I just found out: If you check the place where we find Nikolay's letter again, it disappears after a day... soooo there is a veerrry small level of hopium that Katarina is still alive and she just dropped her stuff temporarily and she picked it up the next day.
After interacting with the fatui on the Chasm, I actually felt admiration for them. They are sooo brave and more than ready to cast aside their own emotions and even their relationships just so they could do their part just as the Tsaritsa, Harbingers, or any higher ups have ordered them to. Their higher ups just basically see them as pawns, not fellow country men nor human beings, and its so sad :(
@@randangbalado I got the same impression back when I first started playing this game. It's clearly the intent being made here, anyways...namely since all of the names of the Fatui we've come across are of a slavic dialect. Not to mention that the place the Fatui hail from is known for its harsh, cold environment. The writers haven't been pulling any punches, that's for sure. Edit: Jesus, you can even make correlations between what's happening in Ukraine with the Russian troop mindset and the Fatui that've been trapped beneath the Chasm all this time.
admiration for causing trouble? the fatui should fuck off back to shneznaya and give ppl a break like jean for example she’s busy enough alrdy and doesn’t need to deal with the fatui bs as well
She’s my new favorite NPC. So tragic. My heart goes out to her - if the traveler never approached her and gave her false hope (because lets be honest, the traveler knew her brother was already dead) she would still be alive at her old camp. It’s so unbecoming of the traveler to unintentionally lead to the death of so many people over the course of the story so far. Ill never forgive him (or her, but we all know Aether is the cannon traveler and Lumine is the Abyss Princess) for the Iwakura massacre.
Just wanted to add; if you did the quest with anton's group after meeting katarina, you can ask anton about her. he will mention that they were part of the same group that went down into the chasm. he will also mention how much she cares for nikolay and how she actually was very distressed about nikolay getting left behind. its very sad...
i did their quest first, that is a nice detail, also, if you made the fatui spy (katarina's friend, forgot the name) quest you can tell katarina that you know about her
Didn't it say that the Tsaritsa had a daughter (or children) when you talk to Anton after the quest? i can't tell if he actually said it or not. i tried finding him again but the Fatiu group isn't there anymore
then we're greeted by the cheerful festival in Inazuma.... which then (maybe) will drag us down again to another depressing story, before (again) dropping another cheerful event.
Fatui might be the "good" side in a sense, and we're actually the "bad* side. Essentially since Anton mentioned something along the lines of the Fatui have been battling against the darkness beneath the Chasm for 500 yrs. Which makes them appear more" good" even if their methods are somewhat questionable.
Even in the overworld if you dont kill the fatus and observe them, you get to see how simple they always were. Talking with each other, competing to see whos stronger and so many cute interactions. I always thought that the story had another side to it from the beginning. Later on after investing in the lore I came to know bout Cryo archon's and Signora's backstory... and the doubt was indeed confirmed. I'm glad that we got these quests comparatively early in the game moreover its really great to see how Hoyoverse is actually developing the traveler's personality. Let's see how the story progresses henceforth
"Sorry... to also have you shoulder the grievances of the world." This being in the Shivada Jade Gemstone, I'm inclined to think the Cryo Archon is addressing this to the Fatui who also had to bear the weight of rebelling against the divine (Celestia). An apology for how things have become. I think Snezhnaya would be such an amazing region, to meet new characters and understand what's really happening. Genshin is definitely rich in lore and to have thought-provoking discussions on supposed enemies is such a treat.
Personally, there's something about a character that may be portrayed as 'evil', but still being emphatic to other people who share the same burden as them This made me really interested about Tsaritsa's goals and story
Also to note that the Tsaritsa is known as the god of love. Therefore it can be more easily said that she would care the most out of the Archon's about the people's ambition and how Celestia sought to destroy Khaenriah. There's also the irony of seeking the gnoses with any means necessary not caring too much about the people of those nations or even the Fatui, all for this apparent goal of hers, to supposedly free the people of Teyvat from Celestia
the best thought-provoking question for me is about visions. this goes for all superpower genres where the ability is not a scientific creation, but a natural-born/acquired gift, or something like that. really, what do the gods think about everyone else who doesnt have a vision and what does this tell us about them?
@@gollygosh same. i feel like its a "tough love, mother-knows-best" type of thinking. the tsaritsa doesnt need to justify her orders if the end would be to free the people of teyvat from whatever is plaguing us
For me knowing Katarina and the other Fatui was 1 of the best parts of the Chasm, we could see that they aren't all bad and are really loyal to the Tsaritsa, but also they understand that to do what the Tsaritsa needs they need to do bad things...but behind all that they are more human that we first believed
I beg to differ That Those poor saps stuck in Chasm, the foot soldiers as they might be, have no dirty works assingned to, the whole thing befall upon them is but a pointless casualty It's Harbingers' agenda that condemn them to this predicament Harbingers do the task given to them, all while following their own agenda, and left their coworkers in the dark
@@Yo-mv2wh honestly from what little we know so far I'd say that the only Harbingers that sound like they're 100% loyal to the Tsaritsa are Childe and the Jester. the others either have clear questions about their loyalties (the Knave and the Balladeer) or not enough info to really go on.
@@debrisj4919 I forgot who, but if i remembered it correctly, one of the harbinger ordered the attack in the jade chamber during the fight with osial to pull out as many of the fatui soldiers as they can out of the chasms. Please do correct me if i'm wrong, it's been so long since the last i played genshin
As I delve deeper into Genshin Impact, it does reflect our reality in some ways. Like the Fatui, not all of them are "evil". They are simply doing their jobs or out of duty for their leader regardless of the morality of it. I think even the Cryo Archon herself doesn't think herself as "bad" but, like Baal, she thinks that what she's doing now is the only way to achieve greater good.
Guys people in Inazuma refers to her has Baal and the Raiden Shogun. So they're all her names. Also I agree, with you, I personally think the tsarita is trying to rebels against celestia so if we ignore everything she has to do for her rebellion to be successful, she's not that bad of a person
I thought I would like the tsaritsa since she's fighting celestia, and other archons sorta seem on board w/her plan. But even if it's for the greater good, her methods are making a lot of people suffer, and for that i feel she's going to need some very good redemption arc and not some weak pity story like Ei.
This quest is PROOF that the Traveler isn't a self insert character, because if it was truly up to me, I'd 100% have chosen to drink firewater and chill w/ Katarina instead of wandering around babysitting Zhiqiong for days on end.
@@-SarahAllycia and to the ninth company. People have been starving for who knows how long and the best we could give them is some raw piece of meat, oof :( Also it's kinda disappointing for me to see a lot of people found the "I don't like your hat" option funny, it was really atrocious to me
If you went to the rubble where you found nikolay's last position, a dialog will suggest that nikolay escaped through that tunnel and then it caved in so traveler cannot follow him further. So nikolay is either dead or alive beyond those rocks.
That reminds me: In the Chasm overworld, there’s a tunnel that leads to an undeveloped area which is speculated to be Sumeru. Perhaps he somehow got there?
@@ovp3606 I hope so but I also hope Katarina did somehow survived so we could see a reunion. I don't wanna be the one that break the news of what happened to her.....
This is technically both Childe and Signora’s faults, but it’s kinda mostly Childe. And if like Signora didn’t bother trolling Childe, then the Fatui’s in the chasm would have been fine
the Quote "if not us then who?" makes more sense since the Skirmishers don`t really mind being Cannon fodders for the harbinger or Snezhnaya as a whole. basically making themselves as disposable pawns of the Tsaritsa. but now chasm story quest really shows that not all Skirmishers agreed to this Ideals.
"If not us, then who" is russian paratroopers' motto, btw. Battle of 9th company is a famous battle during last days of Soviet Army in Afghanistan. Mihoyo certainly knows what they are doing there.
I actually can’t believe how much investigation Hoyo is doing when they are making these nations and people. I am slavic too, and as we know Russians have their Vodka (fire-water), here we have a drink called Rakija, and whenever you are injured as a kid (or an adult) your parents will put Rakija on your wounds since it will clear it faster and kill all the bacteria. This really reminded me of my childhood man 🥺 I cant wait to get to Snezhnaya, even if I am different “branch” of Slavic person, I really feel deep bond that mihoyo is presenting in all of Npc’s from Snezhnaya..I loved these quests so much, showing us how random people get tangled up in schemes of big players
As fellow slavic I “cant wait” how badly they will pronounce all the slavic names in english (already dying a little after hearing how some CC pronounce Ajax)
I'm sure that most of the fatui who had to be on the battlefield were orphans who were raised in special orphanages. So they have been indoctrinated, that they have to pay their dues with war to the last drop of blood. The mission is more important than their lives. Look at fatui who have family, they are placed in a safe place like a bank, or become part of their diplomatic mission.
Makes me think of an anime called 86. The soldiers fight for each other because that's the only family they have and the government takes advantage of that. As long as they're fighting, doesn't matter why. Plus they put the people least likely to fit back into society and most likely to rebel into the most dangerous wartime situations. The "problem" solves itself.
I feel like what happened was the Qixing mostly trusted the Fatui until word got out about what happened in Mondstadt. Then the Qixing trusted them less. And after what happened with Osial, the Fatui weren’t welcome anymore. It made sense in my head.
But wasn't Mondstadt's problem mostly because of the abyss? Also, Signora made sure not to leave any evidence of anything that happened. And Venti as well as the Traveler decide not to dob them in (I think)
@@chriskh-studentoflight217 You're right the Fatui were pretty hands off due to the abyss and wanted to use that to their advantage diplomatically, it was only after did they directly act but as you said no evidence was left.
@@chriskh-studentoflight217 Well, maybe Ninguang already knew about Fatui's action in Mondstat from Jean. They have quite a professional relationship enough to write a letter to each other. Ninguang did mention that Jean already told her about MC from the letter. So it's possible for Jean to tell what really happened in Mondstat in the letter too.
Tsaritsa wanted Morax's gnosis and Zhongli wanted to retire, so they made a contract to test Liyue. Signora was appointed as a overseer and Childe as a tester (without him knowing). Because of "Morax death" during rite of descension, Childe resorted to backup plan, released Osial to lure Morax out. He did this with the belief that Morax would protect Liyue. Zhongli knew this too (he wanted Liyue to be tested after all) and agreed with it. This led to the breaking of the agreement between Qixing and Fatui, even though Zhongli already hinted to them what actually happened. Then, Qixing cut the food supply to fatui in the Chasm. Everyone involved (except traveler) has their own fault in this problem. So it's not right to only blame one party. Edit: It was Signora's fault. It was her who sealed the deal regarding Chasm with Qixing (based on Fatui Anthon's quest) and the fatui there is Pulcinella's men, so you can say Chasm was under her and Pulcinella's jurisdiction.
