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- Shannon and Skip sharply disagree on this topic. Why does Skip still think LeBron James isn't in Michael Jordan's league?
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Skip Bayless explains why LeBron doesn't come close to Jordan | UNDISPUTED
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/ undisputedonfs1
I died when Shannon started bringing up their ages 😂😂😂😂
no bs
people that
facts
that *Fantastic Four*(Golden State) had me rollin.
LOOOL facts
Facts:
Michael Jordan in his 12th season in the NBA was a...
5x Finals MVP, 4x regular season MVP, 9x All-NBA First Team, 8x All-Defensive First Team, 9x Scoring Champ, 3x Steals Champ, and 1x DPOY
Lebron in his 12th season in the NBA is a...
3x Finals MVP. 4x regular season MVP, 10x All-NBA First Team, 5x All-Defensive First Team, 1x Scoring Champ, 0x Steals Champ, 0x DPOY
And you know what the funny thing is? That's including the fact that Jordan only played 18 games in '84-85 because of a broken foot, and only 17 games in '94-95 because baseball.
Jordan = Undisputed GOAT
Plz bring up the assist stats and the rebounds into the equation.
Alia Imam yeah one assist more and 2 more rebounds a game is better than all that
GOAT wow you can copy and paste 😂 look at everything else besides mj getting the privilege to have a super team built around him
Ramon Anzures u dissing LeBron?
@@ramonanzures9780 yeah, lebron has had numerous HOF players and superstars on EVERY team that ever won a Title. Mike made players around him better, Bron Bron just needed better players. That simple.
Skip Bayless is the greatest 3 point shooter in NBA
Man, Skip is such a troll but I love it. He's hilarious.
ILOVEBASKETBALL hes so entertaining man i love watching this guy
Ya since he brings up so many stats no one else talks about
Ortis Smith
He's a troll?? You clearly haven't heard of Nick Wright
He's always trolling! He just makes me shake my head and smile.
8:58: "ANSWER ME! NOW!!!!" - Shannon made me laugh big time.
Don't let Shannon fopl y'all. He knows that Mj is the Best. He witnessed. That. He even semi said it. One day
Hes just going by his scripts. Child
Don't be fooled.
..
@@jazztravis6817 shut up you don’t know what your talking about 9 year old if he thought mj was better he would be making the same case for Mj being better that Lebron being better
@@jazztravis6817bro believes in sports propaganda 😭
Lol man how does skip not get bored of this topic
21 Romeo that's cause people keep entertaining the ridiculous aspect that he is
Greg Roman it’s pretty obvious that he’s a huge MJ fanboy. He ignores the fact that even though MJ has a better finals record he still couldn’t get anywhere without his teammates while LeBron is on decent but not stacked teams.
His whole career has been fueled by this whole debate
lol Shannon "STAAHP SKIP"
88laserbeam that be the funniest! Sthaaaaap
88laserbeam SSKKEEEEUUUUPPP
Shannon using skips logic against skip was the highlight of my day
Micheal Jordan is the greatest basketball player EVER... Enough said... 💯💯💯
In your opinion
koolerystyle depends on your definition
Bill Russell
LeBron
Kareem
What's your reasoning for jordan being the best
Championships + Accolades + Stats= Legacy
@@jonjohnson1978. it's a fact ...lebum has to many meltdowns...
@canWego Backintime so we're saying robert horry with 7 championships is better than LeBron?????????????????
Skip won the debate as soon as he sided with mj
Bulls won 55 games without Jordan and almost made thge ECF.
Rogger C he would've if the debate was actually about if Jordan was better. Skip the only one arguing about whether Bron is better
No he did not. Have some perspective.
But won the championship with him
But the Bulls didn't win the championship, David Robinson retired the Spurs went on to win 3 more championships.
I don't know what skip's talking about?
These guys were all lousy three point shooters.
LBJ 34% , 32.1% playoffs
MJ 32.7%, 33.2% playoffs
Magic 30.3%, 24.1% playoffs
those guys didn't shoot as much as Lebron does so skip gives them passes
Nah. Skip gives them a pass because they're not LBJ.
not lousy, the game back then was a lot different and less threes were shot than today
They attempted way less because players back down couldn't shoot. Shot quantity does not affect %s.
LeBron James was a 40% 3 point shooter in Miami. It seems like every year, LeBron's shooting stats decline, and I think the reason is because his legs are shot. He plays a lot of basketball every year, going deep into the postseason, six straight years in the NBA finals will take a toll.
they debate lebron vs jordan two times a week smh
They really do lol I think this show has potential if they'd stop talking about dak Prescott and lebron vs Jordan
Skip focuses on these because he can play the troll role. He did it on First Take, and he will continue it here. SAS now assumes his role on First Take.
& the media has been debating this senseless comparison for a decade now
lebron is not better than jordan. No one will ever be. But he certainly is better than bird, magic, shaq, duncan, kobe, kareem, wilt, hakeem and russel. Yeah he is top 2
lebron is not better than jordan. No one will ever be. But he certainly is better than bird, magic, shaq, duncan, kobe, kareem, wilt, hakeem and russel. Yeah he is top 2
*Shannon Sharpe for president !*
He made Skip contradict himself at least 3 times in this video.
