BMW M235i: Who needs an M2? - XCAR
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- Опубликовано: 6 мар 2014
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The BMW M235i is a rare thing. It's the kind of car that just feels... right. It makes you feel special, and it makes me wonder whether BMW needs release an M2 at all.
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This car has one, twin scroll turbo. Not two.
Dan the man thank for pointing this out, I'm tired to hearing the N55 being called twin turbo.
Not a problem. Not everyone understands what twin scroll turbo charging means. And to anyone who doesn't its simply an ingenious means of turbo charging where the end result is the elimination of turbo lag, or close to it. By using two exhaust ports to spool the turbo instead of one, the turbine spins faster and easier.
+Dan the man did you get your yet?
+Kwezzy Nope still waiting. its just finished production at Leipzig plant yesterday and they're preparing to ship the car. The anticipation is a bitch ha ha :)
Hope you enjoy it man.
a small coupe that offers rear wheel drive, manual, 50/50 weight and I-6cyl engine. intended for people who actually like driving, unlike those rebranded passat's.
@Zombie Head elitism doesn't sell, unfortunately for you.
This is how the 1 series hatch should look in the front! Very very nice! And of course they should make a proper M version!
I have a new favourite car and its the new 'ultimate driving machine.' Twin turbo straight 6, rwd, and proper manual gearbox....everyone else please take notes.
Correction* twin scroll turbo.
647killa xcar said it wrong too....@1:30 definitely twin scroll single turbo
The front end of that thing looks amazing. I especially like what they've done with the headlights. Might even be the best looking headlights on any BMW at the moment. The whole thing looks pretty great. I like how it looks much more like a miniature 4 series instead of just a 1 series with a longer boot. I'm sure the proper M2 will be fantastic.
I agree. I own an E92 which I love, but if I wanted to upgrade I think the 2 looks much nicer than the 4 series. especially the front.
I'm just disappointed with the back end. The front end is stunning, but the back end looks like it was penned within the last two days of handing in the final design. I can't really explain it, but the proportions look off and I especially hate the tail lights. Also, the lower valence in black plastic simply looks cheap.
He should've joined Rebecca Jackson and Mat Watson to take the reins of Top Gear UK. He's definitely one of the best car reviewers I've watched.
+XCARFilms You and Chris Harris
+William K Now behold how Chirs Evans ruin the reboot. Even aided by Chris Harris and legendary Sabine Schmitz, an idiot is an idiot.
BMW is back to what it does best.Great review.
THIS DOES NOT HAVE 2 TURBOS.
My thoughts exactly. I drove it for a few minutes, came back and signed the papers. It's such a fun car.
Im a couple months away from mine -.- cant stop watching videos
1:16 "the 1 series has a face only a mother could love" hahaahahaha my thought exactly!!
Can't wait to put in my order later this year.
Awesome car. Love it, I think it channels the E46 M3 spirit.
1:29 Its not twin turbo. The M235i has the N55 motor which uses a single, twin-scroll turbo.
The m2 also uses the n55 engine
That is twin turbo.
But in the m235i it is twin scroll single turbo
Drove one of these on Saturday...was a complete blast. A lot like BMW's of the past.
Driving my 123d for 6 years now very satisfactory...... Seeing this>>>>Want one desperately
Gerto Heupink FWD 123d!
Your right about that buddy. Good luck and I hope you find a sweet BMW!
picked up my car last month. feeling so far so good. though it's not an "M", while looking at the performance and price, i love it.
Totally agree, bought one of these about a month ago
Great review. I do love the looks of the front end as well as the side profile, but the back end is not that nice imo. Overall, seems like a great little sports car.
Interesting new car. I liked 1 series coupe and I like this, too.
nice review
I really like your reviews, on this one you only missed a thing by saying it has two turbos, remember this one has the N55 engine twin scroll single turbo engine, the 1M had the N54 with the twin turbos. I agree in most part that this is a perfect balance and I have yet to drive it.
Beautifully done video.
Excellent review.
you know this is for the first time i like this Guy review! great job i really mean it not because BMW.
Great video guys!
Good review, thanks!
Keep up the good work
where was this filmed? beautiful landscape and for some reason looks familiar to me
Your talking or commentary rhyme so nice. You are awesome.....
