I own a ps771 dru blair, with swapped trigger spring, and just acquired a Kustom CM mint from Oct 06'. I'm excited to compare, but your results I already agree with. This Micron has all the features of the modern CM C+, But a larger Cup, taller trigger, the Mac valve and cutaway handle, plus it's designed for primarily solvents. Thanks for a great video, and I completely agree GSi Creos brushes are fantastic quality. All Mr. Hobby stuff is fire
Own a ps289 for about 6-8 months, fantastic AB, the only thing is the cup from inside is orange-red colour now, because of cleaners and thinners as you mentioned. Ps290 trigger type and ps 270 are in my collection for about 3months ps290 and 1 month ps270, what can I say, as a model builder, bigger scale 1:9 motorcycles and 1:35 vehicles, ps290 is awesome, literally it is a mini spray gun, as for me one of the advantages of ps290 is two nozzle cups in a box. Ps270 I'm using it for smaller details (bolts, fastenings, etc) it does it very well. These 3 are very reliable ABs. Of course I'd like to try Iwata one day maybe Will start with Iwata eclipse hp-cs. Have a good day 🙂
Ps771, is actually a micron. They both come out of the same factory under the "micron" line. Tldr, iwta dont manufacture the airbrush, they are a brand/ distributor for a factory called Fuso Seiki (BB rich). You can tell they are all of the same design, their parts are interchangable! Only problem is every brands "Micron" have different needle size. Iwata, Mr hobby, rich pen, olympus. These brands' top models are all microns and interchangeable parts between them all. I have tried. Also not saying iwata is a small company they are actually one of the largest heavy machinery manufacturer and builder in japan. Airbrush is not their first priority hence they hire others to make.
The micron and ps771 have completely different bodies. The trigger is closer to the tip on the micron than it is on the creos. They arent the same design even remotely.
Siiiick, just ordered a PS-270, am super stoked! It'll be my second airbrush, started with a cheap dual action Timbertech brush I got of Amazon, which as a noob seems pretty decent, still can't wait to compare the two. I;ve heard nothing but great things about the PS-270.
@@dredfxcustompaint Dred, in your opinion the difference between PS-771 and PS-270 is minimal or zero? I have the PS-270 but I was thinking of swapping it for the 771. Do you think it's just spending money unnecessarily? Thanks and congratulations!
@@lucagrandinetti7695 yes I know what you mean the 771 is better I would say trigger feels better and its a 0.18mm so it gets down like the micron The 270 is a great brush but you can feel a difference between the two hope this helps 👍
@@dredfxcustompaint Thanks Rob! So you think it's worth it to upgrade from P-270 to 771? or all in all the differences are not so many? I am a plastic model maker.
@@lucagrandinetti7695 if you want a bit more detail and better trigger then yes if not stick with the ps270 it's a great brush 👍 for what you are doing
Great review! Thank you for being so thorough. I wonder how the Mr. Hobby PS771 would stack up against a Harder & Steenbeck Infinity 2-in-1 (with 0.15mm needle)?
The 771 will smash the infinity on trigger and is more user friendly when it comes to paint plus you get a mac valve I have the infinity yes it's a good Brush but you move on thanks for watching and the feedback much appreciated all the best rob 👍
@@dredfxcustompaint Id mostly agree with this.. And as you touched on. If you don't mind the extra length of the 270, It will keep up with almost any of them. The infinity being easier to clean than any of them. Heck if one was so inclined you could put the 771 head assembly and needle on the 270 :) (packing change as well) I've had the 270 for a couple years already. it still operates as new.. aside from the cup showing brass inside there is no wear. again my iwatas also show brass inside the cup as well Ill be looking at the takumi in person at the beginning of next month.. I dont usually use side feeds so I doubt ill purchase one... unless of course my brain forces me to :) Cheers buddy!
