@@No1karez I think because weak men tend to do harm on a broader spectrum whereas psychotic men may be more focused on controlling their immediate surroundings.
@@Lechatnoire I feel like there are weak men who are no threat to anyone however these psychopaths in control of nations seem to be the most dangerous of all. It just seems the quote isn't all that precise.
Jordan Peterson has done so much for my mental health as a man 🙏🏽💜 My best time in life was actually in High school when I had no worries at that time, but after that life hit me pretty hard. I'm actually coming up with a resource that helped me become the man I am today. I used to live in Miami being around street violence, guns, death, and I even used to eat $3 a day, 25 cents noodles, expired toast and canned campbell tomato soup. I survived the Boston Marathon Bombing which was a few feet away and I saw all the blood the people screaming and I was alone at 18. I also used to live in a room with no kitchen, trash bag as a window and bugs crawling on me at night. I also took boxing to protect myself and learned how to defend against bigger threats. Now I live in a cabin in the north of Sweden where I go down to a lake to breathe and heal my past and I post on RUclips to help others who need it the most.
@Mehdi Tate Good for you! We all deserve to live a good and productive life. I say everyone is the Master of their own fate, what happens to you and for you is a product of what you put into it. We all have the same opportunities (in America) and some have more due to their situation ( Medicare, welfare, food stamps) that many choose not to rise above. As you explained, you had it bad but YOU changed it !!!!!!! You didn't blame anyone for your situation, that is what makes a real man. GOD BLESS YOU
One thing NO ONE talks about is. Women work. A man losing 50% of his belongings once divorced. Was a rule made when women 100% stayed at home. This rule is now obsolete and put men in a situation where there are some incentives ve in getting married, but major risks. I think this policy needs to be revisited.
My X didn't work, and I encouraged it because I was trying to take care of her and my kids. Unfortunately, I didn't know who she was or what was happening at home when I was out supporting the family. Narcissistic Abuse became evident, and in the divorce she claims that I wouldn't "let" her work. She lied about the value of community property (all the stuff she didn't want) and got way more than 50%. It was the price of my freedom. I'm happily remarried and healing and prospering and knowing she knows that is worth the price. Getting a fair 50% wasn't worth fighting with a crazy woman.
@jeff Muller, I had a court today where my wife was trying for a personal protection order. She did not provide any substantial evidence of any violence. Whereas i submitted mine in clear details. The protection order was still delivered to her. The same reasons she gave...i did not allow her to work, controlled her dressings blah blah....same international problem.
Despite women being able to work, you can't deny the biological reality that women have the children therefore have their careers and upward mobility cut in half compared to men. Why should women be financially hurt due to children whereas men walk away with every penny? 50 percent is fair because marital assets should be split evenly regardless.
@@brandiphillips5775 Not just the biological burden, but most women also end up doing most of the work at home in addition to working outside the house.
''Women need to stand up against their crazy sisters'and say: Look enough of that, enough man hating, enough bringing disgrace on usas a gender'' ''The woman i know that are sane, are busy doing sane things'' Such real words.
@ Jan Fleischmann Women who hate men are terrifying. I say that as a woman. They are so mentally disturbed that they will attempt to *destroy anyone* they feel stands in their way. They’re not real women. They are demons in flesh suits. Men and women both need to rise up together and put a stop to this trash.
@@axiomsandthings9213 Actually women do that FAR more than men. Why is it women file 80% of the divorces and yet cheat as much as men? Because they think men are to blame for all of their problems.
I heard this and cried bro. I've been saying this for years. There are NO options when dealing with a malevolent woman, your only option is to disengage and distance yourself.
That first red flag is enough. Do not go forward. If she's taking out what her father did to you then you've stayed way too long. Men, be very careful whom you choose. They can be the mother of your children or aborted children.
There are no options when dealing with a malevolent person! Full stop! The problem with men engaging with these women is because they look at their body, they want the sex, even if the woman is absolutely controlling and disrespectful towards him! Guys are attracted to the drama at the beginning, then they later want peace! Just like some women that are attracted to a player, then they want loyalty! It is not working like that!
This lady deserves a lot of credit, great insight, great dialogue and common sense approach to a world that has gone completely mad with nothing but identity politics
NO....the ''western'' world has gone effying mad. Not only about ID politics but in all aspects of life. You people have become a Kaposi sarcoma on the surface of planet Earth.
@@ares1647 You call her she and she looks and sounds like a woman. Since she said she was Trans was she a man or does she Identify as a man without the hormones or extreme butcher of private parts? Some of these people are sick and twisted, she sounded intelligent but why do I or the rest of us need to know she wants to be known as Trans. That's what I hate about this whole demon filled infatuation that is fueled by the social media and propped up by the radical left. The same with the fad of wearing your pants 5 sizes too big, hanging off your ass and holding them up with one hand? It's stupid and borderline "indecent exposure"). That fad was started by inmates in prison to let the others know who was willing to take it in the butt and they don't think that's stupid? What about the male shop teacher that was wearing a woman's blouse with triple G fake boobs and nipples hardened in front of teenage children? Babylon has fallen, the end is near, the antichrist is on the rise. Repent and be saved, your soul depends on it.
I absolutely agree... men are at loose ends in a disagreement with a female...there is nothing that will not be seen as male aggression towards women. It is women who have to stand up and tell men...most especially young men..you are not what you are being portrayed to be. You are valued, you are worthy,..society needs you to be men and if you don’t... women, children, and society as a whole will falter. Loved hearing this amazing discourse between two respectful and intelligent people.
@Athlethics That is no doubt true to Muslims, but really religions come and go with hundreds of gods to choose from over the centuries. Each religion, of course, claiming to be the real deal. While they have provided faith comfort and belief to many religions have also caused, and continue to, much misery strife and death. Far from being a solution they have proved to be the problem.
Preach it sister! You are correct, 100%! As a young 20 yr old man years ago, I had a gf that had bipolar. She was also abusive physically. She would often say, "It's okay for me to hit you, because you deserve it! You said something stupid. But, it's not okay for you to hit." I don't think it's right for anyone to be physically abusive at all.
@@todddudas9715 I had similar experience. My gf would initiate physical violence and if ever I retaliated in defence when she was hitting she would say that I should not hit her because I am bigger than her. What kind of warped logic is that. She basically wanted me to accept being her punchbag.
@@VAPIDISM Religion YES, Believing and living for the one TRUE GOD, CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE AND EVERY THING IN IT IS A DIFFERENT STORY. You should try it sometime, GOD blesses those that worship HIM and live their lives for HIM and NOT THE WORLD. God Bless You.
I once was involved with an Asian woman who would make it a point - each and every time - to greet me with cheer and warmth, and good words. Even though there were times when she didn't feel that way, she did it anyway. For five minutes or so it would be positive dialogue - initiated by her. Now this sounds simple and not much to it, but it actually was quite profound. Where she learned to do this, and how, I have no idea other than it came from her cultural background.
My ex punched me behind the head the day I left her. She knew I wasn’t gonna hit her back because she knew she had the law on her side. In the divorce she told the judge I hit her. She said a list of crazy shit and asked for half. THE PROBLEM IS THE LAW. AND THE LAW IS PROTECTING THEM.
The law is technically on your side. You are absolutely allowed to hit back and if she strikes you, then you can call the cops and get her arrested. The problem is, when in doubt, they will arrest you, and it's guilty until proven innocent. Good luck, when SHE'S the only witness. So, on paper, the law is fair, in reality, it's not even close.
Wait until you find out our taxes are the thing funding the government to act this way. We are literally paying to be treated like dog shit by woman and the government. And people actually wonder why men have checked out of society. Maybe if they keep shaming us it will fix the problem. Let's sit back and find out the hard way I guess.
I wish I had a platform as a woman to do exactly what he said! So sad that people rather listen to the actors and socialites who do not live in the reality the majority of us live!
The difference is you are so far in the middle of the river of everyday society that to listen to you would be detrimental for everybody. People listen to those who freely move in and outside the box
Start talking. Start making connections with like-minded people and start a youtube channel. If you reach one person then you'd be making a valuable contribution. Who's to say you wouldn't be amazing?
@@ThepurposeofTime I like your framing of that. Free thinkers can move in and out because to them the box isn't relevant. It's a societal constraint that needs you to participate and acknowledge the existence of the box for it to matter.
YES!!!! I stand up for my brother, son and husband because they do not deserve to be bashed. They are good men and there are many, many good men in life. They are trying to be supportive of women but in this current atmosphere cannot win. I am actually embarrassed by these women. This is such a necessary conversation to have and continue to have until it is heard. They are going to wake up someday and realize they have lost their lives in misery.
Men have not dealt with you or someone close to yet 🤣🤣🤣. There are good women too; good loyal wives. What do they get for being good? Men have a way of cheating the good women and rewarding the bad ones so women stopped being good. Everybody wants to enjoy and be rewarded instead while the wife does all the hard part. Maybe when you see a man deal with a good faithful woman that has endured with him from the days of humble beginnings you'll also conclude that they're bad investment and women should not waste their time and love on them. They all look good at the beginning till they make a fool out of you on the long run. Do you think your goodness and devotedness will guarantee anything 🤣🤣? I just concluded that they're not worth sacrificing anything for. We are tired of being the fools. And being the one that fools everybody is not a position anyone benefitting will give up without a fight and that's why men are kicking against everything and getting "smart wise" women to agree with them.
Lol indeed it's a completion thang! As following the sage path, currently into the midst of it with a whole community trying to get indirectly involve to back it up.
@@tempsoda because these what men are doing and have done for years! They spplited the women in good and in whores! But they would want both, get involved with both and make sure the woman keep fighting eachother! There are wives that turn a blind eye to the man cheating and take it out on the woman, like he has no saying in that! That is what men did and that’s why they are si angry now that women choose to have jobs and can leave from a humiliating situations like that…they trash every woman that works, tat is decent and put them all in the same category…to make sure women stop growing and go back to 100% dependability on men! They preffer this then starting to work on themselves…and actually be men deserving of a loving household and partner!
Do you also stand by women? Were your brother, son and husband beaten, attacked, ridiculed for dressing in a certain way? Were they passed on for promotions, because they refuse to flirt or sleep with their boss? Or simply for being men? Where exactly do they need to be protected - since they jace every opportunity and open door in the world, without being ridiculed for trying, or being judged for every decision! So what exactly are you standing up for?
"After a bitter quarrel, some resentment must remain. What can one do about it? Therefore the sage keeps his half of the bargain But does not exact his due. A man of Virtue performs his part, But a man without Virtue requires others to fulfil their obligations. The Nature of reality is impartial. It stays with good men all the time." I understand you are not asking to me but what you said sometimes can be reversed and be the opposite scenario.. Crazy belong to the material world as they barely express with inner sincerity, therefore not knowing thyself. Not looking for understandings to arrive at a certain truth about whatever situation neither yourself. Those things can be sensed out of the most devoted and sensitive beings by understandings of visceral truth anybody have to carry on and resolve. Also the context matters a lot as it can be true in 1 context but unfortunately false into another. Forcing matter through a logical understandings has barely no meaning here - Women are generally closer to themselves than men. Losing that biological aspect on whole scale, it's probable women & men dynamics break loose.
3:56 "The techniques that I would use against a man who is employing those tactics are forbidden to me." Does that mean Peterson physically beats up men on a regular basis? I can´t imagine him holding back against women when it comes to "just" debating.
That is something I very much agree with. The only person we should ever try to control is ourselves. People that attempt to control others usually have low self esteem and feel out of control, so they project that onto others by being controlling and it never ends well.
Men can improve at being men by meditating, reading more, exercising and lifting weights, playing a sport or learning a martial art and taking responsibility for their actions. Become honest, confident, charismatic, well read, educated, fit and healthy with a level of physical prowess that has been trained and refined. Be disciplined. Then, when you're making progress.. Demand better behaviour from the people around you. Don't let them talk down to you or be disrespectful, don't give up your investment in your self for a woman. Have boundaries. Have some self respect. Be men.