@1:30 'two turbos' I think you meant twin scroll turbo which is a single turbo.
Im picking my one up on sat...... Cant wait :0)
Any chance for a review of the xDrive version of the M235i in a near future?
Been saving for a new car for a while and im between the M235i and the 435i with M sport package. Anyone have an argument for one over the other?
Guys, vid is great, aspecially direction, and the presenter. Provide more engine note (from interior and exterior) and Your work will be a real masterpiece.
Correction, in case no one said it before, it has a n55 engine which is a "single" twin scroll turbo. so is only one turbo :)
After buying a 2015 M235i, I paid to have the Dinan Stage 1 Tune kit installed. It already had the M Performance Exhaust option (which does not improve performance but sounds fabulous.)
NOW: Peak Horsepower 364 @ 5500 RPM
Peak Torque 430 @ 3000 RPM
IMHO, the US$2000 Stage 1 Tune kit provides the best bang for the buck if you are on a tight budget.
A classic setup for a good drivers car.. been done over and over again
yeaaaaah for 6-speed manual. way to go!
Does anyone know why the gas pedal is offset to the left?
wait is this a twin turbo? or the "twinpower" twin scroll single turbo?
this ll be like the 90s m3, light, fast, fun...
This is a brilliant 👏 review
Soon as I get a better job I'm having that .
As soon as i get a job i'm having that.
Ding Ding No.
Bought one the other day :)
Thank you for the video, it was instrumental in opening my eyes to the M235i product line. Even though it only has one twin-turbo, after taking it for a test drive I was impressed. The handling and ample room influenced my decision to order a BMW over the Jaguar F-type and Audi TT I was considering. At just under $58k, my car was ordered with the optional M exhaust, technology package, drivers assistance package, M performance side sill kit and 438M orbit grey wheels. Although I don't care for the rim colors, I have made arrangements to get these triple chrome plated. It should set off the Melborn Red Metallic paint and black convertible roof. Being from the Shreveport, LA area, I found an outstanding deal in this custom order with BMW of Dallas. Ryan Chong worked out a no hassle deal that was outstanding. Thank you XCAR, Ryan and BMW of Dallas.
Good info, how did it compare to the ftype to drive?
MassiveGlove The BMW is much more responsive and the acceleration is superior. Although, I had to add the M Exhaust to my BMW to get that cracking sound like the F-type. I would recommend taking both for a ride and see what you think. Additionally, if you need to take more than one passenger and a brief case, you will need the room that the M235i offers.
+Dennis Bowser, Jr. Congratulations! It's an awesome car! :D And naturally much better than a FWD Audi :p
+Dennis Bowser, Jr. have you driven a m135i I currently own one similar spec to yours and am looking for either an m235i or full fat m2 next not sure if I'm sold on the 235i when you look at the m2 next to it.
How is the 235i to drive?
I got the M235i F23 convertible and love the way it handles. The M2 has a little more horsepower, but with a tuner chip for around $1k you will have an M235i with superior acceleration and similar handling on a budget. I would suggest you take both for a drive and decide for yourself which one fits your needs best. Best of luck!
Dennis
Are we going to get 3 box 4 door version? I really like the boot...
Name of the song at the end of the video?
Hey XCAR-team! First i have to tell you that i appreciate your awesome work. But in this video there's wrong information! The engine is a N55 3.0 Twinscroll Turbo. Only one turbo :)
At 1:30 he says it's a twin turbo 3 liter, but doesn't this car have the same N55 as the 335 and 435 which is single turbo?
What song is at the very end of the vid??? Love it!!! Gotta have it!!
1:25 Have BMW brought back the proper twin turbo I6 or is it still the twin scroll single, as he said twin turbo. N54 > N55
alright to everyone who wants to own a BMW nowadays:
if you want the best M5(as E39) get an M4.
M3=M2
big sport sadan M5 F10 is a 7 series pretty much! this is how BMW is doing it so just go one number down and you will keep loving BMW.
100% agree
How the heck could an M4 substitute for an M5? You're missing 2 doors. You would go down to an M3 saloon.
does this car rev match for down shifts?
