Pro Choice College Student vs Abolitionist
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Thanks to this woman for taking the time to sit down and talk with me.
Keywords: Pro Choice, Pro Life, Abolitionist, Debate, Pro Choice vs Pro Life, Pro Choice vs Abolitionist, College Campus, Christianity, Apologetics, Conversation.
Filmed February 26, 2024.
Where are young people getting this idea that pregnancy is some sort of ultra-dangerous venture? The risks are not zero, but our bodies are made to endure the process of childbearing.
@@SK-ou4gtno ones forcing women to get pregnant.
@@SK-ou4gt what does this mean?
@SK-ou4gt But if the government made them then it's fine? Like what is your point?
@@SK-ou4gt what is sex for? Procreation. Don't have sex if you can't handle the risk of getting pregnant. Murder is not birth control
@@SK-ou4gt Don't kill human fetuses because you had sex
Once upon a time women understood that women understood that one risk of sex is pregnancy. If you’re not ready to be a parent, either abstain, use protection or adoption. Abortion should never be an option. A woman has 3 other options.
It's funny how the call themselves pro-choice, yet the pro-life/abolitionist side is the side that always brings up adoption, abstinence, protection, c-sections, etc. I never hear anyone on the pro-"choice" side bring up any other options besides murdering their child.
In this ungodly society a lot of women want to sleep around to become "empowered", it's unfortunate
It’s also a man’s choice. If a man is pro life he shouldn’t be messing around with a woman unless he’s ready to be a dad.
@@Sir_Gugharde_Wuglis The thing is, in a consent situation - I'm not talking about rape, just to be clear - it is the woman, and not the man, who decides whether it comes to sex or not, simply by spreading her legs or not. Which means it is 99,5 % the woman's choice and 0,5 % the man's. And what this latter percentage constitutes is the number of cases when the man somehow manages to persuade the woman against her original purpose. Especially these days this practically doesn't happen, so it's probably even only 99,9 against 0,1.
@@maxmeister5064 it involves two persons, so it’s both people’s choices. Men can also choose to not mess around, assuming they are rational and self controlled. A man should know when it is not moral to be with a woman, especially if they’re pro-life.
My twin sister and I were adopted at 8-months-old. Our birth mother had a doctor that tried to convince her to abort us. Thankfully she could not bring herself to abort her children. She gave us up for adoption and the rest is history. My sister and I grew up in a loving family and we know that God preserved our life! And we are so very thankful!
God bless you and your family. The lord loves you No MATTER WHAT EVIL ON THIS EARTH TRIES TO TELL YOU.
God bless 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I don't think that was divine intervention, as you imply. It was simply the circumstances of your birth.
That's wonderful 😊 God Bless you both!
There is no deity to preserve your life. It was happenstance, nothing more. And if she had gone through with the abortion, you wouldn’t have known or cared.
i was nearly an abortion as well, a bastard son born to a mother with no way to support me. thankfully my biological half brother and i were adopted into the same family and were raised lovingly. every life is precious
As a psychology major myself, this woman has no idea what she is talking about.
This is common for most psychology majors unfortunately.
She seems reasonable enough to me. More reasonable than most honestly.
I don’t agree with her, but she was respectful
Especially when she talked about 100,000’s of women dying due to back alley terminations. No wonder she ran off when Hayden quoted the real number 😂
This is what happens when everyone can go to college. You get people like this who have no real reason to be using their brain to solve complex issues.
I will say it once again….
A pro-abortion person once told me, “Forced pregnancy is a crime against humanity”.
Uh, forced pregnancy?? How about Forced DEATH is a crime against humanity.
First, no one is FOR forcing women to get pregnant (FORCED IMPREGNATION is a crime).
Second, calling “not killing your unborn child”….”forced pregnancy” is like calling “not killing your toddler”….”forced parenting”. This is what we call MANIPULATIVE language.