MJ *''just couldn't beat the prime Celtics by himself''* , but Lebron *''must beat the prime Boston Big 3 by himself'' , Skip ?*
*Lebron losses the finals with Kyrie and Love injured* - and it's
held against Lebron, but when he won the finals with Love & Kyrie
healthy - Lebron gets little to no credit, becuase *Draymond was out for 1 game and Curry was ''hurt'' (but dropped 38 in game 4).*
And Magic and the Lakers *made ''the west weak''* , but Lebron *''just happens to play in the weak east'', right Skip ?*
I'll vote for Shannon sharpe
+Ivan The Piff Master yea he def does. And also cuz the heat beat the spurs in 2013 and since then it's just been LEBRON SUCKS from skip
celtic of ray allen and peirce is nothing compare to bird celtic get the f out here lebron fan boy
every hates lebron because people like you give him to much credit for doing so little. he didnt win game 7 of the finals that was kyrie lebron couldnt score to save his life in the last 4 minutes. in miami he turn the ball over 3 time in 2 mintues only to be save by bosh and ray allen. and choke against a mavs team that had 1 super star
so scoring 41 points in games 5 and 6 down 3-1 and a triple double is "doing so little".....interesting
and did u watch the rest of the fourth quarter of that 2013 game 7?
cuz it sounds like u just watched the last 2 minutes of each finals
New generation are the only ones who think Lebron is better than MJ
AmaZe and the old generation thinks Jordan is better. And the one before that think kareem is better. That's kind of how it works
arman1261 Agreed
Im new generation and i think MJ is better
old generation thinks LeBron isn't better.
People like Hakeem Bird Kobe they are some of the greatest players ever and actually know what they are talking about because they are champions lebron fans are the most delusional
Skip says that losing in the early rounds of the playoffs is apparently better than losing in the Finals because it doesn't hurt your finals record.
Yea skip needs to go for a checkup at the hospital and get his head checked
Had MJ not retired twice, he could have gone 8-0 or 9-0.
Unfortunately that's most of America and basketball fans. 6 for 6.6 for 6. 6 for 6. That's all they say. No, Michael wasn't 6 for 6. He was 6 for however many seasons he played.
tigera6 Hakeem and the rockets would have been the best team he would have played against in the finals.
+Kendall C Facts and probably would've won before Rodman came.
Jordan would destroy LeBron just face that ex Miami/ Cavs fans
Jordan is not better than Isiah Thomas or Magic Johnson...
Hawks 13 both in their primes jordan couldn't stop the physical specimen lebron is. that kinda of speed nd strength, don't play urself
LeBron killed Kolby. He s fake friend. Hes not a Team. PLAYER. Dude is Fake
@@FootballManagerTaraz ooh You Really Smoking Peanut Leaves. Tell Him that to his Face
Hes not a Lakers. Hes a Cavaliers.
Shannon Sharpe destroys Skip Bayless in ways Stephen A Smith never could.
you're funny, thats not true
I agree Stephen A never brought up those points Shannon did all he said was "Skip nobody negating your points its just they are not complete" I'm like man shut up Stephen A
hold this w sir.
Somali Kamikaze he also doesn't shout his response like Stephen A, and Shannons way funnier
Shannon was shouting though
All I've heard from Skip over the past year:
"Blah blah blah LeBron can't shoot, he isn't a shooter like Curry blah blah blah"
Shooting isn't EVERYTHING, Skip. LeBron just beat the greatest 3 point shooting team of all time.
draymond couldn't play for game 5 and bogut couldn't play for game 7. if draymond would have played in game 5 gs would be back to back champs. so and as far as im concerned lebron hasn't beaten a healthy gs team
golden state didnt beat a healthy cavs team remember that
***** actually they have beaten a "healthy cavs team" is the regular season so your point is invalid. last playoffs sure cavs weren't healthy ok fine ill give you that one but this year curry was hurt draymond couldn't play and bogut ( the only player that can stop lebron going to the basket) couldn't play so yeah the cavs haven't beaten a healthy warriors team and thats facts
You can't play the what if game. You could say the same thing for the year prior and say, Lebron and the Cavaliers would have won with a healthy Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. They had Draymond Green for both game 6 and 7 and lost both games. Health and suspensions are part of the game. If you can't keep your head straight and take yourself of the game, that's an L on your part and shouldn't detract from how well Lebron James and Kyrie played that series.
andrew bogut is not on the team anymore plus one game without green okay i guve you that but that doesn't matter he came back for the rest of the finals curry hurt doesnt matter thats just an excuse he was healthy enough to be out there and if you think durants making a difference you forget he cowers in the face of lebron
This segment was funny. Shannon had me cracking up! 😂😂😂
Skips LBJ hate is getting boring. Get some new material. You've been eating off LeBrons name for 13 years. You should be paying him a part of that Fox/ESPN money for how much you speak his name
You can say the same thing about SAS hating on Tony Romo and the Spurs.
