the punch he did was to demonstrate the karate punch in normal speed then the vid skipped to the second punch which is his jeet kune do punch in slow motion.
That is truly amazing. Goes to show people the only limts that we have sometimes is the ones set for ourselves and Bruce Lee surpassed the average human being limts.
I have nothing against Bruce, in fact Im a huge fan of his. I still think he is the greatest martial artist to ever grace the big screen, his unique style was mesmerizing, and his hunger for perfecting his fighting ability and his great understanding of fighting and the use of the body really shone through even on screen.
Listen everyone! I'm happy to share my research on Bruce Lee but you all have to quit using foul language and appreciate my hard work and dedication to bringing these facts to light. OK now IF you are all calmed down, Bruce Lee was, as many know, lactose intolerant, and as such, often felt a deep seeded anger towards the bovine. He was open about this and often practiced karate on cows. Asked about this he was quoted "The cow are not like water, they only respect fork and steak knife."
@TOWinkworthIpswich throwing hooks does make your punch shorter, but also note that it is VERY useful at certain times. Straight punches have their weaknesses too. In that you can punch AROUND them. You should see how many people Roy Jones counter-left hooked while they threw a straight punch LOL, it made them look extremely silly. And made him seem untouchable.
Not known my many that Bruce Lee admittedly learned to find as defense to get away from his uncle Darnel's advances as a child. His uncle would often try to get Bruce to sit on his lap and touch him inappropriately . Being that Bruce was sitting on his lap meant he was extremely close to his uncle and in order to strike him effectively he had to develop a technique to strike at close range without having the ability to "cock" his punches. Thus the 1 inch punch was developed.
@lildertygangsta the idea is not to stick to one or other styles, it is to be compiled as one, not a style of your own, but a style of one self- threw fighting style and philsopy, using what is useful to you.
I was going to stop sharing my wisdom on Bruce because of the hate comments but then I decided I would only being doing a dis-service to the masses. Unknown to those outside his circle, Bruce's favorite food was Captain Crunch cereal and his favorite beverage was grape Kool-Aid. He often kept several months supply in his home for fear of a shortage. It was speculated he may have had an excessive amount of sugar in his system when he assed contributing to his demise.....You be the judge
But that doesn't mean he was a unbeatable fighter! He himself admitted he was unable to fight grapplers, which is why he learnt judo. Bruce fathered mixed martial arts, he never mastered it.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY All likelihood is that if bruce throws any kicks, the Pacman will either take them on the legs/core/shoulders and close the gap. Lee would not want to lose his balance, and he definiitley would not be able to kick while Pacman barrages him with his thunderous punches. Unless you've boxed for quite a while, you simply cannt appreciate how good pacquiao is. He is something really special, hes not just any boxer. Lee would not have the confidence to even take him on
there are videos of him in real time speed let me tell you. As soon as he finshed the one inch punch demo they switched into his speed punch routine. DUDE you can barely see the punch its like boom boom! done mega fast
I am sick and tired of deluded martial art movie addicts making the wildest and most far-fetched claims about bruce lee as if he was this untouchable, super-quick, mega-powerful fighting machine that could defeat any man on the face of the earth. It honestly shows that they know absolutely nothing at all about actual fighting and how much skill, confidence and experience it takes to really dominate a worthy opponent in a real fight. Bruce would get HOSPITALISED, maybe even killed by Mike Tyson
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Its more likely that mike would hammer his head with his fist, while he tries to kick him. Nah, more realistically, he would probable just turn his hips to the side to avoid the groin kick. Its very easy for a man with his reaction speeds... after that, i could easily see him either crushing bruce's skull with a barrage of hooks, or he might just use his enormous power and athletism to just wrestle him to the floor and pound his face until it becomes a frisbee.
I'm amazed people are thinking this "bastiglione" is sincere or "retarded" or whatever. It's pretty clear he's trying to get a rise out of people - successfully. (Some of the shit he says is kinda funny too xD)
Listen, what I do isn’t funny, it's education and fortunate for everyone I don’t charge membership fees for my knowledge of "BruBru", that's what close friends called him. Anyway, the large following and support I have received further inspire my dedication to sharing facts on "Big Papa L"; this is often how relatives and fellow members of our secret Bruce Lee society reference him. I leave you today with this; Big Papa L did in fact only possess one testicle after a nunchuk demo gone awry.
@TOWinkworthIpswich Later on in life, Bruce realised the beauty in the science of boxing. It has been at a competitive level for over 100 years, and has developed so much, that it cannot be improved on much. When a boxer throws a punch with one hand, he immediately twists his body to wind up ready for a punch with the other hand. While the punching hand is extended (not hooks), it is blocking from MOST attacks and acts as an obstacle. You CAN block and attack at the same time. Just not 100%
There's debate about Bruce Lee ever having formal martial arts training. It is understood he was actually gay from a young age and only put up a fighter persona to overshadow letting his love for men show.