Instead of saying, “FORCED PREGNANCY”, how about, “FORCED DEATH” instead? Abortion is forced death, since it forcibly kills an unborn human.
In other words: Abortion = Forced Death.
This is the real crime against humanity!
We need to stop making the exceptions, the rule. I understand that there are life and death situations and extenuating circumstances, but those are exceptions to the law. Abortion should never have been labeled as a form of "birth control", as defined by contraception.
Ooooh, I hadn’t heard this before! I love it. Thanks for sharing.
That’s like saying it’s a crime that the food you eat should later occupy your stomach.
Ya its crazy that so many people act like women who were gonna die and medical professionals recommend removing baby are gonna go to jail. Removing the baby and trying to save mom and baby and then baby ending up dying is different then purposefully killing the baby.
Agree with everything you said except for the last part - abortions are never necessary to save the life of the mother. Late term abortions take at least a day or two of prepping, whereas an emergency C-section can be done in less than an hour. The treatment for life-threatening pregnancy is ALWAYS delivery. There should never, ever, ever be an exception that involves killing a baby.
That was extremely well said, and goes to the tactic used by the pro-death cult in supporting abortion. They will go to great lengths to change language in support of their cult. Excellent on you for seeing through the tactic!
Not everyone will - this woman, and others, try to use the argument that many aren’t ready to be parents. This is what they call ‘forced parenting’, and while she didn’t literally say it, her argument was that no one should make people be parents when they aren’t ready for it… that’s her way of arguing ‘forced parenting’. If she had the verbiage, she would support it and use it.
As you said, what we are attempting to abolish is the act of killing children - equal protection under the law for all human beings, from the moment that the child is conceived as a unique human. That child should be protected from all threats, including the threat of being killed by the child’s parents.
You are becoming a great debater Hayden!
Agreed, just needs to slow down when articulating points so the other person doesn't get overwhelmed
Verbal ninja
haha fr@@daved7231
"I'm a psychology major."
There's her problem in a nutshell.
A teenager, fresh out of high school, is not going to have a clue about people, no matter how long her degree takes.
And wrongly apply her. It was wholly unnecessary to add that fact if she was going to explain basic developmental periods of a fetus inside the womb.
Hayden... I say this respectfully, and in full support of your work. Speak to people a little more slowly, and give them time to truly process your words. If they can't absorb the content of your position, it makes it easier for them to dismiss it. So much about public speaking is cadence and delivery.
I think he felt a bit rushed as many tend to interrupt him. It's also apparent when someone is not actually interested in taking new information in, but rather are only willing to argue their position matter what. That's usually why they jump around so much in their arguments.
@@MissArtsyDeee No doubt. I made my original comment in an attempt to assist, not to be hard on him. It is amazing how your communication skills affect others reception of your message.
This young man, Hayden, is really good at thinking very quickly, having quick responses, incredibly well at retaining information and very good at articulating his points. But i do agree that possibly slowing it down a bit and possibly conveying his message with more emotion, rather than sounding too monotone and robotic, might acquire better results in possibly reaching these lost souls.
Ok here is a nonreligious point, if you can't do the time don't do the crime basically meaning don't have sex until you are ready for a kid
"need to leave religion out of it" - Here is a secular argument, "I believe in human rights for ALL humans, even the unborn human." There you go. You don't "need" to be religious to be anti-abortion. Pro-abortionists rules for being a human is "Human plus some arbitrary thing." Very much like Hitler and those who were pro-slavery.
Exactly. The point is basically "humans are valuable because we are humans, that's all. No extra attributes needed". You can try to bring up the arguments about morality and relativity in order to bring religion into it, however, whether one accepts the religious aspect of it is much more unlikely than understanding the premise that humans are valuable for being human.
@@prefix253but why are humans valuable? Who says? Humans? Because over millennia that’s been a pretty rough road.
@bc4351 You don't need to give me this talk, I agree value and morality can only objectively come from God, otherwise it's all relative.
