The trauma and shame these girls have gone through is so understated. So many young kids in cults go through horrific abuse, neglect and gas lighting. So very proud Jill loves the truth.
Jill is amazing. Look at her…she is beautiful…inside as well as outside. I am so proud of this strong woman standing up for what is right in spite of all she’s been through. May God continue to bless her and keep her safe.
Jimslob & mousy Michelle belong in the same jail cell as Alex Murdaugh. They're as guilty of murdering their family as Murdaugh is. JB & Mousie Michelle killed their children mentally & spiritually.😢 and the bastards did it in the name of the lord. Can't wait for them to meet their MAKER.
In the opening clip, it looked like Jessa looked at Jill like “KEEP UP WITH THE SCRIPT! Stop crying!” Jill was so hurt, I’m so grateful she is living for HER and not for JB.
I truly admire Jill for speaking out against the abuse she suffered at the hands of her parents, brother, and cult. I am so sorry she had to experience such anguish. She deserves all the support and encouragement she gets from others!! #GoJill 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
It's so sad that a father and brother could do all these rotten things to all the adult girls in the family.Jill is a strong women with the help of her husband.
Remember she has a wonderful mother's and daughter relationship with husbands mother and stepfather so this might help a lot because I know that they really love her very much I feel so very proud of her I really hope she stays strong and her own family will be better off with out any more drama for her own younger children
@@gingerdeaton2362 All of the years, while watching the Duggar family on television, I was led to believe that Michele was making the decisions about being pregnant every year. Michele did not seem to have any say about her life either. It seems the girls were sacrificed for the decisions of the boys and the men. No wonder Jana refuses to get married and give birth every year to a child. Jana gave up her childhood to raise her siblings. What her father did to those oldest girls is a sin.
"to all the adult girls in the family.": Adult girls are called "women". Please use the correct word. Besides, Jim Bob and Josh did terrible things to them when they were still kids, aka girls.
I went to counseling as a young mother of four The first thing the counselor told me I had to be willing to break the family secrets to heal. I was scared. I was 30 years old and scared of what it would mean. I did it. I healed. I forgave. May the real Jesus help this family to find the truth of what they have been through. Parents first responsibly is to protect their children. Selling their children’s privacy to make a living is despicable. It will take those children a lifetime to regain their footing. My heart goes out to them. .
And this was the man who was to be their father and to force their girls to go on tv and do this interview made me so sick to my guts. You could tell they didn’t want to be there. And to hear jb not giving a flying crap for them makes me so mad. I hope they all heal but it will take a lot of time.
@@sharonbrown6595 Yes, Jim Bob clearly forced his daughters to go on Meghan Kelly's show, minimize what Josh did to them, and spout a lot of crap. He does not value or love his daughters. Jim Bob is despicable!
@@PB-dq9gi he has blinders on and doesn’t care I was touched my a minister as a teen and told my mom and got beat for being disrespectful to a man of god. I wasn’t raped thank god. I was made to apologize to him for the “ bad things “ I was saying to her about him. She also was good at saying oh that was a long time ago forget it why r you talking about that still? She was so cruel . But it’s the mom i was given so I have to accept her attitude as being dumb and move on. I love Katie’s show as I have been able to open up and meet people who had the same happen to them or even worse. Katie has helped me and I live in Canada. She is a angel in my eyes and I respect her for her hard work,
It is ironical that JB was the one that connected them, after JB and Derick were prayer partners while Derick was on a 2 year mission trip to Nepal. JB and Jill went to Nepal to meet him. I bet JB has kicked himself time after time, regretting hooking them up!
@@patevans3709 I thought that myself Derrick is the best thing to happen to Jill and I think Derrick saw through JimBob’s B.S. from day one and JimBob is definitely kicking himself for introducing Jill to him.
I'm sorry but the parents should be in jail for not protecting their daughters They also had stray men staying on the house around their daughters at times. So sick.
I would bet my left arm that Jim Bob molested those kids. It’s generational. Josh learned this behavior and I also think Josh used his own children in that despicable way.
So many of us had the uneasy feeling that there was something very dark and evil underneath the shiny veneer of the Duggar family. Something is very, very wrong and twisted with Jim Bob. I suspected from the get-go that Jill and Jessa were forced to do the interview. It's so sick that the focus is on covering up for Josh. True repentance would have been having JOSH do the interview, owning his sick sin.
I agree, Jill was forced, but I think Jessa did it because she was towing the line. Jessa was the spokes person for the family for years. Don't know if I'm right, it's just my opinion.
@@LisaKofflerSo sorry, I should have made myself clear. What I was referring to was that he didn't do a complete hour-long confession yet Jessa and Jill,the victims,had to relive their trauma on national TV. JB's clear goal was to once again rescue Josh. I have come to believe that there is a story within this story.
I am not in shock even the body language she had that day she looked terrified. Also Jessa when she gave her the look of don't blow it but can tell she was distressed too. This is insane
I used to really like Jessa. Now she makes me cringe and I don't find her believable 75% of the time. I can't really point to a specific moment where it shifted for me, but I get weird vibes from her now. In the past I didn't. Also she's become annoying. 🤷♀️
Poor Jill. Glad she is out. Jim Bob's job was to protect his daughters and he decided to protect his nasty son. Josh still ended up where he belongs: jail.
i remember seeing that episode, and jessa just sat there like a stone, not giving jill a pat on the back, or something to comfort Jill when she started crying, i thought it was so weird. But now i can see jessa was probably scared they would get in trouble because Jill went off script and starting crying.
I thought this when she was shunned after leaving. But had no proof. I’m glad it’s finally coming out. Jim Bob is truly horrible. I know people who are super close with the family. They even tried to get me to go to Bill Gothard for counseling about 3 years ago. If you ever want to try to interview the guy I have his phone number.
@@rachelanderson5608he wouldn't do a interview wirh Katie! He's not going let himself be interviewed by Katie or anyone especially if he not writing all the interview questions.
Jill and Jessa were made to lie on that show by jim Bob. It is appalling to realize that they were made to minimize the abuse that they suffered. It was not "curiosity". It was abuse.