Tony Romo yes. SAS at least respects the Spurs and acknowledges what they've accomplished.
whenever you mention Skip name, it should go together with Lebron, Tom Brady and the Cowboys
RondoStyle9 yup and Sharp is a big bronsexal
Lebron James choking to the Mavericks should've been the point where people stopped comparing the two
What about the times Jordan didn't reached the NBA Finals? We gonna just ignore that?
***** You're talking about when he had an inferior bulls team going up against the Bad Boys, Larry Bird Celtics and so on ?
Shadow 0876 Lebron never lost In the first round ... Michael Jordan was 1-9 in playoff games before Scottie Pippen showed up ... and got spanked by the bad boys ...
And the Mavs are a terrible team? Not really.
+Shadow 0876 Everybody counts LeBron losses (2007, 2015) LeBron and bunch of bench players.What's up with that ??But it's MJ let's just ignore that fact and hate on LeBron smh
Let's go Shannon!
this is the first time ive witness someone who questions MJ's greatness THEN says LBJ is the GOAT over MJ. and not get bashed by fans... and then MJ supporter is the one getting the downside of the arguement. smh the world has changed. just know
MJ 6
LBJ 3.
shannon is smoking that crystal for sure
Scottie has the same amount as Jordan dint forget that either
Ridiculous right?
6-0
no game 7s
10 scoring champion
4th all time scorer
2 threepeats
5 mvps
6 finals mvp
Rookie of the year
Dunk champion
Defense player of the Year
Theres nothing to debate.
The media has been hyping up lebron for so long, its brainwashed people into thinking LBJ is the Greatest
He isnt top 5.
+ 1982 ncaa champ
kareem also has 6 and was more consistent than jordan
I have to argue Skip on the Lebron and Ray Allen in game 6 argument ;
Skip always brings up how Lebron missed the 3 to tie, but he never likes to bring up that Lebron hit the 3 *right before that* and on top of that Lebron scored *16 points in the 4th to even bring the team back into position to have a chance to tie*
And Ray Allen had *0* points in game 7(0-4 FG, 0-2 3PT), when Lebron had *37 12 4 (12-23 FG, 5-10 3pt*) and Skip just glosses over those strong stats.
And Chris Bosh also had *0* points in that game 7
preach
let mj nuts go
he cant nobody in the world cant.
man
7770robi Bosh sold out in defense in game 7 tho, but everything you said was factual
As soon as LeBron (or anyone for that matter) wins a scoring title, MVP and DPOY in the SAME SEASON, then we can compare that player to the REAL King Michael Jeffery Jordan
let mj nuts go
MJ was the 3rd best defensive player on his team in the second 3-peat.
What's crazy is LeBron just beat the team that had mvp, scoring title, second runner up dpoy, and coach of the year.
Whats crazy was that Curry just got back from injury, Queen James and NBA got Draymond suspended for a pivotal game 5, and Bogut got hurt .
Lebron nut suckers overrate him to the extreme
he hasn't actually won those awards in the same year, but awards aren't everything...i believe that there was definitely a season in which he was the best scorer, defensive player and best player overall (he's been the best player in the game for over a decade now)
Why is Skip always trying to prove this point. He gets so insecure when it comes to the thought of LeBron surpassing Jordan. I'm starting to feel like Skip sees it coming, so he's trying his hardest to convince himself & the public that Jordan is 100 percent unreachable.
Your OG I think he's just telling it like it is
^patinho seems insecure too lol
no matter what mj wins championships lebron allows them to win .michael went through hall of famers who lebron beat. and 4 finals lost and jordan has so many game winning shots . lebron got kyrie ha ha ha
um he beat a team that went 73-9 while being down 3-1. dumbfuck
Frank Camacho and lost 4 finals
"Don't you touch Lebron..."
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
LeBron should not be 8n the conversation with The GOAT. Mj. Fr fr. 2 different things yo
Shannon's laugh @14:45 got me crying😂😂
Lebron is a great player but ge is the most overated basketball player ever. It's like this era took a player with the skill set of Scottie Pippen or Dominique Wilkins and tried to make him greater than he actually is. It started with the hype in high school and he lived up to that hype but as a pro he is not a top 5 player all time and that's where people who watch basketball not being bias see the hype
for real, there are so many lbj fans that act as his apologist as well
Check the all time PER.. Win shares and Value Over Player Replacement and say that again
Do you watch basketball? How is he not top 5 all time?
Josiah Silva he is definitely top 10, he'll probably finish top 5 though
Jason Correll he's not top 5? He's very well on his way to cement a top 4 spot. Right now maybe he's not because he's still playing but his resume speaks for itself.
STOP!!! JUST STOP IT!!! THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER JORDAN!
OGMEDIAGROUP420 yeah there is some one better than him... His name is lebron james.
Ali Imran you are an idiot Lebron will never ever ever be better than Jordan ever ever ever.
