the fact 0.6 of this is artistry, with a heavily deducted dismount and 0.1 on her leaps and excluding artistry it would get a 8.2E still this is why she is the beam queen. timeless beamer
@@Mhochul Incorrect. Back in the day, they counted 10 skills. Now, all gymnasts count 8 skills. Adjusting to 8 skills, 8.2E in 2008 would have been 8.4-8.5E. Simone got 8.5E before artistry deduction in 2023 beam final.
Me too. I actually watch beam finals to fall asleep to every night bc of the noise it makes. Very relaxing. I would imagine only a gymnast or gymnastics lover could love the noise.
I’m so proud of you for taking the leg separation deduction on her layout combo 😭 everyone for years has said it’s perfect and I’ve always been shocked
Yes, but acro skills (E or higher) are generally more risky, and many gymnasts pause for those huge acro skills. Shawn is very dynamic and has a great flow.
Well they actually are. The more skills you do the harder you get elevation, which means you may get insufficient height and/or low landing deductions. But yeah less prone to rhythm and slow connection deductions. And lots of people get form deductions on acro skills like flexed feet and leg separations, etc
emily, just came to say i love your content and really appreciate you sharing your insight as a fig brevet judge. it's invaluable. i'm sorry to see what happened on twitter and hope you feel comfortable returning one day. but until then, i hope you'll continue making videos on youtube
I am happy to see this channel posting again ❤ One sugestion : I would like to see more videos about routines from 2023 world championship. Thank you! Keep on posting! 🤗
2024 Code: BBE + 0.1 CV + 0.1 SB E F CCC + 0.1 CV + 0.1 SB C C C (switch leap, switch side, and L turn would be her 3 dance elements) G Acro: E E F C G = 2.6 Dance: C C C = 0.9 CV/SB/DB: 0.6 CR: 2.0 *D score: 6.1* However Coach Li and Coach Chow, with peak Shawn, could get her up to 6.3-6.6 or a couple tenths lower with the double pike dismount and a higher E score.
Wow, so looking at the 2023 World Championship event scores, that would put her between 6th and 7th place today. I know very little about gymnastics. Is that right? If so, are gymnasts today executing that much better today?
the reason for the low score is mainly that obviously this routine was not constructed for today's code especially artistry. plus, in 2008 they needed more skills (10 counting instead of 8) so more room for deductions. i think standards of execution are definitely much higher today but gymnasts like shawn would probably have been able to adapt to the code if they were competing today
Can you explain the artistry deductions a little bit? I only saw them at the end of the video. Also, I know with each new code of points they are trying to really differentiate everyone but I think that the laymen would look at a 7.6 execution for that routine and be like wtf?? Execution is so harsh these days. :(
I have a question, can a skill be downgraded AND receive execution deductions? What causes a skill to get downgraded? Like a switch ring jump with the back foot only reaching shoulder height. If this jump is downgraded to a switch leap, will that impact the execution score?
Excellent analysis! I would like very much to watch a video with a perfect 10 beam routine of Nadia Comaneci acording to current code of points. I think it would get around 9, not counting artistry deductions. It’s not possible to make this analysis with her uneven bars routine, as it was so different in the 70s. But beam would be a great video.
PLEASE COULD YOU MAKE A COMPARISON VIDEO ACCORDING TO COP 2022-2024 OF THE ALL ARROUND ROUTINES OF NASTIA, GABBY, SIMON AND SUNISA TO SEE WHAT POSITION EACH ONE IS LEFT
Great video! Would you by any chance analyze Shang Chunsong’s floor routine from the 2016 Olympics (AA Final) everyone says it’s very underscored and it might be interesting to look at. Great content!
Not really. She does a dozen moves that attract deductions, such as her incomplete twists, crossed legs, lack of height on all her punch front elements, and her low landing on double saltos. Her spins also have lots of deductions too with form and precision. Those are all existing deductions in 13-16 code of points
question: has strictness and difficulty levels changed a lot over this new cop? people used to score things like 15s 16s and 17s, but now the average seems to be in the 14s to 15s. sorry, new to gymnastics and have no idea whats going on
Many elements have gotten downgraded over the years, especially on vault (I think we’ve lost about a point of difficulty per vault since 2012 or so), and elements on other apparatuses have also had lowered difficulty values as they get too popular.
The only problem I have with this is that the deductions were then what they were. You can't really say it's worse execution or take off because it means she would probably have a whole different routine. Don't tell me Shawn would have happily taken 6 tenths in artistry deductions without changing things.
