*The GTO Ranges App* has the entire preflop solve for live cash games with an active straddle (both BTN and UTG). Get it here: redchippoker.com/gto-ranges-app
I played tournaments online for years, then took a break. Now a casino has opened in my state and I've been playing poker again at 1/3 and the biggest thing I've learned is that I want to get away from an equilibrium strategy vs these guys. I was making money, but I've been doing much better playing completely exploitably... 33% if I want folds 75-133% for value with no balancing and it's printing. Some tables fold too much to 3bets, other tables I'll play 6 hours and not see a single pot get taken down pre-flop, so I just adjust accordingly to those
I think sometimes newer low-limit players can become victims of overanalysis. This is a classic case of that. You played it correctly but didn't take the pot. The real skill to learn is how to absorb coolers like this without getting frustrated or tilted.
SO this is an interesting one. The Half pot C-Bet is a bit much on the Flop I think I size down here or just Check. If the SB is as bad a player as you said he is probably going to call 80% of the time anyway, So I think pot control is better than the C-Bet. My concern would be the Ax hands that he hit the flop with and checked to you. A5o as an example. Following up to that, I think the Jam is a bit Aggressive on the turn, but the argument can be made for the Half Pot bet size if you still think you are ahead, which you should be with the equity of your Draw.. I am a bit less aggressive in these situations against a caller who never raises, I've bluffed off huge stacks just like this. The Pot control option of the Check followed by the Half Pot Bet on the Turn. THank you for sharing this hand.
Any back door flush draws is bet worthy IP. You get 1/4 of the deck to fire a double barrel. I agree with downsizing though if you are going to be called most of the time.
You played well. if not perfectly... in my opinion, in most cases... betting this flop is better then checking behind. There's are a lot of turn and river cards available that would be incredibly hard to call an "all-in/turn bet" looking at villains range and his perception of your hand(if he even thinks at that level lolz). It is also likely that villain did not hit this flop very good. This is just bad luck and I'm flabbergasted that villain called this flop in the first place it is terrible play...but yeah..we all know it is good these players exist.
I liked your plan, and was thinking that the only reasonable bet would be an all-in. Curious why the solver dislikes all-in here. Frustrating outcome, but he got the money in when he was ahead and he had a reasonable plan for each street. This is fairly standard low-stakes play IMO.
The only thing I would have done different is bet smaller on flop. We have the overpair advantage and the sb range is capped. Furthermore, betting small decreases the impact of their check/raises. I think in live low-stakes games, at this spr, it's a comfortable shove on turn. If called, we still have equity. Plus, we maximize fold equity as most people at lower stakes have a tendency to overfold hands that are ahead of ours in this situation (like 88 or 99). Learning GTO strategy is essential for aspiring poker players; copying what a solver does is not. We should use GTO to recognize and capitalize on our opponents mistakes and tendencies. I think this situation is a great example. Thanks for the video!
Why does the solver advocate for such small sizing if most of your equity comes from folds on a board that dry? Furthermore why would it NEVER advocate for jamming with a nut flush draw? Dosnt seem to factor in fold equity of opponent.
I used the icmizer A TON back in the day. For some reason it got broken, I couldn't use it anymore. It always said I had to update it, but I couldn't update it either. So I stopped using it. That was years ago.....
@@chanceneck8072 Well if I mistook your comment sorry... chill. Just not sure why are mentioning an ICM solver in a thread about a Cash game hand then.
Been more of the esoteric “feel” player than a math player for a long time. I’ll tell you this about live poker- 1. People don’t drive to the card room to fold. 2. People will call bets with absolutely no plan just to be stubborn. 3. Even players who seem like they understand what’s going on, occasionally will just short circuit. 4. Live players are muppets. Especially at 1/2. 5. He may not even be considering what you have or what your bet sizes or actions mean. So in your mind youre thinking “well based on my range and his, he should probably fold just about everything here, he’s repped nothing… In his mind it’s “screw this guy im not folding and I dont care. And if I pick up any kind of a draw I’m just going with it- to hell with it. He doesn’t always have it. Live poker is vastly different than click poker. A whole new world of psychology opens up. You’re also dealing with players who should be playing .5 /.10 but they’re at 1-2 because that’s the lowest stakes offered, so the swings are absolutely bananas. It’s a different world out there. That being said your play was fundamentally sound you just ran into a 1-2 muppet.