I agree with you at some points. Just respect yourself and stand up for yourself…Most men these days are just weak Beta males…They’re giving bad name to guys like us…Be dominant, leader and stop being a submissive simp and chase women….No wonder women don’t respect men these days….Have a nice day.
It's easier to get attracted to men that are busy with self-improvement (physically, spiritually, financially...) that they don't have time to notice you and men that don't feel like their worth is tied to a woman saying yes. But unfortunately many men will rather focus on chasing women or getting things that will attract women. It's all about women, can't men just live their lives and allow the right girl come along. My boyfriend did that, I got attracted and surprised at him because many guys his age are busy chasing women. And I literally moved into his life like "hey I like you, I'm not bad physically so the likelihood of getting no was very low, I got a yes" . Other guys that literally chased me? I wasn't interested in them at all because they weren't fascinating, their heads was just full of women, sex and getting money illegally to flaunt in ladies faces. On getting to know my boyfriend better he treats women with a lot of respect too, who won't be attracted to that and want to camp with him for life? He didn't need to learn smooth talking or funny pickup lines to attract fine ladies. Before I met him I had concluded that the male gender was crap and not worth marrying/ wasting time on but I met him and my mind totally changed about the male gender. On beauty, he's not blessed with natural facial beauty, that's out of his control but the things within his control? He has mastered them. That's why I keep telling guys it's not about beauty, it's not about money or learning deception and smooth talking. Many of the girls you'll get with those things don't last and they'll end up heaping curses on you and your unborn generation when they realize the deception and facade you built to draw them in. If y'all just looked away from women for a moment and focused on yourselves you'd find women coming to you. I've had to act very jealously over my boyfriend to ward other women wanting to camp with him too😂😂. He's not as pretty or rich as many guys yet he has options he says no to and many of those girls are pretty. My advice for men is to never chase women, let her come then you can put in effort to make her stay. If she loves you she will also put in effort and it will be mutual. Never envy the smooth talking guys that deceive and "get girls" that's the recipe for disaster, it's like giving trouble and insanity an invitation to your life. Many of the girls you'd get through such ways will smash your heart with a sledge hammer. But oh well 🤷♀️men never get it, they'll still blame rejection on not being cute or rich enough.
Open doors for women and elders. Watch out for those around you. Men are supposed to be protectors, but they go around with tunnel vision, or focused on their devices, decidedly UNmasculine.
This is prolific. There are a lot of women who secretly like their daughters being bullies. They think they will not get hurt that way. God help us all. Society is breaking down.
Which is quite funny in a way, since that is literally the biggest threat against not just those women, but every single woman in a western society. Men are the ones keeping society functioning and safe, and women simply can not substitute men in this regard even remotely. So, by attacking men they are indirectly attacking the foundation of western society and safety. Already now the cracks can be seen in the deterioration of the militaries, the police force and maybe even in the willingness of men to aid women in general. This is what women pushed for.
This was fantastic. Every women should have to hear this. I forget this women's name but she has been fighting for men's rights longer than me. I have a great deal of respect for her.
@@Artepus5569 If Peterson can't control a toy car, then why are you "thankful" not all women are under his control? You sound like a hateful logically bankrupt person, or what society like to call feminists. They were talking about "crazy women", but I get it, hard to see the forest from the trees huh?
I do too I first heard about her years ago on Dennis Prager Show she's very smart and knows what she's talking about. And I love it that she's a woman and a lesbian I'm a gay man and this whole gay marriage thing that started that's why we are where we're at right now this whole thing is falling apart. Trust me gay men are exactly the same way as they were 20 30 years ago nothing has changed. This whole thing is exacerbated by the leftist liberal highly educated White crowd😱 once you let the genie out of the bottle that's what's going on right now now we have to be concerned about transgendered and who's going to bed with who and next you're going to have transvestites going to work and full drag and they'll pass a law saying that they can💅💄👎 what do I care if you dressed in drag it's your business but one shouldn't have to shove it down everybody's throat
Crazy women create nothing but misery around them. The best recourse is to simply get them out of your life. When you encounter one in public, do your best to ignore her and remove yourself from the situation as quickly as possible. To have a happy life you must steer clear of nut jobs as much as possible. If it can't be avoided and a crazy woman attacks you physically, then fight back as you would another man. That's my take anyway.
The Tactical Guide to Women is an excellent book for men. Relationahip thirst puts men in distinct disadvantage with women. Unless you are willing to walk away from disrespect and ungrateful women, you will be miserable staying with insane woman.
I don't think it's necessary to fight back that hard against most feminists, but maybe that's just me. The same types that fall for self-centered dogma don't have the mental discipline to work out / build any muscle. I can't prove the correlation, but I also feel like feminists have terrible street-smarts in a fight from a lack of being grounded in reality. Dangerous in large groups ofc.
Ignoring them if at all possible is the only way. Women hate to be ignored. Them will be forced to face their shadow self and either change or it will be their demise. It will drive them mad. Enablers are the worst. Not giving them their way is the best course of action.
She is wrong about men and women never working side by side. My grandmother and grandfather and their six children all picked cotton when it came in. They helped plant, they picked vegetables, they raised pigs and chickens, they worked as a family. They owned a 350 acre farm, and they all worked together.
I’m a woman and i don’t see that men and women r not working side by side now We are. The issue I see is the inability of both sides to see what each equally bring and there is that tension and competition Men resort to alienating women because they r an “unknown” entity and women resort to emotional methods particularly those that reinforce men’s beliefs that women r emotionally weak. When we r not But at the end of the day what is measurable is agree outcome which is the product of competence regardless of method and definitely regardless of gender And a mutual recognition of this ultimate goal Utopian this may seem the current race to beat each other down is producing the worst possible outcomes for everyone so now it’s time to rethink the paradigm all Women r not weak. All Men r not strong. Both r equally weak and strong
@@microfarming8583 “Modern times” You don’t wear T-shirts and blue jeans? Those are still the most common apparel for the entire United States. And it took cotton farmers to harvest the cotton for them. The best and most expensive clothing comes from 100% natural materials. People will pay MORE for pure cotton, than something that’s 60% petroleum based plastics. People in “modern times” may not be aware of where their clothes comes from, but farming also occurs in modern times even if the bourgeoisie don’t understand that. (The origin of the word bourgeoisie means city dwellers.)
I am a broken man. I struggle with insecurity. I love my wife but I often fail in the areas many weak men do. I've done a lot of good for her but I've hurt her many times because of my own baggage. I'm trying to be better but while I'm trying to be better life goes on and I dont always respond to her appropriately. We love each other and its hard work. Throw in the fact that as her full time disability carer life presents no breathing room to grow and avoid high pressure situations that wear us down and bring out our weaknesses. Life can be relentless and leave us in less than ideal situations to heal and be better. I feel I create as many problems as I'm trying to fix while going forward. I need Gods grace and help to come out in the end with a wife who knows I love her AND gets treated right by me when I'm run down from the burden of caring. I want my wife to have a man who loves her the way she deserves: tirelessly and supportively when she is not at her best. But no I end up feeling defensive because I lack intrinsic self esteem and crave respect so much that I feel disrespected in exchanges where the disagreements have nothing to do with whether she respects me or not. I am desperately trying to create habits that help me find space to rationalise and process arguments where she pushes my buttons and not to "react" immaturely because we both really are just broken people who want the best for the other deep down.
Don't be too hard on yourself. of course I don't know the extent of what you have described here and as they say the 'Devil is with in the detail'. But assuming its all fairly typical stuff, then its apparent you both have found yourselves in a circumstance neither of you could have expected, or foreseen, even if your wife had this disability prior to your marriage. I went through a similar experience, though I was caring for my elderly mum, not my lover, not my partner, so that makes our circumstance quite different. But all the same I can relate to the frustrations you have described. Another difference is that my mum was always so grateful to me for putting my life on hold to care for her, which ironically added to a sense of guilt inside me. But I never had to deal with the complexities of those frustrations your partner is going through being subject to this humiliating position of having the person she married and loves caring for her in ways that must make her feel like an infant at times. that must be so difficult for her. But that doesn't take away the frustrations you are going through (I've found myself using that word a lot to describe the feelings I assume you both are going through). All I can say is, don't beat yourself up for feeling negative thoughts regarding caring for your wife, as that is only human. I dont know if you seek out counselling from a therapist or psychologist but that may be very helpful having someone who is trained in understanding what others are going through comment and help guide you on the road ahead. I'll just finish in saying that even before my mother passed away a couple of years back now, even before that my love and appreciation for her grew beyond the normal love one feels for ones mother. The experience of this deep sense of love I was able to experience through caring for her was like no other love I have personally experienced. Having the opportunity to truely care for someone is life changing, and what else is there to experience in this life than that of true love for someone. beats hang gliding or rock climbing , mountaineering or snow boarding hands down.
You're too hard on yourself. Your core motivation is s beautiful - your wife is lucky to have such a level of commitment to your "us". No marriage is without struggles but those who survive are the ones who have partners like yourself who are aware, develop insights and have a solution driven attitude. But please don't knock yourself trying to be perfect. Love is two imperfect people loving each other perfectly.
you sound like you have a controlling witchy women around you...she probably holds all the strings to what's really important for you...hard life ahead
Ok so there's this rule of human behavior. If you're the sole caretaker of any human then you must take a few hours totally away from them once a week or you absolutely will be abusive. Take the break. Get someone to sit with your charge. I've seen too many beat themselves up for being abusive to a parent, baby or spouce because they refuse their own need for self care and to be autonomous. Heed my advice. You'll see your tolerance increase and your frustrations decrease even as it becomes more challenging. You can do it. I know you want to be the best for your loved ones.
Hi Neil, it must be very hard. One small actionable thing is to take a moment with your wife every so often if not every day and get away from the minutia of it all. Positively affirm your big picture view of each other, remember why you fell in love with each other, review your happy memories together, the hopes and dreams you had together, the crises you overcame and any other positive aspects of your marriage.
As a woman I stand up for men where ever I can, I just don't feel that I reach many people, just my daughters and the women I happen to speak with if it comes up, have an older woman friend that always asks to have my 2 youngest boys come help around her house, but I have had to tell her more than once not to refer to anything about my son's as toxic because they are male, she tries to respect it but she is heavily programmed to fully believe that all males by virtue of being male are inherently toxic, and all I can do is disagree and ask that she respect my sons when they are there to help her, while showing them that we don't treat people the way we think they might deserve but we treat them the way we would want to be treated, but seriously it is definitely time to stand up for our boys and men, 🙏💜
I like this conversation. It’s one more proof to a pessimist that humans are (also) sane, brilliant, calmingly pleasant to behold - like mountains and water, let’s say. I feel energized and hopeful.
Both my grand parents had farms 80 years ago. Both my grand mothers and grandfathers struggled in the fields together but my grandmothers would prepare meals and organise and love the children and grandchildren when we worked on the farm. Preparing meals was not a bad thing and not as physically demanding as dealing with livestock or carrying a bushel of peaches and hand washing clothes was not fun. Both the male and the female jobs sucked, but the ones that required a little more physical strength were done by men. Gender roles evolved out of necessity. Women have less testosterone and recover from physical stresses slower. Even as an elite athlete I was exhausted at the end of the day after working on the farm and every muscle ached when I rolled out of bed the next day to work in the fields and this was even when my loving grandmother coddled me. My uncle was only a few years older and worked way harder than me and jumped out of bed to do it again. I was fortunate enough to be able to be the maternal caregiver to my young children and it was the best few years of my life. The grass is always greener in your neighbours lawn until you see it up close and realise it 's the same colour as yours.