However, my point is this: If you're debating with an athiest abortion supporting college student, there's A LOT that you're trying to convince them. If you base your entire arguments off of religion all the time immediately, they won't change their mind, it's too drastic of a change for their world view. All I'm saying is to ease them into it. Start off by convincing them that humans are valuable for simply being human, all athiests should easily agree with that. Then later on you can get into "well, WHY are humans valuable? Who determines value?" , and THAT'S how you argue for God. You can make it clear from the beginning that your beliefs stem from religion, but if you try to impose that immediately it's very unlikely to work in my experience. It's like taming a wild horse, you gotta ease them into it. Get them to agree with things that seem to be independent of religion, but then bring it back to how it relies upon faith in a higher power.
Philosophy calls it the non-aggression principle. You may do as you please in this world until your actions hurt other humans. The truth is, you don't need religion at all in order to conclude that abortion is unacceptable.
PS: The non-aggression principle comes from Christianity, but atheists still find it to be an acceptable foundation for morality and civilization. End of the day you still needed God, but we can make the case against abortion without bringing religion into it. Meanwhile, there are ZERO good arguments in favor of abortion.
Very true, I used to be an atheist and I held the same belief on abortion that I do now. Abortion should be 100% illegal.
You're doing great, Hayden! Keep up Gods work!
Amazing how phony Christians can't tell what a bullcrap artist this guy is.
Look at her self-consoling body language throughout - she knows he’s right, knows her arguments are flimsy, but the girl social code is stronger.
We love our sin.
She hates herself so obviously hates everyone else while claiming outwardly to be advocating for abortion out of love.
She is disconnected from reality and her parents now get to see this stranger in front of them actively asking for abortion as a form of state sponsored elimination of others.
I guess they see them as competition for food and resources. Truly evil
I thought she was very respectful, and shouldn't have to see this comment. I am against abortion, but this does not help. There are plenty of crazies who spit and scream who can catch that fire.
@@mjgofficeThis is the internet, not a safe space. I said nothing but what I’ve observed.
@@xenochrist15 it's not about a safe space, it's about accomplishing a goal. You are one hell of a keyboard Warrior though. Equivalent in annoyance of a social justice warrior.
This girl didn’t hear a thing he said, did she? Love how she looks around, looks at her phone, etc. while he speaks, whereas he maintains attention on her while she sputtered nonsensicals at him. My gracious, what a world.
Wow. I'm actually impressed at how quickly and effortlessly she moved the goalposts almost a dozen times in 3 minutes when it comes to human value... Ears, heart, limbs, brain.... living, conscious, breathing.... understanding things... living, born.... feeling pain.... wantedness... she has every answer and no answer.
The lengths people will go to, to not change their minds is phenomenal 😮
It's sad to see their argument is no argument at all.
These women talk like they are getting advice from the snake..😢
There are no good arguments for abortion. Just like any of the evils in the world.
Truly! & I never actually hear the argument that put roe v wade into place (& ofc even that got overturned)! Its crazy, they can only think of what is spewed to them and its usually "My body my choice" or some case of the extreme that they are uneducated about.
She made absolutely no sense 😂😂😂
The pro-choice talking points are widely known, tho.
The Christian worldview is the ONLY worldview with Love Truth Morals Logic Science... ALL other worldviews MUST borrow from the Christian worldview, in order to make sense of itself!! 😀 😀 😀
😂😂😂😂😂 what a load of rubbish.
Christianity is not special, humble yourself
@@lesliefuller1456 actually, its fact.. The sooner you recognize it, the sooner you can come out of your fiction and be in reality.
@@BoneHead-Gaming my fiction? I’m guessing that you believe in sky goblins. There is exactly the same amount of evidence for your reality, ie the existence of sky goblins as there is for the three legged spaghetti monster that lives in the invisible tree in my garden.
@@lesliefuller1456
I am glad you have never thought this out and I am the one to walk you through it..
It is easily proven that there is a moral law giver outside of man(*just like Logic*). and morals are NOT subjective.
