I gave a Dolby Atmos a go on tidal, never again not in the near future anyway! I think they got a lot of catching up before they get anywhere near the beautiful imaging of 2 channel stereo.
I think the main problem is a lot of the music in Atmos right now was mastered in Stereo and is just being remixed to Atmos for the gimmick factor. Music that's mastered in Atmos by engineers that know how to utilize it is breathtaking, but the catalog for it isn't very big yet.
Thanks for covering so much of the latest and greatest topics, products and tech ect. I agree some Dolby Atmos sounds better than others regardless of audio setup last thing you should start a Dolby Atmos music discussion/recommendation/play list
I'm very interested, also a Marantz SR6015, but no Atmos speakers yet. Dolby Atmos is object orientated, so of course they need new mixes completely from the ground up. I'm afraid what Apple is doing, giving it a "sort of" surround Dolbyish Atmosish flavor so people say, Yes it works and they can say/advertise, we have Atmos and sell Apple TV 4k's and Apple Music. But exactly what you determined, it all sounds far way and definition and positioning is gone.
I would say that the problem is apple tv, and what it is made of, but when it comes to theater sound or sound 9.1 channels, atmos presents problems with cut sound in the background, due to direct streaming from apple's servers, you recognize yourself better and better soundtrack on 4k blueray because sound is embedded and is distributed and not compressed like m3
I mean, if you run into anything that’s labeled as Hi-Res Lossless on Apple Music, that already means it should be 24 bit/192 kHz ALAC audio. Here’s a playlist I found that claims they’re all Hi-Res: music.apple.com/us/playlist/hi-res-lossless-24-bit-192khz/pl.u-MDAWvpjt38370N
Does your AVR correctly recover 16/24 bit and 44/48 kHz output from the Apple TV with Apple Music? My Anthem reports 16 bit 48 kHz no matter the source track. I’m wondering if it’s an ATV limitation or because I’m passing audio back via eARC on my LG CX.
@@ealanosborne yea that’s what I’m wondering. So if you have your Apple TV connect straight into the Marantz you can get 24 vs 16 but and 44 vs 48 kHz show up correctly according to the receiver?
@@SnowBob302 Yeah, as far as I know. It may be a limitation of the LG, since I know for sure your receiver can handle Hi-Res audio no problem. But I’m not in a position to be able to test that out ASAP… 😬
Music is typically distributed at 44.1kHz, so if you're distributing on CD or for online music streaming services, 44.1 is where it's at. 48kHz is typically used for audio recorded for video, so if you're using something that will be synchronized with video it's gonna be at 48kHz.
I have a 5.1 Dolby digital home theatre and a fire tv stick which doesn't have Apple Music app so How can i enjoy atmos songs in my 5.1 system otherthan apple tv 4k
Hey Ealan im having a dolby digital 5.1 surround sound home theatre setup in my home. Does apple tv convert the dolby atmos format to 5.1 format in case of apple music ?
Nice work Ealan, totally agree with your thoughts. There are are a few tracks you come across that make you go "shit yes this is the future!" next track makes you go "this is shit..." And yeah the Hip Hop playlist its soo terrible, and I had thought maybe my system isn't good enough to hear these tracks as they were intended? But that confirms its not just me. I kinda think its one if those things that can take a great album to another level if done really well, and I would just keep it as an occasional experience not necessarily on everything just for the hell of it. It really has the potential to put people off some albums altogether, some sound soo bad its distractingly hard to listen to let alone enjoy.
Is Apple TV 4K the only way to play Atmos with an AVR? Is there a way to do it with an iPad using the lightning to USB adapter? There’s some discussion on Computer Audiophile, but it’s not clear how to do it. I have a 9.2 setup, using a high end Denon AVR. Do I need to use the digital inputs on the AVR, or is the multichannel information preserved on the output of an external dac connected to the iPad? Thanks
Does your AVR support Apple Airplay 2? If so, that's streaming music over Wi-Fi instead of bluetooth, which should still support Dolby Atmos music once processed through your AVR. Try that first? Otherwise, yes, the next step would be to connect it via lightning to USB and choosing that input on the AVR.