Smart Experienced Men. Don't put up with craziness. In any form or manner. He walks the walk. And don't just talk the talk. On the Flip side. Good Woman keeps her man grounded, and Great women keep the World grounded. Life should be about Compromise and not Control. He's exactly right you can't change crazy people. Indeed!! ❤️🙏💯
He was right in that you can't control someone who cannot be reasoned with. But we can always leave - albeit with more difficulty if you've had children with this person. I've been in relationships with some very abusive women. Strangely, I never had an issue in dealing with male conflict. But I obviously didn't apply the same standards when it came to women. Once I realised that it was ME who had the problem and wasn't setting my boundaries correctly, I had no problem walking away from toxic people. That said, I may have over-corrected 🤣 And yes, he's so very right about the underlying (however deep) violence in male - male arguments. If people don't respect the fact that you can hold yourself in check, then they aren't worth spending time with.
I'd say you never had any issue dealing with male confloct cause both parties knew, subconsciously, that the other has two sets of 5 fingers of reason available at the flick of the wrist, but neither of you wanted to use them first. We men also get through conflict differently; unless it's a really bad offense; we generally forgive the other party; and only throw punches when push comes to shove.
Unless you are gay then the whole RELATIONSHIP between men and women are structurually different. MOST relationships you can EASILY walk away from if they become toxic. If a guy is an a hole, its not about fighting or not fighting, you just don't hang around them. If you are in scenarios where the relationship is about whether to resort to violence, thats messed up from day one. Women are usually different. They are usually a progresison of relationshiips, in part sexual. The ones that aren't, again, you walk away from. Labour relations are somethign else entirely, and get a union or a human resources rep if you need that. A MAN being abused bya woman is usually FAR easier to get away from than vice versa. Sometimes not, but evne in those cases its rarely the case that you are afraid for your life. "Arguments" are things you have when you don't know how to do conflict resolution, they are the first failing BEFORE the final blowout that often results in violence or at least verbal carnage.
Agreed 👍🏼 I'm in the situation you are describing in the first paragraph and have two children that will have to see their parents one at the time in the future. That's one of the last things I ever wished upon my two small children and it's a very hard situation to be in. Hopefully the kids will have two happy parents seperated from each other instead of two unhappy parents being together.
No such thing as an overcorrection in this regard. Walk away from any and every woman the _second_ she crosses the line. Sacrifice your boundaries and self-respect for nobody. Always be able to walk away from _anything_ in 10 seconds if need be.
Problem is he did not say someone..he centered out women as such and cannot be controlled..what about crazy men?.....JP is pure drivel for the weak minded
"Men can't control crazy women," one-million-dollar advice right there, literally, it may save you a total of a million dollars throughout your lifetime if you learn this early.
JP is so on the money about how men have conflict. I had a partner whom I had a baby to quite young, unfortunately we didn’t see eye to eye on quite a lot of things and there was a lot of conflict. I could see traits between how her mother treated her father and there were a number of red flags. Her father came around and had a chat to me, his words were “Happy wife, Happy life” That comment is a complete representation of the repression some women place among men. The women that believe in that statement are the driving force on why we are having this conversation today.
Well said! That phrase is repulsive and I resent it. It upsets the balance in marriage where each person needs to have equal power. I believed that stupid phrase for so long being married to an abusive woman and I bent over backwards trying to gain her approval.
It wasn't capitalism that forced woman out of the home. The united states fiscal policy has caused all of this. We have a very centralized monetary system. The U.S. over the past 100 years has tried to stop the boom bust cycles to economies by controlling the currency. However this created inflation that grew over time. As the inflation grew one person couldn't provide a steady income. So the mother was forced to work. One could think that feminism was created by the government to maintain our current system and to push woman to go into the workforce. So the system wouldn't collaspe.
A very good discussion. Although men and women have always worked side by side to keep their family safe and fed. Their lives were very physical and they had to make a good team to survive. And another thing not everyone wants or should have children. And that is a choice that we are fortunate to have today. I prefer to stay at home and raise my family and take care of my family. But for the first 15 years of my adult life I worked in a family business and enjoyed that very much and was very successful. So I do not want to tell other women what to do.
Both men and women rely on the other group to promote healthy messages and respectful behavior and dissuade their own from overstepping. What is fascinating is that we have a common problem: dealing with the unruly other leaves us with no next steps. It is worth noting that the inability to stand up to unruly men is a key reason women are pressing men to be less dominant, aggressive and disagreeable. I think that women lack the ability to solve disagreements by force or physical confrontation, which, as Petersen notes, is the primary tool he would use to dissuade an unreasonable man. What women don't hear a lot about is that our own tool set - verbal assault, reputation destruction, screaming, gossiping, allying against a target - can also be misapplied, with harmful consequences, and that men are also not equipped to deal with our tools. I am glad Petersen shared this because men's struggle with women is the less obvious of the two juxtapositions and it is both valid and tragic. We women ask men to police their brothers and keep their behavior in check, we should also be mindful of how we behave and discourage our sisters from abusing men, especially verbally.
A very important conversation as far as I am concerned. Not an easy one to have by any stretch of the imagination. Our children need to be loved equally, they need to be equally supported and encouraged. Regardless of gender, each child needs to be heard and supported to become the best version of themselves - boys should never, ever be left behind the curve. Kindness is the common love language for all.
I like the dialog and I agree with the ideas from both sides, I’ve seen many women mistreating their husbands, and many men talking badly about their women, some being physically violent towards their wives too. The issue of aggression between genders is very complicated. What I find not pleasant to hear is the label of “crazy” from a professional psychologist. This sounds very strange and harsh as for a person who works as a clinical psychologist. Looks like a stigma on women who weren’t choosing to have a harsh relationship with men in their past, yet being called crazy because they have mental illness by a professional who supposedly should make them feel safe before they can recognise that the problem is with them. Imo.
Jordan is correct. Us same women aren't going to go out and argue with unreasonable feminists in public. What we can do, is not raise our girls to be like that and our boys not to marry that.
I agree, reasonable women have a role to play in calling the "crazy" women out, and encouraging normal, healthy (or at least not disfunctional) men to stand up for themselves. At the societal level, reasonable men and women will figure this out eventually, and we will put the crazies of both sexes back in their place.
It can be difficult calling out the crazy woman if she is your boss, or senior to you in any way in the workplace... as a fellow woman she will immediately see you as the enemy and do everything she can to ruin your career, ruin your life, ruin your mental health -- she will have one mission and one mission only and that is to destroy you!
I'm truly so confused of this conversation. Maybe it's because I did not listen to the root of this conversation or the beginnings of it but alas let me share my thoughts. 1st point: I graduated HS in 2017, and I did not ever hear any "anti-male" propaganda in any of my classes. If anything, a lot of my classes were dominated by young men in the case for GPAs and in the case for discourse and class discussion. That usually pushed away any possible anti male rhetoric. Furthermore, in all of my classes men were the heroes of novels, scientific discoveries, historical facts, and so forth. Never once did I, and my friends and male peers to whom I often spoke to, felt like we were being forced to read and listen to anti male rhetoric/propaganda. The most obvious cases where men were badly spoken about were recent events where men committed crimes, said foolish things to the press, and so forth. I'm unsure if what Jordan Peterson, and the like, are referencing is a very recent anti male crisis in our public schools. 2) When Peterson said that men are forbidden to handle a situation with a woman by fighting, I believe that is a good thing, and I would like to think he also believes that as well. I understand he is making conjecture that there are no ways past dialogue that men can handle a situation with women. However, I believe that is a good thing. Men should not be able to fight it out with a woman who is wrong to prove them right or put them in their place. I hope I do not have to explain to anyone who reads this WHY I believe that. I also do believe that men, all of us as a whole, should pursue the ability to dialogue and reason with crazy people, whether they are men or women, and not have to fight. Society has moved further away from physical altercations as a means for righteousness, which I believe is good. So please can anyone explain what I am not understanding from this video and their conversation? Because, to me, they seemed to have been arguing nonsense.
That's because they ARE arguing nonsense. You're one of the few intelligent, non-delusional people in this comment section. That's why you are confused. Let me explain: This is an example of conservative media stoking fear and paranoia. They do it so well.
My experience, throughout my life, and I may be an exception, is that males were mostly good, not causing drama, being relatively reasonable. Or maybe it's because it was easy for me to understand them, because females seemed batshit crazy to me. Backstabbing, gossiping, reputation destruction, hypocrisy, I never could associate with them (when I was young. it's not the same now. women my age are as reasonable as men). I would rather see men settle their dispute at the bicycle rack, at least that's honest and fair. So all of my life, I felt I was a bro, I associated with men. But that didn't serve me so much because being part of the gang meant I wasn't really female. I'm not even sure what it means to be female, it bears some sort of shame that I carried from my upbringing (or downbringing. that's a joke).
My wife is just like you. Hates overly emotive crap. She always gets along with men better than women. Don't worry about the gossips. That's not what being female is. Honestly, having babies is the female super power. Men have died over and over to protect our women. We are expendable and good, strong men understand and accept that. That's why strong men will run head first into certain death, knowingly, if it will protect someone that needs it. But every great man, had a great woman beside him. Helping him when he was vulnerable and understanding him. We are nothing without each other. I
Personal experiences are almost ALWAYS the exception. Get into a room of guys and listen to the gossiping, its pretty much the same. Backstabbing, well, almost every woman can tell you about the fact that the best friends of lots of their boyfriends were constantly hitting on them and would sleep with them in half a second despite their best friend. Thats pretty much 'backstabbing'. For 'drama', how a woman experiences male drama or how a male experiences female drama will be VERY different, in fact likely the opposite. Most guys have ZERO idea what the women are saying or any of the drama. And SO many times I'll hear this about women, but then the men will say "fortunately its not the women I know". Meaning that its mostly hearsay. Almost NOTHING of what the media passes off as gender identity components ever turn out to be true. Women don't cry more in public, they aren't together talking about makeup and shoes and shopping non stop, and men aren't burping and farting and talking about sports all the time. "Drama" will be completley relative. What you say is right because of course where the drama is, is when we are young and basically finding out identity and selecting mates. Its chaos in the human world just like its chaos in the animal world.
What he's saying here is indisputably true. I'd only add that young men need to learn that SARCASM is an extremely effective way of dealing with crazy women. A well delivered sarcastic/sardonic line can go a long way to controlling an otherwise potentially volatile situation.
you and all other crazy JP fans speak of women like they are some other species of animals, cryptic and unbeknownst to human beings. It is you, who are pathologically unable to have relations, not only with women, but with other people in general. Look at yourself, sharing ‘techniques’ of speaking to ‘crazy’ women (whoever the hell that is), pretending that you have to defend yourself from insanity, whereas it is you who have gone mad and miserable.
@@paimei7143 huh? You seem to either lack the intellect to understand what I'm saying, or are somehow triggered by the notion that crazy women exist. "Pathologically unable to have relations?" LOLOLOLOL
@@paimei7143 PS - I also understand women now much better than I did when I was younger, and as a result, do much better with them. I wish in my younger days I'd had a JP to break things down so brilliantly. He does not posit that women are some other "species of animal," but rather, a different gender with biological differences, mentally and physically. If you deny this is true, then there's not much I could say to convince you of anything on this subject.
If your goal in your relationship is to "control" your spouse, you shouldn't be in a relationship. Period. There already is a power-imbalance in a relationship - the man can physically dominate the woman through force of violence. If emotionally bludgeoning your spouse makes you 'feel better', you'll be a very lonely person in short-order.
Absolutely correct…in 2008 and 2019, I walked away from two professional positions because of crazy WOKE women…and at the time, everyone wanted me to fight back. If they were men, then I would have fought back legally.. I was in a “lose-lose” situation with crazy women and it was easier to simply make a lateral move…until more crazy WOKE women where hired in the second organization LOLO. In fact, after about 1-2 years, they managed to push all logical, balanced, family men out…and that’s when both organizations crumbled in reputation and functionality. In fact back in 2009, one organization (where I once worked- a circuit court) was National News because of its failures and inability to function properly. I’m glad I made the lateral move 1.5 years before it imploded. Now I’m wondering if this university position will pander to WOKE, crazy women (professors) and demonize logical, balanced family men…it is a enduring time for normal fathers, husbands, and normal men. However if it does not kill us, then it will make us stronger. Society needs men who can endure…even though others don’t want to acknowledge it.
