We Prefer Zelda: Majora's Mask Over Ocarina of Time Because We're Right
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2022
- Ocarina of Time has heart, but Majora's Mask has a Majora's Mask
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Majora's Mask is the experimental hardware-pushing concept art game that we actually got! There are so many games in the Nintendo vault that are lost to time due to the fact that they were too ambitious or too weird to be made into a full game. To this day, the time mechanic and mask transformations still feel fully unique and original. In a terrible parallel universe, this game never came out.
That’s exactly how it felt as a kid when it was released. Always wanted more of the Ocarina style and Majora’s was so exciting to see preview picture of in Nintendo Power. Great memories.
worst zelda title to date.
the time limit kills it, since zelda games have always been bout exploring not be restricted by some stupid time mechanic
@@Yusei255 It would have been very easy to repeat the same formula and structure of Ocarina of Time and just repeat the same thing. I'm glad the developers had the go ahead and motivation and gumption to try something different and unique. Nothing changes without risk.
@@Yusei255 Time is the best part. The game would not be very good with out it! If you really want to explore, just slow down time and when times up, reset. You have all the time in the world to explore, lol
I’m really glad you’re still getting Kate along for discussions, even though she’s not the new Jon. She is a lot of fun in this format!
I notice how same engine, same style sequels are always a win. Donkey Kong Country 2, Majora's Mask, Banjo-Tooie, Mario Galaxy 2. These are all in my top 10 best games of all time.
I got majoras mask 3D and ocarina of time 3D for my birthday when they were released, I got them both at the same time so It must've been after they'd both came out in 2015. I didn't know which one to play first but I ended up playing majoras mask first, not sure why, I just did... I actually found the time feature really cool, and although near the end I had to resort to some guides because I got stuck, it was blast throughout. Then when I finished, I played ocarina of time. It was just at great but part of me felt it was more linear than majoras mask and I felt the story was just generic. Having played link between worlds prior. Obviously both games are equally good for their own reasons, ocarina of time is one of the most influential games ever made. But I still preferred majoras mask. I remember getting destroyed by the final boss and just taking a step back doing all the side quests and using the deity mask to destory the boss. It was so satisfying.
Cool so will you try the N64 version on Nintendo Switch online now? Would be interesting to see what you think about it since you played the remake first.
I've always preferred Majora's Mask compared to Ocarina, nothing wrong with either game but I feel the smaller setting makes the game feel more fleshed out and alive compared to the sometimes empty seeming OoT. My favourite entry is still Links Awakening though, I feel that game is just perfect imo
Honestly the worlds comparatively speaking are about the same size. Even though there are only a few NPC’s in Hyrule field, that space has secrets nicely spread out while not being bloated to the point of annoying like Korik seeds and shrines were in BOTW. Each Zone in OOT is unique enough so that nothing feels to similar to something else. We call it small and empty nowadays because we are spoiled by open world games that are just naturally larger than OOT.
One thing I will always appreciate about OOT is that more than any other Zelda game, it is about Link and all the characters have a particular perspective of him. I also think OOT goes underrated narratively, it quietly speaks to the player about growing up and what happens when nature itself is disrespected.
Smaller setting…? Uh…Majora’s Mask is literally bigger than Ocarina of Time. Like, by a long shot 😬
@@joshz2491 initialioo or i
@@pikaboom6539Not really. OoT's overworld is was bigger. What really sucks about it is traveling into it because of it's slower paste. Especially when your Young Link. And while you can get Epona for fast travel, even she doesn't go that fast and the world is still big & bland and emptier. There's no sense towards this world that feels special & unique.
39:00 not only does the music gets faster, it almost feels like the music is trying to hide the fact that the moon is crashing down (on the 3rd day, you can hear a terrifying ominous sound along the happy music, like the threat that the moon is coming down)
My perspective over the years has consistently been that Majora's Mask is the better game, but only because it's standing on the shoulders of Ocarina of Time. The parallel world aspect that remixes familiar characters and themes is a huge part of its charm and appeal. If you remove the pedestal that Ocarina provides, MM falls a bit. If the two were unrelated games, each standing alone, I would give the crown to Ocarina.
This is a great take on this debate. Many of Majora’s Mask’s twists and inversions are best appreciated when you’ve played Ocarina first. That’s actually one of the reasons I like Majoras Mask so much-it has both a reverent and irreverent attitude toward it’s predecessor. The genius of that gets lost if the game stands on its own.
The thing is, Ocarina of Time's gameplay and story are both amazing. On the other hand, Majora's Mask has an amazing story (because it's built on Ocarina's rock-solid foundation, like you said) but its gameplay is tedious, frustrating and boring. If there's one thing Majora could do to be as good as Ocarina, it's stopping time when you're in a dungeon. Timers are literally never fun and there's nothing time-sensitive in the dungeons anyway. If Majora's Mask ever gets another remake, I hope that's what they do.