He did. Jessa had no problem telling it. Jill did have a problem and it was obvious. Jill must have also been remembering the scriptures that say, "God hates a liar" Imagine how much more he hates a liar that forces his young child to lie, like he did to Jill.
They were both grown adults with husband's and were not living with Jim Bob. They chose to do the interview. They are responsible for any lie or story they told.
Well I mean come on , let's think about it. Jim Bob preaches the Bible but yet HE went in court put his right hand on the Bible swore to tell the truth and got on the stand and told a bold face LIE!¡!!!!!!!!
Absolutely!!!! Jimmy passing it off as curiosity is disgusting, and for Michelle to support him in all this is even worse in my opinion. Michelle is a terrible mother (if you can even call her that).
Imagine not only being sexually assaulted, but also not getting proper care and counseling AND having to still live with that person AND having to slap a smile on your face and publicly support him. That right there is child abuse and the Duggar parents should be charged with a crime for this horrific environment they raised their daughters in.
I'm so glad Derrick came into her life and helped open her eyes. He's been a rock for her. She's chosen well! I wish them nothing but the best life has to offer!
This whole story breaking was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I had been in therapy but could never tell what was done to me. I ended up finding a therapist who was able to help me deal with the shame and horrible way i felt about myself. She helped me get to the point i was able to move across the country and start over. I don't have a relationship with my siblings and my parents are gone but the more i am honest with people about my childhood, the more i am able to move on. I still do therapy every 2 weeks and i probably will for the rest of my life. I'm almost 52
I was in the Christian Growth Ministries cult that followed Bill Gothard's teaching as a young person, and I am in therapy at 68-years-old. You never "get over" horrible abuse. He's not dead yet, but when he and all the CGM leaders die, may they rest in piss!
My dear Jill, you are the truth-teller. Do not deny the the reality of what you experienced. Jesus (and therefore God) is all grace and all truth. Keep telling the truth. You are a delight to God.
My gosh. What the hell did he REALLY do to those girls? I do not want to know the specifics, but it seems a lot more than mild, inappropriate touching. The way this group works, there is no way Anna did not know about Josh’s actions. Damn.
I don't think they were one offs either I think he was known to do this hence why they locked the girls room. The youngest sister he touched was only 5 too..sickening
@@LoveMyBoys3 I was wondering what made you think that about Jana? I've not heard her name come up in any of this stuff uff with Josh. I'm just genuinely curious
@@Mellz77 Because she has a very traumatic aura. I truly believe that Slosh may have R her. He went from groping them as they slept to downright cornering them in broad daylight. Think about it, she has zero interest in men. Probably because she was R by her brother.
@@LoveMyBoys3 it plausible. Jana though they say was not one of joshes victims. She was only a year younger so she knew right from wrong and probably would have decked Josh if he came near her. I’m glad Jill punched him as she was 3 years younger then Josh.
This is so disturbing. I did watch the show while it was on and realized that it was not a true picture of a family with that number of kids - but had no idea that Jim Bob was hiding a crime and undermining all his daughters to make money. Michelle is also to blame however.
Jill did not want Josh at her wedding. The day of the wedding and on the show, Jim Bob had him flown in and basically snuck into the wedding. I remember it that day as loving. Sure seems creepy today.
JB doesn’t even know what real love is! He should’ve loved his children and put their feelings first. He is a sorry excuse for a human. Thank God for Derick! He got her into therapy! He loves her❤Jill is so tender hearted……God IS helping her!
I grew up in a cult. I also have been out of it and in therapy for 10 years. Let me tell you, the secrets NEVER stop coming out. For me, part of it is because the experience was so traumatic I have retrograde amnesia, but whenever I manage to remember something in therapy in order to heal from it, I'll usually call my mom up and she'll go "oh yeah, that did happen, I forgot about that" 9/10 times. Between what the cultists are trying to hide from the leaders, what the leaders are trying to hide from the cultists, what parents are trying to hide from their spouses or children, and what EVERYONE is trying to hide from the outside world, there are so many layers and secrets even in small cults it tends to boggle the mind. I bet mystery writers/solvers love it though, or at least love the challenge of finding all of them.
It just frustrates me that the state of Arkansas hasn't done more to protect these children. I'm so proud Jill has the strength to feel empowered to use her voice. Looking forward to seeing this docuseries when it comes out
I always felt like there was something off about the family. No one ever fought on the show and the kids all acted so obedient and robotic. I knew something was wrong. So when the scandal came out I wasn’t too surprised.
The amount of disgust I feel for Jim Bob and Michelle is visceral. There is a whole boatload of karma coming for these despicable parents. I'm fighting for the patience to wait for it.
It’s shitty to think their mother co-signed their dad’s bs and stayed with him. If she didn’t have all those kids maybe she could have had a lick of hope for herself and her daughters.
Let Jill know that she is a heroine and a great role model for her sisters and others caught up in this sssshhhhhhh. Derek has grown on me as man of integrity and a great supporter of Jill
It’s crazy that the Duggars were speaking out about the lgbtq community and it totally backfired and it opened up about the horrible things that Josh had done!
Whether ppl have an issue with the LGBTQ community or not, I think it says a lot if you have serious issues in your household but worried about the wrong things. SAbuse should have been their damn priority not consenting adults.
Jill is so strong. She has had to do so much for her family and the way she is treated now is disgusting. I hope she is doing well. She deserves the world and I hope Derrick is doing that. She is the strongest woman I know and wish nothing but good things for Jill. Thank you Katie for sharing this information with us. I truly appreciate it.
I still have the feeling that Jim Bob Duggar will one day be arrested and jailed for his horrendous "conduct." In fact, it's long overdue, and this IBLP also deserves to be investigated by the FBI, with any and all tax exempt status be REVOKED.
Watching Jill cry in the Megan Kelly interview still breaks my heart every time I see it. It’s clear she never forgave him and never got over it and Jessa’s just sitting there like, “We forgave him…..right? We moved on…..RIGHT?!” She sounds so scripted and detached from what happened. Jill kept saying me and us. Jessa kept saying “the girls”. Who refers to themselves that way?