But why not educate people with routines that were actually done under the current code? This appears like "Look how badly she would score today" or "Look how laxly they were judged back then". The comment at the beginning doesn’t really prevent that imho. It’s not only about the artistry deductions she would have avoided by changing her routine. If the execution is judged differently, athletes would work on it differently in training. I'm sure you’ve got the best intentions, but I think it is unfair and misleading to judge someone with a code they didn’t even know and couldn’t follow.
Clearly, these judges were never in gymnastics. I mean a deduction for a flexed foot? Try landing a skilled while your foot is pointed. I think you would break something or worse. She sas and always be one of my favorite gymnasts. SO MUCH POWER IN HER SKILLS!
On top of those I'd take 0.1 (maybe 0.3) on her front pike on tucking too early, 0.1 on her back pike on insufficient pike, and 0.2 on her L turn - precision and body position 0.1 each. And I think her dismount low chest is a 0.3
It is just AMAZING how nit picky the scoring still is considering today’s gymnastics has become so much more acrobatic and not artistic based. Scoring needs to be revamped or another sport category all together needs to be made to acknowledge these changes.
Ridiculousness at its best!! Some of those moves cannot be done without having the legs separated, try them and see flexed foot really? The code of points now is looking for more dance than physical tumbling and difficult moves. I did not like the thin as a rail female doing those rocking motions and showing the rib cage not a good thing to see. You can use the entire body without doing that! NOBODY is perfect on any apparatus there will always be deductions but some of them are not justified!!
I'm TIRED of this kind of videos. Everyone knows how the rules and regulations of artistic gymnastics have evolved!!!! There's NO REASON WHATSOEVER to pin point what previous GREAT GYMNAST would have scored under the present system. Such comparison is STUPID, UNFAIR AND UTTERLY DISRESPECTING of previous champions.
It doesn't disrespect the gymnast. Many gymnasts would've changed their routines under the new code. But the video is about how the recent judging apply to all routines, including those in the past. It is helpful because it's easier to know which routine doesn't adapt to the code.
I didn’t take it that way either but I can’t blame someone who does. The "result" is basically "Look, she’d score way worse nowadays". And that can be seen as unfair. I don’t really see the point of a video like that, btw. Of course she’ll score worse since her routine was designed for another CoP. Anything else would be pure coincidence. I found it interesting to see what gets deducted exactly, that was helpful. But I don’t get why an old routine was used for that.
@@mariusa.5863 It's an opportunity to see how the COP has evolved over time. 7.6 is not the worst E score if she changes up some of the artistry. Also, she will be doing less skills since the 2006-2008 COP requires them to do 10 skills but now most people do 7 skills and count like a B skill so with adjustments and better work on the landing, she can score a 8.2 or above and is competitive with the current routines e.g. Simone, Shilese, Zhou Yaqin
question: has strictness and difficulty levels changed a lot over this new cop? people used to score things like 15s 16s and 17s, but now the average seems to be in the 14s to 15s. sorry, new to gymnastics and have no idea whats going on
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the fact 0.6 of this is artistry, with a heavily deducted dismount and 0.1 on her leaps and excluding artistry it would get a 8.2E still this is why she is the beam queen. timeless beamer
Zero slow connection deduction. Many strong acrobatic skills, but keep moving without pause. That's encouraged in the recent code.
8.2 with no artistry deductions is not impressive lmao
@@Mhochulthis is a crazy take
@@Mhochul Incorrect. Back in the day, they counted 10 skills. Now, all gymnasts count 8 skills.
Adjusting to 8 skills, 8.2E in 2008 would have been 8.4-8.5E. Simone got 8.5E before artistry deduction in 2023 beam final.
Having only 1.2 off before the dismount is wild
Her layout is so good, and it's so true that she has zero deduction. One advantage of her routine is that she doesn't have any connection deductions.
Wonderful quality content. I've always loved the echo of the beam sounds in this broadcast haha
Honestly if someone could isolate that stuff and loop it, I'd love an ambient gymnastics noise video.
Me too. I actually watch beam finals to fall asleep to every night bc of the noise it makes. Very relaxing. I would imagine only a gymnast or gymnastics lover could love the noise.
I never knew "insufficient tuck" was a deduction. I've seen it dozens of times in the last ten years, but the announcers never mention it.
Announcers never mention 90% of the actual deductions judges would take. Specially the NBC ones, those are usually the worst ones.
Such a thorough analysis! Thank you for the high quality content 🥰
Thanks for watching!