@@davidotto1609 The timer gives the game a sense of dread. Removing the timer would undermine a huge aspect of the game. They already undermined the game with the 3DS remake, don't ask for second remake to ruin the game even further.
@@Paradox-xm9zq I'm only asking to remove the timer in the dungeons, since there's nothing there that requires it. A sense of dread is all well and good until you're forced to restart the dungeon three seconds before you kill the boss. It's a quality of life improvement, not a pointless change like nerfing Zora Link's speed or Deku Link's jump physics.
@@davidotto1609 Removing a sense of dread is more than a "quality of life improvement", it completely changes the pacing of the game. Even in dungeons, it creates that sense of dread where you really want to hurry up and finish the dungeon when you see that the moon is almost going to fall.
Interesting to hear your perspectives on the end of the story. Link basically shuffles off after saving Termina, uncelebrated and to no fanfare. He continues on his own personal journey to reunite with Navi, but it’s not explicitly clear that he succeeds in this. Knowing that the Hero’s Shade in Twilight Princess is the same Link from OoT/MM, does this mean that Link turned into a stalfos? According to the Kokori girl you can speak to in the Lost Woods in OoT during the trading quest, she says that anyone who gets lost in the woods will become stalfos. As is revealed in OoT, Link was actually a Hylian, so i guess that would apply to him also. Kind of sad to think that was his ultimate end.
I love majoras mask, but i still prefer ocarina i think. feels like a grand adventure and the temples and items are better.
What i will say though is, that credits sequence of majoras mask if you 100% it, seeing all the resolutions of all the npc's you've spent so much time with and learnt so much about, is a really special moment. There's nothing like it in the series, yes other zeldas have the roll call of characters, but with how much focus there is on the npc's in majoras mask it's just on another level.
When you think oot is better yes you all just like to push blocks around that's why you like oot
Oot is too empty while MM is much more full
OoT feels kinda bland, empty & really easy as an game. It was cool for the first time when it jumped into 3D gaming. But now, it's very stale.
I appreciate how incredibly experimental and focused Majora's Mask was compared to... Any game in the series. Aside from the Oracle games and maybe Triforce Heroes, no other game in the series has been so refreshingly different. Hyrule isn't the main setting, Ganon, Zelda, and the Master Sword are nowhere to be found (mostly)... It's Link exploring a new world having new experiences separate from the typical mess.
I first played this game two years ago when the game turned 20 years old. It was one of the longest, but most enthralling experiences I have ever had in a game. Every character, quest and theme just felt so powerful.
As someone who played MM only recently, it's a really interesting companion piece to OoT, with maybe the best side characters in any Zelda game, which are integral to both themes and plot. It also has one of the most interesting entities in the franchise, since Majora is never fully explained or even mentioned again.
Same with Termina - it's never really explained what exactly it is, whether it's a parallel dimension or a real place.
@@MylesB93- Reusing Ocarina's NPCs as new characters (to save time/money) also ironically adds to the mystic.
It’s hard to call OoT “safe” when it broke the 3D mould and brought the world of Hyrule to life for the first time in such a way. It feels safe now because it’s common place. In the same way that Mario 64 seems “safe” now compared to Bowser’s Fury. But that could be said for Super Mario World, which many sites have argued is the best game ever made. Majora was more artistic and experimental and that’s what makes it stand out more now. Where as Ocarina is (no pun intended) timeless.
Actually, you just prove that Majora's Mask is timeless while Mario 64, mario world and OOT are perfect products of their times.
@@charlestrudel8308 I guess that’s subjective. It hasn’t made Majora timeless, it’s certainly different and broke the mould, but it doesn’t make it timeless. Whereas Ocarina is always discussed all these years on.
@@ben-tendo I can tell you already two other games way too similar to OOT that are better. Darksider 1 and Twilight princess. hence why its not really timeless.
@@charlestrudel8308 I prefer OOT over Twilight Princess because the pacing is much better
@@dannysummers4591 ok, but that doesnt change the fact that its subjective and TP is pretty much OOT 2.
Too bad the Majora’s 3DS remake didn’t seem to have quite the same care as the Ocarina one. It broke several aspects of the game and despite some quality of life improvements, it’s not the best way to experience the game while I’d 100% argue that the OOT remake is.
actually, its not an absence of care, its bad decision making. Some changes were actual errors because they thought it was bad. MM remake is not a faithfull remake because they thought these change were for the better. MM is just even more of a micracle Accident.
I agree that they broke a lot of the game, but I think Charles hits closer to the mark as to why. I don't think the creators really understood why MM worked and made bad decisions from a place of not liking or believing in what they'd made.
how would you recommend playing it then? i’m almost done with OOT on 3ds & wow it’s so much cleaner than all the other versions, so should i play majoras mask on wii u or switch through their service?
None of them is the best way to experience one of the games. They are handheld games, I would always prefer the Gamecube versions of those games. Any day. Would even prefer the original N64 versions.