I always wondered about that interview. Why they would do it. They looked uncomfortable 😕 Jessa is more stoic. Jill broke my heart 💔 with her tears 😢 And the whole thing was forced on them and scripted. 😠 😡
My question is, when are the authorities going to do something about all of this. JB “HAS” to be held accountable for his actions. He’s a liar, cheat, and the sickest one of all. What parent does this to their children? He hides behind the “church”. The IBLP needs to be blown wide open exposing all those fractious people. Then & only then will the total truth come out just like when Gothard was exposed.
@@susansparanormalpennsylvan81 it had on my case too, but they let it go, because I was able to prove that I was unable mentally to do anything at the time. However, I live in Ontario
He belongs in prison. I doubt that there are any charges that would be prosecuted, or a judge/jury would hold gim responsible for, but Jim Bob Duggar seems like a criminal to me from his actions and reactions to serious crimes being committed around him. In my own opinion, informed by many things ive seen in various places over the years. He is the bad place.
When I would watch the show with my kids I would think that some of the ideas were maybe something worth implementing in our family. When i researched it and found IBLP I took a giant step back! I lived with a roommate who had been raised with this and I didn’t want my kids screwed up like her.
Did JB miss the memo that a father’s job is to protect his daughters?!? This is so incredible sad. None of the Duggar girls deserve what Josh has done to therm, and done to their family. JB will get what he deserves; daughters who go on to do great things, and accomplish their dreams and goals in spite of him. They each have a platform built by themselves, and bigger than JB will ever be able to imagine. I’m so proud of Jill for gaining the backbone that she has without the support of her evil father. She saved her sisters from Josh and what he would have done to them. There truly is a special place on hell for Josh.
Sadly, we will see so many atrocities when t comes to kids that are even worse than this. This SA of children is just the tip of the iceberg in my opinion. I hate that I’m thinking this way but looking around me, kids are under attack. Especially girls.
I didn't know much at all about this family when they were on Megyn Kelly yet I thought it very strange that the sisters were the ones defending Josh while he was nowhere to be found. Jim Boob was protecting Josh even then when everyone knew what he'd done. This doesn't surprise me at all. JB is an awful person, imo.
Bill Gothard was always preaching about keeping people's attention on women's and girls' "countenances" (faces) rather than on the rest of their bodies. Makeup draws attention to the face; so, that is OK. ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
I'm so proud of Jill for coming forward with her statements. Jessa is just sitting there not saying anything to support Jill. Jill you are beautiful inside and out. Derrick, thank you so much for being there for your wife. That's what a husband is supposed to do
Jess’s parroted her fathers exact words about Josh. Poor girl. She was so dispensable. I hope she sees you can love people like her parents from a very different life. They will never change. She can.
Its too bad the parents cannot be charged for what their children went through. Does the state of Arkansas check up on Tyler, who they have custody of?
I remember watching the interview. My heart went out to Jill. I remember Jessa was not very sympathetic toward her obviously hurting sister. It struck me as odd at the time.
I watched a couple of the original TLC specials back then, and I knew from the first show that there was something seriously & dangerously wrong with this family. They never looked like shiny, happy people to me.
James Robert Dugger, Sr, is evil personified. Just the mere mention of "Jim Bob" makes me want to gag. These poor, oppressed girls/women may never recover. As a survivor of SA, I understand the life-altering affect this has in one far into adulthood.😢
@@LisaKoffler jimmy lee doesn’t deserve the hate. He never approved of their lifestyle. The fact that Jim Bob dragged him out in a wheelchair when he was dying of brain cancer is repulsive
What I can’t wrap my head around is that we aren’t still talking about the conditions Josh had to meet in order to receive the CSAM found on his computer. It was briefly mentioned during the trial but I’ve not heard anything since. Just to recap the dark web sites Josh got the images from if I remember correctly were a give to get forum. As a means of weeding out cops and plants in order for Josh to receive what he did he would’ve had to upload content himself first. From what I can tell that’s not been brought back up in a while.
TLC definitely is responsible for filming adult children without contracts or with forged signatures. Why do they walk off free of responsibility? I don’t watch any TLC shows anymore because I now see the blatant exploitation.
I remember watching it back when it aired and even then I knew Jill was saying things she didn’t want to be saying. You can tell by how upset she was. 😢
They were told to forgive him. They were told what to say Watch Jessa how she stares at Jill. Jessa is Jim-Bob's favorite daughter just like him. The continued to give Josh and Jessa money from both shows none of the others
These women were revictimized by the police report release...but I agree none of them would have sought help if the show had continued. Its scary to think of Jim Bob and Josh continuing their righteous acts on TV without question. There were even rumors that Josh was floating the idea of running for office! 🤢🤬🤮
Honestly, I’m not surprised but this and the forgery do add like a new level of evil to JB. We knew he coerced them into this interview but going to the level of hiring a PR firm with literal scripts is just so gross. He really reminds of Alex Murdaugh. The only person he truly cares about is himself and he doesn’t care what happens to others.
The contract is INVALID , see The Elements of Contract Law- Choate vs. Inchoate. A MINOR lacks capacity. I used this frequently, job related, the law is very clear on this issue. " Minors and capacity Any person under the age of 18 (in most states) lacks contractual capacity. If a minor signs a contract, they have the option to see it through or void it at any time. The only exception to this rule is if the contract is in regards to a necessity, like food, clothing, or shelter. Minors can only void a contract if they are still underage. If they don’t take action to void the contract while they are still a minor, once they turn 18 and become a legal adult, they can no longer claim that they lack legal capacity and void the agreement without breaching the contract. For example, let’s say Megan signed a contract to be a brand ambassador when she was 17-years-old. She goes on to endorse the brand and receive compensation from the business for two years. At that point, when she is 19, she wants to void the contract and claims that she lacked legal capacity when she signed it. Since she has become a legal adult since she entered the contract, she doesn’t have this option." Minors and capacity Any person under the age of 18 (in most states) lacks contractual capacity. If a minor signs a contract, they have the option to see it through or void it at any time. The only exception to this rule is if the contract is in regards to a necessity, like food, clothing, or shelter. Minors can only void a contract if they are still underage. If they don’t take action to void the contract while they are still a minor, once they turn 18 and become a legal adult, they can no longer claim that they lack legal capacity and void the agreement without breaching the contract. For example, let’s say Megan signed a contract to be a brand ambassador when she was 17-years-old. She goes on to endorse the brand and receive compensation from the business for two years. At that point, when she is 19, she wants to void the contract and claims that she lacked legal capacity when she signed it. Since she has become a legal adult since she entered the contract, she doesn’t have this option. * There are 6 elements and ALL elements must be in place or the contract isn't worth the paper it's written on. Those girls are financially dependant on the good will of the creepy Dad so that is her Cause of Action. So sorry to be so verbose!