@TOWinkworthIpswich And still hes one of the most successful fighters in the history of boxing. He messes with their minds IN the ring, not with showboating, (well, a little bit), but with an early display of his magnificent speed and power, which shocks almost all his opponents, and then he has been known to go against the ropes and take a beating (eg cotto fight), to make the opponent question himself. He feints, urges the opponent on, he even nods at the opponent as if it is a lesson.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Another example where Lee realised he wasn't good enough was after the Wong Jack Man fight that he *supposedly* won. (some say it was a draw). This was when he realised his wing tsun was only restricting him in fights. So, guess what, he wasn't that great, once. Surprise, surprise. People aren't born great, they work and develop to become great. And that's exactly what Pacman did. He is now a boxing great, and NOONE can deny that, because the evidence is there for all.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY The fact that Pacquiao got beat once proved nothing other than the fact that he wasn't that great a boxer once. Big deal. After training with Gene LeBell, Bruce realised he was MUCH more vulnerable than he realised. So he trained in grappling. I guarantee that if Gene and Lee ever fought Lee would have got submitted within seconds. Lee was NOT invulnerable. He had weaknesses, and was human.
@TOWinkworthIpswich Trust me, combos are NOT an instant fail, if you pick them right for the right occasion. LOL, you can;t just go ok, left, right hook, uppercut lol, you need to pick you shots, and prepare of the worst. Combos keep the opponent thinking, and you attacking
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY he did get ktfo, you're right. He got punched on the button and he didn't see it. But that was the pacman before he had become the fighter he is known as today. A furiously fast and powerful puncher, with technical ability also head and shoulders above the rest (bar mayweather). What's the matter, nothing useful left to say?
@TOWinkworthIpswich I think you have been polite in this discussion, and even though my temper flared, you did not retaliate with insults. Apologies for any of my insults, we can continue this tomorrow if you like. For now, I need to sleep, I have work 2moro! Referring to your remaining comments 1, Tyson used his height to his advantage. He ducked low, and used his massive legs to deliver deadly blows. And boy, was he fassst. 2, you can also throw a hook while moving 3, lol only at right time
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Btw Pacquiao is apparently trained in muay thai, and has been known to throw a few head kicks to bags in training. He used muay thai as conditioning for the dela hoya fight. But that's beside the point. Even with just his boxing skills, i think he would beat bruce lee down.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY You are absolutely right about that. In fact, the more two people fight, (and no-one totally dominates the other) i would say, the more equal the chances get of who wins; each becomes used to the others' way of fighting, their openings, weaknesses.. When I say who would win im speaking of probability. To me, it is more probable that Pacquiao would beat Lee, both in their primes. Pacman is so damn fast and powerful its not funny... this is undeniable. Lee's credentials are.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Pacquaio would obliterate him in a fist fight, and gsp would murder him in both stand up and his ground game. Not only are they both freakishly strong for their weights/frames, but theyre both also EXTREMELY quick, and accurate. More importantly, they would be faster than bruce, because they would have to think less about what theyre opponent is doing. Meaning more speed. Practise makes perfect, and sparring is the closest you can get to perfecting your fighting ability.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Realistically, Ive seen enough fights to know what Lee would have been capable of. His kicks were really not as powerful as they are made to look, but they were definitely fast. His snapping punches would be able to stun an untrained fighter, but i guarantee that if he ever had to fight with a heavier opponent, they would be thrown out of his arsenal. Most importantly is confidence. Lee would not have the mindset to defeat any of the three i have mentioned. He was unproven.
@TOWinkworthIpswich You are looking at things so simply. Royjones and naseem's way isnt the only way to mess with heads LOL. There are many ways you could throw of an opponent, if you're good enough.
@TOWinkworthIpswich He would be overwhelmed, there's no doubt. Go and watch Lee sparring, then compare it to the possibility that his opponent is the typhoon that is Manny Pacquiao. Have you even seen him fight? Talking about him throwing hooks lol, as if he's some sort of mindless slugger lol
@TOWinkworthIpswich LOL strategy is decided DURING a fight. It can be split second, but if you have enough experience. thats the keyword: EXPERIENCE, you will be able to make quick judgements as to the (possible) weaknesses or strengths of your opponent. Im not a fantastic fighter, its not like Ive won anything that wasn't point-based to prove it. I dont pretend to be. But here I am debating with a 19 year old whos probably just got his first chin-up bar and is getting all excited. LOL
@TOWinkworthIpswich You have only limited control over what your opponent, or even yourself, will do next. Don't tell me Luck has nothing to do with it. This isn't a fucking computer game.