@@GutlessWall we dont know yet if NSO expension pack version is great. if you already pay for it thought, do play it, the N64 version that is on NSO is the best one.
You could introduce someone who is unfamiliar with games and they could probably understand and appreciate OoT. Majora's Mask, while a masterpiece with arguably more depth and artistry than OoT, has a rather inscrutable intro section that can stump even Zelda vets, and being stuck as Deku Link for the first few hours of the game can also be very frustrating. If I had an hour to show my friends and family one of the best Zelda games of all time, I wouldn't pick Majora's Mask for that reason. Oot at least gets you into the first dungeon within the first hour.
Can we have a series of Kate badly describing video games?
Dissapointed you barely mentioned the gameplay, one of my favorite aspects is how you can defeat the bosses however you want instead of just exploiting one weakness with whatever item you just found.
The dungeons are also quite challenging and gives you incentives to search them in depth to get magic abilities instead of just having rupees or skultulas.
OOT is more representative of the classic Zelda formula & holds a lot of story significance.
MM is mechanically superb & has the most memorable characters and dialogue.
I love them both for very different reasons.
I used to agree with this idea that MM was better and more shockingly dark for Zelda. Then I watched GoodBlood's incredible video essay on how OoT is the saddest Zelda story nobody noticed and now they're on par in different ways in my mind. OoT is such a masterclass in writing and game design that it's really hard to beat.
I'm sorry. But I failed on how sad of an story OoT is. I barely had any connection to the characters and world of Hyrule because there was no depths nor I had any connection to them. With the only exception of Zelda. But aside from dressing up as Sheik, she barely does anything. She only gives Link information and that's it.
I hate the idea that MM and OOT are better pieces of art "because they are sad".
It's one of the most toxic, despicable notions to come out of the art intelligentsia, but unfortunately that's an issue that goes well beyond the Zelda series or even video games. It's been the cancer of art as a whole since at least the 19th century.
I also like Majora Masks more because it had a more lasting impression on me when I was a child with the scary looking moon and mask transformation and the time mechanic really stayed with me after all these years.
By the year 2000, I still had not played a Zelda game and I know a bunch of my friends loved them, so I asked for "Zelda" on Nintendo 64 for Christmas. At the time, I had ZERO idea what Majora's Mask was and that's what I got (since it was the new game, apparently the guy at the store told my family this is the one I would want). I started playing and got frustrated pretty quickly and was like "this is what EVERYONE LOVES?!" I got so frustrated and after 3-4 months playing this game, I put it down. My little brother wanted me to beat the game so bad, he loved looking at the game and was too young at the time to beat this. I knew I needed help so I went to go buy the guide. It still took me until JULY of 2001 to beat it. It was so grueling for me and just put it away.
Afterward, I played Windwaker, and I really loved it, which made me go back and play some of the other Zelda games. I FELL IN LOVE with the series, but I always thought..... Majora's Mask was really different. And then I played it again, and just realized this is my favorite Zelda game because of how different it is. Yes the elements within the game can be frustrating, but the world, the story, the side quests, holy hell it's so amazing. I still think Ocarina of Time is the best game in the series and I really love that game, but Majora's Mask just holds a special place in my heart.
I was in college when majora came out. The people I knew who didn't have the expansion pak were trashing the game without even playing it. It was like they were rejecting it without playing it because of the peripheral. Everyone who could play it seemed to like it.
Majora's Mask is 1 of the few Zelda game I've barely played despite being one of my favourite series, mainly because when i first played it years ago the time limit ruined the experience for me making me think I needed to rush everything. I need to give it another go.
It's always looming. You will have to redo this if you don't get this done first and such and such. Yea it's the one thing that I both adore and hate about it. I wouldn't want them to change it but it is tense. Even if the limit is friendly "Once you know what to do" that is
Once you learn you can do the inverted song of time and actually slow time down, it makes it so much more manageable.
@@Evenmoresteven I was accounting for that being on. It gives more time and is friendly. But only if you know what to do. Unless you use a guide your first time through is likely to have a lot of wasted time due to that.
Great and that's why we'll never see that time limit thing again :)
@@HoudiniFontmeisterThere's an scarecrow that tells you about how to inverted and skip time. It's at you the Astral Observatory. Can't miss it.
I hated the time mechanics. Didnt like the the mask. Then again I didnt like the wolf bit in twilight.
Majora's mask allowed us to transform into various characters, each with different abilities that in it's own way, opened up different ways to play Zelda. The masks, their unique stories, in many ways is like Breath of the wild, where a misc distraction pays off with a reward that gives you unique abilities. The time loop allowed us to "redo" over and over and never fear that we'd miss something because we could just loop again. Yet the time crunch and the moon that grinned down on us was terrifying yet awesome. Majora's mask is my favorite for these reasons
I always wanted to play Majora's Mask, but never got the chance because I didn't get the expansion pak. Not sure how I feel about the mask transformations, but I still wanna try it out.