I also think about my own adult child. She has feelings about certain things from her childhood. I LOVE that she can bring something up and tell me her perspective, especially if we experienced an event differently. It becomes a conversation where we know wach other as adults. There are things I've apologized for because I just messed up, or didn't realize the impact of a decision i made at the time. I would be a failure if my child didn't trust me with her honest feelings.
@@cassieleigh7400 I wish mine was too. She can't take any criticism, becomes hysterical, or rants about it's someone else's fault, and she's the actual victim. We do no contact with her now. ❤️ Take care.
I remember watching that interview and at that time I felt that Jill and Jessa were not being truthful - I had the feeling they were repeating scripted wording I thought from their disgusting pig unhuman father but finding out nope that script came from Chad Gallagher instead of Jim Bob. Can Chad Gallagher and Jim Bob be charged with a crime together such as intimidating Jill and Jessa by saying they have to do this Meghan Kelly Interview or else?
Money is Power. JB, now, Generational IBLP passing on to NINETEEN KIDS, spouses, children, HIS grandchildren, his WIFE. Kids think they're "fine," as long as JB makes money, gives (or sells) them property, and shows his children, he's in control. JB was strongly criticized for as a father and witness in the Josh Dugger trial, as this exposed his weaknesses: "don't shame my name, and what I've built," What do these now approaching 30ish men, think of how their MOTHER was treated (Protectors?!), with documented "evidence" layered before them? These now grown men, with wives and, children (daughters AND sons😊), have to see this from a different perspective. They have to voice that: for Christ, their Mother, their spouses, their children and grandchildren.
The trauma and shame these girls have gone through is so understated. So many young kids in cults go through horrific abuse, neglect and gas lighting. So very proud Jill loves the truth.
Jill is amazing. Look at her…she is beautiful…inside as well as outside. I am so proud of this strong woman standing up for what is right in spite of all she’s been through. May God continue to bless her and keep her safe.
Jimslob & mousy Michelle belong in the same jail cell as Alex Murdaugh. They're as guilty of murdering their family as Murdaugh is. JB & Mousie Michelle killed their children mentally & spiritually.😢 and the bastards did it in the name of the lord. Can't wait for them to meet their MAKER.
@@LisaKoffler the only one who is honest for sure
@@alejandraalejandra4700 Yes. The only one.
In the opening clip, it looked like Jessa looked at Jill like “KEEP UP WITH THE SCRIPT! Stop crying!” Jill was so hurt, I’m so grateful she is living for HER and not for JB.
Yes!
@@bethneel6749 l second that
I thought the same exact thing when looking at Jessa as Jill cries! Horrible😢
Yep! Came here to say the same thing!
It was Jim Bob that re-traumatized his daughters.
I truly admire Jill for speaking out against the abuse she suffered at the hands of her parents, brother, and cult. I am so sorry she had to experience such anguish. She deserves all the support and encouragement she gets from others!! #GoJill 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
It's so sad that a father and brother could do all these rotten things to all the adult girls in the family.Jill is a strong women with the help of her husband.
Remember she has a wonderful mother's and daughter relationship with husbands mother and stepfather so this might help a lot because I know that they really love her very much I feel so very proud of her I really hope she stays strong and her own family will be better off with out any more drama for her own younger children
To me what is also said is her mother didn't or couldn't I didn't know but why were the girls not protected by her
@@gingerdeaton2362 If Jim Bob wasn't going to protect his daughters, then Michelle certainly should have had the instincts to.
@@gingerdeaton2362 All of the years, while watching the Duggar family on television, I was led to believe that Michele was making the decisions about being pregnant every year. Michele did not seem to have any say about her life either. It seems the girls were sacrificed for the decisions of the boys and the men. No wonder Jana refuses to get married and give birth every year to a child. Jana gave up her childhood to raise her siblings. What her father did to those oldest girls is a sin.
"to all the adult girls in the family.": Adult girls are called "women". Please use the correct word. Besides, Jim Bob and Josh did terrible things to them when they were still kids, aka girls.
I am glad that Jill is speaking out against the IBLP!
I went to counseling as a young mother of four The first thing the counselor told me I had to be willing to break the family secrets to heal. I was scared. I was 30 years old and scared of what it would mean. I did it. I healed. I forgave. May the real Jesus help this family to find the truth of what they have been through. Parents first responsibly is to protect their children. Selling their children’s privacy to make a living is despicable. It will take those children a lifetime to regain their footing. My heart goes out to them. .
And this was the man who was to be their father and to force their girls to go on tv and do this interview made me so sick to my guts. You could tell they didn’t want to be there. And to hear jb not giving a flying crap for them makes me so mad. I hope they all heal but it will take a lot of time.
Kathy, God bless you on your healing! 🙏
Blessings on your healing!! and I 💯 agree…
@@sharonbrown6595 Yes, Jim Bob clearly forced his daughters to go on Meghan Kelly's show, minimize what Josh did to them, and spout a lot of crap. He does not value or love his daughters. Jim Bob is despicable!