To argue that morals are subjective(which they would be, if there was no God) is to argue that something immoral like Chomo'ing, was moral in the past, is moral now, or will be moral in the future... and is sick....
If you have a million people who all agree rape is moral... it doesnt magically become moral simply because the rapist said so.. all you have is a million immoral people.
*Just like Logic.*. man didnt create Logic, Man found it.
Parents who go through the long and expensive process of adoption do not decide after a few years to abandon their adopted child because "They want their own child". Nor do they consider their adopted child not to be "their own child"
Yes! I thought the same thing. Very rarely is a child given back.
These are the same people that will tell you a microorganism on mars is life but a baby is a clump of cells
"bacteria is life on mars but a heart beat isn't life on earth, weird"
I remember reading how drs used to believe newborns couldn't feel pain, and if they needed surgery, would do it without pain meds, etc.
A human in the womb can feel pain. There are videos of abortions where the unborn are actively doing their best to get away from the tool thats ripping their limbs apart. Just because you can't hear them scream doesn't mean they can't feel pain.
Sounds like them poor women get pregnant by accident.
It's impossible to get pregnant by accident
Nobody gives birth to patio furniture as a result of eating salads.
The cause and results are always the same
Ain't it the truth.
And then they're being FORCED TO BE MOTHERS.... they're having sex outside of marriage and even then there are options other than abortion. These kids are really being taught this nonsense?!?
@@lissaMJH Yeah I wonder what could make them take more responsibility, be carefull or even better wait untill marriage, insted of using it as a late prevention ? maybe a law that do punish them if they get an abbortion could do the trick ?
@@lissaMJH forced? No. It’s a known consequence of sex. Everywhere is birth control options, more reliably being abstinence. Literally nearly a million babies are killed every year due to elective reasons. In NYC more black babies are aborted than born. Did you know that? Does that mean anything to you? No? Gotcha.
It's always amazing to see people like this out there. If you don't know Christ's love, it's obviously hard to love others. She doesn't seem to understand the pure evil that leaves her mouth. May God soften her heart and change her life for the better.
Amen
Amen! I truly hope so. I will pray for her.
Its not about religion. Its about relationship with God.
Which is religion. Don't try to sugar coat it for the unbelievers. A relationship with God is religion.
There is no such possible relationship. There is no evidence that your favorite made-up deity is any more existent than anyone else’s favorite deity.
@@sandsmarc "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."
@@Mazwizard54 After 2000 years, they still don't have new arguments against God. It gives me confidence that all of their points have been disproven for millenia :)
"Forcing people to be parents."
It's called being responsible, something these people have no concept of, and if they were responsible to begin with, unplanned pregnancy never would have been an issue. But if you really don't want the responsibility, put the kid up for adoption. There are countless couples who can't have kids who would love to adopt it, my aunt and uncle did with their daughter.
Apparently the best way to guarantee fertility is to be a teenager, a drug addict, or a reprobate. They seem to be able to have oodles of unwanted pregnancies. Only married, financially stable couples with so much love they want to share it with a vulnerable tiny life have problems conceiving. In my older age I'm starting to see that everything I thought to be true when I was in my teens and very early 20s was hateful propaganda. I've known my husband since I was twelve. We spent many years apart due to his deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan and we both made choices we wish we could take back...but I met another man (with predatory tendencies..not saying every bad thing that happened within that relationship can be blamed only on him because I had issues that I needed to work on as well to become a better person). In the time we weren't able to communicate I had a son with the wrong person and that person ran when he learned of the pregnancy. I struggled...I suffered just trying to survive and create the best environment I could for my son while being wildly unhappy and absolutely exhausted trying to do the right thing. Now I'm married to my marine and we have a beautiful daughter and he is the very best father figure... going above and beyond not only to our shared daughter but he goes way above and beyond to show my son that isn't his biologically...how a real man treats the people he cares about..DNA be damned. It has brought all of us together in ways I didn't even know to want when I was all alone and rejected. I have a beautiful family and a beautiful life and I couldn't imagine choosing to abort. Even before I reconnected with my marine and believed I would have to work very hard to have nearly nothing...my son was worth it to me. Sorry...I'm very tired and hardly articulate even on my best day. But please know that your panic and uncertainty is temporary. God will always make a way. I'm so beyond happy and content to be the wife of a man with high morals. And just when I thought I couldn't possibly love him more...he asked my son for his blessing in proposing to me. The same night he asked my son to give him the greatest honor of his life by allowing him to adopt my son. Being a good wife and mother...that's the most important job any woman has...it's the only way to improve the morals of generations to come. Just my 2 rambling.. inarticulate cents
@lissaMJH Thank you for sharing! God bless you and your family ❤ you and your husband did the right thing. I agree with you 100%, being a wife and mother is the greatest role a woman can have.