As implied by Zhongli himself in Liyue's Final Archon Quest & Azhdaha post-battle dialog, when faced with circumstances beyond their control (let's say erosion for example), the Archons bemoan their lack of power. We've yet to know how a new archon is appointed since there's no action from Celestia whatsoever or does the Qixing know the truth that their broke god is still alive or they've chosen they'll run a nation in godless mode. There's no official appointment of a new Archon or a rise of a new Archon, rather than a direct replacement like Makoto -> Ei. As far as I know outside the theory and based on current lore progression, Zhongli did a dirty job by letting go of his duty as an Archon, but at the same time, Liyue has quite matured and managed to stand as a nation without a god, regardless of affecting the innocent Fatui, it's not his people. Nevertheless we still don't know exactly what's inside the contract, as Signora is Tsaritsa's messenger chosen directly to Morax.
@@wakakabomzzzz Yes, there's many things we don't know. But it's not right to only blame the harbingers, particularly Childe when more than one party involved in this matter.
@@akarifuyuki9763 yeaah but im also thinking that all of these are parts of the plan to fight celestia.. i have said it in the other comment the philosophy behind of the train operator and there are two tracks.. one will lead you to the person you love the other will lead you and the passengers to a cliff.. like you could not save everyone even if you want to😞 but im not saying they aren't at fault here.. many people.. childe, zhongli, signora, the tsaritsa, quin-something? and it might be many more we haven't don't know of.. if signora could warn to those people in the chasm they would be still alive
Genshin players before chasm update: Let's kill hilichurls and fatuis !!! Genshin players after chasm update: Oh dear It is a really sad story. Anyways I need drops to upgrade talents :")
Acutally once you go there to the place where the shadowy husk is the next day the books have disappeared this could be because that katarina has come to pick it up after running away from the husk, or it could have just disappeared and she was just simply dead, its quite a open ending and you would interpret the final outcome yourself.
Like how Nikolay could still be alive and the cave just happened to collapse behind him. I'm gonna keep an eye out in Sumeru, maybe they landed up there.
Remember, Zhongli was essentially the mastermind behind the Fatui attack on Liyue Harbor, though Childe didn't know it at the time since last of that plan was for him to swat Osial (and presumably Childe himself) with the full power of the oldest Archon if it looked like Liyue couldn't beat him on there own, and La Signora apparently decided that the possibility getting his Gnosis with his cooperation was worth abandoning the Chasm Fatui to their slow deaths, as well as abandoning their investigation into the Celestial Nail.
Yeah people do tend to forget that Zhongs made all of this possible as sort of a "test" for ppl of Liyue... Edit; also, Dain did tell us not to trust archons 100%..and as someone who actually reunited us with our sibling i tend to trust him on this one..
You know in the beginning zhongli says that he doesn't know anything about aii sibling and after azdaha quest he mentions that he cannot speak cuz of the contract, that was the moment I lost all interest in zhongli, I mean the guy had a lot of chance to come Clean about it but no he didn't and now I hate it whenever he acts like we're friends and any quest 😐
@@InactiveTwig look man, Hoyo’s words, not mine.. At the end of the archon quest he basically admits it all 🤷🏼♀️ also he was ready to i guess jump in if adepti and humans couldn’t stop Osial..Archons don’t understand humans at all, thats the whole point. Zhongli, Ei.. both of them did selfish things for good reasons, Zhongli came up with this “mastermind” plan with Tsaritsa, and Ei basically started the war because she was afraid of change and what will that change bring to people of Inazuma. I guess thats why this game is so good- there is no good or bad its the POV of the characters that counts
Its so sad cause it is heavely implied that the Milelith didnt cared either for the fatui trapped in the chasm while a lot of them were really caring to protect the people of Liyue and discover what is going on in the chasm and to reveal more about the Calamity which in the longrun would proteft humanity from celestia.The fatui and Tsaritsa had good intetions but looks like that the Tsaritsa doesnt have complete control over her Harbingers or she doesnt look into things herself too which leads to the Harbingers abusing their power and dont think abiht their soldiers
I feel that milelith do care. I remember i did one quest and that it showed that milelith are ready to help the fatui. But ofc, if they wemt against the qixing, they know that they will be considered traitors and removed from ministery of civil affairs. Their only source of income is through the ministry, can't really blame them. The real ones to be blamed are harbingers. Knowing that the qixing is no longer trusting them and will abandon the chasm agreement, they should have arranged the facilities to escort out the fatui from the chasm. But alas, their main goal is to get the gnosis and dont give a f about their soldiers.
@@mythical9163 idk in the quest were you give food at the fatui agents in the chasm there is a note that orders the milelith to not even tell to the fatui what happened let alone go near them so to me its as much their fault for the fatui agents being trapped down there with nothing that is of the harbingers too.
@@mythical9163 The *few* milelith stationed there did care. Liyue's governing body as a whole did not. Surprise surprise.. when fictions gets based on real life politics shit just happens.
blame "favourite water boy" for that. it's because of him milelith finally snaps and cut off the fatui. that a-hole just went and unleashed a calamity. that could turn into a massive tragedy if we and the gang could't handle it. Zhong li my intervene if it comes to it, but who knows? he decided to retire after all, and might be under contract to not intervene. god i hate that boy
According to the main story, signora KNOWS what childe is like, and thus devised the plan with zhongli so that childe will undoubtedly use the sigils to summon osial. She, while knowing this, also took no action to warn or call back the fatuis in the chasm. I cant blame the fatuis for the things that happened...only the harbringers and its irritating when mc and paimon become hostile to every single one of them for no reason
"Since you're the bad guy here,why don't you explain yourself first?" Said the same person who was unfairly labeled as a criminal in Liyue and Inazuma😅 I mean...the empathy lol
Poor Fatui. The are like Real Life Soldiers. Some of them. Useful Pawns ready to be cast away and forgotten whenever convenient from the higher ups, especially the Harbingers.
as soon as i finished Katarina's follow-up quest, with its Glaring Deathflag, i teleported to the Grand Narukami Shrine, rushing to get a fortune slip. there was no new dialogue where the Traveler could tell Gendou Ringo of Nikolay and Katarina in The Chasm. THAT was what hit me hardest, with this questline, because I could tell that withholding the option was a Deliberate Choice by both Mihoyo & the Traveler: whenever they can, the Traveler withholds painful truths and implications from Paimon and from NPCs. i REALLY hope that Sumeru comes with a lot of levity because Dragonspine, Higi Village, Ayase Shrine, Tsurumi Island, Enkanomiya, and The Chasm have been one heartbreaking setting after another. The Irodori Festival was a very welcome break, even with the looming threat of Klee Meeting Yoimiya.
@@lazilylapis676 no, tragically. the shrine maidens get new dialogue after certain world quests but, outside of [Kazari], there is no option to ask nor inform any of them of such matters. which. ouch. gendou ringo. ;__;
@@user-br4qy6cj5g Sumeru's world quests were surprisingly wholesome?? Until the desert, that is. Turned out they hid the angst in the sands. But the main questlines of Sumeru were ultimately uplifting! Fontaine's world quests, on the other hand, "mask" their sense of existential dread behind very cute quest NPCs. So far, Fontaine's quests haven't instilled as much dread as Dragonspine, Inazuma or Sumeru's desert. Instead, Fontaine lets the near-dead silence from characters underwater do the "spooking" (lol).
At the beginning The game teach us that the fatui are the bad guys. But as we progress through the lore, we get more mature and learn a lot more things about people and their actions, and how human they all are. Which means, in the end, theres no good or bad sides. Its all about perspective. The archons also have their own flaws, even tho thr game doesnt show it explicitly, it still shows that they arent pure and each character will do what they want according to the situation. The fatuis are overall bad, but still, from their perspective its not bad. Lyue people aremt that good as they say, otherwise lots of other things wouldnt have happened. Neither mondtsad people, venti just left his people all alone, and so is Inazuma, full of suffering caused by their archon. In the end, genshin has a big depressing lore, that shows how humans can be selfish and evil. And still, its all about perspective.
Katarina's questline made me legit sad, i wanted her to have a happier ending. Also, about anton's group, the soldier who was antons friend is the same that was posing as a treasure hoarder in the surface, sadly you can't mention about him to anton or vice versa
Me before the Chasm update : *kills Hilichurls and Fatui without hesitation Me after the Chadm update : *says sorry to them and feels sad while still killing them without hesitation
When I first played dark souls one, there were many moments that I still remember to this day, one of them is the sad endings of every character, no matter how tenacious, how brave, strong, or smart that character may be, all of them shared the same fate, become hollow(which is basically dying in dark souls). And I feel the exact same feeling when playing in the chasm, most of the NPCs here get lost, went crazy, or died to some monster. And the fact that you are forced to see that happen without the chance to do something about it makes me feel so powerless. I'm sorry if I don't express myself correctly, but my English is not that great.
I love how Hoyoverse instills on the players that war is stupid, and often evoke due to one man's pride or ego, and if you put on the shoes of others, you can then only know of the circumstances around them and how that affects them to be who they are.
Honestly, it has always been scary to me how the traveler and paimon go on a killing spree and kill everything in a hilichurl or fatui camp. And after the Chasm quests, this feeling only has gotten stronger.
How can this be ? There is no way Lvl 93. Electro Cicin Mage lose to Lvl. 93 Shadow Husk. Especially you fought near Water. Katarina should won this match.
Most likely she no longer had the will to survive, especially with her brother gone. She was stuck in the Chasm with no supplies, she either had to rot away at her Camp or die fighting.
The chasm was genuinely the most beautifully heart breaking update so far, I felt really bad for katerina and antons group and I hope they all made it out and are hopefully residing somewhere in sumeru with nikolai. The new update is hopefully going to show how much more human the fatui than they’re deemed to be. Ever since ganyu’s story quest had a fatui picking berries get threatened just for being fatui, it had made me stop actively hunting for fatui and instead fight them in self defence or when they’re blocking the dirt road.
The thing I admire and hate the most from fatui is their willingness to sacrifice anything to achieve their goal. It's much harder than it sounds, but failing is not an option either considering what tsaritsa's ultimate goal is. It's cool how they would press onward no matter what, but that means more problems to solve for the traveler lmao
Where we find the diary of Nikolay mentioning the shadowy husk coming towards him there is like a tunnel/wall blocked up with rubble and when u go near it there is even a dialogue of paimon the dialogue indicates that nikolay might have escaped through this very tunnel.
I assume when we get to Snezhnaya, we will at one point fight alongside them. Maybe similar to what happened in Inazuma, the people were split into two opposing groups : Tsaritsa's supporter and rebel. or the Abyss did something and we have to work with Fatui to bring their plan down.