This helps explain a 2015 study by the American Sociological Association which found that 90% of divorces in which the woman is college educated are initiated by the woman. Like the clip said, they are an unhappy lot.
Love this kind of conversation. There is such a balanced ideas. You can tell there is no toxic ideas. We absolutely need to take some concepts from our grandparents to go back to being a healthy society again
Why would you want to control a woman? When you appreciate the company you keep and allow things to flow naturally and allow people to be just as they are ,things workout really well,and people still end up learning from eachother.
As with all things, balance is key. In many countries and even in the US not long ago, women were treated as second-rate citizens. A woman couldn't even get a credit card without her husband's "approval". It was considered correct for a man to 'put his woman in place' even if that meant beating her. In response to that, women rose up. There are many good men in this world. My husband, son, coworkers, friends -- they are masculine, kind and secure in their own ways and understand they lens the are under. They have turned it around and have shown that GREAT men exist through transformation - not subjugation.
I use to be what I think was what a lady should be until I met all these guys treating me like trash. Now I am learning to love myself and working on the things that I need to and I don't know if I'll ever meet a real man.
Traumatized men created fierce traumatized women who create another generation of traumatized men, so who to blame? Just give the traumatized women (any person) what they seek - compassion and understanding, not another words of how they are broken and crazy
Its is not a male or female thing Nat. It is a "people" thing. People really suck today. Folks, especially the youth (I am in my 50's) are just plain awful to each other today. It is really sad to see and why I spend a great deal of my time now retired alone, at home and with just other older veterans. You can only break a circle of hatred, abuse and resentment with persistent patient love and acceptance. I was given up at near birth and grew up in the "house of horrors" state care system and if I can figure this out anyone can.
do broken people look for compassion and understanding tho? I watched that one video on Courtney Ryan's channel yesterday about that one girl who publically stated, that her way of living is to get intimate with the guy, cheat on him, then dump him without letting him know, repeat. Because "she wants the THRILL" and "well is it that bad if they never find out?". And that was physically painful to watch, because you know, what if a man chopped her head off and buried her somewhere in the forest? If nobody knew, by her estimation, it would be completely fine, you know, but that thought NEVER CROSSES HER BLANK MIND, BECAUSE WOMEN ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HERESY AND NONSENCE BOTH RESIDING IN THEIR HEAD OR SPOUTED OUT. So, does this hag in your opinion seeks understanding and compassion? And more important, does she deserve any?
The ones who are to blame are those not seeking to better themselves, man and woman alike. I see far more men going the self-improvement route than women.
I am a woman grown up with three brothers. I could see the difference and never accepted it because I have always thought that, before being male and female, we are persons. Same duties, same rights. That's what I look for and what I expect from society. I don't believe in any right or privilege due to who you are born, who you are born from, the colors you are born with etc. I strongly believe that we have the same general responsibilities and duties, and only after that, we all can claim the same rights. I see as immaturity and superficiality when someone says that they don't have to do "any type of thing" just because, in this case, they are a man or a woman and vice versa. If it is something needed, you do it. If you are reliable, if you are mature, if you are responsible, you take charge of everything. On the other side, you are not entitled to do, to have or to be someone only just according to your gender. Women and men, though, are generally different and have different attitudes, desires and ambitions, that's undeniable, but that doesn't have to become a rule or a paradigma. There are some women that are totally stronger than some men, as there are some men that are much better at taking care of the house than some women. There are women that are excellent professionals and men that are better in simpler situations and so on. We should judge by the result, not by who is the person in terms of professionality and everyone should feel free to choose the path they prefer, the choices they decide to take, without being judged or discriminated or hold back because of their gender. I agree about the craziness of some controversial women, they are very hard to handle and cause o great deal of damages, on the other side I think that men need to find a way to be better, stronger, and mature people for themselves. It might be true that they have been weakened by some women, but it is also true that they should aim to become the best version of themselves, and very often I don't see that. I am glad that a lot of them take Jordan Peterson as a point of reference, He seems a very good example to follow. A man has to be strong, strong in the capacity of taking charge, of being firm in his beliefs, of being reliable, of being an honorable person. So far, very often, we see a lot of spoiled, immature, selfish and weak men that became pray of spoiled, immature and selfish women or the opposite, predators for women. We all need to better ourselves, to become better people, better citizens, and better human beings.
When your woman goes crazy, run, do not engage, or you will end up in jail. If she is not getting to you, she'll make up something, call 911, and off you go. She'll show you who's Boss.
It's not just the women. It's the entire culture. Especially as presented by popular media. The is presently an entire generation of young men who have been told overtly and by examples of exclusion that natural male expression is wrong. Big ups to girls and nothing of a similar form for boys. I was in the laundromat and the TV was on to a cartoon channel. The storyline was of some girls doing something better than boys. The boys decided to challenge the girls to a series of contests, with the predictable results. The girls won. In the end all the boys cheered for the girls and came to the conclusion that in the words of the boys' leader, and I quote: "Let's just all be girls." These kids have no chance if the media has their way.
I remember the 80s, bra burning, song "Sisters are doing it for themselves"-which I proudly sang my heart out to, we worked so hard to be able to be allowed to study, have a great career, become a scientist, engineer, whatever we desired, and we are still fighting for equal pay for doing the same job, sometimes better...for this new generation to say thanks, yeah, but I dont wanna study, if I cant have an income from Instagram or sell my t*ts on myfansonly, I dont care....sigh...makes you wonder why we burned those bras :(
Burning bras seems so environmentally unfriendly now, haha. There's still some work to do to reach full equality in the workplace and at the same time JP's ideas around merit are relevant too - both ideas can sit side by side IMO. Higher learning institutions are still brimming and very few women overall try to sell their bodies or images as their primary incomes - they just get a lot of the oxygen - and that, more than the reality is part of the problem.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But there is one thing I want you to know. The head of every man is the Christ, the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. New Living Translation
I advise (as a 40 year old man) Spend some decent time watching his videos, but balance that with some other thinkers. And don't be afraid not to be manly when you feel like it. It isn't weak to be weak, it's human. Hope that makes sense
Men can improve at being men by meditating, reading more, exercising and lifting weights, playing a sport or learning a martial art and taking responsibility for their actions. Become honest, confident, charismatic, well read, educated, fit and healthy with a level of physical prowess that has been trained and refined. Be disciplined. Then, when you're making progress.. Demand better behaviour from the people around you. Don't let them talk down to you or be disrespectful. Don't give up your investment in your self for a woman. Have boundaries. Have some self respect. Let's be better together.
Exactly! That is what I have always called "The Princess Card"; At any point in time, although claiming equality (whatever that means), most women will take the emotional/crazy stand whenever they are loosing an argument. The only way out of that is to stop, turn away and leave.... and then it depends on how much you care for that person. To me that is a definite "no go" in that acquaintance/relationship. Bless them and let them go....
@@fire5053 Why not? She thinks JP is a role model, and JP say’s women are happiest when they’re dominated and in nurturing roles. Telling her to make her son a sandwich should be a double dose of dopamine bliss.
With due respect… there is in fact a way to control “crazy women”… not sure if there are studies on this though…. Stop entertaining the bs. Period. It’s only the attention and the reaction on part of anyone at the receiving end of such behaviour that drives and adds fuel to the insanity!
Wait. It ended too soon. I wanted to hear more of the conversation. It's funny, when she was saying men and women have never worked side by side it made me think of Claire and Jamie in the Outlander series and how amazingly well they work together as a couple. To me, that's the way it should be with men and women.
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"There's nothing more dangerous than a weak man" JP
What about a psychotic man? They seem to be pretty dangerous
Psychopaths only make up 1% of the population. Psychothic men probably even less. Weak men are general problems these days.
@@No1karez I think because weak men tend to do harm on a broader spectrum whereas psychotic men may be more focused on controlling their immediate surroundings.
@@No1karez Psychotic men are weak. They have very deep level problems.
@@Lechatnoire I feel like there are weak men who are no threat to anyone however these psychopaths in control of nations seem to be the most dangerous of all. It just seems the quote isn't all that precise.
Jordan Peterson has done so much for my mental health as a man 🙏🏽💜 My best time in life was actually in High school when I had no worries at that time, but after that life hit me pretty hard. I'm actually coming up with a resource that helped me become the man I am today. I used to live in Miami being around street violence, guns, death, and I even used to eat $3 a day, 25 cents noodles, expired toast and canned campbell tomato soup. I survived the Boston Marathon Bombing which was a few feet away and I saw all the blood the people screaming and I was alone at 18. I also used to live in a room with no kitchen, trash bag as a window and bugs crawling on me at night. I also took boxing to protect myself and learned how to defend against bigger threats. Now I live in a cabin in the north of Sweden where I go down to a lake to breathe and heal my past and I post on RUclips to help others who need it the most.
Glad you’re doing much better. Good luck brother ✌️.
Well done
@Mehdi Tate Good for you! We all deserve to live a good and productive life. I say everyone is the Master of their own fate, what happens to you and for you is a product of what you put into it. We all have the same opportunities (in America) and some have more due to their situation ( Medicare, welfare, food stamps) that many choose not to rise above. As you explained, you had it bad but YOU changed it !!!!!!! You didn't blame anyone for your situation, that is what makes a real man. GOD BLESS YOU
Congratulations
Velkommen till Sverige 💪💪
One thing NO ONE talks about is.
Women work.
A man losing 50% of his belongings once divorced. Was a rule made when women 100% stayed at home. This rule is now obsolete and put men in a situation where there are some incentives ve in getting married, but major risks. I think this policy needs to be revisited.
My X didn't work, and I encouraged it because I was trying to take care of her and my kids. Unfortunately, I didn't know who she was or what was happening at home when I was out supporting the family.
Narcissistic Abuse became evident, and in the divorce she claims that I wouldn't "let" her work. She lied about the value of community property (all the stuff she didn't want) and got way more than 50%. It was the price of my freedom. I'm happily remarried and healing and prospering and knowing she knows that is worth the price. Getting a fair 50% wasn't worth fighting with a crazy woman.
@jeff Muller, I had a court today where my wife was trying for a personal protection order. She did not provide any substantial evidence of any violence. Whereas i submitted mine in clear details. The protection order was still delivered to her.
The same reasons she gave...i did not allow her to work, controlled her dressings blah blah....same international problem.
Family law court is solidly anachronistic. Men have to fight for 50% custody etc...
Despite women being able to work, you can't deny the biological reality that women have the children therefore have their careers and upward mobility cut in half compared to men. Why should women be financially hurt due to children whereas men walk away with every penny? 50 percent is fair because marital assets should be split evenly regardless.
@@brandiphillips5775 Not just the biological burden, but most women also end up doing most of the work at home in addition to working outside the house.
''Women need to stand up against their crazy sisters'and say: Look enough of that, enough man hating, enough bringing disgrace on usas a gender''
''The woman i know that are sane, are busy doing sane things''
Such real words.
@ Jan Fleischmann
Women who hate men are terrifying. I say that as a woman. They are so mentally disturbed that they will attempt to *destroy anyone* they feel stands in their way. They’re not real women. They are demons in flesh suits. Men and women both need to rise up together and put a stop to this trash.
Very unlikely to happen anytime soon.
More like, men need to stop blaming their problems on women and grow up.
agreed
@@axiomsandthings9213 Actually women do that FAR more than men. Why is it women file 80% of the divorces and yet cheat as much as men? Because they think men are to blame for all of their problems.
I heard this and cried bro. I've been saying this for years.
There are NO options when dealing with a malevolent woman, your only option is to disengage and distance yourself.
yep. that's why i divorced.