@@ealanosborne it does do Airplay 2, but if I believe various web sources, Airplay won’t do the maximum hi res 24/192 Atmos material It sounds pretty good though. It may be my old boomer ears, but I have a hard time hearing the difference between CD quality and hi-res. However, that was using older high res material, which is often just upsampled 16/44. I’m trying some other setups now. Life on the bleeding edge of poorly documented gadgets is tough
@@ealanosborne PS On another system, with a 2020 Apple TV & new Denon into 5.1, I tried that St Vincent album. Definitely a multichannel mix. Sounded fine
@@ratman626 If I'm not mistaken, Dolby Atmos music and Hi-Res music are two different things. Dolby Atmos music takes your ordinary stereo tracks and upmixes them into a more immersive surround sound format. Hi-Res Lossless on the other hand is extreme hi-fidelity tracks, but I'm pretty sure they are still delivered only in stereo. Your typical Atmos movie soundtrack is 24 bit/48 kHz, so I imagine that might be the same with Dolby Atmos music. In which case, streaming it via AirPlay 2 would still sound great. I'm still learning about this, too, my friend. So many numbers to keep track of. :)
Update - There was definitely some Atmos sugar playing Apple Music with AppleTV into a recent Denon (750) with 5.1 Main theater system is 9.2 & I wanted to play Atmos in there. Airplay 2 is allegedly limited to 16/44 and Apple encodes at up to 24/192, so I found this video looking for a way. First try was to use the iPad connected via a Dragonfly dac that can measure data rates, shown by the color of the dragonfly light on the DAC. Everything came out green, 44, even with higher res Apple Music streams. It sounds pretty good, but doesn’t make good use of all the surround channels. To bypass the Dragonfly DAC, and go straight to the digital Atmos dedoder, I used a $10 Amazon generic USB to toslink adapter and direct to a Denon digital input. Excellent mix. Sounds awesome with 9.2 speakers. (B&W LCR). The stream info is nowhere to be found, but 44/16 is sweet.
Those threats don't seem empty to me. Now I gotta go check out Taylor Swift's albums so I don't die 😂 All joking aside, I appreciate the video. The thought to listen on my home theatre set up had never crossed my mind
Well. I guess A.I. and upmixing can only do so much. Lol. I mean if it's not recorded that way. Can they ever really make it work? I guess time will tell. But for me. I always wait a few years for new tech to figure itself out before I will spend my money on it. That's what I am glad folks like you do these tests for us. Thank you for that. Lol.
It happens intermittently, yeah. But it’s only when I watch Apple TV+ (oddly enough), and when I’m resuming a show after it’s been paused. 🤷♂️ But after a couple minutes, it brightens back up all the sudden. Very strange…
@@ealanosborne mhm Interesting, gotta be a software bug. My first gen 4k works perfectly fine..but damn the second gen has outstanding SDR. How I met your mother looked like a bluray disc. I'm wired via erhernet. And audio sounds louder and atmos more precise. Hope they fix it so I can buy it again and enjoy it.
Oh on another note, finally have an Emotiva A7 on the way in a week now that they are FINALLY available in NZ... Your great review on the A5 was a major influence on this, I can't wait to get those Holy shit arrows! going
Nice! It’s about time NZ can get their hands on BasX stuff! Oh, and it’s been a few months, but I literally decided to watch The Two Towers while eating lunch today. More holy shit arrows! 😄
Ever since 4k came out I’ve had a problem with Apple TV being hooked up via avr I’ll try one more time with a 2021 receiver but if it keeps dropping out every few seconds I’ll be going without it lol if I go straight to the tv no problems
@@markdance574 no I’ve never used Ethernet only wifi what I mean dropping is is I could be on the Home Screen and it would go to a black screen and then come back and it would keep doing that every now and then or every two seconds I thought the new one would have fixed that but no it didn’t
@@danemoreno88 oh ok - I was just wondering if a direct feed via Ethernet directly from your internet source would help it to run smoother - My Sony AV does a fantastic job in my full Atmos set up
@@911jason I doubt it it happened on my old Apple TV why I stopped using it and on the brand new 4k one just released it may have something to do with my avr that’s why I said I’ll try a this years model which it shouldn’t have problems and I’ll see right now I just have it running to my tv and no problems
This is absolutely not the best combo First of all, Apple TV 4K remote sucks And most important thing : Apple TV 4K doesn't support Dolby TrueHD / DTS-HD passthrough So your "atmos" will be always crap, because of lossy format
I gave a Dolby Atmos a go on tidal, never again not in the near future anyway! I think they got a lot of catching up before they get anywhere near the beautiful imaging of 2 channel stereo.