@@TheAIRspace I have 3 270's and have recently converted one of those with 771 head, needle and packing. It worked out really well and I'm still trying to decide which feels nicer to use , the 'Franken 270-771' or my stock 771
@@lancewhitford8101 I actually prefer the extra length of the 270, the 270 with the 771 head on it would be the ideal length for me. I find the 771 and of course the micron to be just a little small for my hand... Probably due to years of work with an eclipse. As you already know the 270 trigger is so smooth already you really dont notice the minor difference in the micron style trigger. I also like them a bit stiffer and keep the spring wound up as tight as possible. if they get too soft it just doesn't feel like it has the same snap back responsiveness to me. Keep slinging paint!
@@dredfxcustompaint Personally I love my infinity for uro based paints. I got it before they so called upgraded it to the CR, and have zero issues with trigger action as I've heard is common. And I like the nickle finish. When I can swing another brush (meaning as soon as the wife will let me) I'm pretty set on the PS771. But the infinity will always have a home in my heart.
Hey Rob i don't know if you've heard but they have stopped making the micron and they are bringing a newer version out plus I think I read somewhere that the greos needle and nozzle will fit in the micron but they are also made out of a softer metal so it will not take the knocks like the micron. Just a bit of info for ya that was nooderling around in my head..lol
Yep.. the new micron is called a Takumi i think and they say it's even more responsive than the old micron.. I've not tried the Greos but heard a lot of good reviews about them. Have a great day Mate..
Yeah the Takumi's.. They will be good!. I think Iwata did see that the sales went back, because of the amazing Creos stuff and rethink the whole situation. And there they are. The new Takumi's. Comes out in Eclipse SBS and Micron series. The new good thing is they reduced the tip to trigger distance, so the airbrush can be hold with one hand without loosing grip and control And yes, they will stop producing the Eclipse SBS models for sure
Hi Rob, love your reviews mate, I use a couple of iwata eclipse for spraying my airsoft guns but im now doing logos and graphics on cases etc so I'm needing a more detailed brush, so defo going to look at the creos range... on a totally different note any tips on what you clean your brushes with? I'm using createx/ vallejo paints Thanks in advance
HI ADAM glad you like the videos it's good to get some feedback 👍greos ps771 all the way mate 😀 for cleaning I will use car screen wash mixed with water If its stubborn paint then I use thinners and some cotton buds then blast it through with water hope this helps you out Adam all the best rob 👍
How would you compare the precision on the trigger (like spraying at the same pull back distance) between the PS270 and the PS771? My use case is a little different, I paint models, and my H&S Silverline and PS290 are perfect for painting surfaces. But when I want to post shade things like panel lines, I find the H&S has too much variance on when the paint starts to flow, making it really hard to follow the lines on the model. I can't even use the trigger stop, because it varies when the paint sprays on each trigger pull. I also imagine the performance will vary depending on paint type, am I asking the impossible, using acrylic lacquers like Tamiya and Mr Color? 29:50 Oh I see you anticipated my question : ) Thanks, I will leave this comment for the algorithm, and subscribe
the mac valve does not lower the psi. in fact it will raise it when you close it down. if you dont believe it look at your compressor when you close the valve. what the mac valve is doing is controling the volume of air
Hello, i watch your vidéo, and thank you, it's the only who make a good comparison. But i don't really understand all what you say ( sorry i 'm french) i actually have an occasion to buy a ps771 for 275 € than a custom micron for 498 € . So witch IS better, do the custom micron IS better ? Or the ps771 IS a really great deal ? Thanks a lot
Hi both brushes are quality if you can afford the micron go for that but if you have a budget the 771 is great to you won't go wrong with Either brush hope this helps thank you for watching
diff between ps-770 and 771? , / leaning towards this airbrush instead of custom micron... although the paintcup is as ugly as ever.... // using infinity atm, will i notice a difference? . infintys trigger is nagging me, fiddly.. unprecise etc... // how is ps-770 vs custom micron in the trigger response departement ? ...