That first red flag is enough. Do not go forward. If she's taking out what her father did to you then you've stayed way too long. Men, be very careful whom you choose. They can be the mother of your children or aborted children.
There are no options when dealing with a malevolent person! Full stop! The problem with men engaging with these women is because they look at their body, they want the sex, even if the woman is absolutely controlling and disrespectful towards him! Guys are attracted to the drama at the beginning, then they later want peace! Just like some women that are attracted to a player, then they want loyalty! It is not working like that!
That is what even the Bible recommands...
Dealing with this rn. God help me and the son I have with her...
This lady deserves a lot of credit, great insight, great dialogue and common sense approach to a world that has gone completely mad with nothing but identity politics
This lady is a trans with commonsense only the eyes can't focus on JP he shows more respect in the conversation
The lady is Camille Paglia, she's a titan in her own regard. She's been tackling similar issue as JBP, way back in the 90s.
NO....the ''western'' world has gone effying mad. Not only about ID politics but in all aspects of life. You people have become a Kaposi sarcoma on the surface of planet Earth.
@@ares1647 You call her she and she looks and sounds like a woman. Since she said she was Trans was she a man or does she Identify as a man without the hormones or extreme butcher of private parts? Some of these people are sick and twisted, she sounded intelligent but why do I or the rest of us need to know she wants to be known as Trans. That's what I hate about this whole demon filled infatuation that is fueled by the social media and propped up by the radical left. The same with the fad of wearing your pants 5 sizes too big, hanging off your ass and holding them up with one hand? It's stupid and borderline "indecent exposure"). That fad was started by inmates in prison to let the others know who was willing to take it in the butt and they don't think that's stupid? What about the male shop teacher that was wearing a woman's blouse with triple G fake boobs and nipples hardened in front of teenage children? Babylon has fallen, the end is near, the antichrist is on the rise. Repent and be saved, your soul depends on it.
This " lady" is rational because she's a man.
I absolutely agree... men are at loose ends in a disagreement with a female...there is nothing that will not be seen as male aggression towards women. It is women who have to stand up and tell men...most especially young men..you are not what you are being portrayed to be. You are valued, you are worthy,..society needs you to be men and if you don’t... women, children, and society as a whole will falter. Loved hearing this amazing discourse between two respectful and intelligent people.
So true! Men need more support, especially young ones!!
@Athlethics That is no doubt true to Muslims, but really religions come and go with hundreds of gods to choose from over the centuries. Each religion, of course, claiming to be the real deal. While they have provided faith comfort and belief to many religions have also caused, and continue to, much misery strife and death. Far from being a solution they have proved to be the problem.
Preach it sister! You are correct, 100%! As a young 20 yr old man years ago, I had a gf that had bipolar. She was also abusive physically. She would often say, "It's okay for me to hit you, because you deserve it! You said something stupid. But, it's not okay for you to hit." I don't think it's right for anyone to be physically abusive at all.
@@todddudas9715 I had similar experience. My gf would initiate physical violence and if ever I retaliated in defence when she was hitting she would say that I should not hit her because I am bigger than her. What kind of warped logic is that. She basically wanted me to accept being her punchbag.
@@VAPIDISM Religion YES, Believing and living for the one TRUE GOD, CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE AND EVERY THING IN IT IS A DIFFERENT STORY. You should try it sometime, GOD blesses those that worship HIM and live their lives for HIM and NOT THE WORLD. God Bless You.
Camille Paglia is great. This was one of Jordan’s best interviews.
Stick to gambling "Doc"
I once was involved with an Asian woman who would make it a point - each and every time - to greet me with cheer and warmth, and good words. Even though there were times when she didn't feel that way, she did it anyway. For five minutes or so it would be positive dialogue - initiated by her. Now this sounds simple and not much to it, but it actually was quite profound. Where she learned to do this, and how, I have no idea other than it came from her cultural background.
Good attitude even for a man
My ex punched me behind the head the day I left her. She knew I wasn’t gonna hit her back because she knew she had the law on her side. In the divorce she told the judge I hit her. She said a list of crazy shit and asked for half. THE PROBLEM IS THE LAW. AND THE LAW IS PROTECTING THEM.
The law is protecting them and it should in the case of REAL abusers. In your case sounds like SHE is the ABUSER.
Let it go.. move on.. crazy women aren't worthy to be with. Conserve your energy for someone that respect you or be alone until you find one.
The law is technically on your side. You are absolutely allowed to hit back and if she strikes you, then you can call the cops and get her arrested.
The problem is, when in doubt, they will arrest you, and it's guilty until proven innocent. Good luck, when SHE'S the only witness.
So, on paper, the law is fair, in reality, it's not even close.
Wait until you find out our taxes are the thing funding the government to act this way. We are literally paying to be treated like dog shit by woman and the government. And people actually wonder why men have checked out of society. Maybe if they keep shaming us it will fix the problem. Let's sit back and find out the hard way I guess.
I wish I had a platform as a woman to do exactly what he said! So sad that people rather listen to the actors and socialites who do not live in the reality the majority of us live!
The difference is you are so far in the middle of the river of everyday society that to listen to you would be detrimental for everybody. People listen to those who freely move in and outside the box
Start talking. Start making connections with like-minded people and start a youtube channel. If you reach one person then you'd be making a valuable contribution. Who's to say you wouldn't be amazing?
@@ThepurposeofTime I like your framing of that. Free thinkers can move in and out because to them the box isn't relevant. It's a societal constraint that needs you to participate and acknowledge the existence of the box for it to matter.
You have the power to build your own platform. TikTok is such a great opportunity for example
Jordan Peterson is a weak man himself.....
First mistake trying 'to control' another person.
Control yourself
I can't.
dude what do you do when someone approaches you with a knife? Meditate?
YES!!!! I stand up for my brother, son and husband because they do not deserve to be bashed. They are good men and there are many, many good men in life. They are trying to be supportive of women but in this current atmosphere cannot win. I am actually embarrassed by these women. This is such a necessary conversation to have and continue to have until it is heard. They are going to wake up someday and realize they have lost their lives in misery.
Men have not dealt with you or someone close to yet 🤣🤣🤣. There are good women too; good loyal wives. What do they get for being good? Men have a way of cheating the good women and rewarding the bad ones so women stopped being good. Everybody wants to enjoy and be rewarded instead while the wife does all the hard part. Maybe when you see a man deal with a good faithful woman that has endured with him from the days of humble beginnings you'll also conclude that they're bad investment and women should not waste their time and love on them.
They all look good at the beginning till they make a fool out of you on the long run. Do you think your goodness and devotedness will guarantee anything 🤣🤣? I just concluded that they're not worth sacrificing anything for. We are tired of being the fools. And being the one that fools everybody is not a position anyone benefitting will give up without a fight and that's why men are kicking against everything and getting "smart wise" women to agree with them.
Lol indeed it's a completion thang!
As following the sage path, currently into the midst of it with a whole community trying to get indirectly involve to back it up.
@@tempsoda because these what men are doing and have done for years! They spplited the women in good and in whores! But they would want both, get involved with both and make sure the woman keep fighting eachother! There are wives that turn a blind eye to the man cheating and take it out on the woman, like he has no saying in that! That is what men did and that’s why they are si angry now that women choose to have jobs and can leave from a humiliating situations like that…they trash every woman that works, tat is decent and put them all in the same category…to make sure women stop growing and go back to 100% dependability on men! They preffer this then starting to work on themselves…and actually be men deserving of a loving household and partner!
Do you also stand by women? Were your brother, son and husband beaten, attacked, ridiculed for dressing in a certain way? Were they passed on for promotions, because they refuse to flirt or sleep with their boss? Or simply for being men? Where exactly do they need to be protected - since they jace every opportunity and open door in the world, without being ridiculed for trying, or being judged for every decision! So what exactly are you standing up for?
"After a bitter quarrel, some resentment must remain.
What can one do about it?
Therefore the sage keeps his half of the bargain
But does not exact his due.
A man of Virtue performs his part,
But a man without Virtue requires others to fulfil their obligations.
The Nature of reality is impartial.
It stays with good men all the time."
I understand you are not asking to me but what you said sometimes can be reversed and be the opposite scenario..
Crazy belong to the material world as they barely express with inner sincerity, therefore not knowing thyself. Not looking for understandings to arrive at a certain truth about whatever situation neither yourself. Those things can be sensed out of the most devoted and sensitive beings by understandings of visceral truth anybody have to carry on and resolve. Also the context matters a lot as it can be true in 1 context but unfortunately false into another.
Forcing matter through a logical understandings has barely no meaning here - Women are generally closer to themselves than men. Losing that biological aspect on whole scale, it's probable women & men dynamics break loose.
3:56 "The techniques that I would use against a man who is employing those tactics are forbidden to me."
Does that mean Peterson physically beats up men on a regular basis? I can´t imagine him holding back against women when it comes to "just" debating.
No one should want to CONTROL anyone.
That is something I very much agree with. The only person we should ever try to control is ourselves. People that attempt to control others usually have low self esteem and feel out of control, so they project that onto others by being controlling and it never ends well.
Incorrect. Men indeed must very well control your livelihood, in order for there to be order....
@@cheezedoodlenygguh6229 How would you control Putin?
@@helenalang7489 I don't care about Putin.
@@helenalang7489 Zelensky gone have his own people merk him lol
Their is a different between bullies and healthy masculinity
Men can improve at being men by meditating, reading more, exercising and lifting weights, playing a sport or learning a martial art and taking responsibility for their actions. Become honest, confident, charismatic, well read, educated, fit and healthy with a level of physical prowess that has been trained and refined. Be disciplined. Then, when you're making progress.. Demand better behaviour from the people around you. Don't let them talk down to you or be disrespectful, don't give up your investment in your self for a woman. Have boundaries. Have some self respect. Be men.
I agree with you at some points. Just respect yourself and stand up for yourself…Most men these days are just weak Beta males…They’re giving bad name to guys like us…Be dominant, leader and stop being a submissive simp and chase women….No wonder women don’t respect men these days….Have a nice day.
Stay away from people who disrespect you. It's easy to spot. I never allow it. And I never allow people to tell me what to think or say.
It's easier to get attracted to men that are busy with self-improvement (physically, spiritually, financially...) that they don't have time to notice you and men that don't feel like their worth is tied to a woman saying yes. But unfortunately many men will rather focus on chasing women or getting things that will attract women. It's all about women, can't men just live their lives and allow the right girl come along. My boyfriend did that, I got attracted and surprised at him because many guys his age are busy chasing women. And I literally moved into his life like "hey I like you, I'm not bad physically so the likelihood of getting no was very low, I got a yes" . Other guys that literally chased me? I wasn't interested in them at all because they weren't fascinating, their heads was just full of women, sex and getting money illegally to flaunt in ladies faces.
On getting to know my boyfriend better he treats women with a lot of respect too, who won't be attracted to that and want to camp with him for life? He didn't need to learn smooth talking or funny pickup lines to attract fine ladies. Before I met him I had concluded that the male gender was crap and not worth marrying/ wasting time on but I met him and my mind totally changed about the male gender. On beauty, he's not blessed with natural facial beauty, that's out of his control but the things within his control? He has mastered them.
That's why I keep telling guys it's not about beauty, it's not about money or learning deception and smooth talking. Many of the girls you'll get with those things don't last and they'll end up heaping curses on you and your unborn generation when they realize the deception and facade you built to draw them in. If y'all just looked away from women for a moment and focused on yourselves you'd find women coming to you. I've had to act very jealously over my boyfriend to ward other women wanting to camp with him too😂😂. He's not as pretty or rich as many guys yet he has options he says no to and many of those girls are pretty. My advice for men is to never chase women, let her come then you can put in effort to make her stay. If she loves you she will also put in effort and it will be mutual. Never envy the smooth talking guys that deceive and "get girls" that's the recipe for disaster, it's like giving trouble and insanity an invitation to your life. Many of the girls you'd get through such ways will smash your heart with a sledge hammer. But oh well 🤷♀️men never get it, they'll still blame rejection on not being cute or rich enough.