OGMEDIAGROUP420 it could happen tho. Kobe was the closest thing. It’s gonna b a player that could do everything. Matter of fact KD is very close scoring wise.
Yes!!!!! End of Story. I tried to told you. Mj is The
Michael Jackson of Pop 🎶 Music. Hes The. Martin Luther 👑 King. Of the World. He the. Serena Williams of 🎾 I could go on. On a on. He Made jis Imprint
NEVER!
LeBron when he was with the Heat people say he was in his prime he was there from 2010-2014 and only won two rings with the help of Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh and Mario Chalmers. How can LeBron be the great when his finals appearances doesn't match his wins. LeBron is only great for blocking, stealing, and going to the rim that is all. LeBron sucks at shooting and won't ever be compared to Jordan. I remember when LeBron said Miami Heat will win 8 championships and they only won 2 😂😂😂 what a joke.
Scarecrow Perez Lebron has a jump shot it just comes and goes. But if Lebron had a consistent jumper he would he GOAT
Scarecrow Perez u lost credibility when u mentioned mario chalmers
Scarecrow Perez lol you're an idiot if you thought they were actually going to win 8 titles that was just too pump the crowd up
Jayy Nice He couldn't even with all 4 lololol i never take him serious jus goin by his own words
lebron is actually a better all-around player. jordan was the better scorer
Jordan retired in his prime for 3 years
so that's his problem
Noor Ali nahh point is he retired and still did more than letrash
No he didnt and so what he undefeated in the play offs
and came back and won 3 straight titles after the three straght he retired on mike is the goat then kobe then maybe lebron depending on how he ends his career
guys my point is he retired in his prime where he probably would have won another 2-3 chips. he also started a lot later as Bron came straight from HS
Mj Is way better
MoSer™ MJ is better but I think Lebron is at least in the conversation.
LeBron second all time IMO
So is kobe
What is Mj better than Lebron at?
Edward Franklin What is LeBron better at then MJ? Playmaking? In the Finals, factoring in turnovers, they both average 3 a game. First 11 playoffs (the amount LeBron has been in) Assuming all assists = 2 points to account for the dfferent eras; LeBron is responsible for 54PPG, MJ would be responsible for 59.2PPG. MJ does it with less turnovers on a better FG%, clearly the better offensive player. Defensively it's even depending on how you look at it, IMO MJ a better 1 on 1, LeBron more versatile. Rebounding LeBron clearly better, averages 9.9 in the Finals. Accolades, MJ wins that easily. Advanced stats, MJ wins.
Also, @ Shannon's comment at 7:45 - MJ played 12.5 (joined mid season in 1995) years in the league excluding the Wizard years. In those years, he made 6 finals. In the last 6.5 years, he made 6 finals.
Next point on why Jordan couldn't beat the teams early in his career. He was 21-26. He is a guard, and therefore has to develop as a player. Nobody hates (or at least nobody should hate) on Lebron for losing 2003-2009. Why is this now relevant to Jordan?
8:45 - Mj lost to Orlando while having only played 15 regular season games. He then responded to this by winning 72 games the next year and 69 the year after.
8:50 - MJ was drafted in 85, so by the time he played the celtics, the early 80s were over.
10:48 - "Was Kevin Love or Kyrie healthy?" - hate this argument. Nobody hates on the Cavs for losing in 2015, yet people are bowing down to lebron after beating a banged up Warriors team in 2016. We understand Lebron had no help in 2015. We also understand he got incredibly lucky that the Warriors got crushed to a pulp by outside issues.
Actually Jordan was drafted in 1984 and played 15 years in the league.
Rick Moody his 2nd year was limited cuz of injury. 94-95 he played after the all star break.. and then he had 2 years in Washington
Rick Moody Like what Trey Hull said, he played 2 years in Washington which I said I didn't count, and he played less than 20 games in 2 more years.
I'm sorry but the 2 years in Washington does count. You can't discount those years because he was in decline. He should have stayed retired.
Probably because we are talking about apples and oranges. I reread your post and get you were implying their prime years. I was looking at their entire playing years which of course is not yet finished for LeBron. Given that, I can admit my comments were off base.
when shannon started talk about their ages even skip has to smile 😂
This topic annoys me more than any other from Skip, he absolutely refuses to give LeBron his respect it's so irritating lol
Shannon has more lines than a million pairs of Adidas! lol
lol for sure!
glad someone knows who Bis is!
skip says lebron is the best today, but he won't go and call him the goat. that goes to jordan his airness
I promise you, this is literally the best part of this debate 8:59. Shannon had Skip so scare, if Skip was a cop, he'd shoot Shannon 84 times.
Jay Sagét. oh shoot you're right 😂😂
Lol like Shannon number
8:59 Shannon sounding like my math teacher 😭
Skip making too many excuses lol Shannon won this debate
" But, you'll never play me like LeBron versus Jordan
20 years wonder who they gone say was more important
Both changed the game came through and made a lane
Who's to say that who's greater, all we know they ain't the same."