11:46 Strangely enough, Twilight Princess takes place in the timeline where half of the Hero of Time's heroic deeds never happened, yet the other half was enough to make him famous to future generations, most of whom never even noticed the Hero of Twilight was even there, and he only time traveled while inside a single dungeon.
The Legend of Zelda: Fancy Face
Just wanna say I really like when cate joins these conversations. Some of the ideals she has just blow my mind!
ive only ever messed around with the 3DS version for about 3 hours and the time mechanic gave me anxiety. i hate the feeling of missing out. but, i should def go back to it.
OG is even worse because there is no stopping mid cycle and taking a breather. You have to play the time you are there. Saves only happen at restart of the cycle. With that said the 3ds remake butchered a lot in the game...
@@HoudiniFontmeister can't you save at owl statues?
I never fully understood the time gimmick. Its felt like you never made progress in the game. I gave up. 😪
@@coreydill3532 You can for 1 time and it deletes after you load. So like Quick save. I forgot about that. It's not permanent but is a good point. Only specific ones though. If I remember correctly. And if you load a different save I think it corrupts the Owl save on the other file. Or it can at least.
@@coreydill3532 In fact that's why it only had 2 saves instead of 3 because it reserved the space for one of those quick saves.
Oooo baby I’m all for this discussion 👀
didn't watch the video yet, but I want to add that you're absolutely right, thanks
Same if only the 4 dungeons in botw were majoras level
What?
@@_sparrowhawk the 4 divine beast dungeons were trash
It's such a specific story, but I fondly remember NOT having the game when I was younger, but having a borderline bootleg guide of it (the kind made of newspaper paper, stapled) and I was OBSESSED with it. I read and reread it, especially when my mom was washing my hair (laying on the countertop, head in the sink, don't ask why lol) and I pretty much played through the game in my head with it. Fast forward a couple years and I got the Zelda collection disk with a GameCube for Christmas from my father, his last gift before he passed away a couple months later. That was the first time I played it then.
This game always had a special place in my heart. It was also a fantastic game with great gameplay mechanics that still hold up to this day ! I was ecstatic when they announced the remake !!
Best game ever for me, blows Post out of the water.
People tend to focus on the world-ending premise of the game as the best part, but what I really appreciate, and wish more games attempted even if they aren't as dark as this game, is the time loop mechanic combined with NPC schedules that makes it that much more to explore Clock Town and its citizens.
It's like Steins;Gate turned into an actual game.
When I first played the Collector's Edition that came with my Gamecube, I was curious about WHY Skull Kid was causing the Moon to fall, I was thinking "You realize that this will likely kill YOU too, right"? when the Skull Kid started Laughing as he caused the Moon to start falling Faster on the Final Night. Once I collected all 4 Giant's Remains and then Played the Oath to Order, I then realized "OH THAT explains it" when Majora's Mask started talking.
I've just started playing Majora's Mask and I was considering giving up because I don't really get it and it seems a bit frustrating to be constantly watching the clock and then basically resetting everything, but after watching this, I'm going to push through and take my time. Thanks guys :D
I think I would say OOT is the more accessible game out of anything. MM can be challenging/confusing when your not familiar with it. But I love the story/concept of MM. I suck when I play it but it’s a game I highly appreciate
Do I think Majora is.more polished than OOT from a technical and graphical perspective? Yes, I don't think anyone would deny that. But is it the better game between the two? No, I don't think so, the time mechanic is not bad, but does require too much specificity to appeal to the average player. Take away the sidequests and whats left for a main story is not particularly memorable. I know that over the years Majora isn't something that I've replayed nearly as much as OOT which in my eyes is a well oiled machine that still functions well 15-20 years later because every part of it has a genuine quality to it. Majora by contrast is like the flashy car you buy because you want to stand out but you really only take it out of the garage once in a while. You certainly have fun with it each time but it doesn't ride quite as smoothly as the other car that's older but has better made parts in it.
I disagree the main quest is amazing in my opinion and your point of taking a way the side quests is flawed because that is what game game is built around it would be like someone saying if you take the 3D out of Mario 64 it becomes a boring mess or something
@Josh White Exactly. Not only that, but the overworlds, dungeon & other layout of the level designs are far superior to Ocarina of Time IMO. It's story & characters are also more touching than anything Ocarina of Time has.
Going to be honest, the time limit really killed Majoras Mask for me, my favorite thing to do in games is immerse myself in the world, and I just couldn't really do that in Majoras with having to keep track of the schedules, all the planning, speeding through stuff and all of that baggage with the time limit mechanic (even if it had a better atmosphere).
i'd say give it another shot, with the half time song, and the skip to the next time of day songs, it's really not that bad.
If anything it made me more focused, as i set goals for myself of what i would focus on in each cycle and ignore everything else.
