Hey everyone! No one is more sick of voice overs than me! But I cannot control the healing process of my eyebrow. The ingrown hair finally came out yesterday. It was so painful. But I have a massive wound that needs to heal now. No, I didn’t have cosmetic surgery. I’d freaking tell you if I did. Please understand I want to be back, but you don’t want to see my eyebrow it’s gross. Thanks! Katie
I believe Derrick was the straw that started to bring JB down. I’ve always thought he was a good guy and he saved Jill from this cult. And yes, it is a cult.
When Derick returned from Nepal, and the Duggar clan met him @ the airport with Jill; she ran to Derick, and they "front hugged".(horror of horrors!!🙄) I knew then that Jill was no longer a prisoner. Michelle said, about the front hug, "I'm sure it won't happen again." To the TV, I said, "Oh, but I bet it DOES!!" Not so much that I really thought Jill and Derick would be doing a lot of front-hugging, but I could see that there was a rescue happening, whether they knew it or not!
@@NunYa-db7jy I think you're wrong there. Yes he has said some things best not said and has held opinions & beliefs that were wrong, but I think he has learned a lot and will learn more. He's seems open to learning and reflection. He's still forming his world view. Give him a little slack.
I've always had a bad vibe about Jim Bob & Josh. They're constantly touching their wives with subtle remarks about having sex. I, think Derrick is the best husband for Jill. You can tell just by looking at the things she has achieved with his support. JB & Josh are slime.
I grew up in iblp. The fathers were generally weakwilled and henpecked and the moms were the really devout ones dragging along the rest of the family. Not actually "submissive" behind closed doors. All this to say, dont get it in your head that their mother is a blameless victim. She was 100% in on covering this up and not protecting her daughters
@Christine Varvaro why? You think i support covering up SA of your daughters? I would have sent him (josh) straight to some kind of government facility and got my daughters treatment or therapy. Hes done everything in his life wrong for the past like 30 years. I was just sharing my experience and addressing all the people in the comments that seem to think the mother is innocent in all of this.
@Christine Varvaro one thing about iblp was everyone did alot of the opposite of what the proffessed while noone was watching, but were very performative and self righteous in public. Which is why hiding joshs extreemly evil behavior while also spouting purity and waiting to even kiss till your married is not even a shock to me.
WOW! I hope you are okay! I am so sorry that you went through that. I completely agree that it is hard to speak about trauma and brainwashing. My dad was a mean alcoholic, and verbally abused us when he was drunk. It took me about 30 years to even start to talk about it.
Jill is one strong woman. She’s not rushed into this, she’s waited till she is in a much stronger place and with Derrick standing beside her, she has found the strength to tell the real story.🌟
I 100% agree. Not only this, but I've always felt that on some level, JB & Meech believe that the girls actually did something (broke some stupid rule or whatever) that made Josh do what he did. They truly seem to believe that he is the real victim here. That's derranged, but they have no use for females beyond being sex partners and "help meets" which is right up there with indentured servitude, if you ask me.
I bet the response of their parents which screamed you don't matter, broke their heart and upset their self esteem much more. I want to say that I am sorry to them for this extreme betrayal.❤
What a brave young woman. I can’t imagine how painful this must have been for her. Not only what happened but the realization her father used her. The realization that everything she had been taught growing up was a lie. I am so glad that Jill has been able to go to counseling. I couldn’t imagine how difficult this must have been for her. I am happy Derrick is so supportive!
My stomach hurts just thinking about what Josh really did to his sisters. I am guessing they were not his only victims. He is exactly where he needs to be.
Exactly…I’ve always wondered there’s more than one in the family.. It doesn’t excuse his deplorable behavior. He should have sought the help he knew needed as an adult.. But I’ve always wondered if something happened to him as a young child. Was he SA’d himself, witnessed someone else doing things to the girls and copied their behavior, or possibly exposed to explicit adult material which caused him to have unnatural desires..It just seems highly unlikely for anyone to do that without being exposed to it already. Especially, considering how they lived and purported limited access to ppl outside their circle.
Josh molested a babysitter also. I’m sure she got no counseling since you know she was in a family in the IBLP or Jim Bob wouldn’t have let her in his home.
@@harmoniousdesign7785 Josh is a pedo. They are born this way, just like anyone else is born with sexual orientation. That's not to say he couldn't have been so'ed or exposed to inappropriate things as a child, but that's not what turned him into what he is.
@@harmoniousdesign7785 The "help" he got was provided by the church. The whole church is about a system of abusing women. I have strong suspicions about Gothard.
It really really bothers me to think about when Jana and Jill had their wisdom teeth pulled. Jill sobbed about being put to sleep and not knowing or remembering what was done to her. With the context we have now it makes me ill.
Jill is so courageous!!! I am in my 60's and I was SAed for a number of years by my brother 8 years my senior. I've had years of therapy in my 50's and the impact of what my brother did to me still affects my everyday life.
My heart breaks for these strong young women. JB is just as bad as josh if not worse, he's a disgusting pathetic excuse for a human being. Not being safe to sleep in your own home Because of your predatory sibling is one thing, your parents profiting off and making you defend that pervert is a whole other thing.
I'm sorry, but if my brother was doing that to me or my sisters, I would have started sleeping with a butcher knife. I could never have done it, but I would have made him BELIEVE that the next time he came into our room @ night, he was gonna leave minus a 'member'! Guess I am going to hell...🙄
It's beyond comprehensible to fully understand what Jill has gone through. Being forced to go TV, lie about, and downplay your SA to the world? Jim Bob is truly a horrible human being. He clearly doesn't care for his daughters at all. It breaks my heart! I really hope he ends up in prison someday. His family isn't safe with him around.
Thank you for continuing to cover this story. Every time I see pics with Josh standing next to one of his sisters, I cringe. How cruel of JB and Michelle not to keep him away from their other children.
Makes me wonder if there were other victims because michelle never made any effort to keep him away from anyone including the little ones. smh. Also, it really bothers me that nobody seems to remember that he mo lested SOMEBODY ELSE'S kid! Not just his sisters and her story and the impact on her are never brought up.