Hi the ps 771 trigger hands down beats the infinity and I think is a better brush as well👌 I have not seen the ps 770 I think it's just the body that is different one is chrome and the other is matt I think 👍micron are great but for the price ps 771 all the way hope this helps you out all the best dred fx
@@dredfxcustompaint ty, i pulled the trigger on micron, was avb localy, ps770 would be from poland, im from swe, // anyways, ive heard that micron/ps770 are less demanding on paint vs infinty,, i do get allot of spitting, clogging on infinty.. all ranges of paints.. even if thinned to water... ive heard infinity are more "fussy" then micron/ps770...??// stynylrez primer dries so fast also, i dont looking forward to have something in the micron that dries so fast, were talking full on flowimprover aswell.. the cup get instant hardcured paint in it... // stynylrez.. love hate relationship .
@@kalleandersson4372 do you have the o.15 mm infinity if so thats why they run better with the 0.2mm set up 👍and yes the set ups in the 771 and micron do run nice both 0.18mm the good thing with the 771 you get a cap for your airbrush that can help with the paint not drying up 👍
@@dredfxcustompaint i run 0,2/ switched to 0.4,/(0,4 not much better) the 0,15 is otta the question for infinity, i believe infinity are infact fiddly in this matter...//i got the infinty were i got all 3 needles. / tbh i have paints that are better then stynylrez.. so i cant grasp the hype behind stynylrez, can you recomend good primers? , black, grey, and white/akrylics.. shoot . // good tip with cap, micron B wont need it, good practice for me aswell and not waste paint.. smaller cups have their benefits, / will stop my monolog now, u see i have no friends, so when i get the opurtunity(how does that even spell?), i speak 2 much, sry, and thank you .
Very interesting video Rob, as you know I've never picked up an airbrush so now nothing but this video has given me the basics that I need if I was going to get one. I have zero talent for any freehand airbrushing but was thinking about using stencils for adding logo's and small designs to my panels just to add something different to my hobby so I would say that the cheaper Greos would fit the bill. Oh who's that dodgy geezer called Tony that keeps popping up and commenting on your vids 🤔 I think he could be trouble 😂, having said that I think I saw you pop up on Tony's vid on Friday 😎 great to see you in the live chat Rob 👌👍
Yes I know what you mean some brushes make life a lot easier than others after owning both brushes the micron for trigger hands down But the 771 has the mac valve and can get the same details down 👍 and for me the 771 is a longer brush so feels more comfortable in the hand than the micron.it would be nice if people could visit a store where they could try both brushes in there hands before they buy one then you can get a feel for what I mean
I own a ps771 dru blair, with swapped trigger spring, and just acquired a Kustom CM mint from Oct 06'. I'm excited to compare, but your results I already agree with. This Micron has all the features of the modern CM C+, But a larger Cup, taller trigger, the Mac valve and cutaway handle, plus it's designed for primarily solvents. Thanks for a great video, and I completely agree GSi Creos brushes are fantastic quality. All Mr. Hobby stuff is fire
Thank you for the feedback much appreciated
Own a ps289 for about 6-8 months, fantastic AB, the only thing is the cup from inside is orange-red colour now, because of cleaners and thinners as you mentioned. Ps290 trigger type and ps 270 are in my collection for about 3months ps290 and 1 month ps270, what can I say, as a model builder, bigger scale 1:9 motorcycles and 1:35 vehicles, ps290 is awesome, literally it is a mini spray gun, as for me one of the advantages of ps290 is two nozzle cups in a box. Ps270 I'm using it for smaller details (bolts, fastenings, etc) it does it very well. These 3 are very reliable ABs.
Of course I'd like to try Iwata one day maybe Will start with Iwata eclipse hp-cs.
Have a good day 🙂
Ps771, is actually a micron. They both come out of the same factory under the "micron" line. Tldr, iwta dont manufacture the airbrush, they are a brand/ distributor for a factory called Fuso Seiki (BB rich). You can tell they are all of the same design, their parts are interchangable! Only problem is every brands "Micron" have different needle size.