I love seeing you channel viewership continually growing! You definitely deserve everyone's attention for your outstanding arguments and respectful demeanor, your ability to keep the conversation focused and on topic, and your sheer bravery to stand up for those without the power to stand up for themselves! May you have God's guidance and Godspeed!
She's a psychology major... God help us
"I agree with everything."
Her flight response kicked in strong at the end there.
She agrees with everything lol
"I agree"
Proceeds to disagree with everything
"I agree with the morals of your religion except when you say its from your religion."
You’re getting so good at leading the dialogue and not letting it get into the weeds. Keep it up
As much as I'm encouraged to see there are still young people like you out there, I'm sad to see how school has turned every single teenager into an activist. Fortunately, not every one of them is braindead but the overwhelming majority is.. this is supposed to be the best time of your lives.
The best time of your life is when you serve God fervently.
The channel is blowing up!love what you're doing man, praise Jesus!
Perfect example of someone who has never had their ideas challenged. She can't provide one coherent argument. It's alarming that she thought she was ready to debate this issue when she brings nothing to the table.
Excellent video! 100% with this dude. Every argument was perfect. Makes sense. Lord help us! Will be sharing it!
I think you should slow down when explaining somethings I don't think she was able to understand the difference between the foster system and adoption. I think you spoke to quickly for her to get it
I think she ignored it because it heavily undermined her argument. I don’t think she was unable to understand or dumb. She actively chose to ignore.
@@nunyabusiness2945 yes that could have been the case for sure. Though when you slow down a bit and say something with very clear distinction it's a bit harder to just brush over and ignore.
Claims to operate on "facts", speaks as tho she knows wtf consciousness objectively is. What's next? Gonna pretend she is her own god?
They already think that.
I’d be like…ok facts….it’s a scientific fact life begins at conception. There, no religion.
She says she likes facts, then says "her fact".
If it's 'your' fact, then it's not a fact, it's your subjective opinion.
Facts are truth, and truth can't be refuted.
You can deny the truth, sure, but simply because you deny it, doesn't make it not true.
Atheism is not factual. Although they like to think that they are the logical ones.
Hi Hayden, I enjoy your content and have learned the difference between abolition and pro-choice through watching you debate - I used to believe they were the same thing.
I have some constructive criticism for you though, if you are seeking to persuade rather than facts-and-logic the heck out of people.
This girl, although wrong, was civil and conciliatory. I feel you could be more persuasive if you adapt your communication style (tone and pace) to match your audience - be a smidge softer on women like this because I think she agreed with more than she thought she would. You set lots of traps to demonstrate the inconsistency of her beliefs but I don’t think that will win hearts and minds. I think saying everything you said, just a little slower and with a warmer tone might have won her to your cause more. Maybe I’m wrong - I say this as a fan of your work and with much admiration!
These people immediately go to the most extreme cases because they have no real argument. If you aren't ready to be a mother, you aren't financially stable or whatever the case may be why are you out there having unprotected sex? Killing a child because you're irresponsible isn't okay.