I believe that's going to be a big mess by the end of this game. Looks like the travellers had close ties with celestia at some point of their lives, but they tried to run away for some reason (?) And Tsaritsa is leading a rebellion against the divine, so the traveller will be siding with her against celestia? Also Kaenri'ah and the abyss are tied to this somehow? There's a lot details lacking, but the only thing that's certain is that celestia is probably the most messed up entity of Teyvat, and they bring the nail upon everyone who dares challenging their principles.
@@HenSt-gz7qj Tbh, I think in the end, the abyss order, fatui and all archons will join forces to go against celestia, since it seems it's their common enemy.
Maybe not all of them but they still constantly try to cause harm to people. They can't really be the "good guys". Though we don't know their full intentions, they're methods are questionable or just unacceptable. This seems like it's going to be one of those plots where no one is the "good guy" just people trying to do what's best for them and loved ones. _Maybe_ Celestia could be the true enemy but everyone is kind of off as it seems so far.
@Harry Shade haha running around defending celestia's action, won't be surprised if you would be really mad if the game directions is going to destroy celestia, kill the sustainer, and take down the second throne
I've been a fatui lover and apologist since I started playing the game. I love how the fatui have distinct personalities and behaviors, it really makes you sympathize with them even more
Depending on the mood of the creators, they may still be alive. Just like Joel's missing father finally was found. I thought Joel's dad died earlier from the quests.
well.. that quest also kinda implies that his father is one of the sentient whopper flowers because he doesnt remember anything about his life with Joel(which fair could just be because he hit his head), but there are two of albedos "brothers" in total, one of them still posing as albedo and one posing as joels father. Because if you do follow the trail Joels father leaves behind also heavily implies he met his end when he fell down the mountain which was quite a while ago before he was found by Palad. We dont actually have time perception of how long it has been for us on Teyvat, but its fair to assume that its been the same amount as it has been for us in real life which is almost two years. So if we do use our time frame, Joels dad has been up on the mountain for months to a year after he fell and its possible he did perrish and the whopperflower replaced him.
@@alexblack4048 pretty much. I also belive that theory At least, if hes not a woopflowr,somehow he got affected by the leylines or some magical power Theres no sense him surviving all alone without any magical help after his desaster (getting lost in dragonspine)
T_T I didn't expect that Katy died too I have followed to the same path to the cave, but didn't find a clue about her. Then this video explained. What a sad story.
Still, he didn't want that either (In the golden house, he said that he didn't like the plan that involved in other people either). That's why Fatui soldiers still wants to work under him.
I think alot and scare about how familar Fatui and Russian's Army and how Mihoyo successfully describe it in The Chasm. They brave, fighting for motherland and extremely obedient to orders, despite they become someone enemy. It's not all soldier's fault
And many more things like the the 'bad side' of the culture on each region that is suprisingly accurate if you're from the same culture. They did their research well
This quest make me rlly sad how far Tsaritsa or the fatui will go after his objectives, and why those people of Snez believe so much in her will, well i bet not all people agree with her and we will make a change in this policy in the future when we arrive to Snezhaya
Well, all we know, as people make a choice to be a Fatui from Childs story. This is not obligatory. Anton mentioned a growing dark and 500-years war, so they probably know that they are fighting for the future of Teyvat. Furthermore, what if they basically cannot say about it load in order to not to face Orobaxis fate and sp are pretended to be bad guys
@@CoffeeCup22001 The archons are treating the Gnosis so careless maybe they dont like being in contact with celestia after all or dont even want to mention As we know the gnosis boost the elemental power to do things beyond human compreention (like make mora) Ei without it it's so damn OP I think in the end all of Tsaritsa efforts will be in vain and we will join forces with her against Celestia
After doing both the Faui and Katarina quests, I came to realize small things about the Fatui, such as that the Electro and Cryo cicins walk in a kinda childish game way, like a kid pretending to be a soldier. That adds up to the things we learn about Katarina in the Chasm, of how she enjoys playing with her brother and enjoying her life. In every new patch we learn more and more that the world of Teyvat is not black and white, good and evil, but many different people with different opinions. The line of good and evil and how the traveler should handle situations in the future is becoming more and more blurred with every update (and we're still in nation 3 of the 7).
"War is war, there are no eternal allies or perpetual enemies" She singlehandedly made the Fatui gain my respect. The Chasm update got me soft man, shits sad
Thanks for this, I actually found that letter near that shadowy husk, read it but didn't pay attention to it. Didn't realise that's where poor Katarina met her end...and I was waiting for another tea party too.... The storyline here also shows that there's always two sides to every story, how the Fatui aren't just bad guys, just the enemy on the other side fighting for their beliefs. Just like the hilichurls aren't necessary bad, just cursed. Whose to say we aren't the bad guys for stopping the Fatui help the Tsaritsa fight against Celestia? If only I didn't need their drops for leveling up I wouldn't have to beat them up so much.... 😔 🤭
Pretty sure they will be sorta bad guys anyway . "Ends justify the means" thing they have going only goes so far. At some point , you reach a point of no return and then your goal just gets corrupted itself
@Harry Shade read some lore in game, you will find out about calestia, heck even calestia right now is diffrent with calestia in the past, meaning right now calestia have different god in the trone
One of the things I like about Genshin is the humanization of the "enemy". All of the fatui soldiers, and the hilichurls, they're all normal people (or were). Everyone has a reason, and the motives behind the Abyss Order and the Fatui make you question the norms of Teyvat. I would write more but as Paimon says, I'm "all out of brain juice".
Katarina and Lyudochka's stories are arguably the best NPC stories in the game so far, both of their stories tear my heart apart, the way Katarina met her end despite not knowing that the Fatui have been portrayed as the bad guys now, and the good and touching ending Lyudochka was able to get in the end but sad ending for the Shrine Maiden Ninja because she even lost one of her eyes iirc
I´ve seen her in the vid and her name in the comments a couple of times but I can´t remember a Fatui NPC by the name Lyudochka or a quest with her. Was it a timed event that I missed?
If you come back another day to where you find Nikolay's letter to Katarina, you'll notice it's no longer near where we killed the Shadowy Husk. You also weren't able to take the letter when we found it after killing the husk. Im not 100% sure but it could imply she ain't dead and that in a rush, she ran off and left her bags and belongings to escape the husk. After we killed the husk, Katarina managed to retrieve her items and continue her search.
This quest is all I ever hoped from Genshin, it's dark and yet it's very entertaining. I really like the "darksouls" vibe that npcs are not all that bad but very ambiguous. You will not know which one will take a jump on you, and who will become your friend or heck who will you take empathy for.
I feel like with every archon quest the Traveler’s personality & the way they act changes. Till the end of “We Will Be Reunited” they REALLY wanted to know where their sibling was, after that tho, since they knew where they were, I feel like the Traveler’s been a little more chill, & is actually trying to find out the secrets of Teyvat.
You know what House of hearth Defenetly reminds me of cards What if there is house of spade, house of diamond, house of club Like the 4 symbols on cards Heart, spade, diamond, club But the 4 being prominant nobility in sneznaya that would be cool And this ninth company is under house of hearth
Hmm. So the Tsaritsa has an end game planned in preparation of this "Long Night" And its big enough that she's willing to throw everything minus the Kitchen Sink for it. And the Fatui are like The Clones. Good Soldiers and sadly Disposable.
well its been hinted many times over and it's pretty obvious too. Tsaritsa always wanted to bring the Celestia down, but for that she needed to amass power and army strong enough to fight Celestia. That's what the Fatui, the gnosys, and the delusions are for. What we don't know is the reason behind that plan.
Wait, wasn't Childe's whole plot in Liyue a direct order from the Tsaritsa relayed to him by Signora? Who also omitted from him some important details such as the fake Exuvia and Zhongli's identity (which I'm going to guess the Tsaritsa also told Signora not to tell Childe about it). Or am I remembering it wrong?
@@CoffeeCup22001 I mean, in Liyue arc, traveler wasn't guilty because they didn't know anything and dragged into trouble Liyue arc still pisses me off.
Hoyoverse is really doing a great job making every faction realistic. No one is absolutely good or evil. Just as the Fatui and Abyss Order are sympathetic, the Knights of Favonius, the Liyue Qixing and the Inazuman Shogunate are also quite shady at times. The cover up of Crepus Ragvindyr's death and the backhanded way the Ministry of Civil affairs is dealing with the Chasm crisis (aka having the traveler and a rag tag group of people do it for them with no proper credit. Just hush money) and the seemingly endless internal conflict among the Tri commission. Everyone is just doing what they believe is the right thing to do. The build up for Khaenri'ah and Snezhnaya is really good. A lot of mixed feelings to be had, but in the end the Traveler will do what's the 'kind' thing to do. Because to me the Traveler values kindness above all. If someone is desprate for help, they will help eventually even if they do pretend to do not want to.
Signora striking those deals and then using Childe as a scapegoat shows that was her plan all along. She cared only about her own view, Childe was yet another pawn to her. And in the end she died because of her own schemes. She never cared about her own subordinates, in fact the Harbingers are disposable tools for the Tsaritsa as the Fatui are for the Harbingers (Anton further confirms in one of his lines). Katarina died because she despised the idea of running away as it would be treason, her lines heavily imply this. Sorry but this is reality. To hope otherwise is to fool yourself.
I mean, Signora was very much aware of what Childe was going to do, on account of the fact that it was part of her deal with Zhongli to test the people of Liyue in exchange for the Geo Gnosis. It's just that she didn't care enough to pull her troops out of the Chasm first. Zhongli also gets a share of the blame, since this whole stunt was his idea and blew up diplomatic relations between Liyue and the Fatui with no consideration for how that would affect the average schmucks. I wonder how it would go if it came out that this was all Rex Lapis's plan...
Zhongli, as hard as he tries to understand and be mortal, will never be success. His plan is already problematic when he forgot to save mora for living. He didn't see far ahead, about economy, safety of citizens, etc. Everyone involved (except traveler) has their share of blame.
Katya was awesome, I really hope she isn't dead although all routes lead to that being so. Hoyoverse, when will we get a playable Fatuus Orphan, I've always liked their designs.
Just like how in the real world the actual evils are the ones in charge and higher ups, these fatui soldiers are largely just orphans that had no choice but to do as they are told. Even Anton's comrades don't want to leave the chasm at first because their duty was to protect the liyue civilians, even after learning of what happened outside and how everyone hates them.
Damn, Mililieth should atleast tell The Fatui Brigade what happen on surface instead just leaving them clueless. They really putting their live for people there. Anton even make friend with one of them.
I'm not inclined to blame the Millelith compared to their higher ups i.e. the Qixing, who gave the orders to seal the chasm. And the harbingers who basically soured relations with liyue. It's also heavily implied that Ningguang herself sealed the chasm, since basically a geo catalyst is needed if youre not as powerful as the traveller to unseal those rock energy formations. (Just my theory) At the end of the day, the Millelith are like the Fatui, who are simply following orders. And yes they did leave the fatui some supplies which I think is as much as they could do under strict orders to abandon the chasm. It's those higher ups who had the power to prevent this (like the the tsaritsa and harbingers, and even zhongli), who should bear the full responsibility.