Open doors for women and elders. Watch out for those around you. Men are supposed to be protectors, but they go around with tunnel vision, or focused on their devices, decidedly UNmasculine.
@@genxx2724 if women want chivalrous men they should stop acting like entitled brats
This is prolific. There are a lot of women who secretly like their daughters being bullies. They think they will not get hurt that way. God help us all. Society is breaking down.
Which is quite funny in a way, since that is literally the biggest threat against not just those women, but every single woman in a western society.
Men are the ones keeping society functioning and safe, and women simply can not substitute men in this regard even remotely.
So, by attacking men they are indirectly attacking the foundation of western society and safety. Already now the cracks can be seen in the deterioration of the militaries, the police force and maybe even in the willingness of men to aid women in general.
This is what women pushed for.
It will just result in more hate towards women. Many men have had enough.
They only bully weak men. Real men ARE the bullies of vvomen.
Not just secretly like - I've realized how often women actually train their daughters to be a bully from a young age.
The Handmaid's Tale Society is the panacea for men's mental health and wellness.
Totally agree! She is the voice of reason & wisdom. Refreshing to hear we all need strong good men!
This was fantastic. Every women should have to hear this. I forget this women's name but she has been fighting for men's rights longer than me. I have a great deal of respect for her.
Camille Paglia
She has written fabulous books.
@@Artepus5569 If Peterson can't control a toy car, then why are you "thankful" not all women are under his control? You sound like a hateful logically bankrupt person, or what society like to call feminists. They were talking about "crazy women", but I get it, hard to see the forest from the trees huh?
@@Artepus5569 What is? You haven't made a point you just contradicted yourself and started throwing pejoratives around.
I do too I first heard about her years ago on Dennis Prager Show she's very smart and knows what she's talking about. And I love it that she's a woman and a lesbian I'm a gay man and this whole gay marriage thing that started that's why we are where we're at right now this whole thing is falling apart. Trust me gay men are exactly the same way as they were 20 30 years ago nothing has changed. This whole thing is exacerbated by the leftist liberal highly educated White crowd😱 once you let the genie out of the bottle that's what's going on right now now we have to be concerned about transgendered and who's going to bed with who and next you're going to have transvestites going to work and full drag and they'll pass a law saying that they can💅💄👎 what do I care if you dressed in drag it's your business but one shouldn't have to shove it down everybody's throat
Crazy women create nothing but misery around them. The best recourse is to simply get them out of your life. When you encounter one in public, do your best to ignore her and remove yourself from the situation as quickly as possible. To have a happy life you must steer clear of nut jobs as much as possible. If it can't be avoided and a crazy woman attacks you physically, then fight back as you would another man. That's my take anyway.
The Tactical Guide to Women is an excellent book for men. Relationahip thirst puts men in distinct disadvantage with women. Unless you are willing to walk away from disrespect and ungrateful women, you will be miserable staying with insane woman.
I don't think it's necessary to fight back that hard against most feminists, but maybe that's just me. The same types that fall for self-centered dogma don't have the mental discipline to work out / build any muscle. I can't prove the correlation, but I also feel like feminists have terrible street-smarts in a fight from a lack of being grounded in reality. Dangerous in large groups ofc.
Ignoring them if at all possible is the only way. Women hate to be ignored. Them will be forced to face their shadow self and either change or it will be their demise. It will drive them mad. Enablers are the worst. Not giving them their way is the best course of action.
Same for crazy men
Get crazy men out too
She is wrong about men and women never working side by side. My grandmother and grandfather and their six children all picked cotton when it came in. They helped plant, they picked vegetables, they raised pigs and chickens, they worked as a family. They owned a 350 acre farm, and they all worked together.
She did say that men and women work together in family
She did say that the exceptions were the farms!
She is referring to modern times. Not cotton picking old days
I’m a woman and i don’t see that men and women r not working side by side now
We are. The issue I see is the inability of both sides to see what each equally bring and there is that tension and competition
Men resort to alienating women because they r an “unknown” entity and women resort to emotional methods particularly those that reinforce men’s beliefs that women r emotionally weak. When we r not
But at the end of the day what is measurable is agree outcome which is the product of competence regardless of method and definitely regardless of gender
And a mutual recognition of this ultimate goal
Utopian this may seem the current race to beat each other down is producing the worst possible outcomes for everyone so now it’s time to rethink the paradigm all Women r not weak. All Men r not strong. Both r equally weak and strong
@@microfarming8583
“Modern times”
You don’t wear T-shirts and blue jeans?
Those are still the most common apparel for the entire United States. And it took cotton farmers to harvest the cotton for them.
The best and most expensive clothing comes from 100% natural materials. People will pay MORE for pure cotton, than something that’s 60% petroleum based plastics. People in “modern times” may not be aware of where their clothes comes from, but farming also occurs in modern times even if the bourgeoisie don’t understand that. (The origin of the word bourgeoisie means city dwellers.)
I am a broken man. I struggle with insecurity. I love my wife but I often fail in the areas many weak men do. I've done a lot of good for her but I've hurt her many times because of my own baggage. I'm trying to be better but while I'm trying to be better life goes on and I dont always respond to her appropriately. We love each other and its hard work. Throw in the fact that as her full time disability carer life presents no breathing room to grow and avoid high pressure situations that wear us down and bring out our weaknesses. Life can be relentless and leave us in less than ideal situations to heal and be better. I feel I create as many problems as I'm trying to fix while going forward. I need Gods grace and help to come out in the end with a wife who knows I love her AND gets treated right by me when I'm run down from the burden of caring. I want my wife to have a man who loves her the way she deserves: tirelessly and supportively when she is not at her best. But no I end up feeling defensive because I lack intrinsic self esteem and crave respect so much that I feel disrespected in exchanges where the disagreements have nothing to do with whether she respects me or not. I am desperately trying to create habits that help me find space to rationalise and process arguments where she pushes my buttons and not to "react" immaturely because we both really are just broken people who want the best for the other deep down.
Don't be too hard on yourself. of course I don't know the extent of what you have described here and as they say the 'Devil is with in the detail'. But assuming its all fairly typical stuff, then its apparent you both have found yourselves in a circumstance neither of you could have expected, or foreseen, even if your wife had this disability prior to your marriage. I went through a similar experience, though I was caring for my elderly mum, not my lover, not my partner, so that makes our circumstance quite different. But all the same I can relate to the frustrations you have described. Another difference is that my mum was always so grateful to me for putting my life on hold to care for her, which ironically added to a sense of guilt inside me. But I never had to deal with the complexities of those frustrations your partner is going through being subject to this humiliating position of having the person she married and loves caring for her in ways that must make her feel like an infant at times. that must be so difficult for her. But that doesn't take away the frustrations you are going through (I've found myself using that word a lot to describe the feelings I assume you both are going through). All I can say is, don't beat yourself up for feeling negative thoughts regarding caring for your wife, as that is only human. I dont know if you seek out counselling from a therapist or psychologist but that may be very helpful having someone who is trained in understanding what others are going through comment and help guide you on the road ahead. I'll just finish in saying that even before my mother passed away a couple of years back now, even before that my love and appreciation for her grew beyond the normal love one feels for ones mother. The experience of this deep sense of love I was able to experience through caring for her was like no other love I have personally experienced. Having the opportunity to truely care for someone is life changing, and what else is there to experience in this life than that of true love for someone. beats hang gliding or rock climbing , mountaineering or snow boarding hands down.
You're too hard on yourself. Your core motivation is s beautiful - your wife is lucky to have such a level of commitment to your "us". No marriage is without struggles but those who survive are the ones who have partners like yourself who are aware, develop insights and have a solution driven attitude. But please don't knock yourself trying to be perfect. Love is two imperfect people loving each other perfectly.
you sound like you have a controlling witchy women around you...she probably holds all the strings to what's really important for you...hard life ahead
Ok so there's this rule of human behavior. If you're the sole caretaker of any human then you must take a few hours totally away from them once a week or you absolutely will be abusive. Take the break. Get someone to sit with your charge. I've seen too many beat themselves up for being abusive to a parent, baby or spouce because they refuse their own need for self care and to be autonomous. Heed my advice. You'll see your tolerance increase and your frustrations decrease even as it becomes more challenging. You can do it. I know you want to be the best for your loved ones.
Hi Neil, it must be very hard. One small actionable thing is to take a moment with your wife every so often if not every day and get away from the minutia of it all. Positively affirm your big picture view of each other, remember why you fell in love with each other, review your happy memories together, the hopes and dreams you had together, the crises you overcame and any other positive aspects of your marriage.
"never in all of human history have men and women been working side by side" this woman should get a job. I do this every day.
I believe she means in the past.
@@simonbee8875 The distant past, maybe. But what even is her point?
It’s so satisfying listening to this intellectual discourse. If only more people could be as succinct with their views and perspectives.
what was intellectual here?
As a woman I stand up for men where ever I can, I just don't feel that I reach many people, just my daughters and the women I happen to speak with if it comes up, have an older woman friend that always asks to have my 2 youngest boys come help around her house, but I have had to tell her more than once not to refer to anything about my son's as toxic because they are male, she tries to respect it but she is heavily programmed to fully believe that all males by virtue of being male are inherently toxic, and all I can do is disagree and ask that she respect my sons when they are there to help her, while showing them that we don't treat people the way we think they might deserve but we treat them the way we would want to be treated, but seriously it is definitely time to stand up for our boys and men, 🙏💜
I like this conversation. It’s one more proof to a pessimist that humans are (also) sane, brilliant, calmingly pleasant to behold - like mountains and water, let’s say.
I feel energized and hopeful.
Both my grand parents had farms 80 years ago. Both my grand mothers and grandfathers struggled in the fields together but my grandmothers would prepare meals and organise and love the children and grandchildren when we worked on the farm. Preparing meals was not a bad thing and not as physically demanding as dealing with livestock or carrying a bushel of peaches and hand washing clothes was not fun. Both the male and the female jobs sucked, but the ones that required a little more physical strength were done by men. Gender roles evolved out of necessity. Women have less testosterone and recover from physical stresses slower. Even as an elite athlete I was exhausted at the end of the day after working on the farm and every muscle ached when I rolled out of bed the next day to work in the fields and this was even when my loving grandmother coddled me. My uncle was only a few years older and worked way harder than me and jumped out of bed to do it again.
I was fortunate enough to be able to be the maternal caregiver to my young children and it was the best few years of my life. The grass is always greener in your neighbours lawn until you see it up close and realise it 's the same colour as yours.
Normal person: who's the guy speaking?
Humans today : that's extremely offensive.
Smart Experienced Men. Don't put up with craziness. In any form or manner. He walks the walk. And don't just talk the talk. On the Flip side. Good Woman keeps her man grounded, and Great women keep the World grounded. Life should be about Compromise and not Control. He's exactly right you can't change crazy people. Indeed!! ❤️🙏💯
A good woman can keep her man grounded when he allows her to.
@@mayrakrp okie dokie 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👌✌️✌️
He was right in that you can't control someone who cannot be reasoned with. But we can always leave - albeit with more difficulty if you've had children with this person.
I've been in relationships with some very abusive women. Strangely, I never had an issue in dealing with male conflict. But I obviously didn't apply the same standards when it came to women. Once I realised that it was ME who had the problem and wasn't setting my boundaries correctly, I had no problem walking away from toxic people.
That said, I may have over-corrected 🤣
And yes, he's so very right about the underlying (however deep) violence in male - male arguments. If people don't respect the fact that you can hold yourself in check, then they aren't worth spending time with.
I'd say you never had any issue dealing with male confloct cause both parties knew, subconsciously, that the other has two sets of 5 fingers of reason available at the flick of the wrist, but neither of you wanted to use them first.
We men also get through conflict differently; unless it's a really bad offense; we generally forgive the other party; and only throw punches when push comes to shove.