I think the main problem is a lot of the music in Atmos right now was mastered in Stereo and is just being remixed to Atmos for the gimmick factor. Music that's mastered in Atmos by engineers that know how to utilize it is breathtaking, but the catalog for it isn't very big yet.
@@DustinHaningany song/album recommendations?
It’s been mostly a miss for me
Can this be done without an Apple TV? I’m looking at connecting my iPad to an external DAC then to my Denon and my 5.1.2.
Thanks for covering so much of the latest and greatest topics, products and tech ect. I agree some Dolby Atmos sounds better than others regardless of audio setup last thing you should start a Dolby Atmos music discussion/recommendation/play list
I'm very interested, also a Marantz SR6015, but no Atmos speakers yet. Dolby Atmos is object orientated, so of course they need new mixes completely from the ground up. I'm afraid what Apple is doing, giving it a "sort of" surround Dolbyish Atmosish flavor so people say, Yes it works and they can say/advertise, we have Atmos and sell Apple TV 4k's and Apple Music. But exactly what you determined, it all sounds far way and definition and positioning is gone.
Dude. Editing and set are progressing nicely.
Great presentation mate. Can Dolby be streamed via wifi from an iPhone to the AV receivers? Thanks
In theory Apple AirPlay 2 over wifi does support Dolby Atmos music, although I usually stick to wired sources, personally. 🤘
Dude you're one of my favorite youtubers you are funny AF
I would say that the problem is apple tv, and what it is made of, but when it comes to theater sound or sound 9.1 channels, atmos presents problems with cut sound in the background, due to direct streaming from apple's servers, you recognize yourself better and better soundtrack on 4k blueray because sound is embedded and is distributed and not compressed like m3
Is there Hi-Res Lossless ALAC 24bit/192kHz audio options ???
I mean, if you run into anything that’s labeled as Hi-Res Lossless on Apple Music, that already means it should be 24 bit/192 kHz ALAC audio. Here’s a playlist I found that claims they’re all Hi-Res:
music.apple.com/us/playlist/hi-res-lossless-24-bit-192khz/pl.u-MDAWvpjt38370N
I've been testing Dolby Atmos music with tidal in my HT, and it really is hit or miss. In general, I like it. But some tracks really suck.
Exactly. Nothing in between. It either really sucks or is incredible. :)
Does your AVR correctly recover 16/24 bit and 44/48 kHz output from the Apple TV with Apple Music? My Anthem reports 16 bit 48 kHz no matter the source track. I’m wondering if it’s an ATV limitation or because I’m passing audio back via eARC on my LG CX.
Could be an eARC issue? 😬🤷♂️ I haven’t had to troubleshoot that particular issue, so I’m not positive why that’s happening
@@ealanosborne yea that’s what I’m wondering. So if you have your Apple TV connect straight into the Marantz you can get 24 vs 16 but and 44 vs 48 kHz show up correctly according to the receiver?
@@SnowBob302 Yeah, as far as I know. It may be a limitation of the LG, since I know for sure your receiver can handle Hi-Res audio no problem. But I’m not in a position to be able to test that out ASAP… 😬
Music is typically distributed at 44.1kHz, so if you're distributing on CD or for online music streaming services, 44.1 is where it's at. 48kHz is typically used for audio recorded for video, so if you're using something that will be synchronized with video it's gonna be at 48kHz.