I found that letter on my own while I was wandering and felt so sad. Had to leave a pin on the map I named "RIP Katarina" to remember her by since we can't place any memorial objects in-game. Lyudochka, Anton and his group, and Katarina really show that the fatui are purely evil
I see a lot of YT channels that focus on the game mechanics, best builds, etc. I am so happy to see that I am not the only one who cares more about the wonderful stories told in the game!
Actually, Child did not plan anything, he only followed plan B when he discovered that the exhuvia was false and that, therefore, Morax was still alive. Childe was just a pawn in the Zhongli and Singnora's game.
Bro, i was so upset with this quest. I wish Katya is still alive and she actually met then other soldiers on their way back. Of all the fatuis we've ever met, they were innocent one, only doing their duties without harming other people. Hopefully in later patch there's a continuation to this quest at least where it's implying that she's still alive
The saddest part is it is also happening in real life, most of the leaders don't care about their actions whether it will affect their soldiers' life or not
So we already have a kind of game-breaking sumeru assisting reward for completing the chasm (at least the description is such... in reality i doubt it will help in anything)... i wonder if it will affect snezhnaya as well. Here's hoping to see more of her... AND HER BROTHER. We leave no men behind!
One thing that im really annoyed about is that childe's actions in liyue doesn't match his personality. He's a man who cares about his family and would risk his life to protect them. He's the one who said if u give someone a dream you protect it till the end. He knows the fatui members have family. He knows there are families of common folk in liyue. And despite that he did not care for a single bit when summoning osial on liyue. I do not understand why he would do that even for the tsaritsa. I just cant see him doing that with his free will with that
Actually in the moment when Childe tries to take the gnosis he realizes that it is not there and therefore the corpse is false, then it is logical to think that morax's death was a farce too, then ossial's plan as plan b makes sense, if Morax he is still alive so he will surely defeat ossial if the liyue people cannot defeat him, which Zhongli confirms for us, and on top of that he adds that Childe himself would have intervened if everything got out of control and Morax did not appear on time, since Zhongli knew well to Childe and his code of honor. And Signora was counting on if all else failed she would at least see Liyue destroyed which would be a good thing for her since she seems to hate everyone.
At the end of the day, even the soldiers and grunts of the fatui are also people: Katarina, Nikolay, Anton's quartet, the agent in barbatos church, the berry fatui dude in ganyu's quest, even Vlad n Nadia...
I hope we don't need to wait till 7.0 for Traveler to stop hating Fatui indiscriminately. Teppei had his own agency its not like he was directly killed by Fatui. I have really hated how Traveler acts toward Fatui ever since then
Well we can’t really blame the Traveler here (kind of), especially after what they experienced with the Fatui so far. First, Signora’s attack on Venti, Childe unleashing Osial, and the time with Scaramouche. So I think it would be understandable why the Traveler acts this way towards the Fatui.
It seems that I'd rather defeat Fatui & Hilichurls if they had a Chests I haven't obtained then never bother them again or if it were through a Quest, I've memorized some Leylines where I can defeat them & feel less bad about it sucks for ascending characters, now among the 27 roleplayable characters I have, just 5 Lvl. 70/70 Electro for each Acquaint Fate then I'mma suffer farming Artifacts & never try Spiral Abyss Floors 9-12 as the casual that I am.
I never bother with Spiral Abyss either (after completing 8th floor). I just don't like that kind of challenge, prefer puzzles or some chain quests if possible. Wish we have something to do after completing all the explorations... What's left are the daily commissions, spending resins, and tending teapot (on hold at the moment).
Just adding that the ‘undetected infiltration’ quest with yanbo is also related. When defeating the ‘Treasure Hoarder’, one wave is two Fatui. And when finish the quest, talk to yanbo, he would say the Treasure Hoarder is just selling food to the Fatui i.e. the supply line…
awhhh i was hoping to see her again.....idk why i still remember her after so long....i wasnt even in inazuma when i did the chasm quest like ar 30-40 something...now im ar57
The chasm show how world and war suppose to be in my opinion. The big shot do something and those lower rank never have a chance to prepare themself, those Fatui were sent to help in that time but with childe plan,they become criminal and stuck in the chasm, Never knew will they have a chance to go back to motherland again This is why i freaking hate tartagria
The Fatui we see are just soldiers following orders, with only their camaraderie and faith in their greater purpose keeping them going. In such a harsh environment that they live, it makes sense that their security of at least having each other can not only be their biggest relief but also their biggest exploit.
as dark as The Chasm itself, Darks story also lies in it. like How Hillicurls come to chasm only to wait for their death. and how the Shadow Husk protect those Hillicurls for their last rest as the protector because they promise to keep save all Kaenriah people as Kaenriah soldiers. how the Fatui who send there (to chasm) neglected and forgotten like they never exist. #SpoilerAlert
this update not only made me feel sad for the hillichurls.. but also the fatui.. like okay make me feel more bad for having to killing them on my daily basis
I got woke feelings about Fatui / Fatuus when Katarina and Aton is light side of them Never consider them as bad guy just because they from evil nation, they just humans following what's is right for them. Fragile yet sturdy enough to prevailed... Like cryo.
Welp, even if defeating that Hydro Lance Shadowy Husk/Black Serpent Knight, calling that vengeance or avenging them, if you think about it, what those Armored Husks did can also be merciful & who we can better blame were among the most Harbingers that had been full of themselves such as Signora & Dottore or just don't & stay with our Tabibito's neutrality
![[2.5] We Finally Know Whose Statue This Is! (Genshin Impact Theory)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jAh2AyHNy68/mqdefault.jpg)
I just found out: If you check the place where we find Nikolay's letter again, it disappears after a day... soooo there is a veerrry small level of hopium that Katarina is still alive and she just dropped her stuff temporarily and she picked it up the next day.
yes hope ;-;
its still a bit suspicious she’d just leave behind the letter temporarily after saying how important it was to her….
prayge
Ok, I hope there 's a chance to meet her again.
Hope we meet her again but on the surface.
After interacting with the fatui on the Chasm, I actually felt admiration for them. They are sooo brave and more than ready to cast aside their own emotions and even their relationships just so they could do their part just as the Tsaritsa, Harbingers, or any higher ups have ordered them to. Their higher ups just basically see them as pawns, not fellow country men nor human beings, and its so sad :(
It’s even sadder that they had no idea what was going on in the surface and didn’t know that the world hated them.
Sounds very soviet to me
@@randangbalado I got the same impression back when I first started playing this game. It's clearly the intent being made here, anyways...namely since all of the names of the Fatui we've come across are of a slavic dialect. Not to mention that the place the Fatui hail from is known for its harsh, cold environment. The writers haven't been pulling any punches, that's for sure. Edit: Jesus, you can even make correlations between what's happening in Ukraine with the Russian troop mindset and the Fatui that've been trapped beneath the Chasm all this time.
Fatui are bad ppl anyways
admiration for causing trouble? the fatui should fuck off back to shneznaya and give ppl a break like jean for example she’s busy enough alrdy and doesn’t need to deal with the fatui bs as well
Damn, I pass by that camp everyday hoping she’ll be there. What a cruel end.
Me too😭😭😭😭
At least us visiting her camp (Also the place of the letter) is another way of mourning
Same here bro..
She’s my new favorite NPC. So tragic. My heart goes out to her - if the traveler never approached her and gave her false hope (because lets be honest, the traveler knew her brother was already dead) she would still be alive at her old camp. It’s so unbecoming of the traveler to unintentionally lead to the death of so many people over the course of the story so far. Ill never forgive him (or her, but we all know Aether is the cannon traveler and Lumine is the Abyss Princess) for the Iwakura massacre.
@@x4E5t Tbh your right, he should have told her about his death, I won't forgive him for that one.
Just wanted to add; if you did the quest with anton's group after meeting katarina, you can ask anton about her. he will mention that they were part of the same group that went down into the chasm. he will also mention how much she cares for nikolay and how she actually was very distressed about nikolay getting left behind. its very sad...
i did their quest first, that is a nice detail, also, if you made the fatui spy (katarina's friend, forgot the name) quest you can tell katarina that you know about her
@@Ricardo_Rick its lyudochka
Didn't it say that the Tsaritsa had a daughter (or children) when you talk to Anton after the quest? i can't tell if he actually said it or not. i tried finding him again but the Fatiu group isn't there anymore
@@Ricardo_Rick where is it?
@@Amefidy yup! He did say that!
Man this update really shows the human side of the fatui in a really depressing way...
Sad side of Hilichurls too
@@beef_file4459 The Chasm is just Sad times galore in general.
and how Childe was just a bit of a dumbass /hotheade with his plan. To the point Signora had to plan around it use him to get the Gnosis
then we're greeted by the cheerful festival in Inazuma.... which then (maybe) will drag us down again to another depressing story, before (again) dropping another cheerful event.
@@HenSt-gz7qj we're being toying..but that's okay
Katarina is one of the NPCs that changed my view to the Fatuis..
her and the other fatui group asking for help because of lack of rations
Jist shows you that humans are humans
Berry fattui in ganyu quest
Me too
Fatui might be the "good" side in a sense, and we're actually the "bad* side.
Essentially since Anton mentioned something along the lines of the Fatui have been battling against the darkness beneath the Chasm for 500 yrs.
Which makes them appear more" good" even if their methods are somewhat questionable.
Even in the overworld if you dont kill the fatus and observe them, you get to see how simple they always were. Talking with each other, competing to see whos stronger and so many cute interactions. I always thought that the story had another side to it from the beginning.
Later on after investing in the lore I came to know bout Cryo archon's and Signora's backstory... and the doubt was indeed confirmed.
I'm glad that we got these quests comparatively early in the game moreover its really great to see how Hoyoverse is actually developing the traveler's personality. Let's see how the story progresses henceforth
Same applies to hilichurls, you see them dancing around or just humming to music or just fighting against each other at times.
Basically, we're the cold-blooded person that kills everything on our way lol
Investing you mean?
@@kimkardashi-un2.051 atleast were putting hilichurls out of their misery ig
@@kimkardashi-un2.051 tbf, they do attack us first
*"War is war - there are no eternal allies nor perpetual enemies"*
-Katarina Snezhevna
*"There is no such thing as an enemy in absolute terms. Yesterday's good might be tomorrow's evil."*
- The Boss, in Metal Gear Solid 3
"Sorry... to also have you shoulder the grievances of the world." This being in the Shivada Jade Gemstone, I'm inclined to think the Cryo Archon is addressing this to the Fatui who also had to bear the weight of rebelling against the divine (Celestia). An apology for how things have become. I think Snezhnaya would be such an amazing region, to meet new characters and understand what's really happening. Genshin is definitely rich in lore and to have thought-provoking discussions on supposed enemies is such a treat.