@TOWinkworthIpswich I like your post about trickery in a fight. You have obviously listened to some of Lee's teachings. He was right, but do you think that other fighters did not know that? You think that's something new to Lee? LOL you yourself quote Ali. He was of the same era. Joe Louis' first loss came because he fell for his opponents illusions. This is all very simple stuff. You are floating on the surface of a very complex game. Pacman uses trickery just like any competent pro fighter.
the camera was off although bruce Lee speed was not fake the man would easily sit u or anyone you kno down on your ass. The punches are to fast 1 punch u see would actually be like 3 punches bruce Lee would throw at you plus like I said you would already be asleep so don't say this is fake cause the footage is as real as it is going to get 😬😬
@TOWinkworthIpswich Bruce Lee would be overwhelmed by the quantity of punches coming at him, with devastating power. If necessary, feints, he uses alot of feints. I dont think Lee woiuld be able to execute any kicks, because of the danger in losing balance. In all honesty, im talking about a contest of striking. Im sure anyone with decent grappling ability could defeat Pacman on the ground. But striking? Pacman would beat Lee all year round, he is a phenomenon. He is proven, he's not just a tale
@TOWinkworthIpswich Great teachers always tell their students that the subject is easy because it instills confidence within them. But Im offering the other side of the coin. If you dont want to fail realise that there is always more to learn. I commend you for trying to learn though, but not on your initial pride that you showed. Otherwise, you seem like a lad who does want to learn.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Yes I am definitely a Pac fan. I am also a fan of Roy Jones, a Ray Leonard, Tyson, Ali, Robinson, Mayweather, Marquez, Valero, Bhop, Haglar, Duran, Foreman, eubanks, n hamed, Haye, tszyu, Maidana./.. etc Im a fedor fan, a gsp fan, fan of andy silva, machida, inoki, and all the talented and special fighters out there. Im a REALIST. I don't overhype unproven and untested fighters, and concoct imaginary and farfetched fights with real fighters, and have them winning lol
@TOWinkworthIpswich None of bruce lees punches were meant for knocking out. And for sanity's sake what on gods earth are you talking about???? A combo is pointless because one punch is all it takes to knock someone out??? LOOL what if you dont land that punch?? What if the opponent blocks, what if he dodges, what if you only clip him. Comboing helps you keep on the offensive, and usually keeps the opponent on the defensive, depending on how astute they are. You really need to learn these things
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY LOL you're making some reeeeally useful comments aren't ya? Give me a break. Who's gonna have more confidence, in a fight? A man who has beaten the best of his weight, some of the best fighters on the planet, or a guy who has beaten a bunch of nobodies? Forget that, how many ufc fighters of the same weight class do you think would want to stand toe to toe with Pacman? NOT ONE. Forget Pacman, if even one persons stands with James Toney, I will eat my words.... btw, UFC > Lee
In a test of punching skill Bruce would get HOSPITALISED, by Pacquiao, let alone Mike Tyson!!! If he was able to use his full arsenal, granted, bruce lee would be very dangerous to any unprofessional fighter, but i am 100% sure he would have got his butt kicked by ANY high-ranking mixed martial artist in the world today. Georges St Pierre would absolutely DESTROY Bruce Lee in his prime. This is because he is at the peak of fighting ability, mental stength and confidence in ability.
@TOWinkworthIpswich I said I would split your jaw if you ever attacked me. Which would never happen, but it seemed from your post that you were hinting to a threat. Apologies if you didn't, but I state the facts. At 6'3 you would be slightly taller than me, if that helps you feel good about yourself LOL. but it would not deter me from showing you completely where you're going wrong with you're sparring. (I said I would PROBABLY tower over you btw). All hypothetical, cos you would never meet.
@TOWinkworthIpswich damn, you are so naiive!!! OBVIOUSLY movement is key to defense, but there are so many factors to a good defense that you obviously have not had the pleasure of using. A lb for lb great like Pacman DOES move when he throws combos, again, here we have you postulating about things you have no knowledge on. Pacman is WELL-KNOWN to move while he attacks, from very unorthodox angles, and like ANY fighter, uses his punching arm/shoulder to cover his jaw for extra safety...
@TOWinkworthIpswich It would be luck for you to swing a punch and knocking a guy out. It would be luck for him not to block your punch, not to have a chin of granite, not to have countered your punch ewith a cross to your temple lol. Of course there are factors out of your control, and where there is lack of control, the is luck. That is THE definition of luck.
@TOWinkworthIpswich I call you ignorant because you claim to know so much. If you were willing to admit that you have much to learn, and that you MAY be wrong about things you clearly have no experience of then you would be have my respect Bruce Lee dissolved the barriers set by martial arts of the times. His way of fighting was whatever was necessary to win. It is so true, and he was a unique and forward martial arts thinker, but dont distort facts and reality and make him a god LOL.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY What do you think you have proved by showing Pac got beaten up *once*? Lol, Do you think that somehow proves he is not that great? Need I have to remind you that Lee admittedly got beaten up when he was 13 years old? I am 100% sure he got beaten again, but obviously the Lee legacy wouldn't want anyone to think he was anything less than perfect. Which he most definitely was, and the proof is for all to see. His sparring/training videos and even films (look closely).
@TOWinkworthIpswich. Dude, Im damn well glad you removed your previous post because that shows *absolutely clearly* and without a shadow of a doubt that you are not familiar with the art of fighting. A real fight does NOT happen like in the movies, where one guy attacks while another defends like a psychic lol. Sparring allows a fighter to think less in a fight, and allows the more experienced fighter to make decisions MUCH faster than a non-sparring fighter. How can u even ask such a question?