Plus the atmosphere it creates once you enter the final 6 hours and the music starts playing is really intense.
Agreed. Majora's Mask was more frustrating than fun. I really hated the save system as well, the fact that you had to keep rewinding time to accomplish certain objectives. And I played it the way it was intended, on the N64.
Besides, everyone agrees Skyward Sword is an objectively better game and nobody can disagree with that. (Gatekeeping lol, please don't do this Nintendolife)
That's a shame, for me the time-keeping and schedule learning is one of the many reasons I prefer Majora over Ocarina, not to say Ocarina is bad its certainly also a masterpiece in my opinion and definitely my second favorite Zelda.
Yes exactly I never was able to finish MM
I played both games as a kid, never really managed to finish them because they were in english (I speak spanish). And when I played them again as a teenager it was a fantastic experience, I could relive the endless hours I spent as a kid just wandering around Hyrule and Termina (the latter more than the first), not understanding a single thing but falling in love with the landscapes and characters, and the thing about Majora's Mask that makes it superior to me is the themes, the ambition that comes with the portrayal of such heartbreaking stories, is so much more engaging to an emotional level than OOT. Fantastic games I love with my life.
Majora's Mask fue el primer juego de la saga Zelda en traducirse al español. ¿De qué hablas?
I have a go at Ocarina now and again but I must have only completed it twice since its release. I never fully gelled with it and can’t remember much of it.
Majoras mask on the other hand, I have completed that more time than I can remember, and I could give almost every detail about it. It’s just such a perfect game.
I disagree. This was the only Zelda game I just couldn't get into. I felt too rushed due to the time mechanic.
Thank you
It’s interesting to me that, in a way, this is almost a consequence of being “the hero of time.” He uses time to solve the problem in Termina, but it is precisely because he uses time that he’s not remembered as the hero of termina. Just an interesting conceptual follow up to Ocarina of Time.
Young Link is a newcomer character in Super Smash Bros Melee along with Zelda/Sheik, Roy, Pichu, Peach, Mr. Game & Watch, Mewtwo, Marth, Ice Climbers, Ganondorf, Falco, Dr. Mario and Bowser.
Majora's Mask evolves into Majora's Incarnation and Majora's Incarnation evolves into Majora's Wrath.
I don't know who Kate is but I have a bit of a crush on her, she's nice, shes funny, she has a nice voice, and her laugh is magical.
For me it's not so much a question of Ocarina of Time vs Majora's Mask as it is 3DS vs N64. If the Switch ends up running Majora's Mask on an N64 emulator, then I'll stick with the 3DS version. I don't like having to delete my owl statue saves every time I load them, nor being incapable of saving during the first time loop. Not only does the 3DS fix that problem, it also increases the number of save points via feather statues, which are basically owl statues minus teleportation. Then there are other huge improvements, such as a more intuitive bombers notebook and a Song of Double Time that lets you skip to any hour instead of just 6 AM or PM, as well as smaller improvements such as a seventh empty bottle and the ability to equip fire and ice arrows at the same time so that you don't need to pause quite as frequently in the Great Bay Temple. Also, there are two fishing holes, complete with time-transcending coupons.
Sure the N64 lets Zora Link swim quickly without consuming magic energy, and it lets Link check into the Stock Pot Inn without being a Gorgon, but that's 2 points for the N64 version, but at least 7 points for the 3DS version. Besides, Nintendo probably made that change because those original mechanics seemed "too easy," and I can't blame them for that. More importantly, not all points are created equal, and the massive improvements to the saving mechanic and to the Song of Double Time are enough for me to say "shut up and take my money" to the 3Ds version (if I hadn't already done so).
There are also some relocated side quests and rearranged side quest rewards, but my opinion on the differences is mostly neutral.
For me OoT and MM are like cereal and milk. You need to enjoy both together.
I think my favourite creepy pasta/theory about MM must be this one:
- Link goes into the lost woods to find navi
- Because link doesn't have Sarias blessing he becomes lost
- it is canon that when a hylian gets lost in the lost woods they become a stalfos
- Termina is the decent into becoming a stalfos
- In Twilight Princess when being taught sword techniques you are greated by a Stalfos who is Link from MM
While that is a cool theory the thing that kind of deconfirms it imo is that it is heavily implied that the Hero of Time did grow up and have kids before he died
I might be in the minority but I'd have to give them a draw. The masks are alot of fun and side quests are amazing in majoras mask. Ocarina had better temples and bosses. I remember as a kid having to show my older family members how to beat the water temple. When they asked me about the great bay temple in majoras mask, my response was perfect timing lol. The great bay temple sucks Beyond belief. Majoras makes up for temples with side quest and of course stone temple. Ocarina had the greatness of the spirit temple and playing as an adult but majoras has masks and overall better character stories. I can't place one over another, I kind of think of them as one big game
I disagree. Aside from the Spirit Temple & Inside of Deku Tree, I found the dungeons in OoT and bosses to be the weakest in any 3D Zelda games. There not very unique & clever with the progression, layouts & puzzles. Some are piss easy to complete and others are absolutely tedious with it's gimmick & level designs. And the bosses are also piss easy. With the exception of Ganon, none of them puts up an decent challenge. It's simply just waiting and targeted there weakness.