-J. Cole
Two guys talking sports as if there's no cameras. Perfect! lol Joy over there sneak LeBron hating too lol
and MJ gets a pass for being "solo" yet Lebron doesn't. Curry not 100% out there and a excuse is made. Yet Lebron doesn't have kyrie and love and he gets no pass. The Lebron standard is insane
James Gaving, steph curry was not 100%, thats a fact not an excuse, also lebron and the cavs beat the GS thats a fact not an excuse. regarding the 2015 nba finals a disagree with you, i do think that lebron got a pass and ever will have one every time you bring the fact that irving and love were injured, however, he will not get a pass for the 2011 nba finals against the mavs and we all know why.
LeBron got a huge pass for losing to GSW in 2015. You want to talk about double standards? How about this one 'Lebron had no help, he carries the team' & 'Lebron makes his teammates so much better!' how can you have NO help and then say you make your teammates way better? it's one or the other
There's a difference Arturo. He makes his teammates better but they have to at least have the talent. He can't make a bunch of scrubs stars. No one can. But put a great shooter around LeBron or a Tristan Thompson and they will thrive.
Brandon Polo let me tell you where that double standard came frkm. I remember before LeBron left Cleveland, the cavs were winning over 60 games a year for a good stretch. That's when people said he was making others better. Then, after getting bounced year after year by teams that seemed to be on the same level as the cavs, it flipped to 'he has no help'. I don't agree with that, if he made his teams good enough to win in the high 60's, then he had enough help.
Well playoffs and regular season separate good from great players. You see when they won 66 games in the regular season, the 2nd best player on that team was Mo Williams and then a bunch of role players. There was never pressure in the regular season and they were playing many mediocre teams. And when you play great teams, the great teams don't always perform because it's just the regular season. But when it comes to the playoffs, all the other great teams who had multiple great players with great support performed and went all out as every game mattered. But it's then that LeBron's "help" is exposed. Because players like Mo Williams feel the nerves now and the role players don't perform as well, especially in close games. So before you judge whether or not a player had enough help, don't look at regular season wins. Look at the players around him and ask yourself if they can step up in big games and perform to their regular season standards instead of folding under pressure, leaving LeBron to have to do everything.
Skip was sweating because he almost lost his job in this debate
Kuldip Kandola lol this guy exposes skip in ways Steven a smith couldn't imagine
No, not really.
+Kuldip Kandola lol I know right
Karman Kandola how lol this is all entertainment
Skip is the boss of the show!
we all know if Green wasn't suspended for game 5 that golden state would have won the finals
Connor Smith the momentum swung in game 5, Golden State had the momentum prior to game 5, when they lost Green for game 5 they lost the momentum and then Golden State lost Bogut and Iggy in game 6, which would not have happened if they won game 5 with Green playing
I think they would've won in 6 if green was back for game 5
My Favorite line in this debate was when skip said no kyrie Irving got tired of LeBron bricking shots and said that give me the ball so I can shoot it and win the game. Mane I was on the floor rolling laughing. They both have good points. Still taking MJ though. Hands down. GOAT.
Top 10 Players of All Time:
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Magic
4. Kareem
5. Bill Russell
6. LeBron
7. Timmy D
8. Larry Legend
9. Shaq
10. Big O
Swap spots with Magic and Kobe and you're pretty on point
how is wilt not top 10? kareem is easily the greatest. and no way kobe's better than duncan
You better look at Kobe stats and Duncan's stats side by side fam. Then get back to me about who is greater.
Sherman Robinson duncan is a top 5 all time defender and averaged 20+ and 10+ multiple times. the only players i'll take over duncan are wilt, kareem, and shaq.
I said look at duncan and kobe side by side. So look at kobes numbers also then hit me up
Lebron is great but let's be real Jordan played in a much tougher era. like he played The Mailman in back to back finals, who is the SECOND leading scorer in NBA history.... but no one cares about Karl Malone. the league was crazy deep in the 90s. and if Jordan didn't retire, they would've swept the 90s. that's 8 rings b
you're right
Calixte Hamner lebron played the spurs 3 times, and historically great warriors teams, hes had tougher competition in the finals than mj
He's had tougher competition? let's review: 1991: Magic Johnson
1992: Clyde Drexler
1993: MVP Charles Barkley
1996: Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp
1997-98: All Time assists Leader John Stockton and Mr. 36,928 Points himself...Karl Malone.
not to mention the Ewings, Reggies, and Bad Boys he had to beat to get there... yeahhhhh you right... Lebron had better comp. lol foh joe
2007 prime tony parker and tim duncan spurs team that was 8 deep
2012: Kevin Durant, Russel Westbrook, James Harden
2013/2014: Spurs (Goat franchise) Kawhi, tp, danny green
2015/2016: Warriors MVP steph curry best shooter ever, klay thompson 10 deep 73-9 team
yeah dude. lebron had no competition?
Malone was a playoff choker, and Jordan played in a watered down league.