Iwata, Mr hobby, rich pen, olympus. These brands' top models are all microns and interchangeable parts between them all. I have tried.
Also not saying iwata is a small company they are actually one of the largest heavy machinery manufacturer and builder in japan. Airbrush is not their first priority hence they hire others to make.
I only knew some of this, thank you for the information. Sparmax stuff too usually fits iwata equipment
The micron and ps771 have completely different bodies. The trigger is closer to the tip on the micron than it is on the creos. They arent the same design even remotely.
Siiiick, just ordered a PS-270, am super stoked! It'll be my second airbrush, started with a cheap dual action Timbertech brush I got of Amazon, which as a noob seems pretty decent, still can't wait to compare the two. I;ve heard nothing but great things about the PS-270.
You will love it ❤ I cannot put my 270 down at the moment and great brush used it in my last video the Japanese geisha all the best 👍 rob
@@dredfxcustompaint Dred, in your opinion the difference between PS-771 and PS-270 is minimal or zero? I have the PS-270 but I was thinking of swapping it for the 771. Do you think it's just spending money unnecessarily? Thanks and congratulations!
@@lucagrandinetti7695 yes I know what you mean the 771 is better I would say trigger feels better and its a 0.18mm so it gets down like the micron
The 270 is a great brush but you can feel a difference between the two hope this helps 👍
@@dredfxcustompaint Thanks Rob! So you think it's worth it to upgrade from P-270 to 771? or all in all the differences are not so many? I am a plastic model maker.
@@lucagrandinetti7695 if you want a bit more detail and better trigger then yes if not stick with the ps270 it's a great brush 👍 for what you are doing
Nice review, I subscribed (1000-th)
Great review! Thank you for being so thorough.
I wonder how the Mr. Hobby PS771 would stack up against a Harder & Steenbeck Infinity 2-in-1 (with 0.15mm needle)?
The 771 will smash the infinity on trigger and is more user friendly when it comes to paint plus you get a mac valve I have the infinity yes it's a good
Brush but you move on thanks for watching and the feedback much appreciated all the best rob 👍
@@dredfxcustompaint Id mostly agree with this.. And as you touched on. If you don't mind the extra length of the 270, It will keep up with almost any of them. The infinity being easier to clean than any of them. Heck if one was so inclined you could put the 771 head assembly and needle on the 270 :) (packing change as well)
I've had the 270 for a couple years already. it still operates as new.. aside from the cup showing brass inside there is no wear. again my iwatas also show brass inside the cup as well
Ill be looking at the takumi in person at the beginning of next month.. I dont usually use side feeds so I doubt ill purchase one... unless of course my brain forces me to :)
Cheers buddy!
@@TheAIRspace I have 3 270's and have recently converted one of those with 771 head, needle and packing. It worked out really well and I'm still trying to decide which feels nicer to use , the 'Franken 270-771' or my stock 771
@@lancewhitford8101 I actually prefer the extra length of the 270, the 270 with the 771 head on it would be the ideal length for me. I find the 771 and of course the micron to be just a little small for my hand... Probably due to years of work with an eclipse.
As you already know the 270 trigger is so smooth already you really dont notice the minor difference in the micron style trigger. I also like them a bit stiffer and keep the spring wound up as tight as possible. if they get too soft it just doesn't feel like it has the same snap back responsiveness to me.
Keep slinging paint!
@@dredfxcustompaint Personally I love my infinity for uro based paints. I got it before they so called upgraded it to the CR, and have zero issues with trigger action as I've heard is common. And I like the nickle finish. When I can swing another brush (meaning as soon as the wife will let me) I'm pretty set on the PS771. But the infinity will always have a home in my heart.