Personally, there's something about a character that may be portrayed as 'evil', but still being emphatic to other people who share the same burden as them
This made me really interested about Tsaritsa's goals and story
Well expected from mihoyo of course it will be good
Also to note that the Tsaritsa is known as the god of love. Therefore it can be more easily said that she would care the most out of the Archon's about the people's ambition and how Celestia sought to destroy Khaenriah. There's also the irony of seeking the gnoses with any means necessary not caring too much about the people of those nations or even the Fatui, all for this apparent goal of hers, to supposedly free the people of Teyvat from Celestia
the best thought-provoking question for me is about visions. this goes for all superpower genres where the ability is not a scientific creation, but a natural-born/acquired gift, or something like that. really, what do the gods think about everyone else who doesnt have a vision and what does this tell us about them?
@@gollygosh same. i feel like its a "tough love, mother-knows-best" type of thinking. the tsaritsa doesnt need to justify her orders if the end would be to free the people of teyvat from whatever is plaguing us
For me knowing Katarina and the other Fatui was 1 of the best parts of the Chasm, we could see that they aren't all bad and are really loyal to the Tsaritsa, but also they understand that to do what the Tsaritsa needs they need to do bad things...but behind all that they are more human that we first believed
I beg to differ
That Those poor saps stuck in Chasm, the foot soldiers as they might be, have no dirty works assingned to, the whole thing befall upon them is but a pointless casualty
It's Harbingers' agenda that condemn them to this predicament
Harbingers do the task given to them, all while following their own agenda, and left their coworkers in the dark
@@Yo-mv2wh honestly from what little we know so far I'd say that the only Harbingers that sound like they're 100% loyal to the Tsaritsa are Childe and the Jester. the others either have clear questions about their loyalties (the Knave and the Balladeer) or not enough info to really go on.
@@debrisj4919 I forgot who, but if i remembered it correctly, one of the harbinger ordered the attack in the jade chamber during the fight with osial to pull out as many of the fatui soldiers as they can out of the chasms. Please do correct me if i'm wrong, it's been so long since the last i played genshin
As I delve deeper into Genshin Impact, it does reflect our reality in some ways. Like the Fatui, not all of them are "evil". They are simply doing their jobs or out of duty for their leader regardless of the morality of it. I think even the Cryo Archon herself doesn't think herself as "bad" but, like Baal, she thinks that what she's doing now is the only way to achieve greater good.
Beelzebul/Raiden Ei*
@@anxioshcrg490 truee
Guys people in Inazuma refers to her has Baal and the Raiden Shogun. So they're all her names.
Also I agree, with you, I personally think the tsarita is trying to rebels against celestia so if we ignore everything she has to do for her rebellion to be successful, she's not that bad of a person
I thought I would like the tsaritsa since she's fighting celestia, and other archons sorta seem on board w/her plan. But even if it's for the greater good, her methods are making a lot of people suffer, and for that i feel she's going to need some very good redemption arc and not some weak pity story like Ei.
@@anxioshcrg490 she took the name "Baal" after her sister's death so she's technically both *Baal* and *Beelzebul*
This quest is PROOF that the Traveler isn't a self insert character, because if it was truly up to me, I'd 100% have chosen to drink firewater and chill w/ Katarina instead of wandering around babysitting Zhiqiong for days on end.
It’s actually a horrible balance of being somewhat a self insert yet also having no choice over your actions.
i felt so bad being rude to katarina :(
@@-SarahAllycia and to the ninth company. People have been starving for who knows how long and the best we could give them is some raw piece of meat, oof :(
Also it's kinda disappointing for me to see a lot of people found the "I don't like your hat" option funny, it was really atrocious to me
and its kinda disappointing that whatever option we chose , it all leads to the same outcome (most of the time).
Same.. and give those poor fatuis more food..like tf will 4 eggs do for them xD
If you went to the rubble where you found nikolay's last position, a dialog will suggest that nikolay escaped through that tunnel and then it caved in so traveler cannot follow him further. So nikolay is either dead or alive beyond those rocks.
That reminds me: In the Chasm overworld, there’s a tunnel that leads to an undeveloped area which is speculated to be Sumeru. Perhaps he somehow got there?
@@ovp3606 let's hope
@@ovp3606 I hope so but I also hope Katarina did somehow survived so we could see a reunion. I don't wanna be the one that break the news of what happened to her.....
@@ovp3606 where is it
This is technically both Childe and Signora’s faults, but it’s kinda mostly Childe. And if like Signora didn’t bother trolling Childe, then the Fatui’s in the chasm would have been fine
the Quote "if not us then who?" makes more sense since the Skirmishers don`t really mind being Cannon fodders for the harbinger or Snezhnaya as a whole. basically making themselves as disposable pawns of the Tsaritsa.
but now chasm story quest really shows that not all Skirmishers agreed to this Ideals.
"If not us, then who" is russian paratroopers' motto, btw. Battle of 9th company is a famous battle during last days of Soviet Army in Afghanistan. Mihoyo certainly knows what they are doing there.
I even got a screenshot of that quote
I actually can’t believe how much investigation Hoyo is doing when they are making these nations and people. I am slavic too, and as we know Russians have their Vodka (fire-water), here we have a drink called Rakija, and whenever you are injured as a kid (or an adult) your parents will put Rakija on your wounds since it will clear it faster and kill all the bacteria. This really reminded me of my childhood man 🥺 I cant wait to get to Snezhnaya, even if I am different “branch” of Slavic person, I really feel deep bond that mihoyo is presenting in all of Npc’s from Snezhnaya..I loved these quests so much, showing us how random people get tangled up in schemes of big players
me too friend
same here :)
vodka is mostly polish in origin, not russian :)
As fellow slavic I “cant wait” how badly they will pronounce all the slavic names in english (already dying a little after hearing how some CC pronounce Ajax)
@Amami Dreamz Ayaks but CC pronounce it as Adzakz and various variations of that
I'm sure that most of the fatui who had to be on the battlefield were orphans who were raised in special orphanages. So they have been indoctrinated, that they have to pay their dues with war to the last drop of blood. The mission is more important than their lives. Look at fatui who have family, they are placed in a safe place like a bank, or become part of their diplomatic mission.
Makes me think of an anime called 86. The soldiers fight for each other because that's the only family they have and the government takes advantage of that. As long as they're fighting, doesn't matter why. Plus they put the people least likely to fit back into society and most likely to rebel into the most dangerous wartime situations. The "problem" solves itself.
You just did that Shuumatsuban quest for Gendou Ringou didn't you....
The Promised Neverland
The whole raised to be slaughtered thing is so TPN it makes me a bit sad
@@ClintEPereiraYeah, it was that way and continues to be that way.
I feel like what happened was the Qixing mostly trusted the Fatui until word got out about what happened in Mondstadt. Then the Qixing trusted them less. And after what happened with Osial, the Fatui weren’t welcome anymore. It made sense in my head.
But wasn't Mondstadt's problem mostly because of the abyss? Also, Signora made sure not to leave any evidence of anything that happened. And Venti as well as the Traveler decide not to dob them in (I think)
@@chriskh-studentoflight217 You're right the Fatui were pretty hands off due to the abyss and wanted to use that to their advantage diplomatically, it was only after did they directly act but as you said no evidence was left.
@@chriskh-studentoflight217 Well, maybe Ninguang already knew about Fatui's action in Mondstat from Jean. They have quite a professional relationship enough to write a letter to each other. Ninguang did mention that Jean already told her about MC from the letter. So it's possible for Jean to tell what really happened in Mondstat in the letter too.
@@chriskh-studentoflight217 Fatui threatened to kill Dvalin when talking to jean, and jean sends letter to ningguang.
@@chriskh-studentoflight217 you forget about the aristocrats and fatui in eulas quest
Tsaritsa wanted Morax's gnosis and Zhongli wanted to retire, so they made a contract to test Liyue. Signora was appointed as a overseer and Childe as a tester (without him knowing).
Because of "Morax death" during rite of descension, Childe resorted to backup plan, released Osial to lure Morax out. He did this with the belief that Morax would protect Liyue. Zhongli knew this too (he wanted Liyue to be tested after all) and agreed with it.
This led to the breaking of the agreement between Qixing and Fatui, even though Zhongli already hinted to them what actually happened. Then, Qixing cut the food supply to fatui in the Chasm.
Everyone involved (except traveler) has their own fault in this problem. So it's not right to only blame one party.
Edit:
It was Signora's fault. It was her who sealed the deal regarding Chasm with Qixing (based on Fatui Anthon's quest) and the fatui there is Pulcinella's men, so you can say Chasm was under her and Pulcinella's jurisdiction.
you're right i forgot what was the reason why childe did this since i finished this quest almost a year ago thanks for your reminder
As implied by Zhongli himself in Liyue's Final Archon Quest & Azhdaha post-battle dialog, when faced with circumstances beyond their control (let's say erosion for example), the Archons bemoan their lack of power. We've yet to know how a new archon is appointed since there's no action from Celestia whatsoever or does the Qixing know the truth that their broke god is still alive or they've chosen they'll run a nation in godless mode.
There's no official appointment of a new Archon or a rise of a new Archon, rather than a direct replacement like Makoto -> Ei.
As far as I know outside the theory and based on current lore progression, Zhongli did a dirty job by letting go of his duty as an Archon, but at the same time, Liyue has quite matured and managed to stand as a nation without a god, regardless of affecting the innocent Fatui, it's not his people.
Nevertheless we still don't know exactly what's inside the contract, as Signora is Tsaritsa's messenger chosen directly to Morax.
@@asfduejs5813 Welcome :)
I'm sad many people blame Childe for everything when it's actually everyone's fault
@@wakakabomzzzz Yes, there's many things we don't know. But it's not right to only blame the harbingers, particularly Childe when more than one party involved in this matter.
@@akarifuyuki9763 yeaah but im also thinking that all of these are parts of the plan to fight celestia.. i have said it in the other comment the philosophy behind of the train operator and there are two tracks.. one will lead you to the person you love the other will lead you and the passengers to a cliff.. like you could not save everyone even if you want to😞
but im not saying they aren't at fault here.. many people.. childe, zhongli, signora, the tsaritsa, quin-something? and it might be many more we haven't don't know of.. if signora could warn to those people in the chasm they would be still alive
Genshin players before chasm update: Let's kill hilichurls and fatuis !!!
Genshin players after chasm update: Oh dear It is a really sad story. Anyways I need drops to upgrade talents :")
😂
😂
Bruh😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol if I had the choice, I would be a passive genshin player because of the sad lore
Acutally once you go there to the place where the shadowy husk is the next day the books have disappeared this could be because that katarina has come to pick it up after running away from the husk, or it could have just disappeared and she was just simply dead, its quite a open ending and you would interpret the final outcome yourself.