Ocarina is amazing but Majora's themes and mechanics take it to the next level :)
how is ocarina a “damsel in distress game” have you forgot about sheik? 🧐
Yep, this. Maybe they got confused with Mario?
No. It does. U rescue Zelda after stupidly shows off her disguise as Shiek and even when Shiek is around, she's completely useless as all she does is give Link information and playing the songs to learn.
10:15 I legit zoned out for a few minutes, and suddenly they're just talking about food. Gotta love it.
I’m trying so hard to avoid Majoras Mask content because I never had the opportunity to play and I desperately want that “new game” feeling.
I'd suggest to play it as soon as you can. There are some events that you'd regret to have them spoiled and not discover and experience by yourself
Skull kid isnt making the moon crash "for a laugh" the mask is taking control of him and bringing out his deepest resentments. You can see the progression of his mind being taken over if you look at him each day through the telescope, on the first day he taunts link and by the third day his head just twitches theres no fun being had at that point.
The astral observatory theme is singlehandedly the best video game theme of all time
Ocarina was long considered the greatest game ever made, and I still believe it’s top 5 for sure.
It’s now hip and cool to say it wasn’t that great after all and that an experimental game with a tight deadline (MM) or the open world one with shrines is so much better.
Ocarina is still the best to me, and I didn’t like MM all that much. It’s become more of a cult classic, as it wasn’t that well received back when it was released. It was good, but not the era defining game like ocarina. I do think ocarina has been beaten many times by so many that it’s become boring and is no longer hip to heap praise on.
Ocarina was a genre defining game, monumental and awesome for its time. However, I think it has become harder to appreciate it as such over the years. It's a fantastic game no doubt and very enjoyable today, but compared to the hundreds of games it has influenced and even more modern Zelda games, I think it's easy to regard Ocarina as dated, and not as fresh as it once was.
Majora's Mask in the other hand, yes, it owes its DNA to Ocarina as every other 3D Zelda does, but it gives the formula its very own spin that also was revolutionary to time loop games and still to this day it feels just as new and shiny as the day it came out. There's not many games like Majora's Mask, not even in the Zelda series.
You will surely see the same thing happen in the future with BOTW. Old boomers like us will say that it was a revelation and that it was an instant classic, one of the best games ever made. And others will say that it wasn't that crazy compared to whatever games there are in the future.
Ocarina of Time is excellence/perfection in game design. Majora's Mask is excellence/perfection in art.
I prefer Ocarina for the most part. I like obtuse games, but I think Majora just has way too many “how was I supposed to ever figure this out?” kind of moments. If the Bomber’s Notebook was a little more helpful and the characters left some more breadcrumbs, I might be singing a different tune. That being said, I think Majora has better dungeons (with the exception of having to hunt down those damn fairies).
I actually think there's a lot more depth to Ocarina of Time than you've given credit to, but I know that wasn't the focus of this video. Again, Kate is a delight to have in a video. And my favorite LoZ game is still Twilight Princess.
Even though i much perfer ocarina of time i still respect your opinion whit you guys
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As a kid I came from Ocarina of Time and wanted more so I jumped into Majora's Mask. There was things I liked but I got fustrated too quickly and I was disapointed by the Dungeons and the lack of Dungeons. I only got as far as the Great Bay Initially before I gave up. I cam back to it older, maybe 15 or 16 and I enjoyd it more. Like I learned it isn't about the dungeons and is about the side quests. I took my time and I basically followed the characters and kinda just learned everyones stories. I found it facenating and I went onto beat it but I was still fustrated because I was using a cheap knock of Wii Classic Controller and it was really bad and made the game hard as hell. But in 2020 I played it again on the Wii U. Since I had beat it before I had a guide for where the Heart Peices were if I needed it but I didn't rely on it. I just ook my time and soaked it all in and had an incrediible time. Like I can't even describe how much I loved the game. It went from my least favourite 3D Zelda game to perhaps my favourite. Never thought that was possible.
Triforce heroes takes place in a kingdom called hytopia, which is pedantic, but it's the only mainline zelda game post-majora that takes place outside of hyrule.
25:00 Right, it’s not as if you get the Light Arrows EARLIER in MM than you do in OoT, nor is the Fierce Deity Mask very powerful at all.
As a die hard Ocarina of Time fans.. You and I are now enemies and must duel... by arm wrestling.
I kinda think of the 2 games as like a Joker situation. Ocarina of Time is your big action movie like Batman vs Superman and Majoras Mask is more of an in depth character development like Joker.