I agree about the M2 being a bit redundant in this context. I am going to order an M4 Gran Coupé after the summer but this would be my #2 choice by all means.
PS: Nice review but you could add some warrior shots making the thing oversteer a little, this isn't a Toyota Avensis...
They should never get rid of the manual transmission. I don't give a crap about how fast the new transmissions shift. When you shift those gears yourself, you're so much more involved with you car.
WeirdoWithABeirdo84 Amen.
beautiful car :)
It is a two way turbo, not twin turbo, the twin turbo engine is the n54 for 2008-2010 bmw 135i and bmw 1M.
bad ass car and also a bad ass superdry jacket u have there... i wear it all the time
3 liter inline 6 turbo is under-powered, no? Maybe it has a flatter torque but shouldn't the power output be somewhere easily north of 350 hp?
Yes! I WANNA GET ON IT!!!
beautiful back end, beautiful silhouette, beautiful flow... and then there's the headlights and the front spoiler... and it all goes wrong :/ it's a very pretty car if you never look at it from the front...
I was about to say "Hey, XCAR, I love you, but don't get sloppy with your data... this is not a twin turbo engine (though is still magnificent).", but I see a lot of people complained already about that.
I would rather get this than the GT-R. It's RWD, rides softly at comfort mode.
The M235i and XI we're especially brilliant all purpose
Will we be getting the M performance packs in the UK at all? I saw a video of an american guy showing off an M235i car with carbon fibre exhaust tail pipes, active exhaust system, forged wheels, and the M steering wheel with the rev counter on. Some of them look like a deal maker to me but when I went to build one of these on the BMW website there wasn't any of those options or packs to put on.
oh and they had lower front and rear spoilers and side skirts. It looked the mutts nuts haha! Don't like the back end on this doesn't have enough muscle for me... that could be totally misconstrued haha
Patiently waits for M2...
I CAN'T WAIT TO BUY THIS CAR!!!!!!
I haven't driven a 235m my point is why badge a car an M when it's clearly not I feel like it's pristine to have an M badge car just like the mercs have an amg badge not every car can be labeled one as mpg goes lol people who drive real M cars could give to shhh about mpg and my lil old e46 is so much more fun to drive then anything with a twin scroll turbo attached to it now I love revving it 2 red line and I'll never have to say dame turbo lag and as far as aftermarket goes I agree their is so much out their especially dinan they are the leaders in bmw aftermarket parts but I'm not trying to track the car either so I'll stick to what I have
We need an M2 to reinforce and deliver extreme competitive track cars that covered by warranty and engineered to perfection. If this car is great as you say it is then the M2 will be astonishing! We NEED truly competitive racing components from the factory instead of wandering into the land of aftermarket...
Cant wait.
Someone in my neighbourhood owns the X-drive variant in red
it looks amazing
They never sold the X drive version in the UK, that's cheating anyway. I've had a manual proper RWD one for 2 years.
THIS IS NOW AVAILABLE IN XDRIVE!
I drove this vehicle today at my local dealer. I saw it on my local dealers website last nite and I thought WOW this is available in xdrive and with electronic dampening? I got on BMW's website and decked out an xdrive with $10k options and it still cane in over 20k cheaper than an RS5 I had planned on buying. I decided to drive it for the experience; I expected to like it not. I drove it and I kinda liked it. Then I drove an X5 50i v8 turbo; I can afford either, I liked it. I then thought that it was a wash as far as how I enjoyed them "each in a different way". I drove the M235i Xdrive again and I fell in love with the damn car. After many test drives I can't seem to trade in my Audi S5 due to my auto needs. Recent cars that don't hold a candle imo M4,M3,Audi S6, all driven in rain. Where I live it rains and snows and rear wheel drive cars are scary in winter. I want performance in all conditions I WANT IT ALL. I also like and crave sophistication and precision all of which I observed in the M235i Xdrive.
BMW hit a home run with the Xdrive M235i!