I’m so proud of Jill, I hope she knows that she’s got thousands and thousands of people rooting for her and admiring her strength. It’s is admirable. Her children are so Lucky to have her and her husband as their parents ❤
The things Jim Bob has done is absolutely deplorable! So many cover ups! And it all comes down to greed and power! Sacrificing the mental health of his daughters and throwing his wife under the bus is inexcusable! I hope he gets just what he deserves!
My heart breaks for Jill and all the women who were hurt. I can't imagine what she felt when that happened. I'm proud of her for speaking up and telling her story. Jim Bob is the absolute worst pathetic excuse for a human being. He threw his own daughters under the bus to protect his golden child and get famous, I have no respect for this man he should be in prison alongside Josh.
Until now I had always heard that they were asleep when Josh inappropriately touched them, they never woke up and it was Josh himself who when filled with guilt went to his parents to confess what he did.
Props to Jill for speaking out. I did not grow up in the IBLP, but grew up in an extremely strict evangelical home. I went through a lot of trauma as a kid and young adult and now finally able to get the help I need to work through it all. I feel for her, for having to go through all of that. The fact that she can speak about it publicly, shows how strong she is and how much of heart she has, wanting to help others who have or are going through similar things!
If I could give Jill a big hug I would. She’s so brave. I was 12 when I was molested so my heart breaks for her that she was forced to do the Meghan Kelly show. Jill and her sisters didn’t get the justice they deserved. They didn’t even have a safe home 😭.
I’ve watched them since I was a child, and seeing Jill speak out like this is commendable and very brave! I hope that more woman, not only in the Duggar family are able to get out and get the help and support they deserve
Jim Bob and Michelle really sanitized that story. Josh was 15 and curious about girls. It was only a little bit over the clothes. The girls were unaware and never woke up. Josh immediately ran to them crying and confessed. That story sounds much better than the way it actually happened.
My heart breaks for jill. She is such a strong, courageous & beautiful woman. Inside & out. I wish nothing but a life full of love & happiness. She absolutely deserves it❤
My mother in law went through this same thing, staying with a man who did horrific things as well and went to prison. She took care of him till the day he died after he eventually got out and was never a loving, loyal husband to her. She believed she was bound by God to be "loyal" to him no matter what horrific things he did to hurt her and others. He was never a husband to her, but of course, in her religion, that didn't matter.
@lisakoffler422 Nope, many different churches over the years. She was just raised to believe , each time he did something, "he was forgiven". It allowed him to do whatever he wanted to her and others with almost no remorse, all while claiming to be a good Christian. Sorry, but I was a Christian for over 20 yrs and it's not uncommon for this to be the case. The system of church sets women and children up for this type of abuse. How many churches have covered up the "sins" of others, for the sake of the church reputation. Not all Christians are bad people but the churches allow this behavior to go on. For awhile, my father in law was a youth pastor and attended a Christian university.
What you described is exactly what Wade Robson, Michael Jackson victim went through. He testified at the first trial that Michael NEVER touched him. It wasn't until he was a father of a seven year old boy (the age he was when MJ started molesting him) that he realized how horrible it was. He'd always been told what happened between him and Michael was love and he had to lie to protect him. I'm so glad Jill has gone to therapy, and as much as we all dislike a lot of Derick's behaviour... you can't take away the good in him that supported his wife in getting the hell away from that cult, seeking therapy and taking her away from the crazy.
I feel for Jill. It’s clear she was struggling through the whole PR ringer of Megyn Kelly etc, I have a feeling she did it largely to support Jessa. Because I don’t think she wanted to or would have volunteered to do it otherwise, but Jessa going out alone to represent them would be so terrifying for her, and Jinger has repeatedly shown that even the mention of it makes her noticeably distressed. I imagine that Jinger bawling through an interview would not have been good PR and they wouldn’t have wanted to put her through it. But as one of the oldest daughters I think Jill felt the need to be there to support and protect her sisters, their reputations, their emotional safety, and the family as a unit. She probably didn’t really process it as a coercive tactic to protect Josh and Jim Bob’s negligence regarding him until much later.
@@Designsyn7 I think Megan Kelly knew it was bs. You can't downplay abuse. Abuse is abuse. "Over the clothes" or not, it's all SA. But she was paid not to ask the tough questions.
@@layneyancey4619 if she did, she didn't care. It was a money making story for FOX the same way it was a money making story for TLC. The same now with AMAZON.
You can tell she has definitely aged due to trauma and I hate that for her. She is absolutely brave to speak up. I have all the respect in the world for her.I felt the same thing in my trauma. I was terrified that if I brought the investigation forward if I chose to it was fracture my family but it was already fractured when my father wouldn't give me the benefit of the doubt that I was taken advantage of and r worded. It is a shame. I pray that time, therapy, and the encouragement and support of Derek (Derrick) will be enough.
I geel so bad for the girls. The interview was heartbreaking to watch. I felt so bad for jill and Jeasa. I felt their uneasiness and pain Dr during the interview.
I feel so bad for Jill because I know exactly how she is feeling; I have gone through a similar situation but with my father. The church we belonged to kept things quiet so he could be moved from church to church. Good for you Jill
Bravo to Jill for speaking the Truth! Katie Jo Thank you! I used to watch this show and I feel so sad for the children of Jim Bob . I hope you all watch this new documentary . I can't wait to see it.
Jill is so brave & strong and I hope she knows that. Narcissists NEVER change. The only way to survive is set & maintain healthy boundaries. Jill, you are a HERO!
Where in the hell was Michelle? I understand the brainwashing but as a mom, there is always a breaking point. Why did she not stand up to Jim Bob and turn Josh in herself? Again, I understand all the BS that Jim Bob put in her head, but the right thing to do is the right thing to do. Especially as a mom and as a woman. With that being said, I do know a lot of family who have been in this situation and it has been the moms who turn the son in. In most of the cases I've seen like this, the dad wants to bury it and sweep it under the rug, but it's the mom's, no matter what tit causes who stand up and do the right thing and protect their daughters. Also, what in was going on with Josh to have even gotten into what he was in to? I also know that in most of these type of cases, where the brother does these things to their sister(s) they were either SA themselves by a parent, relative or someone they know or they have watch someone very close to them like their father (relax I'm not accusing Jim Bob of anything) behaving in such manners or are taught that they can watch porn and it's OK. Bottomline is, there are still holes that do not add up and I would hope that they would also investigate Jim Bob and Michelle as to why she did not protect or stand up for her daughters.