@@PB-dq9gi he has blinders on and doesn’t care I was touched my a minister as a teen and told my mom and got beat for being disrespectful to a man of god. I wasn’t raped thank god. I was made to apologize to him for the “ bad things “ I was saying to her about him. She also was good at saying oh that was a long time ago forget it why r you talking about that still? She was so cruel . But it’s the mom i was given so I have to accept her attitude as being dumb and move on. I love Katie’s show as I have been able to open up and meet people who had the same happen to them or even worse. Katie has helped me and I live in Canada. She is a angel in my eyes and I respect her for her hard work,
So glad Jill speaking out on Shiny People Documentry.
Derick's the best thing for Jill. He literally rescued her from the cult. He's giving her confidence and strength to face her past.
It is ironical that JB was the one that connected them, after JB and Derick were prayer partners while Derick was on a 2 year mission trip to Nepal. JB and Jill went to Nepal to meet him. I bet JB has kicked himself time after time, regretting hooking them up!
@@patevans3709 Yes! I love it!
@@patevans3709 I thought that myself Derrick is the best thing to happen to Jill and I think Derrick saw through JimBob’s B.S. from day one and JimBob is definitely kicking himself for introducing Jill to him.
@@patevans3709 Totally agree 👍
@@patevans3709 lol yep its hillarious JB cant stand his guts now
I'm sorry but the parents should be in jail for not protecting their daughters
They also had stray men staying on the house around their daughters at times. So sick.
If there was an award for the worst ever parents, they would win it hands down
Agree 100%
Absolutely right!
Maybe more them one man..?
@@LisaKoffler go away please you are family member, troll
Jim Bob is a despicable man who I genuinely believe thinks he is righteous and above reproach.
I would bet my left arm that Jim Bob molested those kids. It’s generational. Josh learned this behavior and I also think Josh used his own children in that despicable way.
So many of us had the uneasy feeling that there was something very dark and evil underneath the shiny veneer of the Duggar family. Something is very, very wrong and twisted with Jim Bob.
I suspected from the get-go that Jill and Jessa were forced to do the interview. It's so sick that the focus is on covering up for Josh. True repentance would have been having JOSH do the interview, owning his sick sin.
I agree, Jill was forced, but I think Jessa did it because she was towing the line. Jessa was the spokes person for the family for years. Don't know if I'm right, it's just my opinion.
I wasn't surprised really, but I was expecting something about Jim Bob to come out.
@@lisamiller7084 Jessa is a "daddy's girl." She toes Jim Bob's line.
@@PB-dq9gi you are absolutely right.
@@LisaKofflerSo sorry, I should have made myself clear. What I was referring to was that he didn't do a complete hour-long confession yet Jessa and Jill,the victims,had to relive their trauma on national TV. JB's clear goal was to once again rescue Josh. I have come to believe that there is a story within this story.
I am not in shock even the body language she had that day she looked terrified. Also Jessa when she gave her the look of don't blow it but can tell she was distressed too. This is insane
I used to really like Jessa. Now she makes me cringe and I don't find her believable 75% of the time. I can't really point to a specific moment where it shifted for me, but I get weird vibes from her now. In the past I didn't. Also she's become annoying. 🤷♀️
@@MeganVictoriaKearns lier is always lier, jessa Michelle, Anna, some more. Especially proud " patriarch"- biological lier
@@MeganVictoriaKearns kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkjkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkjkk
@@MeganVictoriaKearns female Jim Bob
Poor Jill. Glad she is out. Jim Bob's job was to protect his daughters and he decided to protect his nasty son. Josh still ended up where he belongs: jail.
Jim never pretended any daughter. Why is Jana living there! Jim mental.
No, NOT JAIL; FEDERAL PRISON!!!!!!!!
i remember seeing that episode, and jessa just sat there like a stone, not giving jill a pat on the back, or something to comfort Jill when she started crying, i thought it was so weird. But now i can see jessa was probably scared they would get in trouble because Jill went off script and starting crying.
I am proud of Jill telling her story.
I thought this when she was shunned after leaving. But had no proof. I’m glad it’s finally coming out. Jim Bob is truly horrible. I know people who are super close with the family. They even tried to get me to go to Bill Gothard for counseling about 3 years ago. If you ever want to try to interview the guy I have his phone number.
That is so f ing cool! Katie, please say you'll interview him. I need your facts and logic to cut him down.
Thank you for sharing. Are you in NWA? I am
I sure hope Katie joy sees your message I would love to hear Katie interview him. He wouldn’t pull anything over her eyes. Go Katie
@@rachelanderson5608he wouldn't do a interview wirh Katie! He's not going let himself be interviewed by Katie or anyone especially if he not writing all the interview questions.
@@LisaKoffler I know. I actually did talk to him once and his counsel was horrible so I never talked to him again
TLC pushed it as wholesome family. They sacrificed their girls to keep the show. Jim bob didn't care what he did to his kids. It was the money
Jill and Jessa were made to lie on that show by jim Bob. It is appalling to realize that they were made to minimize the abuse that they suffered. It was not "curiosity". It was abuse.
He did. Jessa had no problem telling it. Jill did have a problem and it was obvious. Jill must have also been remembering the scriptures that say, "God hates a liar" Imagine how much more he hates a liar that forces his young child to lie, like he did to Jill.
They were both grown adults with husband's and were not living with Jim Bob. They chose to do the interview. They are responsible for any lie or story they told.
Well I mean come on , let's think about it. Jim Bob preaches the Bible but yet HE went in court put his right hand on the Bible swore to tell the truth and got on the stand and told a bold face LIE!¡!!!!!!!!
Absolutely!!!! Jimmy passing it off as curiosity is disgusting, and for Michelle to support him in all this is even worse in my opinion. Michelle is a terrible mother (if you can even call her that).
Imagine not only being sexually assaulted, but also not getting proper care and counseling AND having to still live with that person AND having to slap a smile on your face and publicly support him. That right there is child abuse and the Duggar parents should be charged with a crime for this horrific environment they raised their daughters in.
I'm so glad Derrick came into her life and helped open her eyes. He's been a rock for her. She's chosen well! I wish them nothing but the best life has to offer!
Can you imagine having to memorize the script and go on national TV to keep your parents happy? This is really sad.
And then not even get any of the money the show made so Jim Bob keeps it all.