@TOWinkworthIpswich At least you're more realistic when you say Bruce Lee will beat anyone POUND for POUND. Weight/muscle is the most devastating advantage even at high skill levels. But still, saying that Bruce can beat the Pacman is clear delusion, especially if we're talking about a fist fight. Are you serious??? Pacmans punches are faster and MUCH more powerful than Lee's snapping JKD punch, much more accurate and with a strategy behind it. Lee would only win if he kicked him, but unlikely
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY punch a wall of electricity and pull away before it electrocuted him? Are you serious? Do you believe any legend without verification? LOL where did you read this? Did you consider the source? Regardless, I've seen enough footage of lee in action, and I admit theres not much faster a man can punch. But he isn't anything completely rare for someone his size. Pacquiao is just as fast I guarantee it. It is NOT difficult to backfist quickly, as Lee usually did to show his speed
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY ok, maybe thats true, but he wasn't even close to mastering it. Bruce was an actor, not a professional fighter. If you think hitting a punch bag, and a wooden wing tsun dummy in your spare time when you're not setting up ur dojo, writing ur book, or directing/acting in a movie... makes a person ready to fight someone who sparrs every day with top opposition then your are deluded. You didn't say that, but if you think it, you are deluded.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Of course his ground "sucked ass", and his stand up was excellent in terms of execution of strikes (although not perfect, even Lee was still learning), but was not on the level of mma fighters today. And mma fighters today aren't anywhere near the level of Pacman when it comes to punching. You want proof? I can provide
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Im not ashamed of being a Pac fan, he is one of the best at what he does. He is a very, very special athlete. But even he, isn't unbeatable. I guarantee that if the Pacman, PBF fight goes ahead, Pacman will LOSE. Mayweather is just too good at boxing in the ring, he is an ultimate athlete, and just way to good at making the rules of boxing and its limitations work for him. However, take the gloves off? I have Pac winning everytime. He is a real fighter, turned pugilist.
Look, everyone's attacks of my findings doesn't change the hard facts surronding Bruce Lee. Should I further upset his supporters by letting them know he was accused of having an illicit affair with a young male student? No, I'll keep that to myself. Should I mention Bruce Lee often admitted to close friends he enjoyed wearing women's panties? No, I'd rather protect his memory than give those details out because I'm sensitive to all your needs for a hero, however misguided you may be.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY LOL bruce's reaction speed was good, but im not sure what on earth you're talking about him and a sniper, as if there has been some sort of experiment to prove this LOL. Take your head out of the clouds dude, Bruce was ahead of his time, he wasn't a bloody demi-god LOL. Where do u get these things from dude? You are very right when you say Lee trained for a real fight situation, and that it would be conjecture to say who would win. But im speaking likelihood here, pac wins.
@TOWinkworthIpswich, I very rarely make comments on topics like these, and even more rarely do I get into an e-discussion with someone about it. Because I know I will probably be talking to a phoney, arm-chair "martial-artist" who's only exposure to fighting would be a director's cut release of Ong Bak... Dude you can pretend you know about fighting, in fact you may actually know a fair amount, but you clearly don't UNDERSTAND fighting. Don't try and cover up your clear ignorance with fantasies
@TOWinkworthIpswich oh come one dude! are you just messing with me??? Is this just a joke??? You think there is any wisdom in not sparring?? LOLThats like saying there is a secret in driving which involves NOT practising on-road before a driving test. LOL, seriously you can't rationalise everything in your head. Answers come from the outside world, you mind can only reflect on and interpret what you experience. If you haven't got the experience or exposure, crazy theories like this are expected.
@TOWinkworthIpswich How about you stop reading books about the art of fighting, and actually learn the science of fighting yourself. Go out there and spar, then you can truly say how illusions factor in a bout. Your reference points show a very simplistic understanding, and a lack of detail. I sincerely urge you to spar, before claiming you know something you dont. You may actually fool yourself one day, and get yourself in a fight you may not be able to finish.
@TOWinkworthIpswich Luck has a place in EVERY fight, no matter how much you 'reassure' me. LOL. Have you ever even had a fight?? I dont think anything less of a person who chooses a peaceful, pacifist existence, but someone who claims to know the arts, but would probable get tapped out by a hamster really ticks me off. Why do you keep spewing nonsense? Go and learn something you have a passion for. Take the hands-on approach, drop the keyboard and go and spar, itll be the best thing you did.
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Agreed R.I.P Bruce Lee
Born - November 27th, 1940
Died - July 20th, 1973
You will be missed for ever.
That is truly amazing. Goes to show people the only limts that we have sometimes is the ones set for ourselves and Bruce Lee surpassed the average human being limts.
I have nothing against Bruce, in fact Im a huge fan of his. I still think he is the greatest martial artist to ever grace the big screen, his unique style was mesmerizing, and his hunger for perfecting his fighting ability and his great understanding of fighting and the use of the body really shone through even on screen.
Listen everyone! I'm happy to share my research on Bruce Lee but you all have to quit using foul language and appreciate my hard work and dedication to bringing these facts to light. OK now IF you are all calmed down, Bruce Lee was, as many know, lactose intolerant, and as such, often felt a deep seeded anger towards the bovine. He was open about this and often practiced karate on cows. Asked about this he was quoted "The cow are not like water, they only respect fork and steak knife."
hang on a minute, in the real time bit, the guy next to him is standing but in the slow motion bit, he is crouching..?