Anna never had a chance, and her horrible father has been literally pimping his daughters since Esther. But the decisions she has made have been terrible.
Unlike Jessa and HER "CHOOSING TO FOLLOW THE SCRIPTS WRITTEN FOR HER BY HER PARENTS AND WHOMEVER ELSE WROTE IT"; JILL HAD,HAD ENOUGH; AND WASN'T HEALED OR HAD FORGIVEN JOSH AND HER PARENTS FOR NOT PROTECTING HER!!!!
I have so many thoughts about this. It makes me upset how maliciously twisted the concept of forgiveness is in the IBLP, how children are not educated on listening to their own thoughts and feelings is a healthy way, and how any type of A is not handled well. So frustrating and heartbreaking!
So much respect to Jill for speaking out. These groups and what goes on is a huge issue. Also thank you to Katie Joy for continuing to shed light on this crazy darkness
Absolutely disgusting how jim bob AND michelle treated their girls....they are BOTH to blame. They totally failed as parents to protect them, blaming them for joshs vile actions is just horrific. I applaud jill for explaining and speaking out , she has amazing support from her husband. X
When I see the Laundrie family,Scott Peterson's fam, Chris Watts I see how taking things to extreme lengths at anyone's expense is common. Evil is common. But Good overcomes evil and everyone sees the evildoers and don't believe there coverups.
Take time to heal. You do a wonderful job of keeping us informed, whether we see your lovely face or not. Your health, just like your family, should always be your top priority.
Jill is amazing and I respect her bravery....I'm so glad she has Derek loving and supporting her thru it all I am just heartbroken for what her and her sisters went thru
Her brother made her a victim, Jill's parents made her a victim and then the media put her through the hell all over again. It's like being assaulted repeatedly. JB is twisting the Scripture, again, to go along with his cult beliefs.
I’m curious to know if Anna truly is staying because of her loyalty to Josh but rather she’s locked into a lifetime contract with JB and can’t leave. Hmm wish I knew.
So Anna is willing to push her kids off on others to show her loyalty. She will abandon her children because Josh can't live with them when he gets out. It is unreal what lengths Jim Bob and Michelle have gone to to cover up for Josh. The fact that Michelle never stood up for her daughters. Would they have spoken up for them if Joe Blow off the street had SA'D one of them? Would they have let that slide too?
When I first started watching this show, I was so inspired by this family and how they raised their kids. As I got older, the sickness if it all started to become more obvious. The cult like mentality is a gross. Jim Bob is a narcissistic sociopath. Michelle is not innocent and I blame her even more! I am glad that these girls are breaking away from this abusive narrative. 🙏🏾
I’m a Christian and was in a very abused marriage. My preacher told me the greatest gift God gave us was the gift of common sense. God loves us so much, he doesn’t want us ( and our children) to be in an unsafe environment. God gave us the gift of free will. As much as we want our marriage to work, if our husband doesn’t want to change, then we must leave.
I come from a cult that is a bit left of the IBLP, as in not as extremist but still really bad. I have retrograde amnesia for 2 years of my adolescence, and what I DO remember my dad tells me didn't happen, even with proof. And my parents left the cult years ago, shortly after I did. I can't even imagine what all of that would have been like on national TV omg.... What I can say based on similar experience is that she's being strong because she has to, because she hit a breaking point where whether or not to be quiet felt like life or death in her mind. She made the right choice, and that saves you, but it also breaks you. I used to tell my therapist that I didn't even feel like broken glass, but rather broken glass ground down into granular sand, and that recovering didn't just mean putting pieces back together but figuring out what on earth those pieces could have looked like to begin with. Jill has a long road ahead of her, but as someone ten years down that road, it's worth it. Every little victory means something, there are bad days but for the first time there are also good ones. You learn which people really love you, and watch in awe as they stand by your side because you've been conditioned that there's no way in hell you deserve them to. Jill is strong, I really believe she'll come through this, but it can only help to send her notes and affection to let her know she's on the right path, because I can almost guarantee you there's at least 10 times a day she doubts that. Bonus points if it includes a Bible verse because even if you don't believe it probably still acts as an anchor for her. C-PTSD is something I wouldn't wish on the worst of humanity, nevermind someone good like most of these kids seem to be. I wish them all the best and all the love they deserve.
@@LisaKoffler Thanks for the update on who's where, I can't keep totally up to date because watching quiverfull content can be triggering. I hope I can watch the docu-series though. I can't speak for everyone but the reason my parents joined a cult was that said cult got to my mother. She grew up in an abusive household and her mother died when she was young, because of that she was afraid she couldn't/wouldn't know how to be a good mom to her own kids. Our cult promised her that if she did what they said we were guaranteed to be okay as adults. That's the kind of tactics these groups use. What got my parents out was I stumbled a bit (or a lot) after leaving the cult. The world outside literally felt like wonderland, everything felt backwards or upside-down and I got lost pretty quickly. After a few months I got overwhelmed and I ended up in the hospital. My mom dropped out of the cult soon after that because she realized that her whole reason for joining had been bullshit. In a way she was a victim too, they took advantage of her previous trauma to get to her kids. That's the story if you're interested. It was 10 years ago and I'm a lot better now and try to speak up about the experience when I can, to try to keep others out of these groups
I’m sure this will get lost in the comments but I live for Duggar updates on this channel so I can get high on edibles and eat junk food while watching (guilty pleasure!). Love you KJ
There was one episode in which one of the producers said that Jim Bob did not trust them at first, and would follow them everywhere, but later they became like family. I agree that It's always been JB that's been in charge.
She's a mother first, and there is no reason for her to coddle and protect a SO at the expense of her children and future grandchildren. That's not being a good Christian or a good mother.