Where are these parents that desired to adopt a baby, then after the baby gets older or they have their own baby, that they then kick it out to the foster system?… That is a warped scenario that she invented right there. Has anyone witnessed that situation? I’m truly curious.
Well done sir. You’re a smart and collected young man.
One of my favorite ways to 'course correct' when others go off topic: "Yeah, but thats different," then I redirect to topic.
Amazing content my man but slow it down a little when talking. I do the same thing when I get going (or nervous) but just something to think about. Great work!
9:38 just commenting here as someone on the outside looking in….not feeling pain and not having the capacity to feel pain are two different things. If I am understanding this individual correctly, a fetus at the point she describes doesn’t feel pain because it doesn’t have the capacity to feel pain, whereas the woman in Hayden’s example does have the capacity to feel pain, but in this particular instance she is unable to perceive it. I like this guys passion but I feel that in the pursuit of exact specifics and waiting to pull the “gotcha” card, he may make it difficult for others to understand his perspective. Look to the Bible for understanding:
Philippians 2:3-4, which says: “Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.”
Additionally:
Colossians 3:12-13 (NIV) states: “Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.”
These verses emphasize the importance of humility, empathy, patience, and understanding in our interactions with others, encouraging us to prioritize empathy and compassion over our own interests and viewpoints.
Newsflash, young lady, as soon as the girl gets pregnant, she has become a mother. She doesn’t become a mom once the baby is born. Her child exists, and lives in her womb.
Why doesn’t she understand what adoption means? No you don’t just give the kid back in a few years when you have your own baby, the child is your baby. You can’t legally nor would you want to give it back.
What I like is a candid discussion where both people can express their opinions without screaming or getting triggered.
The Constitution is based on Christian principles. There is no "separation" of Church and state.
The main difference between a born child and an unborn child that pro-choicers have yet to latch onto is not one of mere location or the fact that the baby is still dependent on the mother for food but that the baby is actually ATTACHED to the mother. If the baby is not aborted but removed from the mother's womb, then someone else can feed the baby if she doesn't want to.
She’s awesome. She was respectful, compared to the others..
Do any of these people realize that THEY were that clump, fetus, inanimate object????
Could you ask these people where they came from?
How about ask if every pregnancy from now on was aborted would there be any more people on the earth at a certain point……
“Doesn’t want the child followed by the parents are forcing them to give up the child… that they didn’t want.” ???
Is there an epidemic of families adopting newborns, which then decide they actually only want their own biological children, and then they discard the adopted child? Haven't heard that at all
This is what a psychology degree at a liberal university will get you. She is very passionate, but also very wrong.
I find one of the most interesting things about videos like this is that these people come charging in not expecting the guy who's sitting there with a table and mic to have some knowledge of the subject.
Circle argument with her. That’s frustrating but this insight on how to respond is excellent. Thank you! Great work as always. God bless your ministry.
If you ain’t ready to have a child then don’t have unprotected sex
It's become so predictable that each point becomes deflected by other bad arguments.
Morality is not a religion.
Poor kid really hasn't researched, thought this through, or had her beliefs and claims challenged. In the 1960s, the officially recorded number of deaths from illegal induced abortion was under 300 per year. While there were undoubtedly other unreported abortion deaths, it is unlikely that the actual number was over 1,000.
8:35 “it doesn’t do any harm to them” 🤦♂️ I’m pretty sure you can do no *greater * harm to someone then to delete their entire existence.
Hayden has great patience who listens to his opponent without interrupting. He has great logic and reasoning in his statements.
Young lady doesn't know what the word "fact" means.
USA national motto "In God We Trust"
Constitution written with Gid granting us our rights, not government.
- Godspeed
I was adopted when I was 6 months old , my birth mom had the choice to terminate the pregnancy or continue even though she knew she could not take care of me , I’m glad she chose life , she could of easily had an abortion, and I would of not been here, and my mom was a high risk pregnancy, but she knew that my life was at risk to and if she got an abortion that I would never be able to grow up. Now I’m a Pro Life activist.