Chris Gamba I reside in Indiana where we deal with rain and snow for half of the year. I want to drive performance vehicles year round so I am biased. Nonetheless you are mistaken in your assumption that the added weight of xdrive or awd somehow offsets any advantages they achieve in performance. I cut my teeth on RWD and I understand that too much horsepower on 2 wheels REGARDLESS of the intelligent differentials available causes accidents and very scary moments. It is also very difficult to get all of the available power down in powerful RWD cars on acceleration. Most of the current vehicles with way too much horsepower and 2WD have the ecu's limiting the horsepower as traction is gained. In an AWD high performance vehicle all of the power can be used resulting in superior 0-60 times. In the rain the AWD is still capable of rapid controlled acceleration, do that in a 2WD performance car... wait no keep it in the garage while the real performance cars are on the road. imo
it doesn't have 2 turbos it has twin scroll turbo. it is the N55B30 engine which is also on 535i . Only S55 on new m3 and m4 have 2 turbos. So much for a good review..
single turbo* not twin turbo.
i think the front end is better than 3/4 series. great car!
Thw BMW did not quite nailed it as you did mate! no doubt about it..keep up the good work superstar!
Who are the 8 people who don't like this video?! Stunning car presented in a great video.
so you actually lowered the intro volume, good!
Excellent work as usual guys. Nice car but starting to go off BMS's recently. Brilliant cars but they're starting to look boring and generic to me.
Well now that the 2016 M2 has debuted, you can definitely see why the M2 is necessary over the M235i
Umm... struggling to see that- which is why BMW still have loads of order slots left I guess
finally a review that isnt 1 year late
"need to be an expert to pull off"
M cars are the easiest to drive out of any comparable cars.
those cars are idiot proof(well not exactly), where ass the regular class cars have the power (and also can be easily tuned), but not the control arms and many other of the suspension and drivetrain parts, not to forget the differential which makes a HUGE difference.
I quite like it, and I don't really go for BMW that much. If I ever get one it might just be a 235i.
All I can say about this car is, Dear Santa
NO, it does not have "two turbos". It has a single turbo with two scrolls. Twin scroll turbo chargers split the exhaust into two channels, separating the incoming exhaust pulses. This maximizes the efficiency of the turbocharger,.
COUUUUUUPAAAAY!
..I need an M2.
Lots of different opinions here...point being this M235i is after all a BMW....I went from a 320i to the M235i...I test drove a 135i Special Addition..inline 6 efi...this M235i in my opinion drives much nicer...and for the price and fuel mileage...I'm not complaining...as I said it is a BMW ....
***** twin power doesn't mean twin turbo...@1:30 its actually a twin-scroll single turbo setup.... www.bmw.ca/ca/en/newvehicles/2series/coupe/2013/showroom/driving_dynamics/index.html
I have a 2013 135i Msport PKG. Goes back next year to BMW to be likely replaced by M235I Xdrive CNV. I really like my 135i Mpkg. 0-60 in 4.9. 316hp, DSG 7 spd. Best handling BMW , aside from 1M coupe, and aside from M pure BMWs, nest accelerating. Small, tight, grippy, responsive. Excellent car overall. When 1 series came out I looked at them as BMW clown cars. Small 3 series. But they stand on their own as heirs to my all time favorite BMW 1970's 2002.
Great car, however if I went for this I couldn't leave it stock, throw on some lightweight wheels, Michelin PSSs, and probably an upgraded FMIC and HFC DP.
Correction: uses a twin scroll turbo...not the same as twin turbo. It's really only one turbine unit but with two exhaust gas inlets.
Instant classic
Ordering a M235i in this colour reviewed, wanted an M2 but looks like a lts production run and all sold out in the UK with no date when they will have more I guess cos the M3/4 are £55K, M2 £45K, M235I 35K all within a whisker of each other so understand why the M2 is very limited, M235I looks enough for most me included so hence having one of these and trading in my 370Z roadster..
with wider body stance this one will look really bad ass!!
He says two turbos. Isn't this the n55 single turbo with twin scroll?
jamesey271975 It is.
The M2 is coming, so BMW really needs to release an M2.
and thank you for not drifting it..nice review
I wonder, will they ever revive the M Roadster and the M Coupe?
Yes, some people want the sleeper look but for the price? Some people also want the looks. The M Roadster and the M Breadvan provided that.
i must be the only person in the world that thinks that the 1 series looks really good... btw great car even though i'd much prefer an older 1m coupe