Jill has always been treated worse, now we know why. In JBs eyes Jill was the one who "started" the whole process. he should be treating Josh the way he treats Jill.
Derek has the highest education among the entire extended family and has better insight and you know he shares these with Jill. And fortunately for Jill her husband encourages her to be forthright and speak for herself. Jill and Derek have the ability to be financially independent from Jim Bob and doesn’t have to be under his commands.
I’ve pre ordered Jill’s book. I hope her book helps her sisters to find their real voices so they can all heal together! Coming out of any cult is so hard!
I just KNEW those poor girls were reading scripts. "A boy who was a little overcurious," I could hear those words straight from Jim bobs mouth as poor Jill was forced to say them
Every time I watch that MK interview with Jessa and Jill, I can't help but notice how cold Jessa is. She's so withdrawn from her feelings and protecting the family ego, she doesn't exhibit any feelings. Stoicism is weird for a SA survivor that has done the work. It signals to me she hasn't actually processed what happened. She's just robotically reciting the family cover story.
Hope you feel better very soon. This is an excellent post, believe me. The truth that makes total sense. You have said it in such a way that even the simplest of us can understand fully! Thank you so so much!!
Everytime an image flashes up and Josh is holding a baby girl and his hand is hidden I cringe. I think Jessa was on the Megan show to keep Jill in line. They needed Jill because she was the reporter. Jessa I think is a pragmatist at the time she was beholden to her father for housing and income.
An Arkansan here, this family is a cult! There is no way anyone could think the life they live is ok. It’s so messed up. If you have 20 kids, how can you truly care for, spend time with and monitor their well being? When I was on Facebook so many people were all waah! Momma miscarried with baby #20! What?! You are a crap mother! She didn’t care for her kids like she should have! I had 3 and it wasn’t easy! I can’t imagine 20! You’re not a mother! The kids are raising each other and weren’t policed!!
Wow, the pain she is still going through is deep. Any normal parent' heart would break into a thousand pieces hearing their daughters side of what happened....bit JiimBob and Michelle. Horrific. If they only realize the lifestyle THEY chose was wrong, dangerous and life changing for their family i think the children could begin to heal. Jill is the star of the family, the light at thend of the tunnel - shes an inspiration of strength, will, courage and the avocate for all those in similar situations. She amazing! Challenger her is to challenge yourself in the duggsr world.
Hey everyone! No one is more sick of voice overs than me! But I cannot control the healing process of my eyebrow. The ingrown hair finally came out yesterday. It was so painful. But I have a massive wound that needs to heal now.
No, I didn’t have cosmetic surgery. I’d freaking tell you if I did.
Please understand I want to be back, but you don’t want to see my eyebrow it’s gross.
Thanks!
Katie
Hope it heals quickly and you feel better soon!!!
Feel better soon ❤️
Did you have micro blading that caused it?
Voiceovers don't bother me at all. I'm often playing solitaire when I listen to your videos anyhow. It's never been a dealbreaker.
@@Kate-ip8ulno, I have never done micro blading. I don’t have tattoos and I hate needles
I believe Derrick was the straw that started to bring JB down. I’ve always thought he was a good guy and he saved Jill from this cult. And yes, it is a cult.
When Derick returned from Nepal, and the Duggar clan met him @ the airport with Jill; she ran to Derick, and they "front hugged".(horror of horrors!!🙄) I knew then that Jill was no longer a prisoner. Michelle said, about the front hug, "I'm sure it won't happen again." To the TV, I said,
"Oh, but I bet it DOES!!" Not so much that I really thought Jill and Derick would be doing a lot of front-hugging, but I could see that there was a rescue happening, whether they knew it or not!
He is not a good guy. He just happens to be the enemy of another bad guy.
@@NunYa-db7jy I think you're wrong there. Yes he has said some things best not said and has held opinions & beliefs that were wrong, but I think he has learned a lot and will learn more. He's seems open to learning and reflection. He's still forming his world view. Give him a little slack.
I've always had a bad vibe about Jim Bob & Josh. They're constantly touching their wives with subtle remarks about having sex.
I, think Derrick is the best husband for Jill. You can tell just by looking at the things she has achieved with his support. JB & Josh are slime.
@@NunYa-db7jy better not judge. He at least has a CAREER and educated himself to care for his wife and children. There is a lot of good in Derrick.
I grew up in iblp. The fathers were generally weakwilled and henpecked and the moms were the really devout ones dragging along the rest of the family. Not actually "submissive" behind closed doors. All this to say, dont get it in your head that their mother is a blameless victim. She was 100% in on covering this up and not protecting her daughters
@Christine Varvaro why? You think i support covering up SA of your daughters? I would have sent him (josh) straight to some kind of government facility and got my daughters treatment or therapy. Hes done everything in his life wrong for the past like 30 years.
I was just sharing my experience and addressing all the people in the comments that seem to think the mother is innocent in all of this.
@Christine Varvaro one thing about iblp was everyone did alot of the opposite of what the proffessed while noone was watching, but were very performative and self righteous in public. Which is why hiding joshs extreemly evil behavior while also spouting purity and waiting to even kiss till your married is not even a shock to me.
Props to Jill! I know it not easy to speak about trauma and brain washing she lived through. I couldn’t talk about it for 40 years ☮️💗🙏
I hope that you are okay and feel more healed now. Hugs to you❤️
I’m so very sorry you went through that. My heart hurts for you.
I’m sorry that someone hurt you. I hope that you have received counseling and you’re able to heal. Love & light to you. ❤️
WOW! I hope you are okay! I am so sorry that you went through that. I completely agree that it is hard to speak about trauma and brainwashing. My dad was a mean alcoholic, and verbally abused us when he was drunk. It took me about 30 years to even start to talk about it.
@@peggyknecht5551 😭
Jill is one strong woman. She’s not rushed into this, she’s waited till she is in a much stronger place and with Derrick standing beside her, she has found the strength to tell the real story.🌟
I bet the abuse by Josh of his sisters is way worse than we even know at this point.