Unless you are gay then the whole RELATIONSHIP between men and women are structurually different. MOST relationships you can EASILY walk away from if they become toxic. If a guy is an a hole, its not about fighting or not fighting, you just don't hang around them. If you are in scenarios where the relationship is about whether to resort to violence, thats messed up from day one.
Women are usually different. They are usually a progresison of relationshiips, in part sexual. The ones that aren't, again, you walk away from. Labour relations are somethign else entirely, and get a union or a human resources rep if you need that.
A MAN being abused bya woman is usually FAR easier to get away from than vice versa. Sometimes not, but evne in those cases its rarely the case that you are afraid for your life.
"Arguments" are things you have when you don't know how to do conflict resolution, they are the first failing BEFORE the final blowout that often results in violence or at least verbal carnage.
Agreed 👍🏼
I'm in the situation you are describing in the first paragraph and have two children that will have to see their parents one at the time in the future. That's one of the last things I ever wished upon my two small children and it's a very hard situation to be in. Hopefully the kids will have two happy parents seperated from each other instead of two unhappy parents being together.
No such thing as an overcorrection in this regard. Walk away from any and every woman the _second_ she crosses the line. Sacrifice your boundaries and self-respect for nobody. Always be able to walk away from _anything_ in 10 seconds if need be.
Problem is he did not say someone..he centered out women as such and cannot be controlled..what about crazy men?.....JP is pure drivel for the weak minded
What a unbelievably insightful analysis. JP is the best.
100% true. Got a crazy woman. Just leave. You can’t make them see the light
Camille Paglia is a treasure too. Truly smart, outspoken women are attractive too. I recommend her work highly.
"Men can't control crazy women," one-million-dollar advice right there, literally, it may save you a total of a million dollars throughout your lifetime if you learn this early.
If you meet a crazy woman, just leave.. it isn't worthed to stick around.. too costly.
JP is so on the money about how men have conflict.
I had a partner whom I had a baby to quite young, unfortunately we didn’t see eye to eye on quite a lot of things and there was a lot of conflict. I could see traits between how her mother treated her father and there were a number of red flags.
Her father came around and had a chat to me, his words were “Happy wife, Happy life”
That comment is a complete representation of the repression some women place among men.
The women that believe in that statement are the driving force on why we are having this conversation today.
Well said! That phrase is repulsive and I resent it. It upsets the balance in marriage where each person needs to have equal power. I believed that stupid phrase for so long being married to an abusive woman and I bent over backwards trying to gain her approval.
I'm guessing he was a servant to his wife
How about, "Sane happy wife, sane happy life."
@@kenseisato1989 You mean of course that he was a doormat for the harpie with whom he co-habitated.
@Grace C "How about happy man, happy land"?
It wasn't capitalism that forced woman out of the home.
The united states fiscal policy has caused all of this. We have a very centralized monetary system. The U.S. over the past 100 years has tried to stop the boom bust cycles to economies by controlling the currency. However this created inflation that grew over time.
As the inflation grew one person couldn't provide a steady income. So the mother was forced to work.
One could think that feminism was created by the government to maintain our current system and to push woman to go into the workforce. So the system wouldn't collaspe.
Good argument!
I believe the same happened in USSR and China, women were forced to work by governments
Two sane and intelligent people 🙏
Thank God!
A very good discussion. Although men and women have always worked side by side to keep their family safe and fed. Their lives were very physical and they had to make a good team to survive. And another thing not everyone wants or should have children. And that is a choice that we are fortunate to have today. I prefer to stay at home and raise my family and take care of my family. But for the first 15 years of my adult life I worked in a family business and enjoyed that very much and was very successful. So I do not want to tell other women what to do.
There are way too many people nowadays who want to tell everybody else what to do. I say MYOB and live and let live.
As a Norwegian I enjoyed hearing the word quisling used casually👌
Both men and women rely on the other group to promote healthy messages and respectful behavior and dissuade their own from overstepping. What is fascinating is that we have a common problem: dealing with the unruly other leaves us with no next steps.
It is worth noting that the inability to stand up to unruly men is a key reason women are pressing men to be less dominant, aggressive and disagreeable. I think that women lack the ability to solve disagreements by force or physical confrontation, which, as Petersen notes, is the primary tool he would use to dissuade an unreasonable man. What women don't hear a lot about is that our own tool set - verbal assault, reputation destruction, screaming, gossiping, allying against a target - can also be misapplied, with harmful consequences, and that men are also not equipped to deal with our tools. I am glad Petersen shared this because men's struggle with women is the less obvious of the two juxtapositions and it is both valid and tragic.
We women ask men to police their brothers and keep their behavior in check, we should also be mindful of how we behave and discourage our sisters from abusing men, especially verbally.
A very important conversation as far as I am concerned. Not an easy one to have by any stretch of the imagination. Our children need to be loved equally, they need to be equally supported and encouraged. Regardless of gender, each child needs to be heard and supported to become the best version of themselves - boys should never, ever be left behind the curve. Kindness is the common love language for all.
Where's my sandwich bih?
5:22 😂😂😂
"This great dibi dibi dibi"
She malfunctioned for a second.
I like the dialog and I agree with the ideas from both sides, I’ve seen many women mistreating their husbands, and many men talking badly about their women, some being physically violent towards their wives too. The issue of aggression between genders is very complicated. What I find not pleasant to hear is the label of “crazy” from a professional psychologist. This sounds very strange and harsh as for a person who works as a clinical psychologist. Looks like a stigma on women who weren’t choosing to have a harsh relationship with men in their past, yet being called crazy because they have mental illness by a professional who supposedly should make them feel safe before they can recognise that the problem is with them.
Imo.
Jordan is correct. Us same women aren't going to go out and argue with unreasonable feminists in public. What we can do, is not raise our girls to be like that and our boys not to marry that.
I really doubt JP has ever been in a physical confrontation
Too smart to let it get that far probably
Camille Paglia, one of my heroes. Heard her speak twice.
I agree, reasonable women have a role to play in calling the "crazy" women out, and encouraging normal, healthy (or at least not disfunctional) men to stand up for themselves. At the societal level, reasonable men and women will figure this out eventually, and we will put the crazies of both sexes back in their place.
It can be difficult calling out the crazy woman if she is your boss, or senior to you in any way in the workplace... as a fellow woman she will immediately see you as the enemy and do everything she can to ruin your career, ruin your life, ruin your mental health -- she will have one mission and one mission only and that is to destroy you!
I seemed to naively believed that using force against anyone was solely for physical defense not because that person was rude or "crazy".
I'm truly so confused of this conversation. Maybe it's because I did not listen to the root of this conversation or the beginnings of it but alas let me share my thoughts. 1st point: I graduated HS in 2017, and I did not ever hear any "anti-male" propaganda in any of my classes. If anything, a lot of my classes were dominated by young men in the case for GPAs and in the case for discourse and class discussion. That usually pushed away any possible anti male rhetoric. Furthermore, in all of my classes men were the heroes of novels, scientific discoveries, historical facts, and so forth. Never once did I, and my friends and male peers to whom I often spoke to, felt like we were being forced to read and listen to anti male rhetoric/propaganda. The most obvious cases where men were badly spoken about were recent events where men committed crimes, said foolish things to the press, and so forth. I'm unsure if what Jordan Peterson, and the like, are referencing is a very recent anti male crisis in our public schools. 2) When Peterson said that men are forbidden to handle a situation with a woman by fighting, I believe that is a good thing, and I would like to think he also believes that as well. I understand he is making conjecture that there are no ways past dialogue that men can handle a situation with women. However, I believe that is a good thing. Men should not be able to fight it out with a woman who is wrong to prove them right or put them in their place. I hope I do not have to explain to anyone who reads this WHY I believe that. I also do believe that men, all of us as a whole, should pursue the ability to dialogue and reason with crazy people, whether they are men or women, and not have to fight. Society has moved further away from physical altercations as a means for righteousness, which I believe is good. So please can anyone explain what I am not understanding from this video and their conversation? Because, to me, they seemed to have been arguing nonsense.
That's because they ARE arguing nonsense. You're one of the few intelligent, non-delusional people in this comment section. That's why you are confused. Let me explain: This is an example of conservative media stoking fear and paranoia. They do it so well.
The only defence against a crazy woman is to not be threatened or afraid and be steadfast in meekness. Not weakness.
Meekness like Jesus.
You’re absolutely right.
My experience, throughout my life, and I may be an exception, is that males were mostly good, not causing drama, being relatively reasonable. Or maybe it's because it was easy for me to understand them, because females seemed batshit crazy to me. Backstabbing, gossiping, reputation destruction, hypocrisy, I never could associate with them (when I was young. it's not the same now. women my age are as reasonable as men). I would rather see men settle their dispute at the bicycle rack, at least that's honest and fair. So all of my life, I felt I was a bro, I associated with men. But that didn't serve me so much because being part of the gang meant I wasn't really female. I'm not even sure what it means to be female, it bears some sort of shame that I carried from my upbringing (or downbringing. that's a joke).
My wife is just like you. Hates overly emotive crap. She always gets along with men better than women.
Don't worry about the gossips. That's not what being female is. Honestly, having babies is the female super power. Men have died over and over to protect our women. We are expendable and good, strong men understand and accept that. That's why strong men will run head first into certain death, knowingly, if it will protect someone that needs it.
But every great man, had a great woman beside him. Helping him when he was vulnerable and understanding him. We are nothing without each other. I
Women are definitely more violent! That is why our prison’s are mostly full of women…oh, wait.
you, Lady, do you have brothers?
Personal experiences are almost ALWAYS the exception. Get into a room of guys and listen to the gossiping, its pretty much the same. Backstabbing, well, almost every woman can tell you about the fact that the best friends of lots of their boyfriends were constantly hitting on them and would sleep with them in half a second despite their best friend. Thats pretty much 'backstabbing'.
For 'drama', how a woman experiences male drama or how a male experiences female drama will be VERY different, in fact likely the opposite. Most guys have ZERO idea what the women are saying or any of the drama. And SO many times I'll hear this about women, but then the men will say "fortunately its not the women I know". Meaning that its mostly hearsay.
Almost NOTHING of what the media passes off as gender identity components ever turn out to be true. Women don't cry more in public, they aren't together talking about makeup and shoes and shopping non stop, and men aren't burping and farting and talking about sports all the time.
"Drama" will be completley relative. What you say is right because of course where the drama is, is when we are young and basically finding out identity and selecting mates. Its chaos in the human world just like its chaos in the animal world.
Yes seems like you may have some bias, I don't want to judge but maybe you could use some therapy.
What he's saying here is indisputably true. I'd only add that young men need to learn that SARCASM is an extremely effective way of dealing with crazy women. A well delivered sarcastic/sardonic line can go a long way to controlling an otherwise potentially volatile situation.
That sounds gay.
you and all other crazy JP fans speak of women like they are some other species of animals, cryptic and unbeknownst to human beings. It is you, who are pathologically unable to have relations, not only with women, but with other people in general.
Look at yourself, sharing ‘techniques’ of speaking to ‘crazy’ women (whoever the hell that is), pretending that you have to defend yourself from insanity, whereas it is you who have gone mad and miserable.
@@genxx2724 Being sarcastic sounds gay?
@@paimei7143 huh? You seem to either lack the intellect to understand what I'm saying, or are somehow triggered by the notion that crazy women exist. "Pathologically unable to have relations?" LOLOLOLOL
@@paimei7143 PS - I also understand women now much better than I did when I was younger, and as a result, do much better with them. I wish in my younger days I'd had a JP to break things down so brilliantly. He does not posit that women are some other "species of animal," but rather, a different gender with biological differences, mentally and physically. If you deny this is true, then there's not much I could say to convince you of anything on this subject.
Right!! Fellow sane women. STAND UP for your good values. Dare to admonish, correct and direct our crazy sisters to become coherent creatures again.
