at.
A video for everybody since this is the one cartridge that we pretty much all can afford to shoot
9mm and 12 gauge are quite cheap as well and both better choices for self defense.
@@tommyw.9424 True, but you can pick up 550 rounds of 22lr for $20. Hard to beat that.
@@tommyw.9424 Lol that comment didn't age well I can't even find 9 anywhere near me and online is extremely overpriced
@@Pricysalamander - I can't find 9 or 22lr anywhere near me. And 22lr is also pretty overpriced online right now. Still affordable, but damn.
Brilliant as usual, Paul! Thxsssss! ))
My favorite videos from Paul are ones with Paul shooting at pork ribs and meat!
Just awesome!
Thanks for making the 22 hollow point video.
Truth many cold case killing supposed by professionals find 22 brass left behind so it is a deadly round but not a powerhouse great job Paul liked your video thanks
Not very professional if they leave brass behind.
Awesome video. Love all your video's. Thank you.
Great video! Very informative!👍 I have been arguing the case that a .22 has been grossly underrated
Years ago, I read a magazine article, (you, younger folks may not realize that before the internet gun mags and tabloids were we had; we couldn't just say "I read it on the internet and have everybody know it was true), written by Massad Ayoob that recounted the story of a sixty-something year-old woman caught alone by several terrorists on her farm during the Mau Mau uprising.
They had a collection of pistols and rifles and she had a Colt Woodsman. She knew the layout of her farm buildings and had good common sense. They didn't. They split up and she ambushed each one of them and put a round in their head as they came around one corner or another.
Massad's question was how much deader would any one of them been if she had had a .44 Magnum? (Remember, both the magazine article and the original story were long before any such thing as .454 Casull, .500 S&W, etc)
Certainly a valid point, but I would rather be using more than the bare minimum with my life on the line.
I would say that nobody (with half a brain) would argue the killing ability of a 22lr. But as for stopping an attack with shock effect? if my life is on the line I want a minimum of 380. 9mm or 357 even better. but not many people have faced that actual situation. I have once. for about 15 seconds. My pocket 380 saved me and my wife form an attack by two huge dogs. But in retrospect I wish I had had my 9mm or 45. But...the 380 worked wonders. I am glad, however, that I was not carrying my 22 wmr that day.
Obviously you have to use the Remington .22 lr pinball rounds.
Thank you for a great explanation about the urban legend of .22 bouncing around a cavity.
Very informational, love what you do. keep it up