I love my procon boy. If Mr. Hobby ever releases an airbrush with a floating nozzle I'll be buying it day one. :O
Yes would make the brush alot easier to get on with
Iwata makes both airbrushes I believe, and parts are interchangeable between platinum series and CM
Yup, this is a win-win situation for Iwata.
they are made in sane factory, i own 3 creos brushes, i orefer them to my iwatas.
Hey Rob i don't know if you've heard but they have stopped making the micron and they are bringing a newer version out plus I think I read somewhere that the greos needle and nozzle will fit in the micron but they are also made out of a softer metal so it will not take the knocks like the micron. Just a bit of info for ya that was nooderling around in my head..lol
Nice one 👍so I now own a classic CUSTOM MICRON NOW THEN 🤣the GREOS are nice brushes 👌thanks for the feedback all the best rob
Yep.. the new micron is called a Takumi i think and they say it's even more responsive than the old micron.. I've not tried the Greos but heard a lot of good reviews about them. Have a great day Mate..
@@dustyart580 thanks for that 👍have a good one to 😀👍
Yeah the Takumi's.. They will be good!. I think Iwata did see that the sales went back, because of the amazing Creos stuff and rethink the whole situation. And there they are. The new Takumi's.
Comes out in Eclipse SBS and Micron series. The new good thing is they reduced the tip to trigger distance, so the airbrush can be hold with one hand without loosing grip and control
And yes, they will stop producing the Eclipse SBS models for sure
Hi Rob, love your reviews mate, I use a couple of iwata eclipse for spraying my airsoft guns but im now doing logos and graphics on cases etc so I'm needing a more detailed brush, so defo going to look at the creos range... on a totally different note any tips on what you clean your brushes with? I'm using createx/ vallejo paints
Thanks in advance
HI ADAM glad you like the videos it's good to get some feedback 👍greos ps771 all the way mate 😀 for cleaning I will use car screen wash mixed with water
If its stubborn paint then I use thinners and some cotton buds then blast it through with water hope this helps you out Adam all the best rob 👍
fantastik and water works great for cleaning water based acrylics
How would you compare the precision on the trigger (like spraying at the same pull back distance) between the PS270 and the PS771?
My use case is a little different, I paint models, and my H&S Silverline and PS290 are perfect for painting surfaces. But when I want to post shade things like panel lines, I find the H&S has too much variance on when the paint starts to flow, making it really hard to follow the lines on the model. I can't even use the trigger stop, because it varies when the paint sprays on each trigger pull.
I also imagine the performance will vary depending on paint type, am I asking the impossible, using acrylic lacquers like Tamiya and Mr Color?
29:50 Oh I see you anticipated my question : ) Thanks, I will leave this comment for the algorithm, and subscribe
Hi I would say the micron if your up close on the detail the micron has more finesse than the 771 but the 771 has a mac valve which is a bonus
Great video enjoyed watching this. 👍
the mac valve does not lower the psi. in fact it will raise it when you close it down. if you dont believe it look at your compressor when you close the valve. what the mac valve is doing is controling the volume of air
Great video man and that intro is mint keep the intro fella
Thank you mate 👍
Great video! Subscribed! 👊
Thanks brother Jonathan glad you enjoyed the video and welcome to the channel 👍
Which compressor match with this airbrush ?
Hi any of the iwata range is great 👍 good compressors that last 👍
Do you think Mr hobby uses iwata parts or just the patent?
They are out the same factory so who knows
Excellent review, very informative.
Thank you much appreciated 🙏
Hello, i watch your vidéo, and thank you, it's the only who make a good comparison. But i don't really understand all what you say ( sorry i 'm french) i actually have an occasion to buy a ps771 for 275 € than a custom micron for 498 € . So witch IS better, do the custom micron IS better ? Or the ps771 IS a really great deal ?