In any situation, where someone has the power to ‘right a wrong’ and says or does nothing, it almost equates to compromising with a lie.
If your goal in your relationship is to "control" your spouse, you shouldn't be in a relationship. Period. There already is a power-imbalance in a relationship - the man can physically dominate the woman through force of violence. If emotionally bludgeoning your spouse makes you 'feel better', you'll be a very lonely person in short-order.
Absolutely correct…in 2008 and 2019, I walked away from two professional positions because of crazy WOKE women…and at the time, everyone wanted me to fight back. If they were men, then I would have fought back legally.. I was in a “lose-lose” situation with crazy women and it was easier to simply make a lateral move…until more crazy WOKE women where hired in the second organization LOLO.
In fact, after about 1-2 years, they managed to push all logical, balanced, family men out…and that’s when both organizations crumbled in reputation and functionality.
In fact back in 2009, one organization (where I once worked- a circuit court) was National News because of its failures and inability to function properly. I’m glad I made the lateral move 1.5 years before it imploded.
Now I’m wondering if this university position will pander to WOKE, crazy women (professors) and demonize logical, balanced family men…it is a enduring time for normal fathers, husbands, and normal men. However if it does not kill us, then it will make us stronger. Society needs men who can endure…even though others don’t want to acknowledge it.
I did the same thing Ron. I was way to close to slapping a female board member across the mouth after she told me to "put my big boy pants on"! WTF.
VERY GOOD, TRUTH SPOKEN, YAYYY! A woman here speaking. Very well communicated
You have to give major credit to that woman. Her take on the past and present is great, yet horrifying.
That woman??? My god, but you children need to get caught up.
Camille Paglia: has been fighting the good fight for decades- one of the most superior minds out there... with JP.
This helps explain a 2015 study by the American Sociological Association which found that 90% of divorces in which the woman is college educated are initiated by the woman. Like the clip said, they are an unhappy lot.
Love this kind of conversation. There is such a balanced ideas. You can tell there is no toxic ideas. We absolutely need to take some concepts from our grandparents to go back to being a healthy society again
Could you provide with a link to the full version of the video? Thanks
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Women always protect each other particularly if they have a platform.
Why would you want to control a woman?
When you appreciate the company you keep and allow things to flow naturally and allow people to be just as they are ,things workout really well,and people still end up learning from eachother.
I am huge Jordan Peterson FAN.😊
As with all things, balance is key. In many countries and even in the US not long ago, women were treated as second-rate citizens. A woman couldn't even get a credit card without her husband's "approval". It was considered correct for a man to 'put his woman in place' even if that meant beating her. In response to that, women rose up. There are many good men in this world. My husband, son, coworkers, friends -- they are masculine, kind and secure in their own ways and understand they lens the are under. They have turned it around and have shown that GREAT men exist through transformation - not subjugation.
Jordan is right. He’s on point.
I use to be what I think was what a lady should be until I met all these guys treating me like trash. Now I am learning to love myself and working on the things that I need to and I don't know if I'll ever meet a real man.
When you are ready, what you are looking for appears.
Jordan is saying here in academic terms, what Bill Burr has been saying in comedic terms.
Would love to see an interview if both.
Women don’t understand that bringing men down brings them down
Camile is such an important scholar. It’s great to see two scholars discussing this issue.
Traumatized men created fierce traumatized women who create another generation of traumatized men, so who to blame? Just give the traumatized women (any person) what they seek - compassion and understanding, not another words of how they are broken and crazy
Its is not a male or female thing Nat. It is a "people" thing. People really suck today. Folks, especially the youth (I am in my 50's) are just plain awful to each other today. It is really sad to see and why I spend a great deal of my time now retired alone, at home and with just other older veterans. You can only break a circle of hatred, abuse and resentment with persistent patient love and acceptance. I was given up at near birth and grew up in the "house of horrors" state care system and if I can figure this out anyone can.
do broken people look for compassion and understanding tho? I watched that one video on Courtney Ryan's channel yesterday about that one girl who publically stated, that her way of living is to get intimate with the guy, cheat on him, then dump him without letting him know, repeat. Because "she wants the THRILL" and "well is it that bad if they never find out?". And that was physically painful to watch, because you know, what if a man chopped her head off and buried her somewhere in the forest? If nobody knew, by her estimation, it would be completely fine, you know, but that thought NEVER CROSSES HER BLANK MIND, BECAUSE WOMEN ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HERESY AND NONSENCE BOTH RESIDING IN THEIR HEAD OR SPOUTED OUT. So, does this hag in your opinion seeks understanding and compassion? And more important, does she deserve any?
The ones who are to blame are those not seeking to better themselves, man and woman alike. I see far more men going the self-improvement route than women.
I am a woman grown up with three brothers. I could see the difference and never accepted it because I have always thought that, before being male and female, we are persons. Same duties, same rights. That's what I look for and what I expect from society. I don't believe in any right or privilege due to who you are born, who you are born from, the colors you are born with etc. I strongly believe that we have the same general responsibilities and duties, and only after that, we all can claim the same rights. I see as immaturity and superficiality when someone says that they don't have to do "any type of thing" just because, in this case, they are a man or a woman and vice versa. If it is something needed, you do it. If you are reliable, if you are mature, if you are responsible, you take charge of everything. On the other side, you are not entitled to do, to have or to be someone only just according to your gender. Women and men, though, are generally different and have different attitudes, desires and ambitions, that's undeniable, but that doesn't have to become a rule or a paradigma. There are some women that are totally stronger than some men, as there are some men that are much better at taking care of the house than some women. There are women that are excellent professionals and men that are better in simpler situations and so on. We should judge by the result, not by who is the person in terms of professionality and everyone should feel free to choose the path they prefer, the choices they decide to take, without being judged or discriminated or hold back because of their gender.
I agree about the craziness of some controversial women, they are very hard to handle and cause o great deal of damages, on the other side I think that men need to find a way to be better, stronger, and mature people for themselves. It might be true that they have been weakened by some women, but it is also true that they should aim to become the best version of themselves, and very often I don't see that. I am glad that a lot of them take Jordan Peterson as a point of reference, He seems a very good example to follow. A man has to be strong, strong in the capacity of taking charge, of being firm in his beliefs, of being reliable, of being an honorable person.
So far, very often, we see a lot of spoiled, immature, selfish and weak men that became pray of spoiled, immature and selfish women or the opposite, predators for women. We all need to better ourselves, to become better people, better citizens, and better human beings.
Men should just do what the taliban did and ban certain accolades for a certain gender 😂 🤣
@@cheezedoodlenygguh6229 See?Here you are!
@@BLACHATBLA 😁
DR PETERSON IS BRILLIANT!! Thank you to the interviewer also for their respectful and professional demeanor.
When your woman goes crazy, run, do not engage, or you will end up in jail. If she is not getting to you, she'll make up something, call 911, and off you go. She'll show you who's Boss.
As a woman I see what you are talking about,trying to protect my son from these man hating women because your right , he has no defence against it
Your son can't think for himself?
It's not just the women. It's the entire culture. Especially as presented by popular media. The is presently an entire generation of young men who have been told overtly and by examples of exclusion that natural male expression is wrong. Big ups to girls and nothing of a similar form for boys.
I was in the laundromat and the TV was on to a cartoon channel. The storyline was of some girls doing something better than boys. The boys decided to challenge the girls to a series of contests, with the predictable results. The girls won. In the end all the boys cheered for the girls and came to the conclusion that in the words of the boys' leader, and I quote: "Let's just all be girls." These kids have no chance if the media has their way.
I remember the 80s, bra burning, song "Sisters are doing it for themselves"-which I proudly sang my heart out to, we worked so hard to be able to be allowed to study, have a great career, become a scientist, engineer, whatever we desired, and we are still fighting for equal pay for doing the same job, sometimes better...for this new generation to say thanks, yeah, but I dont wanna study, if I cant have an income from Instagram or sell my t*ts on myfansonly, I dont care....sigh...makes you wonder why we burned those bras :(
Burning bras seems so environmentally unfriendly now, haha. There's still some work to do to reach full equality in the workplace and at the same time JP's ideas around merit are relevant too - both ideas can sit side by side IMO. Higher learning institutions are still brimming and very few women overall try to sell their bodies or images as their primary incomes - they just get a lot of the oxygen - and that, more than the reality is part of the problem.
Even on the farm, there was Mens work and Women's work. Divided tasks to suit individuals stronger characteristics to benefit both.
Dang why stop the vid there? This is a great conversation. Thanks for uploading!
1 Corinthians 11:3
But there is one thing I want you to know. The head of every man is the Christ, the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
New Living Translation
Run don’t walk away from crazy.
Crazy is what happens when you deny your fundamental nature, leaving you with no bearings other than hate, jealous and unhappiness!
Second 45 - JP “ OK, I have a question about that”…. 4 minutes after…still waiting for the question 😂😂😂😂
It's no one's business to control any other person
“crazy Harper sisters” best quote ever
Harper? Harpy. Crazy harpy sisters. Maybe a better quote.
The way for strong masculine men to deal with “crazy women” is too not engage with them at all…… nature will take care of things after that
Yup, just walk away......in fact, saunter away and never look back!
Where can I here this whole conversation. JP and her are so on point!!!
Two rational Adults. Men and Women, who don't already feel comfortable in their own selves, can learn how to live good lives, by not denying Nature.
I'm 20 years old. It is from Jordan Peterson, that I hear being manly can be good. This happened for the first time in my life.
I advise (as a 40 year old man) Spend some decent time watching his videos, but balance that with some other thinkers. And don't be afraid not to be manly when you feel like it. It isn't weak to be weak, it's human. Hope that makes sense
Men can improve at being men by meditating, reading more, exercising and lifting weights, playing a sport or learning a martial art and taking responsibility for their actions. Become honest, confident, charismatic, well read, educated, fit and healthy with a level of physical prowess that has been trained and refined. Be disciplined. Then, when you're making progress.. Demand better behaviour from the people around you. Don't let them talk down to you or be disrespectful. Don't give up your investment in your self for a woman. Have boundaries. Have some self respect. Let's be better together.
It's pointless to argue with crazy women. They build castles in the air and live there. I let them rot in their own castles.
Exactly! That is what I have always called "The Princess Card"; At any point in time, although claiming equality (whatever that means), most women will take the emotional/crazy stand whenever they are loosing an argument. The only way out of that is to stop, turn away and leave.... and then it depends on how much you care for that person. To me that is a definite "no go" in that acquaintance/relationship. Bless them and let them go....
I agree. This sane woman is prepared to add her voice and her profession.
As a mother he is helping me raise my som
That’s nice…now go make him a sandwich.
@@anolisa1939 dont tell her what to do
@@fire5053 Why not? She thinks JP is a role model, and JP say’s women are happiest when they’re dominated and in nurturing roles. Telling her to make her son a sandwich should be a double dose of dopamine bliss.
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That's...not at all what he said.
@@xymos7807 Do you not follow JP’s work? He has said as much on numerous occasions.
"There's nothing more dangerous than a weak man." Very insightful quote.
Plenty of them here in the comment section
Young men need to take control over their own lives before they worry about anyone else’s.
One of the few rare interviews where Jordan seems to be enjoying himself
The ‘sisterhood’ is a real monster. Women are incapable of holding other women responsible. The fear of being ostracized is too much.
Men ALLOWING you to do what you want is the real monster.
With due respect… there is in fact a way to control “crazy women”… not sure if there are studies on this though…. Stop entertaining the bs. Period. It’s only the attention and the reaction on part of anyone at the receiving end of such behaviour that drives and adds fuel to the insanity!
@Diya Roy - You are 100% correct!
What a great conversation...
Wait. It ended too soon. I wanted to hear more of the conversation. It's funny, when she was saying men and women have never worked side by side it made me think of Claire and Jamie in the Outlander series and how amazingly well they work together as a couple. To me, that's the way it should be with men and women.
She is tremeandously smart. Great content