Especially when it’s about something this traumatic and serious.
Tremendous amount of pressure
This is outrageously terrible. That poor girl all of the girls I feel terrible for all of them. No one cared one bit about them.
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This whole story breaking was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I had been in therapy but could never tell what was done to me. I ended up finding a therapist who was able to help me deal with the shame and horrible way i felt about myself. She helped me get to the point i was able to move across the country and start over. I don't have a relationship with my siblings and my parents are gone but the more i am honest with people about my childhood, the more i am able to move on. I still do therapy every 2 weeks and i probably will for the rest of my life. I'm almost 52
I was in the Christian Growth Ministries cult that followed Bill Gothard's teaching as a young person, and I am in therapy at 68-years-old. You never "get over" horrible abuse. He's not dead yet, but when he and all the CGM leaders die, may they rest in piss!
I'm so sorry for what you went through. (((Hugs))) Therapy is quite a gift.
Jill and the girls were not believable in that show when they defended Josh! Their true feelings still came through!
My dear Jill, you are the truth-teller. Do not deny the the reality of what you experienced. Jesus (and therefore God) is all grace and all truth. Keep telling the truth. You are a delight to God.
Katie, can Chad Gallagher be held legally accountable for coaching the girls to downplay the SA they suffered by Josh?
He is one sick man.
Yeah, that makes him a pretty disgusting "Christian," doesn't it?
@@PB-dq9gi Absolutely sickening. 🤢🤮🤮
@@rainydayjane8257 Is that your doggie in the rain coat? Very cute!
My gosh.
What the hell did he REALLY do to those girls?
I do not want to know the specifics, but it seems a lot more than mild, inappropriate touching.
The way this group works, there is no way Anna did not know about Josh’s actions.
Damn.
I think things that happened are much worse than touching. I truly believe that Jana was R by Slosh.
I don't think they were one offs either I think he was known to do this hence why they locked the girls room. The youngest sister he touched was only 5 too..sickening
@@LoveMyBoys3 I was wondering what made you think that about Jana? I've not heard her name come up in any of this stuff uff with Josh. I'm just genuinely curious
@@Mellz77 Because she has a very traumatic aura. I truly believe that Slosh may have R her. He went from groping them as they slept to downright cornering them in broad daylight. Think about it, she has zero interest in men. Probably because she was R by her brother.
@@LoveMyBoys3 it plausible. Jana though they say was not one of joshes victims. She was only a year younger so she knew right from wrong and probably would have decked Josh if he came near her. I’m glad Jill punched him as she was 3 years younger then Josh.
Jessas attitude in the video was sooo jim bob 2.0. Sooo arrogant
Why didn't Jinger do the interview?
@@timestax no clue. Jimmy bob likely didnt train her fast enough
I remember watching this interview-and just feeling horrible for Jill. Jessa clearly looks like a zombie, but Jill’s emotions were gut-wrenching.
This is so disturbing. I did watch the show while it was on and realized that it was not a true picture of a family with that number of kids - but had no idea that Jim Bob was hiding a crime and undermining all his daughters to make money. Michelle is also to blame however.
Jill did not want Josh at her wedding. The day of the wedding and on the show, Jim Bob had him flown in and basically snuck into the wedding. I remember it that day as loving. Sure seems creepy today.
He also got up on stage a did a comedy routine before the start of the wedding.
@@cynthiaconner8601 That's horrible!
JB doesn’t even know what real love is! He should’ve loved his children and put their feelings first. He is a sorry excuse for a human. Thank God for Derick! He got her into therapy! He loves her❤Jill is so tender hearted……God IS helping her!
I grew up in a cult. I also have been out of it and in therapy for 10 years. Let me tell you, the secrets NEVER stop coming out. For me, part of it is because the experience was so traumatic I have retrograde amnesia, but whenever I manage to remember something in therapy in order to heal from it, I'll usually call my mom up and she'll go "oh yeah, that did happen, I forgot about that" 9/10 times. Between what the cultists are trying to hide from the leaders, what the leaders are trying to hide from the cultists, what parents are trying to hide from their spouses or children, and what EVERYONE is trying to hide from the outside world, there are so many layers and secrets even in small cults it tends to boggle the mind. I bet mystery writers/solvers love it though, or at least love the challenge of finding all of them.
Give our girl a THUMBS UP!!!!!
Jim Bob should be locked up right next to Josh.
It just frustrates me that the state of Arkansas hasn't done more to protect these children. I'm so proud Jill has the strength to feel empowered to use her voice. Looking forward to seeing this docuseries when it comes out
The criminal justice system does not care about protecting the vulnerable. They can't be bothered. Just ask Jaycee Dugard.
Jim Bob and Michelle are completely reprehensible
I always felt like there was something off about the family. No one ever fought on the show and the kids all acted so obedient and robotic. I knew something was wrong. So when the scandal came out I wasn’t too surprised.
I knew it too!! I remember telling my mom that something is going to come out about this family. Sure enough!! I bet we don’t know the half of it.
TLC should be held accountable for all of this!
Yes! They need to be held accountable as well! TLC didn't because they wanted to keep making the money regardless of who got hurt or how bad.
I don’t see how TLC should be accountable at all. They were all snowed like the rest of us were.
This is not a loving family like JB was trying to portray. I feel sorry for the children growing up in that toxic atmosphere.
Tragically, many of their children and their spouses are still in the IBLP cult.
The amount of disgust I feel for Jim Bob and Michelle is visceral. There is a whole boatload of karma coming for these despicable parents. I'm fighting for the patience to wait for it.
It’s shitty to think their mother co-signed their dad’s bs and stayed with him. If she didn’t have all those kids maybe she could have had a lick of hope for herself and her daughters.
Let Jill know that she is a heroine and a great role model for her sisters and others caught up in this sssshhhhhhh. Derek has grown on me as man of integrity and a great supporter of Jill
I remember it feeling really unsettling when I was watching this with Jessa just staring at Jill while she’s crying. No empathy or anything.
It’s crazy that the Duggars were speaking out about the lgbtq community and it totally backfired and it opened up about the horrible things that Josh had done!