Hmm. 532, is obv a terrible flop for hero range. A nonstraddle SB typical range here tends to have lots of small pairs and broadways that are too squeamish to raise. But this is a straddle SB spot. Basically I never play the SB after a button straddle unless I have a *very* strong hand, and then I will raise-im guessing a rec player who decides to play this spot for a complete is gonna have lots of small pairs and small suited connectors. So I *never* want to c-bet this spot. Just see what develops on the turn. Either you pick up a big pair or a flush draw, or you check-fold. The key to this analysis is how you decide to node-lock the SB. There is no GTO limping or “completing” in this spot-I don’t think it’s ever “correct” to call the straddle here, so you have to have some sense of the SB’s actual range and be CORRECT on your read of the villain to have any shot at a meaningful solve… Hmm I don’t own a solver-maybe postflop-izer, if it is reasonably priced….
I think villain can have a very wide range based on splitsuits description of him. This will result in a lot of junk on this flop. He won't just have small pairs and small suited connectors but also a lot of Ax and Kx, suited and unsuited broadways, basically a lot of stuff that doesn't hit this flop. In fact I think splitsuit should have a huge range advantage on this flop and I like his play.
@@BigD751 mm OK. I think this is the sort of question that lends itself to population data if you can get ahold of it, and playing around with solvers if you own them trying different ranges for villain and seeing what pops out…
I think you forget that the solver likes to realize their equity by seeing the river and not gamble . You're gambling by shoving turn. No reason to lose a stack. That being said, I said to myself "all in" on the turn 🤷♂️
He is basically "indifferent" and can't lose anything long term in this spot... read my thoughts above in the thread, and let me know if you agree? His bet is a "semi-bluff" holding more than 36% equity (not including fold equity which adds to his over all equity) in a pot that he needs only 33% to be indifferent to a call. On top of that he wins to any fold, and beats any Ax his opponent got sticky with. Long Term he can never lose in this spot.
I don't think all-in is bad if you think that is what it will take to get villain to fold a small pair. You are still playing a draw, inducing a fold would be good for you. Given he called all-in on the turn your bet size didn't matter. I would use that info in exploitive plays vs this villain later. But in this hand... he hit one of his 6 outs. Don't be results oriented, you put your money in as a massive favorite. I have to say... The villain was overly optimistic to believe a Q high flush would be good here even if he hit it.
Ok I enjoy this analys however, you stated that you were playing live. These statistics of your opponent, such as his a O% on all ins. I am wondering if you have these memorized, and if not, are they just estimates. Do you really have all these stats in your head while you are playing live poker?
@@ThePokerBank When you talk you sound like a very intelligent and analytical player. I am going to try to start implementing statistics to my opponents too. Indeed it will be a huge challenge but it's definitely missing in my game. Thanks for the RUclips feed. I pretty much always like it.
Why would you continue to bluff like this with queen high? It makes no sense. Especially with the pressure applied on the turn. Maybe looking for that flush. But that's a lot of chasing for sub optimal cards.
I think you played this perfectly. One thing not mentioned, and correct me if I am wrong here, is that you are basically using the principal of "indifference" with your all-in bet on the Turn. You are making roughly a "Pot Sized" bet... if Villain Calls, you will need 1/3rd equity (33.333%). You have 9 outs for the nut flush, plus 3 outs for the straight with any "4", and you likely win with any Ace or King for 6 more outs. This gives you 18 outs on the river for over 36% equity. Also, since you beat any hand your opponent might have gotten sticky with like AJ+, in addition to the fact that he will fold some of the time to your all-in bet, I think this is WAY +EV. Most definitely not a spew. In the "Long Term" you can never lose money here.
Thinking that a check back on flop or small sizing makes the most sense in the 1/2 streets. You have backdoor equity and two overs that will almost certainly be best hand if/when they hit. Opponent misses flop so much here and the potential runouts seem to favor you. When you bet half pot you do still get good ace highs to call, but I'm not sure those types of hands call turn barrels too much more afterwards anyways. I'd rather try and delay my bets vs those hands on a medium value river bet. And if you're already behind you give yourself a free card on the turn to evaluate and go from there by checking. It just doesn't seem like the type of board we want to inflate the pot too large.