Took me a while to notice some were in slow motion!
@TOWinkworthIpswich throwing hooks does make your punch shorter, but also note that it is VERY useful at certain times. Straight punches have their weaknesses too. In that you can punch AROUND them. You should see how many people Roy Jones counter-left hooked while they threw a straight punch LOL, it made them look extremely silly. And made him seem untouchable.
Not known my many that Bruce Lee admittedly learned to find as defense to get away from his uncle Darnel's advances as a child. His uncle would often try to get Bruce to sit on his lap and touch him inappropriately . Being that Bruce was sitting on his lap meant he was extremely close to his uncle and in order to strike him effectively he had to develop a technique to strike at close range without having the ability to "cock" his punches. Thus the 1 inch punch was developed.
@lildertygangsta the idea is not to stick to one or other styles, it is to be compiled as one, not a style of your own, but a style of one self- threw fighting style and philsopy, using what is useful to you.
I was going to stop sharing my wisdom on Bruce because of the hate comments but then I decided I would only being doing a dis-service to the masses. Unknown to those outside his circle, Bruce's favorite food was Captain Crunch cereal and his favorite beverage was grape Kool-Aid. He often kept several months supply in his home for fear of a shortage. It was speculated he may have had an excessive amount of sugar in his system when he assed contributing to his demise.....You be the judge
Can some send me lunk the slow motion version of this?
But that doesn't mean he was a unbeatable fighter! He himself admitted he was unable to fight grapplers, which is why he learnt judo. Bruce fathered mixed martial arts, he never mastered it.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY All likelihood is that if bruce throws any kicks, the Pacman will either take them on the legs/core/shoulders and close the gap. Lee would not want to lose his balance, and he definiitley would not be able to kick while Pacman barrages him with his thunderous punches.
Unless you've boxed for quite a while, you simply cannt appreciate how good pacquiao is. He is something really special, hes not just any boxer. Lee would not have the confidence to even take him on
there are videos of him in real time speed let me tell you. As soon as he finshed the one inch punch demo they switched into his speed punch routine. DUDE you can barely see the punch its like boom boom! done mega fast
I am sick and tired of deluded martial art movie addicts making the wildest and most far-fetched claims about bruce lee as if he was this untouchable, super-quick, mega-powerful fighting machine that could defeat any man on the face of the earth.
It honestly shows that they know absolutely nothing at all about actual fighting and how much skill, confidence and experience it takes to really dominate a worthy opponent in a real fight.
Bruce would get HOSPITALISED, maybe even killed by Mike Tyson
Fraction of Seconds 1 to 3 Punches Brucee lee
Everyone can have the fastest hands but who can hit a moving target destined to try to kill you especially if your enemy is bigger, faster, meaner?
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Its more likely that mike would hammer his head with his fist, while he tries to kick him. Nah, more realistically, he would probable just turn his hips to the side to avoid the groin kick. Its very easy for a man with his reaction speeds... after that, i could easily see him either crushing bruce's skull with a barrage of hooks, or he might just use his enormous power and athletism to just wrestle him to the floor and pound his face until it becomes a frisbee.
I'm amazed people are thinking this "bastiglione" is sincere or "retarded" or whatever. It's pretty clear he's trying to get a rise out of people - successfully. (Some of the shit he says is kinda funny too xD)
Listen, what I do isn’t funny, it's education and fortunate for everyone I don’t charge membership fees for my knowledge of "BruBru", that's what close friends called him. Anyway, the large following and support I have received further inspire my dedication to sharing facts on "Big Papa L"; this is often how relatives and fellow members of our secret Bruce Lee society reference him. I leave you today with this; Big Papa L did in fact only possess one testicle after a nunchuk demo gone awry.
@TOWinkworthIpswich Later on in life, Bruce realised the beauty in the science of boxing. It has been at a competitive level for over 100 years, and has developed so much, that it cannot be improved on much. When a boxer throws a punch with one hand, he immediately twists his body to wind up ready for a punch with the other hand. While the punching hand is extended (not hooks), it is blocking from
MOST attacks and acts as an obstacle. You CAN block and attack at the same time. Just not 100%
There's debate about Bruce Lee ever having formal martial arts training. It is understood he was actually gay from a young age and only put up a fighter persona to overshadow letting his love for men show.
Yeah... let's see his punching speed against a Japanese master.
@TOWinkworthIpswich And still hes one of the most successful fighters in the history of boxing. He messes with their minds IN the ring, not with showboating, (well, a little bit), but with an early display of his magnificent speed and power, which shocks almost all his opponents, and then he has been known to go against the ropes and take a beating (eg cotto fight), to make the opponent question himself. He feints, urges the opponent on, he even nods at the opponent as if it is a lesson.
@bastiglione So are you saying he's gay?