I have a 5.1 Dolby digital home theatre and a fire tv stick which doesn't have Apple Music app so How can i enjoy atmos songs in my 5.1 system otherthan apple tv 4k
If your 5.1 AVR supports Apple Airplay 2, that could allow you to listen to Atmos music tracks. 🤷♂️
@@ealanosborne But unfortunately my system doesn't support airplay hope fire tv brings apple music app in it
Hey Ealan im having a dolby digital 5.1 surround sound home theatre setup in my home. Does apple tv convert the dolby atmos format to 5.1 format in case of apple music ?
Yes, I believe it should downmix it to 5.1 just fine. 👍
Nice work Ealan, totally agree with your thoughts. There are are a few tracks you come across that make you go "shit yes this is the future!" next track makes you go "this is shit..." And yeah the Hip Hop playlist its soo terrible, and I had thought maybe my system isn't good enough to hear these tracks as they were intended? But that confirms its not just me.
I kinda think its one if those things that can take a great album to another level if done really well, and I would just keep it as an occasional experience not necessarily on everything just for the hell of it.
It really has the potential to put people off some albums altogether, some sound soo bad its distractingly hard to listen to let alone enjoy.
How to play hi ress lossless in avr from apple Music app in Android?
A lot of AVRs should have an aux input (3.5mm or USB) that should support a smart phone being connected to it. 👍
Is Apple TV 4K the only way to play Atmos with an AVR? Is there a way to do it with an iPad using the lightning to USB adapter? There’s some discussion on Computer Audiophile, but it’s not clear how to do it. I have a 9.2 setup, using a high end Denon AVR. Do I need to use the digital inputs on the AVR, or is the multichannel information preserved on the output of an external dac connected to the iPad?
Thanks
Does your AVR support Apple Airplay 2? If so, that's streaming music over Wi-Fi instead of bluetooth, which should still support Dolby Atmos music once processed through your AVR. Try that first? Otherwise, yes, the next step would be to connect it via lightning to USB and choosing that input on the AVR.
@@ealanosborne it does do Airplay 2, but if I believe various web sources, Airplay won’t do the maximum hi res 24/192 Atmos material
It sounds pretty good though. It may be my old boomer ears, but I have a hard time hearing the difference between CD quality and hi-res. However, that was using older high res material, which is often just upsampled 16/44.
I’m trying some other setups now.
Life on the bleeding edge of poorly documented gadgets is tough
@@ealanosborne
PS On another system, with a 2020 Apple TV & new Denon into 5.1, I tried that St Vincent album. Definitely a multichannel mix. Sounded fine
@@ratman626 If I'm not mistaken, Dolby Atmos music and Hi-Res music are two different things. Dolby Atmos music takes your ordinary stereo tracks and upmixes them into a more immersive surround sound format. Hi-Res Lossless on the other hand is extreme hi-fidelity tracks, but I'm pretty sure they are still delivered only in stereo. Your typical Atmos movie soundtrack is 24 bit/48 kHz, so I imagine that might be the same with Dolby Atmos music. In which case, streaming it via AirPlay 2 would still sound great. I'm still learning about this, too, my friend. So many numbers to keep track of. :)
Update - There was definitely some Atmos sugar playing Apple Music with AppleTV into a recent Denon (750) with 5.1
Main theater system is 9.2 & I wanted to play Atmos in there. Airplay 2 is allegedly limited to 16/44 and Apple encodes at up to 24/192, so I found this video looking for a way.
First try was to use the iPad connected via a Dragonfly dac that can measure data rates, shown by the color of the dragonfly light on the DAC. Everything came out green, 44, even with higher res Apple Music streams. It sounds pretty good, but doesn’t make good use of all the surround channels.
To bypass the Dragonfly DAC, and go straight to the digital Atmos dedoder, I used a $10 Amazon generic USB to toslink adapter and direct to a Denon digital input.
Excellent mix. Sounds awesome with 9.2 speakers. (B&W LCR). The stream info is nowhere to be found, but 44/16 is sweet.
Great Video man!
Thank you very much!
I have apple music in android phone. How can I connect to AVR for lossless music?