"The mother could die, eventually" We're all dying. From the moment we're born, we are slowly inching our way towards death. That's how life works...
I thought Catholics are Christians. I always hear people say I’m not Catholic I’m Christian. Isn’t that strange to hear that if Catholics are Christians? Somebody please explain.
Catholics are Christians. The word catholic means universal. Protestants say Catholics are not Christian as a way to uncharitably separate themselves from the Universal Church. This language has spread into common culture. If you have any other questions let me know. Pax Christi ✞ ☧
@@MundusTransit I hear many Catholics say they are not Christian but they are Catholic. It seems Catholics want to separate from Christians. Are you Catholic?
Your level of confrontation is great for actually getting through to someone. you’re not just out here trying to embarrass people, this was a genuine good faith discussion from you. Keep it up
Brother, you have the patience of a saint. I'm glad you're doing this work and not me because at some point I would just ask the person "why are you so stupid?"
"There are women out there who get impregnated and don't want to be...." Uh... well.... they didn't have to become impregnated, now did they? Choices, my dear, responsible choices.
What about a 15 year old rape victim??
Hayden you are a wonderful man. Every video I watch of you inspires me to talk to everyone about abortion.
People like her base their opinions on their emotions whereas he is basing his opinions on actual tangible facts. She’s gonna lose her shit shortly.
I hate it when they bring up ectopic pregnancies. Its unfortunate but those babies are not viable and its not considered an abortion.
And are often already dead by the time mom finds out its ectopic.
Oh so you just change your definition of an abortion when it doesn't suit your agenda...nothing says 'solid reasoning' like shifting goal posts.
Either an abortion is simply the termination of a pregnancy, in which case there is no killing involved, that is a by product (this is the proper definition that I adopt).
OR an abortion is the killing of a foetus in which case you either have to own ectopic pregnancies, be hypocritical or accept that there are justifications for killing.
@mcbean1
UT Southwestern Medical Center says:
"Ectopic pregnancy treatment is not the same as abortion. The medical definition of “abortion” is removal of an embryo and placenta from the uterus. This includes termination of unwanted pregnancy as well as otherwise normal pregnancy in which the fetus’ or mother’s life is in danger. Note the phrase “from the uterus” - the only place an embryo can develop into a baby."
@@backyardrebel2149 hmm weird the definition of abortion referred to by the UT Southwestern Medical Center makes no reference to the "This includes termination of unwanted pregnancy as well as otherwise normal pregnancy in which the fetus’ or mother’s life is in danger", all it says is "An abortion is a procedure to end a pregnancy."
Which is my point exactly.
Your own sources don't even support your position.
@mcbean1
An ectopic is never viable.
It is also never a "choice".
It is not abortion. Well, let me edit. Not abortion in the sense we usually talk about it. Ectopic usually ends in miscarriage (if not worse), which medically termed is "spontaneous abortion".
Kind of like there's micro and macro evolution but they're glommed together like they're the same thing, but they're not. They do the same with the word abortion.
Lots of foster kids go on to be happy and productive lives. It is so sad to use that argument.
“You can believe what you want, but don’t you dare let it affect the way you live.” 🙄
"I agree with you, youre right... but here is what i heard on MSNBC for why i cant just admit im wrong and live my life with a new viewpoint now that ive been told the truth".
The guy is just being difficult and refuses to see the girl's point.
Excellent
Saying that there family’s don’t want them is horrifying
Hayden, you debate these topics very eloquently. However, these people are not operating on the same reasonable framework that you are. They operate on emotional arguments, not logical ones. I’d like to see you try to appeal to their emotional arguments after they fail to operate on logical grounds. Also, speak more slowly. These people are not equipped to handle all the quick-fire arguments.