Thanks a lot
Hi both brushes are quality if you can afford the micron go for that but if you have a budget the 771 is great to you won't go wrong with
Either brush hope this helps thank you for watching
for painting 1/6 and 1/10 scale figurines, the mr hobby is better, for eye liner, mascara, because the spray angle is more closed
I started replacing my micron parts with creos parts they all fit and are cheaper
@@robertclassicconstructiona1830 yes definitely cheaper
excelente analise
Not that I don't believe you but how much is it due to your skill and experience?
Hi yes I can airbrush but having tryed both brushes the creos will match the micron easily all goes on how much you want to spend
cracking review 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙
diff between ps-770 and 771? , / leaning towards this airbrush instead of custom micron... although the paintcup is as ugly as ever.... // using infinity atm, will i notice a difference? . infintys trigger is nagging me, fiddly.. unprecise etc... // how is ps-770 vs custom micron in the trigger response departement ? ...
Hi the ps 771 trigger hands down beats the infinity and I think is a better brush as well👌 I have not seen the ps 770 I think it's just the body that is different one is chrome and the other is matt I think 👍micron are great but for the price ps 771 all the way hope this helps you out all the best dred fx
@@dredfxcustompaint ty, i pulled the trigger on micron, was avb localy, ps770 would be from poland, im from swe, // anyways, ive heard that micron/ps770 are less demanding on paint vs infinty,, i do get allot of spitting, clogging on infinty.. all ranges of paints.. even if thinned to water... ive heard infinity are more "fussy" then micron/ps770...??// stynylrez primer dries so fast also, i dont looking forward to have something in the micron that dries so fast, were talking full on flowimprover aswell.. the cup get instant hardcured paint in it... // stynylrez.. love hate relationship .
@@kalleandersson4372 do you have the o.15 mm infinity if so thats why they run better with the 0.2mm set up 👍and yes the set ups in the 771 and micron do run nice both 0.18mm the good thing with the 771 you get a cap for your airbrush that can help with the paint not drying up 👍
@@dredfxcustompaint i run 0,2/ switched to 0.4,/(0,4 not much better) the 0,15 is otta the question for infinity, i believe infinity are infact fiddly in this matter...//i got the infinty were i got all 3 needles. / tbh i have paints that are better then stynylrez.. so i cant grasp the hype behind stynylrez, can you recomend good primers? , black, grey, and white/akrylics.. shoot . // good tip with cap, micron B wont need it, good practice for me aswell and not waste paint.. smaller cups have their benefits, / will stop my monolog now, u see i have no friends, so when i get the opurtunity(how does that even spell?), i speak 2 much, sry, and thank you .
Very interesting video Rob, as you know I've never picked up an airbrush so now nothing but this video has given me the basics that I need if I was going to get one.
I have zero talent for any freehand airbrushing but was thinking about using stencils for adding logo's and small designs to my panels just to add something different to my hobby so I would say that the cheaper Greos would fit the bill.
Oh who's that dodgy geezer called Tony that keeps popping up and commenting on your vids 🤔 I think he could be trouble 😂, having said that I think I saw you pop up on Tony's vid on Friday 😎 great to see you in the live chat Rob 👌👍
🤣hi John glad you like the video yes the cheaper greos will do the job for you fine it's the ps 270 0.2mm great brush
I know this is old but anyone looking at custom micron knows what "Double Action" Means.
There cant be much competition between a mr hobby and an Iwata airbrush.
If you can make any brush do anything then it’s just down to price why not say that,
Yes I know what you mean some brushes make life a lot easier than others after owning both brushes the micron for trigger hands down
But the 771 has the mac valve and can get the same details down 👍 and for me the 771 is a longer brush so feels more comfortable in the hand than the micron.it would be nice if people could visit a store where they could try both brushes in there hands before they buy one then you can get a feel for what I mean
not really an advantage... other airbrushes have caps and it prevents spills too.
A 1.8 needle on a airbrush branded as Mr. Hobby almost seems like a contradiction. 3.5 needle seems more like what a ‘Mr. Hobby’ airbrush should be.
It’s creos not greos