I 100% agree. Not only this, but I've always felt that on some level, JB & Meech believe that the girls actually did something (broke some stupid rule or whatever) that made Josh do what he did. They truly seem to believe that he is the real victim here. That's derranged, but they have no use for females beyond being sex partners and "help meets" which is right up there with indentured servitude, if you ask me.
Yes agreed. I believe what was publicized about Josh's behavior is only the tip of the iceberg.
I bet the response of their parents which screamed you don't matter, broke their heart and upset their self esteem much more. I want to say that I am sorry to them for this extreme betrayal.❤
Yes
@@LisaKoffler
I am shocked CPS never looked into this. The kids need to be with loving, responsible people.
What a brave young woman. I can’t imagine how painful this must have been for her. Not only what happened but the realization her father used her. The realization that everything she had been taught growing up was a lie. I am so glad that Jill has been able to go to counseling. I couldn’t imagine how difficult this must have been for her. I am happy Derrick is so supportive!
My stomach hurts just thinking about what Josh really did to his sisters.
I am guessing they were not his only victims.
He is exactly where he needs to be.
Exactly…I’ve always wondered there’s more than one in the family.. It doesn’t excuse his deplorable behavior. He should have sought the help he knew needed as an adult.. But I’ve always wondered if something happened to him as a young child. Was he SA’d himself, witnessed someone else doing things to the girls and copied their behavior, or possibly exposed to explicit adult material which caused him to have unnatural desires..It just seems highly unlikely for anyone to do that without being exposed to it already. Especially, considering how they lived and purported limited access to ppl outside their circle.
Josh molested a babysitter also. I’m sure she got no counseling since you know she was in a family in the IBLP or Jim Bob wouldn’t have let her in his home.
@@harmoniousdesign7785 Josh is a pedo. They are born this way, just like anyone else is born with sexual orientation. That's not to say he couldn't have been so'ed or exposed to inappropriate things as a child, but that's not what turned him into what he is.
You thinking maybe his younger brothers. I'm just saying
@@harmoniousdesign7785 The "help" he got was provided by the church. The whole church is about a system of abusing women. I have strong suspicions about Gothard.
Jill is a warrior❤ I hope she knows how many people stand by her and understand that what her family did was wrong.
This is not not a wife's responsibility to stand by a deviant. Josh just keeps abusing Anna over and over. And this is what Anna gets.
Jim Bob treats Michelle like trash. Josh treats Anna like trash. Chip off the old block.
@@Emper0rH0rde I totally agree! Children learn behaviors, good and bad, from their parents. Josh learned it by watching JimBob.
Anna needs to ask God for a way out of this.
@@Emper0rH0rde and all these women do is smile. I'm sorry I can't
@@LisaKoffler You mean the apple doesn’t ROT far from the tree!
Shame on Michelle for not stepping up for her daughters
It really really bothers me to think about when Jana and Jill had their wisdom teeth pulled. Jill sobbed about being put to sleep and not knowing or remembering what was done to her. With the context we have now it makes me ill.
I never put two and two together 🥺🥺🥺
Ya, that really bothered me..... Still does. I feel so bad for the girls raised in these environments.
Jill is so courageous!!! I am in my 60's and I was SAed for a number of years by my brother 8 years my senior. I've had years of therapy in my 50's and the impact of what my brother did to me still affects my everyday life.
Props to Jill! She deserves every penny from the show and throwing her dad in the trash at the same time! I will 💯 watch. She’s so strong!
She is not being paid for this show either, but she knew that before she agreed to it.
@@barb-jm7990 really, Did she say that?
@@jennk7987She did
So true....
My heart breaks for these strong young women. JB is just as bad as josh if not worse, he's a disgusting pathetic excuse for a human being. Not being safe to sleep in your own home Because of your predatory sibling is one thing, your parents profiting off and making you defend that pervert is a whole other thing.
I couldn’t have said it any better!!
I'm sorry, but if my brother was doing that to me or my sisters, I would have started sleeping with a butcher knife. I could never have done it, but I would have made him BELIEVE that the next time he came into our room @ night, he was gonna leave minus a 'member'! Guess I am going to hell...🙄
@@gottabme Someone like him would have turned the knife back on you.
@@pechaa Probably, but I would have gone down fighting!!
My husband is very proud of our 5 children but we raised them to be accountable for their actions and mistakes 😢
I'm very proud with how brave Jill is.
It's beyond comprehensible to fully understand what Jill has gone through. Being forced to go TV, lie about, and downplay your SA to the world? Jim Bob is truly a horrible human being. He clearly doesn't care for his daughters at all. It breaks my heart! I really hope he ends up in prison someday. His family isn't safe with him around.
Thank you for continuing to cover this story. Every time I see pics with Josh standing next to one of his sisters, I cringe. How cruel of JB and Michelle not to keep him away from their other children.
Makes me wonder if there were other victims because michelle never made any effort to keep him away from anyone including the little ones. smh. Also, it really bothers me that nobody seems to remember that he mo lested SOMEBODY ELSE'S kid! Not just his sisters and her story and the impact on her are never brought up.
Jill needs to know people believe her & believe in her. You are a “rock” Jill.
So disgusting and disturbing Jim Bob is a horrible father !! Good for Jill she is so brave !!
They're just horrible people, period.
A father not protecting his daughters. Wow!
I’m so proud of Jill, I hope she knows that she’s got thousands and thousands of people rooting for her and admiring her strength. It’s is admirable. Her children are so
Lucky to have her and her husband as their parents ❤
The things Jim Bob has done is absolutely deplorable! So many cover ups! And it all comes down to greed and power! Sacrificing the mental health of his daughters and throwing his wife under the bus is inexcusable! I hope he gets just what he deserves!
My heart breaks for Jill and all the women who were hurt. I can't imagine what she felt when that happened. I'm proud of her for speaking up and telling her story. Jim Bob is the absolute worst pathetic excuse for a human being. He threw his own daughters under the bus to protect his golden child and get famous, I have no respect for this man he should be in prison alongside Josh.
Joshua learned this crap from someone.
Josh learned his appalling behavior. I bet Jim Bob abused him.