Exactly
Whether ppl have an issue with the LGBTQ community or not, I think it says a lot if you have serious issues in your household but worried about the wrong things. SAbuse should have been their damn priority not consenting adults.
Jill is so strong. She has had to do so much for her family and the way she is treated now is disgusting. I hope she is doing well. She deserves the world and I hope Derrick is doing that. She is the strongest woman I know and wish nothing but good things for Jill. Thank you Katie for sharing this information with us. I truly appreciate it.
Wow, RimJob is always reaching a new low
Jill should sue TLC for not paying her
I still have the feeling that Jim Bob Duggar will one day be arrested and jailed for his horrendous "conduct." In fact, it's long overdue, and this IBLP also deserves to be investigated by the FBI, with any and all tax exempt status be REVOKED.
The fact that Jim Bob is a politician tells us everything we need to know about him if he was an honest person he have a real job
Watching Jill cry in the Megan Kelly interview still breaks my heart every time I see it. It’s clear she never forgave him and never got over it and Jessa’s just sitting there like, “We forgave him…..right? We moved on…..RIGHT?!” She sounds so scripted and detached from what happened. Jill kept saying me and us. Jessa kept saying “the girls”. Who refers to themselves that way?
When will TLC be held accountable for empowering abusers😡
I always wondered about that interview. Why they would do it. They looked uncomfortable 😕 Jessa is more stoic. Jill broke my heart 💔 with her tears 😢 And the whole thing was forced on them and scripted. 😠 😡
My question is, when are the authorities going to do something about all of this. JB “HAS” to be held accountable for his actions. He’s a liar, cheat, and the sickest one of all. What parent does this to their children? He hides behind the “church”. The IBLP needs to be blown wide open exposing all those fractious people. Then & only then will the total truth come out
just like when Gothard was exposed.
i think the statute of limitations ran out of time on the abuse
@@susansparanormalpennsylvan81 it had on my case too, but they let it go, because I was able to prove that I was unable mentally to do anything at the time. However, I live in Ontario
He belongs in prison. I doubt that there are any charges that would be prosecuted, or a judge/jury would hold gim responsible for, but Jim Bob Duggar seems like a criminal to me from his actions and reactions to serious crimes being committed around him.
In my own opinion, informed by many things ive seen in various places over the years.
He is the bad place.
Those girls will never forget.
My dtr was 9 and so by uncle, we called police immediately and didn’t care what people and family thought,
I feel like Jessa gave Jill the stink eye and hurried up and said Oh but WE forgive Josh.
Yup!
When I would watch the show with my kids I would think that some of the ideas were maybe something worth implementing in our family. When i researched it and found IBLP I took a giant step back! I lived with a roommate who had been raised with this and I didn’t want my kids screwed up like her.
Did JB miss the memo that a father’s job is to protect his daughters?!? This is so incredible sad. None of the Duggar girls deserve what Josh has done to therm, and done to their family. JB will get what he deserves; daughters who go on to do great things, and accomplish their dreams and goals in spite of him. They each have a platform built by themselves, and bigger than JB will ever be able to imagine. I’m so proud of Jill for gaining the backbone that she has without the support of her evil father. She saved her sisters from Josh and what he would have done to them. There truly is a special place on hell for Josh.
I can't believe what. a Narcissist Jim Bob is!! The constant Victim!
Sadly, we will see so many atrocities when t comes to kids that are even worse than this. This SA of children is just the tip of the iceberg in my opinion. I hate that I’m thinking this way but looking around me, kids are under attack. Especially girls.
I've been waiting for this!!
If there was any agenda it was with Jim Bob and TLC. I feel for Jill but am glad she has a supportive husband.
I didn't know much at all about this family when they were on Megyn Kelly yet I thought it very strange that the sisters were the ones defending Josh while he was nowhere to be found. Jim Boob was protecting Josh even then when everyone knew what he'd done. This doesn't surprise me at all. JB is an awful person, imo.
I've always thought it strange that the girls can't wear pants or have short hair but they can wear makeup 🤔
Bill Gothard was always preaching about keeping people's attention on women's and girls' "countenances" (faces) rather than on the rest of their bodies. Makeup draws attention to the face; so, that is OK. ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
I'm so proud of Jill for coming forward with her statements. Jessa is just sitting there not saying anything to support Jill. Jill you are beautiful inside and out. Derrick, thank you so much for being there for your wife. That's what a husband is supposed to do
Jess’s parroted her fathers exact words about Josh. Poor girl. She was so dispensable. I hope she sees you can love people like her parents from a very different life. They will never change. She can.
Curious about the rest of the iceberg.
If wouldn’t surprise me if it came out that JB also did CM and SA to the girls if Michelle wasn’t “cheerfully available “
“The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.”
Its too bad the parents cannot be charged for what their children went through. Does the state of Arkansas check up on Tyler, who they have custody of?
I remember watching the interview. My heart went out to Jill. I remember Jessa was not very sympathetic toward her obviously hurting sister. It struck me as odd at the time.
I watched a couple of the original TLC specials back then, and I knew from the first show that there was something seriously & dangerously wrong with this family. They never looked like shiny, happy people to me.
James Robert Dugger, Sr, is evil personified. Just the mere mention of "Jim Bob" makes me want to gag. These poor, oppressed girls/women may never recover. As a survivor of SA, I understand the life-altering affect this has in one far into adulthood.😢
@@LisaKoffler jimmy lee doesn’t deserve the hate. He never approved of their lifestyle. The fact that Jim Bob dragged him out in a wheelchair when he was dying of brain cancer is repulsive
Jessa looking at Jill Be careful stick to the script we were told to do
I had no idea that jurisdictions were in iblp thing
It is!
What I can’t wrap my head around is that we aren’t still talking about the conditions Josh had to meet in order to receive the CSAM found on his computer. It was briefly mentioned during the trial but I’ve not heard anything since. Just to recap the dark web sites Josh got the images from if I remember correctly were a give to get forum. As a means of weeding out cops and plants in order for Josh to receive what he did he would’ve had to upload content himself first. From what I can tell that’s not been brought back up in a while.