The gal is just making things up as she goes
While it's clearer to establish morality based on Christianity, the non-aggression principle will suffice for all humans. Your right to swing your fist around end when it smacks me in the face. You can do what you want in the world until you hurt another human being. You can extrapolate that into laws against rape, murder, theft, assault, and most of the core laws. Don't hurt other humans. This is probably the best answer to "leave religion out of it." You can choose to tell them that Christianity is where the non aggression principle comes from in the first place. The golden rule. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Countless other passages. But most people who object to religion will agree with the non-aggression principle as a reasonable foundation for law and civilization.
❤she keeps reaching for any reason that means its ok while simultaneously not paying much attention to all the reasons why its not ❤
People are so IGNORANT and Uniformed.... God help us.
At some point people have to realize that having abortion because you aren't ready to be a mother doesn't make you suddenly not a mother, but rather a mother of a dead child. Praying for our young people to to have their eyes opened up and their hearts softened.
Fantastic discussion! Your responses and questions were on point!
Human development is way more than 3 stages.
just once i would like someone to realise they're wrong when faced with irrefutable evidence and say , do you know what you are right what a fool ive been , thanks for educating me .
Young people really need to start asking the big questions in life. What is good? What is evil? Who is god? What is consciousness? Etc.... Etc... We live in a bubble where life is comfortable and we don't think about the purpose of life, or our mortality because death feels distant but it comes as a thief and it does not discriminate.
This woman’s main argument is “some of us are Godless.” That used to be almost universally viewed as a bad thing
In the Bible In Deuteronomy 22:22-23, if a man rapes a married woman within a town, the woman is put to death alongside the perpetrator of the crime.
"Do you think the death penalty should be given to the rapist" so essentially in believing in the book you follow you believe the woman should also be put to death so i think you need to read the book you follow before walking around like youre some great moral person because you cant just believe one part and not believe the other.
It also says in the bible
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
3:10 you need to have them respond to your explanation regarding ectopic pregnancy. She and several others have a look that says they do not believe you. They genuinely believe women will die because treatment for ectopic pregnancy is abortion and would therefore be illegal.
just ask them, "Do you believe me?" ... "Why not?"...
I imagine there is a spectrum of things that might fall into the category of section 16-3-107, on one end you've got the obvious stuff that won't be an issue but as you get closer and closer to the other end I imagine it gets very very grey as in was the treatment necessary, would the woman actually die etc and so many doctors may opt to not take certain treatments for fear of prosecution which means statistically there will be women that will die as a result of this section. So sure maybe ectopic pregnancies may be protected (then again I don't know if all ectopic pregnancies are treated the same), but they are entirely correct to believe people will die.
Holy cow who in their right mind would force you to be pregnant how dare they ignorance is bliss
How do you feel about genetic birth defects that are lethal? do you believe a mother should have to carry to term and assume all risk with baby dying 100% at birth?
In almost all these videos people don't know the difference between the foster care system and voluntary adoption.
This chick needs to watch 'The Silent Scream'
They DEFINATELY feel pain
problem this guy does not want to learn, his beliefs are his beliefs you aren't going to change his mind
Outside of rape, why is it never brought up that when you have sex, you are making a choice? We are all pro-choice. Make good choices and don’t dismember babies inside the womb. I realize this relies on a civil society having a unifying ethic of good. …and our society is eating itself alive at this moment in history. But, why can’t people see choices are made before you see the positive pregnancy test?
society should go back to saving themselves till marriage and a lot of these problems would fix themselves
@@avo.avocado Secularism has created so many problems out of simple matters.
He had very good responses. The Abolitionist view looks to be superior to the pro Life position. I didn't even know I was more in line with this than PL.
God bless you brother. Much love for your work!
The baby is never viable in an ectopic pregnancy. What does that have to do with abortion?
Mom: We have steven crowder at home.
“For people to be parents when they don’t want to be?” do any of these gals know how babies are made ? It’s your body and your choice to use birth control and how about not having sex until you’re married. Once you’re pregnant that baby is not your body I don’t understand why people have such a hard time understanding this concept.