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Another example where Lee realised he wasn't good enough was after the Wong Jack Man fight that he *supposedly* won. (some say it was a draw). This was when he realised his wing tsun was only restricting him in fights. So, guess what, he wasn't that great, once. Surprise, surprise. People aren't born great, they work and develop to become great. And that's exactly what Pacman did. He is now a boxing great, and NOONE can deny that, because the evidence is there for all.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY The fact that Pacquiao got beat once proved nothing other than the fact that he wasn't that great a boxer once. Big deal. After training with Gene LeBell, Bruce realised he was MUCH more vulnerable than he realised. So he trained in grappling. I guarantee that if Gene and Lee ever fought Lee would have got submitted within seconds. Lee was NOT invulnerable. He had weaknesses, and was human.
@TOWinkworthIpswich Trust me, combos are NOT an instant fail, if you pick them right for the right occasion. LOL, you can;t just go ok, left, right hook, uppercut lol, you need to pick you shots, and prepare of the worst. Combos keep the opponent thinking, and you attacking
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY he did get ktfo, you're right. He got punched on the button and he didn't see it. But that was the pacman before he had become the fighter he is known as today. A furiously fast and powerful puncher, with technical ability also head and shoulders above the rest (bar mayweather).
What's the matter, nothing useful left to say?
@TOWinkworthIpswich I think you have been polite in this discussion, and even though my temper flared, you did not retaliate with insults.
Apologies for any of my insults, we can continue this tomorrow if you like. For now, I need to sleep, I have work 2moro!
Referring to your remaining comments 1, Tyson used his height to his advantage. He ducked low, and used his massive legs to deliver deadly blows. And boy, was he fassst. 2, you can also throw a hook while moving 3, lol only at right time
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Btw Pacquiao is apparently trained in muay thai, and has been known to throw a few head kicks to bags in training.
He used muay thai as conditioning for the dela hoya fight.
But that's beside the point. Even with just his boxing skills, i think he would beat bruce lee down.
Yeah, the mass is compensated in the speed.
WTF???? that is slow motion and looks fast as hell. Not a single camera flash could catch Bruce with his arm extended!!!
Yeah for science!!!
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY You are absolutely right about that. In fact, the more two people fight, (and no-one totally dominates the other) i would say, the more equal the chances get of who wins; each becomes used to the others' way of fighting, their openings, weaknesses..
When I say who would win im speaking of probability. To me, it is more probable that Pacquiao would beat Lee, both in their primes. Pacman is so damn fast and powerful its not funny... this is undeniable. Lee's credentials are.
@electrobussterr you cant do it on u tube, not any bodey
his speed was genetic?
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Pacquaio would obliterate him in a fist fight, and gsp would murder him in both stand up and his ground game. Not only are they both freakishly strong for their weights/frames, but theyre both also EXTREMELY quick, and accurate. More importantly, they would be faster than bruce, because they would have to think less about what theyre opponent is doing. Meaning more speed.
Practise makes perfect, and sparring is the closest you can get to perfecting your fighting ability.
@bastiglione
if he did and if he was who gives a shit it doesn't take away from him being a great fighter and probably a great person...
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Realistically, Ive seen enough fights to know what Lee would have been capable of. His kicks were really not as powerful as they are made to look, but they were definitely fast. His snapping punches would be able to stun an untrained fighter, but i guarantee that if he ever had to fight with a heavier opponent, they would be thrown out of his arsenal.
Most importantly is confidence. Lee would not have the mindset to defeat any of the three i have mentioned. He was unproven.
@TOWinkworthIpswich You are looking at things so simply. Royjones and naseem's way isnt the only way to mess with heads LOL. There are many ways you could throw of an opponent, if you're good enough.
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@Woolfrey show me video of a Japanese master who is faster?
@TOWinkworthIpswich He would be overwhelmed, there's no doubt. Go and watch Lee sparring, then compare it to the possibility that his opponent is the typhoon that is Manny Pacquiao. Have you even seen him fight? Talking about him throwing hooks lol, as if he's some sort of mindless slugger lol
@TOWinkworthIpswich LOL strategy is decided DURING a fight. It can be split second, but if you have enough experience. thats the keyword: EXPERIENCE, you will be able to make quick judgements as to the (possible) weaknesses or strengths of your opponent. Im not a fantastic fighter, its not like Ive won anything that wasn't point-based to prove it. I dont pretend to be. But here I am debating with a 19 year old whos probably just got his first chin-up bar and is getting all excited. LOL
@TOWinkworthIpswich You have only limited control over what your opponent, or even yourself, will do next. Don't tell me Luck has nothing to do with it. This isn't a fucking computer game.
@TOWinkworthIpswich I like your post about trickery in a fight. You have obviously listened to some of Lee's teachings. He was right, but do you think that other fighters did not know that? You think that's something new to Lee? LOL you yourself quote Ali. He was of the same era. Joe Louis' first loss came because he fell for his opponents illusions. This is all very simple stuff. You are floating on the surface of a very complex game. Pacman uses trickery just like any competent pro fighter.