I have only one disagreement with the analysis, you said this opponent would fold 77s or something like that on the turn I don’t think so, he limped called 15BB then called flop, this tipe of C. Station wouldn’t fold a pair on the turn
first pause I check ( havent watched rest of video) I usually check my entire range heads up oop. oh you were in position then yeah I probably bet 25-30% pot
Being that 1/2 is a fishy game, I don't think the all in move is a wise choice. A 3/4 pot works just as good, and the bluff on the river might have gotten through. And if you think they would have called anyway just check it through and lose the minimum. This is a much better move at higher stakes.
Main thing I would have done differently is do not sit at 1/2 in orange city. They play anything and everything, you can't beat the rake and over all 1/2 just sucks 😂
Ad Qd vs. Qd 10d Runout: 5d 3h 2s Jd. You win 86.36 % Tie: 0%. Qd10d wins 13.64%. I mean... it's even better than pocket Aces vs. pocket Kings. Whether it's a spew more depends on your opponent's play style. It was just dumb luck on the river, which happens. Like Bart Hanson says, "You are not meant to win all of the time".
Your turn jam screams Ax flush draw, likely with a pair. The SB call was the "spew" that happened to get lucky here. I would've either checked or bet smaller on the turn, but might've faced a jam by the SB. Your call at that point - likely a call and an unlucky runout. 😢
Honestly, I would probably just check behind on the flop. We're most certainly just get called by better hands. Don't get married to ace, king suited. You're still JUST playing ace high in that spot ...
*The GTO Ranges App* has the entire preflop solve for live cash games with an active straddle (both BTN and UTG). Get it here: redchippoker.com/gto-ranges-app
I played tournaments online for years, then took a break. Now a casino has opened in my state and I've been playing poker again at 1/3 and the biggest thing I've learned is that I want to get away from an equilibrium strategy vs these guys. I was making money, but I've been doing much better playing completely exploitably... 33% if I want folds 75-133% for value with no balancing and it's printing. Some tables fold too much to 3bets, other tables I'll play 6 hours and not see a single pot get taken down pre-flop, so I just adjust accordingly to those
I think sometimes newer low-limit players can become victims of overanalysis. This is a classic case of that. You played it correctly but didn't take the pot. The real skill to learn is how to absorb coolers like this without getting frustrated or tilted.
Yes he's a very new player 😂
Splitsuit is getting better. Hopefully he continues playing poker. He’s doing a great job with his new endeavor.
Yeah, opponent was a fish. Go get their money later. 👍
SO this is an interesting one. The Half pot C-Bet is a bit much on the Flop I think I size down here or just Check. If the SB is as bad a player as you said he is probably going to call 80% of the time anyway, So I think pot control is better than the C-Bet. My concern would be the Ax hands that he hit the flop with and checked to you. A5o as an example. Following up to that, I think the Jam is a bit Aggressive on the turn, but the argument can be made for the Half Pot bet size if you still think you are ahead, which you should be with the equity of your Draw.. I am a bit less aggressive in these situations against a caller who never raises, I've bluffed off huge stacks just like this. The Pot control option of the Check followed by the Half Pot Bet on the Turn. THank you for sharing this hand.
Any back door flush draws is bet worthy IP. You get 1/4 of the deck to fire a double barrel. I agree with downsizing though if you are going to be called most of the time.
You played well. if not perfectly... in my opinion, in most cases... betting this flop is better then checking behind. There's are a lot of turn and river cards available that would be incredibly hard to call an "all-in/turn bet" looking at villains range and his perception of your hand(if he even thinks at that level lolz). It is also likely that villain did not hit this flop very good. This is just bad luck and I'm flabbergasted that villain called this flop in the first place it is terrible play...but yeah..we all know it is good these players exist.
James, it’s good to see that you are keeping your epic beard alive and well! 🤗
Until the wheels fall off lol
I liked your plan, and was thinking that the only reasonable bet would be an all-in. Curious why the solver dislikes all-in here. Frustrating outcome, but he got the money in when he was ahead and he had a reasonable plan for each street. This is fairly standard low-stakes play IMO.
Overbet was my first thought on the flop. And Postflopizer is a terrible solver!!!
The only thing I would have done different is bet smaller on flop. We have the overpair advantage and the sb range is capped. Furthermore, betting small decreases the impact of their check/raises. I think in live low-stakes games, at this spr, it's a comfortable shove on turn. If called, we still have equity. Plus, we maximize fold equity as most people at lower stakes have a tendency to overfold hands that are ahead of ours in this situation (like 88 or 99). Learning GTO strategy is essential for aspiring poker players; copying what a solver does is not. We should use GTO to recognize and capitalize on our opponents mistakes and tendencies. I think this situation is a great example. Thanks for the video!