Guys, the humour at points is really hard to stomach. It’s a little bit too cringe. I like the channel but since johns departure I’m finding it difficult to finish the videos. I know I might get some hate for my criticism but I’m just voicing my opinion.
I love the title but Bore-carina was one too far I think 😆
I don't get why a lot of people say that Majora's Mask is better than Ocarina of Time I like it but Ocarina of Time obviously was way better it's sold more the soundtrack was perfect and it had way more popularity than Majora's Mask and it even turned out to be the game of the year in 1998 Majora's Mask is good but it's not nowhere as good as Ocarina was
For me, it's because Majora's Mask is superb to Ocarina of Time in many ways. While Ocarina of Time may be more impactful and doesn't have the 3 day cycle gimmick & other things, I found getting quite bored with the game. Mainly because I found Hyrule to be mostly too spacies & empty, most of the dungeons and progression layouts are so bland & boring, the game can be wonky at times with the combat & other control schemes and the story or characters isn't near as interesting as I could've been. It also doesn't help that it borrows alot of aspects from Link to the Past, but couldn't accomplish than what Link to the Past so great to begin with. Majora's Mask fixes all that issue, while also trying something different that works well and that's why I think it's better.
Both N64 Zelda are my all-time favourite games. They stand should-to-shoulder with just how brilliant they are. However, I do think that the one thing that Ocarina of Time has over Majora's Mask is its temple design. I'll take the Water Temple and the Spirit Temple over The Great Bay Temple and Stone Tower Temple any day.
I disagree I love those 2
While I finished Majora's Mask on the Zelda collection during my Gamecube days, I'll never understand why it is revered so high. Good for its time, sure, but Its one of the games I don't care to revisit. To each his own I guess.
A lot of people really love the narrative the side quests tell, some love how hard the game can get bc of the time limit. And the transformation masks were a concept that was unique to its time.
I love this game and I don't really know why, I think it kinda clicked with me because of the time when I played it and now I love it with my life
I have to admit I just can't get into MM, i tried as a kid on n64 multiple times amd hated it. I tried again with the 3ds remake and i still couldn't bring myself to play it more than a few hours.
Its one of few zelda games I just cannot play. It's just not in me.
I’ve been holding off this video since MM released on NSO and finally completed it today with all the masks. I had to use a guide for this game and I didn’t feel at all bad about either. To begin, I did stress over the 3 day cycle and learned to adapt to it. As for savings everyone. I guess as gamers we’re used to that and after listening to this discussion I totally get it. You don’t have to save everyone etc. it’s a fab Zelda game and now I need more Zelda
Frodo sold his house to the Sackville-Bagginses before he left, but Otho is killed and Lobelia imprisoned by Saruman and Wormtail, and Lobelia is so shaken that she gives the house back to Frodo because she can't bear to live there any more.
This is a spicy topic. I haven’t played Ocarina yet but Majora’s time mechanic has me so stressed out and I haven’t finished the game yet.
There is no objective correct choice between the 2. It's all about preference. Valid complaints to both and positives to both. I prefer OoT but the MM fans are very vocal. As they should be. It's a good game but stressful. But that stress is part of the games charm and time mechanic. It's what makes it MM. If it had no Limit or it were longer limits then it would not assist the dreary doom and gloom of the world.
Ocarina of Time walked so Majoras Mask could run
Ocarina of Time changed the landscape of video games, but it didn't change the landscape of Zelda games. If anything it is the standard to which all zelda games are held, retroactively and currently, imo.
Ocarina used the finest of ingredients with a classic recipe. Majoras Mask took those ingredients, set fire to the recipe book, and got a little freaky with it.
If they at least stopped time in the dungeons.
Just hated to find a dungeon in day 2 or 3 ...
I replay Ocarina ever year without fail. I've tried to replay Majoras many times but just get bored, completed it once thar will do
I have a theory about the three-way split timeline. It's obvious that the adult timeline (precursor to Wind Waker) created the child timeline (precursor to Twilight Princess) through the act of time travel, but the "hero is defeated" timeline (precursor to Link to the Past) sounds like a mere hypothetical, unless Majora's Mask created the third timeline.
Hyrule Hystoria does specify that all three splits happen immediately after Ocarina of Time (or during, if the hero is defeated), and that Majora's Mask is in the same timeline as Twilight Princess. But if you think about it, Majora's Mask takes place slightly earlier than half of Ocarina of Time, and seven years earlier than the other half. But Link remembers the whole thing, so it's effectively both before and after.
So how does it happen? We know that child Link tells Zelda everything he knows about Ganondorf's evil plan before he has a chance to execute said plan. We know this happens before Link goes to Termina, since she gave him the Ocarina of Time. But maybe Ganondorf's trial had to wait until after Link returned from Termina. When Ganondorf stands trial, Link is called to witness. If he's still alive to testify, then Ganondorf is banished to the Twilight Realm, and needs Zant's help to escape. But if Link died in Termina (as he did in all but the last time loop), then Ganondorf's charges are dropped, he walks free, then completely takes over Hyrule with nobody to stop him until the events of Link to the Past, several generations later.