@ERNEST321f of course, but miyagi isnt human.
the camera was off although bruce Lee speed was not fake the man would easily sit u or anyone you kno down on your ass. The punches are to fast 1 punch u see would actually be like 3 punches bruce Lee would throw at you plus like I said you would already be asleep so don't say this is fake cause the footage is as real as it is going to get 😬😬
@TOWinkworthIpswich Bruce Lee would be overwhelmed by the quantity of punches coming at him, with devastating power. If necessary, feints, he uses alot of feints. I dont think Lee woiuld be able to execute any kicks, because of the danger in losing balance. In all honesty, im talking about a contest of striking. Im sure anyone with decent grappling ability could defeat Pacman on the ground.
But striking? Pacman would beat Lee all year round, he is a phenomenon. He is proven, he's not just a tale
@TOWinkworthIpswich Great teachers always tell their students that the subject is easy because it instills confidence within them.
But Im offering the other side of the coin. If you dont want to fail realise that there is always more to learn. I commend you for trying to learn though, but not on your initial pride that you showed.
Otherwise, you seem like a lad who does want to learn.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Yes I am definitely a Pac fan. I am also a fan of Roy Jones, a Ray Leonard, Tyson, Ali, Robinson, Mayweather, Marquez, Valero, Bhop, Haglar, Duran, Foreman, eubanks, n hamed, Haye, tszyu, Maidana./.. etc
Im a fedor fan, a gsp fan, fan of andy silva, machida, inoki, and all the talented and special fighters out there.
Im a REALIST. I don't overhype unproven and untested fighters, and concoct imaginary and farfetched fights with real fighters, and have them winning lol
Lolz successful troll is successful
@TOWinkworthIpswich None of bruce lees punches were meant for knocking out. And for sanity's sake what on gods earth are you talking about????
A combo is pointless because one punch is all it takes to knock someone out??? LOOL what if you dont land that punch?? What if the opponent blocks, what if he dodges, what if you only clip him. Comboing helps you keep on the offensive, and usually keeps the opponent on the defensive, depending on how astute they are.
You really need to learn these things
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY LOL you're making some reeeeally useful comments aren't ya? Give me a break. Who's gonna have more confidence, in a fight? A man who has beaten the best of his weight, some of the best fighters on the planet, or a guy who has beaten a bunch of nobodies?
Forget that, how many ufc fighters of the same weight class do you think would want to stand toe to toe with Pacman? NOT ONE. Forget Pacman, if even one persons stands with James Toney, I will eat my words.... btw, UFC > Lee
In a test of punching skill Bruce would get HOSPITALISED, by Pacquiao, let alone Mike Tyson!!!
If he was able to use his full arsenal, granted, bruce lee would be very dangerous to any unprofessional fighter, but i am 100% sure he would have got his butt kicked by ANY high-ranking mixed martial artist in the world today.
Georges St Pierre would absolutely DESTROY Bruce Lee in his prime. This is because he is at the peak of fighting ability, mental stength and confidence in ability.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY In a general brawl.
@TOWinkworthIpswich I said I would split your jaw if you ever attacked me. Which would never happen, but it seemed from your post that you were hinting to a threat. Apologies if you didn't, but I state the facts. At 6'3 you would be slightly taller than me, if that helps you feel good about yourself LOL. but it would not deter me from showing you completely where you're going wrong with you're sparring. (I said I would PROBABLY tower over you btw). All hypothetical, cos you would never meet.
@TOWinkworthIpswich damn, you are so naiive!!! OBVIOUSLY movement is key to defense, but there are so many factors to a good defense that you obviously have not had the pleasure of using. A lb for lb great like Pacman DOES move when he throws combos, again, here we have you postulating about things you have no knowledge on. Pacman is WELL-KNOWN to move while he attacks, from very unorthodox angles, and like ANY fighter, uses his punching arm/shoulder to cover his jaw for extra safety...
@BreatheCreativity what? lol
@Woolfrey show me a japanese master thats faster?
@TOWinkworthIpswich It would be luck for you to swing a punch and knocking a guy out. It would be luck for him not to block your punch, not to have a chin of granite, not to have countered your punch ewith a cross to your temple lol.
Of course there are factors out of your control, and where there is lack of control, the is luck. That is THE definition of luck.
as if is this real?
@TOWinkworthIpswich I call you ignorant because you claim to know so much. If you were willing to admit that you have much to learn, and that you MAY be wrong about things you clearly have no experience of then you would be have my respect
Bruce Lee dissolved the barriers set by martial arts of the times. His way of fighting was whatever was necessary to win. It is so true, and he was a unique and forward martial arts thinker, but dont distort facts and reality and make him a god LOL.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY What do you think you have proved by showing Pac got beaten up *once*? Lol, Do you think that somehow proves he is not that great?
Need I have to remind you that Lee admittedly got beaten up when he was 13 years old? I am 100% sure he got beaten again, but obviously the Lee legacy wouldn't want anyone to think he was anything less than perfect.
Which he most definitely was, and the proof is for all to see. His sparring/training videos and even films (look closely).
@TOWinkworthIpswich. Dude, Im damn well glad you removed your previous post because that shows *absolutely clearly* and without a shadow of a doubt that you are not familiar with the art of fighting. A real fight does NOT happen like in the movies, where one guy attacks while another defends like a psychic lol.