Like how Nikolay could still be alive and the cave just happened to collapse behind him. I'm gonna keep an eye out in Sumeru, maybe they landed up there.
@@PaulStarhaven yeh in that cave there is a small hole that air coming from it maybe he manage to escape through it B4 the collapse reach him
😭😭
The books are in the water, paper deteriorates and vanishes faster
@@ara_ara- doesn’t explain how her bags also disappear
man Katya and Kolya's story was a sad ending .. i wished they would survive T-T
Remember, Zhongli was essentially the mastermind behind the Fatui attack on Liyue Harbor, though Childe didn't know it at the time since last of that plan was for him to swat Osial (and presumably Childe himself) with the full power of the oldest Archon if it looked like Liyue couldn't beat him on there own, and La Signora apparently decided that the possibility getting his Gnosis with his cooperation was worth abandoning the Chasm Fatui to their slow deaths, as well as abandoning their investigation into the Celestial Nail.
Yeah people do tend to forget that Zhongs made all of this possible as sort of a "test" for ppl of Liyue...
Edit; also, Dain did tell us not to trust archons 100%..and as someone who actually reunited us with our sibling i tend to trust him on this one..
So basically those Chasm Fatuis are fucked thanks to Zhongli
@@dreamday988 ah yes a lovely test that would possibly result in the deaths of thousands that even he can never bring back
You know in the beginning zhongli says that he doesn't know anything about aii sibling and after azdaha quest he mentions that he cannot speak cuz of the contract, that was the moment I lost all interest in zhongli, I mean the guy had a lot of chance to come Clean about it but no he didn't and now I hate it whenever he acts like we're friends and any quest 😐
@@InactiveTwig look man, Hoyo’s words, not mine.. At the end of the archon quest he basically admits it all 🤷🏼♀️ also he was ready to i guess jump in if adepti and humans couldn’t stop Osial..Archons don’t understand humans at all, thats the whole point. Zhongli, Ei.. both of them did selfish things for good reasons, Zhongli came up with this “mastermind” plan with Tsaritsa, and Ei basically started the war because she was afraid of change and what will that change bring to people of Inazuma. I guess thats why this game is so good- there is no good or bad its the POV of the characters that counts
She was such a kind character :(
Its so sad cause it is heavely implied that the Milelith didnt cared either for the fatui trapped in the chasm while a lot of them were really caring to protect the people of Liyue and discover what is going on in the chasm and to reveal more about the Calamity which in the longrun would proteft humanity from celestia.The fatui and Tsaritsa had good intetions but looks like that the Tsaritsa doesnt have complete control over her Harbingers or she doesnt look into things herself too which leads to the Harbingers abusing their power and dont think abiht their soldiers
Childe is a diehard loyalist to Tsarita, he wouldn't do something radically different she would
I feel that milelith do care. I remember i did one quest and that it showed that milelith are ready to help the fatui. But ofc, if they wemt against the qixing, they know that they will be considered traitors and removed from ministery of civil affairs. Their only source of income is through the ministry, can't really blame them. The real ones to be blamed are harbingers. Knowing that the qixing is no longer trusting them and will abandon the chasm agreement, they should have arranged the facilities to escort out the fatui from the chasm. But alas, their main goal is to get the gnosis and dont give a f about their soldiers.
@@mythical9163 idk in the quest were you give food at the fatui agents in the chasm there is a note that orders the milelith to not even tell to the fatui what happened let alone go near them so to me its as much their fault for the fatui agents being trapped down there with nothing that is of the harbingers too.
@@mythical9163 The *few* milelith stationed there did care. Liyue's governing body as a whole did not. Surprise surprise.. when fictions gets based on real life politics shit just happens.
blame "favourite water boy" for that. it's because of him milelith finally snaps and cut off the fatui.
that a-hole just went and unleashed a calamity. that could turn into a massive tragedy if we and the gang could't handle it.
Zhong li my intervene if it comes to it, but who knows? he decided to retire after all, and might be under contract to not intervene.
god i hate that boy
According to the main story, signora KNOWS what childe is like, and thus devised the plan with zhongli so that childe will undoubtedly use the sigils to summon osial. She, while knowing this, also took no action to warn or call back the fatuis in the chasm.
I cant blame the fatuis for the things that happened...only the harbringers and its irritating when mc and paimon become hostile to every single one of them for no reason
"Since you're the bad guy here,why don't you explain yourself first?"
Said the same person who was unfairly labeled as a criminal in Liyue and Inazuma😅
I mean...the empathy lol
Yh like honestly the traveler is just racist to all snezhnians
@@sil8252 and one who ended an entire samurai clan for a freaking chest
@@notavailable8201 woah woah woah get your facts right it wasn’t just one chest, murdering the entire clan gave like 5 primos too!
@@notavailable8201 if they know they can be wiped by one person, would they even want to continue as a clan tho
Poor Fatui. The are like Real Life Soldiers. Some of them.
Useful Pawns ready to be cast away and forgotten whenever convenient from the higher ups, especially the Harbingers.
fr fr I quickly remember soldiers being deployed in everywhere around the world
At least with Childe he actually treats them quite nicely. Being with Scaramouche would be a pain and a half as a fatui soldier
@@s2wuolf508 and being with dotorre would be even worse
Sounds like russia now
@@s2wuolf508 Sad how Childe is too Busy with Scaramouche right now.
as soon as i finished Katarina's follow-up quest, with its Glaring Deathflag, i teleported to the Grand Narukami Shrine, rushing to get a fortune slip.
there was no new dialogue where the Traveler could tell Gendou Ringo of Nikolay and Katarina in The Chasm.
THAT was what hit me hardest, with this questline, because I could tell that withholding the option was a Deliberate Choice by both Mihoyo & the Traveler: whenever they can, the Traveler withholds painful truths and implications from Paimon and from NPCs.
i REALLY hope that Sumeru comes with a lot of levity because Dragonspine, Higi Village, Ayase Shrine, Tsurumi Island, Enkanomiya, and The Chasm have been one heartbreaking setting after another. The Irodori Festival was a very welcome break, even with the looming threat of Klee Meeting Yoimiya.
Wait, talking to someone at the grand narukami shrine about character deaths is a thing? I had no idea
@@lazilylapis676 no, tragically. the shrine maidens get new dialogue after certain world quests but, outside of [Kazari], there is no option to ask nor inform any of them of such matters. which. ouch. gendou ringo. ;__;
It's 2 years late, but how was your experience with Sumeru? Was it a little less levity?
@@user-br4qy6cj5g Sumeru's world quests were surprisingly wholesome?? Until the desert, that is. Turned out they hid the angst in the sands. But the main questlines of Sumeru were ultimately uplifting! Fontaine's world quests, on the other hand, "mask" their sense of existential dread behind very cute quest NPCs. So far, Fontaine's quests haven't instilled as much dread as Dragonspine, Inazuma or Sumeru's desert. Instead, Fontaine lets the near-dead silence from characters underwater do the "spooking" (lol).
@@BattyButtercup 👍🏻
I feel like the more we progress through Teyvat, we see more Fatuis as someone who's just doing what they are told rather than pure evil.
At the beginning The game teach us that the fatui are the bad guys. But as we progress through the lore, we get more mature and learn a lot more things about people and their actions, and how human they all are. Which means, in the end, theres no good or bad sides. Its all about perspective.
The archons also have their own flaws, even tho thr game doesnt show it explicitly, it still shows that they arent pure and each character will do what they want according to the situation. The fatuis are overall bad, but still, from their perspective its not bad. Lyue people aremt that good as they say, otherwise lots of other things wouldnt have happened. Neither mondtsad people, venti just left his people all alone, and so is Inazuma, full of suffering caused by their archon.
In the end, genshin has a big depressing lore, that shows how humans can be selfish and evil. And still, its all about perspective.
@@_Vino. well that's just how humanity roles & this is still a mihoyo game
Katarina's questline made me legit sad, i wanted her to have a happier ending.
Also, about anton's group, the soldier who was antons friend is the same that was posing as a treasure hoarder in the surface, sadly you can't mention about him to anton or vice versa
Ever since that quest with the fatui just picking berries, I've always started feeling weird fighting them
lmao yeah that fatui from ganyus story quest
This quest really reminded me of that one quest in inazuma called the "Fate of the fighter"
The Samurai atop the Ship debris on Inazuma beach then burried later near a Leyline Blossom where we would fight 3 Ruin Scouts?
@@anxioshcrg490 Yeah that one but there were some ronins and kairagi before we killed them
Me before the Chasm update : *kills Hilichurls and Fatui without hesitation
Me after the Chadm update : *says sorry to them and feels sad while still killing them without hesitation
Me: Still Kills them without hesitation afterwards.
If it's any comfort they always respawn so I'm pretty sure traveler just beats them into submission rather than killing them
@@catpoke9557 Treasure hoarders are not killed, they just go poof. I don't think we've killed anyone so far.
When I first played dark souls one, there were many moments that I still remember to this day, one of them is the sad endings of every character, no matter how tenacious, how brave, strong, or smart that character may be, all of them shared the same fate, become hollow(which is basically dying in dark souls). And I feel the exact same feeling when playing in the chasm, most of the NPCs here get lost, went crazy, or died to some monster. And the fact that you are forced to see that happen without the chance to do something about it makes me feel so powerless.
I'm sorry if I don't express myself correctly, but my English is not that great.
yooo i also thought the same thing
I love how Hoyoverse instills on the players that war is stupid, and often evoke due to one man's pride or ego, and if you put on the shoes of others, you can then only know of the circumstances around them and how that affects them to be who they are.
Honestly, it has always been scary to me how the traveler and paimon go on a killing spree and kill everything in a hilichurl or fatui camp. And after the Chasm quests, this feeling only has gotten stronger.
this only the gameplay tho has nothing to do with the lore
How can this be ? There is no way Lvl 93. Electro Cicin Mage lose to Lvl. 93 Shadow Husk.
Especially you fought near Water.
Katarina should won this match.
It's based on lore and she became weak because she didn't eat much.
Maybe it wasnt a fight but more of a dying will, being with her brother the one she truly cared about
Probably shes distressed about the loss of her brother, therefore she loses the will to fight and gave up
Most likely she no longer had the will to survive, especially with her brother gone. She was stuck in the Chasm with no supplies, she either had to rot away at her Camp or die fighting.
Even if Katarina's on her prime, she would've still lost to the Shadowy Husk
The chasm was genuinely the most beautifully heart breaking update so far, I felt really bad for katerina and antons group and I hope they all made it out and are hopefully residing somewhere in sumeru with nikolai. The new update is hopefully going to show how much more human the fatui than they’re deemed to be. Ever since ganyu’s story quest had a fatui picking berries get threatened just for being fatui, it had made me stop actively hunting for fatui and instead fight them in self defence or when they’re blocking the dirt road.