Until now I had always heard that they were asleep when Josh inappropriately touched them, they never woke up and it was Josh himself who when filled with guilt went to his parents to confess what he did.
Props to Jill for speaking out. I did not grow up in the IBLP, but grew up in an extremely strict evangelical home. I went through a lot of trauma as a kid and young adult and now finally able to get the help I need to work through it all. I feel for her, for having to go through all of that. The fact that she can speak about it publicly, shows how strong she is and how much of heart she has, wanting to help others who have or are going through similar things!
If I could give Jill a big hug I would. She’s so brave. I was 12 when I was molested so my heart breaks for her that she was forced to do the Meghan Kelly show. Jill and her sisters didn’t get the justice they deserved. They didn’t even have a safe home 😭.
If all this is true JimBob is guilty of covering up a felony, JB could go to jail
it's factually proveable and true - they weren't charged
@@WithoutACrystalBall, Well we all know that money talks and bu%% sh*& walks
He needs to go to jail!
It makes me sick. By watching this show we all contributed to the exploitation of these kids. Boycott TLC and reality TV.
I find this whole thing sad and very disturbing….. JB should be in prison with his son.
THIS!!!
I’ve watched them since I was a child, and seeing Jill speak out like this is commendable and very brave! I hope that more woman, not only in the Duggar family are able to get out and get the help and support they deserve
Jim Bob and Michelle really sanitized that story. Josh was 15 and curious about girls. It was only a little bit over the clothes. The girls were unaware and never woke up. Josh immediately ran to them crying and confessed. That story sounds much better than the way it actually happened.
Exactly, it's been known for a long while that one of the girls did wake up and punched him.
I guess lying is ok, when you are a christian looking for fame.
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@@powderandpaint14 Good for her.
We all know what we heard was about 10% of what really happened.
Jill is so brave and say what you will about Derrick, but I think Jill found such a good, supportive husband there. They make a good team.
💗 Jill Duggar Dillard 💗 and Derrick for supporting his wife
My heart breaks for jill. She is such a strong, courageous & beautiful woman. Inside & out. I wish nothing but a life full of love & happiness. She absolutely deserves it❤
Please tell Jill she’s got it! Millions of us support her and her wonderful supportive husband
What a strong woman! I hope she can heal from this pain. I hope the other kids can get some peace as well.
I hope her talking about this and being open with the public will be a big step in the healing process.
So proud of Jill!
My mother in law went through this same thing, staying with a man who did horrific things as well and went to prison. She took care of him till the day he died after he eventually got out and was never a loving, loyal husband to her. She believed she was bound by God to be "loyal" to him no matter what horrific things he did to hurt her and others. He was never a husband to her, but of course, in her religion, that didn't matter.
It's so sick that many churches push this. I hope she has/had a good life after he was gone.❤
How deceived she was and how terrible for the children.
It is not that unusual for a wife to stick by a man who is a pedophile, and not just in cults.
@@Kate-ip8ul
As a woman I have to say, that stuff like that shows how stupid some women are.
@lisakoffler422 Nope, many different churches over the years. She was just raised to believe , each time he did something, "he was forgiven". It allowed him to do whatever he wanted to her and others with almost no remorse, all while claiming to be a good Christian. Sorry, but I was a Christian for over 20 yrs and it's not uncommon for this to be the case. The system of church sets women and children up for this type of abuse. How many churches have covered up the "sins" of others, for the sake of the church reputation. Not all Christians are bad people but the churches allow this behavior to go on. For awhile, my father in law was a youth pastor and attended a Christian university.
What you described is exactly what Wade Robson, Michael Jackson victim went through. He testified at the first trial that Michael NEVER touched him. It wasn't until he was a father of a seven year old boy (the age he was when MJ started molesting him) that he realized how horrible it was. He'd always been told what happened between him and Michael was love and he had to lie to protect him. I'm so glad Jill has gone to therapy, and as much as we all dislike a lot of Derick's behaviour... you can't take away the good in him that supported his wife in getting the hell away from that cult, seeking therapy and taking her away from the crazy.
KEEP SPEAKING THE TRUTH JILL!!! You are helping so many woman gain strength by your courage. You represent hope! This is what real Christianity is.
I feel for Jill. It’s clear she was struggling through the whole PR ringer of Megyn Kelly etc, I have a feeling she did it largely to support Jessa. Because I don’t think she wanted to or would have volunteered to do it otherwise, but Jessa going out alone to represent them would be so terrifying for her, and Jinger has repeatedly shown that even the mention of it makes her noticeably distressed. I imagine that Jinger bawling through an interview would not have been good PR and they wouldn’t have wanted to put her through it. But as one of the oldest daughters I think Jill felt the need to be there to support and protect her sisters, their reputations, their emotional safety, and the family as a unit. She probably didn’t really process it as a coercive tactic to protect Josh and Jim Bob’s negligence regarding him until much later.
do you think Megan Kelly knew the truth the whole time?
@@Designsyn7 I think Megan Kelly knew it was bs. You can't downplay abuse. Abuse is abuse. "Over the clothes" or not, it's all SA. But she was paid not to ask the tough questions.
Jill was conditioned to never say no to her father. In her mind at the time, she didn't have a choice.
@@layneyancey4619 if she did, she didn't care. It was a money making story for FOX the same way it was a money making story for TLC. The same now with AMAZON.
Michelle n Jim need to go to prison for the rest of their lives PERIOD!
You can tell she has definitely aged due to trauma and I hate that for her. She is absolutely brave to speak up. I have all the respect in the world for her.I felt the same thing in my trauma. I was terrified that if I brought the investigation forward if I chose to it was fracture my family but it was already fractured when my father wouldn't give me the benefit of the doubt that I was taken advantage of and r worded. It is a shame. I pray that time, therapy, and the encouragement and support of Derek (Derrick) will be enough.
She's just aged because she's older now, totally normal.
I think she looks great
I’m so proud of Jill and so heartbroken for all of those children still under JB’s thumb. I cannot imagine growing up that way
I geel so bad for the girls. The interview was heartbreaking to watch. I felt so bad for jill and Jeasa. I felt their uneasiness and pain Dr during the interview.