I agree. Frequently and small on the flop. He's either folding or not. Makes the turn shove ( when we pick up equity) more effective
Why does the solver advocate for such small sizing if most of your equity comes from folds on a board that dry? Furthermore why would it NEVER advocate for jamming with a nut flush draw? Dosnt seem to factor in fold equity of opponent.
No gamble no future lol. Well played 🤷♂️
I used the icmizer A TON back in the day. For some reason it got broken, I couldn't use it anymore. It always said I had to update it, but I couldn't update it either. So I stopped using it. That was years ago.....
ICM does not apply to cash games.
@@_Coffee4Closers Yes, I know, genius. Where did I say it does?
@@chanceneck8072 Well if I mistook your comment sorry... chill. Just not sure why are mentioning an ICM solver in a thread about a Cash game hand then.
Nice hand! Thanks for sharing!
Cheers Daze!
Been more of the esoteric “feel” player than a math player for a long time. I’ll tell you this about live poker-
1. People don’t drive to the card room to fold.
2. People will call bets with absolutely no plan just to be stubborn.
3. Even players who seem like they understand what’s going on, occasionally will just short circuit.
4. Live players are muppets. Especially at 1/2.
5. He may not even be considering what you have or what your bet sizes or actions mean.
So in your mind youre thinking “well based on my range and his, he should probably fold just about everything here, he’s repped nothing…
In his mind it’s “screw this guy im not folding and I dont care. And if I pick up any kind of a draw I’m just going with it- to hell with it. He doesn’t always have it.
Live poker is vastly different than click poker. A whole new world of psychology opens up. You’re also dealing with players who should be playing .5 /.10 but they’re at 1-2 because that’s the lowest stakes offered, so the swings are absolutely bananas. It’s a different world out there.
That being said your play was fundamentally sound you just ran into a 1-2 muppet.
Say you checked back the turn like the solver suggests, villain binks the 10 and donks. What would you have done?
It's not a donk bet if there was no bet on the previous street.
8:12 Am I totally missing something or is what you're saying not matching at all with the graphics?
Hmm. 532, is obv a terrible flop for hero range. A nonstraddle SB typical range here tends to have lots of small pairs and broadways that are too squeamish to raise. But this is a straddle SB spot. Basically I never play the SB after a button straddle unless I have a *very* strong hand, and then I will raise-im guessing a rec player who decides to play this spot for a complete is gonna have lots of small pairs and small suited connectors. So I *never* want to c-bet this spot. Just see what develops on the turn. Either you pick up a big pair or a flush draw, or you check-fold.
The key to this analysis is how you decide to node-lock the SB. There is no GTO limping or “completing” in this spot-I don’t think it’s ever “correct” to call the straddle here, so you have to have some sense of the SB’s actual range and be CORRECT on your read of the villain to have any shot at a meaningful solve…
Hmm I don’t own a solver-maybe postflop-izer, if it is reasonably priced….
I think villain can have a very wide range based on splitsuits description of him. This will result in a lot of junk on this flop. He won't just have small pairs and small suited connectors but also a lot of Ax and Kx, suited and unsuited broadways, basically a lot of stuff that doesn't hit this flop. In fact I think splitsuit should have a huge range advantage on this flop and I like his play.
@@BigD751 mm OK. I think this is the sort of question that lends itself to population data if you can get ahold of it, and playing around with solvers if you own them trying different ranges for villain and seeing what pops out…
I think you forget that the solver likes to realize their equity by seeing the river and not gamble . You're gambling by shoving turn. No reason to lose a stack. That being said, I said to myself "all in" on the turn 🤷♂️
He is basically "indifferent" and can't lose anything long term in this spot... read my thoughts above in the thread, and let me know if you agree? His bet is a "semi-bluff" holding more than 36% equity (not including fold equity which adds to his over all equity) in a pot that he needs only 33% to be indifferent to a call. On top of that he wins to any fold, and beats any Ax his opponent got sticky with. Long Term he can never lose in this spot.
I don't think all-in is bad if you think that is what it will take to get villain to fold a small pair. You are still playing a draw, inducing a fold would be good for you. Given he called all-in on the turn your bet size didn't matter. I would use that info in exploitive plays vs this villain later. But in this hand... he hit one of his 6 outs. Don't be results oriented, you put your money in as a massive favorite. I have to say... The villain was overly optimistic to believe a Q high flush would be good here even if he hit it.