I know, the word of a time traveler regarding crimes that haven't happened yet hardly counts as incriminating evidence, but there are other witnesses to crimes Ganondorf already committed to which Hyrule Castle is oblivious enough to let Ganondorf play double agent.
Why does the court still need Link? Because the other witnesses are all too busy to come to court unless a subpoena forces them to do so, and Link is the only person in the courtroom who knows who to call. The Great Deku Tree is dead, so he can't even be subpoenaed, but there are three other witnesses who can. Darunia is busy trying to save his people from starvation, knowing that Ganondorf caused it by sabotaging Dodongo's Cavern. King Zora is busy treating Lord Jabu-Jabu's Ganondorf-inflicted illness, and looking for his missing daughter Ruto, who turns out to be inside Lord Jabu-Jabu. Nabooru knows that Ganondorf is evil, and probably has enough evidence to prove it, but she got cocky and tried to defeat Ganondorf herself, only to get captured and brainwashed by Koume and Kotake.
3:58 To Princess Zelda's credit, she did manage to evade capture until the final dungeon, and she even practiced the Shiekah arts.
Funny that the game after Ganondorf was introduced his title as "King of Evil" was replaced by Majora's Mask.
There is actually a Groundhog Day videogame for PlayStation VR. It's a sequel to the film.
Tolkien nerd alert! Gollum was tortured (it is hinted that he was tortured by Sauron directly who was not just a flaming eye) in Barad Dur and was allowed to pass Cirith Ungol when he thought he escaped. Also Frodo did indeed sell bag end to the Sackville Bagginses in the books
Honestly the whole 3 day mechanic is actually very simple to manage and cope with once you learn the inverted song of time.
To any new people to the game, go learn the inverted song of time (it’s just the song of time backwards, you don’t even have to “learn it” in game to work)
This slows down time and gives you more than enough time to do what you need to do.
The game wants you to “unlock” a dungeon by learning the Ocarina song for a specific dungeon, then all you do is reset to day 1, slow down time with the inverted song of time, and instantly warp to the dungeon now you’ve unlocked it
It’s really isn’t very tough or taxing at all once you understand the game mechanics. And as brilliant and unique as the mechanic is - it really is no where near as hard or complex as people make it out to be.
MM is an incredible game as is Ocarina. For me Ocarina wins out just simply because MM feels very short with only 4 dungeons.
Great. What an awesome idea. Oh I know, why not just scrap the stupid time mechanic altogether, even better! :) Cheers.
I also prefer Majora's Mask over Ocarina of Time, There's something about it that I love more..
Link keeps things like a Rouge-Link... But it'd be nice if there was a narrative explanation for this to tie it together.
Still my favorite game of all time. The original N64 version is still the best experience I've ever had with a video game. I highly recommend anyone who wants to play to get the 3DS version and installing project restoration so you can play the game in the best way possible.
Same.
"because we're right" is a lame thing to put at the end. Every Zelda game is great and worthy of being someone's favorite, no reason to belittle each other's opinions
It’s clearly a joke
First time on the channel mate?
Majora's Mask is a Fantastic story with amazing themes and a ton of well crafted Side quests. But at the very same time it is so unfun to play at times. The sense of dread is why some of us find it tense to play through it. Also the controls are not always suited for the situations you are in.
I am happy we are getting the original again though because I think the complaints over the 3ds remake are perfectly valid. It's just too much for me to replay. As a kid I had no issue playing it to 100% completion though. Strange.
It's about time people acknowledged this simple truth.
I'm old so actually just finished another replay of Majora on the gold cart in my DK green N64 about a month ago... Majora's Mask is not just my favorite Zelda game, it's my favorite game overall. So much to do, and I refuse to save the day without getting the wedding in the ending (best side-quest ever, period).
Majora's Mask is such a masterpiece!
Who is more evil?
Majora possessed Skull Kid from Majora's Mask or Kefka from Final Fantasy 6.
The tangent at 6:00 about the mouth and tummy stuff had me in stitches
I'll admit, my first Zelda game was the Windwaker, and I went play and played through OOT and when I played Majora's Mask, I was so confused at the three day time frame. I have multiple copies of the game, I just haven't got the time to play through it 🤣🤣
One of my friends called Link "Phar Qumi".
Great Deku Tree: Help me Phar Qumi, I need your help. Enter inside my mouth Phar Qumi.
23:00 ‘bEcauSE tHe gAMe woUldn’T wORk!’-wow, 5head genius right here, please enlighten us more on Nintendo game-coding.
Ocarina of time is loads better, didn't like majoras mask as a kid and still don't like it as a adult, the time mechanic is stressful.
we hear this take from kids who played majora's mask like every month
Why wouldn’t we it’s amazing
Y’all crazy on this one