I feel so bad for Jill because I know exactly how she is feeling; I have gone through a similar situation but with my father. The church we belonged to kept things quiet so he could be moved from church to church. Good for you Jill
Bravo to Jill for speaking the Truth!
Katie Jo Thank you!
I used to watch this show and I feel so sad for the children of Jim Bob . I hope you all watch this new documentary . I can't wait to see it.
THEY WROTE A BOOK! Jill and Derek wrote a book. It’s about to get interesting y’all!
Jim Bob forced them to lie in that interview. He is the one with bad character.
Ahhhh! It's SO messed up to use someone's faith to manipulate them. 🤬
Jill is so brave & strong and I hope she knows that. Narcissists NEVER change. The only way to survive is set & maintain healthy boundaries. Jill, you are a HERO!
Where in the hell was Michelle? I understand the brainwashing but as a mom, there is always a breaking point. Why did she not stand up to Jim Bob and turn Josh in herself? Again, I understand all the BS that Jim Bob put in her head, but the right thing to do is the right thing to do. Especially as a mom and as a woman. With that being said, I do know a lot of family who have been in this situation and it has been the moms who turn the son in. In most of the cases I've seen like this, the dad wants to bury it and sweep it under the rug, but it's the mom's, no matter what tit causes who stand up and do the right thing and protect their daughters. Also, what in was going on with Josh to have even gotten into what he was in to? I also know that in most of these type of cases, where the brother does these things to their sister(s) they were either SA themselves by a parent, relative or someone they know or they have watch someone very close to them like their father (relax I'm not accusing Jim Bob of anything) behaving in such manners or are taught that they can watch porn and it's OK. Bottomline is, there are still holes that do not add up and I would hope that they would also investigate Jim Bob and Michelle as to why she did not protect or stand up for her daughters.
I'm pretty sure Michelle and her sister were sexually abused
So many people have been so cruel to Anna…I believe she has been deeply brainwashed and needs help.
I kinda feel for Anna..her parents and the duggars for putting her in a marriage with a sicko
You think? She was a lamb to slaughter
@@romaolberding7288 absolutely yes
Anna never had a chance, and her horrible father has been literally pimping his daughters since Esther. But the decisions she has made have been terrible.
@@LisaKoffler she was too googly eyed for him to care about anything:(
I'm so proud of Jill, Derick, and Amy for exposing the truth. Jim Bob and Michelle should be in jail alongside Josh.
Unlike Jessa and HER "CHOOSING TO FOLLOW THE SCRIPTS WRITTEN FOR HER BY HER PARENTS AND WHOMEVER ELSE WROTE IT"; JILL HAD,HAD ENOUGH; AND WASN'T HEALED OR HAD FORGIVEN JOSH AND HER PARENTS FOR NOT PROTECTING HER!!!!
This is just so sad
I have so many thoughts about this. It makes me upset how maliciously twisted the concept of forgiveness is in the IBLP, how children are not educated on listening to their own thoughts and feelings is a healthy way, and how any type of A is not handled well. So frustrating and heartbreaking!
I don’t care what excuses people are trying to make for Anna. What he did is WRONG. Her knowing and not caring is WRONG. Josh and Anna are atrocious.
So much respect to Jill for speaking out. These groups and what goes on is a huge issue. Also thank you to Katie Joy for continuing to shed light on this crazy darkness
Absolutely disgusting how jim bob AND michelle treated their girls....they are BOTH to blame.
They totally failed as parents to protect them, blaming them for joshs vile actions is just horrific.
I applaud jill for explaining and speaking out , she has amazing support from her husband. X
I'm so happy she is healing. I wish for all of the children to heal. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
When I see the Laundrie family,Scott Peterson's fam, Chris Watts I see how taking things to extreme lengths at anyone's expense is common. Evil is common. But Good overcomes evil and everyone sees the evildoers and don't believe there coverups.
Jim Bob laid down his daughters at the altar like lambs to slaughter. God bless and keep them! 😢
Take time to heal. You do a wonderful job of keeping us informed, whether we see your lovely face or not. Your health, just like your family, should always be your top priority.
Jill is amazing and I respect her bravery....I'm so glad she has Derek loving and supporting her thru it all
I am just heartbroken for what her and her sisters went thru
Her brother made her a victim, Jill's parents made her a victim and then the media put her through the hell all over again. It's like being assaulted repeatedly. JB is twisting the Scripture, again, to go along with his cult beliefs.
I’m curious to know if Anna truly is staying because of her loyalty to Josh but rather she’s locked into a lifetime contract with JB and can’t leave. Hmm wish I knew.
So Anna is willing to push her kids off on others to show her loyalty. She will abandon her children because Josh can't live with them when he gets out. It is unreal what lengths Jim Bob and Michelle have gone to to cover up for Josh. The fact that Michelle never stood up for her daughters. Would they have spoken up for them if Joe Blow off the street had SA'D one of them? Would they have let that slide too?
Jill is awesome! Thank God she has the support of her husband. I wish the Dillards every happiness!
Parental betrayal is the lowest ~bless you, Jill
When I first started watching this show, I was so inspired by this family and how they raised their kids. As I got older, the sickness if it all started to become more obvious. The cult like mentality is a gross. Jim Bob is a narcissistic sociopath. Michelle is not innocent and I blame her even more! I am glad that these girls are breaking away from this abusive narrative. 🙏🏾
I’m a Christian and was in a very abused marriage. My preacher told me the greatest gift God gave us was the gift of common sense. God loves us so much, he doesn’t want us ( and our children) to be in an unsafe environment. God gave us the gift of free will. As much as we want our marriage to work, if our husband doesn’t want to change, then we must leave.
I'm so so blessed that I had amazing parents!!
So proud of Jill. When does this come on and where? JB needs to be charged as well.I am hoping CPS steps in and keeps his children away from him.
Yep, and his grands!
It's on prime video on June 2
. All four episodes
@@Mellz77 I don't have prime😒
JB was like Lot offering up his daughters. Ugh.
Interesting analogy.
JB, and also Michael Keller.