I’m so proud of you for taking the leg separation deduction on her layout combo 😭 everyone for years has said it’s perfect and I’ve always been shocked
I love these videos so much, so interesting to see how the COP has evolved
In this era, routines like Shawn with most acro skills are almost none deduction prone unlike the Nastia like routines with dance elements
Yes, but acro skills (E or higher) are generally more risky, and many gymnasts pause for those huge acro skills. Shawn is very dynamic and has a great flow.
Well they actually are. The more skills you do the harder you get elevation, which means you may get insufficient height and/or low landing deductions. But yeah less prone to rhythm and slow connection deductions. And lots of people get form deductions on acro skills like flexed feet and leg separations, etc
emily, just came to say i love your content and really appreciate you sharing your insight as a fig brevet judge. it's invaluable. i'm sorry to see what happened on twitter and hope you feel comfortable returning one day. but until then, i hope you'll continue making videos on youtube
Same!
I am happy to see this channel posting again ❤
One sugestion : I would like to see more videos about routines from 2023 world championship. Thank you! Keep on posting! 🤗
Thank you so much I’m actually working on a bunch of content from 2023 worlds so stay tuned 😃
New video idea request please: can you re-score hezly and leanne’s trials (beam and bars) scores? I felt like the scoring there was a bit wonky.
Would you be able to analyze and show deductions for McKayla Maroney’s 2012 Olympic vault? To the untrained eye, it looks like THE perfect vault.
I think the pike jump at 2:01 doesn't reach horizontal so that's a deduction right? The Back Pike also seems to have leg sep/bent knees
the only technical specification for pike jumps in the code is that hips have to be
Thanks for taking the time to do this.. I was hoping to see the difference on D-score between codes, but I see now the title does say "E-score"...
2024 Code:
BBE + 0.1 CV + 0.1 SB
E
F
CCC + 0.1 CV + 0.1 SB
C
C
C (switch leap, switch side, and L turn would be her 3 dance elements)
G
Acro: E E F C G = 2.6
Dance: C C C = 0.9
CV/SB/DB: 0.6
CR: 2.0
*D score: 6.1*
However Coach Li and Coach Chow, with peak Shawn, could get her up to 6.3-6.6 or a couple tenths lower with the double pike dismount and a higher E score.
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That roll on the shoulders doesn't count for close to the beam choreo?
It counts but she only has one. She needs two choreos or one more low beam element (e.g. wolf turn).
Wow, so looking at the 2023 World Championship event scores, that would put her between 6th and 7th place today. I know very little about gymnastics. Is that right? If so, are gymnasts today executing that much better today?
the reason for the low score is mainly that obviously this routine was not constructed for today's code especially artistry. plus, in 2008 they needed more skills (10 counting instead of 8) so more room for deductions. i think standards of execution are definitely much higher today but gymnasts like shawn would probably have been able to adapt to the code if they were competing today
Can you explain the artistry deductions a little bit? I only saw them at the end of the video. Also, I know with each new code of points they are trying to really differentiate everyone but I think that the laymen would look at a 7.6 execution for that routine and be like wtf?? Execution is so harsh these days. :(
I have a question, can a skill be downgraded AND receive execution deductions? What causes a skill to get downgraded? Like a switch ring jump with the back foot only reaching shoulder height. If this jump is downgraded to a switch leap, will that impact the execution score?
Excellent analysis! I would like very much to watch a video with a perfect 10 beam routine of Nadia Comaneci acording to current code of points. I think it would get around 9, not counting artistry deductions.
It’s not possible to make this analysis with her uneven bars routine, as it was so different in the 70s. But beam would be a great video.
PLEASE COULD YOU MAKE A COMPARISON VIDEO ACCORDING TO COP 2022-2024 OF THE ALL ARROUND ROUTINES OF NASTIA, GABBY, SIMON AND SUNISA TO SEE WHAT POSITION EACH ONE IS LEFT
Great video! Would you by any chance analyze Shang Chunsong’s floor routine from the 2016 Olympics (AA Final) everyone says it’s very underscored and it might be interesting to look at. Great content!
Not really. She does a dozen moves that attract deductions, such as her incomplete twists, crossed legs, lack of height on all her punch front elements, and her low landing on double saltos. Her spins also have lots of deductions too with form and precision. Those are all existing deductions in 13-16 code of points
What would the D-score be?