Ok I enjoy this analys however, you stated that you were playing live. These statistics of your opponent, such as his a O% on all ins. I am wondering if you have these memorized, and if not, are they just estimates. Do you really have all these stats in your head while you are playing live poker?
Not purely memorized, no. But with enough practice you can ballpark estimate things more easily in real-time
@@ThePokerBank When you talk you sound like a very intelligent and analytical player. I am going to try to start implementing statistics to my opponents too. Indeed it will be a huge challenge but it's definitely missing in my game. Thanks for the RUclips feed. I pretty much always like it.
@@EHenterprises You're very welcome, and it sounds like you know where to put your study effort =)
Why would you continue to bluff like this with queen high? It makes no sense. Especially with the pressure applied on the turn. Maybe looking for that flush. But that's a lot of chasing for sub optimal cards.
probably check turn in position see a river
Standard
Going all in with ace high on the turn has to be the right play. How could shipping it with ace high be a bad idea. You deserved to be punished.
Dude was a half wit. I hope you win it back later.
I think you played this perfectly. One thing not mentioned, and correct me if I am wrong here, is that you are basically using the principal of "indifference" with your all-in bet on the Turn. You are making roughly a "Pot Sized" bet... if Villain Calls, you will need 1/3rd equity (33.333%). You have 9 outs for the nut flush, plus 3 outs for the straight with any "4", and you likely win with any Ace or King for 6 more outs. This gives you 18 outs on the river for over 36% equity. Also, since you beat any hand your opponent might have gotten sticky with like AJ+, in addition to the fact that he will fold some of the time to your all-in bet, I think this is WAY +EV. Most definitely not a spew. In the "Long Term" you can never lose money here.
Thinking that a check back on flop or small sizing makes the most sense in the 1/2 streets. You have backdoor equity and two overs that will almost certainly be best hand if/when they hit. Opponent misses flop so much here and the potential runouts seem to favor you.
When you bet half pot you do still get good ace highs to call, but I'm not sure those types of hands call turn barrels too much more afterwards anyways. I'd rather try and delay my bets vs those hands on a medium value river bet. And if you're already behind you give yourself a free card on the turn to evaluate and go from there by checking. It just doesn't seem like the type of board we want to inflate the pot too large.
I have only one disagreement with the analysis, you said this opponent would fold 77s or something like that on the turn I don’t think so, he limped called 15BB then called flop, this tipe of C. Station wouldn’t fold a pair on the turn
first pause I check ( havent watched rest of video) I usually check my entire range heads up oop. oh you were in position then yeah I probably bet 25-30% pot
100% how I would have played it.
Just a different river card, right?
@@ThePokerBank definitely. I play to win.
Is this a repeat video?
Being that 1/2 is a fishy game, I don't think the all in move is a wise choice. A 3/4 pot works just as good, and the bluff on the river might have gotten through. And if you think they would have called anyway just check it through and lose the minimum.
This is a much better move at higher stakes.
Main thing I would have done differently is do not sit at 1/2 in orange city. They play anything and everything, you can't beat the rake and over all 1/2 just sucks 😂
Ad Qd vs. Qd 10d Runout: 5d 3h 2s Jd. You win 86.36 % Tie: 0%. Qd10d wins 13.64%. I mean... it's even better than pocket Aces vs. pocket Kings. Whether it's a spew more depends on your opponent's play style. It was just dumb luck on the river, which happens. Like Bart Hanson says, "You are not meant to win all of the time".
Sweeney, i applaud the click bait.
A c-bet and then a pot sized jam when you pick up a favorable turn card. How is this even interesting. Lame commercial for a solver.
Your turn jam screams Ax flush draw, likely with a pair. The SB call was the "spew" that happened to get lucky here.
I would've either checked or bet smaller on the turn, but might've faced a jam by the SB.
Your call at that point - likely a call and an unlucky runout. 😢
I lost with AK twice. Last one was a 4bet all in by me with AK hearts.omc called and 3 better. Omc had AA. Other guy had QQ.time to walk away.
Not a spew vrs that hand. Was actually value.😂
Honestly, I would probably just check behind on the flop. We're most certainly just get called by better hands. Don't get married to ace, king suited. You're still JUST playing ace high in that spot ...