Yes and in the lantern rite cutscene you can see fatui diplomats just enjoying like everyone else
Sadge
The thing I admire and hate the most from fatui is their willingness to sacrifice anything to achieve their goal. It's much harder than it sounds, but failing is not an option either considering what tsaritsa's ultimate goal is. It's cool how they would press onward no matter what, but that means more problems to solve for the traveler lmao
Where we find the diary of Nikolay mentioning the shadowy husk coming towards him there is like a tunnel/wall blocked up with rubble and when u go near it there is even a dialogue of paimon the dialogue indicates that nikolay might have escaped through this very tunnel.
Let's be real, the fatui will not be the real evil in this story. We might also be fighting along side them.
I assume when we get to Snezhnaya, we will at one point fight alongside them.
Maybe similar to what happened in Inazuma, the people were split into two opposing groups : Tsaritsa's supporter and rebel.
or the Abyss did something and we have to work with Fatui to bring their plan down.
I believe that's going to be a big mess by the end of this game. Looks like the travellers had close ties with celestia at some point of their lives, but they tried to run away for some reason (?) And Tsaritsa is leading a rebellion against the divine, so the traveller will be siding with her against celestia? Also Kaenri'ah and the abyss are tied to this somehow? There's a lot details lacking, but the only thing that's certain is that celestia is probably the most messed up entity of Teyvat, and they bring the nail upon everyone who dares challenging their principles.
@@HenSt-gz7qj Tbh, I think in the end, the abyss order, fatui and all archons will join forces to go against celestia, since it seems it's their common enemy.
Maybe not all of them but they still constantly try to cause harm to people. They can't really be the "good guys". Though we don't know their full intentions, they're methods are questionable or just unacceptable. This seems like it's going to be one of those plots where no one is the "good guy" just people trying to do what's best for them and loved ones. _Maybe_ Celestia could be the true enemy but everyone is kind of off as it seems so far.
@Harry Shade haha running around defending celestia's action, won't be surprised if you would be really mad if the game directions is going to destroy celestia, kill the sustainer, and take down the second throne
I've been a fatui lover and apologist since I started playing the game. I love how the fatui have distinct personalities and behaviors, it really makes you sympathize with them even more
You know what, I think this game is worthless if there is no Fatui in it.
What motivate me playing this game is seeing all this cute chincin mage XD
Agreed, the only fatui i don't like is dotorre
Personality carries the story. I wouldn’t even look at the Abyss Monsters if it weren’t for Enjou.
@@athendity2567 Enjou is amazing
@@athendity2567 right! I hope they show off more enemies with personalities as strong as Enjou's in the future
Depending on the mood of the creators, they may still be alive. Just like Joel's missing father finally was found. I thought Joel's dad died earlier from the quests.
well.. that quest also kinda implies that his father is one of the sentient whopper flowers because he doesnt remember anything about his life with Joel(which fair could just be because he hit his head), but there are two of albedos "brothers" in total, one of them still posing as albedo and one posing as joels father. Because if you do follow the trail Joels father leaves behind also heavily implies he met his end when he fell down the mountain which was quite a while ago before he was found by Palad. We dont actually have time perception of how long it has been for us on Teyvat, but its fair to assume that its been the same amount as it has been for us in real life which is almost two years. So if we do use our time frame, Joels dad has been up on the mountain for months to a year after he fell and its possible he did perrish and the whopperflower replaced him.
Teyvat has its own laws anyway
@@alexblack4048 no
Yes please I would die for a quest where Katrina and Nikolay are alive and reunited 😭
@@alexblack4048 pretty much. I also belive that theory
At least, if hes not a woopflowr,somehow he got affected by the leylines or some magical power
Theres no sense him surviving all alone without any magical help after his desaster (getting lost in dragonspine)
T_T
I didn't expect that Katy died too
I have followed to the same path to the cave, but didn't find a clue about her.
Then this video explained. What a sad story.
6:14 people are gonna hate Childe again
He is antagonist for a reason
It would be well deserved... Guy is a fucking psycho
Still, he didn't want that either (In the golden house, he said that he didn't like the plan that involved in other people either). That's why Fatui soldiers still wants to work under him.
@@Vergil_Sparda Indeed.
It's not Childe who halted these Fatui's food supplies though, it was another harbinger
Even the lumenstone adjuvant light cannot keep up with the dark story of these fatuis and hilicurls
I think alot and scare about how familar Fatui and Russian's Army and how Mihoyo successfully describe it in The Chasm. They brave, fighting for motherland and extremely obedient to orders, despite they become someone enemy. It's not all soldier's fault
And many more things like the the 'bad side' of the culture on each region that is suprisingly accurate if you're from the same culture. They did their research well
This quest make me rlly sad how far Tsaritsa or the fatui will go after his objectives, and why those people of Snez believe so much in her will, well i bet not all people agree with her and we will make a change in this policy in the future when we arrive to Snezhaya
what's more if she's playable in the future, which means Traveler will make "peace" with her thus allowing her to be our companion.
@@HenSt-gz7qj yep but before that, highly likely there will be a boss fight first
@@HenSt-gz7qj yeah if they make her have a crush on travelar and the things that she did will never bring to justice i will be so angry
Well, all we know, as people make a choice to be a Fatui from Childs story. This is not obligatory.
Anton mentioned a growing dark and 500-years war, so they probably know that they are fighting for the future of Teyvat.
Furthermore, what if they basically cannot say about it load in order to not to face Orobaxis fate and sp are pretended to be bad guys
@@CoffeeCup22001 The archons are treating the Gnosis so careless maybe they dont like being in contact with celestia after all or dont even want to mention
As we know the gnosis boost the elemental power to do things beyond human compreention (like make mora) Ei without it it's so damn OP
I think in the end all of Tsaritsa efforts will be in vain and we will join forces with her against Celestia
After doing both the Faui and Katarina quests, I came to realize small things about the Fatui, such as that the Electro and Cryo cicins walk in a kinda childish game way, like a kid pretending to be a soldier. That adds up to the things we learn about Katarina in the Chasm, of how she enjoys playing with her brother and enjoying her life. In every new patch we learn more and more that the world of Teyvat is not black and white, good and evil, but many different people with different opinions. The line of good and evil and how the traveler should handle situations in the future is becoming more and more blurred with every update (and we're still in nation 3 of the 7).
"War is war, there are no eternal allies or perpetual enemies" She singlehandedly made the Fatui gain my respect. The Chasm update got me soft man, shits sad
Thanks for this, I actually found that letter near that shadowy husk, read it but didn't pay attention to it. Didn't realise that's where poor Katarina met her end...and I was waiting for another tea party too....
The storyline here also shows that there's always two sides to every story, how the Fatui aren't just bad guys, just the enemy on the other side fighting for their beliefs. Just like the hilichurls aren't necessary bad, just cursed. Whose to say we aren't the bad guys for stopping the Fatui help the Tsaritsa fight against Celestia?
If only I didn't need their drops for leveling up I wouldn't have to beat them up so much....
😔 🤭
I agree with you
Pretty sure they will be sorta bad guys anyway . "Ends justify the means" thing they have going only goes so far. At some point , you reach a point of no return and then your goal just gets corrupted itself
that the point, mihoyo intentionaly make us the bad guy
@Harry Shade read some lore in game, you will find out about calestia, heck even calestia right now is diffrent with calestia in the past, meaning right now calestia have different god in the trone
One of the things I like about Genshin is the humanization of the "enemy". All of the fatui soldiers, and the hilichurls, they're all normal people (or were). Everyone has a reason, and the motives behind the Abyss Order and the Fatui make you question the norms of Teyvat. I would write more but as Paimon says, I'm "all out of brain juice".
Katarina and Lyudochka's stories are arguably the best NPC stories in the game so far, both of their stories tear my heart apart, the way Katarina met her end despite not knowing that the Fatui have been portrayed as the bad guys now, and the good and touching ending Lyudochka was able to get in the end but sad ending for the Shrine Maiden Ninja because she even lost one of her eyes iirc
At least they've reunited, even in the afterlife.
And Lyudochka having the life she wants in peace.
I´ve seen her in the vid and her name in the comments a couple of times but I can´t remember a Fatui NPC by the name Lyudochka or a quest with her. Was it a timed event that I missed?
@@schrodingerskatze6487 Lyudochka is a Fatuus NPC in Inazuma. here's the world quest
ruclips.net/video/3grWJ-rveJk/видео.html
@@starside5990 Thanks, gonna Check it out.
If you come back another day to where you find Nikolay's letter to Katarina, you'll notice it's no longer near where we killed the Shadowy Husk. You also weren't able to take the letter when we found it after killing the husk. Im not 100% sure but it could imply she ain't dead and that in a rush, she ran off and left her bags and belongings to escape the husk. After we killed the husk, Katarina managed to retrieve her items and continue her search.
This quest reminded me that most of the fatui are helpless orphans
This quest is all I ever hoped from Genshin, it's dark and yet it's very entertaining. I really like the "darksouls" vibe that npcs are not all that bad but very ambiguous. You will not know which one will take a jump on you, and who will become your friend or heck who will you take empathy for.
Travelers: kill every fatui to get materials
Also Travelers when hearing a Fatui died in Chasm "You don't deserve to die"
yeahh that's me i have 4k+ of hilichurl's and 2k+ fatui's drops and after all these quests it makes me regret what i have done to them 😞
I cant blame childe solely, that commotion was because dongli wants to test the people of liyue as well, so technically he also takes the blame.
I feel like with every archon quest the Traveler’s personality & the way they act changes.
Till the end of “We Will Be Reunited” they REALLY wanted to know where their sibling was, after that tho, since they knew where they were, I feel like the Traveler’s been a little more chill, & is actually trying to find out the secrets of Teyvat.
You know what
House of hearth
Defenetly reminds me of cards
What if there is house of spade, house of diamond, house of club
Like the 4 symbols on cards
Heart, spade, diamond, club
But the 4 being prominant nobility in sneznaya that would be cool
And this ninth company is under house of hearth
its hearth, not heart.
hearth means “fireplace”
Cruabena's fam😔
Hmm. So the Tsaritsa has an end game planned in preparation of this "Long Night"
And its big enough that she's willing to throw everything minus the Kitchen Sink for it.
And the Fatui are like The Clones. Good Soldiers and sadly Disposable.
well its been hinted many times over and it's pretty obvious too.
Tsaritsa always wanted to bring the Celestia down, but for that she needed to amass power and army strong enough to fight Celestia. That's what the Fatui, the gnosys, and the delusions are for.
What we don't know is the reason behind that plan.
@@HenSt-gz7qj Probably the reason is connected with the Kaheri'ah's calamity and "that thing" that Ei mention in her Vietnam's flasbacks.