Sparring allows a fighter to think less in a fight, and allows the more experienced fighter to make decisions MUCH faster than a non-sparring fighter. How can u even ask such a question?
ok JKD is not a fighting style it is a philsopy
@TOWinkworthIpswich At least you're more realistic when you say Bruce Lee will beat anyone POUND for POUND. Weight/muscle is the most devastating advantage even at high skill levels. But still, saying that Bruce can beat the Pacman is clear delusion, especially if we're talking about a fist fight. Are you serious??? Pacmans punches are faster and MUCH more powerful than Lee's snapping JKD punch, much more accurate and with a strategy behind it. Lee would only win if he kicked him, but unlikely
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY punch a wall of electricity and pull away before it electrocuted him? Are you serious? Do you believe any legend without verification? LOL where did you read this? Did you consider the source?
Regardless, I've seen enough footage of lee in action, and I admit theres not much faster a man can punch. But he isn't anything completely rare for someone his size. Pacquiao is just as fast I guarantee it. It is NOT difficult to backfist quickly, as Lee usually did to show his speed
@bastiglione omg lol
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY ok, maybe thats true, but he wasn't even close to mastering it. Bruce was an actor, not a professional fighter. If you think hitting a punch bag, and a wooden wing tsun dummy in your spare time when you're not setting up ur dojo, writing ur book, or directing/acting in a movie... makes a person ready to fight someone who sparrs every day with top opposition then your are deluded.
You didn't say that, but if you think it, you are deluded.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Of course his ground "sucked ass", and his stand up was excellent in terms of execution of strikes (although not perfect, even Lee was still learning), but was not on the level of mma fighters today. And mma fighters today aren't anywhere near the level of Pacman when it comes to punching. You want proof? I can provide
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY Im not ashamed of being a Pac fan, he is one of the best at what he does. He is a very, very special athlete. But even he, isn't unbeatable. I guarantee that if the Pacman, PBF fight goes ahead, Pacman will LOSE. Mayweather is just too good at boxing in the ring, he is an ultimate athlete, and just way to good at making the rules of boxing and its limitations work for him.
However, take the gloves off? I have Pac winning everytime. He is a real fighter, turned pugilist.
Look, everyone's attacks of my findings doesn't change the hard facts surronding Bruce Lee. Should I further upset his supporters by letting them know he was accused of having an illicit affair with a young male student? No, I'll keep that to myself. Should I mention Bruce Lee often admitted to close friends he enjoyed wearing women's panties? No, I'd rather protect his memory than give those details out because I'm sensitive to all your needs for a hero, however misguided you may be.
@THACREAMOFSUMYUNGGUY LOL bruce's reaction speed was good, but im not sure what on earth you're talking about him and a sniper, as if there has been some sort of experiment to prove this LOL. Take your head out of the clouds dude, Bruce was ahead of his time, he wasn't a bloody demi-god LOL. Where do u get these things from dude? You are very right when you say Lee trained for a real fight situation, and that it would be conjecture to say who would win. But im speaking likelihood here, pac wins.
@TOWinkworthIpswich, I very rarely make comments on topics like these, and even more rarely do I get into an e-discussion with someone about it. Because I know I will probably be talking to a phoney, arm-chair "martial-artist" who's only exposure to fighting would be a director's cut release of Ong Bak... Dude you can pretend you know about fighting, in fact you may actually know a fair amount, but you clearly don't UNDERSTAND fighting. Don't try and cover up your clear ignorance with fantasies
@bastiglione No. Just No.
@TOWinkworthIpswich oh come one dude! are you just messing with me??? Is this just a joke??? You think there is any wisdom in not sparring?? LOLThats like saying there is a secret in driving which involves NOT practising on-road before a driving test. LOL, seriously you can't rationalise everything in your head. Answers come from the outside world, you mind can only reflect on and interpret what you experience. If you haven't got the experience or exposure, crazy theories like this are expected.
Bruce lee is always too fast
@TOWinkworthIpswich How about you stop reading books about the art of fighting, and actually learn the science of fighting yourself. Go out there and spar, then you can truly say how illusions factor in a bout.
Your reference points show a very simplistic understanding, and a lack of detail. I sincerely urge you to spar, before claiming you know something you dont.
You may actually fool yourself one day, and get yourself in a fight you may not be able to finish.
This is so fake when he finishes the first punch look at his hand position and then in slow mo look different so fake
Tyson would have beaten Bruce lee.
@TOWinkworthIpswich Luck has a place in EVERY fight, no matter how much you 'reassure' me. LOL. Have you ever even had a fight?? I dont think anything less of a person who chooses a peaceful, pacifist existence, but someone who claims to know the arts, but would probable get tapped out by a hamster really ticks me off.
Why do you keep spewing nonsense? Go and learn something you have a passion for. Take the hands-on approach, drop the keyboard and go and spar, itll be the best thing you did.
this is fucking ridicules and Michael j white said he can beat bruce Lee hahaha he thought 😂😂😂
Tyson would beat Bruce lee.