This breaks my heart! Jim Bob is just as abusive as his son. Actually more.
To think a father sold his childrens innocents for a tv show. Disgusting
TLC definitely is responsible for filming adult children without contracts or with forged signatures. Why do they walk off free of responsibility? I don’t watch any TLC shows anymore because I now see the blatant exploitation.
I remember watching it back when it aired and even then I knew Jill was saying things she didn’t want to be saying. You can tell by how upset she was. 😢
Yep, and Jessa looked like she was thinking come on stop crying and stay on script
They were told to forgive him. They were told what to say
Watch Jessa how she stares at Jill. Jessa is Jim-Bob's favorite daughter just like him. The continued to give Josh and Jessa money from both shows none of the others
Yes, they were force to say that, without regard to their emotional and mental health needs. Jim Bob is damnable.
The sideway glance Jessa gave Jill!
This story you did, Katie, was so insightful... I love all your shows, but this one, just covered so much, and just covered so much!
The bottom line of all this leads back to Jim Bob
Jill, if you’re reading this...stay strong in the Lord. God Bless you and Derick! ❤️ ✝️🙏
Do we know if Jim Bob has touched any of kids. I often wonder about The oldest daughter.
Wow. I can’t say I’m surprised their father would do this to them, but how was this legal?!
These women were revictimized by the police report release...but I agree none of them would have sought help if the show had continued. Its scary to think of Jim Bob and Josh continuing their righteous acts on TV without question. There were even rumors that Josh was floating the idea of running for office! 🤢🤬🤮
Just another repulsive Republican.
YUCK 😢
Honestly, I’m not surprised but this and the forgery do add like a new level of evil to JB. We knew he coerced them into this interview but going to the level of hiring a PR firm with literal scripts is just so gross. He really reminds of Alex Murdaugh. The only person he truly cares about is himself and he doesn’t care what happens to others.
Classic narcissist.
The contract is INVALID , see The Elements of Contract Law- Choate vs. Inchoate. A MINOR lacks capacity. I used this frequently, job related, the law is very clear on this issue. " Minors and capacity
Any person under the age of 18 (in most states) lacks contractual capacity. If a minor signs a contract, they have the option to see it through or void it at any time. The only exception to this rule is if the contract is in regards to a necessity, like food, clothing, or shelter.
Minors can only void a contract if they are still underage. If they don’t take action to void the contract while they are still a minor, once they turn 18 and become a legal adult, they can no longer claim that they lack legal capacity and void the agreement without breaching the contract.
For example, let’s say Megan signed a contract to be a brand ambassador when she was 17-years-old. She goes on to endorse the brand and receive compensation from the business for two years. At that point, when she is 19, she wants to void the contract and claims that she lacked legal capacity when she signed it. Since she has become a legal adult since she entered the contract, she doesn’t have this option." Minors and capacity
Any person under the age of 18 (in most states) lacks contractual capacity. If a minor signs a contract, they have the option to see it through or void it at any time. The only exception to this rule is if the contract is in regards to a necessity, like food, clothing, or shelter.
Minors can only void a contract if they are still underage. If they don’t take action to void the contract while they are still a minor, once they turn 18 and become a legal adult, they can no longer claim that they lack legal capacity and void the agreement without breaching the contract.
For example, let’s say Megan signed a contract to be a brand ambassador when she was 17-years-old. She goes on to endorse the brand and receive compensation from the business for two years. At that point, when she is 19, she wants to void the contract and claims that she lacked legal capacity when she signed it. Since she has become a legal adult since she entered the contract, she doesn’t have this option.
* There are 6 elements and ALL elements must be in place or the contract isn't worth the paper it's written on. Those girls are financially dependant on the good will of the creepy Dad so that is her Cause of Action. So sorry to be so verbose!
All for the love of money. Jim Bob should be ashamed of himself.
I also think about my own adult child. She has feelings about certain things from her childhood.
I LOVE that she can bring something up and tell me her perspective, especially if we experienced an event differently. It becomes a conversation where we know wach other as adults. There are things I've apologized for because I just messed up, or didn't realize the impact of a decision i made at the time.
I would be a failure if my child didn't trust me with her honest feelings.
I wish my mom was like you 😢
@@cassieleigh7400 I wish mine was too. She can't take any criticism, becomes hysterical, or rants about it's someone else's fault, and she's the actual victim.
We do no contact with her now.
❤️ Take care.
I admire Jill tremendously. I am so deeply angered how he has gave them a lifetime of so much evil and trauma.
I remember watching that interview and at that time I felt that Jill and Jessa were not being truthful - I had the feeling they were repeating scripted wording I thought from their disgusting pig unhuman father but finding out nope that script came from Chad Gallagher instead of Jim Bob. Can Chad Gallagher and Jim Bob be charged with a crime together such as intimidating Jill and Jessa by saying they have to do this Meghan Kelly Interview or else?
No wonder Derrick became a lawyer. He was going to get his wife her money and bring some light to the shit show that is the Duggar family.
Money is Power. JB, now, Generational IBLP passing on to NINETEEN KIDS, spouses, children, HIS grandchildren, his WIFE. Kids think they're "fine," as long as JB makes money, gives (or sells) them property, and shows his children, he's in control. JB was strongly criticized for as a father and witness in the Josh Dugger trial, as this exposed his weaknesses: "don't shame my name, and what I've built," What do these now approaching 30ish men, think of how their MOTHER was treated (Protectors?!), with documented "evidence" layered before them? These now grown men, with wives and, children (daughters AND sons😊), have to see this from a different perspective. They have to voice that: for Christ, their Mother, their spouses, their children and grandchildren.
They don’t see it. They treat their wives the same
@@WithoutACrystalBallJust like we didn’t see it when the older sons married their wives on Counting On. We were only shown the “fake” happy couples.
Imagine a re-interview with Megyn Kelly on her new show??
Sickening!
Nice work Katie! ❤
How Christian is it to FORCE your daughters to go on national TV and lie?
I can't believe JB considers himself a Ch.