Some AVRs have a 3.5mm aux input. Otherwise, you might need an RCA adapter to go from your phone to one of the RCA inputs on the back of an AVR.
@@ealanosborne I did that but most of phones not have good quality dac inside phone.
@@shivamnrutya True, but your AVR will have a better DAC, and that’ll be the last DAC it goes through if you have your phone hooked up to it 👍
@@ealanosborne I tried apple Music by hook up to avr using aux and streem quality is only 16 bits. But I need 24 bits lossless.
Those threats don't seem empty to me. Now I gotta go check out Taylor Swift's albums so I don't die 😂 All joking aside, I appreciate the video. The thought to listen on my home theatre set up had never crossed my mind
What subs are those? 6:42
Aperion Audio Bravus II 12D subs. Check out the link below, my friend!
www.aperionaudio.com/products/bravus-ii-12d-powered-subwoofer?ref=xgnDvScPYS9H3
@@ealanosborne watching now, thanks Ealan!
I just got Apple TV and when I go to music settings there’s no option for atmos
update the apple tv
Well. I guess A.I. and upmixing can only do so much. Lol. I mean if it's not recorded that way. Can they ever really make it work? I guess time will tell. But for me. I always wait a few years for new tech to figure itself out before I will spend my money on it. That's what I am glad folks like you do these tests for us. Thank you for that. Lol.
I wonder why Spotify has not dive in lossless format?Yet?
Biggest mystery, I know! 🤷♂️
Anyone else have an issue with new Apple TV having really dark hdr and Dolby vision on oled ?
It happens intermittently, yeah. But it’s only when I watch Apple TV+ (oddly enough), and when I’m resuming a show after it’s been paused. 🤷♂️ But after a couple minutes, it brightens back up all the sudden. Very strange…
@@ealanosborne mhm Interesting, gotta be a software bug. My first gen 4k works perfectly fine..but damn the second gen has outstanding SDR. How I met your mother looked like a bluray disc. I'm wired via erhernet. And audio sounds louder and atmos more precise. Hope they fix it so I can buy it again and enjoy it.
Oh on another note, finally have an Emotiva A7 on the way in a week now that they are FINALLY available in NZ... Your great review on the A5 was a major influence on this, I can't wait to get those Holy shit arrows! going
Nice! It’s about time NZ can get their hands on BasX stuff! Oh, and it’s been a few months, but I literally decided to watch The Two Towers while eating lunch today. More holy shit arrows! 😄
DAT BASS!!! lol
Subcribed...you seem to be asking all the rights questions
Thank you very much! 🤘
Ever since 4k came out I’ve had a problem with Apple TV being hooked up via avr I’ll try one more time with a 2021 receiver but if it keeps dropping out every few seconds I’ll be going without it lol if I go straight to the tv no problems
Is your Apple TV box hooked via Ethernet directly to your modem and then into your avr ?
@@markdance574 no I’ve never used Ethernet only wifi what I mean dropping is is I could be on the Home Screen and it would go to a black screen and then come back and it would keep doing that every now and then or every two seconds I thought the new one would have fixed that but no it didn’t
@@danemoreno88 oh ok - I was just wondering if a direct feed via Ethernet directly from your internet source would help it to run smoother -
My Sony AV does a fantastic job in my full Atmos set up
That's something in your setup. Apple TV is widely considered one of the best streaming devices for a home theater.
@@911jason I doubt it it happened on my old Apple TV why I stopped using it and on the brand new 4k one just released it may have something to do with my avr that’s why I said I’ll try a this years model which it shouldn’t have problems and I’ll see right now I just have it running to my tv and no problems
Didn't know Ariana Grande was considered R&B.
Glad you feeling better! As for apple. I prefer Atrack or even beta. I never liked apple. There's better stuff out there lol
This is absolutely not the best combo
First of all, Apple TV 4K remote sucks
And most important thing : Apple TV 4K doesn't support Dolby TrueHD / DTS-HD passthrough
So your "atmos" will be always crap, because of lossy format
Trust me, it sounds great and you can’t tell the difference.
This is one of the corniest videos that i’ve watched