I like how joy moderates doesn't weigh in until the end unlike molly from FT. Plus skip took a big L
LBJ's 7 trips to the finals on 3-4 vs MJ's 6 trips on 6-0. It's pretty basic.
Shannon guy is too funny 😂
JORDAN = GOAT.
no
Period
Jazz Travis nope
Ray Allen saves lebron legacy but what did Steve Kerr do?
Dont forget about Paxson in the 93 finals
It's because Jordan was double teamed what else can he do. It was a smart move to draw the defense. They double themed MJ because he knew he was clutch. Lbj however missed a 3 and bosh got the board and Ray hit the 3
Also if Ray missed it the Spurs would have won and if Kerr missed it it would have turned it into a game 7 so MJ would still have a chance
Kerr and Paxson didn't save MJ legacy like Ray saved LBJs legacy they never saved MJ because the Bulls were never down in the series at that point the only time there were down in all 6 finals was after gm1 in 91 and gm1 in 98 they only thing they saved MJ from was a gm7 that's it and the reason both times was still because of MJ in 93 when Paxson hit the 3 MJ who had 14 in the qtr was the only Bull to score til then in 98 Kerr scored off the double on MJ which they discussed in the timeout before
If the Bulls lose they still have game 7 if Miami lose they lose the series BIG difference
Why do ppl penalize LeBron for advancing in the playoffs? 3-4? The fact that he has made it there is a better acomplishment than rather losing in the conference finals. 3-4, 7 finals appearances > 3-0 ,3 finals appearances
exactly. People would rather be 6-0 than 6-6 because 6-0 "sounds better". I'd rather be 3-4 than 3-0.
You'd really wanna lose 4 NBA finals? That's a LIE.
Rather win 3 and lose 4 then just win 3 and never make it again
Brandon Polo Sorry but most people would rather go on vacation instead of playing 2-3 extra months of disappointment.
Sure, but I'd rather hear "they went out in the finals last year" rather than "first round exits"
Best ever
1. MJ
2.Kobe
3.Magic
4. Isaiah Thomas
5. Curry
lol
agree with skip
"Joy, will you buzz me when he's ready?" ROFL!!!
Why is there always an excuse every time lebron loses in the final??!!! They always claiming he needed help well damn!!!! How much help does he need????
Lebron actually shot .520 from the field 2015-2016 season and .525 in the playoff. He averaged 29 points, 11 Rebounds, and 8 assists in the Finals against the team with the best record in the NBA. He led the Finals in points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals. Ijs
Check the stats. Then speak on it.
Put some Respeck on that man name.
No he didn't you fool. He got a that higha field goal percentage cause of his ability to drive to the basket and get layups and dunks. His shooting from outside of 8 feet is atrocious. Look it up please and be quiet.
Skip is so right on this one. Lebum is nothing compared to Jordan. He will NEVER be the GOAT.
Shannon refuses to realize the mental factor of basketball
Michael Jordan deadly 3pt shot? really?
and from 1994-95 to 1996-97 where his 3pt% was much higher, the 3 pt line was shortened so those seasons need an astericks.
8:15 when you're crush texts back...
"41 in game5, 41 in game6! Hee, heee, heeee!!!"
Look, the fact is Lebron is great, probably the greatest SF. But Jordan was at another level
Shannon doesn't know what he is talking about Michael and celtics are almost differ era's. Shannon stick to football. this era of basketball is a cake walk compare to Jordan era..
so it wasn't a cake walk when jordam got to 3 straight finals twice with weak west opponents in the finals. jordan never had to face the spurs with kawhi or a 73 win team or a stacked okc team none of those teams from the 90's could beat the teams bron faced
So good to find this nugget. Ah was fun while it lasted
😢 agreed brother
How do you hate on someone who led BOTH teams in every major stat in the last NBA final?
Becuz people are closed minded #teamlbj
ensayofr Not even close to Way better. He MIGHT have been better, he might not have. You can say that his team was WAY better. That's why MJ is overrated. MJ had 7 allstars. They were losing to the Utah Jazz and Pistons before Scottie Pippen was in his prime and they had allstars. Lebron led the 2007, 2009, 2015, and 2016 Cavs to the finals when they wouldn't have even been in the playoffs not to mention beating a team like the 96 bulls. Lebron had 8 coaches in 4 years. MJ had one which was the best coach in SPORTS history. There are a lot of factors that make Lebron just as good, if not better.
ensayofr He never only had 2 all stars it was always a great team in the finals. Lebron went to the finals 2 times with good teams, that's it.
Not WAY better. Just better.. as of now
ensayofr are u referring to 2014?
😀😁😁😆 This why i love Shannon!!!
hahahaha Skip you do not need to explain nothing! Who does not understand that Jordan is so much better than Lebron does not know nothing about basketball.
Lebron escaped to Miami so he could win Boston in the East, Jordan was never running away, he stayed and he built Chicago Bulls!
Lebron was "going home" when Wade got hurt and he knew that Irving and Love will be in Cleveland!
Shannon remember - God is always better than the King!