Same doubt
6.1/5.9 i think
Can you do this but for Nadia’s perfect 10 routine
LET'S GOOOOOOOOO NEW VID
question: has strictness and difficulty levels changed a lot over this new cop? people used to score things like 15s 16s and 17s, but now the average seems to be in the 14s to 15s. sorry, new to gymnastics and have no idea whats going on
Many elements have gotten downgraded over the years, especially on vault (I think we’ve lost about a point of difficulty per vault since 2012 or so), and elements on other apparatuses have also had lowered difficulty values as they get too popular.
Can you please do Suni Lee's uneven bars in the 2024 Olympics All-Around Final? I'm trying to figure out how she has over a 1.5 deduction... 🙏
Why is the audio double
x0.6 artistry is taking count of the steps without choreo?
The only problem I have with this is that the deductions were then what they were. You can't really say it's worse execution or take off because it means she would probably have a whole different routine. Don't tell me Shawn would have happily taken 6 tenths in artistry deductions without changing things.
We all know that. The video is simply to educate others about the deductions in the current code.
But why not educate people with routines that were actually done under the current code? This appears like "Look how badly she would score today" or "Look how laxly they were judged back then". The comment at the beginning doesn’t really prevent that imho. It’s not only about the artistry deductions she would have avoided by changing her routine. If the execution is judged differently, athletes would work on it differently in training. I'm sure you’ve got the best intentions, but I think it is unfair and misleading to judge someone with a code they didn’t even know and couldn’t follow.
that punch front... is it tucked or piked? shouldn't this be deducted?
i would love to see this with her olympic routine it’s cleaner then this was
So what would she score averagely with today’s scorings? Would she be good enough to medal in 2024?
Clearly, these judges were never in gymnastics. I mean a deduction for a flexed foot? Try landing a skilled while your foot is pointed. I think you would break something or worse. She sas and always be one of my favorite gymnasts. SO MUCH POWER IN HER SKILLS!
On top of those I'd take 0.1 (maybe 0.3) on her front pike on tucking too early, 0.1 on her back pike on insufficient pike, and 0.2 on her L turn - precision and body position 0.1 each. And I think her dismount low chest is a 0.3
It is just AMAZING how nit picky the scoring still is considering today’s gymnastics has become so much more acrobatic and not artistic based. Scoring needs to be revamped or another sport category all together needs to be made to acknowledge these changes.
no way it’s a 7.4 omg
Ridiculousness at its best!! Some of those moves cannot be done without having the legs separated, try them and see flexed foot really? The code of points now is looking for more dance than physical tumbling and difficult moves. I did not like the thin as a rail female doing those rocking motions and showing the rib cage not a good thing to see. You can use the entire body without doing that! NOBODY is perfect on any apparatus there will always be deductions but some of them are not justified!!
I'm TIRED of this kind of videos.
Everyone knows how the rules and regulations of artistic gymnastics have evolved!!!!
There's NO REASON WHATSOEVER to pin point what previous GREAT GYMNAST would have scored under the present system.
Such comparison is STUPID, UNFAIR AND UTTERLY DISRESPECTING of previous champions.
Mans got a degree in yapping
It doesn't disrespect the gymnast. Many gymnasts would've changed their routines under the new code. But the video is about how the recent judging apply to all routines, including those in the past.
It is helpful because it's easier to know which routine doesn't adapt to the code.
This is so dramatic. No one is criticizing Shawn in this video. Youre the only one that took this as a jab at Shawn
I didn’t take it that way either but I can’t blame someone who does. The "result" is basically "Look, she’d score way worse nowadays". And that can be seen as unfair. I don’t really see the point of a video like that, btw. Of course she’ll score worse since her routine was designed for another CoP. Anything else would be pure coincidence. I found it interesting to see what gets deducted exactly, that was helpful. But I don’t get why an old routine was used for that.
@@mariusa.5863 It's an opportunity to see how the COP has evolved over time. 7.6 is not the worst E score if she changes up some of the artistry. Also, she will be doing less skills since the 2006-2008 COP requires them to do 10 skills but now most people do 7 skills and count like a B skill so with adjustments and better work on the landing, she can score a 8.2 or above and is competitive with the current routines e.g. Simone, Shilese, Zhou Yaqin
Very poor and subjective judging, i guess you really like her
Her judging is objective and excellent. There is no favoritism. You just don't know judging.
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question: has strictness and difficulty levels changed a lot over this new cop? people used to score things like 15s 16s and 17s, but now the average seems to be in the 14s to 15s. sorry, new to gymnastics and have no idea whats going on