“The mission… the nightmares… they’re finally over.”
Wait, wasn't Childe's whole plot in Liyue a direct order from the Tsaritsa relayed to him by Signora? Who also omitted from him some important details such as the fake Exuvia and Zhongli's identity (which I'm going to guess the Tsaritsa also told Signora not to tell Childe about it). Or am I remembering it wrong?
that's the point. the archon, qixing, and harbingers only saw those work in chasm as merely pawns for their interest, zhongli included.
@@hirumakazeko zhongli as a pawn or he as a higher up ?
@@user-fs4ws1if4f higher up
Everyone (except traveler) has their share of blame
@@CoffeeCup22001 I mean, in Liyue arc, traveler wasn't guilty because they didn't know anything and dragged into trouble Liyue arc still pisses me off.
Snezhevna is a common surname for the orphans in Arlecchino's orphanages
Atleast Katarina and Nikolay finally reunited...
Hoyoverse is really doing a great job making every faction realistic. No one is absolutely good or evil. Just as the Fatui and Abyss Order are sympathetic, the Knights of Favonius, the Liyue Qixing and the Inazuman Shogunate are also quite shady at times. The cover up of Crepus Ragvindyr's death and the backhanded way the Ministry of Civil affairs is dealing with the Chasm crisis (aka having the traveler and a rag tag group of people do it for them with no proper credit. Just hush money) and the seemingly endless internal conflict among the Tri commission. Everyone is just doing what they believe is the right thing to do.
The build up for Khaenri'ah and Snezhnaya is really good. A lot of mixed feelings to be had, but in the end the Traveler will do what's the 'kind' thing to do. Because to me the Traveler values kindness above all. If someone is desprate for help, they will help eventually even if they do pretend to do not want to.
Signora striking those deals and then using Childe as a scapegoat shows that was her plan all along. She cared only about her own view, Childe was yet another pawn to her. And in the end she died because of her own schemes. She never cared about her own subordinates, in fact the Harbingers are disposable tools for the Tsaritsa as the Fatui are for the Harbingers (Anton further confirms in one of his lines). Katarina died because she despised the idea of running away as it would be treason, her lines heavily imply this. Sorry but this is reality. To hope otherwise is to fool yourself.
Katarina: “why are you attacking me??”
Me: “I’ve warped to this waypoint about 50 times and each time you come trying to rip my entrails out”
Huh it's good to know that Signora at least has a connection to this!!
I mean, Signora was very much aware of what Childe was going to do, on account of the fact that it was part of her deal with Zhongli to test the people of Liyue in exchange for the Geo Gnosis. It's just that she didn't care enough to pull her troops out of the Chasm first. Zhongli also gets a share of the blame, since this whole stunt was his idea and blew up diplomatic relations between Liyue and the Fatui with no consideration for how that would affect the average schmucks. I wonder how it would go if it came out that this was all Rex Lapis's plan...
Zhongli, as hard as he tries to understand and be mortal, will never be success. His plan is already problematic when he forgot to save mora for living. He didn't see far ahead, about economy, safety of citizens, etc.
Everyone involved (except traveler) has their share of blame.
Katya was awesome, I really hope she isn't dead although all routes lead to that being so.
Hoyoverse, when will we get a playable Fatuus Orphan, I've always liked their designs.
apparently if you go to the spot after you found the letter, the books and the bag will be gone which could mean she came back to get them
Dang it Tartaglia, look and what you’ve gone and done!😤😤
Childe: lol
Just like how in the real world the actual evils are the ones in charge and higher ups, these fatui soldiers are largely just orphans that had no choice but to do as they are told. Even Anton's comrades don't want to leave the chasm at first because their duty was to protect the liyue civilians, even after learning of what happened outside and how everyone hates them.
Damn, Mililieth should atleast tell The Fatui Brigade what happen on surface instead just leaving them clueless. They really putting their live for people there. Anton even make friend with one of them.
well... they did left supply and warning
I'm not inclined to blame the Millelith compared to their higher ups i.e. the Qixing, who gave the orders to seal the chasm. And the harbingers who basically soured relations with liyue. It's also heavily implied that Ningguang herself sealed the chasm, since basically a geo catalyst is needed if youre not as powerful as the traveller to unseal those rock energy formations. (Just my theory)
At the end of the day, the Millelith are like the Fatui, who are simply following orders. And yes they did leave the fatui some supplies which I think is as much as they could do under strict orders to abandon the chasm. It's those higher ups who had the power to prevent this (like the the tsaritsa and harbingers, and even zhongli), who should bear the full responsibility.
I found that letter on my own while I was wandering and felt so sad. Had to leave a pin on the map I named "RIP Katarina" to remember her by since we can't place any memorial objects in-game. Lyudochka, Anton and his group, and Katarina really show that the fatui are purely evil
I see a lot of YT channels that focus on the game mechanics, best builds, etc. I am so happy to see that I am not the only one who cares more about the wonderful stories told in the game!
Not only childe but also zhongli's planning that act together
Actually, Child did not plan anything, he only followed plan B when he discovered that the exhuvia was false and that, therefore, Morax was still alive. Childe was just a pawn in the Zhongli and Singnora's game.
Bro, i was so upset with this quest. I wish Katya is still alive and she actually met then other soldiers on their way back. Of all the fatuis we've ever met, they were innocent one, only doing their duties without harming other people. Hopefully in later patch there's a continuation to this quest at least where it's implying that she's still alive
The saddest part is it is also happening in real life, most of the leaders don't care about their actions whether it will affect their soldiers' life or not
I’ve always been super interested in the fatui, and I’m super glad that Hoyoverse decided to show us their human side.
So we already have a kind of game-breaking sumeru assisting reward for completing the chasm (at least the description is such... in reality i doubt it will help in anything)... i wonder if it will affect snezhnaya as well. Here's hoping to see more of her... AND HER BROTHER. We leave no men behind!
One thing that im really annoyed about is that childe's actions in liyue doesn't match his personality. He's a man who cares about his family and would risk his life to protect them. He's the one who said if u give someone a dream you protect it till the end. He knows the fatui members have family. He knows there are families of common folk in liyue. And despite that he did not care for a single bit when summoning osial on liyue. I do not understand why he would do that even for the tsaritsa. I just cant see him doing that with his free will with that
Actually in the moment when Childe tries to take the gnosis he realizes that it is not there and therefore the corpse is false, then it is logical to think that morax's death was a farce too, then ossial's plan as plan b makes sense, if Morax he is still alive so he will surely defeat ossial if the liyue people cannot defeat him, which Zhongli confirms for us, and on top of that he adds that Childe himself would have intervened if everything got out of control and Morax did not appear on time, since Zhongli knew well to Childe and his code of honor. And Signora was counting on if all else failed she would at least see Liyue destroyed which would be a good thing for her since she seems to hate everyone.
what?! oh hell no, i refuse that katarina is..... fuckin' hell 😭
The whole Chasm storyline shows us the human side of low-key all of the enemies, which is by the way the most depressing side
At the end of the day, even the soldiers and grunts of the fatui are also people: Katarina, Nikolay, Anton's quartet, the agent in barbatos church, the berry fatui dude in ganyu's quest, even Vlad n Nadia...
I hope we don't need to wait till 7.0 for Traveler to stop hating Fatui indiscriminately. Teppei had his own agency its not like he was directly killed by Fatui. I have really hated how Traveler acts toward Fatui ever since then
Well we can’t really blame the Traveler here (kind of), especially after what they experienced with the Fatui so far. First, Signora’s attack on Venti, Childe unleashing Osial, and the time with Scaramouche. So I think it would be understandable why the Traveler acts this way towards the Fatui.
It seems that I'd rather defeat Fatui & Hilichurls if they had a Chests I haven't obtained then never bother them again or if it were through a Quest, I've memorized some Leylines where I can defeat them & feel less bad about it sucks for ascending characters, now among the 27 roleplayable characters I have, just 5 Lvl. 70/70 Electro for each Acquaint Fate then I'mma suffer farming Artifacts & never try Spiral Abyss Floors 9-12 as the casual that I am.
I never bother with Spiral Abyss either (after completing 8th floor). I just don't like that kind of challenge, prefer puzzles or some chain quests if possible.
Wish we have something to do after completing all the explorations...
What's left are the daily commissions, spending resins, and tending teapot (on hold at the moment).
Just adding that the ‘undetected infiltration’ quest with yanbo is also related. When defeating the ‘Treasure Hoarder’, one wave is two Fatui. And when finish the quest, talk to yanbo, he would say the Treasure Hoarder is just selling food to the Fatui i.e. the supply line…
awhhh i was hoping to see her again.....idk why i still remember her after so long....i wasnt even in inazuma when i did the chasm quest like ar 30-40 something...now im ar57
My kokoro ahhh, i found that letter but i didn't know that it belongs to her. It so sad that she died.
Same😢
The chasm show how world and war suppose to be in my opinion. The big shot do something and those lower rank never have a chance to prepare themself, those Fatui were sent to help in that time but with childe plan,they become criminal and stuck in the chasm, Never knew will they have a chance to go back to motherland again
This is why i freaking hate tartagria
this sums up the uhh..
how the higher ups treat their soldiers in real life
The Fatui we see are just soldiers following orders, with only their camaraderie and faith in their greater purpose keeping them going. In such a harsh environment that they live, it makes sense that their security of at least having each other can not only be their biggest relief but also their biggest exploit.
I miss katarina and i found her stuff after the quest damn you hoyoverse making me fall in love with an npc only to snatch them away
They are now showing their true colors. Honkai and gun girl z started it.
as dark as The Chasm itself, Darks story also lies in it. like How Hillicurls come to chasm only to wait for their death. and how the Shadow Husk protect those Hillicurls for their last rest as the protector because they promise to keep save all Kaenriah people as Kaenriah soldiers. how the Fatui who send there (to chasm) neglected and forgotten like they never exist. #SpoilerAlert
this update not only made me feel sad for the hillichurls.. but also the fatui.. like okay make me feel more bad for having to killing them on my daily basis
We done being sad for civilians, hillichurls, fatui..
Next, Mihoyo gonna make us sad for a rock
I got woke feelings about Fatui / Fatuus when Katarina and Aton is light side of them
Never consider them as bad guy just because they from evil nation, they just humans following what's is right for them. Fragile yet sturdy enough to prevailed... Like cryo.
Welp, even if defeating that Hydro Lance Shadowy Husk/Black Serpent Knight, calling that vengeance or avenging them, if you think about it, what those Armored Husks did can also be merciful & who we can better blame were among the most Harbingers that had been full of themselves such as Signora & Dottore or just don't & stay with our Tabibito's neutrality
haven't played in about a month, but damn, this put actual tears on my face.
Cat: How many times you want to replay childe's hoola hoop cutscene?
Also Cat: Yes