Jordan didn't build anything, the bulls organization drafted HOF Scottie Pippen, 2x DPOY Dennis Rodman but that's none of my bussiness.
@@ERBCHIPMUNK just saw TF you talking about? The Bulls didn't draft Rodman, but I'll assume you had a typo. Folks seem to be happy to forget that the league was turning on Dennis Rodman before he signed with the Bulls....
When Shannon talks about the age of the Celtics when Jordan eventually got through the playoffs...... reminds me of the barber shop discussion by Eddie Murphy in Coming to America. ".....Joe Lewis was 72 years old when Rocky Marciano beat him...." 😂
8:18 Shannon's face
LeBron's opponents are really under rated.
If Duncan had played for the Lakers or the Celtics, he probably would ranked above Magic/Bird. He played 19 years, Bird only 13, Duncan have better stats and more titles, and don't have a Kareem.
Kevin Durant probably is better than Bird in skills, he shoots better, more athletic.
Curry shoots much better than Magic, 400 3s, 50/40/90, not a good defender, but still would take him above Stockton.
Duncan, Durant, Curry probably ranks above Malone, Stockton, Barkley and Drexler.
Jack Lee Bird WAY ahead of Durant in basketball IQ and passing and will to win and leadership.
Patinho I understand the sentimental value and Bird/Magic saved the league stuff, but Bird played 13 years, 10 good years, 5 elite, top 5 MVP type of year. He was also on a great team. Ask Skip, if he can give 5 memorable Bird playoff moments. Skip said Magic developed a reliable 3pt shot later in the year, just checked, shoots 0.286, 0.200,0.296 in his last 3 playoffs.
lebron went up against better perimeter talent
They are not better than Malone. Suggest you look up Malones stats
ensayofr Barkley's Sun lost with 3-1 advantage, Seattle was the first 1 seed lost to a 8th seed.
Thank you Shanon for saying all the arguments Stephen never made!!!!
Finally someone mentioned how bad the West was during the 80's!!!
“Answer me, Now!” Shannon funny asf 😂
When I first heard someone say Lebron is better than Jordan, I thought they were joking. Jordan is better without question. Jordan has:
- 3 more rings
- 3 more finals MVP
- 2 3-peats
- 1 more season MVP
- 4 more All-defensive 1st teams
- 3 more All-defensive teams (total selection)
- Won a DPOY (Lebron never did this)
- 9 more Scoring Leaders
- Won Steals leader 3 times (Lebron never won one)
- Lebron took longer than Jordan to reach his playoff points record
- Jordan never scored less than 22 points in a finals game. Lebron melted down in 2011 vs. mavs (8 points in 1 game), 2014 vs. spurs (air conditioning), and 2018 vs. warriors (0-4)
- Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (lebron only beat 10)
- Jordan never AVGed under 40% FG in the finals (Lebron did twice)
- Jordan never had a teammate who AVGed over 22 points in the finals (Kyrie Irving scored 27.1ppg in 2016 finals)
- Jordan is the only player ever to lead a team to the finals with only one other teammate (Scottie Pippen) AVGing double digits in scoring
- Jordan never allowed a game 7 in the finals. Lebron's 2016 finals win was a 4 point difference in a game 7.
- Lebron scored 30 pts 416 times in 1,117 games. Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games
- Jordan is undefeated in the finals with 6 wins and Lebron has lost 6 times and only won 3 times
- Jordan has had 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then did it again the next year
- Has had 5 playoff series averaging at least 40 ppg
- Highest scoring avg in any finals ever: 41 ppg vs. Charles Barkley's Suns in '93
- Only rookie ever to lead his team in 4 stats
- Only player ever to lead in scoring, win MVP, and DPOY all in the same season
- Only player ever to lead in scoring and win finals in the same season more than once, and he did it 6 times
- 1 of 2 players ever to drop 3,000 points in 1 season, only other player is Wilt Chamberlain
- Only player to score over 40 pts at age 40 (he did it twice)
- Earned All Star Game MVP, NBA scoring leader, League MVP, and DPOY in the same year ('88)
- Jordan's AVG playoff PER of 28.6 is above Lebron's 28.28. In fact, MJ has the highest playoff PER ever.
- Jordan's peak PER of 31.71 is above Lebron's 31.67. Jordan also has the highest peak PER ever.
- Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron never came close to this stat line.
- Playoffs stats:
- Jordan AVGs 33.4 points over Lebron's 28.9
- Jordan AVGs 2.1 Steals over Lebron's 1.8
- Jordan has better Free Throws at 82.8% over Lebron's 74.3% (almost 10% difference)
- Best Playoff Season:
- Jordan's playoff season record for PPG is 43.7 over Lebron's 35.3 (over 8 points)
- Jordan's playoff season record for SPG is 2.8 over Bron's 2.3
- Jordan's playoff season record for BPG is 2.3 over Bron's 1.8
- AVGs 1.6 offensive rebounds total career over Bron's 1.2
- In only 11 seasons with the Bulls:
- 10 scoring titles
- Won DPOY
- 9x All-defensive team
- 9x All-NBA
- 5 league MVPs
- 6 Finals MVPs
Is the choice obvious now?