I come from a cult that is a bit left of the IBLP, as in not as extremist but still really bad. I have retrograde amnesia for 2 years of my adolescence, and what I DO remember my dad tells me didn't happen, even with proof. And my parents left the cult years ago, shortly after I did. I can't even imagine what all of that would have been like on national TV omg.... What I can say based on similar experience is that she's being strong because she has to, because she hit a breaking point where whether or not to be quiet felt like life or death in her mind. She made the right choice, and that saves you, but it also breaks you. I used to tell my therapist that I didn't even feel like broken glass, but rather broken glass ground down into granular sand, and that recovering didn't just mean putting pieces back together but figuring out what on earth those pieces could have looked like to begin with.
Jill has a long road ahead of her, but as someone ten years down that road, it's worth it. Every little victory means something, there are bad days but for the first time there are also good ones. You learn which people really love you, and watch in awe as they stand by your side because you've been conditioned that there's no way in hell you deserve them to. Jill is strong, I really believe she'll come through this, but it can only help to send her notes and affection to let her know she's on the right path, because I can almost guarantee you there's at least 10 times a day she doubts that. Bonus points if it includes a Bible verse because even if you don't believe it probably still acts as an anchor for her. C-PTSD is something I wouldn't wish on the worst of humanity, nevermind someone good like most of these kids seem to be. I wish them all the best and all the love they deserve.
@@LisaKoffler Thanks for the update on who's where, I can't keep totally up to date because watching quiverfull content can be triggering. I hope I can watch the docu-series though.
I can't speak for everyone but the reason my parents joined a cult was that said cult got to my mother. She grew up in an abusive household and her mother died when she was young, because of that she was afraid she couldn't/wouldn't know how to be a good mom to her own kids. Our cult promised her that if she did what they said we were guaranteed to be okay as adults. That's the kind of tactics these groups use.
What got my parents out was I stumbled a bit (or a lot) after leaving the cult. The world outside literally felt like wonderland, everything felt backwards or upside-down and I got lost pretty quickly. After a few months I got overwhelmed and I ended up in the hospital. My mom dropped out of the cult soon after that because she realized that her whole reason for joining had been bullshit. In a way she was a victim too, they took advantage of her previous trauma to get to her kids.
That's the story if you're interested. It was 10 years ago and I'm a lot better now and try to speak up about the experience when I can, to try to keep others out of these groups
This is brainwashing. Those women were psychologically, emotionally, intellectually and economically enslaved. I am horrified.😢
Im so glad you are exposing this. People need to know. Keep up the good work!❤
Jim Bob is more evil than ever before!!!! Jill will take him down!!! I hate JB for his actions!!!!
@@LisaKoffler JB should’ve been prosecuted for his crimes a long time ago!!! The cover-up is a crime upon itself!!!!
I’m sure this will get lost in the comments but I live for Duggar updates on this channel so I can get high on edibles and eat junk food while watching (guilty pleasure!). Love you KJ
😂😂
😋 edibles….
Same girl, SAME. ❤ 🥳😶🌫️🍿
Gurl!! Not edibles, but this is when I take my evening meds. I live for this!
Yes to all of this
Props to Jill
There was one episode in which one of the producers said that Jim Bob did not trust them at first, and would follow them everywhere, but later they became like family. I agree that It's always been JB that's been in charge.
She's a mother first, and there is no reason for her to coddle and protect a SO at the expense of her children and future grandchildren. That's not being a good Christian or a good mother.
Jill has always been treated worse, now we know why.
In JBs eyes Jill was the one who "started" the whole process.
he should be treating Josh the way he treats Jill.
I just hope Josh's girls get help also. It scares me they are living under JB's roof knowing what he (and Josh) has done...
Thank you for your bravery, Jill. You are a hero ! ♥️
Derek has the highest education among the entire extended family and has better insight and you know he shares these with Jill. And fortunately for Jill her husband encourages her to be forthright and speak for herself. Jill and Derek have the ability to be financially independent from Jim Bob and doesn’t have to be under his commands.
Sad so sad 😞
I’ve pre ordered Jill’s book. I hope her book helps her sisters to find their real voices so they can all heal together! Coming out of any cult is so hard!
Such a huge amount of respect for Jill
I just KNEW those poor girls were reading scripts. "A boy who was a little overcurious," I could hear those words straight from Jim bobs mouth as poor Jill was forced to say them
Every time I watch that MK interview with Jessa and Jill, I can't help but notice how cold Jessa is. She's so withdrawn from her feelings and protecting the family ego, she doesn't exhibit any feelings. Stoicism is weird for a SA survivor that has done the work. It signals to me she hasn't actually processed what happened. She's just robotically reciting the family cover story.
Hope you feel better very soon. This is an excellent post, believe me. The truth that makes total sense. You have said it in such a way that even the simplest of us can understand fully! Thank you so so much!!
Everytime an image flashes up and Josh is holding a baby girl and his hand is hidden I cringe. I think Jessa was on the Megan show to keep Jill in line. They needed Jill because she was the reporter. Jessa I think is a pragmatist at the time she was beholden to her father for housing and income.
Once again, so very proud of Jill! 💪🏼
Proud of Jill for sharing her truth and the more she tells her story the more she can heal. ❤
An Arkansan here, this family is a cult! There is no way anyone could think the life they live is ok.
It’s so messed up. If you have 20 kids, how can you truly care for, spend time with and monitor their well being? When I was on Facebook so many people were all waah! Momma miscarried with baby #20! What?! You are a crap mother! She didn’t care for her kids like she should have! I had 3 and it wasn’t easy! I can’t imagine 20! You’re not a mother! The kids are raising each other and weren’t policed!!
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Wow, the pain she is still going through is deep. Any normal parent' heart would break into a thousand pieces hearing their daughters side of what happened....bit JiimBob and Michelle. Horrific. If they only realize the lifestyle THEY chose was wrong, dangerous and life changing for their family i think the children could begin to heal. Jill is the star of the family, the light at thend of the tunnel - shes an inspiration of strength, will, courage and the avocate for all those in similar situations. She amazing! Challenger her is to challenge yourself in the duggsr world.