He could retire right now, today, and he'd most certainly be top 5 of all time. I think in 5 or so years, when LeBron retires, he'll be top 3. Maybe if he manages to win a few more rings, top 2.
Skip isn't qualified to comment on greatest basketball players. LeBron is one of the Greatest period! He's great at what he does. Shaq doesn't shoot threes either but he's one of the greats
hes a center and bigs werent gunning like they are now so thats irrelevant, but i agree with the previous statement
only top 10 all time players that were good 3pt shooters are bird and kobe
It's true
Lebron has an easier Job going against the east
If he was in the west it would be a different story
If Lebron scored 63 and got swept skip would say he didn't do enough, Michael scored 63 and got swept and it's looked back on as one of the greatest performances.
Why does Skip scrutinize LeBron for losing Game 4 at his house, but excuses Steph for losing TWO games at his house to LeBron and Kyrie? Skip still can't let go of the fact that the Heat beat his Spurs in 2013.
Shannon just destroyed every lebron hater who exists
MJ legit played on a super team....
242okil ppl act like Kukoc wasn't a 7 ft3 pt shooter, Rodman ain't average 16 rebounds and Pippen was grant hill before grant hill
+Lord Fest don't forget about Kerr who was also above average
Pippen is pippen then during and after
Tony Ambrose facts
I guess you guys forget about the trash team he had at the start?
Lebrun was the one who shot the 3 pointer before Kyrie last shot to make it 89-89
Skip got exposed 😢
He's #2 behind mj
Bravo to Shannon on this one. I've been saying the same thing about the Bulls for years. They were 6 for 6 against mediocre competition. They NEVER beat any of the great 80s teams in their primes
okay what lebron played 03-09 thats almost a whole decade without a championship they both had to wait the same amount of time ill give you that but once Michael started going he never stoped
Shannon got the W by a far in this debate. If you've been watching Skip for years then you know by now, he's just a Lebron hater. Skip still my guy though. He hates Lebron just as much as Steven A hates the Cowboys.
Love the dog analogy. I'm using that one. Giving up isn't an option.
When he said the fantastic 4 at golden state I died😂😂
The sound of Skip stuttering his responses to Shannon makes me cheer like a 6 year old
but MJ didn't beat the pistons when they were good. he beat a old magic . and I'm not discrediting MJ he's awesome. but this notion that Lebrons 6 straight finals is tarnished cause the east is bad is ridiculous
what are you on the pistons was still good. defensive killer's. MJ became the goat because of them.
JAMES GAVIN lol the Pistons were the defending champions.
Please
I'm so sick of the Jordan Lebron comparison like damn !!! MJ gone be MJ and James gone be James leave it at that ! They both have their similarities and differences . I close it by saying Lebron will never be Jordan and Jordan will never be Lebron
Lebron is a great player. The best today and the best SF ever. But he has such an easy road to the finals. Seriously, who else the East got? Raptors? Bulls? Pacers?
Bird's better
those are good teams its just that LeBron makes his team that much better than them
No they're not, he's literally not had one legit matchup in the east since his first year in Miami.
Real talk^
Shannon is pure gold. I havent laughed this hard in a longtime. Truly the most entertaining man in sports today.
lebron just beaten the Best Time 3 point shooting team in NBA history .
this Guy Skip bayless lol smh 🤔
Josue Love I forgot lebron was the only one playing. I think it was mainly because of a dude name kyrie.
I thought the Cleveland Cavaliers as a team won on the back of kylie Irving but I guess it was all lebron 😂
Ty Ian thats how everyone tryna make it seem when lebron was bricking shots in game 7 also and kyrie was balling.
That doesnt make Lebron better than Jordan...
And he beat a team that won 73 games during the regular season.
I love you Shannon.
Shannon gave skip bayless that work. you could tell he was really under skip skin😂
the argument exists because LJ surpassed most of MJ's stats, but no one got the point. every year the reason why LeBron needed to score rebound and assist is because his team needed to win, he needs enough wins to get to the playoffs, in the playoffs he needs to score more, rebound more, pass more to get to the finals. stats is just a byproduct of the actual product which is the ring. the championship is the reason why there are 30 teams playing still playing in the NBA. so in order to be the GOAT you need the rings and the stats.
Let's be real: it isn't even close. Jordan is the undisputed GOAT.
Sport fans have the shortest attention span of the general population, case in point, to think James is better then Jordan...lol
The film don't lie Lebron is better
Edward Franklin u must be watching those 2k highlights
"The film don't lie Lebron is better"Same thing kobe fans were saying 10 years ago. During last season people wanted to say curry was on MJ level. 10 years from now the best player in the NBA will be getting compared to MJ, not LeBron. The sports world is always prisoners of the moment.
More than anything it's Jordan's competitiveness that separates him from EVERYONE. The man would probably scalp his mom for a win in whatever he was doing.